June 2, 2024 • 18 mins
Mannix reacts to a Nick Ball's title-winning performance, Daniel Dubois's continued resurgence, the likely end of Deontay Wilder's career and more from Queensbury's clean sweep of Matchroom in the 5 vs. 5. #Volume #Herd
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This is boxing with.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Chris Manning O. Somebody punch him in the face.
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Here's Chris Mannix.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All right, well, welcome into a special edition of the podcast.
Let's call it the Podcast after Dark because it is
after four am, four thirty one am to be precise,
in Riad, Saudi Arabia, where I am recording this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
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One a night the Matchroom versus Queensberry five on five.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
There were a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Of expectations for this event coming in and I felt
they exceeded them. We had, you know, at least four
really competitive fights, nip and tuck fights that came down
to big moments or close score cards, and I just
thought the whole event was excellent. Second time in three
weeks we have had big cards in Saudi Arabia, and
(03:15):
for the second time in three.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Weeks, these cards have delivered.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So on this episode, I'm just going to talk a
little bit about the winners and losers from this Matchroom
versus Queensberry card. Obviously, Frank Warren is the big winner,
a clean sweep for Queensbury Promotions. They go five and
zero against the Matchroom Boxing fighters. Eddie Hearn of Matchroom
came in a lot of confidence that his guys were
(03:40):
going to get the job done.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And even though there were some good.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Performances, I thought Raymond Ford fought really well. I thought
Craig Richards at the end of his fight, you know,
put some shots together. Ultimately, this wasn't all Queensburg all
the time type of cards. So Frank Warren the big winner.
His promotional company gets the three million dollar bonus from
the Saudi government, so a little extra change in the
(04:05):
pocket of Frank Warren. But let's boil it down to
some of the fights and some of the fighters. I
think you can call every member of Team Queensbury a
winner from this show.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Willie Hutchinson.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So Willie Hutchinson, you know, was a guy that like
four or five fights earlier, had a knockout loss, and
you know, coming into this fight, I thought Willie Hutchinson
was a little bit too big for his bridges, like
he was talking down to Craig Richards. Craig Richards is no,
you know, pound for pound type of talent, but he
(04:42):
gave Dimitri Bevil all he could handle in a light
heavyweight title fight. He gave Joshua Bowatzi all he could
handle in a title eliminator. So the resume of Craig
Richards was a lot better than the resume of Willie
Hutchinson coming into that fight. But I thought Willy was
really good. He offensively, he landed a lot of power shots.
(05:07):
I'm not usually a fan of fighters switching stances as
often as Willy did, but he was really effective. Certainly
struggled at times in the second half of that fight.
I mean, he'd never been passed seven rounds before as professional,
and I thought he ran out of gas kind of
in the tenth and eleventh rounds of this fight, kind
(05:27):
of opening the door a little bit for Craig Richards
to give himself an opportunity to get a stoppage. But
he ultimately closed pretty strong and came away with a
wide unanimous decision. So now he is a player at
one seventy five. He is going to be someone to.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Watch in the light heavyweight division. Hams of Shiraz.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I didn't know too much about Hams of Shiraz coming
into this fight. I mean I watched his last fight
against Liam Williams, and he knocked him out in the
first round. But my takeaway from watching that fight was
that Liam Williams, after all these with uh you know,
Liam Smith and Dimitris Andreid and Chris Eubank, I just
thought he was shot born. I don't think that told
(06:09):
me much about what kind of prospect Hams of Shiraz is.
And even early in this fight against Amma Williams, yeah,
I thought he was kind of unimpressive. You know, the
second round he took a lot of shots, and I
thought Ammo had a decent chance of scoring a stoppage
in that fight. But Shiraz is a strong, strong guy.
(06:30):
He's a big guy. I mean he is six y
three officially he is won sixty but watching him in
the ring looked like he was like one eighty one
eighty five, just a big, big guy. It reminds me
of kind of what Zerdo Ramirez was like, you know,
at one seventy five rehydrating twenty plus pounds. I mean,
he's just he was massive in there, and his power
was real, Like he busted up Amma Williams. Amo had
(06:52):
some good moments, especially early in that fight. But yeah,
he took a sweeping right hook and got knocked down
late in the fight and then you know, just a
whole bunch of power shots that eventually led to the
stoppage in that fight. So Abshiraz, that fight was an
eliminator for the WBC Middleweight time. It's a belt currently
held by Carlos A Damas. I would love to see
(07:14):
a fight between Hamsa Shiraz and Carlos Adamas. I would
guess that Adamas doesn't want that fight right now. I'm
sure he's looking at unification fights janabek Uh, you know,
bigger fights. It might be out there for him at
one sixty. But if that fight happens, that's a great fight.
I came away from watching hams A Shiraz thinking he
was the real deal.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Nick Ball, big winner.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I thought nick Ball was going to win this fight
because I thought the pressure of nick Ball was going
to be problematic for Raymond Ford, especially since I didn't
believe that Ray was going to be the best fighter
he could be at that weight class. I mean, he
has talked a lot over the years about moving up
(08:00):
two one hundred and thirty pounds. He won his title
in his last fight, and I truly believe that if
it wasn't for the money that was on the table
in Saudi Arabia, he would not be fighting at one
twenty six. And look, that was a competitive fight. I
actually scored it for forward one to fifteen one thirteen.
Two judges disagreed they had at fifteen thirteen the other way,
one judge had the same card that I did a
(08:23):
very very competitive fight that I think when Ray looks back,
he will look at some of those early rounds that
he didn't deal well enough with the pressure of Nick
Ball that ultimately cost him the fight. And for Nick, look,
he could make an argument that he beat rave Argus
last time out, that he should be the unified champion
(08:44):
at one twenty six. Well, now he's got a real
belt and his fighting style is very television friendly. So look,
the one hundred and twenty six pound titles, a lot
of them are kind of us based. I guess Luis
Alberto Lopez, you could do a fight against Nick Ball.
I just think he is going to be in some
(09:04):
very fan friendly fights in the future. So great win
for nick Ball and good for him too, for you know,
he didn't get screwed against rave Argus, because I thought
he did give away the first six rounds of that fight,
but yeah, he closed strong. Can make an argument that
he won and now he walks away with his first
world title. So great performance by nick Ball. Now the heavyweights,
(09:25):
this is where this event got really interesting, and it
began with Danie Dubois against Philip Perkovich. You know, if
you just watched the first round, you would think that
Herkovic all day long, like the straight right hand from
Herkovic just couldn't miss on Dubois. And I just remember
(09:46):
sitting there thinking like, there's no way Dubois can take
this many right hands. But to Dubois's credit, he just
kept coming. He just kept moving forward and kept putting
the pressure on Hurgoviac. Even the rounds that he wasn't winning,
he was still landing enough shots to slow Herkovic down.
(10:07):
And this was the question I think coming in about
Hergoviac because a lot of people viewed him as one
of the boogeymen in the heavyweight division. I think he
was demystified to a degree by je Le Jeong in
their fight, you know, competitive fight. Herkovic got the decision
a few years ago. But yeah, I think I think
(10:30):
he still was viewed as, you know, one of the
best fighters in the heavyweight division, and he may still be.
But you know what Duoa did to him, pressuring him,
pushing him back, landing power shots.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That was a guy fighting with a boatload of confidence.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It was you know, the cut that Herkovic had to
deal with, of course, was a big problem for him
over the final few rounds of that fight. But this
is all about Danny Dubois and how he fought in
this fight. And look, you just you can look at records,
and you can look at highlight reel knockouts, but until
(11:10):
you see guys in with their contemporaries, with their peers,
you just.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Don't know what kind of fighter that they are.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And I think Philip Perkovitch can go on and potentially
win a heavyweight title. I think he still can bounce back,
but you know he's conditioning in the fight against Dua,
in the fight against Jang, We're not good it was
not good. You know, by the middle of that fight
against Duua, you wondered how Herkovic was going to make
it to the final bell. And you know, when the
doctors stopped it, I think they almost did Turkovic a
(11:42):
favor because I think at some point Dua would.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Have gotten to him and stopped him.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And you know, I talked to Duwa about this a
little bit in the ring, and man, it just feels
like we're looking at a fighter that has had three careers,
right like the first part of his career when he
was this promising prospect and he was knocking a bunch
of guys out and he thought he was the next
big thing in the heavyweight division. Then the Joe Joyce
(12:08):
fight happens and he gets accused of being a quitter.
Wrongfully accused, I believe, because he had a broken orbital
bone in his face, and as we've seen that that's
a real injury and guys don't recover from that. Then
he has the fight with Usik, and even though some
people would say the way he knocked Ousick down was clean,
(12:28):
he got knocked out at the end by a jab
and seemed to give up in that fight. But over
the last six months, du Way has really turned a corner.
He has reinvented himself. Digging deep to beat Drell Miller
back in December was impressive. Digging deep to beat Philip
Perkovic on Saturday was even more impressive. And now we're
(12:48):
talking about dan Dubois once again as being a contender
in the heavyweight division. Now he's got that interim version
of the IBF title. My hell on all this is
that at some point over the next few weeks you
are going to see the IBF upgrade Dubois into the
(13:11):
full champion. You know the I don't think the IBF
wanted to strip Alexander Usik right away, but the reality
is that mandatory fight was long overdue. And you know,
you can say what you want about these sanctioning bodies,
but the IBF does follow its rules, and I think
(13:32):
they're going to elevate Dubois. If they don't, the full
title is going to be on the line in September
when Anthony Joshua takes on Danie Dubois, because that seems
like the fight that's going to happen. Both these guys
are British, The Saudis want to do a big show
over in the UK. Wembley Stadium makes perfect sense. IBF
(13:53):
title on the line, DUI AJ big fight. I think
that's a no brain for September. And it's a no
brainer because in the main event we saw the end
of Deontay Wilder. You know, for the second straight fight,
(14:13):
Deontay Wilder could not let his hands go, specifically that
right hand fighting Jay Lee Jeong. You knew he was
probably going to be fighting more on the back foot
because Jong is a pressure, come forward fighter who has
that big left hand, and he got to be aware
of it. But again for the second straight fight, Wilder
(14:36):
just did not and was not willing to let that
right hand go. And if you're not willing to throw
your best weapon with the frequency and the accuracy that
you did during your heyday, you're not going to win
a lot of fights. And look it was I believe
what the fifth round when Jong landed that big shots
(15:00):
and Wilder all the way around. Then he followed it
up with a massive shot as well. I know Deontay
protests a little bit at the end about the stoppage,
but I think the referee in that moment saved Deontay
from a brutal knockout.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Because Jean was coming forward.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He is really heavy handed, and I think he would
have put in Deontay down and out. So good on
the referee for stopping that fight when he did. And look, Deontay,
he made it clear during this fight week that if
he didn't perform at the highest level in this fight,
it was over. He's in his late thirties at this point,
(15:35):
He's made a lot of money in his career, he's
happy living in Alabama, He's got seven kids. There's really
nothing left for him to do in the sport of
box again. Look, there will be plenty of time to
kind of dissect the career of Deontay Wilder, because that
one of those careers that kind of needs a full autopsy,
(15:56):
like you kind of really need to unpack it to
see the good, the bad, and the ugly. But for now,
I mean, I just want to focus on the kind
of fights Deontay gave us. I mean, he gave us
one of the best heavyweight trilogies that we will ever see.
He will go down as one of the heaviest handed
punchers in boxing history. He gave us electrifying moments in
(16:19):
the heavyweight division. Maybe he won't be remembered as an
all time great. He probably won't, but he left his
mark on the heavyweight division, There's no doubt about that,
and I do hope that he walks away. There was
some talk before this fight about Jared Anderson. That's obviously
off the table. There was certainly some talk about making
an AJ fight that certainly is off the table. I
(16:40):
just don't think Deontay has hasn't even left, and I
think some of that has to do with age, Some
of that has to do with his general ability, and
I think some of it has to do with the
wars he fought against Tyson Fury. I mean, we spent
time a couple of weeks ago talking about what the
Wilder fights took out of Fury. Well, how about what
the Fury fights took out a Deontay Wilder. It's left
(17:04):
him kind of a lesser version of his best self.
So hopefully Deontay calls it a career, enjoys his life,
and Joyce's family made his plenty of money. I don't
think it's all that expensive to live in Alabama, so
I think he's going to be able to enjoy the
rest of his life and move on and do other things.
But you know, good performance from Jang. I don't know
(17:24):
where he goes from here exactly. I guess you could
make a Parker rematch. You know, Joe Parker's looking for
a big fight, either in September or October of this year.
They were originally Pensylan to fight each other rematch anyway
before the Wilder deal came together. So that's a pretty
good fight in a rematch later in the year, and
if he wins that, I think in twenty twenty five,
(17:47):
we're talking about AJ against Jong in China.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, one of Eddie Hearn's dreams for years.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Because he worked with Joang for a long time, one
of his dreams was to make a fight in Beijing
a bird's nest, put like one hundred thousand fans or
whatever it is into that venue. I think Jeong has
made that a possibility once again. So if you can
find a way to beat Parker and no easy task.
Joseph Parker's having a good run, and if AJ can
keep having some success, that could be a massive fight
(18:15):
over there in two thousand and twenty five. So that's
it for the night. Great night, great show. Great fights,
great storylines that came out of it. Frank Warren wipes
the floor with Eddie Hearn in the first five on five.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't think it's going to be the last five
on five.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This team concept seems to have some legs and I
think we'll see it back in Saudi, in the UK,
maybe in the US. Talk of that too somewhere down
the line. But a great night for boxing, and certainly
a great night Frank Warren in Queensberry,
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This is boxing with.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Chris Manning O. Somebody punch him in the face.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Antony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Watch this everybodys how many way posted by SI's Chris Mannix.
That was my moments now with interviews, analysis and everything
going on in the world of boxing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
When you have talent, you are given another chance.
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Here's Chris Mannix.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All right, well, welcome into a special edition of the podcast.
Let's call it the Podcast after Dark because it is
after four am, four thirty one am to be precise,
in Riad, Saudi Arabia, where I am recording this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
If you're listening on the podcast feed, welcome.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We are also broadcasting this on YouTube, so if you
are not a subscriber to the YouTube page, get over
to the Chris Mannix page hit that subscribe button as well.
One a night the Matchroom versus Queensberry five on five.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
There were a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Of expectations for this event coming in and I felt
they exceeded them. We had, you know, at least four
really competitive fights, nip and tuck fights that came down
to big moments or close score cards, and I just
thought the whole event was excellent. Second time in three
weeks we have had big cards in Saudi Arabia, and
(03:15):
for the second time in three.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Weeks, these cards have delivered.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So on this episode, I'm just going to talk a
little bit about the winners and losers from this Matchroom
versus Queensberry card. Obviously, Frank Warren is the big winner,
a clean sweep for Queensbury Promotions. They go five and
zero against the Matchroom Boxing fighters. Eddie Hearn of Matchroom
came in a lot of confidence that his guys were
(03:40):
going to get the job done.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And even though there were some good.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Performances, I thought Raymond Ford fought really well. I thought
Craig Richards at the end of his fight, you know,
put some shots together. Ultimately, this wasn't all Queensburg all
the time type of cards. So Frank Warren the big winner.
His promotional company gets the three million dollar bonus from
the Saudi government, so a little extra change in the
(04:05):
pocket of Frank Warren. But let's boil it down to
some of the fights and some of the fighters. I
think you can call every member of Team Queensbury a
winner from this show.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Willie Hutchinson.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So Willie Hutchinson, you know, was a guy that like
four or five fights earlier, had a knockout loss, and
you know, coming into this fight, I thought Willie Hutchinson
was a little bit too big for his bridges, like
he was talking down to Craig Richards. Craig Richards is no,
you know, pound for pound type of talent, but he
(04:42):
gave Dimitri Bevil all he could handle in a light
heavyweight title fight. He gave Joshua Bowatzi all he could
handle in a title eliminator. So the resume of Craig
Richards was a lot better than the resume of Willie
Hutchinson coming into that fight. But I thought Willy was
really good. He offensively, he landed a lot of power shots.
(05:07):
I'm not usually a fan of fighters switching stances as
often as Willy did, but he was really effective. Certainly
struggled at times in the second half of that fight.
I mean, he'd never been passed seven rounds before as professional,
and I thought he ran out of gas kind of
in the tenth and eleventh rounds of this fight, kind
(05:27):
of opening the door a little bit for Craig Richards
to give himself an opportunity to get a stoppage. But
he ultimately closed pretty strong and came away with a
wide unanimous decision. So now he is a player at
one seventy five. He is going to be someone to.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Watch in the light heavyweight division. Hams of Shiraz.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I didn't know too much about Hams of Shiraz coming
into this fight. I mean I watched his last fight
against Liam Williams, and he knocked him out in the
first round. But my takeaway from watching that fight was
that Liam Williams, after all these with uh you know,
Liam Smith and Dimitris Andreid and Chris Eubank, I just
thought he was shot born. I don't think that told
(06:09):
me much about what kind of prospect Hams of Shiraz is.
And even early in this fight against Amma Williams, yeah,
I thought he was kind of unimpressive. You know, the
second round he took a lot of shots, and I
thought Ammo had a decent chance of scoring a stoppage
in that fight. But Shiraz is a strong, strong guy.
(06:30):
He's a big guy. I mean he is six y
three officially he is won sixty but watching him in
the ring looked like he was like one eighty one
eighty five, just a big, big guy. It reminds me
of kind of what Zerdo Ramirez was like, you know,
at one seventy five rehydrating twenty plus pounds. I mean,
he's just he was massive in there, and his power
was real, Like he busted up Amma Williams. Amo had
(06:52):
some good moments, especially early in that fight. But yeah,
he took a sweeping right hook and got knocked down
late in the fight and then you know, just a
whole bunch of power shots that eventually led to the
stoppage in that fight. So Abshiraz, that fight was an
eliminator for the WBC Middleweight time. It's a belt currently
held by Carlos A Damas. I would love to see
(07:14):
a fight between Hamsa Shiraz and Carlos Adamas. I would
guess that Adamas doesn't want that fight right now. I'm
sure he's looking at unification fights janabek Uh, you know,
bigger fights. It might be out there for him at
one sixty. But if that fight happens, that's a great fight.
I came away from watching hams A Shiraz thinking he
was the real deal.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Nick Ball, big winner.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I thought nick Ball was going to win this fight
because I thought the pressure of nick Ball was going
to be problematic for Raymond Ford, especially since I didn't
believe that Ray was going to be the best fighter
he could be at that weight class. I mean, he
has talked a lot over the years about moving up
(08:00):
two one hundred and thirty pounds. He won his title
in his last fight, and I truly believe that if
it wasn't for the money that was on the table
in Saudi Arabia, he would not be fighting at one
twenty six. And look, that was a competitive fight. I
actually scored it for forward one to fifteen one thirteen.
Two judges disagreed they had at fifteen thirteen the other way,
one judge had the same card that I did a
(08:23):
very very competitive fight that I think when Ray looks back,
he will look at some of those early rounds that
he didn't deal well enough with the pressure of Nick
Ball that ultimately cost him the fight. And for Nick, look,
he could make an argument that he beat rave Argus
last time out, that he should be the unified champion
(08:44):
at one twenty six. Well, now he's got a real
belt and his fighting style is very television friendly. So look,
the one hundred and twenty six pound titles, a lot
of them are kind of us based. I guess Luis
Alberto Lopez, you could do a fight against Nick Ball.
I just think he is going to be in some
(09:04):
very fan friendly fights in the future. So great win
for nick Ball and good for him too, for you know,
he didn't get screwed against rave Argus, because I thought
he did give away the first six rounds of that fight,
but yeah, he closed strong. Can make an argument that
he won and now he walks away with his first
world title. So great performance by nick Ball. Now the heavyweights,
(09:25):
this is where this event got really interesting, and it
began with Danie Dubois against Philip Perkovich. You know, if
you just watched the first round, you would think that
Herkovic all day long, like the straight right hand from
Herkovic just couldn't miss on Dubois. And I just remember
(09:46):
sitting there thinking like, there's no way Dubois can take
this many right hands. But to Dubois's credit, he just
kept coming. He just kept moving forward and kept putting
the pressure on Hurgoviac. Even the rounds that he wasn't winning,
he was still landing enough shots to slow Herkovic down.
(10:07):
And this was the question I think coming in about
Hergoviac because a lot of people viewed him as one
of the boogeymen in the heavyweight division. I think he
was demystified to a degree by je Le Jeong in
their fight, you know, competitive fight. Herkovic got the decision
a few years ago. But yeah, I think I think
(10:30):
he still was viewed as, you know, one of the
best fighters in the heavyweight division, and he may still be.
But you know what Duoa did to him, pressuring him,
pushing him back, landing power shots.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That was a guy fighting with a boatload of confidence.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It was you know, the cut that Herkovic had to
deal with, of course, was a big problem for him
over the final few rounds of that fight. But this
is all about Danny Dubois and how he fought in
this fight. And look, you just you can look at records,
and you can look at highlight reel knockouts, but until
(11:10):
you see guys in with their contemporaries, with their peers,
you just.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Don't know what kind of fighter that they are.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And I think Philip Perkovitch can go on and potentially
win a heavyweight title. I think he still can bounce back,
but you know he's conditioning in the fight against Dua,
in the fight against Jang, We're not good it was
not good. You know, by the middle of that fight
against Duua, you wondered how Herkovic was going to make
it to the final bell. And you know, when the
doctors stopped it, I think they almost did Turkovic a
(11:42):
favor because I think at some point Dua would.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Have gotten to him and stopped him.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And you know, I talked to Duwa about this a
little bit in the ring, and man, it just feels
like we're looking at a fighter that has had three careers,
right like the first part of his career when he
was this promising prospect and he was knocking a bunch
of guys out and he thought he was the next
big thing in the heavyweight division. Then the Joe Joyce
(12:08):
fight happens and he gets accused of being a quitter.
Wrongfully accused, I believe, because he had a broken orbital
bone in his face, and as we've seen that that's
a real injury and guys don't recover from that. Then
he has the fight with Usik, and even though some
people would say the way he knocked Ousick down was clean,
(12:28):
he got knocked out at the end by a jab
and seemed to give up in that fight. But over
the last six months, du Way has really turned a corner.
He has reinvented himself. Digging deep to beat Drell Miller
back in December was impressive. Digging deep to beat Philip
Perkovic on Saturday was even more impressive. And now we're
(12:48):
talking about dan Dubois once again as being a contender
in the heavyweight division. Now he's got that interim version
of the IBF title. My hell on all this is
that at some point over the next few weeks you
are going to see the IBF upgrade Dubois into the
(13:11):
full champion. You know the I don't think the IBF
wanted to strip Alexander Usik right away, but the reality
is that mandatory fight was long overdue. And you know,
you can say what you want about these sanctioning bodies,
but the IBF does follow its rules, and I think
(13:32):
they're going to elevate Dubois. If they don't, the full
title is going to be on the line in September
when Anthony Joshua takes on Danie Dubois, because that seems
like the fight that's going to happen. Both these guys
are British, The Saudis want to do a big show
over in the UK. Wembley Stadium makes perfect sense. IBF
(13:53):
title on the line, DUI AJ big fight. I think
that's a no brain for September. And it's a no
brainer because in the main event we saw the end
of Deontay Wilder. You know, for the second straight fight,
(14:13):
Deontay Wilder could not let his hands go, specifically that
right hand fighting Jay Lee Jeong. You knew he was
probably going to be fighting more on the back foot
because Jong is a pressure, come forward fighter who has
that big left hand, and he got to be aware
of it. But again for the second straight fight, Wilder
(14:36):
just did not and was not willing to let that
right hand go. And if you're not willing to throw
your best weapon with the frequency and the accuracy that
you did during your heyday, you're not going to win
a lot of fights. And look it was I believe
what the fifth round when Jong landed that big shots
(15:00):
and Wilder all the way around. Then he followed it
up with a massive shot as well. I know Deontay
protests a little bit at the end about the stoppage,
but I think the referee in that moment saved Deontay
from a brutal knockout.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Because Jean was coming forward.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He is really heavy handed, and I think he would
have put in Deontay down and out. So good on
the referee for stopping that fight when he did. And look, Deontay,
he made it clear during this fight week that if
he didn't perform at the highest level in this fight,
it was over. He's in his late thirties at this point,
(15:35):
He's made a lot of money in his career, he's
happy living in Alabama, He's got seven kids. There's really
nothing left for him to do in the sport of
box again. Look, there will be plenty of time to
kind of dissect the career of Deontay Wilder, because that
one of those careers that kind of needs a full autopsy,
(15:56):
like you kind of really need to unpack it to
see the good, the bad, and the ugly. But for now,
I mean, I just want to focus on the kind
of fights Deontay gave us. I mean, he gave us
one of the best heavyweight trilogies that we will ever see.
He will go down as one of the heaviest handed
punchers in boxing history. He gave us electrifying moments in
(16:19):
the heavyweight division. Maybe he won't be remembered as an
all time great. He probably won't, but he left his
mark on the heavyweight division, There's no doubt about that,
and I do hope that he walks away. There was
some talk before this fight about Jared Anderson. That's obviously
off the table. There was certainly some talk about making
an AJ fight that certainly is off the table. I
(16:40):
just don't think Deontay has hasn't even left, and I
think some of that has to do with age, Some
of that has to do with his general ability, and
I think some of it has to do with the
wars he fought against Tyson Fury. I mean, we spent
time a couple of weeks ago talking about what the
Wilder fights took out of Fury. Well, how about what
the Fury fights took out a Deontay Wilder. It's left
(17:04):
him kind of a lesser version of his best self.
So hopefully Deontay calls it a career, enjoys his life,
and Joyce's family made his plenty of money. I don't
think it's all that expensive to live in Alabama, so
I think he's going to be able to enjoy the
rest of his life and move on and do other things.
But you know, good performance from Jang. I don't know
(17:24):
where he goes from here exactly. I guess you could
make a Parker rematch. You know, Joe Parker's looking for
a big fight, either in September or October of this year.
They were originally Pensylan to fight each other rematch anyway
before the Wilder deal came together. So that's a pretty
good fight in a rematch later in the year, and
if he wins that, I think in twenty twenty five,
(17:47):
we're talking about AJ against Jong in China.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, one of Eddie Hearn's dreams for years.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Because he worked with Joang for a long time, one
of his dreams was to make a fight in Beijing
a bird's nest, put like one hundred thousand fans or
whatever it is into that venue. I think Jeong has
made that a possibility once again. So if you can
find a way to beat Parker and no easy task.
Joseph Parker's having a good run, and if AJ can
keep having some success, that could be a massive fight
(18:15):
over there in two thousand and twenty five. So that's
it for the night. Great night, great show. Great fights,
great storylines that came out of it. Frank Warren wipes
the floor with Eddie Hearn in the first five on five.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't think it's going to be the last five
on five.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This team concept seems to have some legs and I
think we'll see it back in Saudi, in the UK,
maybe in the US. Talk of that too somewhere down
the line. But a great night for boxing, and certainly
a great night Frank Warren in Queensberry,
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