May 5, 2024 • 23 mins
Mannix and Sergio Mora discuss Canelo Alvarez's decision win over Jaime Munguia and what's next for both fighters. (5:30) #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 3 (02:13):
All right.
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So we go almost all weekend without getting into a fight,
and you in the car ride to the airport nearly
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Speaker 3 (02:26):
Was that necessary?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
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I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of the Raiders.
I grew up in Los Angeles around too many Raider fans,
and I never met one that I would want to
watch a.
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Football game with.
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Speaker 2 (02:47):
All right, Sergio Mora is here. We are sitting in
the airport in Las Vegas. Our flight was delayed, so
we're just gonna knock this out right here and right now.
Canelo Alvarez continues his reign as the undisputed super middleweight champion,
defeating Jimi Mgia by unanimous decision. You know, a lot
to unpack here, Sergio, but let's start with the performance
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of Canelo. I think everybody wondered coming in, what version
of Canelo were we going to get. Would we get
the all time great that kind of stormed his way
through multiple divisions between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one.
Would we get the somewhat diminished version that we've seen
over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
What did you think of what you saw from Canelo?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well, he's still a top fighter. He still is a
very dangerous fighter. But if you notice, you know, at
one sixty eight he's a small super middleweight. Himim McGill
was way bigger than him, way bigger than him. So
David Benavitez is going to be way bigger than him too.
So he hasn't knocked anyone out in what the past
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five fights, six fights, I've gone, you not since.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The Caleb Plant fight in and leave Endo twenty to.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Twenty one, and that's been like five fight to go.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And he did that in the eleventh round, so he
was he was having his hands full there too. So
what what I thought of his performance was, of course
Canelos still a top, top fighter. I think he took
his foot off the gas though. I think he could
have stopped Mungia. I think he could have stopped Mungia.
I'm not saying he carried him. I'm just saying he
was in there with a big, strong fighter that he
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had to respect. But when he had him down with
that uppercut, he I think he could have closed the show.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Let's address that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, the uppercut, I don't think he could have stopped him.
I thought Mongia recovered enough to continue on. It was
in the twelfth round that Canelo landed. I think it
was a big left hook that wobbled Mungie, and I
thought Canelo kind of let it go. I thought Canelo
made a decision in that moment. You know, so you
know what this guy's going to see the final belt.
You know, Bud Crawford is one that tweeted out Canelo
carried him. I don't agree with that, but I do
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think there was a moment of the twelfth where Canelo
could have finished him and he decided not to know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Not only that, but there was moments where he hit
Mugia to the body and and uh, Mungia didn't he
didn't really act like, uh like it Like he didn't
react like I'm gonna go for the kill Canelo like
he normally does. He's a vicious body puncher. He didn't
go enough to the body. Personally, I think Canelo, uh,
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you know, he had, like I said, he had to
respect Mungia and his and his trainer Eddie Reinols in
the corner even in the final round, was telling you know,
you gotta be careful with this kid. You got. You
gotta be careful, you know, don't go for it. So
I think it was not that he carried him, but
it was planned not to take too many chances because
they had to respect Mungia's size. He was way bigger,
way stronger. And uh, I gotta give you credit, Chris
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Mannix Canelo has the better chin.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Where do you think this fight got away from Mungia?
Because if you look at the first three rounds, I
thought Mungia came out with an excellent game plan. He
knew the jab was going to be an important weapon.
He was throwing it at a really high rate. I
thought he won two of the first three rounds and
was in the fight right up until that knockdown. Where
did things kind of go wrong from Mungia?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
It was before or the knockdown he was it was
already it was already going in another direction because Mungia.
And I think I said this on telecast, haven't I
haven't watched The Bad Book. You are what you are.
You're gonna You're gonna go back to what you are.
Mongia is a fighter, you know. He he tried implementing
a great game plan that Freddy roach Uh told him
to follow and he did that for three rounds. But
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as soon as anything starts going wrong, the going gets
tough or or whatever, he the old Mugia comes back.
That's why whatever trainer he has is not gonna change
him for twelve rounds. They're gonna, they're gonna, They're gonna
change him.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
For half a fight.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And then once he got knocked out, knocked down, I'm sorry.
That's when you know, Mungia had to he had to
resort to who he was, and just his size and
his youth got him past the danger zone.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
But yeah, he's gonna be who he is.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Still an exciting fighter, and I think his his stock rose,
I mean stock rose with his performance.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
No, I agree with that completely.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I thought after that knockdown the four round that he
was lunch meet. I mean, you and I had been
arguing all week long about who had the better chin.
When he got knocked down, I pulled out my laptop
and typed in all caps chin across there so you
could see it while while the fight was going on,
and while Mogia was getting up. But to his credit,
he got up and he took some pretty hillacious shots.
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You look at some of the copybox numbers. I mean,
Canello's accuracy was incredible. He was plus forty percent in
terms of overall connects, plus fifty around fifty percent when
it comes to power punches, and then you know in
the twelfth round, like he just landed some big shots.
I mean, I give him Gie a credit, like I've
seen him hurt by so many lesser punchers, you know,
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coming into this fight. To see him stand up for
twelve rounds against Canelo, that was pretty impressive to me.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, and I think he made a lot of fans.
And if you notice when they announced them, he had equally,
if not more cheers than Canelo, you know, and I
told you that was gonna happen. I mean, he had
a lot of fans. There just two different sides of Mexico,
two different fan bases in Tijuana and Gualalajara, and they
showed up. I mean it was an incredible atmosphere and Mungia,
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you got to give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think I think you know, whoever he fights next,
he's still going to be a draw, and he's still
going to be someone that people want to watch. Because
that was that was a hell of a performance on
his part, and I would love to see him in
with a fighter like I would like to see him
with Berlanga. If Berlanga really wants that Canelo fight, I
would think he.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Needs to earn it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I know that's a strong word earn, but you earn
it by fighting a guy like Jaime Mugia.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No before we get to what's next for both guys,
you know, on the subject of what Canelo is right now,
this was probably the first fight that I've watched where
I've left it thinking David Benavitez beats Canelo, because even
when Canelo wasn't knocking guys out over the previous four fights,
I still pushed back on the notion that Benavidez was
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too big, too strong, through too many punches, because it's
one thing to throw a lot of punches when you're
facing lesser punchers. It's another thing to throw a lot
of punches when you have one of the biggest punches
of the division standing across from you. But watching Jimi
Mangia kind of fearlessly go in at times and throw combinations,
it's made me think, like, if Benavitez was throwing those punches.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Oh no, you're thinking this.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
How you're saying this.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Do you remember an episode of JABS when we had
that that that topic about David Benavitez and you were like, no,
you know, Canelo still beats something. I agree, And I
told you Benavitez beats Canelo back then.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
How long ago was that episode on JABS? What I
eight months ago? A year? Yeah, probably a year ago.
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I told you this, David Benavitez beats Canelo. And I
think now people are starting to realize that Canelo is fallible.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
You know, he is hit able.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He you know, he's not as He's not that volume
puncher that he that he used to be. He didn't
go for the kill. He's not knocking guys out of
one sixty eight. Benavidez is a natural one sixty eight pounder.
I can go on and on and on, and that's
not even talking about the speed, the power, the size
that Benavitez brings to the table, the meanness, the grid
everything and the fan base. Benevide is a popular fighter.
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That's the reason I think anytime Benavitez his name comes up, Canelo,
you know he little brothers him, you know, he little
bros him because he knows that that's gonna be the
ultimate test and one that I don't think he passes.
And I think he he will take a calculated risk
and he ever does fight him, and that by calculator,
I mean a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
It will take a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And look he at the postfight press conference, I saw
some quotes floating around where Canelo said two hundred million
when it comes to fighting David Benavitez. And look, we
both know when Canello says something like that, he's effectively
speaking to an audience of one.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
He's speaking to his excellency Turkey Ala chic.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Over in Saudi Arabia, and he's sending a message through
the press that hey, if you want to make this
fight happen.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here's the cost of doing business.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'll fight this guy, but I'm fighting it for a
master amount, which, by the way, is just taking a
page out of the Floyd Mayweather playbook. I mean, Floyd
put off that Manipachio fight for years and ultimately it
turned out to be the smart business move from Floyd
because he made like five hundred million dollars or whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It was that he walked away with.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So Canelo is doing exactly what Floyd did towards the
tail end of Floyd's career. But that kind of offer
is not going to be on the table in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
People need to.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Put out of their minds the idea that Canelo was
gonna fight Benavidez this year. Benavidez is fighting on June
fifteenth at light heavyweight. I think there's going to be
talk about Benavidez fighting the winner of Dmitri Beevil against
Archer Betterbiev whenever that fight gets rescheduled. So I think
it's in the mid of two twenty five at the
earliest before we can actually realistically talk about Canelo against
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David Benavidez. So Canelo's got to fight somebody in September,
right and right now, whether people like it or not.
The two front runners are Edgar Berlanga and Jamal Charles.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Edgar Berlanga was in Vegas week long.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
In every interview that he did, he said, Hey, I'm
fighting Kielo next. He told me right here on this
podcast that there was a ninety nine point nine percent
chance that he was gonna fight Canelo in September. Now,
Jamal Charlo, I didn't see him in Vegas, but he's
been saying a lot of the same things. What do
you think about those two potential matchups.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't think Berlanga deserves that fight yet. I don't
think uh, I don't think he beats him. I think
he brings a lot of power to the table. I
think you know they can market it, well, it's Puerto
Rico versus Mexico.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I just you know, as a fighter, you you have
to earn that spot. You have to earn that spot,
and I think Berlanga hasn't earned it. Mungia earned it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That Derevin Chenkill fight is the one that you know,
I think he earned it that the John Ryder fight
is where I think he earned it. Berlanga needs to
have one of those fights. He needs to have one
of those fights where people say, you know what, throw
that kid a bone. You know, he showed some grit,
he shows some some some uh some courage and now
he can, you know, cash out because Canelo Canel is
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a cat and behind.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Mugia Blank has got too young to cash out.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, and Munghia they maneuvered him. They maneuvered Mungia really
really well to this point. So credit to.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Oscar de la Joya Goldenberg Promotions. They did a hell
of a job getting Mungia to this point, and Mungia
credit to him for, you know, just putting on a
really really courageous performance, hold on, hold on, hold on
a courageous performance, something that I think Berlango won't be
able to do just yet.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't disagree with that, but you know, the CAD's
got to fight somebody, right, Cadl's got to fight somebody,
and it's not gonna be bit of Vidaz.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
It's not gonna be David Morel.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Both those guys and I headed to one seventy five,
both those guys that fight scheduled over the next couple
of months.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Who's it going to be?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Who?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Who?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I agree with you Berlanga doesn't necessarily deserve it, But
I don't think Jamal Charlie deserves it either.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
He hasn't done anything to, you know, earn that type
of fight. Who's it going to be? Who is the
best option out there?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Wait a minute, Charlo was a champion. Charlo was uh,
you know, he was a champion. He's a well known name.
He was a power puncher. I mean, yeah, he's had
his issues, but.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
He was still activity has plagued him.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
That was one years.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
That was one of his issues. But uh, he didn't
deserve it. I don't think he deserved it either, but
you know he got it just you know, Ben, excuse me, Bernagia.
He's not on the championship level yet. He doesn't even
have a solid champion you know that he's fought yet,
he's climbing there. He's getting there. I think you know,
his last his last performance, he showed that. You know,
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he's still he's still a big dog. He has a
big punch. But that Coca's performance, that one's the one
was like, oh man, you're not ready yet.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Not yet, kid. So you're asking me who.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I think Canelo should fight next, It's probably going to
be a former former champion type. You know, it's not
gonna be a champion. And at one sixty eight, I mean,
go down the list, throw some names at me.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
He's beaten all the former champions, the former champions because
he beat them.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He's not gonna fight Caleb Plant again. No, I don't
even know who else. I look here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The reality is whether we like it or not. Edgar
Berlang is the front runner right now. Edgar Berlanga can
sell a fight Mexico, Puerto Rico. He's obviously gonna be
flamboyant during the press tour.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
He's undefeated.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Uh nominally, he is Canelo's WBA mandatory challenger. We can
scoff at that all we want, I do it all
the time. But he is in that number one position
for one of the belts that Canelo holds. It's an
easy fight to make, you know. Berlanga's team is not
going to hold him up for a ton of money.
In terms of marketability, it's the most marketable fight available
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right now for Canelo alvars I don't think a Charlo
fight is marketable anymore. I think you in the aftermath
of how Jermel fought, I don't think you can sell
the public properly on a drmal fight. And look you
got your phone out now, look it up and down? Yeah,
pound division right now.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah. You know you make a good point there, Becau
because all these kids, and I call him kids because
they're they're they're ten and oh and Billy Ta ten
and O. David Morrell. No, it's not gonna happen. You know,
Christian and Billy know he's not gonna happen. Basinian, it's
not gonna happen, and he almost lost. Chishkin is not
gonna happen. Pacheco's way too young and doesn't deserve it
just yet either.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
So yeah, you know what, man, you might have a point.
You might have a point here. I don't propose next.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I just don't think that. I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's it's it's kind of what we're left with at
this point. Berlanga is going to be blank is the
front runner unless something changes. Like even at one sixty Sergio,
who is there at one sixty for him to fight?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I mean, he's not. There's not a lot of great
options out there for Canella, while for us I think
Edgar Berlanga.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, granted, things could change, maybe he decides to dare
to be great and do something different, but I think
it's September.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I got a name for you. That's who Canela fights next.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I could see that, I could see that maybe he
wants to do something over in the UK, But in
terms of US fights, Berlanga is kind of the guy
that's that that's out there so I think Berlanka, Jimi Mungia.
Your thoughts on who he could fight, well, I mean
like he's gonna come back again.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
His stock I think went up after.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That exactly who he fights that okay, Kayleb Plant, I
love that fight.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Kayleb Plant, I love that fight.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Caleb Plant, love him or hate him, he always puts
on a hell of a fight. He's a he's a
boxer before a puncher. Mungia is a puncher before a boxer. Stylistically,
it makes sense. I think he'll be a hell of
a fight, a winnable fight for Kayleb Plant. And it's
a type of fight where Mungia would have to show
more than just a great and physical uh uh you know, combinations.
He would have to be as smart as well. That'ld
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be a hell of fight.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Yeah, hen't even a Plant.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I don't think it happens next because I think both.
I think Kayla Plants already said publicly he's headed towards
some kind of tune up fight after a long layoff,
And I think you give Jimi McGee a one fight
to get his legs back under him, get a win.
But both these guys get wins in twenty twenty four.
That is a great fight to make at the start
twenty twenty five. And look, I think Kayleb Plant could
out box Mugia. I think Bungia could stop KAELB.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Plant.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, I think both those things are happening. That is,
to me is a coin flip type.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I I'll throw you another name, Diego Pacheco. Diego Pacheco, Mungia.
You know, I think that that'll be a big step
for Pacheco. But if Pacheco beats him, we have a
new star, a new Mexican star, one sixty eight. So
either either Kayleb Plant or Diego Pacheco.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
For me, yeah, I think Pacheco might be a year
or two away from that type of level.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He's not on the way no name, but he's not
a name yet.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
No, oh, he's not a name. Yeah, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But he has a skill and I think he beats Mugia.
I think Diego Pacheco beats Mugia right now.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
It's a great as far as far as the name
and marketabillity.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yes, you make a good point, but Diggle Pacheco, I
think beats this, this version of Mugia. It's it'll be
an amazing fight.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Last thing for you, because people that are listening to
this show are probably going to be waking up early
Monday morning to watch the no in a Way versus
Louis near one hundred and twenty two pound fight. You
called Neari's last fight, that incredible fight against Osladhovenisian fight
of the year, you know, per some people top three
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for sure in terms of exciting.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We haven't seen anyone able to hang within a way
at any weight class at this point. He has just
been a force over the last couple of years, has
become undisputed into weight divisions. Do you think Louis Neary
can give in a Way problems on Monday problems?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes, But I don't think he beats him. I think
ultimately he gets stopped. It's gonna it's gonna be an
incredible fight. I'm I'm I'm pulling for him. But I
think the the jan is gonna have back to back
you know, Uh, they're gonna come up short like Mungia
came up short yesterday. I think Louis uh Nettie comes
out short tomorrow. But I think he puts up a
good fight. I think he might even he might give
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in his best fight, one of his best fights.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
He's that good.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's gonna be a great fight, and I can't wait.
It's tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Right, It's Monday morning in the US.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Tomorrow morning, and I'm excited for that fighter. I think
Nettie is a special fighter, a very special fighter. I
love that fight with Hovanissin everything I saw of Louis Netti,
He's just a beautiful boxer. He's a new school Mexican boxer, puncher.
He's not that typical Mexican style. This kid has what
it takes to give in a way, one of the
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best fighters in the world. Everything can handle. He just
can't beat him yet. He can compete, but he can't
beat the monster in Japan.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I don't know who can, at least not at one
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Let me tell you something I thought that I thought
something that was interesting was asked of Tank Davis on
Saturday at his press availability. Somebody asked him if he
would drop to one thirty to fight in a way,
and Tank and I believe Leonard Ellerby from Mayweather Promotions both.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Said that he would.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I had thought in a way versus Tank was kind
of pie in the sky, just too far apart in
terms of way, but in a way is probably one
or two fights away from moving up to one twenty six.
If Tank's willing to go to one thirty. He has
been a one thirty in a while a lot of
trouble making that way. But if he can make one thirty,
would you advise in a way to move up to
take that fight?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, yes, because he has ah, he has a faster
feet and faster punches, and and Tank is a very
short fighter, so height's not gonna be a problem. I
think that's a winnable fight for for in a way,
it will be an explosive fight that probably won't last
two rounds or three rounds. But yes, absolutely, because he
has the right, he right, the right intangibles to probably
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beat a fighter light Tank. I mean, we haven't you like.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
That right now?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Favorite in a way against anyone, I think he's that
much of a beast. He's an all time great. He's
an all time great, and an all time great puncher.
Tank's a heavy puncher. He's a wicked, wicked punch away
from that southball stance, but not not as explosive in
always more explosive than Tank when it comes to combinations,
and there's more speed behind him, more in always more
of a many pockyeaut type power, aggressive exactly and with
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speed and explosiveness. Tank, on the other hand, he's still
explosive monster. He's a monster monster. But it's it's not
with fol well, it is with foot work.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
He's got good footwork.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah, no, it is with full work. It's just different.
It's just two different styles of boxing.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But yes, I think in a way it's a winnable
fight from where where if he can land a punch,
you know Tank, we're gonna see, have to see Tank
got face adversity.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's a super fight.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I kind of dismissed the idea of that because I
never believe Tank would go back to one thirty and frankly,
I'm still not sure he can make one thirty again.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I mean, he he.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Had a lot of problems getting down in weight in
the past. He seems to have settled in nicely at
one thirty five, and like if he got to one thirty, Sergio,
he'd probably be drained at that weight, whereas in a
way coming up would be stronger, fresher, maybe a little
heavy than he's used to being. But you know, taking
one thirty, we have to cut a lot of weight down.
That'd be a tall task for him. We've seen in
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recent fights if you kill yourself to make weight, you
leave something out of the ring. It cost you something
on that but hell, i'd love to see that fight.
I look to put a button on it. I think
in a way knocks out near I think the shots
that Neary was hit with against Tobnsian are gonna be
a lot worse if he gets hit with the same
stuff by In a way, I think it's compared. It
have been fun for a while, But fifth or sixth round,
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I think he gets hit with a combination and it's
lights out for Luis Neary. But great event Monday. I
think that's on ESPN Plus in the US. Check that
out Monday morning, Sergio. Try not to get into a
fight on the plane.
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I don't like the Raiders play my theme music on
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Speaker 2 (02:01):
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Speaker 3 (02:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So we go almost all weekend without getting into a fight,
and you in the car ride to the airport nearly
get into a scrap with the Uber Driver.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Was that necessary?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I hate Raider fans.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of the Raiders.
I grew up in Los Angeles around too many Raider fans,
and I never met one that I would want to
watch a.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Football game with.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And he was a big Raider fan, and we were
talking about Allegiance Stadium, and I just had to let
him know how I feel hates the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
All right, Sergio Mora is here. We are sitting in
the airport in Las Vegas. Our flight was delayed, so
we're just gonna knock this out right here and right now.
Canelo Alvarez continues his reign as the undisputed super middleweight champion,
defeating Jimi Mgia by unanimous decision. You know, a lot
to unpack here, Sergio, but let's start with the performance
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of Canelo. I think everybody wondered coming in, what version
of Canelo were we going to get. Would we get
the all time great that kind of stormed his way
through multiple divisions between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one.
Would we get the somewhat diminished version that we've seen
over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
What did you think of what you saw from Canelo?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well, he's still a top fighter. He still is a
very dangerous fighter. But if you notice, you know, at
one sixty eight he's a small super middleweight. Himim McGill
was way bigger than him, way bigger than him. So
David Benavitez is going to be way bigger than him too.
So he hasn't knocked anyone out in what the past
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five fights, six fights, I've gone, you not since.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The Caleb Plant fight in and leave Endo twenty to.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Twenty one, and that's been like five fight to go.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And he did that in the eleventh round, so he
was he was having his hands full there too. So
what what I thought of his performance was, of course
Canelos still a top, top fighter. I think he took
his foot off the gas though. I think he could
have stopped Mungia. I think he could have stopped Mungia.
I'm not saying he carried him. I'm just saying he
was in there with a big, strong fighter that he
(04:22):
had to respect. But when he had him down with
that uppercut, he I think he could have closed the show.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Let's address that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, the uppercut, I don't think he could have stopped him.
I thought Mongia recovered enough to continue on. It was
in the twelfth round that Canelo landed. I think it
was a big left hook that wobbled Mungie, and I
thought Canelo kind of let it go. I thought Canelo
made a decision in that moment. You know, so you
know what this guy's going to see the final belt.
You know, Bud Crawford is one that tweeted out Canelo
carried him. I don't agree with that, but I do
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think there was a moment of the twelfth where Canelo
could have finished him and he decided not to know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Not only that, but there was moments where he hit
Mugia to the body and and uh, Mungia didn't he
didn't really act like, uh like it Like he didn't
react like I'm gonna go for the kill Canelo like
he normally does. He's a vicious body puncher. He didn't
go enough to the body. Personally, I think Canelo, uh,
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you know, he had, like I said, he had to
respect Mungia and his and his trainer Eddie Reinols in
the corner even in the final round, was telling you know,
you gotta be careful with this kid. You got. You
gotta be careful, you know, don't go for it. So
I think it was not that he carried him, but
it was planned not to take too many chances because
they had to respect Mungia's size. He was way bigger,
way stronger. And uh, I gotta give you credit, Chris
(05:35):
Mannix Canelo has the better chin.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Where do you think this fight got away from Mungia?
Because if you look at the first three rounds, I
thought Mungia came out with an excellent game plan. He
knew the jab was going to be an important weapon.
He was throwing it at a really high rate. I
thought he won two of the first three rounds and
was in the fight right up until that knockdown. Where
did things kind of go wrong from Mungia?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
It was before or the knockdown he was it was
already it was already going in another direction because Mungia.
And I think I said this on telecast, haven't I
haven't watched The Bad Book. You are what you are.
You're gonna You're gonna go back to what you are.
Mongia is a fighter, you know. He he tried implementing
a great game plan that Freddy roach Uh told him
to follow and he did that for three rounds. But
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as soon as anything starts going wrong, the going gets
tough or or whatever, he the old Mugia comes back.
That's why whatever trainer he has is not gonna change
him for twelve rounds. They're gonna, they're gonna, They're gonna
change him.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
For half a fight.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And then once he got knocked out, knocked down, I'm sorry.
That's when you know, Mungia had to he had to
resort to who he was, and just his size and
his youth got him past the danger zone.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
But yeah, he's gonna be who he is.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Still an exciting fighter, and I think his his stock rose,
I mean stock rose with his performance.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
No, I agree with that completely.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I thought after that knockdown the four round that he
was lunch meet. I mean, you and I had been
arguing all week long about who had the better chin.
When he got knocked down, I pulled out my laptop
and typed in all caps chin across there so you
could see it while while the fight was going on,
and while Mogia was getting up. But to his credit,
he got up and he took some pretty hillacious shots.
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You look at some of the copybox numbers. I mean,
Canello's accuracy was incredible. He was plus forty percent in
terms of overall connects, plus fifty around fifty percent when
it comes to power punches, and then you know in
the twelfth round, like he just landed some big shots.
I mean, I give him Gie a credit, like I've
seen him hurt by so many lesser punchers, you know,
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coming into this fight. To see him stand up for
twelve rounds against Canelo, that was pretty impressive to me.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, and I think he made a lot of fans.
And if you notice when they announced them, he had equally,
if not more cheers than Canelo, you know, and I
told you that was gonna happen. I mean, he had
a lot of fans. There just two different sides of Mexico,
two different fan bases in Tijuana and Gualalajara, and they
showed up. I mean it was an incredible atmosphere and Mungia,
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you got to give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think I think you know, whoever he fights next,
he's still going to be a draw, and he's still
going to be someone that people want to watch. Because
that was that was a hell of a performance on
his part, and I would love to see him in
with a fighter like I would like to see him
with Berlanga. If Berlanga really wants that Canelo fight, I
would think he.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Needs to earn it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I know that's a strong word earn, but you earn
it by fighting a guy like Jaime Mugia.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No before we get to what's next for both guys,
you know, on the subject of what Canelo is right now,
this was probably the first fight that I've watched where
I've left it thinking David Benavitez beats Canelo, because even
when Canelo wasn't knocking guys out over the previous four fights,
I still pushed back on the notion that Benavidez was
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too big, too strong, through too many punches, because it's
one thing to throw a lot of punches when you're
facing lesser punchers. It's another thing to throw a lot
of punches when you have one of the biggest punches
of the division standing across from you. But watching Jimi
Mangia kind of fearlessly go in at times and throw combinations,
it's made me think, like, if Benavitez was throwing those punches.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Oh no, you're thinking this.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
How you're saying this.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Do you remember an episode of JABS when we had
that that that topic about David Benavitez and you were like, no,
you know, Canelo still beats something. I agree, And I
told you Benavitez beats Canelo back then.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
How long ago was that episode on JABS? What I
eight months ago? A year? Yeah, probably a year ago.
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I told you this, David Benavitez beats Canelo. And I
think now people are starting to realize that Canelo is fallible.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
You know, he is hit able.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He you know, he's not as He's not that volume
puncher that he that he used to be. He didn't
go for the kill. He's not knocking guys out of
one sixty eight. Benavidez is a natural one sixty eight pounder.
I can go on and on and on, and that's
not even talking about the speed, the power, the size
that Benavitez brings to the table, the meanness, the grid
everything and the fan base. Benevide is a popular fighter.
(10:09):
That's the reason I think anytime Benavitez his name comes up, Canelo,
you know he little brothers him, you know, he little
bros him because he knows that that's gonna be the
ultimate test and one that I don't think he passes.
And I think he he will take a calculated risk
and he ever does fight him, and that by calculator,
I mean a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
It will take a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And look he at the postfight press conference, I saw
some quotes floating around where Canelo said two hundred million
when it comes to fighting David Benavitez. And look, we
both know when Canello says something like that, he's effectively
speaking to an audience of one.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
He's speaking to his excellency Turkey Ala chic.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Over in Saudi Arabia, and he's sending a message through
the press that hey, if you want to make this
fight happen.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here's the cost of doing business.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'll fight this guy, but I'm fighting it for a
master amount, which, by the way, is just taking a
page out of the Floyd Mayweather playbook. I mean, Floyd
put off that Manipachio fight for years and ultimately it
turned out to be the smart business move from Floyd
because he made like five hundred million dollars or whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It was that he walked away with.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So Canelo is doing exactly what Floyd did towards the
tail end of Floyd's career. But that kind of offer
is not going to be on the table in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
People need to.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Put out of their minds the idea that Canelo was
gonna fight Benavidez this year. Benavidez is fighting on June
fifteenth at light heavyweight. I think there's going to be
talk about Benavidez fighting the winner of Dmitri Beevil against
Archer Betterbiev whenever that fight gets rescheduled. So I think
it's in the mid of two twenty five at the
earliest before we can actually realistically talk about Canelo against
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David Benavidez. So Canelo's got to fight somebody in September,
right and right now, whether people like it or not.
The two front runners are Edgar Berlanga and Jamal Charles.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Edgar Berlanga was in Vegas week long.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
In every interview that he did, he said, Hey, I'm
fighting Kielo next. He told me right here on this
podcast that there was a ninety nine point nine percent
chance that he was gonna fight Canelo in September. Now,
Jamal Charlo, I didn't see him in Vegas, but he's
been saying a lot of the same things. What do
you think about those two potential matchups.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't think Berlanga deserves that fight yet. I don't
think uh, I don't think he beats him. I think
he brings a lot of power to the table. I
think you know they can market it, well, it's Puerto
Rico versus Mexico.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I just you know, as a fighter, you you have
to earn that spot. You have to earn that spot,
and I think Berlanga hasn't earned it. Mungia earned it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That Derevin Chenkill fight is the one that you know,
I think he earned it that the John Ryder fight
is where I think he earned it. Berlanga needs to
have one of those fights. He needs to have one
of those fights where people say, you know what, throw
that kid a bone. You know, he showed some grit,
he shows some some some uh some courage and now
he can, you know, cash out because Canelo Canel is
(12:59):
a cat and behind.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Mugia Blank has got too young to cash out.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, and Munghia they maneuvered him. They maneuvered Mungia really
really well to this point. So credit to.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Oscar de la Joya Goldenberg Promotions. They did a hell
of a job getting Mungia to this point, and Mungia
credit to him for, you know, just putting on a
really really courageous performance, hold on, hold on, hold on
a courageous performance, something that I think Berlango won't be
able to do just yet.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't disagree with that, but you know, the CAD's
got to fight somebody, right, Cadl's got to fight somebody,
and it's not gonna be bit of Vidaz.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
It's not gonna be David Morel.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Both those guys and I headed to one seventy five,
both those guys that fight scheduled over the next couple
of months.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Who's it going to be?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Who?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Who?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I agree with you Berlanga doesn't necessarily deserve it, But
I don't think Jamal Charlie deserves it either.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
He hasn't done anything to, you know, earn that type
of fight. Who's it going to be? Who is the
best option out there?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Wait a minute, Charlo was a champion. Charlo was uh,
you know, he was a champion. He's a well known name.
He was a power puncher. I mean, yeah, he's had
his issues, but.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
He was still activity has plagued him.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
That was one years.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
That was one of his issues. But uh, he didn't
deserve it. I don't think he deserved it either, but
you know he got it just you know, Ben, excuse me, Bernagia.
He's not on the championship level yet. He doesn't even
have a solid champion you know that he's fought yet,
he's climbing there. He's getting there. I think you know,
his last his last performance, he showed that. You know,
(14:34):
he's still he's still a big dog. He has a
big punch. But that Coca's performance, that one's the one
was like, oh man, you're not ready yet.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Not yet, kid. So you're asking me who.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I think Canelo should fight next, It's probably going to
be a former former champion type. You know, it's not
gonna be a champion. And at one sixty eight, I mean,
go down the list, throw some names at me.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
He's beaten all the former champions, the former champions because
he beat them.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He's not gonna fight Caleb Plant again. No, I don't
even know who else. I look here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The reality is whether we like it or not. Edgar
Berlang is the front runner right now. Edgar Berlanga can
sell a fight Mexico, Puerto Rico. He's obviously gonna be
flamboyant during the press tour.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
He's undefeated.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Uh nominally, he is Canelo's WBA mandatory challenger. We can
scoff at that all we want, I do it all
the time. But he is in that number one position
for one of the belts that Canelo holds. It's an
easy fight to make, you know. Berlanga's team is not
going to hold him up for a ton of money.
In terms of marketability, it's the most marketable fight available
(15:40):
right now for Canelo alvars I don't think a Charlo
fight is marketable anymore. I think you in the aftermath
of how Jermel fought, I don't think you can sell
the public properly on a drmal fight. And look you
got your phone out now, look it up and down? Yeah,
pound division right now.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah. You know you make a good point there, Becau
because all these kids, and I call him kids because
they're they're they're ten and oh and Billy Ta ten
and O. David Morrell. No, it's not gonna happen. You know,
Christian and Billy know he's not gonna happen. Basinian, it's
not gonna happen, and he almost lost. Chishkin is not
gonna happen. Pacheco's way too young and doesn't deserve it
just yet either.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
So yeah, you know what, man, you might have a point.
You might have a point here. I don't propose next.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I just don't think that. I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's it's it's kind of what we're left with at
this point. Berlanga is going to be blank is the
front runner unless something changes. Like even at one sixty Sergio,
who is there at one sixty for him to fight?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I mean, he's not. There's not a lot of great
options out there for Canella, while for us I think
Edgar Berlanga.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, granted, things could change, maybe he decides to dare
to be great and do something different, but I think
it's September.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I got a name for you. That's who Canela fights next.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I could see that, I could see that maybe he
wants to do something over in the UK, But in
terms of US fights, Berlanga is kind of the guy
that's that that's out there so I think Berlanka, Jimi Mungia.
Your thoughts on who he could fight, well, I mean
like he's gonna come back again.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
His stock I think went up after.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That exactly who he fights that okay, Kayleb Plant, I
love that fight.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Kayleb Plant, I love that fight.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Caleb Plant, love him or hate him, he always puts
on a hell of a fight. He's a he's a
boxer before a puncher. Mungia is a puncher before a boxer. Stylistically,
it makes sense. I think he'll be a hell of
a fight, a winnable fight for Kayleb Plant. And it's
a type of fight where Mungia would have to show
more than just a great and physical uh uh you know, combinations.
He would have to be as smart as well. That'ld
(17:39):
be a hell of fight.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Yeah, hen't even a Plant.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I don't think it happens next because I think both.
I think Kayla Plants already said publicly he's headed towards
some kind of tune up fight after a long layoff,
And I think you give Jimi McGee a one fight
to get his legs back under him, get a win.
But both these guys get wins in twenty twenty four.
That is a great fight to make at the start
twenty twenty five. And look, I think Kayleb Plant could
out box Mugia. I think Bungia could stop KAELB.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Plant.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, I think both those things are happening. That is,
to me is a coin flip type.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I I'll throw you another name, Diego Pacheco. Diego Pacheco, Mungia.
You know, I think that that'll be a big step
for Pacheco. But if Pacheco beats him, we have a
new star, a new Mexican star, one sixty eight. So
either either Kayleb Plant or Diego Pacheco.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
For me, yeah, I think Pacheco might be a year
or two away from that type of level.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He's not on the way no name, but he's not
a name yet.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
No, oh, he's not a name. Yeah, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But he has a skill and I think he beats Mugia.
I think Diego Pacheco beats Mugia right now.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
It's a great as far as far as the name
and marketabillity.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yes, you make a good point, but Diggle Pacheco, I
think beats this, this version of Mugia. It's it'll be
an amazing fight.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Last thing for you, because people that are listening to
this show are probably going to be waking up early
Monday morning to watch the no in a Way versus
Louis near one hundred and twenty two pound fight. You
called Neari's last fight, that incredible fight against Osladhovenisian fight
of the year, you know, per some people top three
(19:02):
for sure in terms of exciting.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We haven't seen anyone able to hang within a way
at any weight class at this point. He has just
been a force over the last couple of years, has
become undisputed into weight divisions. Do you think Louis Neary
can give in a Way problems on Monday problems?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes, But I don't think he beats him. I think
ultimately he gets stopped. It's gonna it's gonna be an
incredible fight. I'm I'm I'm pulling for him. But I
think the the jan is gonna have back to back
you know, Uh, they're gonna come up short like Mungia
came up short yesterday. I think Louis uh Nettie comes
out short tomorrow. But I think he puts up a
good fight. I think he might even he might give
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in his best fight, one of his best fights.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
He's that good.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's gonna be a great fight, and I can't wait.
It's tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Right, It's Monday morning in the US.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Tomorrow morning, and I'm excited for that fighter. I think
Nettie is a special fighter, a very special fighter. I
love that fight with Hovanissin everything I saw of Louis Netti,
He's just a beautiful boxer. He's a new school Mexican boxer, puncher.
He's not that typical Mexican style. This kid has what
it takes to give in a way, one of the
(20:10):
best fighters in the world. Everything can handle. He just
can't beat him yet. He can compete, but he can't
beat the monster in Japan.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I don't know who can, at least not at one
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Let me tell you something I thought that I thought
something that was interesting was asked of Tank Davis on
Saturday at his press availability. Somebody asked him if he
would drop to one thirty to fight in a way,
and Tank and I believe Leonard Ellerby from Mayweather Promotions both.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Said that he would.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I had thought in a way versus Tank was kind
of pie in the sky, just too far apart in
terms of way, but in a way is probably one
or two fights away from moving up to one twenty six.
If Tank's willing to go to one thirty. He has
been a one thirty in a while a lot of
trouble making that way. But if he can make one thirty,
would you advise in a way to move up to
take that fight?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, yes, because he has ah, he has a faster
feet and faster punches, and and Tank is a very
short fighter, so height's not gonna be a problem. I
think that's a winnable fight for for in a way,
it will be an explosive fight that probably won't last
two rounds or three rounds. But yes, absolutely, because he
has the right, he right, the right intangibles to probably
(21:22):
beat a fighter light Tank. I mean, we haven't you like.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
That right now?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Favorite in a way against anyone, I think he's that
much of a beast. He's an all time great. He's
an all time great, and an all time great puncher.
Tank's a heavy puncher. He's a wicked, wicked punch away
from that southball stance, but not not as explosive in
always more explosive than Tank when it comes to combinations,
and there's more speed behind him, more in always more
of a many pockyeaut type power, aggressive exactly and with
(21:52):
speed and explosiveness. Tank, on the other hand, he's still
explosive monster. He's a monster monster. But it's it's not
with fol well, it is with foot work.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
He's got good footwork.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah, no, it is with full work. It's just different.
It's just two different styles of boxing.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But yes, I think in a way it's a winnable
fight from where where if he can land a punch,
you know Tank, we're gonna see, have to see Tank
got face adversity.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's a super fight.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I kind of dismissed the idea of that because I
never believe Tank would go back to one thirty and frankly,
I'm still not sure he can make one thirty again.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I mean, he he.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Had a lot of problems getting down in weight in
the past. He seems to have settled in nicely at
one thirty five, and like if he got to one thirty, Sergio,
he'd probably be drained at that weight, whereas in a
way coming up would be stronger, fresher, maybe a little
heavy than he's used to being. But you know, taking
one thirty, we have to cut a lot of weight down.
That'd be a tall task for him. We've seen in
(22:41):
recent fights if you kill yourself to make weight, you
leave something out of the ring. It cost you something
on that but hell, i'd love to see that fight.
I look to put a button on it. I think
in a way knocks out near I think the shots
that Neary was hit with against Tobnsian are gonna be
a lot worse if he gets hit with the same
stuff by In a way, I think it's compared. It
have been fun for a while, But fifth or sixth round,
(23:02):
I think he gets hit with a combination and it's
lights out for Luis Neary. But great event Monday. I
think that's on ESPN Plus in the US. Check that
out Monday morning, Sergio. Try not to get into a
fight on the plane.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Listen, man, there's a Raider fan up there.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Can you just not argue with them?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I don't like the Raiders play my theme music on
the way out outro. No, she got get it for
a while,
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