Colin Cowherd Podcast - ABC Reinstates Jimmy Kimmel, Packers HUGE Advantage, New York vs. Chicago Sports

Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Thing’s First” on FS1.

They start with Jimmy Kimmel being pulled off the air before being reinstated and agree that Disney CEO Bob Iger made the right call (3:00), and that Kimmel’s popularity and likeability amongst California’s creative class added additional pressure on Iger (9:30). They also discuss the level of responsibility people with large platforms have to speak out on major political and news issues (14:00), and balancing talking about issues they find interesting versus what their audience wants to hear (25:30).

They pivot to baseball and Colin argues the most interesting teams and stars are playoff bound which is good for the business of MLB (35:00). They discuss Danny’s move from Chicago to New York and contrast and compare the sports and sports fans of those cities (38:30).

Colin highlights the huge advantage the Green Bay Packers have over the rest of the league by not having an impulsive, impatient billionaire owner that meddles with the team(49:00), but Danny argues they were fairly lucky with drafting quarterbacks (54:00). 

Finally, Danny explains why he’s changed his position of wanting to fire NFL coaches for bad game management decisions and has gained a great understanding of the full sense of what makes a good coach, and they discuss the multiple factors that go into making a great coach (1:00).

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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former Chicago radio legend now at FS one, is joining us.
We bring in Danny about once every five or six weeks.
He's a busy guy. You know. I was thinking about

(01:09):
this somebody the other day asked me. They said, you know, Colin,
you don't do politics, and I said, well, I also
don't post my meals on Twitter. There's a lot of
things I do that I don't do publicly. I don't
want to hear Bill Maher's football picks or Ben Shapiro
talk the college football playoff. I said, you know, me
and my brand is like football in sports, and that's

(01:30):
what it is. And I don't want to dilute it
at all. Stephen A. Smith loves it. Knock yourself out.
I don't want to work that hard. But it was
interesting because it one of the only times I've thought, ooh,
should I have an opinion, but I didn't because I
was busy in doing stuff and didn't care. Was the
Jimmy Kimel situation, where listen, I just don't think it's
I think it's a bad precedent. I don't care what

(01:50):
somebody says, how offended you are. Don't take comedians off
the air. Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Don't.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And by the way, the left was doing it with
comedians years ago. They were getting called out for jokes,
and now the rights upset with Kimmel. But one of
the things I thought about was that in the end,
Bob Iger, who I know a little bit. Disney is
huge globally. It is massive in southern California. And Bob's

(02:17):
going to retire. I know where he lives in California.
He loves it. And my take was, he's surrounded he
Disney is a company full of artists. I mean, it
really is. That's what it is. The theme parks used
to drive it. I'm not sure the percentage of revenue,
but you know, so much of Disney now is movies
and Hulu and all this stuff. And my takeaway was,

(02:39):
in the end, I thought Bob Iger probably sat down
and went and I think gavinknew some things. This way,
this is my state. I literally have the support of
half the state, many of which are artists, creatives. Screw
next our, it's local levy. I mean, it's like ninth
on our wrung. And I really wondered. I thought, like,

(03:02):
if you're Gavin Newsom and you're Bob Iger, and basically
your support in the state is overwhelmingly these creative industries,
and you're like, well, Kimmel's in a creative space. I
don't care if the president hates me. I wonder that
was my take on it that everything in my life,
every big decision comes down to sex, power and money,
nobody else. You know what I mean? Seriously, when when

(03:22):
you're talking about big corporations, it's I mean, it could
be the White House, it could be Main Street, it
could be any Wall Street, and that why do you think?
And if you don't like this question, you can talk bears,
But why do you think? Ultimately, Bob Aiger just said.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now we're just going to put him back on. Well,
first of all, because it was the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think you know, you said a lot there, and
I've got a lot of thoughts on this obviously, so
I can go as long on this as.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You want to, but this, this is the right thing
to do. Right.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
This was a pretty clear cut freedom of speech issue,
and everyone from Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro and George
Clooney and Meryl Streep and Joe Rogan everybody came out
against this like this was a fairly cut and dry one.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Easy. It was an easy one. And so I think
that when you see that reaction to it, I don't
know how much credit I'm supposed to give you for
like ultimately doing the right thing, because it was so universe,
it was so easy, So I don't think about that.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Also, though, to your point about Hollywood and like being
comfortable where you live, Kimmel is so popular in southern
California among the Hollywood elite, right, like his green room
when when he first started doing a show twenty years ago,
was like the Hollywood hangout.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
People call him, you know, the mayor of Hollywood. He
he is is likely to.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Hang out with Magic Johnson as he is Jennifer Aniston.
And then he when he started, he dipped his toe
into the water with politics because of healthcare, because of
what happened with his young child, right, and you know,
like that was his He was not a John Stuart
John Oliver, like Jimmy Kimmel is the Man Show, like

(05:21):
Jimmy Kimmel's local radio.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Jimmy Kimmel is a prankster.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Jimmy Kimmel was like likability guys, guy, pull pranks, football picks,
all that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
He started dipping his toe in politics through.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Healthcare, and then I think he got it infatuated with it,
and the left started reaching out to him and he
started doing events and he you know, speaking at Obama
functions and things like that. But like Jimmy Kimmel in Hollywood,
as I understand it has pretty like universal approval. Yeah,

(05:55):
his approval, his approval. Everyone wants to hang with Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, I mean because if you think about it, Letterman
always sort of poked Hollywood in the ribs. Madonna share,
Ricky Gervais doesn't give a fly, and you know what
about Hollywood, He mocks them in front of them. Cobert
is the political guy, fallin sort of a New York
music vibe. Carson was debonair, Leno had the monologue. Conan

(06:24):
was quirky, And I always think, whether you're a columnist
at the New York Times or you're a late night host,
you need a lane like you need.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Kimmel was friends with these people. Was Hollywood correct that
he was the mayor of Hollywood?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Like he he vacations with Jason Bateman and Jennifer Aniston,
you know, like that was his thing. He created a vibe,
and he created a hangout spot. And so you know,
I I thought that when the four hundred actors and
artists saw like signed that petition, I thought that was
like an obvious step that was clearly coming. But I

(07:03):
thought that if Disney and them, if everyone like didn't
kind of back down on this one, I think that
Kimmel is popular enough that it might have gone further
because you saw a few people like writers. I think,
like a writer from Lost or something was like, I'm
not going to work for them again until they do well.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's where I feel Eiger feels that institutional pressure. I
mean a great example is for a brief time in
LA I moved to Brentwood, which is it's a very
much an industry town like Manhattan Beach is USC grads
playing volleyball, work hard, party hard right. Beverly Hills is
very international. I mean, West Hollywood is very much industry.

(07:45):
Brentwood is where the industry, the CEOs, the agents live
and so I moved there in a very beautiful area.
But my neighbors, one of my neighbors, like Lindsay Buckingham.
It was a lot of industry people. You'd occasionally see, uh,
you know more Dustin Hoffman. I never saw him, but
apparently he had a house. You know, there's a game
show host down the street. That's what I didn't move

(08:07):
there for it. I moved it because in my when
I started the volume, a lot of people in the
company were in that area, and I didn't want to
keep driving back and forth and driving back and forth.
And it's fine, But there was a restaurant there called Toscano,
and it was I went there all the time. They
had a great bar that you could just watch sports,
really low key. Every time you walked in. It was
industry people and iiger I went there probably thirty times.

(08:29):
He was there, six to seven of them. Kardashians were there.
I mean, it was all these Hollywood people and like
industry people. And the truth is Bob was could not
get in and out of that restaurant. And he would
dress very casually, never a suit. I mean, it looked
like he just got done biking. He was legendarily beloved
and left the company, came back, and I do think

(08:51):
there is this point where you look at it and
you think, time out, what are my affiliates. Who are
my alliances with there? They're not they're not, I mean.
And so when you see all the like Silicon Valley
guys go and into the White House, that's different. Those
are massive global companies. You don't know where those people
are going to Live, they probably got eight holes. Iger

(09:14):
always felt like an LA guy. I mean, it's it's
I thought he made an offer on one of the
sports team his family did he feels like, I mean, so,
I just I guess my point being is that like
if I was Bob Iger and I don't, I wouldn't
think you even have a choice. To your point, you
don't get credit. It was like you had to do that,
that is your base.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, I thought it was such an obvious overreach, you know,
I thought that the FCC chairman, I mean, the stuff
that he said was just like I mean, i'mluckily stupid,
and so yeah, I thought it was like a pretty
open and shut case because and you also said earlier,
you're like the left was doing it with jokes and
going too far, Like I don't I don't want to like.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
False equivalent those because like there's no question that.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Sensitivities and people like lashing out at media got a
little too extreme and people got.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
A little too sensitive.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And you can like talk about cancel culture or whatever,
but like losing out on hosting the Oscars because you
wouldn't apologize for jokes is not like losing a gig
is not the same, like because like an event wouldn't
book you.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's not the same as the head of the FCC
taking you off the air and the president like celebrating
your firing, right, Like that's that's not the same. That's
government overreach.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
And so I thought this one was just like appalling
to everybody, you know, like this was this is like
what happened to Howard Stern back in the nineties, Like
this this was just like so they're just like, wait,
they're gonna do what over what comment?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
And like who's getting involved?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Like and I thought Kimo, what he said in his
monologue was hilarious and spot on, like he had great ratings,
like talk about your all time backfire, like they made
him a martyr and you've shown him like you have
this power the volume, and you know a lot of
people have left, like institutional job, like Conan left Late

(11:13):
Night and as is as popular as ever.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I know you're not the biggest Conan guy, but.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I think he's really I've kind of moved back into Conan. Actually,
I was gonna I want to I was going to
tell you what's interesting about all of this because I
know Jimmy a little. He's a really really nice guy.
I don't know everybody likes him everybody else, yeah, yeah,
And they're all different guys, they all have different personalities.
I think Colbert is is kind of a little bit
more academic. I think Fallon's kind of silly. Uh Leno

(11:40):
is actually like like Seinfeld is like has this, I
don't know, Ornate's the right word this, like the car
fetish like they're they're really like mechanics who write amazing jokes,
like they really are.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
He's a technician. Yes, yeah, he's a joke technician.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
That's what I know. When Seinfeld to me are where
Letterman had the quickest wit in the world. But it's
interesting about the responsibility. I was thinking about this today
is that I think some people were waiting for Joe
Rogan to have a big opinion on this, and he
was out elk cunning and you know he said, listen,
I went up in the mountains. I didn't have a phone.
I've done that. I'm sure you have too. When I

(12:20):
go on vacation, like I turned the phone off for
like four days at a time, Like my kids know
how to get a hold of me. I'm out. That's
why I go on vacation and if you go Elk cunning,
which I never have, I can see you going up
to the mountains. There's not a tower next to the ELK.
I get it, but I always think it's interesting. What
is the responsibility? Or Sineo Hall said this once. I'm
not a journalist. I'm doing a late night show, watch

(12:42):
the news, and I remember thinking, yeah, ur Senio Hall's right,
you can bring Clinton on and he can play the saxophone,
but you're doing late night. Carson stayed away from it,
but it was a different time. Leto Letterman. Letterman would
talk big stuff. It could be nine to eleven, it
could be as a heart attack. His best shows were
during these gripping, authentic crises in his life or in

(13:05):
the nation. But there's been this sense that Joe Rogan
has a certain responsibility because of the size of his audience.
And I always think to myself, Okay, podcasting isn't even
governed by the FCC. I'm having a green River whiskey podcasting.
I would be let go at any other network drinking
on the job. I don't necessarily think popularity means you

(13:28):
have a responsibility. I don't think Howard Stern had a
responsibility to talk politics. This is where I'll defend Rogan.
Rogan is bizarrely curious. He knows more about dragons than
I do about my kids, Like he cares about stuff
I don't care about. But I think he's so wildly
curious that he's kind of a fascinating listen. And my

(13:48):
son doesn't politically always agree with him, but he just
he talks about space and aliens and lizard people, and
it's just whatever. Do you think there's a responsibility. I
don't have it for Paula, because I do have it
for sports. Do you think there's a responsibility if you
have a large audience to comment to take a position

(14:09):
on big political issues.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, but there's a little bit of nuance here and
Nick and I were talking about this, and then Nick
made the point on his podcast, which is a part
of the volume, so I will echo it, but since
he said it publicly, I will give him the credit
for it. I did think that Rogan eventually did owe

(14:35):
his audience a comment on this issue, because so much
of what Rogan has talked about was free speech right
and cancel culture like that had that was a part
of his brand. Defending Cox defending cancelizations, you know, being

(14:56):
a I mean, the guy platforms a lot of people,
and it's like Evan's opinion is welcomed, and I thought
some of the things that Rogan has done in the
past I disagreed with, Like I don't think that Joe.
I don't think that Alex Jones deserved Joe Rogan's blast. Same, right, same,
That was the one guy I'm out on. Yeah, correct, right,

(15:18):
And no, that's obviously the most extreme example, but I'm
using it to make the point that Joe Rogan's defense
of that, as I understand it was and continues to be,
everyone deserves a voice, and everyone's voice should be heard. Well,
if that's your thing, and that is undeniably Rogan's thing,

(15:38):
then when an actual First Amendment free speech overreach happens,
I do think you owe it to people to be
on the front lines of that conversation too, because if
he would have just been like, eh, you know, the

(16:00):
joke wasn't funny, and broadcasters have a right to pull.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Licenses and it is fecy, it is public airwaves, so
you know, I guess tough shit.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I would be like, well, hold on a second, are
you just doing this because you like shaking his hand
at UFC events, Like because a lot of those podcasters
in the run up to the election who were Comedian
north Star free speech absolutists absolutely were a part of

(16:30):
that campaign, and so I think that there it is good.
For the most part, I have seen all of those
got THEO Vaughn Andrew Schultz, like right of center politicians
who had politicians on in the lead up to the election.
I think universally they've come out in support of Jimmy Kimmel,

(16:50):
who I don't think any of them would say they
think is that funny, and I don't think any of
them would align with him necessarily politically, but on the free.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Speech issue they have been consistent.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
So as someone who loves comedy as much as I
do and journalism as much as I do, I do
think those guys on this issue owed it to people.
But I don't think because Rogan has a big audience,
he owes it to us on every issue.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, I'm not a free speech absolutist, Bill Morrowis says
he is, I am not. I think you have to.
I think the bigger the platform you have to earn
your way on. I think you just just saying anything idiotic,
that's hateful. I'm not going to put you on any
of my platforms. So I'm not a free speech absolutist.
Although I do think Mar as a broadcaster, is more

(17:35):
compelling and interesting by bringing on people who are polarizing
and disagree with him. I think that's just better television
than being in an echo chamer.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I think mar is the one that he has endured
for the last thirty years, and I think one of
the reasons is he I like the sparring of it.
He's brought a couple of people on I would not,
But you know, I'm not a free speech absolute I
think you earned the bigger of the platform. You earn
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(19:39):
For the record. There's people I wouldn't bring on left
and right. I think they're fringe. I'm not a big
fan of fringe. But again, I view myself as a
moderate to an independent left socially, right fiscally, and so
I try not to let it get in the way
of what I think. But I again, my take is

(19:59):
kind of of yours, is that I talk about stuff
that I think fits my brand. I'll give you something
I didn't talk about years ago because I thought it
was boring. So I when I first started at FS one,
the first four or five years, I watched every minute's
ratings the next day. I wanted to see what worked
and what didn't. I don't do it anymore, but I did,

(20:20):
and I there was an urban Meyer NC doublea Ohio
state story, and I was fascinated by it, and I
talked about it, and the next day I went and
looked to the ratings and nobody cared because it was bureaucracy,
and I was like, oh, it's just too much minutia
and everybody hates the NC DOUBLEA. So that was one
of those where I'm like, and I mean, my rating's

(20:42):
just forty percent of the audience just left, and I
was like, Okay, the audience is telling me NC doublea's inadequate,
toothless and boring. And so several years later there was
the Lebron China comments and I all all I could
think of was, Oh, it's bureaucracy, it's boring. I got burned,

(21:04):
and I'm like, I don't care about my audience doesn't
care about Chinese bureaucracy and Lebron James. All they do
is complain about Lebron. So I didn't talk about it,
and in my I don't think I've ever said this,
and a lot of it was my audience doesn't like bureaucracy,
they don't like corporate talk, you know, NCAA government. And
I got some feedback, Hey, you're afraid to talk about it,

(21:26):
and I'm like, no, it's just bad television. Like there's
I literally go to my boss with album one of
the people, you know, the executives, and at the beginning
of a football season, I go give me the twelve
most popular NFL teams, and he'll give them to me,
and I will try to stay Even today, I won't
say what team is. I turned down a topic that

(21:46):
was pushed by somebody on the staff because the team
is just not interesting enough Nationally. I'm not doing local
or regional radio, so there are times that I haven't
embraced big stories, gotten criticism from I don't want to
care about the critical stuff. But like you know, fans
are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Where do you land on
that stuff that you probably should have maybe arguably have

(22:13):
an opinion on. But it's just bad television. It's bad
boring radio.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, Like I think that if I was doing the
Danny Parkins podcast, like the equivalent of the Colin Coward
podcast or the Joe Rogan Experience or What's Right with
Nick Right, I would always err on like I'm going
to talk about what is interesting to me.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yes, Look, I the First Thing's first staff has heard
a lot of my Michael Pennox takes. This week, I thought,
because I thought that his performance against the Carolina Panthers
was mortifying, and I would like, I will not bet
on him again for a long time. He cost me
a Survivor pool entry. Carolina's defense was the worse than

(23:00):
the NFL last year. They were bad through two games,
they were a five and a half point favorite, and
they lost thirty to zero. And he threw a pick
six on a check down where I think he was
legitimately three seconds late on the throw.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
He looked horrifyingly bad. But I can't get that opinion
on TV because like the Falcons Panthers, people just do
not care. I've been told and I'm like, I think
I would be really good. You just laughed at my opinion.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I'm like, I think it would be like people want
to just see what you're passionate about. Like I think
it would have been fine to do for two minutes.
But you know, I don't have as much skin in
the game here as much like you know, Pelts on
the wall whatever the expression is, as you or Nick do.
So I gotta lose that one, but that the producers
are going to hear about it. So like I think
on television where we are on in sports bars and

(23:46):
airports and moms getting their kids ready for school. Like
mass appeal, you're trying to cater to everybody, but if
you were really interested, Like a podcast, I think, by
definition is more niche. It's like HBO. It's like real time. Yeah,
you have to opting into it. You're seeking it out.
Like if I am a listener of the Colin Calherd

(24:07):
podcast and I am a subscriber of it, I will
listen to want. I want to know what you are
interested in. And if you are interested in lebron and China,
why you are good at what you do is because
you make me interested. I love your line of I'm
in the omelet business, not the egg business. It's not
my job to make you interesting. But I think that

(24:28):
is more applicable to national radio and national television than
it is podcasting. Like if you wanted to get on
here and grind out a topic on the hypocrisy of
the NBA, and it's like, I'd listen to it, and
by the way, if I didn't find it interesting, I'd
fast forward, like.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, you know, that's part of the beauty of podcasting.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
So I think it matters for time place, but mostly
for this conversation platform. Like, I agree with you that
not every topic Nick and I talk about it sometimes,
like that's a good radio topic, that's a good podcast topic.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
That's not a good TV topic.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
And I, you know, and I'm a little over a
year into my TV career, and so I am still
learning and like figuring that piece out as a long
time radio guy. There are topics that are just better
for different mediums. Yeah, no, that's and that's pretty smart
that you guys talk about that, because it you know,
and I've said this before, college March madness and the

(25:29):
baseball playoffs I really like. But the regular season of
both doesn't move the needle. You lose you hemorrhage audience
if you taught college basketball before March.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
But I start watching it in February and I'm really
into college basketball for three weeks. I've got really good
friends in the industry, a couple of coaches, and I
love watching like eight to ten programs, you con and
Gonzaga and Villanova and Kansas. I love watching them play.
You know, I loved Syracusan Beheim so and by the way,

(26:03):
baseball's like that. So you know, I grew up with
the Mariners. Well, now they've got Cal Rawley, they hit
home runs, they got Moonyo's the closer, they have a
really good starting staff and an Era. They're great at home.
It's all be fascinated for five weeks of baseball, but
during the regular season it's not a great topic. So
that's a prime example of to the audience, and sometimes

(26:23):
I take people behind it and just say listen. When
I lived in ESPN Land, I watched a ton of
Yankees red, so I worked out every day to Nissen,
Mike Felger, The d the radio show, the TV simulcash.
Every single day I worked out. That's why I'm so buffed.
Every day I worked out to that, and I listened
all the time to Mike and the Mad Dog in
the afternoon when I was driving around doing errands and

(26:44):
picking my kids up, I'd listen to forty five minutes
and they would just go, you know, it's baseball show
more than anything, which was crazy in a city like
New York with the Knicks and the Jets and the Giants.
So there are topics like that. But I will say
in October, I think these I think I told this.
I led with this today on television I led baseball.

(27:07):
I said, whether it's AI in business, nil in college football,
or fear of the salary gap in baseball, there is
a neurotic, anxiety ridden, fadeless group of sports fans who
literally always fear the worst. And I'm like, you do
get the Lakers got Luca bounced in the first round,

(27:29):
ok Ce met in the in the finals. You you
do get that the Brewers are the best team in baseball,
and the Mets are unraveling with their three hundred and
forty million dollar payroll, and the Reds and the Guardians
and the Mariners are crushing it in Toronto where none
of the star players want to play in Toronto, and
the taxes in Canada, and you start looking around at

(27:51):
all these sports and it's like, guys, green Bay's great,
the Jets and Giants are unwatchable. That there there is
something that's very very true about business and sports obsessive wins,
and when you're in big cities, it's more distracting. There's
more to do in Chicago and New York. There is

(28:13):
not more to do in Green Bay, and there's not
more to do in OKC. And I do believe it's
not just because you should have advantages game day revenue
in the big cities. More free agents want to live
in Miami, LA and New York than they do, you know, Dallas.
That I think in cities like Dallas and New York
and Miami and Los Angeles, it's more distracting, not just

(28:37):
for the athletes, for the executives and for everybody. And
I guess my whole point is what I love about baseball.
I think it's been an unbelievable year for baseball, that
all these small markets, that all these sort of can't
compete with the bigs. I mean, the Dodgers have a
they're unraveling their bullpens terrible. I mean, I think it's

(29:00):
been an unbelievable baseball. If you asked a commissioner, he'd go,
I want the Cubs, the Dodgers, and the Yankees to
be good, but not too good. I need two small
market teams, one in the Northwest and one in the
middle of the country. Like every team except the Braves
that you would want to win is winning. Have you
paid more attention to baseball this year because you're a
Chicago native.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, listen, I love the Cubs and so when I
did local radio. You know, we were doing baseball all
the time. I do agree that some of the stories
cal Raleigh, like to me he should be the MVP judge,
is amazing, but that those power numbers as a catcher
they're playing every game is stupid. That's like a few

(29:42):
baseball players about it, and like to a tee, they
don't talk about him like he is Otani, but they
talk about it like in the same level of like
I think it was physically possible for a catcher too.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, Piazza, Johnny Bench, Pudge and Cal Rawley. It's like
it wears you out to be catcher.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Correct, So to be catching that number of games and
hit that money home runs for a good team is
just awesome and preposterous and an amazing story and it
probably should be getting more attention, though it is obviously
getting plenty of attention on MLB Network. I since leaving,
like I did not love the local radio day to

(30:25):
day of baseball because it was always hard for me
to put any significance on any one game. Yeah, because
like my math brain just didn't allow for it. It
was just like a the guy that my co host
was a huge baseball guy. My producers were huge baseball guys,
and I was like, guys, I am a huge baseball

(30:47):
guy too. I just like more like storylines, playoffs, macro.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's an event culture, and that's the audience is they're distracted.
Like baseball is a hard sell in the regular.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Season, right, but like in May in Chicago when the
Cubs are off to an amazing start, like they're the
biggest deal in town and there's nothing going on with
the Bears or the Bulls, and it's like it's kind
of like in local radio, that's what you're doing, and
so roundabout way to talk about. Like, so I love baseball,
but I love it more now that I am not

(31:21):
in it every day because I can of just kind
of like appreciate a good game, a good highlight, a
good storyline, and then as to your point, lock in
for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
And it's more than they become football games.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Like the reaction, right, like it each game obviously matters
way more. Each decision is like truly fascinating to hyper
analyze and magnify because like in the regular season, it's like, ooh,
that was a questionable lineup decision, or he should be
batting there, that was a weird bullpen decision. It's like, well,
we're operating with such incomplete information. Was the guy healthy?

(32:04):
Are we playing the long game? Are you just trying
to get this guy a spot? What was the reason for?
Like it's but it's one of one sixty two. The
actual result of the baseball game doesn't matter that much,
Like I need.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
We consume so much.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Sports that I need there to be stakes attached to
my sports, and it just doesn't feel to me like
any one regular season baseball game matters all of that much.
So I'm with you that the stories have been great,
but I personally prefer it from the national level because
I can zoom out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, the now that you live in New York, so
and I spend eighty percent of my time in Chicago.
I still go to LA regular but he still have
a lot of friends, and I still love going. And
I'm not one of these I hate LA I love Listen.
I've lived a lot of places I like. I love
the East Coast, I really love. I never thought I would,

(32:55):
but I mean June first to October first, maybe October fifteenth,
if I could, I'd live in the Northeast. I think
it's the most beautiful place in the world. The beaches,
the fall foliage, foliage, It's amazing. I will say Chicago
is radically cheaper than Los Angeles on like thirteen different fronts.
It's unbelievable. How much more affordable Chicago is. Like having

(33:17):
a beer, I mean, having a chicken sandwich at a
food truck, like going out to eat, like rent I
miss it. It's I miss it now. Now you've gone
from Chicago to New York. It is unbelievable. You've gone
from a city with bad owners and mediocre sports to
a place that's worse. It's president. I mean, it's incredible.

(33:42):
How would you what's the difference for our audience between
a Chicago sports fan who you talk to every day
and a New York sports fan that you can hear
every day on radio or TV.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean listen, New York sports fans take a
tremendous amount of pride in their they're booing and their anger.
Like I would always say, because I too listen to
Mike and the Mad Dog When I was in Syracuse
they would be on the YES Network and I was
a sports radio dork and I was I consumed it
from then, and I went to school with all these

(34:17):
kids from the Philadelphia area and the New York area
and whatever. And as much as I love Chicago, I
do think that there is kind of like in terms
of like tough fan bases, there's a big three and
it's New York, Philly, Boston, and then there is a
gap and then Chicago is like the biggest of everybody

(34:41):
else and the toughest of everybody else with the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
The Chicago Bears beat is a good, tough beat.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
They ask tough questions, they will hold players like there's
big city journalism that happens around the Bears. It's an
excellent beat. The Cubs beat is pretty good. There are
national reporters based out of Chicago.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's a good beat.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
White Sox catch a ton of hell. But it's not
it's not like Boston. It's not like Philly, and it's
not like New York.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I think Chicago.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Someone is Chicago angry. Isn't Philly angry? Midwestern people. I'm saying, yeah,
they're just not as angry. That's there. And by the way,
Philly takes pride in it. Chicago's kind of they feel
bad when they hang up the phone and rip somebody.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's that's That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's I think the media reflects the fans, like the
fans in Chicago, like we want to be tough and mean,
but we're still like Midwest nice. Yeah, like we still
we still kind of judge the we want you to
when we when you hold the door open for someone
like not to be surprised, like New Yorkers are like
what are you doing? Like do you work here? And

(35:49):
so I think that there is some that's it's a cliche,
but I do think that there is like a noticeable difference.
And it's not just New York Chicago. It's like New York, Philly, Boston,
everyone else. And so that to me is the biggest difference.
But you are one hundred percent correct that God is
their bad ownership in both cities, Like it's it's wild

(36:10):
and that's why though like listen, the one I use
is like the Bengals were the Bungles before Joe Burrow
got there, like it can change. The Chiefs did not
win a single game with a quarterback that they drafted,
not a playoff game, a regular season game between Todd
Blackledge and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
They won games with Alex Smith and Joe Montana and
Trent Green, but like Brody Croyle, who they drafted and
he went on ten.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Like so like a player can change it. Now you
got to be unbelievable, and it is harder to change
the culture and the institutional failures and you're paddling upstream
and all of those things.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
But like, if if Caleb is that guy, he can
change it.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
If Derek Rose would have been Orench is taller and
had better knee ligaments, like he could have changed it.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So I do think that, like the ownership matters a ton,
but you great management can overcome. The Cubs were terrible forever,
the Tribune company never spending anything, and the Ricketts family
they spend, They make a ton of money, but they
don't spend like Steve Cohen or you know someone you know,

(37:28):
like they what the Cubs make, they put back into
the team.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
But when they had theo Epstein running the show, they
won the World Series. You know, he was the greatest
baseball executive of the last thirty years. And now they're
pretty well run and they've been consistently good for a while.
And we'll see if they can get another one. But
so I think that ownership can hold you back, but
you just have to be truly special to overcome it.

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(39:44):
and for a variety of reasons, perhaps in my opinion
it's a cultural change, you go the opposite way. And
I'm going to start with mine. And I thought about
this so for years, Ioways said Green Bay not having
an owner was a negative. That you need stan Kronky
on the tarmac with Sean McVay on the phone and

(40:05):
he's getting ready to fly his Gulfstream from lax to
Heathrow and literally McVeigh and less need pin him down
on Stafford and he goes, okay, let's get him. You
don't have to go through a board. You don't have
to gather people around like in green Bay, and you know,

(40:25):
Mark Murphy had to answer to people. And so for
years I always thought, what a negative for green Bay.
They don't they can't walk upstairs. I've always said one
of the strengths of Fox over ESPN. ESPN's a massive company.
It's like the Marriott Shane. You know, Fox is like
a boutique hotel. If I really needed something, I would
walk upstairs and I've done it maybe once and just

(40:46):
ask Eric Shanks, Eric, this sucks, you know, can we
do this? Or Eric, I'm not comfortable with this. What
do you think of it? And if he's there, he
would just say, oh, that's a good point. Let me
get it on the phone. And I don't do it much.
I've probably done it twice, or I've said hey, can
we do this? This is one of them. Was like, well,
I won't even get into it. It was kind of a
thing for the staff I wanted to do, but you

(41:07):
can get an answer and get it solved very quickly.
And I don't have a lot of you know, I
don't have to do it much. I think I've done
it twice in nine years. It was just something I'm like, yeah,
this feels weird, let's not do this. You get an answer.
Packer's never had that. Then something happened and I really
noticed it over the last two to three years, and
I've talked to gms about this, is that owners have

(41:29):
gotten more impulsive because they're not worth seven hundred million.
They're worth eleven billion, and so they have no problem
running a sixty eight million dollar check to get rid
of both coordinators and they head coach. They don't care.
And when they're around their buddies who are millionaires, probably
not billionaires, they're giving them shit when they vacation with them,

(41:51):
like your coach is an idiot, this quarterback's a bum.
And you know, they did a bit of a billionaire
echo chamber, and they and they lean on a GM
and they lean on people and they just are crazier
and so Green Bay, now I believe has a huge
advantage where they don't answer to any impulsive owner. They

(42:12):
basically have really smart president, really smart people in the
front office. They tend to be patient with quarterbacks. I
do not believe you can draft a first round quarterback
and sit him for three years twice. You can't do
that in any other city except green Bay, the masters
of the most important position in the national football increasingly

(42:33):
so over the last fifteen years. So that's my sports
take where I it's like there and I have pivoted
to the other side, and I think Green Bay's ability
to have multiple year patients is unprecedented in this sport.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
So the green Bay thing is a little sensitive for
me because my dad's whole side of the family are
cheesehead Packer fans, and I've had to deal with this
for my entire life life.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
And I always would.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Say, you know, to my brother, my older brother is
a Packer fan, and my dad and you know, rest
in peace to both of them.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
But I would always say, I was like, you guys
don't know how the rest of us live. Like you
guys get.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Going from FARV to Rogers to Jordan Love, Like I
remember when Rogers got hurt and Brett Hunley had to
play for like six games.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
They're like, oh, it's like six games. Try sixteen years.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Try the eighties.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the game that Caleb Williams had against Dallas.
A Bears quarterback has not done that. Four touchdowns, zero picks,
zero sax since Rex Grossman in two thousand and six,
and before that it was Eric Kramer in nineteen ninety five,
and then before Eric Kramer it was zero times. I like,
that's entirety of the list. And so like the fact

(43:54):
that like so and so packerstans don't understand how good
they have it, But allow me to just push back
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Isn't it luck is?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
It isn't I mean, because our sample size there is two, right,
Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love. And because FARV was like
FARV was good, they had Farv. They traded for Farv
and then Aaron Rodgers falls in the draft, not supposed
to be there. They take him, they sit him, but

(44:28):
he was you know, number one, it was him and
Alex Smith. Then that works and then Rogers they think
he's done, They train up and take Jordan Love. Then
they get rid of McCarthy. Lafleur comes in all of
a sudden, Rogers is winning two more MVPs. Like the
plan wasn't like, let's sit Jordan Love for three years.

(44:48):
The plan was, we don't know how much longer Aaron
Rodgers has and then a new coach kind of injected
some old man life into him, and Jordan Love was
sitting longer than they initially thought when they aft if
they thought that Aaron Rodgers was going to be an
m VP, they would have drafted T Higgins instead of
drafting Jordan Love. So like it's and by the way,

(45:10):
it was multiple presidents, you know what I mean back
then with it was Ron wolf Right, it's been multiple
j Thompson and Ted Thompson, multiple presidents, multiple general general managers.
I don't I don't just believe that, like inherently because
they eat brought worst and they have no owner and
it's green and gold that they have just like that,

(45:31):
they just have this ability that like if if Mark
Murphy went and it's a new president. Now I forget
the guy's name, but if you like, if he became
the president of the Jaguars, I don't think that the
next Jaguars quarterback would be Aaron Rodgers level good. Like
I think they have gotten I think they've gotten lucky

(45:52):
twice and it an noise the hell out of me.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So here's where I'd pushed back. They are also arguably
the best draft team period for twenty five years, and
I think, I mean they literally have maybe in twenty
five years, had two bad offensive lines and they never
draft offensive lineman in the first round. Is that once
again their ability to draft middle rounds and just be

(46:18):
patient and not have a relentless angry media banging on them.
Their media is not even collegiate, it's almost high school nice.
I mean, it's a very supportive media. And so I
would buy into luck if they didn't currently have the
best tight end wide receiver youth groups in the NFL.

(46:39):
And they don't do free agency, so they're missing a
leg from the barstool. And it's almost like there's so
many teachers that are actually millionaires, almost higher than almost
any profession outside of tech. And one of the reasons
they have to be is because teachers don't make a lot,
so they tend to pay off their homes, they buy
use cars. Green Bay similarly knows we don't get free agents.

(47:00):
We have to draft and development. We have to be patient.
We're not attractive to star mike linebackers. And wide receivers
on average, So I think I would buy that, But
they draft so exceedingly well. And I think a lot
of it is you do in life.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
What you have to.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
If you have to save to retire early, you don't
buy a second car if you're rich.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I mean the New York.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Operations, they just fly through money because their game day
revenue is huge, and they and I mean I think,
I mean, like the Knicks, James Dolan, I'm firing the
most successful coach we've had in twenty years. You wouldn't
think of doing that in Green Bay, Like, it wouldn't
even be on the table, would it.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I mean, they fired Mike McCarthy after he won a
Super Bowl, now not right after he won it, obviously, and.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
He struggled the last year and a half two years
he struggled.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, but but Mike Donlins hasn't won a playoff game
since twenty sixteen, and they've kept him there because, like
the Steelers ownership group, believe he was in continuity of coaches.
So listen, the Packers are a very well run organization.
So there's obviously an ounce of hater that is coming

(48:10):
out of me when we're talking about this and R
is very good.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's just an ounce, just a smidge, feels like sixteen ounces.
It might be forty proof.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
It might be it might be forty proof. Can you
pass me some of that whiskey? By the way it
looks DELICTI uh.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
The ad policy, by the name, is the new the
new Mark Murphy, the new Ted Thompson. I just I
have a I think that they are very well run.
They are very good at drafting. The historically, you are
one hundred percent correct, have not been a free agent team.
But it's also not because part of it is because
they don't. They're not attractive to free agents. But in

(48:48):
the NFL, it guys normally go where the money is
normally right, Reggie Reggie White going to Green Bay was
like a massive deal on an number of levels because
of race and religion and location and all that. They
also paid them a boatload of money. I remember when
Mario Williams went to Buffalo. Everyone was like, yeah, remember,

(49:11):
oh my god, Buffalo got a big free agent.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
And I was like, you get one hundred million dollars anywhere,
so green But Green Bay has also talked about like
a lot of like they believe philosophically organizationally in building
through the drafty. They don't even really pursue big time
free agents. Like part of it, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Is a geographic disadvantage, but I think part of it
is also just like organizational philosophy.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
And they're very good.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
And I think Jordan Love is just good enough to
throw a backbreaking interception in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Wait, let's wrap it up with your pivot. A position
you had and now, through either cultural changes, information clarity,
you have moved off it, sport anything.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Okay, Yeah, good question, good follow up. You're gonna hold
me to it.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
So I this Maybe this doesn't answer your question perfectly,
but I think it's a decent answer. I used to
want to fire coaches for bad game management decisions, messing
up timeouts, messing up and right messing up go for

(50:28):
it on fourth downs. It would drive me insane. And
I still don't like it, to be very very clear,
And I do think teams in general have gotten better
at it because they've brought you know, MIT nerds and
analytic departments in and like they've like streamlined their process.
But like I'm talking, like by the way, like I'm
go back like Mike McCarthy on the Packers when they

(50:51):
were in the NFC Championship game against Seattle in like
ye me ten or whatever. He's got Aaron Rodgers, Aaron
Rodgers's MVP of the league, and he's given the ball
to Eddie Lacy inside the five yard line instead of
letting Aaron Rodgers try to throw, and then he's settling
for short field goals. It was this is like before
the analytic, but even up the time you have Aaron Rodgers,

(51:12):
six is more than.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Three go for touchdowns? What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I used to want to like fire guys for that,
but then and like Andy Reid, it was a big
reason why I changed this. Like Andy Reid has struggled
at times. And remember I covered Andy Reid and the
Alex Smith era when he was coming off of the
Philadelphia era. I did not cover Andy Reid when he
had Superman as his quarterback. But Andy Reid would sometimes

(51:37):
do things be slow at the end of half, slept
the clock, run punked from midfield, and I was like,
this is so dumb, but goddamn, that guy would win,
and he would win double digit games and he would
get Alex Smith had the best year of his career

(51:58):
with him, And then you go back through and you
look at it and it was like, Okay, not only
did Alex Smith have the best year of his career
with Andy Reid, but so did Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia,
Mike Vick, Donovan mcnapp, Like yeah. So the epiphany was like,
it's the part that drives guys like me and Nick
crazy because we are sitting on our couch watching an

(52:20):
HD with the clock and the time and the score
and we can do that part. But the biggest part
of coaching is very clearly not that the biggest part
of coaching is Monday through Saturday. The game plan that
how you game plan for the Broncos is different than
how you game plan for the Lions, and it's like

(52:43):
a week to week chess and that's what Andy Reid
is the best I've ever seen in my lifetime of
watching football, and so like that, it is a part
of coaching that still drives me crazy and I will
still yell at my TV about it, but I will
unless you have like no, like, I will never advocate

(53:04):
firing a good coach for something like that. You know,
like if Brian Callahan can't do it and he can't
coach well, then sure, just like add it to the
list of reasons right why he should be gone. But
it's not like the It's not as big of a
part of being a good coach as I originally thought
it was, because I think I gained like a more
global understanding of like what the job entails. I don't

(53:26):
know that I fully adequately answer your question, but it
is a position that I totally have changed on and
it's now more of like a nuisance than like a
foundational principle. But I also think as I go around here,
I also think teams have gotten way better at it.
Like Dan Campbell is at the forefront of it, but

(53:46):
like teams now all employee game theory people.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, like no, And I've talked to a lot of
I probably say my best sources in sports or NFL GMS,
xgm's current GMS guys that want to be GMS, and
they've always said that a coach is a CEO. If

(54:11):
you get the schemes along with it, it's a total bonus.
But they've got to be a part psychologist. Bill Parcells
was brilliant at that. They've got to be an understanding
of personnel. Jimmy Johnson was a master of that. They
have to be play designers. Sean Payton, Andy Reid Shanahan
masters of that, and that clock management is often you

(54:35):
have a sense that that's what you do during the week.
You do all these two minute drills and red zone drills,
and then you let the game develop. And Phil Jackson
used to never call the first time out. I covered
that Blazer Lakers series with the iconic shack dunk. The
Blazers took ten point leads multiple times. Phil wanted his
team to figure out dilemmas. His theory was, I'm not

(54:59):
going to I'm not calling the first time out. I
want you to figure it out because when that happens
again later in a game, we have a dynamic. We
have been through this. And so Phil was like, I
don't It's like being a parent. I'm not going to
solve all your issues. You need to solve some of
your issues. So a lot of this stuff, especially early
in the season. I want to see if cam Ward

(55:22):
can handle the clock. We're not going to the super Bowl.
What I have to find out is can I get
him from Week three to week twelve to be a
better quarterback. I'm not solving all your issues. So I
was told that years ago by a guy, like what
he goes when people beat he goes, you don't know
the injuries. A lot of times you can't use certain
substitution patterns. You're like, why don't you go get this, Yeah,

(55:44):
you can't actually use it, but you didn't advertise it
to the other team that that tight end is hurt.
And he's like, there's matchups that are a problem. There's
sometimes a GM told me this once he goes, you'll
go into certain weeks by November and you literally have
a guard that it's got twelve to eighteen snaps in him,

(56:06):
and you're just try. Kurt Shilling once told me when
he got old, he goes, I had twelve fastballs. You
can't use him in the first two winnings. You've got
to save them. You'll go in and have a right
guard and you're like, he's got about fifteen snaps, but
we need forty, and so you run to the other side.
You don't do as you know, pass protect against that matchup.
So it literally, you know, there's other things. Now the

(56:29):
backups get hurt and you're like, well, we don't have
another slot corner, so we're gonna have to play softer
coverage here because that's a physical receiver. So through the
years I've learned there's a lot of stuff you just
don't advertise. But you go into games by November, you've
got all sorts of holes. You just can't let them
know them in the first two drives.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, the dirty little secret is like, our jobs are
to be interesting and to have big, strong opinions which
are interesting and hopefully entertaining. But the ones of those
of us who are self aware also will admit, whether
privately or publicly, in a quiet moment, how much we
don't know. Like we're operating with limited information. These coaches

(57:12):
are lying to us. We don't know who is healthy,
we don't know what the game plans are, we don't
know a lot of the circumstances around it. And you know,
Kurt Warner has been doing this thing on Twitter where
he's like, how do you guys all have such strong
opinions on Monday before you've watched the tape.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I'm like, because that's when the show starts. Like what
do you mean, Like, that's that's that's when the show starts.
We watched the game. We just do as best we can.
We talk to the people that we can talk to,
We do the stat work. Neither reminds me.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
That reminds me of the There's a moment Theo vonn
has a has a podcast. He calls this past weekend. Yeah,
and he had a guest on and the very it's
an actor that's very popular, and the guests the actor goes,
what did you come up with the name of that,
And he goes, well, my first show was on Monday,

(58:02):
so I named it this past weekend. And the guest
is like, He's like, that's actually brilliant, and he's like, well,
that's why I named it that it was a Monday
pod in this past weekend. And it's the same sort
of thing as the one thing about our business there
used to be. I think his name was Frank Rich.
He was a brilliant writer for the New York Times. Brilliant.

(58:24):
I think he was my favorite columnist in the history
of the country. I think he went on to write vice.
He went from the New York Times. I think he
covered Broadway. He became like the Sunday columnist. I think
he was writing one column a week. Frank rich one,
I would read it every week a lot of great columnists.
He was next level. And I remember his final column.

(58:47):
He said, what I really regret, And remember this is
one column a week. I do three hours a day.
He said, sometimes I was forced to have really strong
opinions and I just didn't. And I'm like, on one
column a week. But the truth is, yeah, But the
truth is He's right, like, not every week you have
this this volcanic emotional irruption over an issue. Now Trump,

(59:11):
I do think historically makes it a little easier if
you're not a Trump fan, right and are just our
political country, the tribalism. It's easier now than it was
like when he was writing the column ten fifteen years ago.
But it is. That's one of the things in our
business is urgency. I try to make sure I try
to make stories urgent. I'm not saying something I don't believe,

(59:33):
but you do have to create a sense of energy
and urgency. You can't go monotone and go here's another story,
like so you know, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
By the way, Frank rich veep, which is an incredible comedy.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
By the way, I did not know that Veep. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I don't know if you've seen Veep, but that's, of
course one of the great insult comedy shows ever saw.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
It so inappropriate some of the things they said. I'm like,
how do you HBO? Baby?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
HBO? Is how you get away with it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
So yeah, he's he's veeped in succession and a New
York Times columnist.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
That's awesome. What great?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
He's the best Yeah, best columnist I've ever read. And
I mean it was like the Sopranos. It was must
read on Sunday or must watch. Not that much does
it for me? Now it's streaming. I you know, my
wife's trying to get me into this Jason Bateman show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
With yeah, with Jude Law. I haven't started it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah, and I said, god, it's like six episodes. That's
such a commitment. I watched the Charlie Sheen Dock that
was two and that was enough. And I mean I
barely got through it because he was such a has
Matt spill It was exhausting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I watched episode one and I haven't hit play on
an episode two. It's just it's a long, slow trainer.
Have you have you done the Studio. Did you watch
the Studio?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
The Apple TV h so, so you know Hollywood loves
Hollywood and the last two Emmys a show about Hollywood
has won. So I watched an episode. I didn't get
the inside jokes. I am not anti Hollywood. I watched
the Oscars. I like movies. I go to the theater. Still,
I'm kind of I have you know, I've got a
deal with the Hulu ABC. Now I'm doing I've got another.

(01:01:16):
I have another deal. It'll be we just got our
first script done. I like it. I'm fascinated by it.
I don't get it. I feel like an outsider, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
What was your question?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I forget No you if you'd seen the Studio.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Oh, I watched Studio. I watched the first episode and
I didn't get a lot of it. It was a
lot of esoteric stuff and I just didn't get it.
And I thought, Okay, they're talking a mile over my head.
I didn't understand. Now, I watched years ago there was
a movie called The Player, which was similar in its
it's stylistically how it was kind of an inside joke
that for some reason I got. I didn't get the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Studio Okay, Yeah, I mean I love Seth Rogan and
so I and I thought the show shot beautifully and
so I thought it was hilarious and really well done,
and it got better as it went. So I was
just going to recommend it to you if you hadn't
seen it. There's some seriously hilarious cameos in it, and
it's absurdist comedy, but it's also shot beautifully cool cinematography.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
So I dug the show. I watched the first episode.
I didn't go to a second. So you're saying it gets.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Better, absolutely, and I think, listen, I don't listen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I don't know if twenty three Emmys is you know,
that seems that seemed a little much. And you're right,
these things that Hollywood loves Hollywood. But yeah, I was.
I was a big fan of the studio. But I
also like, I mean, I like most things that Seth
Rogen does. Like I like anybody who can convince studios
to give him like eighty million dollars to make end

(01:02:45):
of the World's comedy where him and his friends just
play themselves. Like his scripts, the pitches are like, you know,
an a sausage party, like we want to do an
R rated animated movie about grocery store items. And it's like, what, Like,
we like Pineapple Express. We want to do an action movie,

(01:03:06):
stoner comedy that involves shootouts and explosions.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
We'd like one hundred million dollars. You're like what? And
he gets them all done? So I love his brain.
Man Seth Rogen's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Danny Parkins, you are too, my friend. It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
We've got to do this more often because every time
I do it, we just go in a million directions.
I didn't do any prep for this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
That makes tower of us. Yeah, you call me every
five or six weeks, and I'm a little insulted. I
want to come on more so anytime. I don't bring
Nick right on as much because a bit. But you
hired Polker. Yeah, I hired and that's a good call.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Like I got what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I don't need you any more. Yeah, yeah, I realized
what happened there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Yeah, you know what's right with a little V next
to it, and so you don't need to bring anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I'm happy to fill the void, happy to thanks buddy. Yeah,
the volume.

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