Colin is joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to kick off the football season.
They start with Ohio State beating Texas, and their concerns with quarterback Arch Manning missing easy throws and showing a lack of elite arm strength (4:00). They recap Miami vs. Notre Dame and they argue that both teams look like top 10, playoff level teams (13:30).
They move to Florida State upsetting #8 Alabama and debate what went wrong for the Crimson Tide and whether head coach Kalen DeBoer’s more relaxed coaching style will work in the SEC (23:45).
They pivot to the NFL and discuss the Cowboys decision to trade star pass rusher Micah Parsons to the Packers and Colin argues it could be a win-win for both teams (33:45). John believes that the strong organizational culture could benefit Parsons, and Colin explains why he thinks Dallas could implode this season (40:00).
Finally, they review the betting lines for week 1 in the NFL and what they say about the 49ers, Seahawks, Bears, Vikings and more (52:15)!
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
We're doing it on a Monday night. Will usually do.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
This podcast on a Sunday night, and we're doing it
on a variety of college football topics. We'll talk to
Micah Parsons and NFL stuff on the way out. But
I think one of the things that's always been interesting
to me about college football's opening weekend. I don't usually
bet the opening weekend. I did not bet this weekend.
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I just watched games. There's no joint practices, there's no preseason.
When you get a young Texas quarterback, or you get
a young Notre Dame quarterback despite a really good coach
and a good roster, you put them on the road,
and you can really notice the difference with Garrett Nussbayer
at LSU, who's got all sorts of snaps. He goes
on the road, he looks great. You put these other
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young guys on the road. So my take on Texas
they may win ten straight. But I would say this
about arch Manning is that it wasn't that I thought
he was. I mean, he didn't really have a great
feel in the pocket. I think one of the things
that concerned me, though, John with arch Manning, he missed layups,
(02:13):
like the easy stuff I get overthrows up the sideline.
I've seen Brady on his first throw in the Super Bowl,
crank it up. Drew brees fly it over a guy's
head up the sideline. But were you concerned at all
watching him? How like the remedial stuff, skipping balls, missing
badly on stuff that should be nine out of ten,
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ten out of ten throws.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people that cover college football.
Everyone needs to pump the brakes, not overreact. No one
was expecting him to dissect a guy that spent twenty
years with Bill Belichick. So yeah, if he's gonna throw
some interceptions, no one cares. That's always been your thing.
You can throw some picks, Brett Fahr, Patrick Mahomes, good
for you, throw me forty touchdowns. I think you kind
(02:57):
of know when you see it when it comes to
certain athletes. Right, we were at liv Kepka. You just
watched them hit balls on the range, Like, damn, that
sounds pretty good. Right. I remember going to batting practice
when Bryce Harper was young playing the Giants. You just
went holy shit. Right, if you see Kayleb Williams spin
the ball, Whether he's gonna turn out to be a
good player or not, time will tell. But from throwing
(03:19):
the football, you're like, damn, that thing comes out of
it and you knew it right away at Oklahoma when
he came in for Spencer Ratler as a true freshman.
That to me is the most concerning part about Arch.
And listen, I didn't say it, so it sounds like
I'm just saying it now. But I remember watching high
school tape, just you know, the highlights at the school
he played at, New Orleans, and I didn't see a
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guy that like the best arm I've ever seen, but
everyone kept calling him a generational talent. Now, Peyton Manning
did not have a great arm. He threw what I
think he considered a wobbly spiral, right, But what was
Peyton the best fundamentals of all time and incredibly accurate. Well,
Arch doesn't look like the most accurate guy, and obviously
(04:01):
his ball is very wobbly. Let's go to Eli. Eli
was a little hit or missed with his accuracy, but
had a howitzer, had a big arm. And I'm watching
Arch and I go Obviously, he's tall, seems like a
great kid, people like him well, and he's athletic. Yeah,
but you watch him spin that ball. I would say
NFL people would say, based on first glance against a
real team, extremely average coming out of his hands, and
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that to be would be the concerning part. Quinn Yours
say what you want, Like when the ball came out
of his hands, he could kind of let it rip.
And now the conversation because fine Baum said or someone
had said recently, how it was maybe Jordan Rodgers or
I forget, but like, how couldn't this guy start over
Quinn Yours? And you know, sometimes it's complicated, but maybe
he simply wasn't as good. Maybe Sark went, he couldn't
(04:44):
say this out loud, but maybe he goes, well, Quinn
Yours was a better player last year.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, when he rolled out on his first throw, and
I mean he skipped it maybe seven to eight yards
before the receiver rolling out, and I thought, that's not
nerves like he That was a that wasn't close. And
then there were a couple easy ones and you're like, bro,
this this a I mean, he can move, but I
(05:10):
tend to. I mean, I again, I'm not there alive
when I watched that game, and you know I said
this on my reaction, Matt Patricia is going to make
some guys look really bad in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Defensive coordinators have to be good against the pass because
you're facing the world's best quarterbacks. In college you have
to be good against the run because you're not. You
may face one really elite quarterback even in the SEC
all season, maybe two. So Patricia's going to give college
quarterbacks problems. Sark said after the game. He goes, that
was elite coverage. That I mean, Sark admitted it. That
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was elite stuff. So we knew it wouldn't be pretty.
But I got to tell you when I watched it,
I was just one thing. I mean, I think he'll
be fine athletically. I think the old line you'll get
better protection. He'll succeed at some level. But you know,
what do they say the first eight minutes for a woman,
(06:08):
she makes a decision, the first eight throws you're a
former scout. It's kind of like, whoa, this isn't even
close to what it was build it was.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It was jarring because again, no one's judging him, anyone
worth their salt. Again, we're not like acting this at
the end, all be all, and I don't care about
the numbers. I don't even care about the interception he threw.
I'm just judging him on like what do his physical
traits look like and to me from a throwing standpoint,
they look pretty average because, like you said, Matt, Patricia
spent two decades with Bill, who is the greatest defensive
(06:41):
mastermind of all time. And the guy's a rocket scientists
like he's smart and they and they have the best player.
So it was gonna be challenging for him. Yeah, he
could have played well. Let's say he had lived up
the hype, and they easily could have lost as well.
But when you watch him throw, see I gave him
the benefit of doubt. On that first throw. I was like,
you know, walking out the shoe, there's eighty thousand people.
He's not an idiot. He knows what's been built up. Nerves.
(07:05):
He's really amped up. Urban had said on the pregame
he wouldn't have either quarterback because both guys are making
their first big start. One guy's literally making throw over
the middle for like the first quarter because like, balls
fly when your nerves. Let let him get into the
game a little bit. So I was like, I'm gonna
give him the benefit of that. But as the game
went on, it's like, Okay, he's not that nervous anymore. Yeah,
(07:25):
his ball just doesn't come out of his hand. He
throws it much more like Peyton, who if Peyton tried
to play like Mahomes or Josh Allen, it would have
looked horrible because he didn't have that physical trade. But
it was great fundamentals arches, like moving his arm all
out of the place. Yes, it was weird. It was weird.
I it was. It was pretty glaring. Because the game ends,
(07:46):
You're like, did I really just witness what I just witnessed?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah? And I think.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I think Ryan Day and I had said this. I
think Ryan Day I noticed it from TV. I think
Ryan Day knew very quickly by the second series, guys,
just we're gonna this is going to be our game.
Just don't lose it. I think Ryan Day went in
with a game plan thinking, hey, I may have to
(08:12):
get aggressive here. And I think after the second series
he was seeing what we're all seeing and he's twenty
thirty feet from it, which is, hey, guys, let's play
the field position game.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
We'll take a couple of shots.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Down field, but we're gonna we're gonna play the field
position game. We're going to get turnovers here because I thought,
you know, and remember what remember what Belichick made Sam
Darnold look like the first six times they played. So
this may be as bad as Arch plays, and there
may be no doubt about that. I mean, if they
score on the push push, you know, maybe he gains confidence,
they get different field position, whatever. But again, you have
(08:47):
to look at these throws. I mean, I've seen Brady
throw four picks. I've seen Mahomes throw bad picks.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's not it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It was mechanic.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
That's not even what we're talking about, right, it was
we're talking about all skipping off. See. To me, Ryan
Day said after the game, He's like, you know, one
thing I kind of regret is I was really impressed
with my quarterback coming off the field. What he was
telling me, He's like, he never truly know with a
young quarterback, do they see it like we're seeing it.
He's like he did, and I kind of kept the
(09:16):
training wheels on our offense. Yeah, He's like, I probably
could have given him more. To me, you're saying, Ryan
Day with Arch, like he sees that, right, I think
Sark's getting crushed because people are like, why I think
Sark that first play when he skipped that ball, I
think he went God I gotta settle this down because
he kept calling runs. The only reason they had thirty
(09:36):
pass attempts because the last what couple drives, they had
no choice. He would have gladly kept that game like
twenty pass attempts. To me, he was calling plays based
off his quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yes, and I think Ryan day Now is saying my
quarterback was telling me I see things, and Ryan's like, hey,
there's no reason.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To take risks.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, when you can be on the field and
see the body language you get, there are certain interpretation
that you can make as a coach. Yeah, I mean
Sark has not been good in big games. I think
we all know. They think he's like, you know, one
in six.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
What was he supposed to do? I've been critical of
him in other games. To me, that is on the quarterback,
not Sark. Yeah, when when the guy throwing balls like
this with the guy right in front of him, like
Sark is not telling him to do that. I do
not put that loss at Sarks. Team came ready to win,
his quarterback was completely over his head. I don't even
think that's debatable. Like Texas, those two teams, I mean
(10:28):
you could argue I watched like you. I'm sure every
single big game this weekend, those were the two most
talented teams removed the quarterback. If I put Nusmyer on
one of those two teams you know or you know
Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels, they'd be unstoppable. That the
talent and the physicality they have. But the difference in
that game was the one quarterback has made a couple
more plays and the other quarterback was just felt like
(10:48):
he was swimming the entire game. It's like, yeah, I
know he hit the one shot down the sideline, but
for the most part, you had no As the game
went on, you had less and less trust in him
making a throw.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
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So Notre Dame Miami listen, Miami looked the part CJ
Daniels with a catch that interception off a cleat. I
think they're two really good football teams. I was a
(11:21):
little disappointed in Notre Dame didn't. Jeremiah Love is an
All American running back. He's a really good player. He'll
be a high round pick. He only got ten touches.
I didn't love that, although I will say Miami's offensive
line gave Carson back a lot of time to throw.
I mean, Notre Dame got no pass rush, and so
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Carson Beck, who I don't really love, is a prospect,
but he's certainly good enough, you know, to get you
to a playoff and win playoff games in college football.
He's a way above average college quarterback. My interpretation of
that game is inexperienced quarterback CJ. Carr on the road
against a really good playoff level team.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That is a big ask.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I didn't think Notre Dame I would have gotten another
six touches or so.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
To love the running back.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I would have tried, but you know, he only averaged
three and a half yards of carry, so there wasn't
a lot there.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
When I watched that game, my feeling pretty strongly was
especially in the second half, John, I felt like we're
watching two playoff teams now.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Miami.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Schedule's tricky. They got Florida, they got Florida's state. I
think they have southern Florida. I mean they have all
those you know, schools in the state, and you know
those schools, there's a lot of animosity, and there's a
lot of high school players that played against each other
that that could be. I think they play South Carolina
at some point. So Miami schedules got some land mines here.
(12:47):
But I felt like I was watching the second half
two really good top ten teams, did you.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, for sure. I mean Miami at their defense, it
was kind of like a couple of years ago, you know,
with Jade Daniels at LSU. It's like if they just
played defense they last year their offense was unstoppable. You know, Mario,
who's an offensive line guy and his offensive coordinator, they're
clearly pretty good on that side of the ball. Oh yeah,
Mario's Mario's an elite recruiter. I mean he was like
that in Oregon, Dan Landing showed up. It was the
cupboard was not empty. I say all the time. You know,
(13:15):
Ryan Day took over a rocket ship. Mario left it
pretty good for Dan land Mario's an elite recruiter. People
have nitpicked him as an in game coach, and it
kind of felt last night it's like, got are they
imploding a little bit? And they didn't, but defensively they
were dramatically better to me, Carson Beck. Listen, he's clearly
not a number one overall pick, but he's a real player.
(13:36):
That's an NFL quarterback probably backup. But like you watched
him last night with much better players. Remember two years
ago with Brock Bowers and Lad mcconkee, he was a
real player. Last night with c J. Daniels, with that
seventeen year old freshman Tony, the little small guy, with
that offensive line, it was like geez Louise. The thing
With Notre Dame, I would say this, they are built
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basically carbon copy to the Shaw Harbors Stanford teams. Great defense, offensive,
the offense is gonna be built around the running backs
and the tight end. They are never gonna have Jamar
Chase or Ceedee Lamb outside. That's not the way.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
There's a way they have to win. And last night
when they could not get a pass rush just with four,
you just kind of feel like the whole game it's like, no, no,
Notre Dame has to win that. Remember against Indiana. If
Notre Dame wins the push up front, then all that
Harboss style asks sort of run the ball, control the clock,
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but they couldn't get they couldn't get pressure on.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Back and Freeman said that going into halftime, He's like,
we got to find a way to hit this guy,
and they were getting close and he would just let
the ball go and make place. The other thing was
and maybe it's ninety plus percent humidity, So they were
just gasped their offensive line at the end of the game.
And their right tackle look like me out there. It's
like part of the way Stanford dominated and even Notre
Dame last year with some injuries, is the offensive line
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has to be elite, and luckily you can find high academic,
high level offensive linemen at that school. They did forever
with Brian Kelly. Stanford did forever with harbon Shaw. But
that right tackle. The teams they're gonna play, I mean
A and m will have pass rushers, they will lose
those games if they can't protect in the biggest moments.
Now going into a game from think of the disadvantage
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that some of these teams are. We talk a lot
about Miami with McDaniel or whoever's coaching the Dolphins. When
they go into cold weather like it's eighty degrees, they're
going to play in negative too, like, of course they're
gonna lose. How do you prepare? You could say it's
the flip side when you're coming from Indiana and you
go to ninety percent humidity in South Florida that there's nothing.
You could go a couple days early, But how do
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you prepare for that during training camp? And it just
they showed little signs of life, but they were just
they fell off most of the game part of it.
Miami's really talented. Yes, you know, Miami's got some guys,
I would say Miami. I would say the same thing
about Florida State. When these teams do it right, they
play acc schedules with SEC players, like they got a
lot of guys at Florida State, Clemson at Miami when
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things are going well, it was starting all the SEC schools,
but they get a lot more Boston colleges and NC
State's mixed in there in their schedule. So like you tell,
you could convince me Miami's a ten win team, no problem.
I mean they won nine last year and they could
play defense. So I was really impressed. I was impressed
with both teams. Notre Dame could have folded and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, that's right. They were in trouble and then they
came roaring back.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
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Speaker 3 (16:32):
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Now I just did.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
There are sometimes things happen in sports, and most of
the time you and I can talk our way through it.
We make a couple of calls, we have contacts, We
can figure it out. Calin de Boor wasn't just a
good coach. He was almost unbeatable. With Washington's B to
B plus talent. Alabama's got much bigger size, much greater speed.
(17:02):
They couldn't run the ball at all. A Debor has
now lost, I believe, to four unranked teams. I didn't
know what to make a Tye Simpson. It's but I
don't have an answer, because you know, I follow Husky
football like I know their personnel really well and Pennix.
Maybe Pennix is better than I thought. And they also
(17:23):
had really good wide receivers roma Dunze Polk, they had
really good receivers. Washington was a quarterback receiver program, but
they're not terribly creative. They can't run the football. You know,
the nil. You're not going to buy out Kalin de
Boor for seventy and they then pay eighty five to
ninety for another coach. Plus Bama can barely afford the nil.
They're holding bake sales for that stuff. And I think
(17:45):
this is the SEC's fine. But I've been talking about
this for two years, and a lot of SEC schools,
the big car dealer is the rich guy. The car
dealer is like seventh to tenth in line, and a
lot of these programs like Oregon and Ohio State, Michigan,
Penn State, it's not just the car dealer.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's not how many hundred millionaires and billionaires does Marcus
Freeman meet as his alumni booster base.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Same with Michigan. So there's I mean, Brian Kelly's complained
about this a little bit. It was kind of predictable.
Small southern towns Alabama has maybe one or two big donors.
Bear Bryant's son I think is their biggest donor. He is,
But I don't know exactly what you do, and I
don't know how to explain it. I mean, I think
they're pretty ordinary at quarterback, that's pretty that's pretty clear.
(18:28):
They still recruit very well. But some of this, you know,
this goes back to Saban, like the first year of
the NIL when he started kind of grumbling about it,
and I had somebody who I trust tell me he
knows he can't compete with the Texas schools. He know,
he remember that last game he played Sark and Texas
(18:49):
was bigger on both sides of the ball. We hadn't
seen that in fifteen years. Even LSU didn't look like Alabama.
Maybe Georgia did.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I I just don't know the answer to solve this
because Deboor is it's off center.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I've always theorized, and I've told you about this about
regions in college football. Matter were in the NFL, Andy
Reid could coach Tampa, Kansas City, the Rams like that.
It doesn't matter in the NFL. In college it does.
There's a reason, like Kirby and Dabbo or in the South.
Not at the University of Washington or at Michigan. It
doesn't work. We saw rich Rod try to go to
Michigan and it flopped. You know, think about who duboer.
(19:28):
A couple of years ago, Fresno State played ASU and
I went to the tailgate and I went to the game,
and I was with a bunch of you know, older players,
but there was a young guy there who had just
played for both Tedford and Deboor and he said, you
know the thing about Klin, I was like, what, what's
his secret sauce? He's like, you know, he's actually pretty mellow.
He's not a raw, raw, intense you know Tedford, while
(19:48):
being a West Coast guy, He's from La Fresnel State,
Oregon cal kind of an old school hard ass like
Tedford might have been an outlier, probably could have pulled
off coaching in the South or coaching, you know, Ohio
State or something like that. Personality that is not Kaitlin.
I think, who Kaylen. I know, he technically didn't take
over for him, but he essentially did. Chris Peterson is
a cerebral He's a psychological like he's motivating by kindness,
(20:13):
kind of like a different version of Pete Carroll. Like
Pete Carroll resurrected his career at USC in two thousand
and one. In the early two thousands, I don't think
he could have done it at the University of Florida
or at Georgia. I don't think it works, and I
think everyone at that university, and I know we got
new players, but the administration, everyone around there was kind
of used to Nick Saban being the dictator. I mean
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Nick Tator was his name, and they kind of liked
it because everyone benefited, everyone got rich off it, and
you just kind of fell in line and he screamed
at you. It's weird, Like, obviously he's an impressive guy,
but he's an asshole in the football sense, in the
leadership sense. He had a Steve Jobs like quality to
him that it's hard to replicate that they don't really exist.
Urban kind of have that. Yeah, and it works. Now
(20:57):
you've got to come through. But there's a reason every
single form of play, whether you played in the NFL
or you didn't, the way they talk about him because
they know, like listen, if you just follow his lead,
he's leading you the right place. Caitlin's not like that.
And I think these guys at the program, on and
off the roster are used to Nick and his style
is the polar opposite. Look at Texas, you had mac
(21:18):
on when I was on your show. Max's kind of
an easy going you know, it's North Carolina, Texas here
thrived in Los Angeles. I bet everyone at the country
club loves Mac. He's sarks like that. So Texas. Actually,
Nick might not have worked there, remember when they were
gonna sign him like a decade ago. Yes, probably would
have failed. Maybe they needed to gut Pete Carroll. Probably
(21:39):
would have worked at the University of Texas. Yep, you
know where you know, you get Oklahoma stoops a little
more of a hard ass and venable like they've had historically,
a little bit more Barry Switzer, a little more edge
to him. Yes, And I just don't think in the South,
like at Florida, at Georgia, like whoever, if Kirby were
to leave the NFL in a couple of years, you
could not bring up Kirby is it is basically a
(22:00):
younger version of Nick and the I'm not just talking
about the players, I'm talking the entire school well kind
of feeds off that vibe. Kylin is just like goes
like there's been these weird reports about people up late.
It's like, I don't know, this is not going to
work well.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean it's it's I remember hearing a story years
ago somebody asked Nick Saban about coaching at USC. I mean,
like remember when Texas made a run at him and
there was talk that you know, USC would make a
run at him.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And somebody told me through like.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
A source of a source of a source. So I
don't know how accurate it is, but you know Nick
had said, you know, when you recruit in the South,
it's yes, sir, no, sir. It's very formal and respectful
with athletes. He goes, you recruit out West, they're on
their iPhone and when you're pitching them like they're they're
they're distracted kids from the big city. It's different, and
I think I think Nick worked in the South twice.
(22:51):
Remember when Nick got to the NFL. There were all
those discussions, no eye contact, don't talk to Nick. You
know how much is true? Stuff usually has there are
threads of truth and that stuff. My take is Nick
is a very intense guy, and he works in an
incredibly intense environment. He would be frustrated as hell going
to some of these like Las A fair program. USC
(23:13):
it's got that California cool kind of the beach thing.
I mean, they love football, but it's not every Pat
Hayden was always like when he was there, he would say,
we want our kids to have a life.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And that was not a thing with Saban.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Well, it's it's just a different human being, even though
we all live in America, you know, recruiting Santa Margarita
or Centennial Corona. I remember when I was with the Eagles,
Fletcher Cox was going to be a top fifteenth pick.
We end up trying he could bear back horses. So
the kids in the South, they're coming from much more
of a rural it's a different world. Yeah, you know,
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it's like they all are hunters, they're psychological makeup as
people is completely different than the West. I've never lived
in the South, yeah, but being around football and knowing
these guys, knowing people just through football. Spent most of
my time out here in the Northeast. We are wired
completely different than that region. Oh yeah, and now some
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of these quarterbacks right from this from southern California have gone.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Listen to my vacation in the summer in the Northeast,
it is very much a discussion is what IVY League kid,
What IVY League school did your kid go to? Like
the all entire families in this area that I'm in.
My wife and I just sort of laughed. I'm like
directional schools. She's ball State, you know, and we just
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sort of and we just laugh at it. It's like,
and the people are nice, they're gracious, they're not in
your face.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But it's just like.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It's Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn Talk, and it's just
the culture in the Northeast is the Ivy League and
it's academic, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I love all that his you know that tradition.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I didn't live it, but every one of our I
lived in the Pacific Northwest. It's crunchy, it is really liberal.
It is live and let live. In my high school,
half the a third of the class smoke pot. You know,
we had keggers every night. It was like it was
just it's just a different world. So I do think
Kaylin Debor may not be a perfect personality fit.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You know, the one, but they are stuck with him,
Like you said this notion, and listen, I've seen a
lot of like reputable people like, hey, could Gruden sixty
seventy million dollars to buy him out? The roster costs
twenty to thirty million dollars, so that's about eighty ninety
million dollars. And like you said, they don't want to
hire some random so that the next guy's going to
cost eighty ninety million. His coordinators are really expensive. It
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is a very very lucrative endeavor to pull the trigger.
What happened to Jimbo Fisher a couple of years ago.
That is not taking place anymore. So unless Kayln just
quits because he hates it there, and it's like, hey,
I could go back and coach cal or you know,
some school on the West coast, which makes much more
sense probably for him. He's not going to give up
that much money, so they are kind of stuck with him.
(25:50):
And listen that they've they've lived a pretty privileged life.
I mean, it'd be like they're at the level of
they had like Bezos or Larry Ellison's money, and now
they feel, you know, this isn't you know, I was
worth a couple of million. Now I got nothing. They
were living high on the hog, right, and this is
very glaring to them. I would also say that the
no ranked teams, I do think on a year to
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year basis. Two years ago, Florida State went thirteen and
oh the Rams best defensive player is now Jared Verse.
Either second or third best player is Braydon Fisk. Bernardo Green,
the corner starts for the forty nine ers. Keon Coleman
is the number one or two wide receiver for the Bills.
I mean that team is that was an SEC team.
So who what if we look back Florida State, like
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Miami and Clemson, like all three of those teams are
just really good this year. I think it's very possible.
I watched enough football to know those three teams have
a lot of talent on their rust. Right now, he did.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
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whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast. So I want to
get into the Micah Parsons trade. And this is why
I supported what the Cowboys did. As you know and
our fans know, everybody has different windows. When I start
the volume, we didn't have we couldn't take huge swings,
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we didn't have the revenue, we didn't even have a
sales department.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Now we do.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
There are different windows for companies, for teams, for franchises,
for people in their life. In your twenties, some guys
don't want to get married. They want to be all career.
By your thirties, you're thinking about kids and getting married.
We all have different windows and timelines. So Dallas, the
last two free agency periods, John had no flexibility. And
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my take is in the NFL, that's one of the
reasons the Chiefs let Tyreek Hill go and why Howie
Roseman is constantly letting good players go, keeping the great ones,
but he's always making deals because how he wants flexibility. Well,
the last two years the Cowboys have had none of it.
What would they have had if they signed mica a
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forty seven million Now they offered him forty but like
this team could not pay Dare Henry eight million and
they had unquestionably the worst running back room in the league.
So my take is they liked Micah they offered him
forty but to get two firsts. That's now four first
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in the next two years. And by the way, after
watching nuss Meyer and a Sam Levitt, the quarterback in
Arizona State, if they end up being one of the
six to seven worst teams, they may be able to
get a quarterback with their first pick and the next
Micah with their next pick.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
In the first round.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I mean they this is a draft where if you're
drafting in the top eight, you don't have to move
up to get potentially a really good quarterback. So in
green Bay in an incredibly deep, well coached offensive division
with Kevin O'Connell, mattlefflour, Ben Johnson, green Bay needs a
playmaker on the edge to get offenses off the field.
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And they, you know in our lifetime take out Reggie White.
They just don't have. Kenny Clark's a good interior against
the run. Cowboys can't stop the run. Kenny Clark comes in,
green Bay needs a playmaker on the edge to get
offenses off the field and get it back to Matt
Lafleur and Jordan Love. So I thought it worked for
both teams. Dallas's defense was bad with Micah, it'll be
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atrocious without him. But my take is the time to
move a superstar is in a rebuild year. And isn't
it clearly a rebuild year?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Well, can we just lay one thing on the table?
Is because most of the reaction has been pretty universal,
How could you trade Michah Parsons. There are untradable players
in the history of this league. You know, Walter Payton,
Reggie White, Deon Sanders, guys in their prime. They're just unsolvable.
That is not you can run at Michah Parsons. He
is not Reggie White. He's not even the best player
at his position in the league.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
By the way, you could argue, initially John somebody, they
put him in a stack linebacker inside and that people
didn't think he had good eyes, they didn't think he
anticipated well, so they pretty much let him be a
pass rush. Well, he's not as big as Hutches and
he's not as big as Miles Down. I would argue
he's a bit undersized, but they let him kind of
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play that see the ball, attack the ball position, and
it works. But he's a tradeable player percent. He's a
great athlete and he's an instinctive pass rusher. But you know,
if there's seventy plays in the game, they're not all
seventy pass attempts on third and ten. So we've seen
in the playoffs people run at him. That being said,
I think the issue that I have with this situation
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is anytime you trade a player of this magnitude like
they did with Khalil Mack too, right before that you're
getting future first round picks.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
You have no clue where they're going to be. They
could be excellent. We saw with Russell Wilson they ended
up and Matt Stafford trade. They go really high because
the team has an injury, but they also could be
back to back picks in the in the mid twenties.
When you trade a guy before the draft one, you
have more people coming to the table to be interested
in the trade because there's more teams with cap room
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and you can know exactly at least that given year
where that pick lands, so you can value it. I
do feel it was Do you think there was any
influence on Jerry with this documentary coming out, because you
watched that documentary, Go God Jerry and just hated that
guy was sharp, the guy was a maverick, that guy
was willing, and Jerry's kind of been a lot of
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people rightfully. Sullivan like, yeah, Jerry's kind of scared to
do deals well because a lot of people. I bet
my four oh one k my aggression looks a lot
different than yours. Right. I mean, I know it looks
a lot different than a guy that's seventy five years old,
like Jerry is just at a point in time in
his life. But I wonder if he's like, oh, you
think I won't do this? And obviously once Micah, you
can't convince me when Mike has showed up eating nachos
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and then laid on the training table. You know, Jerry's old, stubborn,
and the deal wasn't going that well in terms of
the negotiation. It was kind of like a double f you.
So he's just like, Okay, we're willing to trade him,
and they did.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Micah's agent is also an agent that has gotten his
client's good money and a lot of I think he's
the de Sean Watson's And if I recall, so he
signed a couple of deals where the teams look back
a year later and don't like the deal.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Now, I do think Micah off the Edge is exactly
what green Bay needs.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Again, Ben Johnson, Kevin O'Connell, you know Dan Campbell and
that old line. These offenses can keep your offense off
the field. So like, I like what green Bay did.
And the other thing about green Bay is is that
they've always been able to build good football teams. I
mean they for years they only drafted defense in the
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first round, and yet they had great old lines and
excellent tight ends. And green Bay drafts and develops very well.
Second round, third round, fourth round. You know, there are
teams in this league and when Bill Pollion ran the Colts,
they nailed their first two picks every time. Middle rounds man.
But green Bay has shown a history to pick up
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starters in the fourth and fifth and sixth round in
a much higher percentage than the rest of the league
over the last thirty years. So I think what they're
telling you green Bay likes this roster and they think
they got about a two to three year window to
make Hay, so they're rarely aggressive. I tip of the
cap to green Bay going for it.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think a lot of people, if you're a Packer fan,
was like, where was this move? Mid Aaron Rodgers right,
because that was our window And that was a big
reason that a lot of people are critical of Ted Thompson.
It's like, God, he's just kind of a kind of
a kind of conservative. When's he going to take a
big swing? And now they finally do it with Jordan Love,
We'll see if it works out. I like the Packers
before this move, I text a lot of people in
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the league asking him their thoughts. One universal take was
he's not like a troublemaker or anything, but Michael Parsons isn't.
Albert Breer reported about this when CD, when Zach Martin,
when Dak went through this, the locker room loves the guy.
That was not the reaction internally according to this. And
I had a GM who's very successful text me, like, listen,
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Green Bay there. Their organizational culture has been a lead
for thirty years. It's been very consistent. It's just an
easy place to operate. They're bringing in Micah, who comes
from a culture where it's just all over the map
in doubtas thing in the Micah Parsons bringing him in there,
he is now making way more money than everybody. They
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have an unproven, you know, still quarterback who you know
your quarterback is always kind of the leader of the team.
He's like, it is just there is some risk involved
when you factor in the finances, when you factor in
this big personality. He now is the face of the team. Uh,
It's just it's a pretty big It would have been.
His point was, like it would have been easier if
if you had Aaron, even if this guy at the time,
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whatever the economics were, was making more than Aaron. But
Aaron's the face of the team. Mike is now immediately
the face of the team. See what you want about
the Cowboys before this trade, Like still Dak was when
you turn on Sunday night football, is Dak's face, Like,
it's not even a question Micah parsons. So let's just
we'll see now they feel pretty good about their infrastructure.
Xavier McKinney. There are some questions fit right in. There's
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a big difference though, in the amount of money Xavier
McKinney's making in this guy who knows he's untouchable.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, I mean, Micah is a personality. You see it
in the podcast. I think he's not going to get
in trouble in Green Bay and not like you got
in a lot of trouble in Dallas. But you know, Micah,
Mike is a personality. And I think when you have
a week coaching staff or a week head coach, which
Schottenheimer is, I think my take was if this team
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started one in five and you signed Mike into a big.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Deal like Dallas is going to be atrocious.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I think why people acting like they just traded Lawrence Taylor,
because that's not what they just did. Well, you know
it's not. They weren't any good.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
If you were paying Dak forty four instead of what
you're paying him, then you could have then you guys
could have met at forty five million. All the problems
here start. And we know this, John, It's hard to
win when you pay Josh Allen top of the market salary. Okay,
it's it's hard. You're not going to have that second
slot receipt or that third really dependable you know, uh,
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interior lineback, you lose. I mean, you've seen this over
the last couple of years that Buffalo has moved off
multiple veteran players in the second.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Day half their team last year.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well, and that's and they're still winning with Josh Allen.
And Josh Allen took a reasonably team friendly deal. Dak
is a B quarterback making a plus money, so you are.
And he he needs an entourage. He is not Josh
Allen Lamar. So this the problems all stem from you
massively overpaid a b quarterback. And so I mean we people,
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and this is the case. The younger the media people,
the more they report pay the player. They're always pro player.
I have learned something over my life that like the
Rams could not trade Jared Verse, like this kid was
defensive Rookie of the Year. Like everybody's got a guy,
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even take out the quarterback. There's a guy like Sakwon
Barkley to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
They could win if he left.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
But boys with Jalen Hurts in the pocket sometimes a
little tenuous. If you trust him, they're just guys you
can't move. I will defend the Cede Lamb contract. I
think he's a top five or six receiver. He's a playmaker.
I just I wasn't comfortable making Mike of the highest
paid defensive end. I've seen him in a couple of
playoff games. He has been invisible in those games against
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better offensive linemen because.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
They run right at him. Right, that's right, as think, So,
how do I pay a guy? Now? I get what
the Packers need. I think it's easy for Jerry to go, well,
I'm gonna give a guy forty seven. I'm gonna match
this contract for a guy who's a liability in the
run game, and the Packers need that, and Rashaun Gary
is a much more complete player. I also defend the
Cowboys the timing. I don't. I mean, I would have
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traded him before the draft, but clearly they weren't planning
on doing it then. Right, he thought he could get
a deal done at forty million dollars. But when you
trade him now, they go, how did they only get that? Well,
as someone told me in the league a couple of
years ago, they said, this isn't the NBA, but players
now have more juice than they ever had. Twenty years ago,
a team would have been like, hey, even if the
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contract's not done, we will trade for this player if
you're over him, and we'll figure it out. We have
his control. Teams are not doing that anymore. So if
I'm going to trade multiple ones, there has to be
signed at the bottom line. Well, so Micah Parsons kind
of controlled had a big part in Mulgeda in where
he went, because you go, well, you could have got
more from Team X, who the Lions, the Raiders, whoever,
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they would have given two ones, two twos and a player. Well,
if they were offering twenty million dollars less than the
Packers salary. He goes, well, I'm not signing that contract
when this contract's on the table. So let's just say
there was another team willing to pay an extra high
draft pick, but they're the money. They go, we're not
paying him forty seven million a year and one hundred
and forty guaranteed. We'll give them a hundred and twenty guaranteed.
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Well he's like, I'm not signing that. Well, then they're
not going to trade him there, right because that team's like, well,
the trade doesn't it's not on the table then. So Parsons,
you know, there was an NBA element if he got
to dictate a little bit where he went, because you
were going to sign the contract the moment you traded him.
Khalil Mack several years ago the Bears, they signed when
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the trade is done. So the contract is a huge
part of the negotiation. So when I see all these people,
how did the Cowboys only get this because Parsons dictated
the terms by the contract And clearly I would imagine
some of the teams very interested were nowhere near in
the ballpark of what the Packers gave him, and this
is what makes the NFL so unique. This team without
an owner in the middle of nowhere, can pay a
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guy a historic amount of money. It's like the opposite
of baseball, which is cool and it's part of the NFL,
but pretty risky deal. I mean, this is I give
Gudakins a lot of credit, but he's kind of laying
it all out there on the table on this one.
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want to go through.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And I don't know if we'll do this on a
on a weekly bit, but I want to go through
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Week one. Odds Now, I'm going to throw a couple
of games at.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You, and just a couple of games that I looked
at and they kind of jumped out to me. So
you know my feeling on Seattle. I like Sam Darnold,
but I also think this is a really good coach
and so one of the lines. That confuses me a
little bit is that Seattle at home is getting two
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and a half point. Give me your take on the Niners' health.
I mean, they have real issues at wide receiver, so
if they're gonna beat Seattle, it's going to be some
running games.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You're not throwing the.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Ball downfield a ton on Seattle, and I think Seattle's
pass rush is going to be pretty good. I'm surprised.
It's My favorite pick of the week is Seattle at
home plus points. First of all to a division rivalry,
so these games are always close, so I love taking
even average Pittsburgh teams historically can cover against much better
Baltimore rosters division games. I generally take the points, but Seattle,
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I think top to bottom has more athletes in their prime. Hufunga,
gone Greenlawn gone, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey not in their prime.
I think Seattle has more athletes in their prime. Are
you surprised by that line?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think the market believes that Seattle's not going to
be that great because they're five to one to win
the division and the forty nine ers are like plus
one fifty. So based on the divisional odds. They are
a heavy long shot. If you look at every division,
they by far are the only team that has been
good the last several years. Nine wins, ten wins, and
it feels like Vegas gives them no chance to win.
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And this is a good example, Juwan Jennings. This wasn't
practice today, So they've rekindled. So you got Juwan Jennings
back with pierceall Kittle, you know McCaffrey, like, they actually
are offensively in theory healthy, Trent Williams Perdy coming into
this game. Yeah, I just think the market is pretty
low on Seattle. You and I are high on them.
My problem is whenever I bet on the Niners aggressively
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Super Bowls, they've bit me in the ass, and whenever
I bet against them, they always come through and win.
So I just I kind of stay away from the Niners.
But to me, there is not a better long shot
on the board to win their division than five to
one Seattle. They won ten games last year. They had
the same amount of wins as the team that we
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treat the Rams like. They're a thirteen fourteen win team.
They won ten. They won ten games last year. I
think they won ten games year before, and we just
we hold them to highest team rightfully so because they
have a really good coach, quarterbacks back in major trouble.
The forty nine ers at any moment, half their team
can be on injury reserve. I do not trust Kyler.
It is by far of the value that there's not
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a better on the board. And I'm with you, Seattle
can get weird. I do think divisional games Week one
can be hard to bet. Like I do think the
forty nine ers are gonna be pretty solid this year.
I think they got, for the first time in the years,
kind of a chip on their shoulder, kind of get
to fly under the radar a little bit. Sam Darnold's
you know, this is a first start with a new team.
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Offense a little different than what you know. Kevin o'connoll
likes to pass a lot, which is sam blite. I mean,
was they had justin Jefferson Koubiak like his dad, like Kyle,
He's gonna call a lot of runs. If they can
run the ball, they're gonna be really good play defense.
But what to see, I mean their run game. You know,
Kenneth Walker be healthy, Sharvion a we like.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Well brought in Robert Sala, and the reason being is
they don't have the same personnel. I mean, no, if
Bosa's dinged up, it's Fred Warner and cross your fingers.
It is really an I mean, I think we look
at the Niners and we just sometimes you fall into
this romance because for about four years they just had
incredible defensive personnel.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
They don't on the back end right now.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're gonna need kind of
like the Rams. Two years ago, you didn't know who
after roster was, and then a couple of years later
that they are just solidified players on defense, not counting verse,
you know who they drafted high, but a lot of
mid round, late round picks. They're gonna need that to happen.
And that's what the forty nine ers did originally, Right Kittle,
fifth round pick, Greenlaw, fifth round pick, Pertycept. They've hit
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on a lot of late round picks. That's how you
get good in the NFL. The Ravens let a lot
of guys hit free agency. Why because they crushed the
third through the seventh rounds. Because that's where you make
your hay in the end. Obviously, you got to hit
on first round picks. But when you get good in
the NFL, it's hard to pick in the twenties. That's
the one thing a lot of people are saying about
the Mica trade. It's like, well, the Packers are just
good back to back years. That's picked twenty five and
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twenty eight, right, It's hard to hit on those picks.
Ask Jerry. When they started winning games with McCarthy, they're
drafting Tyler Geidon, Tyler Smith. It's it's a lot harder
to It's much easier to draft in the top five
when Jamar Chase or Piney Sewell or Jayden Daniels is
staring at you. So I like Seattle this year. This
game to me is just I don't know, you convince
me Niners win. Seattle wins, Seattle kicks their ass, the
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Niners are into That's why Week one like I like
a lot of like the Titans, you know, the Panthers.
I like teams like that Week one that everyone just
thinks they're gonna suck. Some of the times these divisional games,
like Giants Commanders like I'm had to stay away from me. Yeah,
I don't, well, you tell me Giants win. I could
I could see it. Cowboys are the one that's like,
I have a hard time seeing them win.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, teams.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Convince themselves, even if they're Tennessee, they convince themselves.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Theyre a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
By week four or five, you start losing guys and
everybody in the room knows. But yeah, Tennessee getting over
it time touchdowns, the hook. I'd stay away from that one.
The other game that's fascinating to me is it does
matter you're allowed in Green Bay or at Jacksonville or
maybe a Seattle to have really ugly losses. You're not
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gonna get crushed Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's loud.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
So Chicago's an underdog at home getting a point and
a half against Minnesota, and Minnesota's a mystery team. I
don't know what JJ McCarthy is. I really do not know.
I've heard enough from people I trust. I got text
by somebody I really trust a few weeks ago he said,
it's a work in progress, but if Chicago loses at home,
it'll be a huge, huge night in Chicago. That shit
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could unarrival fast, really fast. If you had to make
a prediction, what do you think the Bears and Caleb
look like forget.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Winning and losing.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I mean, they're the underdog at home, which I kind
of like that position. But what do you think it
will look like.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think it's going to be really hard. I mean,
Caleb is much more talented of a thrower. But I
think there could be some parallels to the situation that
we saw with Arch in Texas trying to play offense
against Patricia. I mean, Flores is one of, if not
the best defensive coordinator in the league right now. Their
personnel is actually improved from last year. I like Minnesota
in this game, but I like you, I don't expect
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hard to say JJ's gonna come out and throw three
or four touchdowns. We'll see Chicago's defense a little overrated.
Are they quite as good as we thought they were
going to be like a year ago? I don't know,
but I could see them like I expect this to
be a lower scoring like seventeen to fourteen type game.
And if in that situation, I'm just gonna take Flores
in Minnesota and Kevin o'connwell, I mean, he's just listen.
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First game at home gets a little weird if you
have a couple of three and outs, like in a
moment like this, you're gonna need some positive early momentum
because if the crowd gets a little weird, if you
have a couple that first try again, it was a
preseason game against the Bills. Twos and threes, but he
drove him right down and all of Chicago took it,
just took a sigh of relief, right like, oh my god,
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he might be able to he might be okay. Because
the Ben Johnson thing they played the Chiefs. I watched
when I was flying to Hawaii that last preseason game.
They got their ass kicked early on and Ben Johnson
came out and said after the game like that's just unacceptable,
Like that's just too at this point in time, too sloppy. Well,
who were the Chiefs? A big time team that took
that game? Seriously, remember I told you when we were
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together like two and a half weeks ago, that second
preseason game, Andy, because they got their ass kicked by
Seattle the Bills. When they got their ass kicked by
the Bears, that's the point and time in camp where
he's been driving him, driving him. The legs are heavy,
But that last preseason game is more of a ramp
up especially with Kansas City starters play a little bit.
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You take it pretty seriously like you're coming into that
game with some some Well, the Bears tried to do
that too, and it did not go well. Now, in fairness,
Kansas City is like a dynasty, but minnesot was pretty good.
They won fourteen games.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Minnesota's got the better roster.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yes, yeah, I mean it would be like to me,
if Minnesota wins, it'd be yeah, Minnesota's good, right. I
don't think it's like it'd be big if JJ plays
like an elite level game. But even if he's just
kind of average on the road, just win, get out
of there. It's not like a we're not setting it
in stone the headline of their season. Whatever happens with
the Bears, right you lose, it gets weird. That's a
(49:27):
major story. They win, he plays well, beats Brian Flores,
that's a huge kind of monkey off everyone's back. Okay,
we might we might have. There's a lot that there's
there's not a game in the league Week one where
there's just more on the line because of the quarterback situations.
The hopes of that, like we said, the expectation for
this franchise anything less than nine and eight will feel awful,
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and even nine and eight if you miss the playoffs,
will be like, God, what what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I went through the schedule and it looks like eight
and nine, nine and eight to me, and I was optimist.
I had them splitting with their division. Bears don't split
with their division. They went one in five last year.
They don't split in their division. So okay, John and
I chopped it up. We are now both gonna go
watch Belichick and TCU and I can't wait for that.
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am back to work tomorrow, buddy, and it's great seeing you.
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:07):
This podcast on a Sunday night, and we're doing it
on a variety of college football topics. We'll talk to
Micah Parsons and NFL stuff on the way out. But
I think one of the things that's always been interesting
to me about college football's opening weekend. I don't usually
bet the opening weekend. I did not bet this weekend.
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I just watched games. There's no joint practices, there's no preseason.
When you get a young Texas quarterback, or you get
a young Notre Dame quarterback despite a really good coach
and a good roster, you put them on the road,
and you can really notice the difference with Garrett Nussbayer
at LSU, who's got all sorts of snaps. He goes
on the road, he looks great. You put these other
(01:50):
young guys on the road. So my take on Texas
they may win ten straight. But I would say this
about arch Manning is that it wasn't that I thought
he was. I mean, he didn't really have a great
feel in the pocket. I think one of the things
that concerned me, though, John with arch Manning, he missed layups,
(02:13):
like the easy stuff I get overthrows up the sideline.
I've seen Brady on his first throw in the Super Bowl,
crank it up. Drew brees fly it over a guy's
head up the sideline. But were you concerned at all
watching him? How like the remedial stuff, skipping balls, missing
badly on stuff that should be nine out of ten,
(02:33):
ten out of ten throws.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people that cover college football.
Everyone needs to pump the brakes, not overreact. No one
was expecting him to dissect a guy that spent twenty
years with Bill Belichick. So yeah, if he's gonna throw
some interceptions, no one cares. That's always been your thing.
You can throw some picks, Brett Fahr, Patrick Mahomes, good
for you, throw me forty touchdowns. I think you kind
(02:57):
of know when you see it when it comes to
certain athletes. Right, we were at liv Kepka. You just
watched them hit balls on the range, Like, damn, that
sounds pretty good. Right. I remember going to batting practice
when Bryce Harper was young playing the Giants. You just
went holy shit. Right, if you see Kayleb Williams spin
the ball, Whether he's gonna turn out to be a
good player or not, time will tell. But from throwing
(03:19):
the football, you're like, damn, that thing comes out of
it and you knew it right away at Oklahoma when
he came in for Spencer Ratler as a true freshman.
That to me is the most concerning part about Arch.
And listen, I didn't say it, so it sounds like
I'm just saying it now. But I remember watching high
school tape, just you know, the highlights at the school
he played at, New Orleans, and I didn't see a
(03:40):
guy that like the best arm I've ever seen, but
everyone kept calling him a generational talent. Now, Peyton Manning
did not have a great arm. He threw what I
think he considered a wobbly spiral, right, But what was
Peyton the best fundamentals of all time and incredibly accurate. Well,
Arch doesn't look like the most accurate guy, and obviously
(04:01):
his ball is very wobbly. Let's go to Eli. Eli
was a little hit or missed with his accuracy, but
had a howitzer, had a big arm. And I'm watching
Arch and I go Obviously, he's tall, seems like a
great kid, people like him well, and he's athletic. Yeah,
but you watch him spin that ball. I would say
NFL people would say, based on first glance against a
real team, extremely average coming out of his hands, and
(04:23):
that to be would be the concerning part. Quinn Yours
say what you want, Like when the ball came out
of his hands, he could kind of let it rip.
And now the conversation because fine Baum said or someone
had said recently, how it was maybe Jordan Rodgers or
I forget, but like, how couldn't this guy start over
Quinn Yours? And you know, sometimes it's complicated, but maybe
he simply wasn't as good. Maybe Sark went, he couldn't
(04:44):
say this out loud, but maybe he goes, well, Quinn
Yours was a better player last year.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, when he rolled out on his first throw, and
I mean he skipped it maybe seven to eight yards
before the receiver rolling out, and I thought, that's not
nerves like he That was a that wasn't close. And
then there were a couple easy ones and you're like, bro,
this this a I mean, he can move, but I
(05:10):
tend to. I mean, I again, I'm not there alive
when I watched that game, and you know I said
this on my reaction, Matt Patricia is going to make
some guys look really bad in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Defensive coordinators have to be good against the pass because
you're facing the world's best quarterbacks. In college you have
to be good against the run because you're not. You
may face one really elite quarterback even in the SEC
all season, maybe two. So Patricia's going to give college
quarterbacks problems. Sark said after the game. He goes, that
was elite coverage. That I mean, Sark admitted it. That
(05:47):
was elite stuff. So we knew it wouldn't be pretty.
But I got to tell you when I watched it,
I was just one thing. I mean, I think he'll
be fine athletically. I think the old line you'll get
better protection. He'll succeed at some level. But you know,
what do they say the first eight minutes for a woman,
(06:08):
she makes a decision, the first eight throws you're a
former scout. It's kind of like, whoa, this isn't even
close to what it was build it was.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It was jarring because again, no one's judging him, anyone
worth their salt. Again, we're not like acting this at
the end, all be all, and I don't care about
the numbers. I don't even care about the interception he threw.
I'm just judging him on like what do his physical
traits look like and to me from a throwing standpoint,
they look pretty average because, like you said, Matt, Patricia
spent two decades with Bill, who is the greatest defensive
(06:41):
mastermind of all time. And the guy's a rocket scientists
like he's smart and they and they have the best player.
So it was gonna be challenging for him. Yeah, he
could have played well. Let's say he had lived up
the hype, and they easily could have lost as well.
But when you watch him throw, see I gave him
the benefit of doubt. On that first throw. I was like,
you know, walking out the shoe, there's eighty thousand people.
He's not an idiot. He knows what's been built up. Nerves.
(07:05):
He's really amped up. Urban had said on the pregame
he wouldn't have either quarterback because both guys are making
their first big start. One guy's literally making throw over
the middle for like the first quarter because like, balls
fly when your nerves. Let let him get into the
game a little bit. So I was like, I'm gonna
give him the benefit of that. But as the game
went on, it's like, Okay, he's not that nervous anymore. Yeah,
(07:25):
his ball just doesn't come out of his hand. He
throws it much more like Peyton, who if Peyton tried
to play like Mahomes or Josh Allen, it would have
looked horrible because he didn't have that physical trade. But
it was great fundamentals arches, like moving his arm all
out of the place. Yes, it was weird. It was weird.
I it was. It was pretty glaring. Because the game ends,
(07:46):
You're like, did I really just witness what I just witnessed?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah? And I think.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I think Ryan Day and I had said this. I
think Ryan Day I noticed it from TV. I think
Ryan Day knew very quickly by the second series, guys,
just we're gonna this is going to be our game.
Just don't lose it. I think Ryan Day went in
with a game plan thinking, hey, I may have to
(08:12):
get aggressive here. And I think after the second series
he was seeing what we're all seeing and he's twenty
thirty feet from it, which is, hey, guys, let's play
the field position game.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
We'll take a couple of shots.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Down field, but we're gonna we're gonna play the field
position game. We're going to get turnovers here because I thought,
you know, and remember what remember what Belichick made Sam
Darnold look like the first six times they played. So
this may be as bad as Arch plays, and there
may be no doubt about that. I mean, if they
score on the push push, you know, maybe he gains confidence,
they get different field position, whatever. But again, you have
(08:47):
to look at these throws. I mean, I've seen Brady
throw four picks. I've seen Mahomes throw bad picks.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's not it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It was mechanic.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
That's not even what we're talking about, right, it was
we're talking about all skipping off. See. To me, Ryan
Day said after the game, He's like, you know, one
thing I kind of regret is I was really impressed
with my quarterback coming off the field. What he was
telling me, He's like, he never truly know with a
young quarterback, do they see it like we're seeing it.
He's like he did, and I kind of kept the
(09:16):
training wheels on our offense. Yeah, He's like, I probably
could have given him more. To me, you're saying, Ryan
Day with Arch, like he sees that, right, I think
Sark's getting crushed because people are like, why I think
Sark that first play when he skipped that ball, I
think he went God I gotta settle this down because
he kept calling runs. The only reason they had thirty
(09:36):
pass attempts because the last what couple drives, they had
no choice. He would have gladly kept that game like
twenty pass attempts. To me, he was calling plays based
off his quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yes, and I think Ryan day Now is saying my
quarterback was telling me I see things, and Ryan's like, hey,
there's no reason.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To take risks.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, when you can be on the field and
see the body language you get, there are certain interpretation
that you can make as a coach. Yeah, I mean
Sark has not been good in big games. I think
we all know. They think he's like, you know, one
in six.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
What was he supposed to do? I've been critical of
him in other games. To me, that is on the quarterback,
not Sark. Yeah, when when the guy throwing balls like
this with the guy right in front of him, like
Sark is not telling him to do that. I do
not put that loss at Sarks. Team came ready to win,
his quarterback was completely over his head. I don't even
think that's debatable. Like Texas, those two teams, I mean
(10:28):
you could argue I watched like you. I'm sure every
single big game this weekend, those were the two most
talented teams removed the quarterback. If I put Nusmyer on
one of those two teams you know or you know
Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels, they'd be unstoppable. That the
talent and the physicality they have. But the difference in
that game was the one quarterback has made a couple
more plays and the other quarterback was just felt like
(10:48):
he was swimming the entire game. It's like, yeah, I
know he hit the one shot down the sideline, but
for the most part, you had no As the game
went on, you had less and less trust in him
making a throw.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
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So Notre Dame Miami listen, Miami looked the part CJ
Daniels with a catch that interception off a cleat. I
think they're two really good football teams. I was a
(11:21):
little disappointed in Notre Dame didn't. Jeremiah Love is an
All American running back. He's a really good player. He'll
be a high round pick. He only got ten touches.
I didn't love that, although I will say Miami's offensive
line gave Carson back a lot of time to throw.
I mean, Notre Dame got no pass rush, and so
(11:42):
Carson Beck, who I don't really love, is a prospect,
but he's certainly good enough, you know, to get you
to a playoff and win playoff games in college football.
He's a way above average college quarterback. My interpretation of
that game is inexperienced quarterback CJ. Carr on the road
against a really good playoff level team.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That is a big ask.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I didn't think Notre Dame I would have gotten another
six touches or so.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
To love the running back.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I would have tried, but you know, he only averaged
three and a half yards of carry, so there wasn't
a lot there.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
When I watched that game, my feeling pretty strongly was
especially in the second half, John, I felt like we're
watching two playoff teams now.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Miami.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Schedule's tricky. They got Florida, they got Florida's state. I
think they have southern Florida. I mean they have all
those you know, schools in the state, and you know
those schools, there's a lot of animosity, and there's a
lot of high school players that played against each other
that that could be. I think they play South Carolina
at some point. So Miami schedules got some land mines here.
(12:47):
But I felt like I was watching the second half
two really good top ten teams, did you.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, for sure. I mean Miami at their defense, it
was kind of like a couple of years ago, you know,
with Jade Daniels at LSU. It's like if they just
played defense they last year their offense was unstoppable. You know, Mario,
who's an offensive line guy and his offensive coordinator, they're
clearly pretty good on that side of the ball. Oh yeah,
Mario's Mario's an elite recruiter. I mean he was like
that in Oregon, Dan Landing showed up. It was the
cupboard was not empty. I say all the time. You know,
(13:15):
Ryan Day took over a rocket ship. Mario left it
pretty good for Dan land Mario's an elite recruiter. People
have nitpicked him as an in game coach, and it
kind of felt last night it's like, got are they
imploding a little bit? And they didn't, but defensively they
were dramatically better to me, Carson Beck. Listen, he's clearly
not a number one overall pick, but he's a real player.
(13:36):
That's an NFL quarterback probably backup. But like you watched
him last night with much better players. Remember two years
ago with Brock Bowers and Lad mcconkee, he was a
real player. Last night with c J. Daniels, with that
seventeen year old freshman Tony, the little small guy, with
that offensive line, it was like geez Louise. The thing
With Notre Dame, I would say this, they are built
(13:57):
basically carbon copy to the Shaw Harbors Stanford teams. Great defense, offensive,
the offense is gonna be built around the running backs
and the tight end. They are never gonna have Jamar
Chase or Ceedee Lamb outside. That's not the way.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
There's a way they have to win. And last night
when they could not get a pass rush just with four,
you just kind of feel like the whole game it's like, no, no,
Notre Dame has to win that. Remember against Indiana. If
Notre Dame wins the push up front, then all that
Harboss style asks sort of run the ball, control the clock,
(14:31):
but they couldn't get they couldn't get pressure on.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Back and Freeman said that going into halftime, He's like,
we got to find a way to hit this guy,
and they were getting close and he would just let
the ball go and make place. The other thing was
and maybe it's ninety plus percent humidity, So they were
just gasped their offensive line at the end of the game.
And their right tackle look like me out there. It's
like part of the way Stanford dominated and even Notre
Dame last year with some injuries, is the offensive line
(14:53):
has to be elite, and luckily you can find high academic,
high level offensive linemen at that school. They did forever
with Brian Kelly. Stanford did forever with harbon Shaw. But
that right tackle. The teams they're gonna play, I mean
A and m will have pass rushers, they will lose
those games if they can't protect in the biggest moments.
Now going into a game from think of the disadvantage
(15:14):
that some of these teams are. We talk a lot
about Miami with McDaniel or whoever's coaching the Dolphins. When
they go into cold weather like it's eighty degrees, they're
going to play in negative too, like, of course they're
gonna lose. How do you prepare? You could say it's
the flip side when you're coming from Indiana and you
go to ninety percent humidity in South Florida that there's nothing.
You could go a couple days early, But how do
(15:35):
you prepare for that during training camp? And it just
they showed little signs of life, but they were just
they fell off most of the game part of it.
Miami's really talented. Yes, you know, Miami's got some guys,
I would say Miami. I would say the same thing
about Florida State. When these teams do it right, they
play acc schedules with SEC players, like they got a
lot of guys at Florida State, Clemson at Miami when
(15:58):
things are going well, it was starting all the SEC schools,
but they get a lot more Boston colleges and NC
State's mixed in there in their schedule. So like you tell,
you could convince me Miami's a ten win team, no problem.
I mean they won nine last year and they could
play defense. So I was really impressed. I was impressed
with both teams. Notre Dame could have folded and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, that's right. They were in trouble and then they
came roaring back.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
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Speaker 3 (16:32):
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Speaker 2 (16:38):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
There are sometimes things happen in sports, and most of
the time you and I can talk our way through it.
We make a couple of calls, we have contacts, We
can figure it out. Calin de Boor wasn't just a
good coach. He was almost unbeatable. With Washington's B to
B plus talent. Alabama's got much bigger size, much greater speed.
(17:02):
They couldn't run the ball at all. A Debor has
now lost, I believe, to four unranked teams. I didn't
know what to make a Tye Simpson. It's but I
don't have an answer, because you know, I follow Husky
football like I know their personnel really well and Pennix.
Maybe Pennix is better than I thought. And they also
(17:23):
had really good wide receivers roma Dunze Polk, they had
really good receivers. Washington was a quarterback receiver program, but
they're not terribly creative. They can't run the football. You know,
the nil. You're not going to buy out Kalin de
Boor for seventy and they then pay eighty five to
ninety for another coach. Plus Bama can barely afford the nil.
They're holding bake sales for that stuff. And I think
(17:45):
this is the SEC's fine. But I've been talking about
this for two years, and a lot of SEC schools,
the big car dealer is the rich guy. The car
dealer is like seventh to tenth in line, and a
lot of these programs like Oregon and Ohio State, Michigan,
Penn State, it's not just the car dealer.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's not how many hundred millionaires and billionaires does Marcus
Freeman meet as his alumni booster base.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Same with Michigan. So there's I mean, Brian Kelly's complained
about this a little bit. It was kind of predictable.
Small southern towns Alabama has maybe one or two big donors.
Bear Bryant's son I think is their biggest donor. He is,
But I don't know exactly what you do, and I
don't know how to explain it. I mean, I think
they're pretty ordinary at quarterback, that's pretty that's pretty clear.
(18:28):
They still recruit very well. But some of this, you know,
this goes back to Saban, like the first year of
the NIL when he started kind of grumbling about it,
and I had somebody who I trust tell me he
knows he can't compete with the Texas schools. He know,
he remember that last game he played Sark and Texas
(18:49):
was bigger on both sides of the ball. We hadn't
seen that in fifteen years. Even LSU didn't look like Alabama.
Maybe Georgia did.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I I just don't know the answer to solve this
because Deboor is it's off center.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I've always theorized, and I've told you about this about
regions in college football. Matter were in the NFL, Andy
Reid could coach Tampa, Kansas City, the Rams like that.
It doesn't matter in the NFL. In college it does.
There's a reason, like Kirby and Dabbo or in the South.
Not at the University of Washington or at Michigan. It
doesn't work. We saw rich Rod try to go to
Michigan and it flopped. You know, think about who duboer.
(19:28):
A couple of years ago, Fresno State played ASU and
I went to the tailgate and I went to the game,
and I was with a bunch of you know, older players,
but there was a young guy there who had just
played for both Tedford and Deboor and he said, you
know the thing about Klin, I was like, what, what's
his secret sauce? He's like, you know, he's actually pretty mellow.
He's not a raw, raw, intense you know Tedford, while
(19:48):
being a West Coast guy, He's from La Fresnel State,
Oregon cal kind of an old school hard ass like
Tedford might have been an outlier, probably could have pulled
off coaching in the South or coaching, you know, Ohio
State or something like that. Personality that is not Kaitlin.
I think, who Kaylen. I know, he technically didn't take
over for him, but he essentially did. Chris Peterson is
a cerebral He's a psychological like he's motivating by kindness,
(20:13):
kind of like a different version of Pete Carroll. Like
Pete Carroll resurrected his career at USC in two thousand
and one. In the early two thousands, I don't think
he could have done it at the University of Florida
or at Georgia. I don't think it works, and I
think everyone at that university, and I know we got
new players, but the administration, everyone around there was kind
of used to Nick Saban being the dictator. I mean
(20:35):
Nick Tator was his name, and they kind of liked
it because everyone benefited, everyone got rich off it, and
you just kind of fell in line and he screamed
at you. It's weird, Like, obviously he's an impressive guy,
but he's an asshole in the football sense, in the
leadership sense. He had a Steve Jobs like quality to
him that it's hard to replicate that they don't really exist.
Urban kind of have that. Yeah, and it works. Now
(20:57):
you've got to come through. But there's a reason every
single form of play, whether you played in the NFL
or you didn't, the way they talk about him because
they know, like listen, if you just follow his lead,
he's leading you the right place. Caitlin's not like that.
And I think these guys at the program, on and
off the roster are used to Nick and his style
is the polar opposite. Look at Texas, you had mac
(21:18):
on when I was on your show. Max's kind of
an easy going you know, it's North Carolina, Texas here
thrived in Los Angeles. I bet everyone at the country
club loves Mac. He's sarks like that. So Texas. Actually,
Nick might not have worked there, remember when they were
gonna sign him like a decade ago. Yes, probably would
have failed. Maybe they needed to gut Pete Carroll. Probably
(21:39):
would have worked at the University of Texas. Yep, you
know where you know, you get Oklahoma stoops a little
more of a hard ass and venable like they've had historically,
a little bit more Barry Switzer, a little more edge
to him. Yes, And I just don't think in the South,
like at Florida, at Georgia, like whoever, if Kirby were
to leave the NFL in a couple of years, you
could not bring up Kirby is it is basically a
(22:00):
younger version of Nick and the I'm not just talking
about the players, I'm talking the entire school well kind
of feeds off that vibe. Kylin is just like goes
like there's been these weird reports about people up late.
It's like, I don't know, this is not going to
work well.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean it's it's I remember hearing a story years
ago somebody asked Nick Saban about coaching at USC. I mean,
like remember when Texas made a run at him and
there was talk that you know, USC would make a
run at him.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And somebody told me through like.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
A source of a source of a source. So I
don't know how accurate it is, but you know Nick
had said, you know, when you recruit in the South,
it's yes, sir, no, sir. It's very formal and respectful
with athletes. He goes, you recruit out West, they're on
their iPhone and when you're pitching them like they're they're
they're distracted kids from the big city. It's different, and
I think I think Nick worked in the South twice.
(22:51):
Remember when Nick got to the NFL. There were all
those discussions, no eye contact, don't talk to Nick. You
know how much is true? Stuff usually has there are
threads of truth and that stuff. My take is Nick
is a very intense guy, and he works in an
incredibly intense environment. He would be frustrated as hell going
to some of these like Las A fair program. USC
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it's got that California cool kind of the beach thing.
I mean, they love football, but it's not every Pat
Hayden was always like when he was there, he would say,
we want our kids to have a life.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And that was not a thing with Saban.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Well, it's it's just a different human being, even though
we all live in America, you know, recruiting Santa Margarita
or Centennial Corona. I remember when I was with the Eagles,
Fletcher Cox was going to be a top fifteenth pick.
We end up trying he could bear back horses. So
the kids in the South, they're coming from much more
of a rural it's a different world. Yeah, you know,
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it's like they all are hunters, they're psychological makeup as
people is completely different than the West. I've never lived
in the South, yeah, but being around football and knowing
these guys, knowing people just through football. Spent most of
my time out here in the Northeast. We are wired
completely different than that region. Oh yeah, and now some
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of these quarterbacks right from this from southern California have gone.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Listen to my vacation in the summer in the Northeast,
it is very much a discussion is what IVY League kid,
What IVY League school did your kid go to? Like
the all entire families in this area that I'm in.
My wife and I just sort of laughed. I'm like
directional schools. She's ball State, you know, and we just
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sort of and we just laugh at it. It's like,
and the people are nice, they're gracious, they're not in
your face.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But it's just like.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It's Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn Talk, and it's just
the culture in the Northeast is the Ivy League and
it's academic, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I love all that his you know that tradition.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I didn't live it, but every one of our I
lived in the Pacific Northwest. It's crunchy, it is really liberal.
It is live and let live. In my high school,
half the a third of the class smoke pot. You know,
we had keggers every night. It was like it was
just it's just a different world. So I do think
Kaylin Debor may not be a perfect personality fit.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You know, the one, but they are stuck with him,
Like you said this notion, and listen, I've seen a
lot of like reputable people like, hey, could Gruden sixty
seventy million dollars to buy him out? The roster costs
twenty to thirty million dollars, so that's about eighty ninety
million dollars. And like you said, they don't want to
hire some random so that the next guy's going to
cost eighty ninety million. His coordinators are really expensive. It
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is a very very lucrative endeavor to pull the trigger.
What happened to Jimbo Fisher a couple of years ago.
That is not taking place anymore. So unless Kayln just
quits because he hates it there, and it's like, hey,
I could go back and coach cal or you know,
some school on the West coast, which makes much more
sense probably for him. He's not going to give up
that much money, so they are kind of stuck with him.
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And listen that they've they've lived a pretty privileged life.
I mean, it'd be like they're at the level of
they had like Bezos or Larry Ellison's money, and now
they feel, you know, this isn't you know, I was
worth a couple of million. Now I got nothing. They
were living high on the hog, right, and this is
very glaring to them. I would also say that the
no ranked teams, I do think on a year to
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year basis. Two years ago, Florida State went thirteen and
oh the Rams best defensive player is now Jared Verse.
Either second or third best player is Braydon Fisk. Bernardo Green,
the corner starts for the forty nine ers. Keon Coleman
is the number one or two wide receiver for the Bills.
I mean that team is that was an SEC team.
So who what if we look back Florida State, like
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Miami and Clemson, like all three of those teams are
just really good this year. I think it's very possible.
I watched enough football to know those three teams have
a lot of talent on their rust. Right now, he did.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
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whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast. So I want to
get into the Micah Parsons trade. And this is why
I supported what the Cowboys did. As you know and
our fans know, everybody has different windows. When I start
the volume, we didn't have we couldn't take huge swings,
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we didn't have the revenue, we didn't even have a
sales department.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Now we do.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
There are different windows for companies, for teams, for franchises,
for people in their life. In your twenties, some guys
don't want to get married. They want to be all career.
By your thirties, you're thinking about kids and getting married.
We all have different windows and timelines. So Dallas, the
last two free agency periods, John had no flexibility. And
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my take is in the NFL, that's one of the
reasons the Chiefs let Tyreek Hill go and why Howie
Roseman is constantly letting good players go, keeping the great ones,
but he's always making deals because how he wants flexibility. Well,
the last two years the Cowboys have had none of it.
What would they have had if they signed mica a
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forty seven million Now they offered him forty but like
this team could not pay Dare Henry eight million and
they had unquestionably the worst running back room in the league.
So my take is they liked Micah they offered him
forty but to get two firsts. That's now four first
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in the next two years. And by the way, after
watching nuss Meyer and a Sam Levitt, the quarterback in
Arizona State, if they end up being one of the
six to seven worst teams, they may be able to
get a quarterback with their first pick and the next
Micah with their next pick.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
In the first round.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I mean they this is a draft where if you're
drafting in the top eight, you don't have to move
up to get potentially a really good quarterback. So in
green Bay in an incredibly deep, well coached offensive division
with Kevin O'Connell, mattlefflour, Ben Johnson, green Bay needs a
playmaker on the edge to get offenses off the field.
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And they, you know in our lifetime take out Reggie White.
They just don't have. Kenny Clark's a good interior against
the run. Cowboys can't stop the run. Kenny Clark comes in,
green Bay needs a playmaker on the edge to get
offenses off the field and get it back to Matt
Lafleur and Jordan Love. So I thought it worked for
both teams. Dallas's defense was bad with Micah, it'll be
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atrocious without him. But my take is the time to
move a superstar is in a rebuild year. And isn't
it clearly a rebuild year?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Well, can we just lay one thing on the table?
Is because most of the reaction has been pretty universal,
How could you trade Michah Parsons. There are untradable players
in the history of this league. You know, Walter Payton,
Reggie White, Deon Sanders, guys in their prime. They're just unsolvable.
That is not you can run at Michah Parsons. He
is not Reggie White. He's not even the best player
at his position in the league.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
By the way, you could argue, initially John somebody, they
put him in a stack linebacker inside and that people
didn't think he had good eyes, they didn't think he
anticipated well, so they pretty much let him be a
pass rush. Well, he's not as big as Hutches and
he's not as big as Miles Down. I would argue
he's a bit undersized, but they let him kind of
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play that see the ball, attack the ball position, and
it works. But he's a tradeable player percent. He's a
great athlete and he's an instinctive pass rusher. But you know,
if there's seventy plays in the game, they're not all
seventy pass attempts on third and ten. So we've seen
in the playoffs people run at him. That being said,
I think the issue that I have with this situation
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is anytime you trade a player of this magnitude like
they did with Khalil Mack too, right before that you're
getting future first round picks.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
You have no clue where they're going to be. They
could be excellent. We saw with Russell Wilson they ended
up and Matt Stafford trade. They go really high because
the team has an injury, but they also could be
back to back picks in the in the mid twenties.
When you trade a guy before the draft one, you
have more people coming to the table to be interested
in the trade because there's more teams with cap room
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and you can know exactly at least that given year
where that pick lands, so you can value it. I
do feel it was Do you think there was any
influence on Jerry with this documentary coming out, because you
watched that documentary, Go God Jerry and just hated that
guy was sharp, the guy was a maverick, that guy
was willing, and Jerry's kind of been a lot of
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people rightfully. Sullivan like, yeah, Jerry's kind of scared to
do deals well because a lot of people. I bet
my four oh one k my aggression looks a lot
different than yours. Right. I mean, I know it looks
a lot different than a guy that's seventy five years old,
like Jerry is just at a point in time in
his life. But I wonder if he's like, oh, you
think I won't do this? And obviously once Micah, you
can't convince me when Mike has showed up eating nachos
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and then laid on the training table. You know, Jerry's old, stubborn,
and the deal wasn't going that well in terms of
the negotiation. It was kind of like a double f you.
So he's just like, Okay, we're willing to trade him,
and they did.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Micah's agent is also an agent that has gotten his
client's good money and a lot of I think he's
the de Sean Watson's And if I recall, so he
signed a couple of deals where the teams look back
a year later and don't like the deal.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Now, I do think Micah off the Edge is exactly
what green Bay needs.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Again, Ben Johnson, Kevin O'Connell, you know Dan Campbell and
that old line. These offenses can keep your offense off
the field. So like, I like what green Bay did.
And the other thing about green Bay is is that
they've always been able to build good football teams. I
mean they for years they only drafted defense in the
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first round, and yet they had great old lines and
excellent tight ends. And green Bay drafts and develops very well.
Second round, third round, fourth round. You know, there are
teams in this league and when Bill Pollion ran the Colts,
they nailed their first two picks every time. Middle rounds man.
But green Bay has shown a history to pick up
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starters in the fourth and fifth and sixth round in
a much higher percentage than the rest of the league
over the last thirty years. So I think what they're
telling you green Bay likes this roster and they think
they got about a two to three year window to
make Hay, so they're rarely aggressive. I tip of the
cap to green Bay going for it.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think a lot of people, if you're a Packer fan,
was like, where was this move? Mid Aaron Rodgers right,
because that was our window And that was a big
reason that a lot of people are critical of Ted Thompson.
It's like, God, he's just kind of a kind of
a kind of conservative. When's he going to take a
big swing? And now they finally do it with Jordan Love,
We'll see if it works out. I like the Packers
before this move, I text a lot of people in
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the league asking him their thoughts. One universal take was
he's not like a troublemaker or anything, but Michael Parsons isn't.
Albert Breer reported about this when CD, when Zach Martin,
when Dak went through this, the locker room loves the guy.
That was not the reaction internally according to this. And
I had a GM who's very successful text me, like, listen,
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Green Bay there. Their organizational culture has been a lead
for thirty years. It's been very consistent. It's just an
easy place to operate. They're bringing in Micah, who comes
from a culture where it's just all over the map
in doubtas thing in the Micah Parsons bringing him in there,
he is now making way more money than everybody. They
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have an unproven, you know, still quarterback who you know
your quarterback is always kind of the leader of the team.
He's like, it is just there is some risk involved
when you factor in the finances, when you factor in
this big personality. He now is the face of the team. Uh,
It's just it's a pretty big It would have been.
His point was, like it would have been easier if
if you had Aaron, even if this guy at the time,
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whatever the economics were, was making more than Aaron. But
Aaron's the face of the team. Mike is now immediately
the face of the team. See what you want about
the Cowboys before this trade, Like still Dak was when
you turn on Sunday night football, is Dak's face, Like,
it's not even a question Micah parsons. So let's just
we'll see now they feel pretty good about their infrastructure.
Xavier McKinney. There are some questions fit right in. There's
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a big difference though, in the amount of money Xavier
McKinney's making in this guy who knows he's untouchable.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, I mean, Micah is a personality. You see it
in the podcast. I think he's not going to get
in trouble in Green Bay and not like you got
in a lot of trouble in Dallas. But you know, Micah,
Mike is a personality. And I think when you have
a week coaching staff or a week head coach, which
Schottenheimer is, I think my take was if this team
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started one in five and you signed Mike into a big.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Deal like Dallas is going to be atrocious.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I think why people acting like they just traded Lawrence Taylor,
because that's not what they just did. Well, you know
it's not. They weren't any good.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
If you were paying Dak forty four instead of what
you're paying him, then you could have then you guys
could have met at forty five million. All the problems
here start. And we know this, John, It's hard to
win when you pay Josh Allen top of the market salary. Okay,
it's it's hard. You're not going to have that second
slot receipt or that third really dependable you know, uh,
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interior lineback, you lose. I mean, you've seen this over
the last couple of years that Buffalo has moved off
multiple veteran players in the second.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Day half their team last year.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well, and that's and they're still winning with Josh Allen.
And Josh Allen took a reasonably team friendly deal. Dak
is a B quarterback making a plus money, so you are.
And he he needs an entourage. He is not Josh
Allen Lamar. So this the problems all stem from you
massively overpaid a b quarterback. And so I mean we people,
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and this is the case. The younger the media people,
the more they report pay the player. They're always pro player.
I have learned something over my life that like the
Rams could not trade Jared Verse, like this kid was
defensive Rookie of the Year. Like everybody's got a guy,
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even take out the quarterback. There's a guy like Sakwon
Barkley to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
They could win if he left.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
But boys with Jalen Hurts in the pocket sometimes a
little tenuous. If you trust him, they're just guys you
can't move. I will defend the Cede Lamb contract. I
think he's a top five or six receiver. He's a playmaker.
I just I wasn't comfortable making Mike of the highest
paid defensive end. I've seen him in a couple of
playoff games. He has been invisible in those games against
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better offensive linemen because.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
They run right at him. Right, that's right, as think, So,
how do I pay a guy? Now? I get what
the Packers need. I think it's easy for Jerry to go, well,
I'm gonna give a guy forty seven. I'm gonna match
this contract for a guy who's a liability in the
run game, and the Packers need that, and Rashaun Gary
is a much more complete player. I also defend the
Cowboys the timing. I don't. I mean, I would have
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traded him before the draft, but clearly they weren't planning
on doing it then. Right, he thought he could get
a deal done at forty million dollars. But when you
trade him now, they go, how did they only get that? Well,
as someone told me in the league a couple of
years ago, they said, this isn't the NBA, but players
now have more juice than they ever had. Twenty years ago,
a team would have been like, hey, even if the
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contract's not done, we will trade for this player if
you're over him, and we'll figure it out. We have
his control. Teams are not doing that anymore. So if
I'm going to trade multiple ones, there has to be
signed at the bottom line. Well, so Micah Parsons kind
of controlled had a big part in Mulgeda in where
he went, because you go, well, you could have got
more from Team X, who the Lions, the Raiders, whoever,
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they would have given two ones, two twos and a player. Well,
if they were offering twenty million dollars less than the
Packers salary. He goes, well, I'm not signing that contract
when this contract's on the table. So let's just say
there was another team willing to pay an extra high
draft pick, but they're the money. They go, we're not
paying him forty seven million a year and one hundred
and forty guaranteed. We'll give them a hundred and twenty guaranteed.
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Well he's like, I'm not signing that. Well, then they're
not going to trade him there, right because that team's like, well,
the trade doesn't it's not on the table then. So Parsons,
you know, there was an NBA element if he got
to dictate a little bit where he went, because you
were going to sign the contract the moment you traded him.
Khalil Mack several years ago the Bears, they signed when
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the trade is done. So the contract is a huge
part of the negotiation. So when I see all these people,
how did the Cowboys only get this because Parsons dictated
the terms by the contract And clearly I would imagine
some of the teams very interested were nowhere near in
the ballpark of what the Packers gave him, and this
is what makes the NFL so unique. This team without
an owner in the middle of nowhere, can pay a
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guy a historic amount of money. It's like the opposite
of baseball, which is cool and it's part of the NFL,
but pretty risky deal. I mean, this is I give
Gudakins a lot of credit, but he's kind of laying
it all out there on the table on this one.
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want to go through.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And I don't know if we'll do this on a
on a weekly bit, but I want to go through
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Week one. Odds Now, I'm going to throw a couple
of games at.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You, and just a couple of games that I looked
at and they kind of jumped out to me. So
you know my feeling on Seattle. I like Sam Darnold,
but I also think this is a really good coach
and so one of the lines. That confuses me a
little bit is that Seattle at home is getting two
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and a half point. Give me your take on the Niners' health.
I mean, they have real issues at wide receiver, so
if they're gonna beat Seattle, it's going to be some
running games.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You're not throwing the.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Ball downfield a ton on Seattle, and I think Seattle's
pass rush is going to be pretty good. I'm surprised.
It's My favorite pick of the week is Seattle at
home plus points. First of all to a division rivalry,
so these games are always close, so I love taking
even average Pittsburgh teams historically can cover against much better
Baltimore rosters division games. I generally take the points, but Seattle,
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I think top to bottom has more athletes in their prime. Hufunga,
gone Greenlawn gone, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey not in their prime.
I think Seattle has more athletes in their prime. Are
you surprised by that line?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think the market believes that Seattle's not going to
be that great because they're five to one to win
the division and the forty nine ers are like plus
one fifty. So based on the divisional odds. They are
a heavy long shot. If you look at every division,
they by far are the only team that has been
good the last several years. Nine wins, ten wins, and
it feels like Vegas gives them no chance to win.
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And this is a good example, Juwan Jennings. This wasn't
practice today, So they've rekindled. So you got Juwan Jennings
back with pierceall Kittle, you know McCaffrey, like, they actually
are offensively in theory healthy, Trent Williams Perdy coming into
this game. Yeah, I just think the market is pretty
low on Seattle. You and I are high on them.
My problem is whenever I bet on the Niners aggressively
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Super Bowls, they've bit me in the ass, and whenever
I bet against them, they always come through and win.
So I just I kind of stay away from the Niners.
But to me, there is not a better long shot
on the board to win their division than five to
one Seattle. They won ten games last year. They had
the same amount of wins as the team that we
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treat the Rams like. They're a thirteen fourteen win team.
They won ten. They won ten games last year. I
think they won ten games year before, and we just
we hold them to highest team rightfully so because they
have a really good coach, quarterbacks back in major trouble.
The forty nine ers at any moment, half their team
can be on injury reserve. I do not trust Kyler.
It is by far of the value that there's not
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a better on the board. And I'm with you, Seattle
can get weird. I do think divisional games Week one
can be hard to bet. Like I do think the
forty nine ers are gonna be pretty solid this year.
I think they got, for the first time in the years,
kind of a chip on their shoulder, kind of get
to fly under the radar a little bit. Sam Darnold's
you know, this is a first start with a new team.
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Offense a little different than what you know. Kevin o'connoll
likes to pass a lot, which is sam blite. I mean,
was they had justin Jefferson Koubiak like his dad, like Kyle,
He's gonna call a lot of runs. If they can
run the ball, they're gonna be really good play defense.
But what to see, I mean their run game. You know,
Kenneth Walker be healthy, Sharvion a we like.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Well brought in Robert Sala, and the reason being is
they don't have the same personnel. I mean, no, if
Bosa's dinged up, it's Fred Warner and cross your fingers.
It is really an I mean, I think we look
at the Niners and we just sometimes you fall into
this romance because for about four years they just had
incredible defensive personnel.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
They don't on the back end right now.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're gonna need kind of
like the Rams. Two years ago, you didn't know who
after roster was, and then a couple of years later
that they are just solidified players on defense, not counting verse,
you know who they drafted high, but a lot of
mid round, late round picks. They're gonna need that to happen.
And that's what the forty nine ers did originally, Right Kittle,
fifth round pick, Greenlaw, fifth round pick, Pertycept. They've hit
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on a lot of late round picks. That's how you
get good in the NFL. The Ravens let a lot
of guys hit free agency. Why because they crushed the
third through the seventh rounds. Because that's where you make
your hay in the end. Obviously, you got to hit
on first round picks. But when you get good in
the NFL, it's hard to pick in the twenties. That's
the one thing a lot of people are saying about
the Mica trade. It's like, well, the Packers are just
good back to back years. That's picked twenty five and
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twenty eight, right, It's hard to hit on those picks.
Ask Jerry. When they started winning games with McCarthy, they're
drafting Tyler Geidon, Tyler Smith. It's it's a lot harder
to It's much easier to draft in the top five
when Jamar Chase or Piney Sewell or Jayden Daniels is
staring at you. So I like Seattle this year. This
game to me is just I don't know, you convince
me Niners win. Seattle wins, Seattle kicks their ass, the
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Niners are into That's why Week one like I like
a lot of like the Titans, you know, the Panthers.
I like teams like that Week one that everyone just
thinks they're gonna suck. Some of the times these divisional games,
like Giants Commanders like I'm had to stay away from me. Yeah,
I don't, well, you tell me Giants win. I could
I could see it. Cowboys are the one that's like,
I have a hard time seeing them win.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, teams.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Convince themselves, even if they're Tennessee, they convince themselves.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Theyre a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
By week four or five, you start losing guys and
everybody in the room knows. But yeah, Tennessee getting over
it time touchdowns, the hook. I'd stay away from that one.
The other game that's fascinating to me is it does
matter you're allowed in Green Bay or at Jacksonville or
maybe a Seattle to have really ugly losses. You're not
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gonna get crushed Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's loud.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
So Chicago's an underdog at home getting a point and
a half against Minnesota, and Minnesota's a mystery team. I
don't know what JJ McCarthy is. I really do not know.
I've heard enough from people I trust. I got text
by somebody I really trust a few weeks ago he said,
it's a work in progress, but if Chicago loses at home,
it'll be a huge, huge night in Chicago. That shit
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could unarrival fast, really fast. If you had to make
a prediction, what do you think the Bears and Caleb
look like forget.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Winning and losing.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I mean, they're the underdog at home, which I kind
of like that position. But what do you think it
will look like.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think it's going to be really hard. I mean,
Caleb is much more talented of a thrower. But I
think there could be some parallels to the situation that
we saw with Arch in Texas trying to play offense
against Patricia. I mean, Flores is one of, if not
the best defensive coordinator in the league right now. Their
personnel is actually improved from last year. I like Minnesota
in this game, but I like you, I don't expect
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hard to say JJ's gonna come out and throw three
or four touchdowns. We'll see Chicago's defense a little overrated.
Are they quite as good as we thought they were
going to be like a year ago? I don't know,
but I could see them like I expect this to
be a lower scoring like seventeen to fourteen type game.
And if in that situation, I'm just gonna take Flores
in Minnesota and Kevin o'connwell, I mean, he's just listen.
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First game at home gets a little weird if you
have a couple of three and outs, like in a
moment like this, you're gonna need some positive early momentum
because if the crowd gets a little weird, if you
have a couple that first try again, it was a
preseason game against the Bills. Twos and threes, but he
drove him right down and all of Chicago took it,
just took a sigh of relief, right like, oh my god,
(48:06):
he might be able to he might be okay. Because
the Ben Johnson thing they played the Chiefs. I watched
when I was flying to Hawaii that last preseason game.
They got their ass kicked early on and Ben Johnson
came out and said after the game like that's just unacceptable,
Like that's just too at this point in time, too sloppy. Well,
who were the Chiefs? A big time team that took
that game? Seriously, remember I told you when we were
(48:28):
together like two and a half weeks ago, that second
preseason game, Andy, because they got their ass kicked by
Seattle the Bills. When they got their ass kicked by
the Bears, that's the point and time in camp where
he's been driving him, driving him. The legs are heavy,
But that last preseason game is more of a ramp
up especially with Kansas City starters play a little bit.
(48:48):
You take it pretty seriously like you're coming into that
game with some some Well, the Bears tried to do
that too, and it did not go well. Now, in fairness,
Kansas City is like a dynasty, but minnesot was pretty good.
They won fourteen games.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Minnesota's got the better roster.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yes, yeah, I mean it would be like to me,
if Minnesota wins, it'd be yeah, Minnesota's good, right. I
don't think it's like it'd be big if JJ plays
like an elite level game. But even if he's just
kind of average on the road, just win, get out
of there. It's not like a we're not setting it
in stone the headline of their season. Whatever happens with
the Bears, right you lose, it gets weird. That's a
(49:27):
major story. They win, he plays well, beats Brian Flores,
that's a huge kind of monkey off everyone's back. Okay,
we might we might have. There's a lot that there's
there's not a game in the league Week one where
there's just more on the line because of the quarterback situations.
The hopes of that, like we said, the expectation for
this franchise anything less than nine and eight will feel awful,
(49:51):
and even nine and eight if you miss the playoffs,
will be like, God, what what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I went through the schedule and it looks like eight
and nine, nine and eight to me, and I was optimist.
I had them splitting with their division. Bears don't split
with their division. They went one in five last year.
They don't split in their division. So okay, John and
I chopped it up. We are now both gonna go
watch Belichick and TCU and I can't wait for that.
(50:15):
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am back to work tomorrow, buddy, and it's great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Awesome seeing you.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
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