Colin Cowherd Podcast - Barstool’s Netflix Deal, Joe Burrow’s Trade Value? Tua’s Career Over? NBA Cup Is Great - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
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for sit down for about forty five minutes to an
hour of Danny Parkins. We have a lot of stuff
to address in the media, so let's get right to this.
So there was an announcement today. iHeart Netflix. Netflix is
buying all sorts of podcasts and I was scrolling around
right before this. I stay off the phone mostly prep
show train ride home.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I try to be intentional with my phone viewing, but
I was dinking around here, so it's off the top
of my head here barstool. Dave Portnoy was getting crap.
He was being called a sellout, you know, for doing
the Netflix deal, and it was really interesting. I know
you'll appreciate this. Dave owned a company. Iheart's company. I

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own a company. Podcasting is audio. I listen to podcasts,
I don't watch them. I may try it Netflix absolutely,
I've done before. I've watched some some Joe Rogan before
the visual version, but they're podcasts were built for audio.

(01:55):
So now YouTube kind of control the universe. It is
a win for anybody that owns a company and a
podcaster if the dominating position is challenged. Like when FS
one was created and people criticized it, and I thought,
are you idiots? This gives you leverage and negotiation the
people at ESPN ripping it. I'm like, do you want

(02:17):
no competition for ESPN? So to me, YouTube dominated in
that space. Netflix a competitor. It's good for people like
iHeart and Dave Portnoy and me and the volume. Eventually
and my example is this baseball was on radio only

(02:38):
for years, for years, for decades, and then came a
TV broadcast and then multiple TV networks vying for it.
Baseball wasn't selling out to go to television. It was
expanding first of all, expanded TV, and then eventually multiple
TV suitors joined in to compete for it. That's not

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selling out. That is that is the space expanding and
opening up, and that's always good for baseball. Podcasting. iHeart
barstool volume. Anybody there's my rant.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think it's a I think it's a good rant.
The only thing that I think you left out and
this I won't. I'll take a position on what you
said in a second. Of course, it's good for like
you and me, like contents creators, more people who would
want to like bid on our content and like store
our content distribute.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Of course, it's good for you and me.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Of course, it's good for the companies, and you own one,
and that's amazing and all that.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I think the question, I assume.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
The people that were calling him a sellout, and I
didn't see that, but I assume that that wasn't like
media executives. It was like people on Twitter like the
question is are going to be good for the consumer?
Like if you watch these podcasts on video and you
your preferred method of viewing it is YouTube and that
is free, and you don't pay for Netflix, and now

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you want to watch part of My Take or the
Breakfast Club or whatever one of the you know, middle
Coughs podcasts, that's like whatever, whatever one you watch, now
you have to watch it in a different place exclusively.
If you don't subscribe to that place, you are now
faced with a choice to either stop watching listen only

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or subscribe. So I think for the consumer it's like
barrier of entry. Like I saw there was some criticism
that the NBA Cup Final was not on regular TV,
and it's like, well, yeah, the world is changing. Is
it a little frustrating? As like, yeah, we are content creators,
but like, is it a little frustrating that Peacock and

(04:48):
Netflix and Fox and CBS and NBC and ESPN and
then these NFL games are in a million different places.
NBA games are in a million different places, and it's
like I got an idea, let's bundle it all together
and call it and it would be a lot it
would be a lot easier for the consumer. But the
world has just changed a million times since that bundle,

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and it's going to continue to I do watch a
lot of YouTube like I will watch a clip of
like the one that was going viral recently. I thought
it was amazing will Arnt on Conan O'Brien's podcast talking
about talking about grief, and I've obviously dealt with a
lot in that space in my recent life, and I

(05:30):
was like, it was beautiful. I've watched the clip legitimately
probably eight times and sent it to probably twenty people.
I didn't listen to that. I saw a video clip,
and you know what I mean. So I do consume
some of this stuff in video form, and so I'm
just I'm interested in it. From Netflix's standpoint of do

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they think it's going to get more subscribers or do
they think it is going to just like get time
spent on the app and they want more people on
their app so that they click over to their other
program My hunch is it's the latter, Like I'd be
surprised if there were a bunch of new sign ups
because of this. That's right, Well, like time spent on
the app is their place, right correct?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
That's That's my take is that Netflix is going to
these companies taking another reason to stick. You go for
a documentary and you're like, oh god, I'll stick for
another half hour and watch this pod. It has a
stick quality to it. You may not go specifically for,
you know, whatever the podcast is. I also think there

(06:31):
are much larger audio audiences of podcasting than visual audiences
of podcasting. That's my take. You know, I've seen my numbers.
It's it's bigger in audio than it is the visual
portion of it. I also want to mention Tony Kornheiser
got dragged a little bit on the internet. You know,

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he's an older guy, and he said I didn't watch
the NBA Cup because I wasn't on real TV. I
thought a better way to say it, and maybe he
was doing that the kind of of you know, play
kind of like the wrestling, play to the character a
little bit. You know, he's an older guy. I'm not
doing that, that's funny. What he was really saying is
the NBA product is not enough to drive me to streaming,

(07:14):
which I think is true. I've said this before. I
think ESPN, the incumbent, will do well with a new contract.
NBC will hemorrhage money, but they'll find an audience streaming
to get me to streaming. Amazon did it with Thursday
Night Football. They've done it with documentaries, great series, an
occasional fight. But you can't get me to regular season

(07:37):
anything outside of football for streaming. That's I think the
point Tony was making the kind of runs alongside what
he said was yeah, I'm not NBA's not getting me
to a streaming platform. That is why I believe Amazon,
because they have a reservoir of money. Three things on

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Amazon in the last week. They can hemorrhage money. NBC
is gonna hemorrhage money and they're gonna have layoffs. It's
not they're gonna lose a billion dollars a year on
that thing. ESPN's the incumbent. The incumbent doesn't have to
buy forty new you know, reporters, directors, producers, they've got
their remote unit set up. But I think to that point,

(08:22):
the the I don't Adam Silver smart to do it.
The owners absolutely love it, but I do wonder how
many people are gonna go to Amazon to watch NBA.
I think the number is going to be small.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, Well, and I mean, will we even know the number?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know, like like the there's how do we know
like that, there's the the the it's like all internal
data stuff when they release it, and they're like twenty
six million people watched that NFL game on Christmas something.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
I guess I'll take your word for it. Well you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's not like it's out there available for everyone or
that everyone can verify it. It's like independent data that
they that they keep. And so I think the Amazon thing,
and you mentioned it in terms of like they have
obviously unlimited money and they can hemorrhage it. They It's
already happened, and I think it is only going to
just keep happening. But like the integration on these Amazon

(09:15):
broadcasts to buying things is pretty amazing. And the first
time I stumbled on it was like a couple of
months ago. I clicked on my remote like accidentally, but
it was at a time when on the broadcast it
was saying like during like one of the like the
picture and Picture commercials where they're like showing the teams
coming on and off the field, so they didn't completely

(09:36):
go to a commercial, but then they showed a commercial
like in the other box, and it was like, you know,
click okay to get an email about this product. And
I clicked okay because I was trying to change off
of something or mute or whatever I was doing. You
can just now buy the thing that's on commercial on

(09:57):
the Amazon broadcast. That is is clearly the future and
a pretty you know what I mean, it's a pretty
amazing thing. Like, so they can pay for the NFL
and get twenty million people to be on their app.
And the reason they did Black Friday. Why do they
do Black Friday? It's their biggest day of the year.
So I'm watching Bears Eagles, and obviously I'm very invested

(10:21):
in this game, but also I know that there's all
these Black Friday deals and every time there's a commercial,
you have the option to buy it right there through
your remote or if it's like a more complicated thing
like an insurance plan, it's like, would you like an
email with all of these details and if you just
click one button through your Prime account that is linked

(10:43):
to it, they'll send it to you. So I totally
see the reason why Amazon wants event events that get
large amounts of people onto their server, even if that
game would get a million people on ESPN for an
NBA game, if they get two hundred and fifty thousand
people for an NBA game on AMA, five percent, by Yeah,

(11:06):
that's the Amazon is the easiest one to understand, Like
why they want to get into it because it's a
it's a mall you can buy. You can buy literally
anything right there on their on their product. So yeah,
the Amazon one, I don't question at all.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
The yeah. I mean it's I know it's not easy
for the consumer, but I there are certain things like
I like the challenge of owning a company. And I mean,
did you see Lucas Shaw as somebody I follow on Twitter,
He's the media guy, and Lucas Shaw said for the

(11:42):
first time and was it a decade chord cutting went
the opposite direction. It added Cable added subscribers. Again, doesn't
mean the end of cord cutting, no, but what it
what it shows is the demand has been so relentless
on the consumer with buying new and more streaming services.

(12:04):
Some people have said, the hell with it, I'm going
to go back to cable. I'm not paying three hundred,
I'll pay one point eighty and I won't watch most
of what's on cable. But I'm not, you know, I mean,
look at we've got inflation that's reportedly high, Unemployment numbers
have ticked up. I mean, stuff matters. Egg prices were
a topic a year ago.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, and I mean, so I have not cut the
cord because I'm like in my line of work, our
line of work same, the easiest barrier of entry to
get the most things on my television is still my
preferred method, and I'm going to pay for the services anyway.
Like what I spend on cable, Internet and add on
services is exorbitant, but it's literally our job. So it's

(12:48):
just like it's like paying for water, you know what
I mean, It's like not even a thing I really
think about, which I know is coming from a place
of privilege. But for my friends, a ton of people
my age, most people might age, most of my best
friends don't pay for cable, but I often will hear
them or in the group chats or whatever. YouTube TV

(13:08):
upped the price again, and they're not These are these
are guys who are traders, lawyers. It's not that they
it's not that they can't afford it, but they but
they initially cut the cut the cord to save the money,
like because they were tech tech savvy.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
This is why Netflix entering the podcast space is good
eventually for the consumer because YouTube basically ran it correct
it owned a space, and that's never healthy for the
consumer or the podcaster or the podcast company, right.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think, I think, I think, I think it will
get there, and I think at the beginning, the consumer
is gonna be like, wait, I've watched the last five
hundred episodes of part of my take on YouTube. Now
I have to do what you know what I mean,
Like I there will be it's a disruption. There there
will be a.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
By the way, who doesn't have Netflix at this point.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, I I agree, I agree, but but it's still
is a change in habit, right for whatever. And I'm
sure it'll be easy and I'm sure it'll be heavily
promoted on the app at all of those things.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's what I've always tried to give away as much
of my content. Bill Simmons and I had this discussion once,
give it away for free, and a great example, Oprah
was the biggest star on TV. She left right, she
left broadcast TV and literally disappeared irrelevant. She got rich
so she chose wealth over relevant at that point in

(14:33):
her career. I think that was the right call.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Once she owned she like owns Hawaii, so yeah, it
was probably it was probably the right call.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Howard Stern, most relevant radio guy in the world, went
as serious got rich not nearly as relevant. Howard Stern
would do it again. I've always had this theory. When
six is the first number of your age, get out
of relevance. You don't need to be more famous at
the grocery store. Go with wealth. As you're brand building

(15:02):
in your twenties, thirties, forties, you start getting late fifties
and somebody comes up and says, I'm going to put
you behind a paywall and pay us seven times. When
you made an FM radio you take the money. It's
all the Bill Murray line, which is people say rich
and famous, try the rich. That'll do That'll feel fine,

(15:22):
that will be just fine. So so my take is,
let's say, pardon my take, does lose some audience if
they're getting an additional four million each from the company,
you take it. The dudes have busted their ass for
I mean, what do they do a three hour podcast?
Have been busting their ass for years.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean not to like pocket watch
those guys, you know, but they yeah, they they do well.
I saw one clip from that they were talking about
like and like it helps like pay the behind the
scenes people more because the people that are in.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Shance video get to monetize all of that.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
It's again for the content creator, it's a no brainer,
like especially because you guys like the people that like
they're really paying to do this, like the big names
they're hauling over there, you all already have your relevance
and in the podcast space, like the Breakfast Club made it.
They made it in audio. Part of my take, made

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it in audio, and none of the audio is changing.
You could still listen on iTunes, Spotify's wherever you get
your podcasts, and that's their larger audience. Correct, So to them,
they don't oh selling out, Okay, I'll be like that
scene on the bed in the hotel and the presidential
suite and dumb and dumber, just like wiping my tears
with one hundred dollars bills.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Like melling out like yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
For those those guys have probably got million you would
know better than me, they probably got millions of dollars,
like they'll they'll, they'll be fine with that criticism in
their mentions on X For.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
The record, I did a rant today to lead my show,
and I tend to have my lead on a star
athlete or a star team, and I did it on
the NBA Cup, and I said, people that complain a
lot are rarely creators. Surround yourself with creators, not complainers. Yeah,
it's and I said, the people that bitch about the

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NBA Cup, they don't watch the NBA.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
And it's it's like rural guy in Kentucky ripping California.
It's like, bro, we're the fourth biggest economy in the
world and the weather's perfect. We're doing just fine. California
is doing just fine. I know, I know living with
goats is your chosen you know, docile, I'm for that.

(17:44):
I'm but and and so when I hear guys ripping
the NBA Cup, my take is I watched the players.
They gave a ship. They were into it last night.
They were they were I'll tell you this, The NBA
players I watched last night were more into that than
the COVID or Lando experience where the Lakers won the
title and did sort of this weird, fake, in authentic

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cheering and there was no crowd like I watched last night.
I'm like, these guys are busting their butt. They're totally
into this thing. So and if it takes an extra
check to get there, who cares? Like coloring the court?
Like I like the swing of Adam Silver.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, undeniable and I love that he like that he
unapologetically stole it from the Premier League. Like you said,
it works in European soccer. I believe eventually it will
work here. I'm like, that is like one of my
favorite things a commissioner in sports has said in my lifetime,
cause it's just so because so much where there's like

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we're America and it's our game, and like we we
we have the best ideas, and it's like no, no, no,
I think this thing works and uh, it shouldn't be
that we have thirty teams and only one is happy
at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Let's do something else and let's try it, and so
like is the like.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
How much should a fan care about something new? Reasonable
minds can disagree on that. How much are the players
doing it for the money? I'm actually a little skeptical
of it. I actually think that it's like these guys
are super competitive saying they're like they're like, oh, there's
a trophy being given out, Like it's not like the
crowning accomplishment my career. It's not going to be the

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first story I tell my grandkids, but like bragging rights.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
You know, you feel like who won it?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yannis has won it, you know, like the thunder were
in the finals, and then we're in the Semis this year.
It's like, oh, Danny good.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
When I was in local radio, I didn't get paid
more for good ratings books, but I loved winning.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, you said I had a better contract.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You didn't have us.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Hell's the matter with you? You're savvy business guy. You
gotta at least get a.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Little extra five K, a little extra ten k a quarter.
What's going on? But no like it?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
But also something to me of course, of course you're competitive.
But then the other thing that I think is this
is where we're at three years into it. Imagine how
it's gonna feel in twenty three years. It's only going
to get more competitive and more popular as it becomes

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more a part of the fabric of the sport and
people get used to it. And so the debate over
the banner is silly to me, like the NBA should
mandate it, and it's like you it shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
The banner shouldn't be as big as a championship banner.
You don't even need to have a night where you
raise the banner. It could just be like they want
on a Tuesday the next time the Knicks play a
home game.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
It's just up and it's just NBA.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's just NBA the banner at the top, says NBA
Cup Champion twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
That's it. Don't need to make it. You don't need
to raise a banner.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You black it out, call back your legends, like it's
just like it should be. If the Lakers can figure
it out with seventeen championships, like put it up, make
it a league mandated thing so that it is celebrated,
so that it is talked about, so that it is
because it's only going to get more popular. I saw Silver,
said wedd He's like, we're looking at doing it at
like prestigious college arenas. Yes, cool, like Allen Field House

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or Cameron Indoor, Like Cameron Indoor, nine thousand people in
an arena for an NBA game. That would be really cool.
That's a good that is a that is a good idea.
And I've been to Allen Field House. Those people will
go nuts for that that game like that. That's a
that's a good idea. So I like that they try stuff,
and I think it's only going to get more popular.

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when I can't figure out something and then you have
an Aha moment, And I kind of had one over
the last two weeks. So for years, the last several years,
I could not figure out how Russell Wilson went from
elite to maybe just a really good backup with no

(24:08):
major injury and he wasn't that old. And I kept
saying it made I mean, it was like literally a
two year topic. I don't understand it. I what great,
really good? Is he a backup? But and then I
watched Tua the last two weeks and I went, wait,

(24:28):
two is about his size?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Wait? And then I watched Kyler Murray Arizona doesn't want
to play him. And I've come to the conclusion that
smaller quarterbacks could not withstand Justin Herbert's career and that
those hits are more punitive. And if you watch TUA
last on Monday Night, he is afraid to get hit.

(24:51):
That's not disputable, Like that's been said by Gruden, multiple
people out there. Bruce Arians like he didn't want to
get hit. Kyler Murray, I was told by an NFL
guy his rookie year who sacked him. He's like, bro,
he I know when somebody scared when I hit them.
And Russell Wilson didn't get hit a lot, but he
got hit enough. And so I watched Tua go from

(25:15):
Pro Bowl to good too. Can't play a lick, and
it sort of unraveled the mystery of Russell Wilson, which
is size matters at quarterback. Smaller quarterbacks age overnight, if
they lose elusiveness, if they get hit too many times,
they don't withstand the punishment. And frankly, I mean, ask

(25:39):
yourself if you got hit by football players who could
bench twice your weight, and you how many hits with
you like Justin Herbert sixty six. I had dinner with
their GM, the Chargers last week. He goes, I think
he's six seven. Actually, you guys are short changing him.
Six seven's an NBA small forward, right, and he's two
thirty eight, So I guess I guess My point was.

(26:00):
I feel like the Tua story is the reality of
small quarterbacks, the age overnight.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
First of all, I hope the Chargers general manager knows
how tall Justin Herbert is.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
I think he's definitely. You should know.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
If anyone in the world you know exactly how tall
Justin Herbert is, it's the Chargers general manager. Yeah. I
saw you ask Brady on the show about the hype
thing for quarterbacks, and I thought he gave a great answer.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
There are outliers, but that doesn't disprove the rule.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's like Kurt Warner succeeded and he was a grocery
store backer. That doesn't mean you should go to your shop, right,
that finds the next great quarterback. Right, Like Drew Brees
was six feet tall. He's six feet tall, and he
got better as his career went on, and he was unbelievable.
But he's also like one of the best throwers of

(26:51):
the football ever. You know, like he's just crazy accurate,
crazy smart. His highlights don't really make any sense, like
is he throwing from his tiptoe? Yeah he is, as
long has he done that for a decade, Like it's
like it's like a week, but it's like, well, but
that doesn't mean that. If I was a general manager,
I'd be like, I want to find the next Drew Brees.

(27:11):
Like it doesn't there's one, you know, there's not there's
not many guys that you would like. Yeah, long sustained
career at that size, and so yeah, I think it's
totally reasonable. The only thing I would say about Tua
is man, it's sad, but it's just true. Like he's

(27:33):
concussion prone and he played in an era where we
know as much as we do about concussions that he's
clearly been told you can't get concussions man, Like I
because it had happened, like when they when he had
the multiple concussions quick and he was having the fencing
response and it was really like tough to watch. He

(27:55):
got he got a concussion and I don't remember the
exact sequence of what happened, but they put him on
IR immediately and it. Maybe he came out of the
protocol sooner than that, but it got to the point
where Mike McDaniel was like, well, I can't.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You can't have a concussion and then play two of
the next week.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
It felt cruel and reckless and like, you know, like,
but then they can't win without Tua. Apparently no one
else can run his offense, and so what do you
do with that guy? You probably tell him, hey man,
priority number one, don't get a concussion, don't get hit well.

(28:35):
So then you combine small quarterback, not the strongest arm
playing to not get hit, and you get what we
saw the other night.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
More it's like, what is your career over?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yes, right, Like it's it's over.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
His career is over because he's.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Way too expensive and too accomplished and he's made too
much money and he's like too young. Is he gonna
play for six million bucks to be someone's to be?
To be Patrick Mahomes's backup next year? Like that would
shock me.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
A in a strange way.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Not that it would be next year because of what
his contract, but two years from now is to a
five to ten million dollar a year backup for a
great quarterback.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
That that would shock me in a weird way. He
got paid, he got his guaranteed money, he sent for life,
and he's probably best served to not play anymore because
of the concussions. In a sense, it played out not beautifully,
but it played out or ironically the way it should have.

(29:42):
He made a Pro Bowl, he got paid, there were concussions,
he got better, he got bad quickly, and it's probably
time to leave now, not stay for four years like
most guys could drag it on. In a way, it
all played out. Won a Natty, drafted first round, made

(30:05):
a Pro Bowl, got paid, concussion stuff, really bad, comes
back not the same player that was always probably going
to be his career, right Like like once he had
the first couple concussions, you're like, okay, it's like a
big man in the NBA getting injured. They'll go eleven
years not getting injured. That's just your body's not meant

(30:27):
to be seven to three, right, just not.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Can you imagine, just because you mentioned the dinner with
the Chargers GM, I would have loved to know next
time you have dinner with him, I'll fly out because
Justin Herbert's probably my favorite non Caleb Williams player, in football,
like I love watching Justin Herbert play football, have for forever.
I can't imagine being in that draft room being like, god,

(30:52):
I hope the Dolphins take two over Herbert.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Like what an insane decision.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
When you're talking, you're talking about like height, Like one
guy looks like Tua, the other guy looks like Justin Herbert.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
And you're like, I'm going Tua.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I just think it's a mind So I have insight
to that. Tom Telesco's a friend.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I would love to I would love to hear as
much about that as you're willing to share.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, Tom liked both. Tom was leaning Tua because he
thought he thought Herbert was mechanical. He was a little stiff. Yeah, Tom,
Tom goes, I'm going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon's taking
on Wisconsin, and Wisconsin had, if you recall, a great
defense for about a two year stretch they had the
former NFL player came back and was their decordinator. Okay,

(31:40):
so he went and watched him, and I said, what
did you think? And he's like, yeah, you got to
see Herbert in person. First of all, he's way bigger
in person than on TV. And Tom said, secondly, he
is really really athletic, he said. Tom came to the
conclusion that Mario Christobal did not have a backup he

(32:03):
believed in, so they played a very super conservative offense.
Ohio State did this with c J. Stroud. They never
let him run and then he played Georgie in his
final game and they let c J. Stroud run and
he was running all over and you're like, oh what CJ.
Stroud's athletic. Justin Herbert was a very protect justin we
don't have a backup. We love let's and Mario knew

(32:26):
it was a really good team that could get to
a Rose Bowl. And then then you get to play
Wisconsin and you're like, okay, kid, do your magic. And
Tom said, you watched it and went, oh, okay, this
is a different version of the guy. And by the way,
John Snyder feels this way to Seahawk GM. You got
to go to the games. You just there's certain things
you gotta see. You got to be on the sideline

(32:47):
before the game. You gotta look at their confidence. You
gotta see you gotta hear the ball when they throw
it past you can you hear it? Like there's a
lot of things that you want to.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
They interact with teammates. Do they hang their head?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I watched Boone Nick, so I went. I had a
place for a while in Utah and the Ducks were
in town, and I had seen Washington, Oregon. I'd seen
bone Nicks and Michael Pennix. I went to the game
because I was a Husky fan and a Duck fan,
but I wanted to see these two quarterbacks. I thought,
I can kill two birds one stone. Go to Husky
Stadium and a few weeks later they played Utah. I
was literally at my house. I'm like, it's just down

(33:20):
the road. I want to go watch the game. And
I got, strangely a great seat two rows in.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I was right behind bone Nix. It wasn't so strange.
It wasn't strange. You're Colin Cowherd. I didn't think you
were gonna be in section three forty six. Like, go ahead, sorry, okay.
So I don't know how, but I got a sideline
pass and then my ticket was on the forty yard
line in the second round.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
I don't know how it happened. I have an idea,
but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
So he's cut, Bow's cut when you see him like
he is like it reminded me of d Wade's body.
You're like, that guy lives in a gym. The second
thing was he was on the sideline and they were
winning comfortably. I mean, he was a coach park turn player,
and I was like, holy shit, that is a frickin' inte.
He was intense and they were up by three touchdowns early.

(34:07):
Bon Mix is and I was just like, oh wow, okay,
that's the first round. So I knew Sean Payton at
the time, and I said, Sean, let me tell you
a story about Bonix. I'm like, that guy's impressive in person.
And Sean, you know, he loved him just before he
even saw him on film, and you know his personality.
The dad was a coach. But I guess the whole

(34:28):
point being is when you see Herbert in person, or
you see some of these quarterbacks in person, to hear
the ball, to see the interaction, it's different than you
and I. That's why I go to two or three
college games a year. I want to see people in person.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I think that that's I mean, that's that's what
scouting is, right. You can't just watch the film. There's
all sorts of soft factors. It's interesting that the Herbert
mechanical thing, I think that's totally fair. Like he's the
last couple of years, I think it translated to the pros.
I think he was very you know, make the right read.

(35:02):
Sometimes you would throw short of the sticks a little
bit too much, but you know what I mean. I
think I think that that was a fair criticism of him.
But for me, I also was just like there was
always like, man, you know what, that guy's not the problem.
Like his rookie his rookie year, he's not even supposed
to start. Tyrod Taylor has the mis state and the

(35:23):
middle the.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Mistake punctured lunk thing.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
He comes in and he plays in Week two and
at the end of the year, yes my homes, yeah right,
exactly the end of the year, he's got thirty one
touchdown passes, which is still a record for rookie players.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
And I'm like, unbelievable, he said.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Three head coaches, he said, I think four play callers.
He's had disastrous injuries around him. Always they just have
terrible luck, terrible special teams. Until this year. Finally, Dicker
is an unbelievable kicker. Like he's obviously got a coach
who knows how to win. Still horrifying injury luck most
offensive line combinations in the NFL, Like, I just I

(36:00):
want to see one year and I know everybody gets hurt,
just like one year where Justin Herbert has just like
above average luck around him. Because I'm just to me,
it's like, you watch the NFL, well, you can't have
him in your top five because he has zero playoff wins.
I'm like, watch me like Mahomes Alan this year. You

(36:23):
want to say Stafford, fine, but if you think there
are five five quarterbacks in the world better than Justin Herbert,
I just think you're insane. I think it's an I
think it's an insane thought.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
But it's just got zero wins.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
And people will say interceptions, but right now seven of
the leading eleven interception leaders in the NFL are Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert,
Trevor Lawrence, dak Bo Nicks. It's like, guys, for of
the last six Super Bowls, the winning quarterback through an
interception into Super Bowl, Like, you got to get over that.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, they and listen, he had four interceptions in that
game against Houston last year. Obvious sleep in the playoff
game obviously not good. Two of them were off his
guy's hands, and his offensive line was decimated in the interior.
And Houston is a great defense, and he had he
was a bad game to have the worst game of
his career, undeniable blew a twenty seven point lead to Jacksonville.

(37:15):
I don't tend to think that's on the quarterback, missed kick,
other team defense, all those things. But you know, again,
oh and two, you got to live with it. But
I've just he's going to hoist the Lombardi Trophy. He's
going to be an MVP. Like I just I think
he's too good not to.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
One of the things that it's one of the things
I always feel bad for athletes. I know they're rich,
yeah sure, but I always feel bad for athletes that
the harder you train in college, the greater you are
the worst franchise you go to. And I have some

(37:55):
I've thought about this Joe Burrow situation so many times.
So in his is it six or seven years in
the NFL, he's never had an O line rated higher
than twenty third best in the NFL. They don't make
any big trades. Even their star players are almost forced
to hold out Zach Tator by any estimation is okay.

(38:21):
And even if he wasn't, they don't fire and payoff
coaches early. Cincinnati is a small I mean, people don't
understand Los Angeles doesn't have a bigger economy than Cincinnati.
It's hundreds of times bigger. The game day revenue Stan
Cronk makes it. SOFI in a Sunday is probably almost
a season worth of game day revenue. Maybe two SOFI

(38:43):
games is an entire season worth of home games for Cincinnati.
So I really I and I feel Joe Burrow and
Carson Palmer already ditch this organization. What do you do?
Because I think what we're seeing is Overah knowing he's
trapped and there's been now counting three press conferences when

(39:05):
he's been asked about this by SIAT, by Cincinnati media. Danny,
they are a therapist, he's on the couch. He's like,
I think about a lot of things. I think we
are watching the greatest American football player who's in an
awful situation in Cincinnati. And I feel absolutely I know
he's rich. I feel horrible for him.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, I you know, so he was you know, obviously
he was asked about that this week and he said
it has nothing to do with Cincinnati. Hard to believe him.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Because somebody said, do you think about leaving or something?
Do you think and he said I think about a
lot of things, And I thought that was the best answer.
Where I hate it here, but I don't want to
throw my teammates or my coaches under the bus.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
So I think it's hard.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We do it all the time, and so like sometimes
like when these things get clipped, I try, I'm like,
is the is the player going to see it? Who
the hell does this guy think he is to psychoanalyze me?
So like, I know your people won't do that, but
just we're having a good conversation. I think people will
listen to it in its entirety and take it there.
I Joe Burrow strikes me as someone and he has

(40:16):
said things around this. He strikes me as someone who
loves football but does not love the things that come
with football, Like you don't see Joe Burrow in a
lot of commercials. I don't think Joe Burrow likes fame,
which is totally understandable. You just said rich and famous.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Try rich.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
It's probably enough for you, right, But like Patrick Mahomes
clearly is okay with being famous. Clearly he's in a
ton of commercials. He sits courtside at games, he shows
up at celebrity golf tournaments like he's very comfortable being famous.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Josh Allen, same thing. Caleb Williams, same thing.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Justin Herbert, a very introverted guy, does not like it
is dating a model, influencer, singer, song or whatever. Madison
Beer is, and she's all of those things according to
her Wikipedia page.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
He's clearly like getting used to it or trying to
because of the woman that he.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
When I had Justin Herbert on this year, the Charger
said they got calls from even their own employees going
Justin's on television just hides from the media. And he's like,
well he's listened to Colin when he was a kid.
Blah blah blah. But the point being is Justin literally
it's not anti media. He just he's embarrassed by being

(41:40):
front and center above his teammates. He's that kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Sure, okay, And so that's like a football thing.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
But like you know, Joe Burrow, he loves he did
that the Netflix quarterback thing, and I and I watched it,
and he's he's interesting, he's thoughtful, he's very close with
his parents. He's genuinely into fashion.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
He you know, he.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Tried to buy the Batmobile then he had to return it.
He likes I think he liked Pokemon cards.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
And video games.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
He seems like a kid, like a big kid who
got rich and he's having to be really good at football.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
And then you remember the story about his home invasion.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
He was he's one of those athletes who they were
on the yes on the road house got broken into,
what got stolen kind of got reported, who was there,
you know, got reported, And he talked about it being
like a felt very violated, huge invasion of privacy and
like both like the literal invasion of his home, but

(42:37):
then also the reporting around it and what was revealed
about his personal life and who he was dating that he.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Didn't want revealed.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I again, literally no insight into it, but just how
he handled that press conference after the burglary at his house.
I wonder how much that's sticking with him of just like, man,
is this I'm injured. I've been injured multiple times, so
I'm spending a lot more time rehabbing than playing.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Football.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm losing, we are we are losing, and the cost
of this is coming at like a real expense.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
To like, especially he's in Ohio. You can't you can
hide in LA. You can't hide when you're an Ohio
boy playing for the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Right, Because I've seen some people think, oh, he doesn't
like fame, looking how he dresses, I'm like, I don't know.
The Netflix thing made it seem like he is just
like genuinely interested in fashion, which is a totally reasonable
thing for people to be interested in, and you have
money and access to whatever.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
So like, I just I think he hates fame. He
hates being injured. Obviously, he hates losing.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
And so where I my guess is where that time
He's like, I don't just like Cincinnati. I've been in
a Super Bowl, I've played for I've been I've played
for another super Bowl. I've won here. But is Cincinnati
doing all the things on the margins to allow him
to win? You know, like, if if they, if they,
if they were a small market team operated like the

(44:00):
Green Bay Packers or the Kansas City Chiefs or whatever,
like I think he would be totally fine with it.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And so Tom Tom Brady was like this in New England.
Tom was taking pay cuts and going where all my receivers?

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
So Joe Burrows like, I'm doing all these rehabs because
you can't protect me.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So I think Brady felt like at the end he
chose Tampa because of Mike Evans Chris Godwin. I'll bring
Gronk like they had. They had three tight ends. I
think Joe and Tom are like and Tom won all
the Super Bowls, but at the end, Tom was frustrated,
I'm not respected. We have no wide receivers that can
get open. I'm taking pay cuts. Where are the playmakers

(44:46):
around me? And I think Joe's like, you won't protect me.
I'm I'm the car. That's the insurance policy. You won't pay,
the policy known as the old line.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, and so I just wonder. I obviously hope Joe
Burrow doesn't retire like he you know, I and Diana
Rossini reported that people are taking that too far with
the Andrew Luck comparisons.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
I hope she's I hope she's right. But if he's.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Fallen out of love with football because of the physical
toll it's taken on his body, and the toll it's
taken on his like mental health and like the price
of fame, then anything's possible, you know. But I would
say also, just like so like that's one thought. Other thought.

(45:31):
If you're right and it's man, he's tired of the Bengals,
what do you think twenty two to twenty six teams
should call Cincinnati this offseason and say our quarterback plus two.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
First round picks for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Right, Like, he's unbelievable, He's in his prime, his contract
is relatively reasonable. Like basically every team in the league
should at least make that phone call.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
If he loves football and hates Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Everyone should try to get Joe Burrow to demand to trade.

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(47:55):
the six, five and a half Fernando Mendoza absolutely.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, oh oh, okay, I think you were saying Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Okay, we're saying no shit, And that's a college quarterback
that's unproven Burrow Here, if Burull had no injuries, three
first round picks two two's one to three and all
I need back is a backup. All I need back
is a player. I mean again, what I think Nick

(48:23):
Wright once said this, like, we have undervalued how much
a great quarterback is worth. If Mendoza is as good
as I think he's going to be, Yeah, okay, is
four first round picks unreasonable?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
You you mentioned Nick again?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Uh? And obviously he's a connective tissue between the two
of us. But maybe my favorite Nick take ever was
he says is that he said, I would trade for
Aaron Rodgers. And I know it's against league rules because
it's capped on the number of picks you could say,
but I would trade Aaron Rodgers, and the trade would be,
you can have all of my first round picks for
as long as he's on the tape him right, if

(49:02):
he's if he's on my team for nine years, it's
nine first round picks. If he's on my team for
six years, it's six first round That is a great take.
It's just it's it's beautifully constructed.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well, and it's like, what's funny is so the Packers
have lost Tucker Craft great, Micah Parson's great, Kenny Clark
run stopper, and Christian Watson their deep ball specialist.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well this Zach Tom their right tackle he had the
knee injury.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, he's really good too.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
And yet this weekend they're favored over Chicago. If all
of those players were still there and Jordan Love was out,
you'd be like Bears in a blowout. Like yeah, So
so when you nick nick Wright's take is that there
is no there is no the value is it's it's
the old commercial. It's priceless. Is that if Jordan Love

(49:56):
got hurt and you still had Micah and Kraft and
Watson and Kenny Clarke att, season's over.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I mean right, we see it and listen, you
and I gamble enough. You see it in the point spread.
Sometimes when Kyler's out and Jacoby Brissett's him, there's no
movement in the point spread. Other times when all the
times when Lamar Jackson's out, it's.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Like, oh, that's ten points like on the point spread.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Like, oh, okay, now I know the difference between Lamar
Jackson and Kyler Murray.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
It's significant, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Like, and so there are there are, there are some
of those guys that are true, crazy difference making level players,
and you do anything to get him.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah. I think Mendoza is about as good a prospect
as you're gonna get. I mean, humble, Oh, I think
he's so. And the other thing is I talked to
an NFL coach about him. I said this, this person
may need a quarterback, but won't be able to get Mendoza,
who will go number one. He won't have. He won't

(51:00):
be able to move up, and he said he's also
such an easy player to scout because Indiana runs pro concepts,
so you will know watching his college film, the throws
he canon cannot make. He goes, he's such an easy
and this is a very good coach who may draft
a quarterback in the next two or three years, may not.

(51:22):
It's not urgent, but his take was easy guy to camp.
He said, these big twelve guys like Mahomes, you knew
he was talented, but you're like, what in the hell
is that offense?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yes, he goes.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Mendoza is like, they run pro concepts. You will know.
He goes, it's it's one day I watch in film.
You're like, oh, yeah, you can make that throw, that throw,
that throw, that throw the audible out of that throw.
He goes, he's the easiest guy to scout.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Ever, what.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
So, I haven't done the full deep dive on him.
You've watched more of them, so I'll defer to you
for now on it. But what how would you comp
that to JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Well, you say, bigger athlete what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
But it wasn't the thing on McCarthy, like, yeah, he
doesn't have the most pass attempts, but pro style, winner,
great leader, people love him, all those things.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Well, he also had Jim Harbaugh, the best offensive line
in the country, the best defense in the country, and
they ran a half with no throws. He was never
really asked. They won almost every game in a blowout. Now,
Indiana this year has been blowing people out like Illinois.
But you know, I think remember Mendoza was at cal
and then Mendoza goes to Indiana, and so I think

(52:31):
the feeling on Mendoza is compared to JJ McCarthy, better traits,
better arm, bigger guy, incredibly humble, neat story, his parents, neat,
easy to embrace story. And I think Michigan was not
as pro as you think. It was very run heavy Indiana.

(52:54):
I mean that Ohio State and that Penn State. Those games, like, guys,
we need to score, we need to sling it. This
last drive means everything. And you're going up against the
Ohio State secondary. They got Caleb Downs is going to
be the first seven players taken.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, he's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
So you're watching pro concepts, pro guy. Indiana's got some
pro players. Ohio State secondaries all pro players. It's like
that's easy film to digest and go, that's a great player.
I felt like in the JJ McCarthy when people asked
about JJ McCarthy, they gave my least favorite answer. He's
a winner, Right, Well, what does that mean? I mean

(53:33):
every Florida quarterback Spurrier had was a winner because it
was Steve Spurrier and he was eight years ahead of everybody.
Everybody else in the SEZ offensively, So I think Mendoza
is one of the better easier guys to preview we've seen.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
So that's that's that's really interesting. I'm trying to think, like.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
The Trevor Lawrence as a prospect was like, okay, make
all the throws when.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But Clemson didn't run. Clemson's a very it's more college
than pro Dabbo is very much a college coach, whereas Signetti,
if he was ten years younger, could get an NFL job.
But he's a college guy. He loves college, and he's
in his sixties. If Signetti was fifty two, he'd get

(54:21):
Jim you know, he'd get NFL calls. Absolutely, I think
you know what I think he is. He's a much
better version of Brian Kelly.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I'm just trying.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I'm going back through my in my head of like
the best college prospects that you know, like Burrow at
LSU the year before before Trevor.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I mean part thing for him Burrow was average as
a junior, and the LSU team may have been the
most talented college team in the history of the sport.
So you're like, I was, Yeah, everybody liked him, but
it was like, yeah, his receivers are better than the
Patriots now in college right right?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I uh So, my wife went to Clemson and so
she got me into Clemson football, like starting in Deshaun
Watson's freshman year and for like a basically for the
Deshaun Watson Trevor Lawrence era. That the best era of
Clemson football ever. We watched basically every game, and I'd
say the worst sports bet I've ever made is is

(55:23):
Clemson LSU in the title game. It's like, yeah, I'm
just gonna bet against Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
and Clyde Edwards Hilaire in a dome in Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
This was a mistake. It was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
They scored on like every possession.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
It was like against Clemson for the title it's like, oh,
do you ever they're really good? Like I was maybe
a little bit of a homer on that one.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
When I lose last week. I was two and three,
but I really felt I was on the right side
of Carolina. I thought I had a tips down lead
two minutes left. I thought it was bad coaching by
Dave Canalis. Let's give on a fourth down the ball
to the least skilled offensive player we have, the full
back jesus, I mean, Bryce Young runs well, he's clever,
he's creative, he's slippery. Giving the ball, let him try

(56:09):
to get a yard. So but do you ever make
a bet, You'd say it's a worse bet. About three
or four times a year, I'll make a bet and
I know instantly I didn't think about that. Like, for instance,
Miami beat the Jets and the thing was over in
four minutes, and I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Mike
McDaniel is coaching for his job. His staff is coaching

(56:33):
for their jobs. You could tell their game plan was clever,
they were into it. They had huge juice and energy.
It's like they look like they were in a playoff game,
and the Jets are like, we need a better draft pick.
Nobody's getting fired here, So yeah, that's a game I
knew eight minutes. I'm like, I just picked up. I
didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah all the of course, all the time, I thought
you were gonna go the other way, because this is
the one that I do all the time that Nick hates.
I'm like, like, well, I lost that bet, but I
was on the right side.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
All the time. I'm like, I'm happy. I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I'm not not happy, but I'm fine to lose that
bet because I know I was.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I handicapped it correct.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Bad line was the pick Revenge Spot Extra Rest. They
were the pick last week.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Yeah, and then the other thing that I do with
gambling that I need to get over, but I just
I hold grudges. I love Survivor contests. I've never won one.
I could probably buy like a BMW with every dollar
I've lost the Survivor over my career doing it, I
could probably have a much nicer car.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Than I do right now, or at least least one.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
But this year, me and a couple of buddies who
gambled together, we did an entry in like a Super
Survivor where it's it's a five thousand dollars entry into
a Survivor Yeah, massive, massive, massive, massive size, like you know,
literally seven figure payout type thing, not a ton of entrants.

(58:05):
And so like me and a couple of guys, real
sharp people, huge NFL guys, gamblers, money people, numbers all
the thing, and I obviously have a percentage of it.
And we got eliminated on the Falcons against the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
This is taking Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
This was earlier early in the year, before we knew
that Carolina was actually legit this year. And Carolina won
thirty to zero, and we're we're and we're on Atlanta,
and I'm like, I made a pledge, just like I'll
never bet Atlanta the rest of the year.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Like I won't do it. I'm like, I refuse.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
They haven't been in a show pick, they haven't been
in other Survivor contests. I will bet against them, and
then when I bet against them, they cover. I'm like,
the Atlanta Falcons this year are my least favorite team
in football by so far because of that Survivor pick.
And I know that I shouldn't be admitting that bias,
but I'm like, I hold a grudge against you.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
This has been I don't like them. There's been a
running joke in my show for years. They the Atlanta
Falcons are an ATM machine, the opposite I only give
money to it. It's they're the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Of the irls.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yeah, like, all I do is get audited and pay
write checks. I don't think I could not tell you
the last time I won on the Atlanta Falcons. They're
the weirdest franchise in the league.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Weird, it's just it's just it's insane.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
But then they go on Thursday and beat Baker Mayfield
in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah, of course they did.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And Kyle Pitts had the best game as a pro,
best game, best game as a pro by far in
Week one of the Fantasy Playoffs, three weeks before its
contract time for Kyle Pitts like, well, what do you
do with that? Because he looked he looked like a
combination of like Ozzie Newsome and Tony Gonzalez, And he's like, oh, okay, well,

(59:58):
I guess you're awesome, but maybe you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I have no idea what the hell's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, all I will say, though Bijeon is great, Jean's
not tough to scout. He is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
He is Falcons proof. It's like, oh, that guy is
one of the best players in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Like, I know, the NFL Top one hundred list is
super flawed and biased and all that. I'm like, but
that guy, if he showed up to the top ten
on next year's list, I'd be like, yeah, I got
no problem with it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah. I had a GM tell me it was. He
said he's the cleanest running back he's taken since Ladanian Tomlinson.
He said, doesn't fumble, great kid, great locker room, can catch,
can block, can run. It seemed like he got into
a pissing match with Arthur Smith his rookie year, like
he just stopped using him. But no, it's yeah, Bjean's great.

(01:00:43):
And for a long time there was don't take a
running back in the first round, and there's been some misses.
But Christian McCaffrey and Bijean and Saquon and Zeke, it's
like this kid for Notre Dame, Jeremiah Love. Yeah, that
he's that's a first round player.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, you know, and I think think, like I think
it's gone a little bit. The names that we just mentioned,
Jamir Gibbs, included like are our reasons to do it,
but also like because the rookie, when you know it's
not the number one pick, is not getting sixty million
dollars anymore, like JaMarcus Russell, like it got slotted down

(01:01:19):
that if it that any player who hits on a
first round contract is a huge value. Now, a quarterback
that hits is more valuable. A left tackle who hits
is more valuable relative to like what they get paid.
But it's you get the fifth year option on first
round picks, and you don't want running backs in their
late twenties early thirties traditionally some guys are starting to

(01:01:43):
break that mold, but running backs a young man's game,
so especially at the end of the first round when
the contract's really cheap. Like we saw the Chiefs do
it with Clyde Edwards Hilayer. It didn't work out, but
I totally supported the logical. I think the Patriots did
it with Sony Michelle one year. Again it didn't really
work out, but like end of the first round, talented

(01:02:03):
running back who you can execute the fifth year option
on if he works out, and so you have him
for his age like twenty three through twenty eight season.
I actually think that's like a really sharp franchise move.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
To make I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Danny Parkins is always buddy, great chatting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, this was fin Our Hours, fly by Man. We'll
do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
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