Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Things First” on FS1.
They begin with the strong start for Danny’s Chicago Bears and why every Bears fan should be happy with the results 25 games into Caleb Williams career. (3:00) Colin highlights the importance of getting the quarterback right because the bottom 6-7 teams are completely unwatchable (8:00).
They debate why international NBA stars like Jokic and SGA in the NBA Finals don’t get as much traffic as stars like Ohntani in the World Series (17:00). They discuss the must-watch nature of the World Series and the watchability of postseason vs. regular season baseball and debate whether Luka’s brand combined with the Lakers could buck the trend (19:30).
Colin argues he’s been right for years that Joel Embiid was fool’s gold and despite his talent, he doesn’t mesh well within the construct of a team (29:30).
They talk about the great turnaround in Sam Darnold’s career and discuss the huge whiffs by the Vikings and Browns letting Darnold and Baker Mayfield leave and thrive elsewhere (36:00).
They look ahead to the upcoming NFL slate and which games they like from a betting perspective (41:30), and debate where the Packers coach stacks up against other coaches in the league (54:00).
Finally, they give their takeaways from Zohran Mamdani’s win in the NYC mayoral race and Danny is happy he doesn’t have to watch any more ugly anti -Mamdani political ads. Colin argues that political parties, like NFL teams, are only good when they land their star (1:02:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Parkins joining me. We just talk about a bunch of stuff.
I don't even know where I'm going. Let's pivot now
to the Bears. Sure they got the coach in the quarterback.
The defense stinks. We still don't like the owner, the
(01:11):
front office, I doubt I love the coach. The quarterbacks
super talented. There's a lot that they're not doing right,
like a political party. The Bears now lead the NFL
in big plays. That's good for me, And isn't it.
They're a flawed team from ownership down, But they got
the two things that appears right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Absolutely, there's no question. I mean, the one I always
say is it's a fun turn of phrase, is like
the Bengals were the Bungles until they got Joe Burrow.
You know, the Chiefs didn't win a single game with
the quarterback they drafted since Todd Blackledge and then it
was Patrick Mahomes. You know, so it can change on
a dime. And I find it to be amazing that
(01:56):
the Bears are fourth and rushing, fourth in yard's sixth
in score, crazy back, in explosive plays, and everyone's like,
is Caleb good? I'm like, listen, and by the way,
to be fair, to be fair as someone who's watched
every snap of every game, closer than any team in
the NFL, like they got some of those numbers got
(02:18):
fat against Dallas and Cincinnati, objectively true, and some of
the explosive play stuff is running game based, and they've
been much better running out of the by Washington, New Orleans,
Baltimore and then the game last week. But so it's
not all because of Caleb. Caleb's not playing as well
as Drake Many, Caleb's not playing as well as Josh
(02:39):
Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But if you told me twenty
five games into his career, on his third play caller
and second head coach, that they would have by the numbers,
a top ten offense and a winning record in year two,
one hundred percent of Bears fans would have signed up
for it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's what I always tell whenever my wife's, you know,
getting a little concerned about our kids. I'm like, if
i'd have told you twenty years ago when we met,
none of them would be in jail, none would have
a drug problem, We'd have a vacation home and a
nice house, and our kids would still call us. Would
you have signed up for it? Yes, then don't worry
about tomorrow. It's all good. Think about this. So my
(03:23):
take is every NFL offense has a whole Let me
give an example. I'm going to give you the best
offenses in the NFL two weeks ago. What you thought
Green Bay today? They have no offensive identity. These are
the better offenses the Rams Pukazo was hurt and Stafford
has no mobility. Philadelphia depends on the game in the half.
(03:47):
Denver terrible offense for three quarters every single game. San
Francisco battle line totally Christian McCaffrey dependent, Indianapolis does anybody
like Daniel Jones. I just named the good offenses in
the NFL, right right. So the truth is we pay
so much attention to offense, Danny, and I'm guilty of this.
(04:09):
We nitpicked the Bears, big plays, run the ball, well coached,
take it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
No doubt, no doubt, and and I have. I came
into the year with optimism, but with zero percent like
they're a contender or they're gonna win the Super Bowl.
So to me, this season has been it's been a
little bit of a heart attack inducing. I might say
some things during these Bear games that if like anyone
(04:40):
other than like Nick Right was next to me, I'd
be like, that might get me canceled. Uh, you know
what I mean. Like it's a stressful watch. But I
have no illusions that this is a great team, like
the defense is flawed, the quarterback is young. It's a
new system that they've got. They've had serious left tackle
QUI questions. Their two best cornerbacks are hurt. We don't
(05:02):
know if Jalen Johnson is coming back, like this year,
he'll come back eventually, obviously, Like they're not going to
win the super Bowl. They probably won't make the playoffs
though they might well see because weird things happen in
the NFL. But again, like do you have the coaching quarterback?
I can work with that. Yeah, because they also it's
not just like they got a lot of talent and
(05:24):
this all the time, like, oh, Doonsay is talented? Loveland
is talented. They're right tackle Darnell Wright looks like a
stud for you.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
De Andre Swift is an excellent top twelve back.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, manung guy who has been has been great the
last you know, game and a half since Swift has
been hurt. Looks looks good. They they have pieces, they
have talent, and they are clearly on the up and up.
And Caleb he gives them a ceiling that feels kind
of limitless because of how crazy the physical talent is.
(05:56):
Like if Ben Johnson can actually get him to be
ninety percent of what his talent suggests that he should be.
The Bears are going to be good for the next decade.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you know, I was, I said years ago. I
was on this. I think one of my favorite things
in sports is trying to find a trend before it
gets discussed nationally. I love doing that. Sometimes I hit,
sometimes I miss.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's not about being right. It's about just kind of
trying to see around a corner and go, I think
this is a problem. So I started this about five
years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I said.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The downside to building a league to protect the quarterbacks
and being totally quarterback center, and I started this five
years ago is if you don't have a quarterback, you're unwatchable.
And right now, seven of the teams in the NFL,
seven of thirty two you're getting into what is that
(06:46):
twenty one twenty two percent your matthier than me, Jet Saints, Brown's, Titans, Raiders, Washington.
Now that Jaden Daniels is hurt, Giants are no day
at the beach if they get beat this weekend by
the Bears seven to thirty two teams, it's becoming the
NBA where your bottom six to seven are not only bad,
they're bad to watch. And I never so I think
(07:07):
my downside of the NFL, because I do think it's
by far and away the most embraceable, watchable, betable, viewable
league is as the league becomes so quarterback dependent, if
you don't have one, and even if you do and
he's not protected by a good online you're in big trouble.
There is a lot of bad football in that one
o'clock window, and we are increasingly seeing bad football in
(07:27):
the Sunday night game and the Monday night game.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, well, you never know when you're gonna get a
good slate, and you never know when you're gonna get
a bad slate. Like everyone in the world was down
on Kleb and they were playing Joe Flacco and it
was the game of the week, Like you met like
the teams that you said that had the bad quarterbacks,
like one of them was Washington, And yet it's because
(07:53):
Jaden Daniels has hurt. But no Washington fan is like,
we don't have our quarterback, Like we might have some
questions because he's already had four injuries in his career,
but he was in the NFC Championship game as a rookie. Like,
it's not like Commanders fans can't have reason to like
buy the jersey of their quarterback. I can tell you
the Giants fans are buying the hype on Jackson Dart
(08:14):
what the NFL does because it's a there are thirty
two teams and there are not thirty two Patrick Mahomes's
So it's so quarterback dependent, like there are not enough
great ones for the job. That's true, But the NFL
has done such an unbelievable job of selling hope and
parody and worse to first and it's such an obsessed
draft culture, more than any other league combined by far
(08:36):
multiplied by a million, that like two days ago was
what a top five day for a Jets fan in
the last decade because you've just convinced yourself, Okay, we've
got five first round picks in the next two years,
will find our quarterback. Now the odds say they'll find
their next Zach Wilson. But like, it is still an
(08:58):
exciting thing for a Jets So on a week to
week basis, like sure is, can you get a bad
Monday night game? Hell, we're going to get the Cowboys
in a primetime window. I think it's like five of
the next seven weeks with Thanksgiving Sunday night football, and
they might end up being awful. We'll see. But in general,
I just think NFL fans are so conditioned to like
(09:20):
believe in hype and believe in hope that I don't
think anyone really tunes out their team.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So I thought it was I thought one of the
real interesting things. And this has been pretty well chronicled
that the best players in the NBA are now international,
and international players, though gracious and gifted, more skilled than
any we've ever had, often don't move them the needle
that you know, a Jokic or a Wemby or an
(09:47):
Sga maybe remarkable players, but I don't know. We like
our domestic guys. We like our MJ's and our Kobe's
and our Lebron's. We like personalities. Magical was smiled, Kareem didn't.
Kareem was People didn't really like him. Magic was all smiles.
People loved him. Bird was feisty and blue collar, resonated.
(10:07):
Doctor J was cool. Resonated. International guys don't yet. In baseball,
a World Series got twenty seven million viewers in the
United States with one city, Toronto's ratings don't count, and
the two best players were Japanese. And I thought about this,
how do you reconcile that so international players. I thought
(10:27):
they didn't really move the needle. One American team was
not one city only was involved in the ratings. NBA
had two, and Baseball virtually doubled it or got a
significantly higher number. Now, some would argue that Manfred speeding
up the game has helped the sport. Clearly, I think
on the margins eight to ten percent, not forty to
(10:50):
fifty percent. But it's made it much more consumable. You
could argue the Dodgers are just the most interesting team
since the Yankees with Jeter. I noticed that two years
ago when the Dodgers went to Yankee Stadium for a
series the one ta Oscar Hernandez crushed. There were Dodger
hats everywhere. It was unbelievable. How do you explain two
(11:10):
best players are international, doesn't work in the NBA, works
in baseball? Or are we looking at a Warriors like
dynasty that is just fascinating to everybody in the country.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, I think there's a few things Dodgers are a
huge brand. Like it doesn't surprise me that Dodgers hats
in New York like they used to be here, you know.
So I mean, seriously, it's an old man's game in
the Brooklyn Dodgers. Like that's a thing that's passed down.
So I think that that the Dodgers, you know, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs,
(11:44):
Red Sox, those are like the brands that seemingly everybody
cares about to kind of transcend the sport. Then you
add in Otani and this Babe brewth thing. You add
in that live sports are crushing, right, everything else is struggling. Yeah,
like everything is struggling. Live sports are crushing, and it
(12:07):
was the I do think there is something too that
was just awesome sports. Yeah, Like that series was great,
Like the the eighteen inning game crossed over, you know
like that. I think I think that that really helped
the series. It was like, wait, what happened? There was
(12:30):
a game that went eighteen innings and all of the
highlights and like that that was that felt like a
football level event, like a water cooler event that I
don't know if people have water coolers at their place
of business anymore. But like you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
the type. It was the type of thing that people
My wife could not care less about baseball. She the
(12:51):
next day was like, did you what time did you
come to bed? Like it's like like it like came
into her orbit, you know what I mean. And so
I think that that game early in the series, all
of a sudden made people feel like I can't miss
anything else in this series because I missed I missed
(13:12):
that all time thing. And then in the game six
was awesome, and so it set up for Game seven
to be this like much must watch thing. So I
think it was a perfect storm of events. And I mean, listen,
last year was Yankee Yankees Dodgers, and this one beat it. Yes,
that's a that's a great story for baseball to be
in no New York market, no other domestic market. I
(13:36):
also think Game six and seven were late inning fantastic.
They were just I mean, it's I love the fact
that Dave Roberts pulled every weird lever and they all worked,
all of them. It was man baseball. The tension of
baseball is so listen, playoff hockey. The tension rises Game seven.
(14:00):
In any sport NCAA tournament single elimination, right, and when
eliminations on the line, the tension is high. I used
to say, like, I love sports so much that like,
I'll watch anything if it's the highest stakes World Series
of Dark Bowling, right, Like if it's the highest stakes
and the best of the best. But it's but it's baseball.
It's America's past time, and you're like this, you're gonna
(14:21):
give me great baseball in a Game six and a
Game seven with a little David and Goliath field. Not
that the Blue Jays like looked like underdogs in the series.
They arguably outplayed the Dodgers, but just it was like
the big bad Dodgers, the dynasty and then this team
that was just mashing. It was I couldn't look away.
It was compelling sports theater. Like I know they would
(14:42):
never have it go up against the NFL, but like
I would have chosen Game seven of that World Series
over an NFL game if confronted with the choice. Man,
I'm a ten times bigger NFL fan than I am
baseball fan.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Oh No, I watched multiple playoff games in October over
football games, and I'm a football guy. There's no question
and I, you know, and I've said this before, is
there are just certain things that are like college basketball
that opening weekend is magical, but it's really hard to
(15:18):
get me in November, you know, or you know, the
Maui Invitational isn't moving me to a TV set. It's
the same in baseball regular season, it's a bit tedious,
But baseball is one of those things. For about six weeks,
it's fascinating. And I do think there's a there's a
chess component. I like architecture. You're very good with math
(15:38):
and betting. There's like an architecture and the build and
of the drama. You know, it's almost like the two
minute drill in football happens in baseball.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
For nine innings.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You're getting these constant stakes on every batter.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I think my thing with my thing with baseball.
Boog Shambi great play by play guy, Buddy Mine does
you know because the World Series rep radio but is
now locally for the Cubs. So I got him to
know him over the past few years. He said this thing,
and uh, he likes to think about the game and
rules and tinker with it. He's smart guy, thoughtful guy.
He said, you know, if we've created baseball tomorrow, we
(16:15):
wouldn't make it one hundred and sixty two games. Like,
it's just it's an outdated thing. And so what's the
math of it is that one of one's sixty two
is statistically meaningless, right, But then when you take that
sport and then you inject it into like game seven
(16:38):
or best of five, and it's like, oh my god,
now that it's fascinating. Now a baseball game feels like the NFC,
Like a divisional round game feels like the NFC championship game,
you know. And so I think that juxtaposition of it
goes from like meaningless to the most meaningful is why
it's great. I want to ask you though about that
you're you said about the international guys in the end,
(17:02):
what do you think will happen, Like, say Lebron retires
at the end of the year and then you have
Luca on the Lakers. Yeah, because you have Sga Oklahoma City,
Jannis Milwaukee, Jokic Denver. If you take international player, international
(17:22):
superstar with global brand, right, do you think he will
be less impactful than an American star on the Lakers
or will the Lakers brand plus his brilliance kind of
overrule be an exception to your international question.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's a good question. I think the Lakers brand with
Luca will be fascinating. I think NBA may become a
little bit more regional and local. And that was baseball's
problem until the Yankees and the Dodgers and the Cubs.
The Cubs a national team kind of brought everybody back
into the tent. And then Rob Manfred quick, you know,
making rule changes to speed the game up, more base runners,
(18:00):
defensive shift out. That brought more people back into the game.
It's gone in stages, right. This dynasty just started two
years ago. The rule changes, a lot of them started
three and four years ago. So everything was percolating, percolating.
Here come the Dodgers that dominate, bang the numbers gigantic.
So the baseball right now today, Danny feels more national
than it has in forever. The NBA has gone the
(18:22):
other way without the dynasties. It's gone baseball's direction where
it feels a little bit more local. Luca and the
Lakers could make that feel more national, or a Knicks championship.
But it's interesting, Boston, and this is why I say
that this is not a criticism of the NBA. It's
gotten very local. And the example I would give is
(18:44):
the Celtics Championship, that's the second biggest brand. It got
a terrible number. The Celtics did with MVP level Jason
Tatum from Duke, So the biggest college brand, the second
biggest NBA brand got a crap number. To me is
NBA has gotten more local and regional with the dismantling
(19:05):
of the dynasties. Baseball in three four years has gotten
more national. They've switched spots, and the ultimate payout for
that is in the Championship where the NBA numbers dip
and the Baseball numbers surge. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I think it's. I think it's a totally reasonable theory.
I think that because you're judging it based on like
NBA Finals ratings and World Series ratings, that's right. Yeah,
and listen that the math right now on that is undeniable.
I also think that like any sport that plays that
many games, it's in the build up to it is
(19:41):
going to be more local and regional. Because again I'll
just use like my team as the example. Like if
I'm a diehard Cubs fan and the game now is
you know, two hours and forty minutes used to be
three hours and fifteen minutes whatever. It's a large chunk
of time. When I'm done watching the Hubs game, I'm
not going to turn on Diamondbacks Mariners, right. It's because
(20:06):
one of one's sixty two of that. I can't. Whereas
football because every game means so much and gambling and
fantasy and it's like one day a week and all that.
Like I can feel like I watched the whole league.
You can't do that in basketball. It's I mean, the
games are all on, but it's impossible if I want
to be a Bulls fan and be a diehard NBA fan,
(20:30):
I mean, you're just it's you don't have enough hours
in the day to consume all of it unless you're
like a single guy and you're twenty five years old,
and you don't you know what I mean. Like, it's
just there's too there's too much, there's too much inventory
to be a fan of everything all the time. And
so I feel like a lot of us like play
catch up when the playoffs come around, because oh, the
(20:53):
games are bigger, they matter more, And that's when it
is like you know wemby Luca last night I paid
attention to obviously we talk about on the show today,
but a random regular NBA game in football season like talk,
I'll talk to you in February.
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Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
If you ever thought, like I've said before, I'd love
to be a general manager, probably NFL over NBA.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But if you ever thought, and I don't, I'm not
delusional or misguided in my understanding that I haven't put
the time in it to be good. I think there's
probably five or six things in my life I could
have succeeded at had I given the time I gave
to media. You know, I would never have been a
concert pianist or a shortstop for the you know, Orioles.
(23:56):
But I could have done a lot of things transferable skills, stockbroker, teacher,
you know, sportscaster, that kind of stuff. But occasionally there'll
be something and I feel like I've been saying something
for years and everybody's disagreed with me in the NBA,
and I'm right, and I'll throw it to you. I
never bought into Joel Embiid, so I always had a
(24:19):
belief that if you're hurt early, you're hurt often. I
thought he was too socially engaged on social media. I
thought he was a weird fit. Whenever I would watch
the Sixers, even on the Olympic team, he'd have the
ball too often in the perimeter, getting into the way
of wing and guard play. And now the Sixers have
basically abandoned Joel Embiid and in exchange for letting Tyrese Maxi,
(24:43):
who I said three years ago was going to be
an absolute a. And then they get VJ. Edgecomb from Baylor.
It's a backcourt team and they're fun to watch. They're
wildly quick, very dynamic. And my take is this embiid
thing was fool's gold four to five years ago, and
even smart Darryl Morey bought into it. And I think
(25:05):
to myself, did everybody kind of know it was? I
onto something? So that just the joelmb deterioration and some
of it's physical. I feel like I can't believe everybody
else didn't see this.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, he did win MVP.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Kind of gilt trip. It was kind of a guilt.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh okay, fine, then he should have been second. Like
you know, so Joel and Bie like uh So, I
was working in Kansas City, and Kansas City is a
fascinating market because highest local ratings for a playoff team
for baseball I still think is the Royals in twenty fourteen.
Like they love sports. It's the only pro sport market.
(25:50):
It's the only market in the country that's top twenty
for college football, top five for college baseball, their top
five for World's Cup, their top five for Olympics. Like
they just watched sports. It's all they do. And so
we would cover Kansas basketball because it was like the
third pro team. It's like Chiefs Royals KU basketball. Lawrence
was forty minutes away from Kansas City, big time sports single,
(26:12):
go to a college town, watch a basketball game, go
out to the bars. Was great. So that Andrew Wiggins
Joel Embiid team I covered, and I remember seeing him
at like practices and shoot a rounds and I was like,
this kid was so raw, but so crazy gift. I mean,
he had been basically a volleyball player two years before
(26:33):
and he had just started picking up a basketball. So
like where Joelle Embiid got to MVP of the NBA
from picking up a basketball for the first time when
he was like sixteen years old is a remarkable success story,
like it, you know, like it's just it's a crazy thing.
He's a wildly talented dude. But I think your point
(26:55):
on the injury is the thing that they all overlooked
big guys. If they're hurt early, they stay hurt. Big
guys are more likely to be like I think that
he was a big personality. A lot of guys are
big personalities. Caleb is on social media, Lebron is on
social media. Like, I don't think that was a part
of it, though I could understand why it turned you
off at the time, But I wish that like, and
(27:18):
this is stupid to say, but like, injuries are just
cruel because we don't. It robs us of what it
could have been. It robs us of Derek Rose, It
robbed us of Grant Hill, It robbed us of Brandon Roy.
And I really do think it robbed us of Joel Embiid,
because when he was good, he was.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But the question isn't his talent, it's fitting into the
construct of a team. So when they become on the
Olympic team, it's like everybody worked except Embiid.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And in the East.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
When Lebron left the East, it was awful. He could
not win, generally speaking, a second playoff series. I always
said this about John wall I don't doubt his talent.
At one point he was the fastest player in the NBA.
I don't think he played winning basketball, but I thought
he played consumable basketball. It wasn't necessarily great for the
Remember when he got hurt one year left and went
on like a ten game winning streak. It's like, right,
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I saw him.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I saw him in college and I was like, I've
never seen anyone that fast as the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It was it was like any other player. It was crazy,
But I always said with Embiid is when I watched him,
his teammates didn't like playing with him like he like
Some players like Jordan may have pissed people off, but
you could sense that his teammates loved when he dunked
on people. I always thought Embiid and Tobias Harris or
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Paul George or A Simmons or a Harden didn't necessarily
they weren't happy when he scored. And I just I
guess my whole point on this is there are times
like I know a lot of people that thought Sam
Darnold was good and he would rebound from the Jets mess.
I didn't know if he'd be this good, but I
said he's a poor man's Andrew Luck. I got killed
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for that for seven six years, got killed for it,
and I kept saying, he is a poor man's Andrew Luck.
Now he looks like Andrew Luck, He's not.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Even that's that's maybe you should be a general manager
in football and basketball. That one is like, listen to me, now,
believe me. Later on All Star for Colin Cowherd, what call.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I should also mention that I thought Yao Ming would
be a bust and Juan Dixon out of Maryland I
thought would be a top ten player.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Ever, so well we all have him. John Baldwin the
receiver out of pitt I was like, I mean, like
I was like Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones, like I
don't know, like which one is a better comp for
this guy? Like it was unbelieved. I think I maybe
slightly overrated him beating Syracuse. He is a smidge it is.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It is funny about personnel, though, I mean, Darnold's an
amazing story. We were talking about listen in the show today.
I said, you see all the time where a great
actor Tom Hanks takes a bad movie terminal and you're like, oh,
Marlon Brando did that, you'd have you know on the
waterfront and he had six bombs. You see great restaurants
lose a chef. They go from Michelin star to just
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a really good restaurant. You never see terrible hot dog
and a stick becomes zaggat rated. Like that's not the
way it works. There is no terrible to great for actors.
You're either like straight to video, Lindsay Lohan doesn't become
Meryl Streep. It doesn't work that way except Sam Darnald.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Denny was terrible, then he became pretty good because Baker
won a playoff game and in that year had a
ninety six passer writing.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He was never terrible, right, I mean, Daniel Jones got
a second contract. D Daniel Jones won a playoff game.
Sam Donald was terrible, but he also like what did
he have forty starts? Thirty thirty five, thirty eight starts?
Like it wasn't like that large of a body of
pats came in the league at twenty one, he was
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so young to think about that he came out into
the league. Yeah, four years into the league.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
He was younger than guys that were getting drafted, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And that's I mean, that's like like I think Trevor
Lawrence and Michael Pennox are the same age. Like right now,
it's just like a weird it's like a weird thing
to have to deal with and so yeah, like to me,
the most interesting part of this is, I mean, obviously
the Donald story is incredible, and I think Seattle is
the only team in the NFL right now top five
in offense and top five in defense, Like we have
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to treat them as real. I did not believe in
that Vikings team last year. I'm just not gonna I
do believe in this Seahawks team. But I want to
know what teams are gonna do. Like are the Colts
not going to give up on Anthony Richardson? Like obviously
Daniel Jones is working, they just traded for Sauce Gardner.
They're all in. They'll probably franchise tag Daniel Jones, I
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would imagine. But is the lesson that these teams are
going to take from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and
Daniel Jones being like he can't give up on guys,
like we don't have to play them, but we cannot
give up on talent. Like if we truly believe that
there is a franchise quarterback in here, it would be
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it would haunt me if I'm a Browns fan to
see Baker Mayfield doing this, or if I'm a Panther
fan to see Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold doing this,
I don't know how you how you go to sleep?
Go to sleep at night?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay, so what a what a Baker and Sam have
in common? Baker went to Cleveland and then Carolina poorly
run teams, and then McVeigh said, I like him. Okay, okay,
Sam jets Carolina. Then Kyle Shanahan's like, I like him.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Is that it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Could be in venture capitalism, it could be on Wall Street,
it can be in sports. The smart take from the
less skilled and the less smart is that the smartest
people in the NFL. Daniel Jones goes from the shipwreck
known as the New York Giants and Kevin O'Connell in
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season Vulture circles all take him, and then from there
Shane Steike and goes, No, all take him. Is that
there's a handful of super smart offensive guys and they
look at all these smart people figure out who can
play and who can't. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan
looked at mac Jones, shocker, Belichick didn't get him. Jacksonville stumbled,
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Oh what a shock. Shanahan's like, actually, those are really
good ball. I think we'll take him. There's about eight
guys in this league now maybe ten, but eight, and
they're really smart. They're with winning organizations. And this happens
in every walk of life. They go to the bad
organizations with worst gms, bad scouts, lousy coaches, lousy coordinators,
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scouting directors that are suboptimal, and they just raid them.
Almost all of these reclamation projects started with bad franchises
and get picked up by the smartest gms in the league.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, but the bad franchises don't believe that they're bad, Like,
you know, it's delusional. Like, so you're right, but Sean
McVay can't sign everybody, Kyle Shanahan can't sign everybody, Like
it's some I just I don't know what I think.
Anthony Richardson's a decent example. And listen, Shane Steiken might
just be an awesome coach, like won eight games and
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nine games with Gardner Minshew and Anthony Richardson and has
a shot at the one seed with Daniel Jones, right, Like,
Shane Steiken might just be the next name that we
need to include with Andy Reid and McVeigh and shans. Right.
It's it's that is that is certainly on the board.
But then my guess is two years from now, Anthony
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Richardson is still a cult. They'll just be like, why
I give up on him? Like, well, we'll just we'll
keep him. We'll keep developing him. We're gonna we drafted
him fourth overall. He can run like Lamar Jackson, but
he's built like Cam Newton, like he's got an arm
like Herbert. Like, we're gonna just see if we can
develop him between the ears and slow the game down
for him. So it'll just be interesting to me to
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see if teams and instead of like cutting guys loose,
be like we'll just we'll sit you for a little while,
like gonna We're not gonna let the Baker Mayfield story
happen to us, because it's just a painful thing for
an organization to go through to like to see you
you drafted the right guy, so it's not and then
he's awesome elsewhere, so like the only it's on you.
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It's just got to be such a shameful feeling for
those organizations.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Do you have a bet of the weekend that you
really like? I'll just throw it out there.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I do think I bull my tab right now, Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, I like Baltimore at Minnesota. First of all, Lamar
Jackson is wicked versus the NFC. Second, I don't really
buy into the JJ McCarthy stuff. After the first scripted
drives third. Baltimore is one of those teams that literally
pre Thanksgiving several weeks before Thanksgiving is in an absolutely
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must win every game mode, and you can't sell urgency
to every locker room. Players know Baltimore players know they
can't lose for a month. I like Baltimore minus the
points on the road a road favorite. Four is a
number that I've always bet That means Vegas doesn't want
to have a four point favorite. They'd like to be
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three or a seven. If they have to give somebody
four to four and a half points, it generate Dell's
you that's the better team.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I think that Baltimore should roll in that game.
I thought the Vikings Lions game last week was weird.
You know, there's a blocked kick they kept. They did
a good job keeping the Lions offense on the sideline lines.
We're a huge favorite of that game. JJ McCarthy had
like one hundred and fifty yards but four touchdowns. I
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thought that was just like a very weird game. If
you play that game ten times, there's no way you
get another one outcome like that. So I don't think
the Vikings are great. And Lamar when he starts in
finishes a game, they're third, their top three and everything,
their top three in yards, their top three and points
their top three and explode like Lamar has been. Like
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the outlier is if he has a bad game, Like
he was awesome basically every game last year, and he
was awesome basically every game of the year before. So like, look,
the questions with Baltimore this year have been injuries. That
is it. It has been their injuries, and their defense
is getting healthier and Lamar is healthy. And it was interesting.
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It was like, what's Lamar going to look like with
rust because he had been injured before, but it was
at the end of the year. We had never seen
him be injured in season and then come back. He
was he like short armed, like one throw on the
first drive, and by the second half he was just
like manipulating the pocket and looking off the safety and
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rolling right on two. I was like, my god, like
he was. He was rusty for like thirty minutes. So
I like the Baltimore pick. I like New England's getting
pointints against Tampa. But I'll tell you my favorite bet
is a total. If I can if I can sell your.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Totally, I have a couple I have a couple of
totals that I think are Gon go ahead because I
have a total.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I like all right under fifty and a half in
Washington Detroit. No Jaden Daniels for Washington, multiple offensive line
injuries in Detroit. Like the explosiveness of what the Lions
are trying to do just hasn't looked as consistent in
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a post Ben Johnson world. Like it flashes and it
has its moments, But if you're telling me that their
best offensive linemen are hurt, questionable, not practicing, a couple
guys might miss, and they've been inconsistent, and I just
the Lions defense as actually like they made it. They
made it tough on Lamar for a stretch of time,
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like they they they've had moments where they've actually looked
better with Hutchison being healthy, and they have not nearly
as injured as last year. I like the under in
that game quite a bit. Finally, I also like that
you bet totals now in You're Blazing five. By the way, Yeah,
I make and I don't do it on the show,
but betting totals is a lot of fun. It's underrated.
I like to make my total bets on Sunday night
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for the following week to see if I can like
get some like line value at close, Like that's going
to be a high scoring game, it's gonna be. It's
like if I if I close better to the number
on my totals, I'm like, I'm seeing the NFL clearly,
but sometimes I miss it by four points and it's
an amoresting.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I have thought about doing props, but I thought this
year I would add an over under every week, I like,
just because the public's doing that. And then I think
next year, and I also I think it's a weird year.
Like I my play was always bet good quarterbacks getting points.
I was always an underdog, always an underdog guy.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, fad the public. Right fade the public is like
a pretty classic like first lesson of gambling, once you
start to take it seriously, be unders fade the public
all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I'm struggling to find under a single underdog. This week,
I thought Steelers with both tackles out for the Chargers
and the Steelers, it will be a home Steeler crowd.
It'll be a sixty five thirty five Steeler crowd. Yeah,
the Chargers are used to that though, but yeah, and
my take was, well, TJ. Watt Steeler pass rush. They
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don't have their tackles. One of the backup tackles is hurt.
I'm like, I think I'll probably just take the points there.
But I looked. I mean, you start to talk about underdogs.
I like Arizona getting six and a half at Seattle
just because it's a division rivalry. Seattle looked almost perfect
against Washington, and then I think, well, Arizona played over
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their skis against Dallas. I don't. I mean, I look
now again, Niners plus three and a half at home.
It would help a lot if they could elicit any
pressure on Stafford. They don't. I mean, I look, Miami
plus nine and a half off a great Buffalo performance
actually looked like the best dog on the board.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I so last year was like one of the all
time great favorites years, and I had a real like
crisis of confidence because it was also the greatest year
I ever had picking games. I was like, am I
just like a public square like you went? But I
really do feel like like I would put three picks
out on TV that were all favorites gambling. Twitter would
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come at me, Oh what a public? What a what
a square and then they would cover And I was like,
last year was a real have and have not year,
Like there were a lot of really bad teams and
a few great teams.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is what I've said.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
The bottom now is not competitive, correct, And so I
think that there is because you don't see two big
of NFL spreads. But just like if you're telling me,
find you an underdog, do you want me to sell
you on? I know there's a mystique to Lambeau at night,
but Philly is coming off of the bye. Yes, the
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game before their bye best their offensive lines looked all year.
Saquon had you know, he looked like last year he
was fantastic and their offensive line was dominant. Game before
that was Jalen Hurts's best game of the year. Green Bay.
There's something. There's something and the and the Tucker Craft
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injury I think is significant because he's like their intermediate
guy and Jordan Love Listen. He's only got three interceptions
this year, but he feels to me like he should
have six or seven. And he almost blew the end
of that game where they got the last playoff with
one second, and he like he just I don't fully
trust him. I don't, and his interceptions are bad, like
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his interception against Cleveland lost in the game, terrible, The
innerception against the Panthers where he threw it into triple
coverage into the wind, indefensible. The play on fourth down
where well Dob stepp out of the back of the
end zone. He still rolled all the way left through it,
all the way back across the field. The guy dropped it.
That should have been one hundred and five yard pick six.
The other way just happened to drop it. So I
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don't fully trust Jordan Love. The running game isn't working,
Philly's coming off a bye. I do like Philly in
that spot quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Hey, So we all make mistakes, but owning up to
them is the right thing to do. So you know
Degree cool Rush deodorant right, Well, last year they changed
the formula and it did not go over well with
their fans. So Degrees the whole thing is it turns
up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up
the effort, and good thing it does. Because cool Rush
fans really turned up the effort to bring the original
formula back. One guy even started an online petition and
(43:51):
Degree listened. They admitted they ft up. They're bringing back
the original cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and
it's exactly how you remember it, cool, crisp and freshness
back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under
four dollars. There's a reason that's been the number one
men's anti perspert for the last decade. It's the same
reason why people were not happy when it changed. So
if you've never tried it, it might be a good
time to see what the fuss is about. Head to
(44:12):
your local Walmart, Target and try the og degree cool
Rush for yourself. Yeah. I think when teams struggle to
find an identity, I worry about them. Like I've said
that San Francisco is flawed and completely beat up, but
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offensively it is Christian McCaffrey three nine times. They know
exactly what works and they figure out ways to get
on the ball. I have no idea what Green Bay's
offense is. I know what the Rams like to do.
They like to run with Kyron Williams on play Action.
It's Pooker Devonte Adams. So I think Green Bay's you know,
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it's one of those things with Matt Lafleur, is that
well that's the cop. I was just telling a friend
this today. Matt Lafleur reminds me of Lincoln Riley at USC.
I know they're bo smart. They actually more than the
public thinks, prefer running the ball. They get very prickly
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very quickly. They get very defensive very quickly. I know
they're good play designers and play callers. I don't know
if they build the best culture. I question a little
bit their ability to get men to rise and follow
them over the hill. But I know they're smart. I
know they're good at their jobs. And I look at
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Lincoln Riley and I'm like, yeah, he's he's a really
good coach. I always feel like I want more, you
know what I mean. And I feel like with Matt,
I'm like, yeah, he's smart, he's a really good coach.
But it doesn't feel like Andy Reider, Sean Paydener, Harbar,
Mike Vrabeld. You know what I'm saying. Like it feels
like there's there's I don't know what it is. It's
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a testosterone, it's an anger. There's something visceral missing.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
For me, it sounds like you're putting him in like
the Mike McDaniel category.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
No, he's better than that. Okay, more functional and more
mainline than that. He's more mainstream.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, because like Lafleur's got a lot of pelts on
the wall, Like Aaron Rodgers. They drafted Jordan Love because
they thought Aaron Rodgers was done and then he got
two more MVPs out of Aaron Rodgers. You know, they
were in the NFC Championship game. They played that weird
NFC Championship. The coaching part, I like that part. I
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like that's the biggest part though, Okay, that's the biggest part.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Like I.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
We all love Dan Campbell, Mike Tollin. They're great quotes,
they're great leaders of men to your thing. Earlier, you
could have done five or six different things, like Dan
Campbell probably could like lead a business and lead forty
employees to like hit their earnings numbers or whatever the
case may be. Mike Tomlin, no doubt the same thing.
But the guy who can execute the game plan Sunday
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night through Saturday to get you ready for that Sunday
game at one o'clock, Like, to me, that is still
the most valuable piece of it. And I know people
will say, no, you've got to just be a CEO
type and a leader. I'll take the guy who's smarter
than everybody else and a great because like to me,
that leaves me with the Sean mcvays and the Kyle Shanahans,
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and you can have the Dan Campbell's and the Mike
Tomlins and I guess I'll see you in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Well, yeah, I don't think he's Mike McDaniel, but I
don't think he's Sean Payton. He's clearly closer to Peyton
than Mike McDaniel. But I do feel there's a gap
between Andy Reid bumping Travis kelcey on the sideline is
Sean Payton calling out Russell Wilson In Matt Lafleur, I think.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
That that's true, and I think that that's probably developed
over time. And I don't know, like Lafleur's probably Jordana
Love is so good that I think Matt Lafleur like
And again I just said that I have some questions
about Jordan Love, but Jordan Love is way better than
he is supposed to be, right, And I think that
that is a large part due to Matt withflor So,
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if you can get the best out of late Aaron Rodgers.
I'm convinced that Okay, old dog, new tricks, and you
can have Jordan Love be a top ten, top twelve guy. Okay,
you're a good coach.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Okay. So this is my Lincoln Riley thing. Jaden Mayova
played at UNLV. I was watching television on a Friday
night once and Jade and Mayava played for UNLV. I
think they played Boise State and I'm like, God, that
kid's telling them he's a reckless mess.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
But god he's good.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And then he goes to USC and I'm like, yeah,
he's still really really reckless. I'm not sure because he
didn't start the year as the starter Miller Moss I
think was there transferred then he got it this offseason
I watched Jade and Mayava, I'm like, is he a
second round pick? So like Lafleur, his abil to I mean,
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what Lincoln Riley's done to Jaden Milev over two years
is unbelievable that he's he was just this wild UNLV quarterback.
I didn't even understand what he saw in him. I'm like, well,
it doesn't even look big enough and have a big arm.
So like Laflord, Lincoln Riley. I think this is the thing.
This is something I've talked to executives about in the NFL,
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and they're like, we tend to fall in love with
play designers and play callers. Yeah, but you have to
be careful because really what they are as CEOs, and
I think sometimes Lincoln and Matt I don't feel like
I get quite as much CEO as I want, but
I get a tremendous play caller. And my wife always
says this. She says, you just give smart people the
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benefit of the doubt. There's more to life than smart.
And I'm like, yeah, you're right, there is, But I
do tend to err on the side of that guy's
really bright. I trust him, and I think with Lincoln
and Matt, I'm always left arguing with myself. I mean literally,
when you're describing what he did with Jordan Love, I'm like,
that's what I saw with jade My Alba. With Lincoln Riley,
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it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, yeah, listen. And I mean Andy Reid in Philly
people hated him because he didn't run the ball enough.
Now everybody passes first. And then in Kansas City, he's
got it. He's a dynasty because he's got Mahomes and
it's like, hey, he should be a little bit more
aggressive on fourth down. And then and then this year
he has been like like Andy Reid is as aggressed.
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He's more aggressive on fourth down this year than any
year of his career. He's in his mid sixties. Like,
these guys keep getting better, they keep adding to something
like Andy Reid's resume. We've talked about this a little
bit before in terms of like does he have a
shot at Belichick and greatest of all time and all
that stuff, But like if you look through his history
and it's like Donovan McNabb best season of his life
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is with Andy Reid, Alex Smith best season of his life.
So with Andy Reid, Jeff Garcia that season of his life,
Andy Reid, Kevin Cobb that season of his life, Andy Reid, Yeah,
Patrick Mahomes, Alex Smith, don't remember. I meant to. It's
like six. To Mike Vick, it's legitimately like six or
seven different NFL quarterbacks who have the best season of
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their careers with that guy as their coach. Like that
to me, like, okay, then you're awesome. And that's what
Kyle Shanahan is building that resume. That's what mcveigh's building
that resume. And while Lafleura doesn't have the number of
guys yet, he's just much younger. Like if you're two
for two and and this is small sample, I will
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fully admit this man. That guy won games last year
with Malik Willis when Jordan Love got hurt and Mlik
Willis went in, they won. Now, Malik Wills did not
look like Joe Montana, but they won football games. I've
seen Mike McDaniel's offense without TUA. It's literally unwatchable, you know.
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And so I just I do hold Lafleur in pretty
high esteem. I'm not saying he's a top four coach,
but he's like very comfortably in my top ten.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I did think about this. I mentioned this on the
air today, is that I always trust the American public
and I don't trust political pundits. I don't trust sports pundits.
I trust the American public when they they have a
good gauge on what's inauthentic, what's authentic. And when Johan
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Mandami won in New York, the capitalism center of North America,
he won for two reasons. One the previous politicians weren't
providing something they promised. That always opens the door for
the other side. And the second thing, he had a
very energized, focused, kind of a little bit of a disruptor.
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If he was a business he was a little bit
of a disruptor. And there's a lot of young people
who are unsatisfied with the rent and the cost of living,
and like all of us are, whether you do well
or not well. But my take was on this is
that the media wants you to believe and maybe the
less can be a bit more anxiety filled and neurotic
that it's the Trump is it's never ending. How are
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we going to find the candidates? And my take is
the pendulum just swings back and forth, and Trump always
had a high unfavorable rating most presidents do. His is
higher than people who win, and that it was bound
to be eventually a good night for the blue And
I don't know if I agree with Johan's policies most
I don't. It's more of a moderate I don't. But
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my take is the political media engages in a lot
of grievance and a lot of fear mongering, and the
truth is, the public is what I trust if they
feel one side to authoritarian, they get uncomfortable and they
go even far enough left where Democrats are uncomfortable with
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the mayor of New York. So that's my opening. Take
your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, I think it's been interesting to be in New
York for this whole process. Now I'm in Westchester County,
you know, I'm in suburban New York, but commute into
the city five days a week, and I'll just give
you my kind of opening thoughts on it. I guess
I'm I'm really glad this election is over because those
political ads were some of the nastiest I've ever seen.
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It was wild, it was so crety. Because I listen,
I probably I'm definitely left of you. I have some
skepticism of whether or not some of these policies are
going to work or have any chance of actually being enacted.
I think that the I think local New York politics
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tends to get overstated and overcovered nationally because it's the
capital of the world, and it's the capital of media, right.
All the media corporations are based out here, so I
think that it takes on outsized importance. I think my mom,
Donnie was a very impressive politician like he es you
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could not get him off message, like are you gonna
take a call from Trump if he wants to talk
about affordability for New York. Where's the best place to
get a Postromi sandwich? Well, I know my favorite spot,
but the best one is the one that's affordable for
New Yorkers, like he just like you know, it was
just it was it was relentless, like it was just
I'm gonna match the corporate tax right in New Jersey.
(55:22):
I'm gonna tax millionaires another two percent. I'm gonna freeze
the rent, I'm gonna give you free buses. I'm gonna
make New York affordable. Like those are the five things
and that's all he engaged with.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
But the the I know politics are nasty, and I
know media is meant to divide us, but Colin, there
were literally multiple.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Different ads that showed the twin towers exploding and then
just being like Mandani is gonna be okay with this?
Or do you want him in charge of it? And
it was just like overpronunciation of a Muslim name, showing
the twin towers burning and trying to equate the two
(56:07):
like it was so nasty that I honestly stopped even
caring about the policies, and I was just like, I
want him to win, Like I just like I want
him to win, because it just got it got. It
was so beyond the pale the people that were against
them that I just thought it was so out of
bounds and like frankly uncomfortable watching, like you'd watch football
(56:29):
games here and then it would just be like Andrew
Cuomo ads with the Twin Towers and like nine to
eleven imagery, basically like saying some version of this guy
wouldn't be equipped to handle it to he was happy
that it happened, Like it was just so out of
bounds that I'm just like, really glad this election cycle
was over because I thought it was particularly nasty.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, And I go back to my initial point is
that I trust the public's decision. Everybody is tends to
be idealistic. We all get a bit more moderate or
conservative as we age, so it's not surprising that young
New Yorkers went left. Listen Bernie Sanders, I don't know
if he classifies as a socialist. I don't think he does.
(57:13):
He is a left of left democrat, but he's one
of the more popular people. I can argue had the
Democrats not rail roaded him, he would have been the
candidate going up against Trump.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
I think that's kind of fact at this point. Yeah.
I think the twenty sixteen Bernie probably should have been
the candidate, and the establishment took him over. And listen,
you know we've talked about this on air and off
a little bit, like the Democrats are trying to figure
(57:48):
out who the inspiring people are and the people that
have the clearest messaging are within the Democratic Party, are
like the Bernie AOC wing of the party.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
And is that the most electable thing?
Speaker 3 (58:07):
No?
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Is it the most general thing? No? But at least
they have a clear message. Yeah. I know that Bernie
believes that it's embarrassing that healthcare is in a universal
right for everybody, like and he just that's his message.
That's his message, and it's a pretty popular stance with me,
(58:29):
you know what I mean. So I a messaging like
the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is better at
messaging what matters to them than the establishment wing of
the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Danny parkins these hours fly by Colin.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
It's a highlight of my week.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
And mine too, buddy, Thanks, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
The volume
The volume.
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Parkins joining me. We just talk about a bunch of stuff.
I don't even know where I'm going. Let's pivot now
to the Bears. Sure they got the coach in the quarterback.
The defense stinks. We still don't like the owner, the
(01:11):
front office, I doubt I love the coach. The quarterbacks
super talented. There's a lot that they're not doing right,
like a political party. The Bears now lead the NFL
in big plays. That's good for me, And isn't it.
They're a flawed team from ownership down, But they got
the two things that appears right.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Absolutely, there's no question. I mean, the one I always
say is it's a fun turn of phrase, is like
the Bengals were the Bungles until they got Joe Burrow.
You know, the Chiefs didn't win a single game with
the quarterback they drafted since Todd Blackledge and then it
was Patrick Mahomes. You know, so it can change on
a dime. And I find it to be amazing that
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the Bears are fourth and rushing, fourth in yard's sixth
in score, crazy back, in explosive plays, and everyone's like,
is Caleb good? I'm like, listen, and by the way,
to be fair, to be fair as someone who's watched
every snap of every game, closer than any team in
the NFL, like they got some of those numbers got
(02:18):
fat against Dallas and Cincinnati, objectively true, and some of
the explosive play stuff is running game based, and they've
been much better running out of the by Washington, New Orleans,
Baltimore and then the game last week. But so it's
not all because of Caleb. Caleb's not playing as well
as Drake Many, Caleb's not playing as well as Josh
(02:39):
Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But if you told me twenty
five games into his career, on his third play caller
and second head coach, that they would have by the numbers,
a top ten offense and a winning record in year two,
one hundred percent of Bears fans would have signed up
for it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's what I always tell whenever my wife's, you know,
getting a little concerned about our kids. I'm like, if
i'd have told you twenty years ago when we met,
none of them would be in jail, none would have
a drug problem, We'd have a vacation home and a
nice house, and our kids would still call us. Would
you have signed up for it? Yes, then don't worry
about tomorrow. It's all good. Think about this. So my
(03:23):
take is every NFL offense has a whole Let me
give an example. I'm going to give you the best
offenses in the NFL two weeks ago. What you thought
Green Bay today? They have no offensive identity. These are
the better offenses the Rams Pukazo was hurt and Stafford
has no mobility. Philadelphia depends on the game in the half.
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Denver terrible offense for three quarters every single game. San
Francisco battle line totally Christian McCaffrey dependent, Indianapolis does anybody
like Daniel Jones. I just named the good offenses in
the NFL, right right. So the truth is we pay
so much attention to offense, Danny, and I'm guilty of this.
(04:09):
We nitpicked the Bears, big plays, run the ball, well coached,
take it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
No doubt, no doubt, and and I have. I came
into the year with optimism, but with zero percent like
they're a contender or they're gonna win the Super Bowl.
So to me, this season has been it's been a
little bit of a heart attack inducing. I might say
some things during these Bear games that if like anyone
(04:40):
other than like Nick Right was next to me, I'd
be like, that might get me canceled. Uh, you know
what I mean. Like it's a stressful watch. But I
have no illusions that this is a great team, like
the defense is flawed, the quarterback is young. It's a
new system that they've got. They've had serious left tackle
QUI questions. Their two best cornerbacks are hurt. We don't
(05:02):
know if Jalen Johnson is coming back, like this year,
he'll come back eventually, obviously, Like they're not going to
win the super Bowl. They probably won't make the playoffs
though they might well see because weird things happen in
the NFL. But again, like do you have the coaching quarterback?
I can work with that. Yeah, because they also it's
not just like they got a lot of talent and
(05:24):
this all the time, like, oh, Doonsay is talented? Loveland
is talented. They're right tackle Darnell Wright looks like a
stud for you.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
De Andre Swift is an excellent top twelve back.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, manung guy who has been has been great the
last you know, game and a half since Swift has
been hurt. Looks looks good. They they have pieces, they
have talent, and they are clearly on the up and up.
And Caleb he gives them a ceiling that feels kind
of limitless because of how crazy the physical talent is.
(05:56):
Like if Ben Johnson can actually get him to be
ninety percent of what his talent suggests that he should be.
The Bears are going to be good for the next decade.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you know, I was, I said years ago. I
was on this. I think one of my favorite things
in sports is trying to find a trend before it
gets discussed nationally. I love doing that. Sometimes I hit,
sometimes I miss.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's not about being right. It's about just kind of
trying to see around a corner and go, I think
this is a problem. So I started this about five
years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I said.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The downside to building a league to protect the quarterbacks
and being totally quarterback center, and I started this five
years ago is if you don't have a quarterback, you're unwatchable.
And right now, seven of the teams in the NFL,
seven of thirty two you're getting into what is that
(06:46):
twenty one twenty two percent your matthier than me, Jet Saints, Brown's, Titans, Raiders, Washington.
Now that Jaden Daniels is hurt, Giants are no day
at the beach if they get beat this weekend by
the Bears seven to thirty two teams, it's becoming the
NBA where your bottom six to seven are not only bad,
they're bad to watch. And I never so I think
(07:07):
my downside of the NFL, because I do think it's
by far and away the most embraceable, watchable, betable, viewable
league is as the league becomes so quarterback dependent, if
you don't have one, and even if you do and
he's not protected by a good online you're in big trouble.
There is a lot of bad football in that one
o'clock window, and we are increasingly seeing bad football in
(07:27):
the Sunday night game and the Monday night game.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, well, you never know when you're gonna get a
good slate, and you never know when you're gonna get
a bad slate. Like everyone in the world was down
on Kleb and they were playing Joe Flacco and it
was the game of the week, Like you met like
the teams that you said that had the bad quarterbacks,
like one of them was Washington, And yet it's because
(07:53):
Jaden Daniels has hurt. But no Washington fan is like,
we don't have our quarterback, Like we might have some
questions because he's already had four injuries in his career,
but he was in the NFC Championship game as a rookie. Like,
it's not like Commanders fans can't have reason to like
buy the jersey of their quarterback. I can tell you
the Giants fans are buying the hype on Jackson Dart
(08:14):
what the NFL does because it's a there are thirty
two teams and there are not thirty two Patrick Mahomes's
So it's so quarterback dependent, like there are not enough
great ones for the job. That's true, But the NFL
has done such an unbelievable job of selling hope and
parody and worse to first and it's such an obsessed
draft culture, more than any other league combined by far
(08:36):
multiplied by a million, that like two days ago was
what a top five day for a Jets fan in
the last decade because you've just convinced yourself, Okay, we've
got five first round picks in the next two years,
will find our quarterback. Now the odds say they'll find
their next Zach Wilson. But like, it is still an
(08:58):
exciting thing for a Jets So on a week to
week basis, like sure is, can you get a bad
Monday night game? Hell, we're going to get the Cowboys
in a primetime window. I think it's like five of
the next seven weeks with Thanksgiving Sunday night football, and
they might end up being awful. We'll see. But in general,
I just think NFL fans are so conditioned to like
(09:20):
believe in hype and believe in hope that I don't
think anyone really tunes out their team.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So I thought it was I thought one of the
real interesting things. And this has been pretty well chronicled
that the best players in the NBA are now international,
and international players, though gracious and gifted, more skilled than
any we've ever had, often don't move them the needle
that you know, a Jokic or a Wemby or an
(09:47):
Sga maybe remarkable players, but I don't know. We like
our domestic guys. We like our MJ's and our Kobe's
and our Lebron's. We like personalities. Magical was smiled, Kareem didn't.
Kareem was People didn't really like him. Magic was all smiles.
People loved him. Bird was feisty and blue collar, resonated.
(10:07):
Doctor J was cool. Resonated. International guys don't yet. In baseball,
a World Series got twenty seven million viewers in the
United States with one city, Toronto's ratings don't count, and
the two best players were Japanese. And I thought about this,
how do you reconcile that so international players. I thought
(10:27):
they didn't really move the needle. One American team was
not one city only was involved in the ratings. NBA
had two, and Baseball virtually doubled it or got a
significantly higher number. Now, some would argue that Manfred speeding
up the game has helped the sport. Clearly, I think
on the margins eight to ten percent, not forty to
(10:50):
fifty percent. But it's made it much more consumable. You
could argue the Dodgers are just the most interesting team
since the Yankees with Jeter. I noticed that two years
ago when the Dodgers went to Yankee Stadium for a
series the one ta Oscar Hernandez crushed. There were Dodger
hats everywhere. It was unbelievable. How do you explain two
(11:10):
best players are international, doesn't work in the NBA, works
in baseball? Or are we looking at a Warriors like
dynasty that is just fascinating to everybody in the country.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, I think there's a few things Dodgers are a
huge brand. Like it doesn't surprise me that Dodgers hats
in New York like they used to be here, you know.
So I mean, seriously, it's an old man's game in
the Brooklyn Dodgers. Like that's a thing that's passed down.
So I think that that the Dodgers, you know, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs,
(11:44):
Red Sox, those are like the brands that seemingly everybody
cares about to kind of transcend the sport. Then you
add in Otani and this Babe brewth thing. You add
in that live sports are crushing, right, everything else is struggling. Yeah,
like everything is struggling. Live sports are crushing, and it
(12:07):
was the I do think there is something too that
was just awesome sports. Yeah, Like that series was great,
Like the the eighteen inning game crossed over, you know
like that. I think I think that that really helped
the series. It was like, wait, what happened? There was
(12:30):
a game that went eighteen innings and all of the
highlights and like that that was that felt like a
football level event, like a water cooler event that I
don't know if people have water coolers at their place
of business anymore. But like you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
the type. It was the type of thing that people
My wife could not care less about baseball. She the
(12:51):
next day was like, did you what time did you
come to bed? Like it's like like it like came
into her orbit, you know what I mean. And so
I think that that game early in the series, all
of a sudden made people feel like I can't miss
anything else in this series because I missed I missed
(13:12):
that all time thing. And then in the game six
was awesome, and so it set up for Game seven
to be this like much must watch thing. So I
think it was a perfect storm of events. And I mean, listen,
last year was Yankee Yankees Dodgers, and this one beat it. Yes,
that's a that's a great story for baseball to be
in no New York market, no other domestic market. I
(13:36):
also think Game six and seven were late inning fantastic.
They were just I mean, it's I love the fact
that Dave Roberts pulled every weird lever and they all worked,
all of them. It was man baseball. The tension of
baseball is so listen, playoff hockey. The tension rises Game seven.
(14:00):
In any sport NCAA tournament single elimination, right, and when
eliminations on the line, the tension is high. I used
to say, like, I love sports so much that like,
I'll watch anything if it's the highest stakes World Series
of Dark Bowling, right, Like if it's the highest stakes
and the best of the best. But it's but it's baseball.
It's America's past time, and you're like this, you're gonna
(14:21):
give me great baseball in a Game six and a
Game seven with a little David and Goliath field. Not
that the Blue Jays like looked like underdogs in the series.
They arguably outplayed the Dodgers, but just it was like
the big bad Dodgers, the dynasty and then this team
that was just mashing. It was I couldn't look away.
It was compelling sports theater. Like I know they would
(14:42):
never have it go up against the NFL, but like
I would have chosen Game seven of that World Series
over an NFL game if confronted with the choice. Man,
I'm a ten times bigger NFL fan than I am
baseball fan.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Oh No, I watched multiple playoff games in October over
football games, and I'm a football guy. There's no question
and I, you know, and I've said this before, is
there are just certain things that are like college basketball
that opening weekend is magical, but it's really hard to
(15:18):
get me in November, you know, or you know, the
Maui Invitational isn't moving me to a TV set. It's
the same in baseball regular season, it's a bit tedious,
But baseball is one of those things. For about six weeks,
it's fascinating. And I do think there's a there's a
chess component. I like architecture. You're very good with math
(15:38):
and betting. There's like an architecture and the build and
of the drama. You know, it's almost like the two
minute drill in football happens in baseball.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
For nine innings.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You're getting these constant stakes on every batter.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I think my thing with my thing with baseball.
Boog Shambi great play by play guy, Buddy Mine does
you know because the World Series rep radio but is
now locally for the Cubs. So I got him to
know him over the past few years. He said this thing,
and uh, he likes to think about the game and
rules and tinker with it. He's smart guy, thoughtful guy.
He said, you know, if we've created baseball tomorrow, we
(16:15):
wouldn't make it one hundred and sixty two games. Like,
it's just it's an outdated thing. And so what's the
math of it is that one of one's sixty two
is statistically meaningless, right, But then when you take that
sport and then you inject it into like game seven
(16:38):
or best of five, and it's like, oh my god,
now that it's fascinating. Now a baseball game feels like the NFC,
Like a divisional round game feels like the NFC championship game,
you know. And so I think that juxtaposition of it
goes from like meaningless to the most meaningful is why
it's great. I want to ask you though about that
you're you said about the international guys in the end,
(17:02):
what do you think will happen, Like, say Lebron retires
at the end of the year and then you have
Luca on the Lakers. Yeah, because you have Sga Oklahoma City,
Jannis Milwaukee, Jokic Denver. If you take international player, international
(17:22):
superstar with global brand, right, do you think he will
be less impactful than an American star on the Lakers
or will the Lakers brand plus his brilliance kind of
overrule be an exception to your international question.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's a good question. I think the Lakers brand with
Luca will be fascinating. I think NBA may become a
little bit more regional and local. And that was baseball's
problem until the Yankees and the Dodgers and the Cubs.
The Cubs a national team kind of brought everybody back
into the tent. And then Rob Manfred quick, you know,
making rule changes to speed the game up, more base runners,
(18:00):
defensive shift out. That brought more people back into the game.
It's gone in stages, right. This dynasty just started two
years ago. The rule changes, a lot of them started
three and four years ago. So everything was percolating, percolating.
Here come the Dodgers that dominate, bang the numbers gigantic.
So the baseball right now today, Danny feels more national
than it has in forever. The NBA has gone the
(18:22):
other way without the dynasties. It's gone baseball's direction where
it feels a little bit more local. Luca and the
Lakers could make that feel more national, or a Knicks championship.
But it's interesting, Boston, and this is why I say
that this is not a criticism of the NBA. It's
gotten very local. And the example I would give is
(18:44):
the Celtics Championship, that's the second biggest brand. It got
a terrible number. The Celtics did with MVP level Jason
Tatum from Duke, So the biggest college brand, the second
biggest NBA brand got a crap number. To me is
NBA has gotten more local and regional with the dismantling
(19:05):
of the dynasties. Baseball in three four years has gotten
more national. They've switched spots, and the ultimate payout for
that is in the Championship where the NBA numbers dip
and the Baseball numbers surge. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I think it's. I think it's a totally reasonable theory.
I think that because you're judging it based on like
NBA Finals ratings and World Series ratings, that's right. Yeah,
and listen that the math right now on that is undeniable.
I also think that like any sport that plays that
many games, it's in the build up to it is
(19:41):
going to be more local and regional. Because again I'll
just use like my team as the example. Like if
I'm a diehard Cubs fan and the game now is
you know, two hours and forty minutes used to be
three hours and fifteen minutes whatever. It's a large chunk
of time. When I'm done watching the Hubs game, I'm
not going to turn on Diamondbacks Mariners, right. It's because
(20:06):
one of one's sixty two of that. I can't. Whereas
football because every game means so much and gambling and
fantasy and it's like one day a week and all that.
Like I can feel like I watched the whole league.
You can't do that in basketball. It's I mean, the
games are all on, but it's impossible if I want
to be a Bulls fan and be a diehard NBA fan,
(20:30):
I mean, you're just it's you don't have enough hours
in the day to consume all of it unless you're
like a single guy and you're twenty five years old,
and you don't you know what I mean. Like, it's
just there's too there's too much, there's too much inventory
to be a fan of everything all the time. And
so I feel like a lot of us like play
catch up when the playoffs come around, because oh, the
(20:53):
games are bigger, they matter more, And that's when it
is like you know wemby Luca last night I paid
attention to obviously we talk about on the show today,
but a random regular NBA game in football season like talk,
I'll talk to you in February.
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Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
If you ever thought, like I've said before, I'd love
to be a general manager, probably NFL over NBA.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But if you ever thought, and I don't, I'm not
delusional or misguided in my understanding that I haven't put
the time in it to be good. I think there's
probably five or six things in my life I could
have succeeded at had I given the time I gave
to media. You know, I would never have been a
concert pianist or a shortstop for the you know, Orioles.
(23:56):
But I could have done a lot of things transferable skills, stockbroker, teacher,
you know, sportscaster, that kind of stuff. But occasionally there'll
be something and I feel like I've been saying something
for years and everybody's disagreed with me in the NBA,
and I'm right, and I'll throw it to you. I
never bought into Joel Embiid, so I always had a
(24:19):
belief that if you're hurt early, you're hurt often. I
thought he was too socially engaged on social media. I
thought he was a weird fit. Whenever I would watch
the Sixers, even on the Olympic team, he'd have the
ball too often in the perimeter, getting into the way
of wing and guard play. And now the Sixers have
basically abandoned Joel Embiid and in exchange for letting Tyrese Maxi,
(24:43):
who I said three years ago was going to be
an absolute a. And then they get VJ. Edgecomb from Baylor.
It's a backcourt team and they're fun to watch. They're
wildly quick, very dynamic. And my take is this embiid
thing was fool's gold four to five years ago, and
even smart Darryl Morey bought into it. And I think
(25:05):
to myself, did everybody kind of know it was? I
onto something? So that just the joelmb deterioration and some
of it's physical. I feel like I can't believe everybody
else didn't see this.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, he did win MVP.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Kind of gilt trip. It was kind of a guilt.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh okay, fine, then he should have been second. Like
you know, so Joel and Bie like uh So, I
was working in Kansas City, and Kansas City is a
fascinating market because highest local ratings for a playoff team
for baseball I still think is the Royals in twenty fourteen.
Like they love sports. It's the only pro sport market.
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It's the only market in the country that's top twenty
for college football, top five for college baseball, their top
five for World's Cup, their top five for Olympics. Like
they just watched sports. It's all they do. And so
we would cover Kansas basketball because it was like the
third pro team. It's like Chiefs Royals KU basketball. Lawrence
was forty minutes away from Kansas City, big time sports single,
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go to a college town, watch a basketball game, go
out to the bars. Was great. So that Andrew Wiggins
Joel Embiid team I covered, and I remember seeing him
at like practices and shoot a rounds and I was like,
this kid was so raw, but so crazy gift. I mean,
he had been basically a volleyball player two years before
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and he had just started picking up a basketball. So
like where Joelle Embiid got to MVP of the NBA
from picking up a basketball for the first time when
he was like sixteen years old is a remarkable success story,
like it, you know, like it's just it's a crazy thing.
He's a wildly talented dude. But I think your point
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on the injury is the thing that they all overlooked
big guys. If they're hurt early, they stay hurt. Big
guys are more likely to be like I think that
he was a big personality. A lot of guys are
big personalities. Caleb is on social media, Lebron is on
social media. Like, I don't think that was a part
of it, though I could understand why it turned you
off at the time, But I wish that like, and
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this is stupid to say, but like, injuries are just
cruel because we don't. It robs us of what it
could have been. It robs us of Derek Rose, It
robbed us of Grant Hill, It robbed us of Brandon Roy.
And I really do think it robbed us of Joel Embiid,
because when he was good, he was.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But the question isn't his talent, it's fitting into the
construct of a team. So when they become on the
Olympic team, it's like everybody worked except Embiid.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And in the East.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
When Lebron left the East, it was awful. He could
not win, generally speaking, a second playoff series. I always
said this about John wall I don't doubt his talent.
At one point he was the fastest player in the NBA.
I don't think he played winning basketball, but I thought
he played consumable basketball. It wasn't necessarily great for the
Remember when he got hurt one year left and went
on like a ten game winning streak. It's like, right,
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I saw him.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I saw him in college and I was like, I've
never seen anyone that fast as the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It was it was like any other player. It was crazy,
But I always said with Embiid is when I watched him,
his teammates didn't like playing with him like he like
Some players like Jordan may have pissed people off, but
you could sense that his teammates loved when he dunked
on people. I always thought Embiid and Tobias Harris or
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Paul George or A Simmons or a Harden didn't necessarily
they weren't happy when he scored. And I just I
guess my whole point on this is there are times
like I know a lot of people that thought Sam
Darnold was good and he would rebound from the Jets mess.
I didn't know if he'd be this good, but I
said he's a poor man's Andrew Luck. I got killed
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for that for seven six years, got killed for it,
and I kept saying, he is a poor man's Andrew Luck.
Now he looks like Andrew Luck, He's not.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Even that's that's maybe you should be a general manager
in football and basketball. That one is like, listen to me, now,
believe me. Later on All Star for Colin Cowherd, what call.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I should also mention that I thought Yao Ming would
be a bust and Juan Dixon out of Maryland I
thought would be a top ten player.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Ever, so well we all have him. John Baldwin the
receiver out of pitt I was like, I mean, like
I was like Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones, like I
don't know, like which one is a better comp for
this guy? Like it was unbelieved. I think I maybe
slightly overrated him beating Syracuse. He is a smidge it is.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It is funny about personnel, though, I mean, Darnold's an
amazing story. We were talking about listen in the show today.
I said, you see all the time where a great
actor Tom Hanks takes a bad movie terminal and you're like, oh,
Marlon Brando did that, you'd have you know on the
waterfront and he had six bombs. You see great restaurants
lose a chef. They go from Michelin star to just
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a really good restaurant. You never see terrible hot dog
and a stick becomes zaggat rated. Like that's not the
way it works. There is no terrible to great for actors.
You're either like straight to video, Lindsay Lohan doesn't become
Meryl Streep. It doesn't work that way except Sam Darnald.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Denny was terrible, then he became pretty good because Baker
won a playoff game and in that year had a
ninety six passer writing.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He was never terrible, right, I mean, Daniel Jones got
a second contract. D Daniel Jones won a playoff game.
Sam Donald was terrible, but he also like what did
he have forty starts? Thirty thirty five, thirty eight starts?
Like it wasn't like that large of a body of
pats came in the league at twenty one, he was
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so young to think about that he came out into
the league. Yeah, four years into the league.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
He was younger than guys that were getting drafted, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And that's I mean, that's like like I think Trevor
Lawrence and Michael Pennox are the same age. Like right now,
it's just like a weird it's like a weird thing
to have to deal with and so yeah, like to me,
the most interesting part of this is, I mean, obviously
the Donald story is incredible, and I think Seattle is
the only team in the NFL right now top five
in offense and top five in defense, Like we have
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to treat them as real. I did not believe in
that Vikings team last year. I'm just not gonna I
do believe in this Seahawks team. But I want to
know what teams are gonna do. Like are the Colts
not going to give up on Anthony Richardson? Like obviously
Daniel Jones is working, they just traded for Sauce Gardner.
They're all in. They'll probably franchise tag Daniel Jones, I
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would imagine. But is the lesson that these teams are
going to take from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and
Daniel Jones being like he can't give up on guys,
like we don't have to play them, but we cannot
give up on talent. Like if we truly believe that
there is a franchise quarterback in here, it would be
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it would haunt me if I'm a Browns fan to
see Baker Mayfield doing this, or if I'm a Panther
fan to see Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold doing this,
I don't know how you how you go to sleep?
Go to sleep at night?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay, so what a what a Baker and Sam have
in common? Baker went to Cleveland and then Carolina poorly
run teams, and then McVeigh said, I like him. Okay, okay,
Sam jets Carolina. Then Kyle Shanahan's like, I like him.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Is that it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Could be in venture capitalism, it could be on Wall Street,
it can be in sports. The smart take from the
less skilled and the less smart is that the smartest
people in the NFL. Daniel Jones goes from the shipwreck
known as the New York Giants and Kevin O'Connell in
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season Vulture circles all take him, and then from there
Shane Steike and goes, No, all take him. Is that
there's a handful of super smart offensive guys and they
look at all these smart people figure out who can
play and who can't. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan
looked at mac Jones, shocker, Belichick didn't get him. Jacksonville stumbled,
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Oh what a shock. Shanahan's like, actually, those are really
good ball. I think we'll take him. There's about eight
guys in this league now maybe ten, but eight, and
they're really smart. They're with winning organizations. And this happens
in every walk of life. They go to the bad
organizations with worst gms, bad scouts, lousy coaches, lousy coordinators,
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scouting directors that are suboptimal, and they just raid them.
Almost all of these reclamation projects started with bad franchises
and get picked up by the smartest gms in the league.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, but the bad franchises don't believe that they're bad, Like,
you know, it's delusional. Like, so you're right, but Sean
McVay can't sign everybody, Kyle Shanahan can't sign everybody, Like
it's some I just I don't know what I think.
Anthony Richardson's a decent example. And listen, Shane Steiken might
just be an awesome coach, like won eight games and
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nine games with Gardner Minshew and Anthony Richardson and has
a shot at the one seed with Daniel Jones, right, Like,
Shane Steiken might just be the next name that we
need to include with Andy Reid and McVeigh and shans. Right.
It's it's that is that is certainly on the board.
But then my guess is two years from now, Anthony
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Richardson is still a cult. They'll just be like, why
I give up on him? Like, well, we'll just we'll
keep him. We'll keep developing him. We're gonna we drafted
him fourth overall. He can run like Lamar Jackson, but
he's built like Cam Newton, like he's got an arm
like Herbert. Like, we're gonna just see if we can
develop him between the ears and slow the game down
for him. So it'll just be interesting to me to
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see if teams and instead of like cutting guys loose,
be like we'll just we'll sit you for a little while,
like gonna We're not gonna let the Baker Mayfield story
happen to us, because it's just a painful thing for
an organization to go through to like to see you
you drafted the right guy, so it's not and then
he's awesome elsewhere, so like the only it's on you.
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It's just got to be such a shameful feeling for
those organizations.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Do you have a bet of the weekend that you
really like? I'll just throw it out there.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I do think I bull my tab right now, Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, I like Baltimore at Minnesota. First of all, Lamar
Jackson is wicked versus the NFC. Second, I don't really
buy into the JJ McCarthy stuff. After the first scripted
drives third. Baltimore is one of those teams that literally
pre Thanksgiving several weeks before Thanksgiving is in an absolutely
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must win every game mode, and you can't sell urgency
to every locker room. Players know Baltimore players know they
can't lose for a month. I like Baltimore minus the
points on the road a road favorite. Four is a
number that I've always bet That means Vegas doesn't want
to have a four point favorite. They'd like to be
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three or a seven. If they have to give somebody
four to four and a half points, it generate Dell's
you that's the better team.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I think that Baltimore should roll in that game.
I thought the Vikings Lions game last week was weird.
You know, there's a blocked kick they kept. They did
a good job keeping the Lions offense on the sideline lines.
We're a huge favorite of that game. JJ McCarthy had
like one hundred and fifty yards but four touchdowns. I
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thought that was just like a very weird game. If
you play that game ten times, there's no way you
get another one outcome like that. So I don't think
the Vikings are great. And Lamar when he starts in
finishes a game, they're third, their top three and everything,
their top three in yards, their top three and points
their top three and explode like Lamar has been. Like
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the outlier is if he has a bad game, Like
he was awesome basically every game last year, and he
was awesome basically every game of the year before. So like, look,
the questions with Baltimore this year have been injuries. That
is it. It has been their injuries, and their defense
is getting healthier and Lamar is healthy. And it was interesting.
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It was like, what's Lamar going to look like with
rust because he had been injured before, but it was
at the end of the year. We had never seen
him be injured in season and then come back. He
was he like short armed, like one throw on the
first drive, and by the second half he was just
like manipulating the pocket and looking off the safety and
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rolling right on two. I was like, my god, like
he was. He was rusty for like thirty minutes. So
I like the Baltimore pick. I like New England's getting
pointints against Tampa. But I'll tell you my favorite bet
is a total. If I can if I can sell your.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Totally, I have a couple I have a couple of
totals that I think are Gon go ahead because I
have a total.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I like all right under fifty and a half in
Washington Detroit. No Jaden Daniels for Washington, multiple offensive line
injuries in Detroit. Like the explosiveness of what the Lions
are trying to do just hasn't looked as consistent in
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a post Ben Johnson world. Like it flashes and it
has its moments, But if you're telling me that their
best offensive linemen are hurt, questionable, not practicing, a couple
guys might miss, and they've been inconsistent, and I just
the Lions defense as actually like they made it. They
made it tough on Lamar for a stretch of time,
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like they they they've had moments where they've actually looked
better with Hutchison being healthy, and they have not nearly
as injured as last year. I like the under in
that game quite a bit. Finally, I also like that
you bet totals now in You're Blazing five. By the way, Yeah,
I make and I don't do it on the show,
but betting totals is a lot of fun. It's underrated.
I like to make my total bets on Sunday night
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for the following week to see if I can like
get some like line value at close, Like that's going
to be a high scoring game, it's gonna be. It's
like if I if I close better to the number
on my totals, I'm like, I'm seeing the NFL clearly,
but sometimes I miss it by four points and it's
an amoresting.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I have thought about doing props, but I thought this
year I would add an over under every week, I like,
just because the public's doing that. And then I think
next year, and I also I think it's a weird year.
Like I my play was always bet good quarterbacks getting points.
I was always an underdog, always an underdog guy.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, fad the public. Right fade the public is like
a pretty classic like first lesson of gambling, once you
start to take it seriously, be unders fade the public
all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I'm struggling to find under a single underdog. This week,
I thought Steelers with both tackles out for the Chargers
and the Steelers, it will be a home Steeler crowd.
It'll be a sixty five thirty five Steeler crowd. Yeah,
the Chargers are used to that though, but yeah, and
my take was, well, TJ. Watt Steeler pass rush. They
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don't have their tackles. One of the backup tackles is hurt.
I'm like, I think I'll probably just take the points there.
But I looked. I mean, you start to talk about underdogs.
I like Arizona getting six and a half at Seattle
just because it's a division rivalry. Seattle looked almost perfect
against Washington, and then I think, well, Arizona played over
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their skis against Dallas. I don't. I mean, I look
now again, Niners plus three and a half at home.
It would help a lot if they could elicit any
pressure on Stafford. They don't. I mean, I look, Miami
plus nine and a half off a great Buffalo performance
actually looked like the best dog on the board.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I so last year was like one of the all
time great favorites years, and I had a real like
crisis of confidence because it was also the greatest year
I ever had picking games. I was like, am I
just like a public square like you went? But I
really do feel like like I would put three picks
out on TV that were all favorites gambling. Twitter would
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come at me, Oh what a public? What a what
a square and then they would cover And I was like,
last year was a real have and have not year,
Like there were a lot of really bad teams and
a few great teams.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is what I've said.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
The bottom now is not competitive, correct, And so I
think that there is because you don't see two big
of NFL spreads. But just like if you're telling me,
find you an underdog, do you want me to sell
you on? I know there's a mystique to Lambeau at night,
but Philly is coming off of the bye. Yes, the
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game before their bye best their offensive lines looked all year.
Saquon had you know, he looked like last year he
was fantastic and their offensive line was dominant. Game before
that was Jalen Hurts's best game of the year. Green Bay.
There's something. There's something and the and the Tucker Craft
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injury I think is significant because he's like their intermediate
guy and Jordan Love Listen. He's only got three interceptions
this year, but he feels to me like he should
have six or seven. And he almost blew the end
of that game where they got the last playoff with
one second, and he like he just I don't fully
trust him. I don't, and his interceptions are bad, like
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his interception against Cleveland lost in the game, terrible, The
innerception against the Panthers where he threw it into triple
coverage into the wind, indefensible. The play on fourth down
where well Dob stepp out of the back of the
end zone. He still rolled all the way left through it,
all the way back across the field. The guy dropped it.
That should have been one hundred and five yard pick six.
The other way just happened to drop it. So I
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don't fully trust Jordan Love. The running game isn't working,
Philly's coming off a bye. I do like Philly in
that spot quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Hey, So we all make mistakes, but owning up to
them is the right thing to do. So you know
Degree cool Rush deodorant right, Well, last year they changed
the formula and it did not go over well with
their fans. So Degrees the whole thing is it turns
up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up
the effort, and good thing it does. Because cool Rush
fans really turned up the effort to bring the original
formula back. One guy even started an online petition and
(43:51):
Degree listened. They admitted they ft up. They're bringing back
the original cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and
it's exactly how you remember it, cool, crisp and freshness
back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under
four dollars. There's a reason that's been the number one
men's anti perspert for the last decade. It's the same
reason why people were not happy when it changed. So
if you've never tried it, it might be a good
time to see what the fuss is about. Head to
(44:12):
your local Walmart, Target and try the og degree cool
Rush for yourself. Yeah. I think when teams struggle to
find an identity, I worry about them. Like I've said
that San Francisco is flawed and completely beat up, but
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offensively it is Christian McCaffrey three nine times. They know
exactly what works and they figure out ways to get
on the ball. I have no idea what Green Bay's
offense is. I know what the Rams like to do.
They like to run with Kyron Williams on play Action.
It's Pooker Devonte Adams. So I think Green Bay's you know,
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it's one of those things with Matt Lafleur, is that
well that's the cop. I was just telling a friend
this today. Matt Lafleur reminds me of Lincoln Riley at USC.
I know they're bo smart. They actually more than the
public thinks, prefer running the ball. They get very prickly
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very quickly. They get very defensive very quickly. I know
they're good play designers and play callers. I don't know
if they build the best culture. I question a little
bit their ability to get men to rise and follow
them over the hill. But I know they're smart. I
know they're good at their jobs. And I look at
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Lincoln Riley and I'm like, yeah, he's he's a really
good coach. I always feel like I want more, you
know what I mean. And I feel like with Matt,
I'm like, yeah, he's smart, he's a really good coach.
But it doesn't feel like Andy Reider, Sean Paydener, Harbar,
Mike Vrabeld. You know what I'm saying. Like it feels
like there's there's I don't know what it is. It's
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a testosterone, it's an anger. There's something visceral missing.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
For me, it sounds like you're putting him in like
the Mike McDaniel category.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
No, he's better than that. Okay, more functional and more
mainline than that. He's more mainstream.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, because like Lafleur's got a lot of pelts on
the wall, Like Aaron Rodgers. They drafted Jordan Love because
they thought Aaron Rodgers was done and then he got
two more MVPs out of Aaron Rodgers. You know, they
were in the NFC Championship game. They played that weird
NFC Championship. The coaching part, I like that part. I
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like that's the biggest part though, Okay, that's the biggest part.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Like I.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
We all love Dan Campbell, Mike Tollin. They're great quotes,
they're great leaders of men to your thing. Earlier, you
could have done five or six different things, like Dan
Campbell probably could like lead a business and lead forty
employees to like hit their earnings numbers or whatever the
case may be. Mike Tomlin, no doubt the same thing.
But the guy who can execute the game plan Sunday
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night through Saturday to get you ready for that Sunday
game at one o'clock, Like, to me, that is still
the most valuable piece of it. And I know people
will say, no, you've got to just be a CEO
type and a leader. I'll take the guy who's smarter
than everybody else and a great because like to me,
that leaves me with the Sean mcvays and the Kyle Shanahans,
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and you can have the Dan Campbell's and the Mike
Tomlins and I guess I'll see you in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Well, yeah, I don't think he's Mike McDaniel, but I
don't think he's Sean Payton. He's clearly closer to Peyton
than Mike McDaniel. But I do feel there's a gap
between Andy Reid bumping Travis kelcey on the sideline is
Sean Payton calling out Russell Wilson In Matt Lafleur, I think.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
That that's true, and I think that that's probably developed
over time. And I don't know, like Lafleur's probably Jordana
Love is so good that I think Matt Lafleur like
And again I just said that I have some questions
about Jordan Love, but Jordan Love is way better than
he is supposed to be, right, And I think that
that is a large part due to Matt withflor So,
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if you can get the best out of late Aaron Rodgers.
I'm convinced that Okay, old dog, new tricks, and you
can have Jordan Love be a top ten, top twelve guy. Okay,
you're a good coach.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Okay. So this is my Lincoln Riley thing. Jaden Mayova
played at UNLV. I was watching television on a Friday
night once and Jade and Mayava played for UNLV. I
think they played Boise State and I'm like, God, that
kid's telling them he's a reckless mess.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
But god he's good.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And then he goes to USC and I'm like, yeah,
he's still really really reckless. I'm not sure because he
didn't start the year as the starter Miller Moss I
think was there transferred then he got it this offseason
I watched Jade and Mayava, I'm like, is he a
second round pick? So like Lafleur, his abil to I mean,
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what Lincoln Riley's done to Jaden Milev over two years
is unbelievable that he's he was just this wild UNLV quarterback.
I didn't even understand what he saw in him. I'm like, well,
it doesn't even look big enough and have a big arm.
So like Laflord, Lincoln Riley. I think this is the thing.
This is something I've talked to executives about in the NFL,
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and they're like, we tend to fall in love with
play designers and play callers. Yeah, but you have to
be careful because really what they are as CEOs, and
I think sometimes Lincoln and Matt I don't feel like
I get quite as much CEO as I want, but
I get a tremendous play caller. And my wife always
says this. She says, you just give smart people the
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benefit of the doubt. There's more to life than smart.
And I'm like, yeah, you're right, there is, But I
do tend to err on the side of that guy's
really bright. I trust him, and I think with Lincoln
and Matt, I'm always left arguing with myself. I mean literally,
when you're describing what he did with Jordan Love, I'm like,
that's what I saw with jade My Alba. With Lincoln Riley,
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it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, yeah, listen. And I mean Andy Reid in Philly
people hated him because he didn't run the ball enough.
Now everybody passes first. And then in Kansas City, he's
got it. He's a dynasty because he's got Mahomes and
it's like, hey, he should be a little bit more
aggressive on fourth down. And then and then this year
he has been like like Andy Reid is as aggressed.
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He's more aggressive on fourth down this year than any
year of his career. He's in his mid sixties. Like,
these guys keep getting better, they keep adding to something
like Andy Reid's resume. We've talked about this a little
bit before in terms of like does he have a
shot at Belichick and greatest of all time and all
that stuff, But like if you look through his history
and it's like Donovan McNabb best season of his life
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is with Andy Reid, Alex Smith best season of his life.
So with Andy Reid, Jeff Garcia that season of his life,
Andy Reid, Kevin Cobb that season of his life, Andy Reid, Yeah,
Patrick Mahomes, Alex Smith, don't remember. I meant to. It's
like six. To Mike Vick, it's legitimately like six or
seven different NFL quarterbacks who have the best season of
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their careers with that guy as their coach. Like that
to me, like, okay, then you're awesome. And that's what
Kyle Shanahan is building that resume. That's what mcveigh's building
that resume. And while Lafleura doesn't have the number of
guys yet, he's just much younger. Like if you're two
for two and and this is small sample, I will
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fully admit this man. That guy won games last year
with Malik Willis when Jordan Love got hurt and Mlik
Willis went in, they won. Now, Malik Wills did not
look like Joe Montana, but they won football games. I've
seen Mike McDaniel's offense without TUA. It's literally unwatchable, you know.
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And so I just I do hold Lafleur in pretty
high esteem. I'm not saying he's a top four coach,
but he's like very comfortably in my top ten.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I did think about this. I mentioned this on the
air today, is that I always trust the American public
and I don't trust political pundits. I don't trust sports pundits.
I trust the American public when they they have a
good gauge on what's inauthentic, what's authentic. And when Johan
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Mandami won in New York, the capitalism center of North America,
he won for two reasons. One the previous politicians weren't
providing something they promised. That always opens the door for
the other side. And the second thing, he had a
very energized, focused, kind of a little bit of a disruptor.
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If he was a business he was a little bit
of a disruptor. And there's a lot of young people
who are unsatisfied with the rent and the cost of living,
and like all of us are, whether you do well
or not well. But my take was on this is
that the media wants you to believe and maybe the
less can be a bit more anxiety filled and neurotic
that it's the Trump is it's never ending. How are
(53:06):
we going to find the candidates? And my take is
the pendulum just swings back and forth, and Trump always
had a high unfavorable rating most presidents do. His is
higher than people who win, and that it was bound
to be eventually a good night for the blue And
I don't know if I agree with Johan's policies most
I don't. It's more of a moderate I don't. But
(53:29):
my take is the political media engages in a lot
of grievance and a lot of fear mongering, and the
truth is, the public is what I trust if they
feel one side to authoritarian, they get uncomfortable and they
go even far enough left where Democrats are uncomfortable with
(53:50):
the mayor of New York. So that's my opening. Take
your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, I think it's been interesting to be in New
York for this whole process. Now I'm in Westchester County,
you know, I'm in suburban New York, but commute into
the city five days a week, and I'll just give
you my kind of opening thoughts on it. I guess
I'm I'm really glad this election is over because those
political ads were some of the nastiest I've ever seen.
(54:20):
It was wild, it was so crety. Because I listen,
I probably I'm definitely left of you. I have some
skepticism of whether or not some of these policies are
going to work or have any chance of actually being enacted.
I think that the I think local New York politics
(54:40):
tends to get overstated and overcovered nationally because it's the
capital of the world, and it's the capital of media, right.
All the media corporations are based out here, so I
think that it takes on outsized importance. I think my mom,
Donnie was a very impressive politician like he es you
(55:00):
could not get him off message, like are you gonna
take a call from Trump if he wants to talk
about affordability for New York. Where's the best place to
get a Postromi sandwich? Well, I know my favorite spot,
but the best one is the one that's affordable for
New Yorkers, like he just like you know, it was
just it was it was relentless, like it was just
I'm gonna match the corporate tax right in New Jersey.
(55:22):
I'm gonna tax millionaires another two percent. I'm gonna freeze
the rent, I'm gonna give you free buses. I'm gonna
make New York affordable. Like those are the five things
and that's all he engaged with.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
But the the I know politics are nasty, and I
know media is meant to divide us, but Colin, there
were literally multiple.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Different ads that showed the twin towers exploding and then
just being like Mandani is gonna be okay with this?
Or do you want him in charge of it? And
it was just like overpronunciation of a Muslim name, showing
the twin towers burning and trying to equate the two
(56:07):
like it was so nasty that I honestly stopped even
caring about the policies, and I was just like, I
want him to win, Like I just like I want
him to win, because it just got it got. It
was so beyond the pale the people that were against
them that I just thought it was so out of
bounds and like frankly uncomfortable watching, like you'd watch football
(56:29):
games here and then it would just be like Andrew
Cuomo ads with the Twin Towers and like nine to
eleven imagery, basically like saying some version of this guy
wouldn't be equipped to handle it to he was happy
that it happened, Like it was just so out of
bounds that I'm just like, really glad this election cycle
was over because I thought it was particularly nasty.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, And I go back to my initial point is
that I trust the public's decision. Everybody is tends to
be idealistic. We all get a bit more moderate or
conservative as we age, so it's not surprising that young
New Yorkers went left. Listen Bernie Sanders, I don't know
if he classifies as a socialist. I don't think he does.
(57:13):
He is a left of left democrat, but he's one
of the more popular people. I can argue had the
Democrats not rail roaded him, he would have been the
candidate going up against Trump.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
I think that's kind of fact at this point. Yeah.
I think the twenty sixteen Bernie probably should have been
the candidate, and the establishment took him over. And listen,
you know we've talked about this on air and off
a little bit, like the Democrats are trying to figure
(57:48):
out who the inspiring people are and the people that
have the clearest messaging are within the Democratic Party, are
like the Bernie AOC wing of the party.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
And is that the most electable thing?
Speaker 3 (58:07):
No?
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Is it the most general thing? No? But at least
they have a clear message. Yeah. I know that Bernie
believes that it's embarrassing that healthcare is in a universal
right for everybody, like and he just that's his message.
That's his message, and it's a pretty popular stance with me,
(58:29):
you know what I mean. So I a messaging like
the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is better at
messaging what matters to them than the establishment wing of
the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Danny parkins these hours fly by Colin.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
It's a highlight of my week.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
And mine too, buddy, Thanks, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
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