Best of Nick Wright’s appearances on the Colin Cowherd Podcast, including why Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow is in TROUBLE, what Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders NEEDED to be told, why George Pickens was a MISTAKE for the Dallas Cowboys, where Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Baker Mayfield ranks among the most underrated NFL quarterbacks, and more.
Timeline:
2:45 - Burrow in trouble
7:30 - Baseballs biggest stars in best markets
15:15 - Draymond Green knows his role
24:30 - Shedeur Sanders got bad advice
33:45 - Trading for George Pickens was a mistake
45:00 - Baker Mayfield is underrated
50:00 - Is Jordan Love actually good?
55:30 - Russell Wilson’s decline
1:02:00 - Kyle Shanahan always gets a pass
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Can I ask you a question? Sure, yeah, go ahead,
after this year, take this year out of it. This
group of quarterbacks, the Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar, that group,
they're all twenty eight to twenty nine. Let's say optimistically
(00:27):
they all have ten more good years. That's probably on
the high end, but let's give them a decade, ten
more seasons. The twenty twenty five season onward Man, at
least one of those guys is never making much less
winning a super Bowl. Like, moving forward, so I know
(00:50):
Joe's already made what because here's the way I was
thinking about it. I'm like, okay, because everyone's like, do
you think Josh will eventually get one? And intellectually I'm like, yes,
of course, he's the second best player in the league.
Of course he'll get one. But then I'm like, well,
wait a minute. Okay, So in the next ten years,
let's say Patrick slows down, he only makes four.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Of the Andy Reid retires.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, so let's just say, let's say Patrick only makes
four of the next ten, so there's six. So that's
six for Lamar, Josh, Joe. I know you've got Justin
Herbert getting the one eventually. Bo nix CJ. Stroud and
we're talking about ten years, so it'll tell you a
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couple more generations coming into the league like these guys.
All of these guys being in the AFC is devastating
for the resumes they're trying to build well.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The
Bengals had to sell naming rights to the stadium to
pay his contract. People don't understand this. The gentleman who
first of all, the Bengals don't have any money. They
don't have any money. It's just like the poorest ownership group.
Joe Burrow knows it. They had to sell naming rights
to a stadium to pay him. They started peeling off
(02:06):
players even before they paid Jamar Chase. They're peeling off
of them now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, and they're already peeling off players.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They are the opposite of the Eagles. They are anti
risk and reward. They take no risks. Tobin, the general manager,
has been there forever pleasant, very nice guy, got no power.
I mean, the Brown family runs the organization. They are
essentially a triple A operation in Major League Baseball that
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happens to have Joe Burrow. People make fun of the Raiders.
The Raiders, because of some new ownership groups that have
come in, are flushed with cash. That's why they can
pay four coaches and three general managers. They got nothing
but money. They got Mark Davis has nothing but money
and the Raiders are a brand. And also it's Las Vegas.
It's a growing city. There's real money there, no state tax,
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very attractive place. Cincinnati, they got no money. Burrow, They'll
never have a stacked roster. The only time to really
be great with him was when he was on the
rookie contract. When they pay Jamar Chase, they're out of money,
like Joe Burrow, I feel terrible for him. Joe Burrow
would need to be superhuman. I mean, this year he
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was as good as he's ever been. They couldn't make
the playoffs. Layers. Herbert's gonna get better with Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Like that's going to only get better.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, That's what I'm saying, Like, you're just Herbert, and
I think Burrow is the one in trouble.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And here's the other. Here's the other concern for all
those guys. Will they may be different for Joe because
he's done it, But will those guys be able to
play Patrick Mahomes beat him, which is part of the hypothetical,
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and then psychologically be able to recenter and be like,
that wasn't the super Bowl? Not like we like, that's
the thing that I would worry about for the Bills.
Not I do think Listen, Mahomes is not going to
go undefeated against Allen in his career. In the playoffs,
they will win. But man, if next year the Bills
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finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it's gonna be
really hard to psychologically then reset and be like, actually,
the next game is the tougher, bigger one, And so
that's the we have never I can't remember a time
when it felt this disproportionate in quarterbacking talent conference to
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conference and what it's going to mean for these guys
kind of legacies when it comes to who they were
as far as winning players or winning championships.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know, I love experimenting on podcasting. I like talking
about stuff where stuff is going and where it's.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
What I.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
What I find interesting about where sports is going. So
I have I think we both like this. So I
grew up a baseball fan, but the sport it's like
what Democrats name like Bill Maher will say the Democratic
(05:26):
Party is leaving me. I haven't changed. I was a
baseball guy over a football guy when I was a kid,
and then the sport just got slow and ponderous and
football was just better on television. And I've lived through
TV like that's my life as a kid. I'm going
to throw something at you that I think is going
to happen. Is that I think if you take out
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the NFL, that every other sport is dependent on where
the best players play, and it does not help. For instance,
college football got to southern and two regional Alabama, Georgia, Clemson.
It hurt the sport. Michigan and Ohio State's emergence will
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help the sport over time. It will bring a big group.
I'm a West Coast guy. I was a Big ten
Pac twelve guy because the Rose Bowl. So I'm more
of a Big ten guy than an SEC guy, although
I can acknowledge the SEC's great. I think we're going
to have a change here in the next five to
ten years in sports. And that is when the regional
sports networks went away and Fox let them go. They
(06:32):
were out of money an hour later, and those were
vital to Pittsburgh's, Cincinnati, Oakland, Kansas City, Seattle, they were vital.
Sure the sport now is basically in the hands of
the Dodgers Steve Cohen, And I mean, I'm not sure
the Yankees and the Steinbrenners can compete. Steinbrenners are saying
(06:55):
they can't. What you're seeing now in baseball is all
the riveting players play for the Dodgers, the Phillies, the
Mets or the Yankees. And I think we're gonna have
a renaissance in baseball is that with these regional networks gone.
There's not even the forget the fake appearance that there's parody.
(07:20):
There are like four kings at the top. Everything else
is upon nothing else. I mean, you think that's good
for the sport. No, No, what I think it's good
for is the primary weakness of baseball. It's television ratings.
The attendance is fine, it's always dominated the summer. It
has died on television. Last year's National League playoffs, it
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was like New York, La San Diego and eight of
the best thirteen players in the sport. And that we
always think parody matters, No, it doesn't. The truth of
The matter is if the Celtics, Chicago, Bulls, and the
Lakers were great right now, the NBA would be in
(08:02):
great shape. Oklahoma City is not good for the league.
There is this belief. This is where I always say
about Kansas City. Dynasties aren't bad. Great players on great
brands are not bad for the league. I think we're
gonna have a renaissance. I think the Dodgers, Steve Conan,
the Mets, the Yankees, and maybe one other team will
not be able to afford the best players. That that's
(08:24):
at Philadelphia, maybe Phillies because their attendants and their merchandising
is so strong. I don't know about their TV radio
deals locally. Is that I think baseball has something the
NBA doesn't. All they're fascinating players. I mean, if I
told you this, the six big TV products they have Otani, Judge,
Bryce Harper, Mookie Betts.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, no, it's all Manny Machado, ted titit.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
They're all in the big They're all in these big, glossy,
favorable markets. There's my take is that we're going to
have a renaissance, that baseball is going to come storming back.
It did in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So I think this year is the most important your
baseball's had in a very very long time because of
two things, and you kind of alluded to both of them.
One is the momentum of last postseason, which is absolutely tremendous,
and the other is the general angst an annoyance by
(09:20):
the average fan towards the NBA. Yeah, I think that
it is incumbent upon baseball two and I don't have
a listen. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking
about this, so I don't even know exactly what I
mean by this, but to seize this moment because I
agree with you. I mean, we did our show from
(09:41):
the World Series. Now that's because it was in New
York so it was easy to get to, but also
because we were all.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So into it. It was great.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It felt like such a cool event and it was.
It was so lively and active, and it made me
remember when you know, and when when I first started,
it was shortly after when you first started, was before
I even had a show. We were doing our shows
from the NBA Finals, even though they were not in LA.
(10:12):
It was Warriors Calves every year, and we traveled to
Cleveland to do our shows because it was such an
event that I think baseball. So I was talking to
a mutual friend of ours. I don't think you'll mind
me saying this, so I'll just yeah, I'll quote him
(10:33):
on it, our friend Maverick, and he said that the
media is moving towards an events model where things have
to feel like an event. And it's why even though
(10:53):
Mike Tyson's sixty years old and could barely get to
the ring, that was huge, it felt. And the NFL
every game feels like an event. You'll have the college
football playoff playoff is exactly UFC feels is an event.
(11:14):
And so that's really really hard for baseball. So you
know what, because there's so many games, so finding ways.
Maybe it is marketing their stars to fuck to pick
these benchmarks that are their events of the year, or
marketing matchups or games.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
This is where Fox gets credit. They're the one that
came up with the London game, the game in the cornfield, so.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, yeah field a dreams game, one that felt big.
That's an event like something cool like that that makes
it stand out from the noise of everything else.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's right, Yeah, I know that was Fox. Fox management
came and said, you guys need more big events and
they work. By the way, I watched the London Games,
they were cool.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The Field of Dreams game is cool every year. It's
just awesome. It looks cool. It's great.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. No, I think Maverick Carter's right on that. I
think there's a lot of reasons for that, but I
think you have to, you know, like I it's easy
to root for the Dodgers or the Chiefs. Like I
have the Dodgers on throughout the summer in Los Angeles, everybody,
every other guy that comes to the bat is an
all Star. It's like an All Star game. I mean seriously,
you get down to like Taoscar Hernandez is batting fifth,
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and you're like, Jesus, he just dominated the series in
the Bronx, like everybody's great. The whole damn team is great.
Like I mean, they've got Tommy Edmund batting eighth that
he was like the NLCS MVP. You're like, it's an
all star team. So and like the Chiefs, it's easy.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
One of the greatest radio shows in America and it
has now been on You'll be more impressed by this
than anyone for twenty three years. Running in the same
market is a show called The Church of Lasla and
it's on It used to be on an alternative rock station.
It's now on a regular rock station. Doesn't matter, but
(13:06):
their frequency just changed. But it's been this dude, Laslow
and his buddy slim Fast. I was their sports guy
for years and Laslow, I'm gonna tell a real, you know,
quick tangent.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
People like it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Laslow is to me. He was one of my mentors
in radio and just also one of the coolest stories ever.
He was from Detroit, alcoholic drug addict, went to the Navy.
I think got kicked out of the Navy because of
those two things I just mentioned. I don't again, I
might get his story something wrong. Kind of was always
(13:42):
a mess, always did radio and then got sober. Started
this state and is like a wild liberal on the
radio in Kansas City, Missouri, where when he started his
show every single day he would start a show by saying,
it is been X amount of days since George W.
Bush declared mission accomplished in Iraq and then went on
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and he has. He's on the air to this day
because he's so talented and they're so I think it's
the funniest show in America. So say all that. So
when I first started in radio, they were down the hall.
They had actually just come back from Seattle, where they
used to be simulcast in Seattle and Kansas City, and
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Laslow said to me, He's like, listen man. And this
wasn't his original theory, but he was the first person
I had heard it from. I'm like twenty four. He's like,
you gotta know what type of horse you are for
this company? Like what do you mean? He's like, there's
three horses in radio. He's like, there's the money horse,
there's the show horse, and there's the workhorse. He's like,
(14:51):
and you're gonna screw up if you don't know which
horse you are, Like okay, He's like the money horse
is the guy who's always gonna have a job because
all the big clients love him. He's like the car
dealership's his buddy, and this guy and so he does
all the reads because they all love him. He's safe.
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He's like, the show horse is the guy who they
want to be able to put on the billboard the
name we got. He's like, he's usually like someone who
does you know a former athlete or does local TV
and they feels like a celebrity. He's like, none of
the advertisers know who the hell you are and nobody
knows your name. He's like, that just leaves the workhorse.
(15:34):
He's like, and that's what it sounds like. You're gonna
keep your job because you're gonna work harder than everybody.
Do you need me to pick up that shift? I
can do this, I can do that. You're also gonna work,
You're gonna know everything, like that's your path, man, And
honest to god, it's one of the most important conversations
I've ever had in my career because I was like, Okay,
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that's who I'm gonna be. And he was telling me this.
He's like, you think you're the show horse. You think
like you're a b He's like, but you're not. Maybe
one day you will be, but you're not. And that
I was going to say this because Draymond recognized early on,
I'm the workhorse. I've got to do the dirty work.
I got to do all this. But the more interesting
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part of it is the should or thing, which is
Shador fell in the draft because he thought he was
a show horse and teams were looking at him as
are you a workhorse? And he thought, I'm Shoudoor Sanders,
I'm interviewing you. I've got all these people competing for
my services. And they looked at it as you're should
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or Sanders. Are you gonna pick up this mistake we
put in the film Are you gonna know? The playbook?
Are you gonna do this? And if you don't know
the job you're applying for, how do you nail the interview?
And so I think that is like a really it's
a really something I've carried with me forever, like poignant
(17:02):
piece of advice, which is it doesn't so much matter
how you view yourself. It matters in an employment setting.
It matters how your employer or potential employer views you
and are you representing that? Are you you know? And
so that I think was Shador's biggest mistake is he
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didn't know what job he was interviewing for, and he
didn't know who he was to these teams, well, and
I'll throw something at you.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I one of the things why we didn't get an
honest read, because clearly Pittsburgh never viewed him. They viewed
him as Kenny Pickett. Daniel Jeremiah said that when his
intel was that they viewed him is a little better
than Kenny Pickett as a prospect. Well, Kenny Pickett by
the two gms, two of the gms in the league
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that I really respect, one of them with a couple
of trophies. Kenny Pickett is a top to middle of
the third quarterback and that's exactly what he is. He's
a backup and an occasional starter if somebody gets hurt,
which is his role potentially in Cleveland. I don't think
he'll be there long, but that's his current role. So
the reason that Shadur didn't get an honest evaluation is
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because Dion Sanders knows so many people in the NFL,
and he's worked at many broadcast companies, and nobody wanted
to be honest. This is what I've always said about bullies,
and Dion is not a bully. The downside to being
forceful and intimidating it in a bully is you actually
get lied to by everybody in your life because nobody
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wants confrontation. People don't like it, your wife doesn't, your
kids don't. So the big brash bully, the top sales guy,
the ego maniac, Bobby Knight in his prime never got
an honest opinion because he and intimidated people. So you're
much better having relationships where you ask questions, you don't
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always have an opinion where people feel free to criticize you,
and that that will give you a more honest appraisal
of who you truly are and what you need to accomplish.
Bullies get lied to more than anybody. Although they think
they're always demanding and getting the truth, the exact opposite
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is true. They have visions of they're deluded to a
degree because they're always being told yes, you're right and
absolutely and all. So the other group that never gets
an honest appraisal are superstars and celebrities. You know, nobody ever,
nobody ever told George Clooney in his prime, you're not
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really it's not working for me on this because he
was so big you didn't want to piss him and
his you know, it's like Leonardo DiCaprio this prime. Don't
offend him, that won't go well. And so being a superstar,
Deon's like a superstar. I mean he's doing commercials with
Nick Saban and he's a five hundred coach of Colorado.
That's all you need to know, right So, so I
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think that's what hurt should door is nobody just came
out and just said and and by the way, arch
Manning may get a little bit of this too, sure
is that people are nobody's gonna come out and say,
I gotta be honest, he couldn't beat out Quinn yours.
There's a reason.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So he's okay, that's well, that's a that's a I've
just assumed arch Manning is a guaranteed top five pick.
But I so but that. But I don't know as
monchbal college football as you and and I'm not even
saying that's what you're saying. Here's the other thing. The
stor thing revealed to me, and it's not that I
needed it revealed. I it was it shined a light
(20:59):
on we have traded as a sports public true insiders
for instant, transactional gratification. We have valued who is going
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to have this thing that was going to be announced
by the team in ninety minutes. Anyway, First over, what
is actual informational journalism, which is somebody said this, and
(21:39):
again I wish I could quote him, but I can't.
Journalism is publishing or uncovering information that otherwise would not
get out there. That's what it is, Like I this
story would remain hidden or fact or whatever it is.
Don van Na did a lot of that, like Seth Wickersham.
(22:02):
We know that people who've done it in sports simply
being the first to say this player is signing with
this team when that player signing with that team was
going to become public knowledge. No matter what is a
different I'm not saying it's not journalism. It's a different thing,
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but that is the thing that we in the general
public seemingly value because that is the thing that people
get paid for and get famous for as reporters. The
only way to these days do that job really well
is to have everyone like you, which is why in
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modern sports journalism, every draft pick is great, every surgery
is ahead of schedule, every MRI was better than expected,
and everything is pop positive. Every single thing is positive.
And so no the fact that none of our insiders said,
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I've talked to fifteen teams and twelve of them don't
have Shador in their top fifty, like nobody had this,
nobody had like it was. It went from is he
gonna be the first pick too. Okay, it'll be cam Ward,
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but then you know Shador giants Browns to oh shit,
he might slide to the Saints. And then by draft
day it was wow, what does it mean for Aaron
Rodgers because Shador could maybe be there at twenty one
and they could draft him. Yeah, the entirety of the
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NFL world nobody had. He'll be very fortunate if he
is taken with the Browns or Giant second pick. Not
one person. And by the way, I'm not I obviously
didn't have it. I'm an acting like I had it,
but I'm an insider. And so I found that really
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telling that man, what information are we actually getting? Like
what is the real real and are the guys who
actually have the real information like, well, I know the
truth here, but it's not worth it because it'll piss
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the wrong relationships, agents, teams, whatever off. And so I
also think that what is so stunning about this and
this last thing I'll say, because I know now we're
a month old on it, it is shocking that Dion
didn't have the information either, that nobody privately told Dion.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hey, that's hey, that's the downside, like a bully of
being a bloved.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Nobody told Dion, hey, man, get the truth. Like, listen,
maybe they're all wrong, but the league has real questions
of whether are at your son's a starter? So you
got to tell him he's got to blow their socks
off in this because Dion is. Whatever anyone thinks of Dion,
he's obviously a loving, devoted father that's undeniable. And he
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just he had didn't have the information, that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Think about that. Think of how many friends he has
in the NFL, and not a single person. I'm telling you,
Arch Manning, be very careful. The Mannings are American football royalty,
will it now? I will say there's a little less.
They've got their own egos. But Dion's always been over
the top. He's been He's been almost at times a
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wrestling heel like he loves to, you know. And the Mannings,
you know, with Arch, he's been backing up Quinn yours,
who he's clearly better than. And they never transferred they
I mean it was so they've handled it with grace,
and I think that's the Manning's brand. But I I
this this really does go back to bullies and superstars.
You'd think they'd get the inside info. They're lied to
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more than everybody else. You know who you don't lie to, Uh,
your cranky neighbor who you don't love, but you're gonna
tell him don't mow the grass at six o'clock on
a Saturday. You're gonna give him a real, honest, cranky opinion.
The people that you don't have anything to lose, like,
like just people that you don't adore, you're always willing
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to say, Bro, that's not gonna work. Don't do that. Yeah,
that's hard to say to a Manning or a Dion Samders.
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
That's really interesting. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Finally you got to bless Dallas cowboy fans heart. They're
so excited for George Pickens. And I was in this
today when Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work.
I made Matt shab a pro bowler, Rock Purty, I
got into a Super Bowl, Garoppolo, I got to a
Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the
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Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.
When Warren Buffett says be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful
with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver. Listen,
I can't make it work. Chase Claypool, ab Martavius Bryant.
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I mean this goes on Yoni Johnson, if Mike Tomlin,
who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with
immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.
But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.
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He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,
Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry.
Jerry is saving it. He's giving a job that's not available.
McCarthy couldn't get interviews, parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need him.
That wore Jimmy out. Dak Prescott fourth round, he loves hey,
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Tony Romol undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in the first round.
They don't need Jerry. So when he goes and gets
George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin, I'm out.
Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work. I think
this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where he would
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hunt for gems, and I think that is literally his
mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and play is
that he feels like Pickens He's he's the rest of
the league is out. I am in, and I don't
think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys are
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where the Cowboys are currently.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
And I think that George Pickens is one of the
more overrated players in the whole league. And the reason
I feel that way is because I think certain football
fans this is one of my this is one of
my favorite and kind of relatively newest take, which is
(29:35):
talent has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL. Obviously,
you need a requisite level of talent. That goes without saying, However,
this idea that talent is some cure all when this
guy has been a pain in the ass every step
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of his football life. It is why he fell on
the draft. It is why you were hearing rumors about
him being available during his second year. During his third year,
he was traded here. It is the he It's you know,
when you are potentially trying to get a contract in
the offseason and your team is in the middle of
(30:23):
a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas
Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.
You show up three hours before your TV show, Colin,
you have two hundred and twenty of them a year.
He's got seventeen football games, and he like, you're just
not a serious person and you're not going to contribute
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to winning the way your talent says you should. And
so there's that. There is also the fact that trading
a third round pick for a player with one year
left on his contract means you probably should give him
a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,
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than trading a third round pick for one year of
George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is
giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put
themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we
pay this guy early when he has never he's never
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been the top ten in the NFL of anything. He's like,
his career numbers are pedestrian, he's never outpaced his production,
has never outpaced his targets, and he is.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
A million gets unnecessary, a million problems there, so you
can't pay him. But the other thing you shouldn't do
is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid round
picks for rentals. And so I two years ago, Colin
the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But two
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years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops everywhere
and the receivers couldn't do anything, Yeah, Pickens was available then,
and Wilds and Bruke couldn't believe me. I was like,
I don't want him. I was like, the Chiefs already
are on thin ice with Kadarius Tony, like they you know,
And they got They got. The Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony.
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They gave up a fifth round pick. He had three
years left on his deal, and that's still Listen. He
had the amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but
he's still ultimately got can't get right. Guys can't get right,
and so I I'm not a Pickens guy. I also
think he's a somewhat overrated player. And I also think,
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for if Mike Tomlin had a hard time keeping him
inside the lines. Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as
a head coach, how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is
going to be about Micah's podcast and whatever the old
George Pickens did a lot of it is the.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Answer to that. Yeah, if a rehab centers like.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, we're done exactly right, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I want to go to Baker Mayfield. I thought you
had an interesting Somebody once in the last year asked
Baker Mayfield about me and blah blah blah, and he said, well,
we're frenemies. And I think Baker knows I like him
and respect him, and he's always been nice to me.
He said nice things publicly. You had to take the
other day that he's actually he was over discussed when
he was in Cleveland. He's now under discussed. Yeah, And
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it's it's funny because I think Baker's better than Dak.
He's better than Tua. He's better than Gino, He's better
than Aaron, He's better than Russell, He's better than Cousins.
I think he and Darnold are very similar that they
can be mistake prone, but they can plan it.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And there there were touchdowns last year.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
He's been really good. Go ahead, Yeah, No, Baker is
a prime example. You see this a lot in the NBA,
where a guy comes in and you just needs the
mature aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally Maturity's not the issue.
It's you either have it or you don't. Baker was
the rare lot of testosterone, a lot of confidence, and
(34:19):
I felt like, can somebody turn the governor down just
a little? He was Johnny Manziel, but more likable and
with actual talent. He could really throw a football. But
I think Baker is the rare NFL player and quarterback.
You're like one of the talents. Inarguable, he's just got
to turn the governor down. Cleveland was not built for Baker.
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You go to a great GM, a talented roster in Tampa,
which is, by the way, below the radar. It's in
the NFC South, which is a low profile division. Baker
now is absolutely underdiscussed. He is a really good NFL quarterback.
I don't think that's disputable.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
and not include it. And then when you add to
the fact that he makes around sixty percent of what
the other guys in that top ten make, his value
is massive. He for a guy who dealt with injuries
during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. His
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teammates love him, and he now has back to back
years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win the
division again, forty touchdowns last year, and so yeah, I
think that there was because he was talked about so
much when he wasn't yet that good. I think people
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got I don't know if numbs the right word, but
they were just kind of got over him. And now
that he is, I think really good people are just like, Okay, yeah,
that's Baker, Like he's a people I think boxed ten in.
He's a good story and that is true, but he's
more than that at this point. At this point, like
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do I this is you know, a third rail for
some Do I think he's better than Brock Birdie? I
do what I rather like And so you said, Dak Prescott,
I think that's close. I think that there is. There
are a lot of quarterbacks that like I'll give you
a great example. Now, this guy's young and we'll see,
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but he makes a lot of money. I think he's
pretty clearly better than Jordan Love. And I think that
Jordan Love is discussed like he is. You know what
I mean? This hasty, I have.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
To it's interesting. So I was really not anti Jordan Love,
but I but I said, for two years there is
more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him
for a reason. Then he came out and he was
kind of sensational and I really bought into him. And
then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all
this footage and they found holes. And at the end
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of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught on
to him. This is now. It would be a sophomore
slump for anybody else, but he was like in.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
His fourth year year.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, and so I want to see him. So now
it's like an NBA playoff series, like you get worked,
then you change things and that there's stages and coaching,
you know, adaptations.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan's shock the league. Now
I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want
to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why
they drafted to me ag a receiver in the first round,
because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
more help than we think here. But I so, I'm
not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell
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of a whip and he's a really good athlete, but
he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league,
Jordan Love, I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I
know who's good. I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love
is the last. I'm not really sure what he is
in the league.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
To me, I'm gonna throw another guy that I'm not.
I think this guy's really good, but I'm gonna put
the not sure, and that's CJ. I think that I
think CJ's really good. It is there are some I
think it is hard in the modern NFL to be
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really good if you hate running, you don't, you know
what I mean? And and now like I'm sure CJ,
especially because he's black quarterback, like was probably you know,
felt pressure like to prove to everyone like I'm I'm
not you know what I mean, I'm not a running
back with that also play in the position. I'm a
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true prototypical pocket passer. The problem with that is that
position it's not extinct, but it is on the just
the Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Joe Burrows style is it's
just a hard way to make a living. And it
doesn't mean you have to be you know, one read
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and then take off and run. But it's a nice
pitch to have particularly come the playoffs well. And I
thought CJ in the playoffs last year actually went to
it a little more and so that was a good sign.
But I just want to see a little more from him.
But yeah, I think in general, we usually know who
these guys are, and then there are guys who like
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this is the thing that I would say about guys
like Donald or Gino. I don't think Darnald's a weird
one for you because you always saw this really good player.
But I think people that said like those guys were
not good potentially were correct, and then those guys, through
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hard work and maturation and learning and getting older, got good,
like you know what I And so like the I
think that a guy like Gino, I think Gino was
probably rightfully you know, lower tier backup early and then
worked his ass off, got better, learned more and became
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this player. But yeah, I think most of the quarterbacks
we know, we know about who they are. The one
I'll throw another one at you that to me is
the most confusing or most intriguing, and that's Herbert. Because Herbert,
it's there is no there is no question how talented
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he is. But five years into your career. You need
more than just he throws an amazing ball. And there's
not a lot of quarterbacks who five years into their
career who ended up being amazing, who five years into
their career hadn't accomplished anything. And he's on that list.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah. No, he his first two coaches, though, Dean Spanos
until Harbaugh never paid money for a coach, so his
first two coaches were a miss. So I do think
he's a rare. Circumstantially, I think he's a rare. I
think the people in the league that I know all
love him. He was also the justin Herbert criticism is fair.
He was mechanical on film. People thought he was mechanical.
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Tom Telesco, who drafted him, said, we thought he was mechanical.
Then I went and watched him in person and I
saw him play the best Iowa, best Wisconsin defense of
all time and went, oh, Okay, he's not that mechanical,
but he can be sort of a rhythm quarterback where
when he gets out of rhythm. You know, I've said
this about certain players are like the Pacers are a
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rhythm offense. Halliburton leaves for four and a half minutes.
They can't get the rhythm back, like it's like, oh,
it just doesn't work. Like Herbert's a rhythm thrower, Like
he gets into a rhythm and if you bang him,
or he gets sacked or a receiver drops it, he
can get out of rhythm. A lot of quarterbacks, aren't,
They just they just pick it up, they go. So
I think the criticism of Herbert are fair. But he's six'
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five a, four two biology.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Jobs he's super, smart he's super. Athletic he could run.
More he did a little more under, hardball like he in.
College he ran the hell out of the ball when
they needed. To here would be kind of a CONCERN i.
Have that is really just a kernel of a BELIEF
i have about, sports which is particularly for the most scrutinized.
(42:31):
Positions so best player on AN nba, team quarterback on
a football. Team the randomness of your first couple times
in a big spot casts the longest shadow a magical
over your. Career and So i'll use a basketball example
(42:55):
than a couple of football. Examples the fact That kobe
as a teenager basically was a, champion and That, Listen
kobe was unbelievable on the second two championships With. Shaq
but that first championship With, shaq he was a role
player and it was Peak shaquille. O'Neal but before he
(43:18):
can is old enough to, drink he's a. Champion no
one is ever going to be able to be, like
can he can you win a ring With Kobe? Bryant
and that gave, him in my, opinion the freedom to be,
Like i'll take every fucking into game. Shot no one
can ever say anything bad about, me, right and so
it had a real. IMPACT i do. THINK i Think
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Tom brady is one of the greatest athletes of all
time and obviously has the greatest resume of any quarterback.
EVER i also wonder if they simply hadn't you, KNOW
i won't even do the the. Game if in that
(44:03):
First Super bowl Then Terry, miss yeah miss is the field,
goal or he makes one bad read or whatever it
is and they don't win, there then does he have
like the freedom to be him in those? Moments moving?
(44:23):
FORWARD i think THAT i THINK i think there is
a chance that we are talking About Russell wilson the
way we talk About Terry. Bradshaw if he doesn't throw
The Malcolm butler pick BECAUSE i think if they would
have won That Super bowl and he really, believed Like
i'm ordainous By god to do, this that it then
led to itself and.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Then go, ahead well, no, No and by losing That
Super bowl and throwing that, pick it eroded the chemistry
in the locker room and it was never the same
off one, play AND i.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Think it eroded for. Him this feeling of this is
meant to be the the flip side to those To
brady or To. Kobe example Is. Peyton So peyton early
in his career came up short in a couple of
big spots and then it just the weight got bigger and,
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bigger and he got That moniker even though he's a
challenged any football Player i've ever. Seen so the REASON
i bring that up IS I i worry that For,
herbert he is going to walk into his next playoff
game with the weight of the world on his. Shoulders
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he's gonna be Like i've been. HERE i basically played
two real and one de facto playoff. Game the de
facto was The week Eighteen Chargers. Raiders remember that were
like a. Tie you both go to the playoffs and
The raiders stealing at the end we blew a four
score lead to The, jags AND i threw four picks
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in my other playoff, game and it just it is
so it's so fleeting what that you know what those can.
Be and so that is to, me, like, well a
real and Something i'm excited to see moving because you've
seen how it's worn On lamar and you see the
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Freedom mahomes plays with moms like nobody can ever call
me anything but, clutch and he can play.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Like, that well it. Can lamar now is feeling the.
Pressure you can See lamar in playoff games as. TIGHT
i think eventually the failures of The chargers and The
spanos family to get the right coach got them to
pay fifteen million dollars a year For. Harbass so he
has his. Kingmaker AND i also think it Takes this
is something that people don't really understand. THIS i think
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we tend, men at least In, america tend to worship other,
men and we we just forget That Michael jordan for
years didn't do shit Without pippen and at the end
it was pathetic In. Washington but it's six for six
and he's the greatest ever and he failed at, baseball
And michael Got Phil jackson And Scottie pippen and everything.
(47:13):
Changed he was just kind of a ballhog who couldn't
get Past, boston he couldn't get Past. Detroit it didn't
get along with a lot of teammates early In chicago Or, Layton.
Washington and even when he was with The, bulls he was.
Hard in the Documentary Tom cruise a great. Example So
Tom cruise goes into a high school play and a
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year later he's in the, movies and not long after
that he's in a risky business and that really defines.
HIM i, mean Ray ban sales, exploded you, know from
the underwear scene in risky. Business So tom had absolute.
Talent but if you go back and look At Tom,
cruise who is as, driven willful and obsessed about movies as.
(47:58):
Anybody it was until his last five to six movies
where he finally came to terms With i'm just gonna
run a lot and do action movies and they all.
Hit and his last five to six movies have been massive.
Hits he Did rock Of, Ages Eyes Wide, Shut Vanilla,
sky who some people really, Like i've never seen. It
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he had lots of. Missus Marlon brando had lots of,
misses so think how long it took for, finally finally
A Bradley cooper to find the right, director Or Tom
cruise to find the right. Vehicle he was always, talented
but Like, herbert he needs his. Hardball and that's WHAT
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i think we tend to forget is That Michael jordan
Had Doug collins and Stan, olbrick but No Scottie. Pippt
he couldn't win a.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Playoff series, correct none of.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Them so you just you just need so much. Help
and that's you, know when anybody will ever ask, me
you know about, gosh how do you think you've done
it for thirty? Years and you have been doing this
AND i, Say i've had great. Help i've had really good.
Bosses i've had a couple, stinkers but overwhelming we've had
really good support and really good agents and really good.
(49:11):
BOSSES i would have been somewhat. Successful but the point
being is if you find a great stockbroker or, YOUTH
i Mean, obama he has, Somewhere he's got a kingmaker behind,
him you, know somebody behind him believed in, him and
we just forget that in sports and That mahomes would
have been, successful But Brett veach And Andy reider a big.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
Part oh, yeah, well the, yeah and that it's also
one of the reasons THAT i find THE i find
it really fun but also frustrating at times when we.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Trying to parse individual credit for team sports. Success is
one of the most fun things about our. Business and
it's also why a guy WHEN i see, similarly but,
it's you, know one of the more POLARIZING i feel
quarterbacks is so interesting In party because there is it's
(50:09):
so much of all, right who is? It are? We you,
know LIKE i argue With wild's about. It wild's basically
his take is THAT i believe when The niners, Win shanahan,
won and when they, Lose party, Lost like is it
you know that The shanahan gets the credit and doesn't
get the. Blame and my my actual take is THAT
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i think that there is there are a lot of
factors that have gone into why a quarterback who everyone
in the, league including The niners thought was not that,
good has had statistically one of the three or four
greatest starts to a career in the history of the.
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SPORT i understand there are. MISSES i gets. IT i
Know brady went one ninety. NINE i understand all, that
BUT i when people with purty people will, say you
would feel differently if he were the number one, pick
and my answer is, yes of, course.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Of course he'd be a better.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Player, right that's the, right because that's that's. It you
wouldn't the. Draft it's not, random like if you were
the number one, pick he wouldn't be. Undersized he would
have a slightly stronger on that's. Right he, was, like
there's real things to.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
It Tony romo was undrafted When Bill parcells found, Him
so the first four to five years Of Tony romo's
roster was. Great didn't pay him. Anything he was. Free
the minute they started Paying Tony, romo the offensive line
wasn't as, good And Tony romo couldn't win big, games
even Though Tony romo is a really GOOD b plus
a minus. Quarterback But Tony romo was. Free Kurt warner
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early in his, career WHO i think is, great undervalued,
historically ye, know came into the.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
League he was.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Free there's no question that Brock perty's lineup was stamped, well.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Stamp, well and, listen we don't we've done the party thing.
Before what is so frustrating me about the party thing
is and maybe this is why it's an ARGUMENT i
can't get over is and And i'm gonna make this,
point you, know till the end of my, career as
long as this is. Relevant four, years folks argued About Jimmy.
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Garoppolo is he just a? Winner is he? Underrated you?
Know is you?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Know?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Was did he Make brady nervous because he was breathing
down his? Neck and then there were folks like. Me
he was, like, AH i actually think he's pretty, mediocre
and they'd be like, no that team was. Terrible and
then he got. There they went to AN nfc championship,
game they went to a Super, bowl AND i kept, saying,
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YEAH i really think twenty five quarterbacks in the, league
if you gave them the defense The niners, had then
that head, coach those, weapons they would be incredibly. Successful
and it's, like, well that's a, hypothetical we'll never. Know
and then they literally replaced him with the last pick
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of the draft had the exact same level of, success
and those same people instead of being like, shit maybe you're,
right they're like that new, guy he's fucking awesome, too
And i'm, like you gotta be kidding.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Me i'm, like they literally did. It they didn't replace
him with a first round. Pick they replaced him with
the last pick of the. Draft and guess what they.
Did they went to AN nfc championship game like they
did With. Jimmy they then went to a Super bowl
like they did With.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Jimmy they lost The Super bowl to literally the same
team in very similar. Fashion And you're, like turns out
they're both. Awesome and Then i'm, like, hey by the,
way How's garppolo look now that he's gone.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Playing they're, like, oh, well.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
You, know.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
INJURIES i. Guess i'm, like or maybe he's. Stuck LIKE
i Think perty's obviously better Than, Groppolo but Like groppolo
was a is a below average quarterback who looked quite.
GOOD i Think perty's an average quarterback who looks great
in the exact same. System and by the, Way Jimmy
grappolo never Had christian. McCaffrey AND i just feel myself
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going crazy on. It and then they paid a fifty
three million, dollars so what DO i.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Know the volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Can I ask you a question? Sure, yeah, go ahead,
after this year, take this year out of it. This
group of quarterbacks, the Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar, that group,
they're all twenty eight to twenty nine. Let's say optimistically
(00:27):
they all have ten more good years. That's probably on
the high end, but let's give them a decade, ten
more seasons. The twenty twenty five season onward Man, at
least one of those guys is never making much less
winning a super Bowl. Like, moving forward, so I know
(00:50):
Joe's already made what because here's the way I was
thinking about it. I'm like, okay, because everyone's like, do
you think Josh will eventually get one? And intellectually I'm like, yes,
of course, he's the second best player in the league.
Of course he'll get one. But then I'm like, well,
wait a minute. Okay, So in the next ten years,
let's say Patrick slows down, he only makes four.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Of the Andy Reid retires.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, so let's just say, let's say Patrick only makes
four of the next ten, so there's six. So that's
six for Lamar, Josh, Joe. I know you've got Justin
Herbert getting the one eventually. Bo nix CJ. Stroud and
we're talking about ten years, so it'll tell you a
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couple more generations coming into the league like these guys.
All of these guys being in the AFC is devastating
for the resumes they're trying to build well.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The
Bengals had to sell naming rights to the stadium to
pay his contract. People don't understand this. The gentleman who
first of all, the Bengals don't have any money. They
don't have any money. It's just like the poorest ownership group.
Joe Burrow knows it. They had to sell naming rights
to a stadium to pay him. They started peeling off
(02:06):
players even before they paid Jamar Chase. They're peeling off
of them now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, and they're already peeling off players.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They are the opposite of the Eagles. They are anti
risk and reward. They take no risks. Tobin, the general manager,
has been there forever pleasant, very nice guy, got no power.
I mean, the Brown family runs the organization. They are
essentially a triple A operation in Major League Baseball that
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happens to have Joe Burrow. People make fun of the Raiders.
The Raiders, because of some new ownership groups that have
come in, are flushed with cash. That's why they can
pay four coaches and three general managers. They got nothing
but money. They got Mark Davis has nothing but money
and the Raiders are a brand. And also it's Las Vegas.
It's a growing city. There's real money there, no state tax,
(02:57):
very attractive place. Cincinnati, they got no money. Burrow, They'll
never have a stacked roster. The only time to really
be great with him was when he was on the
rookie contract. When they pay Jamar Chase, they're out of money,
like Joe Burrow, I feel terrible for him. Joe Burrow
would need to be superhuman. I mean, this year he
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was as good as he's ever been. They couldn't make
the playoffs. Layers. Herbert's gonna get better with Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Like that's going to only get better.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, That's what I'm saying, Like, you're just Herbert, and
I think Burrow is the one in trouble.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And here's the other. Here's the other concern for all
those guys. Will they may be different for Joe because
he's done it, But will those guys be able to
play Patrick Mahomes beat him, which is part of the hypothetical,
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and then psychologically be able to recenter and be like,
that wasn't the super Bowl? Not like we like, that's
the thing that I would worry about for the Bills.
Not I do think Listen, Mahomes is not going to
go undefeated against Allen in his career. In the playoffs,
they will win. But man, if next year the Bills
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finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it's gonna be
really hard to psychologically then reset and be like, actually,
the next game is the tougher, bigger one, And so
that's the we have never I can't remember a time
when it felt this disproportionate in quarterbacking talent conference to
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conference and what it's going to mean for these guys
kind of legacies when it comes to who they were
as far as winning players or winning championships.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know, I love experimenting on podcasting. I like talking
about stuff where stuff is going and where it's.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
What I.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
What I find interesting about where sports is going. So
I have I think we both like this. So I
grew up a baseball fan, but the sport it's like
what Democrats name like Bill Maher will say the Democratic
(05:26):
Party is leaving me. I haven't changed. I was a
baseball guy over a football guy when I was a kid,
and then the sport just got slow and ponderous and
football was just better on television. And I've lived through
TV like that's my life as a kid. I'm going
to throw something at you that I think is going
to happen. Is that I think if you take out
(05:47):
the NFL, that every other sport is dependent on where
the best players play, and it does not help. For instance,
college football got to southern and two regional Alabama, Georgia, Clemson.
It hurt the sport. Michigan and Ohio State's emergence will
(06:07):
help the sport over time. It will bring a big group.
I'm a West Coast guy. I was a Big ten
Pac twelve guy because the Rose Bowl. So I'm more
of a Big ten guy than an SEC guy, although
I can acknowledge the SEC's great. I think we're going
to have a change here in the next five to
ten years in sports. And that is when the regional
sports networks went away and Fox let them go. They
(06:32):
were out of money an hour later, and those were
vital to Pittsburgh's, Cincinnati, Oakland, Kansas City, Seattle, they were vital.
Sure the sport now is basically in the hands of
the Dodgers Steve Cohen, And I mean, I'm not sure
the Yankees and the Steinbrenners can compete. Steinbrenners are saying
(06:55):
they can't. What you're seeing now in baseball is all
the riveting players play for the Dodgers, the Phillies, the
Mets or the Yankees. And I think we're gonna have
a renaissance in baseball is that with these regional networks gone.
There's not even the forget the fake appearance that there's parody.
(07:20):
There are like four kings at the top. Everything else
is upon nothing else. I mean, you think that's good
for the sport. No, No, what I think it's good
for is the primary weakness of baseball. It's television ratings.
The attendance is fine, it's always dominated the summer. It
has died on television. Last year's National League playoffs, it
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was like New York, La San Diego and eight of
the best thirteen players in the sport. And that we
always think parody matters, No, it doesn't. The truth of
The matter is if the Celtics, Chicago, Bulls, and the
Lakers were great right now, the NBA would be in
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great shape. Oklahoma City is not good for the league.
There is this belief. This is where I always say
about Kansas City. Dynasties aren't bad. Great players on great
brands are not bad for the league. I think we're
gonna have a renaissance. I think the Dodgers, Steve Conan,
the Mets, the Yankees, and maybe one other team will
not be able to afford the best players. That that's
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at Philadelphia, maybe Phillies because their attendants and their merchandising
is so strong. I don't know about their TV radio
deals locally. Is that I think baseball has something the
NBA doesn't. All they're fascinating players. I mean, if I
told you this, the six big TV products they have Otani, Judge,
Bryce Harper, Mookie Betts.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, no, it's all Manny Machado, ted titit.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
They're all in the big They're all in these big, glossy,
favorable markets. There's my take is that we're going to
have a renaissance, that baseball is going to come storming back.
It did in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So I think this year is the most important your
baseball's had in a very very long time because of
two things, and you kind of alluded to both of them.
One is the momentum of last postseason, which is absolutely tremendous,
and the other is the general angst an annoyance by
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the average fan towards the NBA. Yeah, I think that
it is incumbent upon baseball two and I don't have
a listen. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking
about this, so I don't even know exactly what I
mean by this, but to seize this moment because I
agree with you. I mean, we did our show from
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the World Series. Now that's because it was in New
York so it was easy to get to, but also
because we were all.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So into it. It was great.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It felt like such a cool event and it was.
It was so lively and active, and it made me
remember when you know, and when when I first started,
it was shortly after when you first started, was before
I even had a show. We were doing our shows
from the NBA Finals, even though they were not in LA.
(10:12):
It was Warriors Calves every year, and we traveled to
Cleveland to do our shows because it was such an
event that I think baseball. So I was talking to
a mutual friend of ours. I don't think you'll mind
me saying this, so I'll just yeah, I'll quote him
(10:33):
on it, our friend Maverick, and he said that the
media is moving towards an events model where things have
to feel like an event. And it's why even though
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Mike Tyson's sixty years old and could barely get to
the ring, that was huge, it felt. And the NFL
every game feels like an event. You'll have the college
football playoff playoff is exactly UFC feels is an event.
(11:14):
And so that's really really hard for baseball. So you
know what, because there's so many games, so finding ways.
Maybe it is marketing their stars to fuck to pick
these benchmarks that are their events of the year, or
marketing matchups or games.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
This is where Fox gets credit. They're the one that
came up with the London game, the game in the cornfield, so.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, yeah field a dreams game, one that felt big.
That's an event like something cool like that that makes
it stand out from the noise of everything else.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's right, Yeah, I know that was Fox. Fox management
came and said, you guys need more big events and
they work. By the way, I watched the London Games,
they were cool.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The Field of Dreams game is cool every year. It's
just awesome. It looks cool. It's great.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. No, I think Maverick Carter's right on that. I
think there's a lot of reasons for that, but I
think you have to, you know, like I it's easy
to root for the Dodgers or the Chiefs. Like I
have the Dodgers on throughout the summer in Los Angeles, everybody,
every other guy that comes to the bat is an
all Star. It's like an All Star game. I mean seriously,
you get down to like Taoscar Hernandez is batting fifth,
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and you're like, Jesus, he just dominated the series in
the Bronx, like everybody's great. The whole damn team is great.
Like I mean, they've got Tommy Edmund batting eighth that
he was like the NLCS MVP. You're like, it's an
all star team. So and like the Chiefs, it's easy.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
One of the greatest radio shows in America and it
has now been on You'll be more impressed by this
than anyone for twenty three years. Running in the same
market is a show called The Church of Lasla and
it's on It used to be on an alternative rock station.
It's now on a regular rock station. Doesn't matter, but
(13:06):
their frequency just changed. But it's been this dude, Laslow
and his buddy slim Fast. I was their sports guy
for years and Laslow, I'm gonna tell a real, you know,
quick tangent.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
People like it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Laslow is to me. He was one of my mentors
in radio and just also one of the coolest stories ever.
He was from Detroit, alcoholic drug addict, went to the Navy.
I think got kicked out of the Navy because of
those two things I just mentioned. I don't again, I
might get his story something wrong. Kind of was always
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a mess, always did radio and then got sober. Started
this state and is like a wild liberal on the
radio in Kansas City, Missouri, where when he started his
show every single day he would start a show by saying,
it is been X amount of days since George W.
Bush declared mission accomplished in Iraq and then went on
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and he has. He's on the air to this day
because he's so talented and they're so I think it's
the funniest show in America. So say all that. So
when I first started in radio, they were down the hall.
They had actually just come back from Seattle, where they
used to be simulcast in Seattle and Kansas City, and
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Laslow said to me, He's like, listen man. And this
wasn't his original theory, but he was the first person
I had heard it from. I'm like twenty four. He's like,
you gotta know what type of horse you are for
this company? Like what do you mean? He's like, there's
three horses in radio. He's like, there's the money horse,
there's the show horse, and there's the workhorse. He's like,
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and you're gonna screw up if you don't know which
horse you are, Like okay, He's like the money horse
is the guy who's always gonna have a job because
all the big clients love him. He's like the car
dealership's his buddy, and this guy and so he does
all the reads because they all love him. He's safe.
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He's like, the show horse is the guy who they
want to be able to put on the billboard the
name we got. He's like, he's usually like someone who
does you know a former athlete or does local TV
and they feels like a celebrity. He's like, none of
the advertisers know who the hell you are and nobody
knows your name. He's like, that just leaves the workhorse.
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He's like, and that's what it sounds like. You're gonna
keep your job because you're gonna work harder than everybody.
Do you need me to pick up that shift? I
can do this, I can do that. You're also gonna work,
You're gonna know everything, like that's your path, man, And
honest to god, it's one of the most important conversations
I've ever had in my career because I was like, Okay,
(15:57):
that's who I'm gonna be. And he was telling me this.
He's like, you think you're the show horse. You think
like you're a b He's like, but you're not. Maybe
one day you will be, but you're not. And that
I was going to say this because Draymond recognized early on,
I'm the workhorse. I've got to do the dirty work.
I got to do all this. But the more interesting
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part of it is the should or thing, which is
Shador fell in the draft because he thought he was
a show horse and teams were looking at him as
are you a workhorse? And he thought, I'm Shoudoor Sanders,
I'm interviewing you. I've got all these people competing for
my services. And they looked at it as you're should
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or Sanders. Are you gonna pick up this mistake we
put in the film Are you gonna know? The playbook?
Are you gonna do this? And if you don't know
the job you're applying for, how do you nail the interview?
And so I think that is like a really it's
a really something I've carried with me forever, like poignant
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piece of advice, which is it doesn't so much matter
how you view yourself. It matters in an employment setting.
It matters how your employer or potential employer views you
and are you representing that? Are you you know? And
so that I think was Shador's biggest mistake is he
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didn't know what job he was interviewing for, and he
didn't know who he was to these teams, well, and
I'll throw something at you.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I one of the things why we didn't get an
honest read, because clearly Pittsburgh never viewed him. They viewed
him as Kenny Pickett. Daniel Jeremiah said that when his
intel was that they viewed him is a little better
than Kenny Pickett as a prospect. Well, Kenny Pickett by
the two gms, two of the gms in the league
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that I really respect, one of them with a couple
of trophies. Kenny Pickett is a top to middle of
the third quarterback and that's exactly what he is. He's
a backup and an occasional starter if somebody gets hurt,
which is his role potentially in Cleveland. I don't think
he'll be there long, but that's his current role. So
the reason that Shadur didn't get an honest evaluation is
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because Dion Sanders knows so many people in the NFL,
and he's worked at many broadcast companies, and nobody wanted
to be honest. This is what I've always said about bullies,
and Dion is not a bully. The downside to being
forceful and intimidating it in a bully is you actually
get lied to by everybody in your life because nobody
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wants confrontation. People don't like it, your wife doesn't, your
kids don't. So the big brash bully, the top sales guy,
the ego maniac, Bobby Knight in his prime never got
an honest opinion because he and intimidated people. So you're
much better having relationships where you ask questions, you don't
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always have an opinion where people feel free to criticize you,
and that that will give you a more honest appraisal
of who you truly are and what you need to accomplish.
Bullies get lied to more than anybody. Although they think
they're always demanding and getting the truth, the exact opposite
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is true. They have visions of they're deluded to a
degree because they're always being told yes, you're right and
absolutely and all. So the other group that never gets
an honest appraisal are superstars and celebrities. You know, nobody ever,
nobody ever told George Clooney in his prime, you're not
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really it's not working for me on this because he
was so big you didn't want to piss him and
his you know, it's like Leonardo DiCaprio this prime. Don't
offend him, that won't go well. And so being a superstar,
Deon's like a superstar. I mean he's doing commercials with
Nick Saban and he's a five hundred coach of Colorado.
That's all you need to know, right So, so I
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think that's what hurt should door is nobody just came
out and just said and and by the way, arch
Manning may get a little bit of this too, sure
is that people are nobody's gonna come out and say,
I gotta be honest, he couldn't beat out Quinn yours.
There's a reason.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So he's okay, that's well, that's a that's a I've
just assumed arch Manning is a guaranteed top five pick.
But I so but that. But I don't know as
monchbal college football as you and and I'm not even
saying that's what you're saying. Here's the other thing. The
stor thing revealed to me, and it's not that I
needed it revealed. I it was it shined a light
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on we have traded as a sports public true insiders
for instant, transactional gratification. We have valued who is going
(21:19):
to have this thing that was going to be announced
by the team in ninety minutes. Anyway, First over, what
is actual informational journalism, which is somebody said this, and
(21:39):
again I wish I could quote him, but I can't.
Journalism is publishing or uncovering information that otherwise would not
get out there. That's what it is, Like I this
story would remain hidden or fact or whatever it is.
Don van Na did a lot of that, like Seth Wickersham.
(22:02):
We know that people who've done it in sports simply
being the first to say this player is signing with
this team when that player signing with that team was
going to become public knowledge. No matter what is a
different I'm not saying it's not journalism. It's a different thing,
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but that is the thing that we in the general
public seemingly value because that is the thing that people
get paid for and get famous for as reporters. The
only way to these days do that job really well
is to have everyone like you, which is why in
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modern sports journalism, every draft pick is great, every surgery
is ahead of schedule, every MRI was better than expected,
and everything is pop positive. Every single thing is positive.
And so no the fact that none of our insiders said,
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I've talked to fifteen teams and twelve of them don't
have Shador in their top fifty, like nobody had this,
nobody had like it was. It went from is he
gonna be the first pick too. Okay, it'll be cam Ward,
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but then you know Shador giants Browns to oh shit,
he might slide to the Saints. And then by draft
day it was wow, what does it mean for Aaron
Rodgers because Shador could maybe be there at twenty one
and they could draft him. Yeah, the entirety of the
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NFL world nobody had. He'll be very fortunate if he
is taken with the Browns or Giant second pick. Not
one person. And by the way, I'm not I obviously
didn't have it. I'm an acting like I had it,
but I'm an insider. And so I found that really
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telling that man, what information are we actually getting? Like
what is the real real and are the guys who
actually have the real information like, well, I know the
truth here, but it's not worth it because it'll piss
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the wrong relationships, agents, teams, whatever off. And so I
also think that what is so stunning about this and
this last thing I'll say, because I know now we're
a month old on it, it is shocking that Dion
didn't have the information either, that nobody privately told Dion.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hey, that's hey, that's the downside, like a bully of
being a bloved.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Nobody told Dion, hey, man, get the truth. Like, listen,
maybe they're all wrong, but the league has real questions
of whether are at your son's a starter? So you
got to tell him he's got to blow their socks
off in this because Dion is. Whatever anyone thinks of Dion,
he's obviously a loving, devoted father that's undeniable. And he
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just he had didn't have the information, that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Think about that. Think of how many friends he has
in the NFL, and not a single person. I'm telling you,
Arch Manning, be very careful. The Mannings are American football royalty,
will it now? I will say there's a little less.
They've got their own egos. But Dion's always been over
the top. He's been He's been almost at times a
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wrestling heel like he loves to, you know. And the Mannings,
you know, with Arch, he's been backing up Quinn yours,
who he's clearly better than. And they never transferred they
I mean it was so they've handled it with grace,
and I think that's the Manning's brand. But I I
this this really does go back to bullies and superstars.
You'd think they'd get the inside info. They're lied to
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more than everybody else. You know who you don't lie to, Uh,
your cranky neighbor who you don't love, but you're gonna
tell him don't mow the grass at six o'clock on
a Saturday. You're gonna give him a real, honest, cranky opinion.
The people that you don't have anything to lose, like,
like just people that you don't adore, you're always willing
(26:43):
to say, Bro, that's not gonna work. Don't do that. Yeah,
that's hard to say to a Manning or a Dion Samders.
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
That's really interesting. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Finally you got to bless Dallas cowboy fans heart. They're
so excited for George Pickens. And I was in this
today when Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work.
I made Matt shab a pro bowler, Rock Purty, I
got into a Super Bowl, Garoppolo, I got to a
Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the
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Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.
When Warren Buffett says be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful
with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver. Listen,
I can't make it work. Chase Claypool, ab Martavius Bryant.
(27:37):
I mean this goes on Yoni Johnson, if Mike Tomlin,
who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with
immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.
But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.
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He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,
Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry.
Jerry is saving it. He's giving a job that's not available.
McCarthy couldn't get interviews, parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need him.
That wore Jimmy out. Dak Prescott fourth round, he loves hey,
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Tony Romol undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in the first round.
They don't need Jerry. So when he goes and gets
George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin, I'm out.
Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work. I think
this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where he would
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hunt for gems, and I think that is literally his
mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and play is
that he feels like Pickens He's he's the rest of
the league is out. I am in, and I don't
think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys are
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where the Cowboys are currently.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
And I think that George Pickens is one of the
more overrated players in the whole league. And the reason
I feel that way is because I think certain football
fans this is one of my this is one of
my favorite and kind of relatively newest take, which is
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talent has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL. Obviously,
you need a requisite level of talent. That goes without saying, However,
this idea that talent is some cure all when this
guy has been a pain in the ass every step
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of his football life. It is why he fell on
the draft. It is why you were hearing rumors about
him being available during his second year. During his third year,
he was traded here. It is the he It's you know,
when you are potentially trying to get a contract in
the offseason and your team is in the middle of
(30:23):
a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas
Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.
You show up three hours before your TV show, Colin,
you have two hundred and twenty of them a year.
He's got seventeen football games, and he like, you're just
not a serious person and you're not going to contribute
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to winning the way your talent says you should. And
so there's that. There is also the fact that trading
a third round pick for a player with one year
left on his contract means you probably should give him
a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,
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than trading a third round pick for one year of
George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is
giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put
themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we
pay this guy early when he has never he's never
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been the top ten in the NFL of anything. He's like,
his career numbers are pedestrian, he's never outpaced his production,
has never outpaced his targets, and he is.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
A million gets unnecessary, a million problems there, so you
can't pay him. But the other thing you shouldn't do
is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid round
picks for rentals. And so I two years ago, Colin
the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But two
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years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops everywhere
and the receivers couldn't do anything, Yeah, Pickens was available then,
and Wilds and Bruke couldn't believe me. I was like,
I don't want him. I was like, the Chiefs already
are on thin ice with Kadarius Tony, like they you know,
And they got They got. The Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony.
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They gave up a fifth round pick. He had three
years left on his deal, and that's still Listen. He
had the amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but
he's still ultimately got can't get right. Guys can't get right,
and so I I'm not a Pickens guy. I also
think he's a somewhat overrated player. And I also think,
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for if Mike Tomlin had a hard time keeping him
inside the lines. Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as
a head coach, how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is
going to be about Micah's podcast and whatever the old
George Pickens did a lot of it is the.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Answer to that. Yeah, if a rehab centers like.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, we're done exactly right, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I want to go to Baker Mayfield. I thought you
had an interesting Somebody once in the last year asked
Baker Mayfield about me and blah blah blah, and he said, well,
we're frenemies. And I think Baker knows I like him
and respect him, and he's always been nice to me.
He said nice things publicly. You had to take the
other day that he's actually he was over discussed when
he was in Cleveland. He's now under discussed. Yeah, And
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it's it's funny because I think Baker's better than Dak.
He's better than Tua. He's better than Gino, He's better
than Aaron, He's better than Russell, He's better than Cousins.
I think he and Darnold are very similar that they
can be mistake prone, but they can plan it.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And there there were touchdowns last year.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
He's been really good. Go ahead, Yeah, No, Baker is
a prime example. You see this a lot in the NBA,
where a guy comes in and you just needs the
mature aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally Maturity's not the issue.
It's you either have it or you don't. Baker was
the rare lot of testosterone, a lot of confidence, and
(34:19):
I felt like, can somebody turn the governor down just
a little? He was Johnny Manziel, but more likable and
with actual talent. He could really throw a football. But
I think Baker is the rare NFL player and quarterback.
You're like one of the talents. Inarguable, he's just got
to turn the governor down. Cleveland was not built for Baker.
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You go to a great GM, a talented roster in Tampa,
which is, by the way, below the radar. It's in
the NFC South, which is a low profile division. Baker
now is absolutely underdiscussed. He is a really good NFL quarterback.
I don't think that's disputable.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
and not include it. And then when you add to
the fact that he makes around sixty percent of what
the other guys in that top ten make, his value
is massive. He for a guy who dealt with injuries
during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. His
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teammates love him, and he now has back to back
years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win the
division again, forty touchdowns last year, and so yeah, I
think that there was because he was talked about so
much when he wasn't yet that good. I think people
(35:46):
got I don't know if numbs the right word, but
they were just kind of got over him. And now
that he is, I think really good people are just like, Okay, yeah,
that's Baker, Like he's a people I think boxed ten in.
He's a good story and that is true, but he's
more than that at this point. At this point, like
(36:09):
do I this is you know, a third rail for
some Do I think he's better than Brock Birdie? I
do what I rather like And so you said, Dak Prescott,
I think that's close. I think that there is. There
are a lot of quarterbacks that like I'll give you
a great example. Now, this guy's young and we'll see,
(36:30):
but he makes a lot of money. I think he's
pretty clearly better than Jordan Love. And I think that
Jordan Love is discussed like he is. You know what
I mean? This hasty, I have.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
To it's interesting. So I was really not anti Jordan Love,
but I but I said, for two years there is
more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him
for a reason. Then he came out and he was
kind of sensational and I really bought into him. And
then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all
this footage and they found holes. And at the end
(37:05):
of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught on
to him. This is now. It would be a sophomore
slump for anybody else, but he was like in.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
His fourth year year.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, and so I want to see him. So now
it's like an NBA playoff series, like you get worked,
then you change things and that there's stages and coaching,
you know, adaptations.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan's shock the league. Now
I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want
to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why
they drafted to me ag a receiver in the first round,
because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
more help than we think here. But I so, I'm
not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell
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of a whip and he's a really good athlete, but
he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league,
Jordan Love, I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I
know who's good. I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love
is the last. I'm not really sure what he is
in the league.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
To me, I'm gonna throw another guy that I'm not.
I think this guy's really good, but I'm gonna put
the not sure, and that's CJ. I think that I
think CJ's really good. It is there are some I
think it is hard in the modern NFL to be
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really good if you hate running, you don't, you know
what I mean? And and now like I'm sure CJ,
especially because he's black quarterback, like was probably you know,
felt pressure like to prove to everyone like I'm I'm
not you know what I mean, I'm not a running
back with that also play in the position. I'm a
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true prototypical pocket passer. The problem with that is that
position it's not extinct, but it is on the just
the Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Joe Burrows style is it's
just a hard way to make a living. And it
doesn't mean you have to be you know, one read
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and then take off and run. But it's a nice
pitch to have particularly come the playoffs well. And I
thought CJ in the playoffs last year actually went to
it a little more and so that was a good sign.
But I just want to see a little more from him.
But yeah, I think in general, we usually know who
these guys are, and then there are guys who like
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this is the thing that I would say about guys
like Donald or Gino. I don't think Darnald's a weird
one for you because you always saw this really good player.
But I think people that said like those guys were
not good potentially were correct, and then those guys, through
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hard work and maturation and learning and getting older, got good,
like you know what I And so like the I
think that a guy like Gino, I think Gino was
probably rightfully you know, lower tier backup early and then
worked his ass off, got better, learned more and became
(40:16):
this player. But yeah, I think most of the quarterbacks
we know, we know about who they are. The one
I'll throw another one at you that to me is
the most confusing or most intriguing, and that's Herbert. Because Herbert,
it's there is no there is no question how talented
(40:36):
he is. But five years into your career. You need
more than just he throws an amazing ball. And there's
not a lot of quarterbacks who five years into their
career who ended up being amazing, who five years into
their career hadn't accomplished anything. And he's on that list.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah. No, he his first two coaches, though, Dean Spanos
until Harbaugh never paid money for a coach, so his
first two coaches were a miss. So I do think
he's a rare. Circumstantially, I think he's a rare. I
think the people in the league that I know all
love him. He was also the justin Herbert criticism is fair.
He was mechanical on film. People thought he was mechanical.
(41:21):
Tom Telesco, who drafted him, said, we thought he was mechanical.
Then I went and watched him in person and I
saw him play the best Iowa, best Wisconsin defense of
all time and went, oh, Okay, he's not that mechanical,
but he can be sort of a rhythm quarterback where
when he gets out of rhythm. You know, I've said
this about certain players are like the Pacers are a
(41:43):
rhythm offense. Halliburton leaves for four and a half minutes.
They can't get the rhythm back, like it's like, oh,
it just doesn't work. Like Herbert's a rhythm thrower, Like
he gets into a rhythm and if you bang him,
or he gets sacked or a receiver drops it, he
can get out of rhythm. A lot of quarterbacks, aren't,
They just they just pick it up, they go. So
I think the criticism of Herbert are fair. But he's six'
(42:05):
five a, four two biology.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Jobs he's super, smart he's super. Athletic he could run.
More he did a little more under, hardball like he in.
College he ran the hell out of the ball when
they needed. To here would be kind of a CONCERN i.
Have that is really just a kernel of a BELIEF
i have about, sports which is particularly for the most scrutinized.
(42:31):
Positions so best player on AN nba, team quarterback on
a football. Team the randomness of your first couple times
in a big spot casts the longest shadow a magical
over your. Career and So i'll use a basketball example
(42:55):
than a couple of football. Examples the fact That kobe
as a teenager basically was a, champion and That, Listen
kobe was unbelievable on the second two championships With. Shaq
but that first championship With, shaq he was a role
player and it was Peak shaquille. O'Neal but before he
(43:18):
can is old enough to, drink he's a. Champion no
one is ever going to be able to be, like
can he can you win a ring With Kobe? Bryant
and that gave, him in my, opinion the freedom to be,
Like i'll take every fucking into game. Shot no one
can ever say anything bad about, me, right and so
it had a real. IMPACT i do. THINK i Think
(43:41):
Tom brady is one of the greatest athletes of all
time and obviously has the greatest resume of any quarterback.
EVER i also wonder if they simply hadn't you, KNOW
i won't even do the the. Game if in that
(44:03):
First Super bowl Then Terry, miss yeah miss is the field,
goal or he makes one bad read or whatever it
is and they don't win, there then does he have
like the freedom to be him in those? Moments moving?
(44:23):
FORWARD i think THAT i THINK i think there is
a chance that we are talking About Russell wilson the
way we talk About Terry. Bradshaw if he doesn't throw
The Malcolm butler pick BECAUSE i think if they would
have won That Super bowl and he really, believed Like
i'm ordainous By god to do, this that it then
led to itself and.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Then go, ahead well, no, No and by losing That
Super bowl and throwing that, pick it eroded the chemistry
in the locker room and it was never the same
off one, play AND i.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Think it eroded for. Him this feeling of this is
meant to be the the flip side to those To
brady or To. Kobe example Is. Peyton So peyton early
in his career came up short in a couple of
big spots and then it just the weight got bigger and,
(45:16):
bigger and he got That moniker even though he's a
challenged any football Player i've ever. Seen so the REASON
i bring that up IS I i worry that For,
herbert he is going to walk into his next playoff
game with the weight of the world on his. Shoulders
(45:38):
he's gonna be Like i've been. HERE i basically played
two real and one de facto playoff. Game the de
facto was The week Eighteen Chargers. Raiders remember that were
like a. Tie you both go to the playoffs and
The raiders stealing at the end we blew a four
score lead to The, jags AND i threw four picks
(46:01):
in my other playoff, game and it just it is
so it's so fleeting what that you know what those can.
Be and so that is to, me, like, well a
real and Something i'm excited to see moving because you've
seen how it's worn On lamar and you see the
(46:23):
Freedom mahomes plays with moms like nobody can ever call
me anything but, clutch and he can play.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Like, that well it. Can lamar now is feeling the.
Pressure you can See lamar in playoff games as. TIGHT
i think eventually the failures of The chargers and The
spanos family to get the right coach got them to
pay fifteen million dollars a year For. Harbass so he
has his. Kingmaker AND i also think it Takes this
is something that people don't really understand. THIS i think
(46:53):
we tend, men at least In, america tend to worship other,
men and we we just forget That Michael jordan for
years didn't do shit Without pippen and at the end
it was pathetic In. Washington but it's six for six
and he's the greatest ever and he failed at, baseball
And michael Got Phil jackson And Scottie pippen and everything.
(47:13):
Changed he was just kind of a ballhog who couldn't
get Past, boston he couldn't get Past. Detroit it didn't
get along with a lot of teammates early In chicago Or, Layton.
Washington and even when he was with The, bulls he was.
Hard in the Documentary Tom cruise a great. Example So
Tom cruise goes into a high school play and a
(47:36):
year later he's in the, movies and not long after
that he's in a risky business and that really defines.
HIM i, mean Ray ban sales, exploded you, know from
the underwear scene in risky. Business So tom had absolute.
Talent but if you go back and look At Tom,
cruise who is as, driven willful and obsessed about movies as.
(47:58):
Anybody it was until his last five to six movies
where he finally came to terms With i'm just gonna
run a lot and do action movies and they all.
Hit and his last five to six movies have been massive.
Hits he Did rock Of, Ages Eyes Wide, Shut Vanilla,
sky who some people really, Like i've never seen. It
(48:18):
he had lots of. Missus Marlon brando had lots of,
misses so think how long it took for, finally finally
A Bradley cooper to find the right, director Or Tom
cruise to find the right. Vehicle he was always, talented
but Like, herbert he needs his. Hardball and that's WHAT
(48:40):
i think we tend to forget is That Michael jordan
Had Doug collins and Stan, olbrick but No Scottie. Pippt
he couldn't win a.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Playoff series, correct none of.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Them so you just you just need so much. Help
and that's you, know when anybody will ever ask, me
you know about, gosh how do you think you've done
it for thirty? Years and you have been doing this
AND i, Say i've had great. Help i've had really good.
Bosses i've had a couple, stinkers but overwhelming we've had
really good support and really good agents and really good.
(49:11):
BOSSES i would have been somewhat. Successful but the point
being is if you find a great stockbroker or, YOUTH
i Mean, obama he has, Somewhere he's got a kingmaker behind,
him you, know somebody behind him believed in, him and
we just forget that in sports and That mahomes would
have been, successful But Brett veach And Andy reider a big.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
Part oh, yeah, well the, yeah and that it's also
one of the reasons THAT i find THE i find
it really fun but also frustrating at times when we.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Trying to parse individual credit for team sports. Success is
one of the most fun things about our. Business and
it's also why a guy WHEN i see, similarly but,
it's you, know one of the more POLARIZING i feel
quarterbacks is so interesting In party because there is it's
(50:09):
so much of all, right who is? It are? We you,
know LIKE i argue With wild's about. It wild's basically
his take is THAT i believe when The niners, Win shanahan,
won and when they, Lose party, Lost like is it
you know that The shanahan gets the credit and doesn't
get the. Blame and my my actual take is THAT
(50:34):
i think that there is there are a lot of
factors that have gone into why a quarterback who everyone
in the, league including The niners thought was not that,
good has had statistically one of the three or four
greatest starts to a career in the history of the.
(50:55):
SPORT i understand there are. MISSES i gets. IT i
Know brady went one ninety. NINE i understand all, that
BUT i when people with purty people will, say you
would feel differently if he were the number one, pick
and my answer is, yes of, course.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Of course he'd be a better.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Player, right that's the, right because that's that's. It you
wouldn't the. Draft it's not, random like if you were
the number one, pick he wouldn't be. Undersized he would
have a slightly stronger on that's. Right he, was, like
there's real things to.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
It Tony romo was undrafted When Bill parcells found, Him
so the first four to five years Of Tony romo's
roster was. Great didn't pay him. Anything he was. Free
the minute they started Paying Tony, romo the offensive line
wasn't as, good And Tony romo couldn't win big, games
even Though Tony romo is a really GOOD b plus
a minus. Quarterback But Tony romo was. Free Kurt warner
(51:48):
early in his, career WHO i think is, great undervalued,
historically ye, know came into the.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
League he was.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Free there's no question that Brock perty's lineup was stamped, well.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Stamp, well and, listen we don't we've done the party thing.
Before what is so frustrating me about the party thing
is and maybe this is why it's an ARGUMENT i
can't get over is and And i'm gonna make this,
point you, know till the end of my, career as
long as this is. Relevant four, years folks argued About Jimmy.
(52:20):
Garoppolo is he just a? Winner is he? Underrated you?
Know is you?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Know?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Was did he Make brady nervous because he was breathing
down his? Neck and then there were folks like. Me
he was, like, AH i actually think he's pretty, mediocre
and they'd be like, no that team was. Terrible and
then he got. There they went to AN nfc championship,
game they went to a Super, bowl AND i kept, saying,
(52:48):
YEAH i really think twenty five quarterbacks in the, league
if you gave them the defense The niners, had then
that head, coach those, weapons they would be incredibly. Successful
and it's, like, well that's a, hypothetical we'll never. Know
and then they literally replaced him with the last pick
(53:09):
of the draft had the exact same level of, success
and those same people instead of being like, shit maybe you're,
right they're like that new, guy he's fucking awesome, too
And i'm, like you gotta be kidding.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Me i'm, like they literally did. It they didn't replace
him with a first round. Pick they replaced him with
the last pick of the. Draft and guess what they.
Did they went to AN nfc championship game like they
did With. Jimmy they then went to a Super bowl
like they did With.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Jimmy they lost The Super bowl to literally the same
team in very similar. Fashion And you're, like turns out
they're both. Awesome and Then i'm, like, hey by the,
way How's garppolo look now that he's gone.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Playing they're, like, oh, well.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
You, know.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
INJURIES i. Guess i'm, like or maybe he's. Stuck LIKE
i Think perty's obviously better Than, Groppolo but Like groppolo
was a is a below average quarterback who looked quite.
GOOD i Think perty's an average quarterback who looks great
in the exact same. System and by the, Way Jimmy
grappolo never Had christian. McCaffrey AND i just feel myself
(54:11):
going crazy on. It and then they paid a fifty
three million, dollars so what DO i.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Know the volume
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