Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bills BAD Loss, Caleb Has HORSEPOWER, Pats Are BACK, Seahawks Don’t Have A Weakness - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:08):
hour plus. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, has his own
podcasts three and out. It is Sunday. There's a lot
to talk about. Listen, Let's let's start with a non
competitive game. Rams forty two, Niners twenty. It's just amazing.
The Rams are the least penalized team in the league.
No penalties in this This is one of those things

(01:31):
when I used to cover the Patriots, right I was
when I was on the East Coast. They went years
and I was always like, nobody fumbles for New England
and I used to tell friends, I'm like, is it
a stickham thing? People would field on the ball? An
they're well coached the Rams for the second year of
the least penalized team, you go into a heated rivalry game,

(01:54):
no penalties, no turnovers. My take is, obviously the Niners
were all banged up. It is so efficient. You can
see the coaching with the Rams. That's what I feel like.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I mean the forty nine ers. Their defense is
a mass unit. But when you play a mass unit
and you're a good team, you score in every drive.
And that's essentially what the Rams did. And Stafford is
a dominant player right now. I mean, he's a legitimate
He's probably had some years. I have to really dive in,
but this feels like his highest level of play consistently
week in week out, especially when you factor in his age.

(02:29):
Remember McVeigh all offseason said, listen, we value what because
of our money situation, we are underpaying Matt Stafford and
we know it. They approach this offseason with him much
different than they did years ago with the golf situation.
They were just transparent about it. They're like, we know
we technically have to underpay him. We know he's better
than what we're he's maying forty million dollars a year.

(02:50):
I mean, Trevor Lawrence makes more than him, right, Tua
makes more than him, Perty makes more than him. So
he is Pukah is an incredible talent and and him
have that. He has like a Rogers level rapport with.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Him immediately immediately he had no training camp. I mean,
give me a break.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, well yeah, I forgot about that because the back
didn't work. So you try they are. It feels like
we're on a collision course right now. We're recording this
obviously before the Monday night game, so we'll see the
Eagles and the Packers. But I would say the Rams
in Seattle look like they're playing at a really high level.
The forty nine ers offense actually is playing at a
really high level. It's just defense that they're rolling out

(03:28):
me and you, and they got no chance to stop
a good team.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm just gonna say, if you looked at the box
score and didn't look at the score and watch the game,
Niners move the ball. I'll say this about Mac Jones.
You know, Mac Jones is a big, sturdy kid. I
think he throws a really nice ball. He's not super athletic,
but like I get when I watch him, like I
get why he was a great high school college and

(03:53):
a pro bowler. Like Mac throws a real ball. He
makes good decisions type spiral. You know, he moved out
and threw a touchdown pass, you know, scrambling to a
tight end. It's like I would have no problem as
a bridge quarterback for a couple of years going with
Mac Jones if I was an NFLGM or a coach.

(04:14):
He's one of the better bridge guys in a law
and to me.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
In a while, yeah, I'd even argue he's probably better
than that. You know, like clearly you watch Sam Darnold,
his physical traits are that of a guy that was
drafted really high in any draft. Quarterback inflation are back
in the nineties. Mac doesn't have those physical attributes. But
he's an NFL starting quarterback. But he's on a two
year contract. Count did you see the clip with Brady

(04:38):
when they asked him on the pregame show about you
know Mac Jones and he said, well, once upon a time,
you know, you can't not go to Mac Jones the
way he's playing. And I found myself in a situation
a long time ago, and I look at me now,
I'm probably not here if I wasn't, and I just went.
I actually don't think it's that controversial to say Pretty's
tow doesn't work. He can't even dress for games. Mac

(05:00):
Jones is the quarterback for the entire season. Like, I
don't expect Perdy to play, and if he does, he'll
immediately just reinjure his toe. That's what happened lat That's
the injury he has. He's got a unique injury. It's
not one of those things that just heals. He's never
gonna be one hundred percent. So if he's compromised. Mac
Jones is keep playing to me. Mac Jones plays the
rest of the season. And you know, the crazy thing is, Colin,

(05:22):
we're not that far away from the Bears and the
forty nine. Ers play in about four or five weeks,
and that could potentially be for the seventh seed. Now
the Niners, they play the Cards, the Titans, the Browns.
Remember we talked about at the beginning of the season,
the Patriots and the Niners. There's the Bear schedule gets
a little more difficult, Packers a couple of times, the Steelers,
even the Vikings, I think next week in Minnesota, so

(05:45):
the Niners, but they all they play each other. So
if the Bears can just kind of hold serve, we
could have a pseudo, you know, December playoff game for
that seven seed Niners Bears, which would be pretty fun.
It'd be I'm also the Mac Jones thing. Let's say
you could trade him this offseason. I think he's too
valuable to the forty nine. He makes no money, He's
on a two year, seven million dollar contract, and perty is,
let's face it, he ripped up his arm. Granted that

(06:08):
was the last game of the season, but if that
happens in October. He missed the season this year. I mean,
what's he gonna end up playing two or three games.
Mac Jones value to the forty nine ers, I'd argue,
is more valuable unless you're getting like a first round pick,
which you're probably not. I'm not giving them away. I'm
just holding him for the next this year, next year
until perty proves that he can stay on the field.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh and the Niners will get calls on Matt Jones.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And they'll say and Kyle, Kyle's been open about it.
He wanted to take him, and then I think as
the process went on, he kind of went to the
guy with in quotes more upside. But there's no way
Kyle does like him. Now. You know he's well today,
he's just slink. He didn't have incompletions, I mean hitting
guys on the hill, and beside Kittle and McCaffrey, there's
a lot of DeMarcus Robinson's and Kendrick Bourne. He's not

(06:51):
throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor out there.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Colin no no, I mean I'm impressed with mac Jones.
And the other thing we saw in the late window
when Rawsters get depleted which they do November on elite
quarterbacks Golf Stafford and look at the way late window
Darnald blowout wins when you have a b quarterback and Mac,

(07:15):
I'm telling you max If Max a backup, he's the
best backup in the league. To me, he's a he's
a bridge or a franchise guy. And he struggled to
compete today. So what you saw in the late window,
this is something I've been on now for years. John.
The bottom of the NFL by November looks like the
bottom of the NBA. It's unwatchable because the league is
so quarterback dependent when if you don't have a star quarterback,

(07:40):
because everybody's I mean the Rams are lucky, they don't
get penalties, they don't get hurt. I mean, nobody's hurt,
Buy and large. Everybody's banged up right now. Everybody's dinged up.
The Packers are dinged up, the Niners are dinged up.
You know, it's just the way the league is. It
really helps to have a horse quarterback. And you saw
it today. So you know, Rams in a blowout win

(08:02):
forty to twenty six as we went on the air,
and that game wasn't quite done I want to talk
about the Bears for a second. So Chicago beats New
York twenty four to twenty and so it was Kayleb
Williams and Jackson Dart, and Jackson Dart out played him
for the first three quarters. But there is something I've
said this about Kayleb Williams multiple times. John he doesn't

(08:25):
get hurt and he doesn't throw interceptions. Jackson Dart gets
hurt a lot, and he'll throw picks. Now, Jackson, I
thought he plays with a ton of confidence. He throws
a nice ball. Jackson played really, really well. He had
a couple of touchdown runs. One was a twenty four
yard run. It was a big time run. Both those
quarterbacks can really way above average movement, way above average.

(08:45):
Now again, Caleb had a great fourth quarter. But when
I watched the game, and you have to watch the
whole game, there's becoming an issue with Jackson Dart. He's
blue tenttonent. He's getting banged up a lot. This is
my brock Purty thing. If you're a little smaller or
you play with a lot of confidence. Baker Mayfield used
to do that. First couple of years. He played with

(09:06):
more confidence than he should have. Somebody would pick him off.
He'd square them up. It's like, bro, you're a quarterback,
You're not a free safety. Would it worry you? The
Jackson Dart concussion today, the constant blue tent visits and
the injuries.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think it worries me. With all these young quarterbacks,
they all have a style. You know, I would say
Caleb Williams style is the same thing. He's just built
more like a like a tank. They all scramble around
and run around. I mean, Jaden Daniels nowhere to be found.
Where did he get hurt running? You know? I mean
this is the new age. We watch football every Saturday
for four plus months and it's fantastic. But they're all

(09:44):
moving around. So back in the day, Peyton Manning, Tom
Brady one, all those guys are huge. The quarterbacks now
are smaller. I mean they're definitely smaller, but they move around.
To me, the Jackson Dart the play that he got
injured on, the one that he fumbled, it was like
a quarterback power which had worked earlier in the game.
So when you're calling those plays and the guy's name's

(10:05):
not Cam Newton, you know this is the NFL. You
know he got rocked by like three guys, and I
mean there were a lot of plays. The strength of
Caleb was on full display today. How many sacks did
you break out of? I actually think there's an element
that it's like, I'm not gonna sound critical, but he
almost throws too hard. There were so many balls that

(10:26):
were dropped by those guys throughout the game. It's probably
you know you're there, right, how cold is it in Chicago?
You probably can't feel your hands. The balls are probably
I bet some of those guys are gonna wake up
in the morning with sore hands. But on the balls
where Jackson Dart was completing him, it was more rollout lobs.
It's hard to complete. The Brett farv Farvest players used
to talk about this in Green Bay, like it is
hard to yes in December and November, and I just thought, like,

(10:51):
it's not that Rome is a bad player, but you
catch that. I would say Caleb Williams has right now
as strong of an arm as anyone. In the end,
he led a couple ripped today where you're just like,
that's Josh Allen, if not stronger, it was Jesus.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
How about he rolled right?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I was impressed. I've been hard on him. I thought
I was impressed today with how he played in the
weather too.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
He rolled right. He threw a ball to DJ Moore
in the end zone. He caught it, but he was
out of bounds. John. It was forty yards. I swear
to god. It was a line drive to left field.
It was about as high as the shortstop. It was
a freaking rope in a windy, cold environment, and DJ Moore,
to his credit, caught it, but it was out of bounds.
His the word I always use with Caleb, and I'd

(11:34):
never used it with any quarterback for is just horsepower.
He is a V eight. I mean it is he is.
And here's the air thing. The knock on him Caleb
is he holds the ball too long. But I was
thinking about this today. He doesn't throw picks, so in
his mind is yeah, I'm gonna hold it longer than
other guys because my escapability outside of Lamar Jackson is

(11:54):
probably second best in the league. So first of all,
I'm stronger than Lamar Jackson. So if I do get hit,
I mean you can't if you're breaking like a younger
Russell Wissley, Yeah, or Big Ben where a defensive player
gets on his shoulder and he just brushes him off.
So I think a lot of him holding the ball
is I just trust that I'm going to escape. And

(12:17):
you know, I watched it a couple of times today.
When he had that big run down the sideline, I'm like,
if he was a running back, you wouldn't want to
size him up if you were a safety. I mean,
he's a big dude.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I remember we did this maybe like week two and one.
Thing that jumped out to me, you know, because last
year their games were just so I mean they had
what like a ten game losing streak. I mean, they
didn't matter bad. You watch him this year. He is
way more athletic than I think people thought coming out. Also,
you know, when you're judging him against Arizona and Arizona
State and Colorado right in college, you see him against

(12:48):
these NFL guys, He's running faster than them. Now. You know,
I'm not saying he's Lamar Jackson in the open field,
but he is way faster than I expected. Uh. I
thought he kind of won them the game down the
stretch day we did play after a huge play four,
it flipped when Dark gets hurt Russell Wilson, who is
just man, it's hard to come in in a game

(13:09):
where it's freezing cold, but god, he looks terrible.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
So Caleb's fourth game winning drive in six weeks. And
my whole life, I have watched the Bears lose games
like they're winning. And this, by the way, it's different
Denver's winning. But the quarterback plays awful. The quarterback play
was Chicago's wildly dynamic. And and what's interesting, Caleb's gotten

(13:35):
better late in games. He may not be as well
good on the script that he was in the first
four weeks. Like now he's doing stuff on his own,
and I mean right now this season in the fourth day,
he had seventy seven yards passing, a passing touchdown, one
hundred and nine passer rating, fifty two yards rushing and
a rushing touchdown. Okay, and again that's not the script,

(13:59):
that's the the opposite of the script. Those were crucial
drives to win the game with a ton of pressure. Yeah,
I think I I think he's a hit. I listen,
winning games is today. I watched the Colts ough, God
drove me crazy. They won the game. This is that's
why with analytics. Sometimes I'm like, I'm gonna get points,

(14:20):
sometimes not the touchdown. I need to win the game
so we all keep our mortgage. Right.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, well, to me, the Bears game, if that had
been a probably it's probaborrity in Chicago. But let's say
it's a seventy five degree November early November game. You know,
perfect weather, let's even say like sixty. I mean, like, well,
the Giants are terrible when it's freezing cold. That makes
the game very difficult. I don't care who you're playing.
I'm sure you saw some of that Wisconsin. You know,

(14:45):
Washington game. I owe an Oregon game. It is hard
to play in those environments. No one can feel their hands,
hard to breathe. I have way more respect, Like I
don't judge scores. You know you're not gonna hit many
explosive plays in the passing game? What is all? What
you know if you go back and I saw it
firsthand because they played the Niners when Lafour got there
and they resurrected Rogers' career. They were playing these home

(15:08):
games in Green Bay. It's freezing cold, so your vaunted
pass attack does not work as well. And you know
University of Washington has one of the best wide receivers
in the league, one of the best quarterbacks in the country.
They could not operate. They have a great offense, it
doesn't function. Or you know, Oregon has NFL players everywhere,
they couldn't coach function. So it's like, I just go, hey,

(15:30):
if you got to win a game thirteen to ten,
I actually think and it's an awesome Listen, if you're
a Bears fan, you apologize that nobody about winning games.
After the last the Giants. This thing I defended probably
three or four weeks ago. I'm like, listen, he went
all in on this quarterback. He was right, right, I mean,
there is if you just pull GMS right now, I

(15:51):
think thirty two of them would take Jackson Dart over
cam Ward today. Now their careers aren't written, but today
Brian dabol was right about the quarterback he liked. Problem
is his team. I mean that's I think I read
the Day of stat that that's his fourth game in
which he had a second half lead of ten plus points,
and obviously he's had now multiple double digit leads in

(16:12):
the fourth quarter in which they employed I mean today
he kicked the field goal they had twelve men on
the field. But Russell's in the game, not Dart. He
declines the penalty and takes the points instead of just
getting the first down because and listen, I thought like, hey,
you don't want to risk fumbling. You're up twenty to ten.
How are the Bears going to score? But then it
bit him in the ass. And there were reports, you know,

(16:32):
local radio people have connections to ownership that said the
ownership was close after the Denver Bronco game. And this feels,
you know, you're up twenty to ten, you're cruising. Maybe
they give him a little break because darts in the tent.
But man's that's hard to it's hard to kind of
fend off the arrows, Colin, when you keep having these
devastating losses.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, it's nothing on these New York football teams. It's
just it's just a it's a football swamp. Like I
think people just go to drown in these places.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I think didn't have one hundred yards today total and
they won. Didn't total running, hand passing.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
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(19:03):
Minnesota nineteen. This was one of my favorite picks of
the weekend Raven's third straight win. So I don't like
to bang on young quarterbacks. JJ McCarthy eight false starts
at home. You're the home team, not college team, You're

(19:24):
a pro team. Thirteen total penalties, so I went and
looked this up again. On the opening drive, he's very
good on opening drives. I'm not the first drive with
you know, Kevin O'Connell three of four, one hundred and
seventeen passer ratings, Viking score a touchdown. I watched it.

(19:44):
I'm like bus slick, but I said, as he did it,
I've seen this before. After the first drive, JJ McCarthy
seventeen of thirty eight. Okay, he's under fifty percent and
a forty five passer rating, So it's almost like a comedian.
You either make me laugh or you don't. When I

(20:05):
watch a franchise, quarteraback like, you either pick up first downs,
you have long drives, you make big touchdown throws, or
you don't. You can't try to convince me something is true.
If I go to watch a comedy show, you're either
funny or you're not. For forty five minutes, Bill Burd
makes me laugh almost every joke, Like, you can't convince
me of stuff. And I watched JJ McCarthy and I

(20:25):
didn't like him out of college, so I don't want
to do confirmation bias. But after those scripted drives, I
don't get it. I don't see it. He's not accurate.
Everything's a fastball. And they have good receivers and a
better than average offensive line and a solid running back
and a great offensive coach. I mean overall, today's twenty

(20:46):
of forty two. I mean, you can't win in this
lead like that.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
You know, their biggest problem, too, is their star player,
Justin Jefferson, who they're paying a ton of money, who
is i'd say, widely considered throughout the league, a high level,
high character. I quit on them today. There was an
interception in which he threw, he just stopped, he didn't
even chase, And to me, like wide receivers, aren't your
leaders right? Their follow now Luckily he's the best follower,

(21:10):
but he knows. And then ironically the Seattle game start,
I didn't even I wasn't even on it yet because
it started at two o'clock. I look up Darnold's first pass.
It is like a fifty yard bomb hits JSN in
the hands. And if I'm Justin Jefferson, this is the
Larry Fitzgerald thing. You are so dependent on whoever that
guy is. And he's already had he had a good

(21:31):
Kirk Cousins. Last year, he had a guy throwing thirty
five touchdowns, who's gonna throw forty again? And now he
gets this. This kid's over his head. You know that
this is a situation that listen. It's not his career's
not written, you know, his second year in his career,
but twenty thirty years ago, this guy sitting for two
or three years. This guy's never touching the field. And

(21:51):
he's on the field on a team with a lot
of good players, a great coaching staff. I mean, their
defense was playing their ass off as long as they could.
But your quarterback, he threw two that even I think
Moose Johnson was calling the game, He's like, on one,
I don't even know what he's looking at there. You
cannot throw that ball that the two DB's Willie Mays
catch just right in their hands. They both led, they

(22:12):
both went the field goals. Now they ended up losing
by eight, and I think they had another like a
kickoff return they fumbled that they scored immediately. So turnovers
kill them. But two of them directly on JJ McCarthy
that are just basically acting as punts. And I just
think when you start losing high character guys on your team.
I don't really blame Jefferson here, like I can't battle

(22:35):
for this guy, you know, I don't think he's good enough,
and we saw it. I keep bringing this up because
I was around this team a lot. When you have
a team that views themselves as like a bunch of
pro bowlers that can compete, and the forty nine ers,
like their star players never bought in. It's not that
they're not nice, they don't like the guy personally, but

(22:56):
if you're not good enough, like this is a production
based business, it's pretty black white. You can either play
or you can't. The Bears are a good example of
like their standard's not that high, Like if they get
to eight or nine wins this year, that's a success.
The bike exists. Won fourteen and we're sixteen minutes away
from being the number one seed. Soessin, Jefferson goes, I

(23:16):
got this kid. We have to hold his hand. Who
cannot I mean, playing a real opponent at home, that
was the other thing. We're playing a real opponent at
home and a big underdog with this guy.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And John operationally eight false starts at home. That's like
a college quarterback playing at Georgia. Well, you're overwhelmed. You
can't hear. The whole thing is a mess. And you know,
it's one of those things where players talk to your
point earlier. They know what Donald's doing. Donald's been the
number one ranked PFF quarterback for like a month. I

(23:47):
mean I watched him today. He has the weirdest turnovers.
By the way the ball ricocheted off his tight ends
helmet for an interception. Donald has the weirdest turnovers in
the league. But you can't, you can't. And you know,
the thing about Baltimore is they was field goal, field goal,
field goal. But one of the things about Baltimore is

(24:08):
they just keep coming at you. That that team is
just kind of a relentless attack. I mean, God, remember
a couple of weeks ago when they played the Bears
with Tyler Hontley the backup, and you're like, Jesus, this
is an incredible effort. Baltimore has got a culture that's
been built for years, and they even in that first
half when Brian floores, he's given him trouble. They just
can't quite move the chains. They just keep getting points
and points, and then all of a sudden you look up.

(24:29):
They blow. You know, a couple of big plays and
it's over. Yeah. I respect the Colts. They just moved
off Anthony Richardson. I respect Kyle Shanahan, he just moved
off Trey Lance. I think at the end of the
year you let him play the rest of the season.
Between the injuries and what I'm watching off the first

(24:49):
scripted drive, it just doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
You can't fool me, like you said with the comedian analogy,
like it's not even you just got to watch them
and as the game goes, he can make a good play,
and then he makes two horrendous plays and the interceptions
of just throwing yolo balls. The Ravens are healthy now
relative you know, beside the guys on an injury reserve.
So who are as two interceptions to Stark's first rounder

(25:13):
from Georgia. And Marlon Humphrey is one of the more
versatile dbs in the league. So it's like you're playing
those type guys. This is real. This is no longer
You're not getting Rutgers here on a Saturday at one o'clock.
This is Marlon Humphrey, mckaye Starks, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson.
They're fighting for their lives. Right, He's a team over
the last couple of years who has been They would say,
we just haven't figured out in the playoffs, but we

(25:34):
have been the chiefs equal, you know, one through seventeen
throughout the season, right, but we just we are better
than you. And there's no way this essentially a rookie quarterback.
And as the game went on. That's the one thing
with football, right, anyone that gambles knows this. You can't
get too excited after a quarter Let the game play out.
The cream usually rises, you know, the more pressure comes

(25:55):
on a quarterback. They keep bringing different looks and I
think the vice kings, listen, we all make decisions. Some
of them don't work. That's a pretty that's a decision
that's gonna be hard to live with for a while.
The Sam Darnold situation, because one thing, if like, hey,
the Seattle gave him two hundred million dollars, it would
have ruined a role. They gave him fifty five million
dollars guaranteed. And like you said, he's been one of,

(26:16):
if not the best, quart Like he's playing at a
level that's no different than good Mahomes, good Allen, like
he's an elite player. It's and now you got this
guy because you drafted him really high. Who's You're not
gonna make the playoffs this year? I mean, they got
a game I think this upcoming week, or maybe they're
on a I'm pretty sure they played this upcoming week
against the Bears. I mean that's you know, now the

(26:36):
Bears are gonna have a lot to play for because
early that's Week one kind of embarrassed them. They got
some momentum coming in. JJ's kind of out of point.
You've been talking about this. You kind of get till
Thanksgiving your second year. Now, I think they would say
he didn't get his first year, but like you think
they're just gonna roll it out again year three. That's
that's just not the way the league works. It's a
pet peeve of mine when people say, like no one

(26:58):
has any patience anymore. Well, yeah, the league in like
nineteen eighty seven, the teams were worth like one hundred
million dollars. They're now worth seven billion dollars. They're paying
people one hundred and fifty million dollars. Well, yes, patients
is shorter, welcome to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, the other thing John is, you shouldn't have as
much patience because these quarterbacks come in with ten thousand throws.
They have private coaches, the seven on seven camps. This
is not the Eli Manning era. This is the Arch
Manning era where you're making six million dollars in college
private coaching. Sometimes you fly private jet. You can get
places faster. So I've always said Thanksgiving, second year, I'm

(27:34):
going to my GM in the room and talent. It
used to be I want three full seasons. I'll give
you three full seasons unless you're just absolutely out of
your mind overmatched. So I don't have a problem with
And you also say, well he hasn't been healthy. That's
kind of a you problem. Like I had nothing against
brock Purty, but you know who was always healthy mostly

(27:55):
was Brady and Big Ben and Brett Favre. And those
guys are healthy because they're durable. You know, Caleb Williams
doesn't get hurt. He's big and strong. That's one of
the reasons, John, that traits matter, size matters, thickness matters.
I remember when Matt Ryan came out. I'm like, I
like everything about him. He looks like a four iron,

(28:17):
Like he just Now, Matt was one of those get
goff by the way, never gets hurt, has a thin frame. Dude.
It cal was raggalled three years. Never gets hurt. I'm
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Coward Podcast. Okay, New England twenty eight Tampa twenty three,

(28:42):
Tampa on a bye took a seven tozh in lead,
and that was about the only time you thought they
were the better team. So, I mean, it's really interesting.
I've been waiting for New England Trayvon Henderson to play more.
I loved him aout Ohio State today. A couple of
big runs. They have running back injuries and Mike Rabel

(29:04):
wants I think Rabel's a little bit like Belichick in
which is just because you're a great rookie or top pick,
you have to earn your way, You have to earn time,
and if you don't block, if you don't pass block
particularly well. A lot of these NFL coaches, John, they
don't care where you're drafted. As a running back, like,
they won't play until you can block late Corum. Last
year they won't play it. So Travon Henderson, who I
thought was a pretty good blocker out of Ohio State,

(29:25):
he got some carries today. Holy shit, boy, he is
he is? He pops. The other thing that I watched
with New England Williams, the young receiver, the complete burner.
Remember remember him, Washington State?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yep, he.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Was a blur on TV. But you know what I
noticed in this game. This just may be me, but
it was almost like Drake May was in Baker's head.
Like Baker has a lot of confidence, and Drake May
is just making plays and he's making big throws. And
they take a lea and it's in Tampa and it's
Baker's house, and Baker was like running more than he

(30:04):
should run. He was he was. Baker was doing a
little too much to me, running around in the pocket
looking for the big play downfield. Now, Tampa's a big playoffense.
But you I mean, watching that game, watching Drake May,
I kept asking myself, is New England the best team

(30:24):
in the AFC? Certainly?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, I mean when they're in first place in their division,
you know, with the Bills, who last week we thought
could win the Super Bowl, and it turns out they
just play up for Kansas City and then down to
whoever else they're play. I mean, they got curb stomped
today today. It was a big swing in that in
that division. And like you said, I think the knock
that people had on New England was they're just not
gonna have enough speed and skill guys on offense. I

(30:48):
did the same thing and I just looked up when
you were talking. Kyle Williams ran a four to four
to zero with the combine. You know, Henderson ran a
four to four to three. It feels like when he's
in the open field he plays faster. So you got
two young players who what I think Henderson had a
fifty five yard run today and a seventy yard runing
Kyle Williams, and he is.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
A big, fast athlete.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I do think Tampa has been a little house of
cards right They have a bunch of injuries right now.
They're just not quite the same thing, same team. Mike
Evans is there's an element to him of like the
heartbeat of their offense. When he's in there, he just
gives them a safety net He's almost like what George
Kittle is the forty nine ers. Now he's gone. I
mean they're depending on young wide receivers. I just think

(31:33):
Baker feels like I have to carry us. It almost
feels like a throwback to a couple of years ago,
and he's kind of had to do that all season, right,
I mean they started when they start four and oh,
it's all the comeback touchdown drives. I thought the bigger
if they could get Henderson going with Kyle Williams. What
a stud Mike Vrable is. I mean, this guy's got
a harbought touch, comes in there immediately. I understand their

(31:55):
schedule has been easy, but when you watch him play,
it's not like they're just easing into these victories like
that was. We're in control. We have some young, explosive players,
and we have turned this quarterback immediately into an MVP candidate.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, it felt like the Buffalo game. You're like, oh,
New England's better than Buffalo. Like New England after Baker
hit Mecha Abuka, you're like, oh, seven to nothing in Tampa.
From that point on, New England was the better football team.
Control the game.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I've known Sean for a long time, and I like him,
and I know a lot of people I think yourself
included just over the time, like is this guy good
enough for Josh Allen? Today was a moment where you're like,
is this guy better than Mike Vrabel? Moving forward? And
is in this safe situation where is Sean McDermott if
they are a one and done team and all of
a sudden Mike Vrabel's in the second round or somehow

(32:41):
is in the third round playing the Chiefs or something.
Is this going to end the Bills coaches tenuere because
of Mike Vrabel? He might be that powerful?

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Well, I think about it, like Kyle Williams. They haven't
played him. I mean that's been one of the things everybody,
myself included. Kyle Williams is your fastest, most dynamic receiver.
He got a ball down the sideline today. It looked
like a track meet. It looked like the combine run.
You're like, holy sh he was good and then gone.
So the thing is, you're a Patriot fan, is Williams

(33:11):
and Trevon Henderson they're just now playing regularly. So it's
like you know and and Rabel. You know Kyle Williams
may not want to block. He's kind of a thin guy.
He may not be a blocker. One of the reads.
You hear this all the time, like tight ends have
to block. Receivers don't, especially the fast ones and running backs,
the gifted ones. So you know, I bet you that

(33:34):
some of this with Rabel is listen, you're we're not
putting you back there by Drake May If you aren't picking,
you know, you're not stopping people in the a gap,
Like we're just stop putting on the field because his
talents so remarkable. He just pops when you give him
the ball. And I just watched them today. I'm like, oh,
wait a minute, we haven't seen the best of New
England because these two players change the offense.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think defensive coaches tend to be like, uh, you
know parents from the fifty sixties, you know, kind of
driving a hard line, right, you know, most offensive coaches
if this guy, if those two guys had been around
Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVeigh, Kyle shanahan, more than likely some
of their deficiencies might have still got them some packages.

(34:17):
Defensive guys do not care they have and it's it's
always the tug and pull between offensive and defensive guys
when they're on the same staff. You know, when one
guy's a head coach, I think offensive coaches and you've
known some over the years, I'm sure that have complained
about their defensive head coach vice versa. I think the
defensive head coach sometimes wants them to be a little
more conservative. There's always kind of a little tuggle war there.

(34:38):
But I think when you have guys, you know what
Mike Vrabel does, You know, he does feel a little
like he's got the old school hard ass and BELICHICKI
into him, but he also feels kind of like new
and relevant. The way the guys like him, the way
he's hugging up guys, He's kind of got this perfect blend.
He just feels pretty damn good. And this team was

(34:59):
so bad, not just last year with girod Mail, for
the last couple of years of Belichick. I mean, this
team wasn't like a one year train wreck. It felt
like they had about what like thirty six months of
being like the butt of the league, Like from a
joke standpoint, So what he has done from a culture standpoint,
let alone on the field. I mean Drake May went
from like, hey, he's got some talent. Holy shit, this guy.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
A pro bowler hit by the way, and today Drake
wasn't seventy five percent completion. Todd Bowles is one of
the smartest defensive guys in the league. He and Brian
Flories dial up some of the nastiest plitzes. And Tampa
was on a buy. That was a hard spot for
Drake May. That was a that's I took Tampa today.
It's the one game I lost. I thought on off

(35:43):
of buy. Second year quarterback Todd Bowles Vida Villa, you
won't be able to run. I'm like, oh, it's gonna
be a problem. This is a rough spot. And Drake
didn't play his best game. I think he had a
pick at one point and wrote it and wrote it
down and not a great pick. But it's like, listen, hardball,
Sean Peyton, Mike Frable, just pay eighteen million bucks and

(36:03):
get the right coach, don't don't Brian Schottenheimer and he
just just go you know when these everybody wants to
go with coordinators. And don't get me wrong, Ben Johnson
or Shane Steike and were so respected throughout the league
and had done so well as coordinate. I mean we
used to on a regular basis every week talk about
Ben Johnson when he was with the Lions. We're like,
who is this guy? This offense is crazy. Shane Steiken

(36:25):
first year had Herbert out of college. I mean, Tom
tellsko is like at maybe the smartest offensive coach I've
ever been around. So there are some coordinators that come in.
I mean, we know what Stikeen did with Philadelphia. We
took over to play calling and Philadelphia went from meh
to super Bowl. But by and large, you know, there's
only a few guarantees in the league, and one of

(36:46):
them is you go get these successful coaches. I've said
this with Mike McCarthy, and I don't think he's nearly
as good as Peyton, Harball or Vrabel. Mike McCarthy would
clean the Jets up. They wouldn't be great, but he'd
clean them up.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
They look like I'd say giants too, if they're gonna
fire a table.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, I mean McCarthy's a pro. He may be a
number two starter. You know, he's not Yoshi, but he's
gonna you know, he's gonna give you a seven inning.
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sixteen nothing Dolphins at half. An interesting number is Josh
Allen had three point five to three seconds to throw.

(37:42):
That's his highest since twenty eighteen. Nobody's open, so they
didn't make a big move at the trade deadline, and
I think everybody thought they should probably add a piece
because Kansas City's defense. But they had ninety yards at half.
They didn't have a they didn't pick up a first
down on third in the first half. And this is

(38:04):
a Miami team we thought quit three weeks ago. We
always talk about quarterbacks. You get until the second year,
Thanksgiving second year. I think we've just got to be
brutally honest with Sean McDermott here. It's not just Kansas City.
There's just too many games where you're just like, I mean,

(38:26):
Buffalo should never look like that ever, they should never
look like that.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I understand in college when you have a two top
ten teams play each other, and then the following week
you're playing a two win team and you're tied at halftime.
Like these nineteen year old guys. This is a team
that's now for the last five years, been one of
the top what two or three teams in the entire league.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
And they've got older players here. Man, They've got a
lot of twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine year olds.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
The coach has been there, I think since twenty seventeen.
Josh has now been the starter for a long time.
It's not just on Sean, it's also you know the quarterback,
you know, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. They take a lot
of that responsibility as well. So today was embarrassing. I
mean it truly was. It was. It should have been
fourteen nothing. I think the kicker missed an extra point.
It was fourteen nothing or thirteen nothing for you even

(39:14):
blinked two, had a couple. He threw a beautiful touchdown
pass to Jalen Waddle, Yes, and it was like, okay,
fourteen nothing or thirteen nothing. Bill starts slow. I've seen
them happen and then ended up winning thirty five to
twenty or something. And they never got out of the
malaise and it started raining. It was probably humid, and
they just looked lifeless. Josh threw one of the worst

(39:35):
interceptions I've ever seen him throw. I don't know if
he's on the wrong page with the wider. You just
threw it right to the to the wide receipts or
to the cornerback. They had an awful fumble early in
the game when they were driving. They just looked lost.
And that's the type game when your main rival, now
who's back is winning and now has a lead, kind
of a commanding lead because they already beat you, and

(39:56):
their scheduled so easy, so they're not going away, and
you just look big picture, this is going to be
the worst team of the Verbel Era for the next
couple of years when you factor in how young it is. Right,
you just listened to a couple guys that just started
playing their left tackle. It's his rookie year. Their quarterback
is a second year. This is the first year of
the coaching staffs together. So like their aros pointing up,

(40:16):
and I think it kind of reflects that the Bills
can really get up for the Chiefs, and for whatever reason,
I remember hearing like Houston Rockets, maybe because Kenny Smith say,
you know, the sad part is right when we got
good Jordan retired, they could never stop a keeam and
we always played the Bulls well, and if we ever
saw them, we would have stopped that streak because they
would have had no shot because they had no center.

(40:37):
We were a team that we played them really well.
And some in basketball it happens a lot, right your
matchup football kind of happens sometimes, but if you're good
enough whatever. For whatever reason, the Bills match up because
their pass rush is good. They treat that game in
the regular season like the super Bowl. They just look
like the best team in the league when they play
the Chiefs. Yep, before and after then they look much
more pedestrian. Today though was I don't know. I mean,

(41:01):
I felt like it was one of the more embarrassing
performances of the Allen Sean McDermott little air.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Or I think it may be the most. I thought
maybe they lost a few years ago at home on
the opener to the Steelers and they were a favorite,
and I was like what in the hell is that.
I thought that game against the Saints this year it
was competitive. I was like, what would bother me today?
Is that Miami in the first half averaged six and
a half yards of play. So in my take is

(41:30):
it would be one thing if the offense sputtered your
defensive coach, John, I've been on this forever. What do
you do with your side of the ball? That wasn't
just Josh Allen like that defense had no energy? That defense,
I mean it just they generated this incredible pass rush
against Kansas City and really, I mean two is one
of the easiest guys to rush in the league, and

(41:54):
he had time to throw. They ran the ball?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Is in New England? Are you taking New England? As
we said here today? Do you think New England?

Speaker 1 (42:04):
New England's got the better coach? I think New England
and now with Williams and Trayvon Henderson, it's like, oh,
I feel like New England now is on the up,
like they're an AS sending team. I don't think Buffalo is.
I mean we forget before that Kansas City game, I
mean we'd seen them Buffalo go to Atlanta and get worked.

(42:24):
I mean they've had that Saints game they want at home.
Was troubling, Like they've had a lot of Somebody told
me this in the league at the beginning of the year.
They said, Buffalo doesn't have nearly the roster people give
it credit for. They're like James Cook, Josh Allen Oliver,
the defensive lineman, who's hurt, Like, who's hurt? They're like,

(42:47):
you know, Dawkins the left tackle. I was talking to
an execut in the league and he's like, you know,
he goes the better rosters or the Rams and the
Eagles and the Lions and the Packers and Kansas Cities
like Raven. He's like, Buffalo's roster is not that good.
Josh left tackle, quarterback, running back, interior d lineman. That's
why they went and got Bosa. I mean, they've drafted

(43:09):
a lot, a lot of draft capital on their defense.
That's why they went and got Bosa, who played well
against you know, Kansas City, But okay, Seattle forty four,
Arizona twenty two. It was thirty five nothing, So you know,
it's just impossible to keep that up. And Darnold had
a couple of just like funny, like bizarre turnovers. That

(43:29):
ball bounces off a tight end's helmet. You know I'm
gonna throw this to you. I got Pete Carroll and
John Snyder. You know this battled. They battled, and there
was a little tug of war on Pete's kid and
John Snyder. And I'm not going to go into too

(43:51):
many details, but Pete and John John almost left for Detroit,
remember that years ago because he wanted his final say Well,
since Pete's been out of the building, John Snyder's two
drafts have been a plus, a plus he is now
doing and I think John, Jason Light, Howie Roseman, how
he's a deal maker. I'm not sure there's many guys

(44:13):
better than John Snyder. A just personnel, college personnel drafting it.
There's not a lot of guys better. Again, I think
Jason Light and Tampa's are really good. That's Seattle roster.
I wrote this down young, fast, physical. You can turn
the sound down. John against Washington and against Arizona. It
looks like a college mismatch. They are so fast, they

(44:37):
are so physical. Donald's in total control of the offense.
Play action, run game, deep game. I don't see the whole.
I really don't see the whole With this team. They
drafted that safety. That kid's a banger of the South
Carolina safety. I don't see the weakness with the team.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I think the point of difference they have that obviously
play the Rams this upcoming week, which is an incredible game,
is their dbs are good and the Rams aren't. I
think that's the difference because the offenses are both elite,
pass rushes are awesome. Coaching staff's high end. If you
and me were the NFL, like in college, how they
have the College Football Committee and he rank them one
through twelve. I would rank Seattle after this week number one.

(45:22):
They would be my number one team, and you just
if you just watch them without the sound on. Obviously today,
but over the last couple of weeks, the team speed
in which they had. I think the Lob team with
Pete was probably the most physical team I've ever seen live.
I do think the fastest team I've ever seen live

(45:42):
is the Peyton Manning Denver Broncos. Their defense, every single
guy could run fast defensive lot. It was DeMarcus Ware,
von Miller, Wolf, Malik Jackson, Trevathan They had a key
to leap, but their speed and physicality was just I've
never seen anything, and I've saw them live a bunch
of times. This team has some similarities to those two teams. Yeah,
who are kind of taking the league by storm. Every guy,

(46:05):
I mean, like you said em and Worry he's like six.
He is their potential Kyle Hamilton. But they already had
some good dbs, right they drafted the kid Witherspoon from Illinois.
They already had woolin. Obviously, their their linebacker play is fast.
Once they got Ernest Jones, they're they're head coach. I mean,
we talk so much, and rightfully so about these offensive coaches.
He's got a chance to be pretty special. His demeanor,

(46:28):
he has a very modern demeanor, you know, like when
you watch Rabel. Rabel is not the throwback of like
what I grew up on, guys screaming. He doesn't he's
not is maybe he's a players coach. Yeah, when the
doors are shut, I think he's on him in the meetings.
But on the sideline, he's very common collected. I would say,
Mike McDonald. It almost feels like is he on a

(46:50):
couple of zanies or something like it show? But he
he there's no he because he knows like he is
he is very common. His team reflects that, and I
would say this, they are personnel of trading Gino and
signing Sam. Has got a chance to be an all timer.
I mean, that's got a chance to be because they
didn't give Sam. I mean he's gonna end up probably.
I mean, he's not going anywhere for a while. They

(47:12):
gave him one hundred million dollars over three years. I
mean it's relative to the other contracts we've seen Colin around.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, it's five million guaranteed, so the salary, the cap
hit is just nothing.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
JSN looks like Jerry Rice. I knew the guy was good,
but this year he is. It's like Pooka by the way,
right when, but now this guy was. We knew more
about JSN than Puka because he Ohio State and first
round pick, but you knew after a couple of weeks.
Puka was a rookie, Like is this real? And then
it just never stopped, you know, jas N like is
he really this good? And every single week it's like
he's unstoppable.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
And JSN was like a five star recruit. First round
I think it was a first round.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Receive hit twenty.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I think, yeah, the only question was is he a one?
Everybody knew it was really good. Now you're like, yeah,
he's just contest catches speed. Then they go get Rashid's
heat from New Orleans and you know that he now
has the offensive coordinator that he had in New Orleans.
Now he's in Seattle again. This is a big play offense.

(48:12):
What I like about Seattle they can grind you down.
If they have a lead, they can run the football
up they have a lead. They are a big play offense.
They can play from behind. You know, I'm just I'm
writing this down throughout the course of the game. Jsan
first receiver to a thousand, It's not that weird with Seattle,
where they average six and a half to seven yards

(48:33):
of play like it happens regularly, and there is something
to be said of trusting your eyes. I think this
is now even more than Mike McDonald. I think it's
John Snyder's organization. And I've texted Snyder a couple of times.
He travels. I mean, he's at every weekend. He is

(48:56):
a you got to go to these games, Like they
always say, to sell a company, you have to take
a thousand meetings. John Snyder's on a plane every weekend.
He doesn't scout off the TV or film. He wants
to go to the games. And I mean, they're just
an when I watch them play. I'm like, when you're
a big playoffense and your quarterback has mobility, so you

(49:18):
can go down the field, the quarterback, you can move
the pocket, you can grind people with a lead. You know,
it's like Detroit if Goff had mobility, and that's the
whole like GoF doesn't, but Detroit's a big playoffense and
can grind you down. Just think of Detroit's offense and
then if Jared Goff could move, you'd be like, shit,
what do you do? But we've seen Detroit do that

(49:40):
for three years. I think Seattle like, if you don't
pay attention like we do, obviously, people that do this
for a living shit, man, they're embarrassing teams these How
often do you get a thirty five nothing lead in
the first half of a pro football game?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
And Arizona had been playing well, even their record's not
that great, they have been in every single game they
played this year. A week ago, they easily could be
you know, coming into this game, they could have been
six and three. I would say. The thing with John Schneider,
when you think about we talk about offensive coaches, You're like,
if JJ can't play for Kevin O'Connell, that's a JJ issue,
not a Kevin issue. Right. If you can't play for

(50:17):
Kyle Shanahan, that's a you issue because and and that
skill is why those guys are going to be paid
at the top of the market until they retire from
the NFL. John Schneider start, he was the guy that
pounded the table for peak against Pete Carroll for Russell
Wilson and ultimately got him to relent and draft him. Obviously,
that changed the course of their franchise when they pivoted
off Russell. And remember John wanted to do it earlier,

(50:39):
try to trade him to the Cleveland Browns so he
could draft Josh Allen. That's what he was gonna take.
Then he trades for Gino or he gets Gino as
the backup, and they were cool with like, I think
we can handle this for a little bit, and he
was right. Gino was actually and they got Drew Locke.
Remember they won a Monday night football game against the
Eagles with Drew Locke, who is the worst of this
whole group, and then he pivots to Sam Darnold. Like

(50:59):
I would say as a quarterback evaluator, John schnyders as
good as it gets from a GM perspective, and if
that's gonna be the guy that you're gonna invest most
of your money into as a franchise, his skill, let
alone his ability to build the team. It's I mean,
this is now like how many different iterations of the team,
the lob team. Remember then they transitioned in the late

(51:19):
twenty tens. They were still good. You know, they weren't.
They weren't going to Super Bowls, but they were never
They didn't have four win seasons. They were winning nine
to eleven games. And now, I mean, what do they
look like to you? A fourteen win team? Who's there
if DeVante Adams who kind of hurt his back at
the end of the game, we have to monitor that
throughout the week. I like, see, I think that's gonna
be a tough way tough ita.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I do too, I would take it. I think the
advantage of Darnold's mobility. I really think in these close games,
your ability to roll the pocket and make plays, I
think it matters because both those defensive fronts, especially the
Rams get a pass rush, I'll take the mobile quarterback.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
One more thing. You know in the NFL, not all
these teams have huge home field advantage. Just one of
the advantages not having to get on a plane so
it's easier on guy's body. Seattle, Arrowhead, Buffalo, there's a
short list. So if they can get the number one
seed or home field, it's a big advantage. In Philly,
that place is hard to play in. If Seattle can
get home playoff games, maybe because remember everyone beat up

(52:19):
Sam and he didn't play well those last two games,
but they were both on the road in Detroit, which
is obviously a hard place to play.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
And then it was the biggest game. That was the
biggest Lions game at home in probably twenty years.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I would say, I'm forty years old. In my lifetime,
it didn't get any bigger, and he played bad. And
then remember the playoff game because they lose, they're supposed
to come to The Rams have to play in Arizona
because of the fires. If they get home playoff games,
I'm gonna like Sam Darnold's chances more because i think
people are like, what's he gonna do? In the playoffs, Like,
I don't know. I think he'll be okay this time.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
If they're gonna puk like this, well, it's a long flight.
It's right on the Puget Sound and that I grew
up there. It's a wet, c old rain, it's windy,
it's on the sound. It's tough, and Darnald, by the way,
has got a big arm and they run the ball.
Donald's ball is gonna split through the cold weather. Like
if you come up there, you better be ready to

(53:11):
throw it because that ball it's windy and wet in
the Pacific Northwest. I want to talk about this game.
It was the first game today in overtime. Colts come
back thirty one to twenty four over the Falcons. Two
things jumped out to me. One will get to later.
Pannicks off target throws. There must have been eight to ten,
like really off off target. I will say this though

(53:35):
the Coltstol line was not good. God Atlanta had seven sacks.
So Daniel Jones, but he looked like the old Daniel Jones,
like the fumble issues reverted and he just even when
he got bumped out of bounce on he has a
major fumble issue. But between you got to give Chris
Ballard credit because they were missing some people today. Jonathan

(53:57):
Taylor right now is probably the best back in the league.
Warren is a pro bowler at tight end. He made
a huge, huge catch late in the fourth quarter. I
almost thought they won despite Daniel Jones today. I really
I felt that.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I totally agree. I thought I'm watching the game at
the gym the second half because early I it was
easier to get up because it starts a seven thirty
when the clocks moved back from me and Indy came
out and just rolling and I was like, Ah, they're
gonna They're gonna blow him out. And then they started
blitzing Daniel Jones. He started. I mean, he had some
bad He had an awful fumble where he just gets
He had kind of looked.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Like the horrible He had three sacks in this game
where he looked like a rookie. It's like Daniel get
rid of the ball.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It felt like they played like nineteen ninety six football
are running back and our tight end is gonna carry us.
We're not gonna throw these bombs d Alex Pierce. We
don't have any time to protect and Jonathan Taylor I
thought today officially like threw his hat in the ring
like he's an MVP candidate. If this team's gonna win
thirteen or fourteen games, like you're gonna run for two
thousand eat single handedly carry him and Warren. I mean

(55:01):
those two, combination of those two guys, I thought might
have ended. If you tell me we wake up in
the morning run he Morris has been fired. It was
because of those two guys today in Germany. So I'm
with you. It's that the Warren pick God, he is
his ball skills for a guy that big. I mean,
Danie Jones clows it up in his vicinity. Who can
cover him? There's dbs and linebackers aren't six foot five.

(55:24):
You can't get up that the one you're talking about,
he is so with his arms, yeah, he's probably I mean,
how high do you think that ball is at seven
feet in the air? When he talked about his arms
extended and the Jonathan Taylor runs, what are you supposed
to do? I mean, he's he's a dominant force. But
that's a that's a big win because it felt like
they were falling apart and then Atlanta, you know, takes

(55:45):
and then you're like, God, they just traded a first
round pick and saus getting cooked. He dropped a pick.
You're like, this is not going well. I thought they're
going to lose this game and the headline is going
to be you just traded two first round picks for
a guy that everyone says can't catch out. A ball
just go right through his body and then basically a
two point conversion. He's falling on the ground. You know,
it's like this guy, if you can't cover to Daniel.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Daniel Jones does deserve credit. He had that last drive
he had. He it was pretty good late in the
fourth quarter. That throw to Warren was a big time throwing,
a big time catch. So Daniel and maybe at a
hand sized thing. Daniel had a fumble problem in New
York and it reared its head again today. So he's
had a In fact, let me look this up. His
turnovers the last two weeks have been absolutely atrocious.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Hold, I think he's gonna be He's gonna be a
guy in the first round. You know, let's say they're
the two seed, they're gonna depending on who they're playing
in some of these playoff matches. I think a lot
of people are gonna bet against and the the headline
is going to be I do not trust Daniel Jones
in this playoff game.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Seven giveaways in his last two games. So it's it's
it's it's a natural regression. Though I don't want to
overreact because he was virtually perfect and now all of
a sudden, the Colts O line probably I didn't check
their oline health, but probably missing a starter got worked
a little today. Atlanta created great pressure. I mean the

(57:07):
Colts OL line struggled.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
In Atlanta's defense in defense of them is actually not bad,
and their pressure this year has been pretty good. They
drafted a couple of guys in the first round. They
have been feisty upfront. Honestly, the offense you had mentioned Penix,
he has not looked good. You know, bo Nick has
taken a lot of shit, and I'd say Penix looks
as every bit as bad as him. His team's not
as good, but he is skipping ball. And I'm a

(57:30):
Penix guy.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Or was so much.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I probably have to be out that it's just not
gonna work because a lot of people I know in
the league Colin were not Penix people.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Well, no, I and It's funny because I listen, third
game this season for penis under one hundred and eighty
passing yards, third game in a row under sixty percent completion.
Remember he's twenty five years old, so he should be.
He's had a lot of snaps. Between Indiana and Washington,
he's had a lot of snaps. I mean it feels

(58:00):
like to me, he also had you know, he had
forty five starts in college. I thought he was more
naturally accurate, Like I just thought he was one of
those guys like C. J. Stroud. He justin Herbert. He
just throws strikes. You know, he's just a pitcher that
throws strikes and he misses a lot. And I mean

(58:21):
John wild left, he must have skipped four balls today.
So it's not because he doesn't have the weapons. I mean,
he's got two really good receivers. He got a star back.
I think their offensive line is okay. He gets decent protection. Again,
it's eye test. I don't love what I see now. Again,
he did not play last year, so I do feel

(58:43):
like some is he hurrying stuff? And I do think
he's he feels like he's hurrying stuff. But you you know,
it's there's some wild pitches here pretty regularly.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Well, remember he didn't get what he what was he
sack like six times his senior year at Washington the
year that they went to the National Championship. Remember he
didn't get His offensive line won the whatever the moral
award is. And you get hit a lot more in
the NFL, and I feel like once he gets hit,
it kind of throws him off. But twelve of twenty
eight in an NFL game against the defense, he wasn't
playing the Denver Broncos to day. One thing about Indianapolis,

(59:15):
I wouldn't exactly call them the eighty five Bears on defense.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Well, they like you say, they had Sauce Gardner, but
there's a reason they went and got him. Like their
defensive secondary John was all beat up. They were missing
two starters.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So I think the Pennix thing, ultimately, what is gonna
get Rahee Morris and everyone in Atlanta fired, And it
would get most people fired when you lose in the
NFL because you've whiffed on the quarterback. They paid Kirk
Cousins ninety million dollars for two years. Yep, you know
that he has an under five hundred record and I
think his tops down to interception ratio is essentially one
to one, and got benched year one and they're paying

(59:49):
almost thirty million dollars to be the backup. Mac Jones
is making I think three million dollars this year. Kirk
Cousins is making twenty seven point five. Cousin started one
game and they got destroyed. That's a problem. And then
the reason you you paid him, and then a month
later you draft this guy. You like, we love this guy,
and you're watching these other court even JJ McCarthy, who
I don't really like. I see more like his physical attributes.

(01:00:11):
I'm watching Penis. I'm like, where is this arm? He
had Ryan Grubb. Listen, Ryan Grubb and Seattle in the pros.
He's never coached in the pros. It did not go well.
I watched Ryan Grubb in college. I mean he had
Ty Simpson LA yesterday slinging that thing against LSU. I go,
Ryan Grubb's a big time coach, and I watch him
with Zach Robinson coaching. Sometimes in the NFL, you're gonna
get some not every guy is Bill Walsh and you

(01:00:32):
Pennix feels like they got no clue what's going on?
He's playing bad, feels like he's lost his confidence, and
like you said, he's not an upside guy. He was.
This was my issue with them signing cousins. If you
love Pennix at the Combine or whatever, he is a
ready made plug and play player. He's not. Let's let's
uh Aaron Rodgers had to fix the ball placement. Pennix
was just he he plays like he's played probably since

(01:00:54):
junior high. He just the problem is it's not translated.
I knew so many scouts that because I'm just again,
I'm a West Coast guy, root for him. They were
a fun team to watch. This guy's really grown them.
I think he's going to be a good NFL player.
Most people that went through there obviously the injuries, but
they said when you watch them live, when you go
to practice his physical attributes. You know, he threw a

(01:01:16):
beautiful deep ball in college, and they threw a lot
of bombs because they had obviously great wide receiver talent. Polk, Yeah, yeah,
you know, Rome and McMillan the plays for I mean,
they had three NFL wide receivers and Rome. When it's
not freezing cold, it's pretty damn good. And you watch
him in the pros. Like you said, Mooney Pits is
actually pretty good now. Obviously Drake London is a high

(01:01:39):
end one. Bijon can catch the ball twelve completions against
the Colts. It's just that's that's bad. Today I thought
was like, this is this thing is needs to.

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speaking of panics, I want to pivot to this Kalin
de bor So I had said when he took over
for Nick saving because I think Ohio State's the best

(01:02:55):
team in the country. I think Bama's second, Indiana's third.
I don't buy an M, and M's beating a lot
of teams that have fired their coaches, like Arkansas, Florida, Auburn,
like they they're kind of they're kind of facing a
lot of these wobbly teams. So I think Ohio State's
the best team, Bama second. So Kaitlin de borg goes
sixty seven and three at Sioux Falls, Okay, twenty five

(01:03:18):
and three at Washington Fresno State briefly. Then he goes
seventeen and five at Bama so far, and one of
his losses was to Ohio State in a playoff. Nobody
was beating them, go Aast Tennessee and he lost the
game at Oklahoma night game. They played like shit, got
into a big hole. Whatever. But Bama does not have
a lot of nil money. And even though he replaced Saban,

(01:03:41):
he did have to change the culture. And you know this, John.
You can replace a good coach, it doesn't matter. You're
still bringing in what you may run a different, completely
different offense. The head coach probably took his defensive coordinator
or offensive coordinator. You have to build a staff. Doesn't
matter if you're replacing Saban. It's hard. You know guys
are leaving, you're bringing new people. You don't know. You
don't you don't know half your roster. You haven't watched film.

(01:04:04):
When you get that job on your roster, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
What you have.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I like ty Simpson six two, two ten, not a
big physical presence, not super mobile, good arm, not special.
He may get drafted number one, two or three, and
I think ty Simpson's okay. I don't see the wow trade.
But he was a good high school player. I mean
he didn't do it. First three years at Alabama. He
was twenty nine or fifty five, no touchdowns. He didn't

(01:04:31):
blow people away. I think, and you look at Bama's schedule,
I think maybe the Pennox thing is his coach is
a freaking rock star. I think a lot of it
is not just grub. I think it's Kaylin de Boor
because I watched Ty Simpson and everybody's in love with him,
and I'm like, oh, oh, I don't get what's well,
I don't get the great thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I think they're a powerful duo because last year something
was off with Bama. In fairness, they had a quarter
back that I would say, Jalen Milroe doesn't exactly scream
Kaylen de Boor, you know, and you know, so he
gets a real much more of a pocket passer. Even
last night that DC for LSU is actually pretty good.
Blake Baker, he's been awesome for them. As they start

(01:05:15):
hitting Ty Simpson, you look like he's not handling this
very well. He's getting crushed. Right. Ryan Grubb is When
him and Kaylen de bor are together, they are borderline unstoppable.
I mean, Who's I would say, the only guy that's
beat him in recent memory is like, you know, Florida State,
think give him a little bit of a pass started.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
They went to Georgia and beat Kirby and Athens.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
For sure, if they played Florida State, post him. If
they played Florida State today, they beat him by fifty.
So it's like that was one of those that's probably
the most you know that game, looking back in five years,
how the hell did that happen? But I do think
that Kaylen, when he's had Ryan Ryan Grubb with him,
that offense isn't unstoppable because last year I think they're
their quarterback coach who kind of went back down, who's

(01:05:59):
also been with the career. You know, it's just sometimes
it's difficult. This guy has been calling plays, but Klin
last night, what he's done with Tys Simpson. I mean,
Ryan Williams was supposed to be like they're justin Jefferson.
He's not even their best wide receiver. They got multiple
other guys. I think one concerning part, I like text
A and M more than you. I think if text

(01:06:19):
A and M played Indiana on a mutual on like a,
you know, like the equivalent, what's gonna happen in the playoffs.
I would like their chances in that. But we're gonna
learn a lot more about them. They play Texas coming up,
they're gonna be in the SEC Championship game against a
Bama against the Georgia. We'll really learn how good they are.
I think they're pretty good. But I think Alabama's offensive
pass the game with those two guys. I mean LSU
that was their last Hail Mary of a respectable game.

(01:06:42):
That's a rivalry game, McElroy said on the broadcast. He said,
this is by far the most physical game you play
at Alabama. This game means so much. Auburns the rival
but LSU's are equal in terms of we recruit the
same guys now in the transfer portal, I'm sure they're
looking at the same guys to recruit, but I think
Kaylin do bore I questioned moving around right, the personnel

(01:07:04):
or the personality West Coast Dakota guy in the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
South, how was my question? Midwest guy going to the South.
I know, Jim McElwain. You go to the South, it's
just different. It's relentless, it's kind of it's not realistic.
And you're replaces like replacing Howard Stern in FM radio.
You're replacing Saban and people just don't understand that you've
got to redo the staff and Bama can't now afford.
Bama is struggling to keep up with Nil. When you

(01:07:30):
watch Bama today, I think A and M's got a
good athletes or better. I think Texas has as many
good athletes, but when Saban was there pre andil you
watch Bama and Georgia was the only school that matched
up that even look the part. There's six or seven
teams in college that look like Bama now have the
same level of Ohio State's got better players than Alabama.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Do you know what they respect? On the SEC? Do
you win? I do you win? And now he's winning
and no one cares. So if you win, whether you're
from the Dakota, whether you're from Fresno, or whether you're
from Egypt, they don't give a shit. Now, I also
think they the Sabin personality is kind of what he
was winning and he had just this. He was a

(01:08:12):
tornado of alpha. I mean for a guy that's five
foot eleven, it's not like Sabin is built like Mike Vrabel,
but everyone quivers when he walks in the room. That's
not really Debor's thing. I knew people that played for
him at Fresno State. They're like, you know, he's much
more like intellectually quiet. They're like Jeff Tedford is much
more of a hard ass screaming at you. That's not
really Debor's demeanor. So it's clearly and maybe that demeanor

(01:08:36):
of Saban. It doesn't work as much unless you know
he was unique because he had a resume. Him and
urban Meyer, like those days are kind of over Dan Lanning,
players coach Lane Kiffin kind of players coach. You know,
Signetti's kind of a throwback. But I would imagine players
love playing for him. So yeah, it's what he's done
at Alabama. That's pretty been. It's been fun to watch

(01:08:58):
because I thought ty Senson like this little I remember
watching Florida State thinking this is not gonna work. You're
watching them last night, just slink touchdowns, Like wow, what
a job.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
By the way that the Fernando Mendoza throw to beat
Penn State in the back of the end zone, that
final drive may have been the throw of the year,
the toe of the year I came out of that game.
I think Indiana's really well coached. I think Mendoz is
a really good college quarterback, and they've got playmakers. I
don't know what the ranking was on these recruits, but

(01:09:29):
they just have a lot of football players. They have
Like when you watch Indiana's defense, I don't know if
they have a bunch of NFL guys. It's just a
bunch of highly productive tough nosed football players to tackle
really well. They're in the right spot. I don't know
if they're four and five star guys. They don't look
necessarily the part, but they don't miss a lot of tackles.

(01:09:49):
They got worked. In the second half, Penn State moved
the ball up and down the field on Indiana. Like
you could tell Penn State had more foreign five star guys.
That offense with a backup quarterback just ran, passed, chunk
plays up and down. But I'll give Fernando Mendoz a credit.
That final drive, he made a couple of great throws

(01:10:09):
and you get why. I mean, like, that's when you
watch a college quarterback like that. That throw at the
back of the end zone was high so only one
guy in the stadium could catch it. You know. In
the NFL, just throw to the end zone. You throw
low front of the end zone, high back of the
end zone. And I watched that and I'm like, that's
an NFL throw. That's a big times throw.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
A little more graceful, probably Omar Kelly Junior, but it
had a little Montana Dwight Clark in the back of
the end zone. You just put it up in the
back of the end zone off the back foot. I
do think, you know, you look at Mendoza, you look
at Dante more on his game winning drive. Yes, I
had a theory yesterday. It was kind of blown up
once Washington lost in Wisconsin. But do you think Oregon

(01:10:49):
and Washington are more equipped to play some of these
late October November games. They practice in the spring and
now at home in colder weather than what's a USC
and UCLA. So when they're going to some of these games,
it's not going to be it's going to be colder,
but they're used to practicing. If they want to practice
outside and wet and cold.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
No USC in that Iowa weather, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Oh, they lose. They lose that game ten out of
ten times. They could not win that game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
I mean, I said, when Oregon and Washington came in,
I'm from there. That is big ten weather. It's it's
wetter than cold, but I mean Seattle and Eugene November,
it's it's rain and sideways. So I think Oregon's personnel
they're more than equipped to handle it. I thought that
was a gut check win Oregon was missing. I think

(01:11:38):
they're top three receivers. I could be wrong, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah, I think they're in an offensive lineman. I think too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
They were a mess. I mean they basically in the
second half until that final tribe, they were just like,
we're just gonna run the football. We just want to
get out of here. We got a lead, we just
want to get out of the stadium healthy. So they
were falling apart a wide receiver. And I think that's
a much harder win than people think. You go to Iowa, Iowa,
you know it's it's Ioway's got a good on line,

(01:12:04):
Iowa can run the ball that Iowa's got six pros.
They always have six pros on their team. So and
it's pissing raining sideways. I thought it was a really
impressive Oregon win.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I think winning on the road in college in the
Big Ten in the SEC, like winning at Auburn is
very impressive. Winning at Iowa in November eighth is a
great win. I'm not a good win, a great that
feels like one of the better Oregon regular season wins
in a long long time. Like that that was if
you come away anything, Oh it's Iowa, They're gonna win

(01:12:35):
nine games. But who do they beat Well, they probably
got four guys on defense. They're gonna start in the NFL.
They have one of the more respected programs from gms
and coaches in the NFL, and they win eight or
nine games for a reason in that conference. Like they're
a well and how cold it is? This is what
I say about the Caleb Williams thing today. I don't
think people realize you're at what was the weather today?

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I mean, is it snowing and snow on my lawn?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
It's you know, how hard is to play football in that?
I just how cold your feet are? Your hands are
as skill guys? That I was the throw. Mendoza made
some huge throws on that final drive. I would say
Dante Moores that throw he made down the right sideline.
Those couple throws from Mendoza and Moore's throw there, that's
as good as you get. That's as good as it gets.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
No, I mean to me, Dante Moore and Mendoz I
have separated. Those are the two best college quarterbacks. If
they come out, they're one and two in some order.
I like Dante Moors wiggle, he moves really well, really impressive.
All right, John hard Rock, bet I have not been
good on Monday Night Football've had a great year, blazing five.
I keep taking all these favorites in Monday Night football.

(01:13:44):
So green Bay Lambeau at home minus now one and
a half. I like Philadelphia in the points. I liked
it when it was two and a half better than
one and a half. But it's off a bye. I
felt last time they played, Philadelphia really found themselves. I
like their roster. I think my concern with Green Bay

(01:14:05):
is what are they They've got some key injuries now,
Tucker Craft gone for the year. I think he's a
Pro Bowl tight end. Reid's been banged up. I think
Philadelphia has found their identity, and I'm not sure green
Bay offensively knows what there is. I like Philadelphia to

(01:14:26):
win outright.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
I've been going against you on Monday Night, but I'm
gonna ride with you. I think there's a chance if
the Eagles are up fourteen to three or fourteen to seven,
going I think you get some booze. I think there
is growing pressure on the floor losing these games that
they should win as big favorites. Now, like you said,
the Eagles don't only how often do the Eagles fly
under the radar? Coming into a big game. But they've
added Jalen Phillips. They added a couple of corners, Jau Alexander.

(01:14:51):
I'm with you. I like the Eagles in this spot
because I think the pressure is all on green Bay.
All right, buddy, great job, See you Colin the volume

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