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Something's going on here. That was a wild late window
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on a day and made chili. It was raining and cool.
It felt like the fall. What a wild late window.
The Denver Broncos final five possessions with bow Knicks touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
walk off field goal. So bow Knicks not only did
the New York Giants lead nineteen to nothing, they were
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totally dominating the game. Denver roars back for a thirty
three thirty two win over the New York Giants. I
gotta tell you, if I'm a Giants fan, I feel
strangely great. Jackson Dart on the what we perceived as
the game winning drive, plays with total confidence. I didn't
like the pass interference call, considering the consequences, I didn't
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love that call. You know, pass interference is such a nebulous,
hard call to begin with. But I gotta be honest
about bow Knicks. I said this last week, and I
said it the week before. John first two years in
the league as a quarterback. If you can run, run,
it'll buy you first downs. These defenses are sophisticated. This
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is not the Big Ten, the SEC or the you know,
ACC the windows shrink, the coordinators are better. You have
to pick up first downs with your legs. I thought today,
especially in the second half, Sean Payton let bow Knicks
run on crucial downs.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean, Colin, it looked really ugly. I mean
there was a point in time, I mean they had
to score thirty three points in the fourth quarter to
win the game. They didn't have a point. You know,
there was a stat I saw going out of the
first half that over the last of course, of the
last three games, that they would be dead last in
third down conversion percentage. I mean, they were atrocious. They
were just going three and out. They couldn't sustain any drives.
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He kept missing the big plays and then it just flipped.
I mean, the one thing you can't deny that he has.
He's got some mental fortitude and Sean Payton what looked
like was the game winning touchdown. They ran like a
quarterback power, you know, and they just let him. If
you remember a long time ago, the forty nine ers
with Alex Smith played Sean Payton in a playoff game
with the Saints. They did the same thing, and I
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you know that quarterback. They should institute more stuff like
that with Bow and their offense because they've been running
these deep breaking routes he's been missing them. Keep it shorter,
short intermediate, run the ball. I didn't think they ran
the ball enough. I'm with you on the Giants, like
I won. Their quarterback just looks like he's kind of
got a little something. I mean, he was ye Cam
Skataboo looks fantastic. Their pass rushers all look good. Listen,
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it's not going well. They've lost two devastating games. This
is the Cowboy This is worse than the Cowboy game.
But you know, i'd say, big picture, you're okay, but
this was It looked for a second when Denver was
getting shut out, and even when they were down what
twenty six to eight, You're like, well, the Chiefs are
on the transcending up and Denver's just got some major
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offensive problems. The Chargers are kind of are the Chiefs
just going to run away with this division? And then
it's the NFL and it flip.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You know, I was thinking John DeShawn because they really
do that Broncos between Evan Ingram, Mims, Sutton Franklin, they
have long, athletic and guys that can get over the top.
And their offensive line is right now rated number one
or two by PFF and I wonder if Sean has
so much confidence in it, he's he's really looking for
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big plays. And the truth is this is only like
twenty twenty four or five starts for bow Nicks. Okay,
He's so it's almost like he's coaching like he's got
because bo played so much college football. It's almost as
if Sean has put a ton on his back. And
because Seawn loves I mean Ingram's a stud physically, he
doesn't even look like the He's like an NBA guy.
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And then Mims and Sutton. These are long, rangy athletes
and they're all talented and so that they have the
potential for big plays. But sometimes I think that they
should worry more about like five yards on first down,
and a lot of it would be bow Knicks packages
because I mean, again when you watch him and you
see it with Jackson Dart, these guys are born early
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in their career. They want to run. They know how
good the defense. I mean, Jackson Dart, we thought scored
the winning touchdown. They literally called a play for They said,
forget scataboo, Boone Knicks quarterback draw. So I mean clearly
day ball Truss, Jackson Dart to run. I mean I
just when I watch bow Knicks, I see the skeptics,
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but he is an athlete.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean I would run the ball more. JK.
Dobbins I thought looked really good. I mean when they
get on the edges with their offensive line, the young
running back RG Harvey looks good. How about Hufunga, I
mean it has to be one of the better offseason
pickups in the league. He made play after play today
in the middle of the game to kind of keep
it close.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Between George Pickens, Dallas acquisition and Hufunga. Those are great talent,
but they're just great fits now. I mean, hu Fungo
was gonna work anywhere. Pickens is going to be as
good as his quarterback, and Dak's absolutely on fire. You
know what did open it up? Jackson Dart had one
big mistake today. It was that interception. They were leading
twenty six sixteen five forty in the fourth and he
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had It was an ugly pick by him. It was
actually a great catch.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So, I mean it was the only way Denver get
back in the game. They were going to need a turnover.
They were down twenty eight or twenty six to eight.
You know, with seven minutes left, the only way you
could come back was a turnover, and he gifted them
one on their side of the field.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So we've seen boon Nicks do this multiple times. I
do think this is true. John. I think those sixty
one college starts, coupled with Sean Payton's play calling, this
is what we always talk about. Who where you land
in the NFL matters. Bow Knicks a lot of college starts,
in a lot of harsh environments at Oregon, at Washington,
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big big games, all that college stuff. I think's paid off.
Bo Nix has been in a lot of close games
college and pro.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I do wonder, you know, forever with Drew Brees, especially
toward the latter end of his career, like pushing the
ball down his fields. His you know, shoulder started to go,
and Sean really wanted this athletic, physical guy in Tasom
Hill and it didn't quite work out. Now he has
bo Nicks, who has the physical capability of pushing the
ball down the field and throwing bombs. It feels like
he's very inclined to throw a lot of go routes
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even though it's not working, because he's been dreaming about
throwing go routes for a decade, even though, like you said,
with Sutton and some of their longer guys, I don't
pretend to no more football than Peyton, but it just
clearly is not working. I think some of the back
shoulder throws, some just you know, running the intermediate passing game.
That's where their skill sets, especially with the way Bo's playing,
because right now, his inaccuracy on the long ball, he
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just can't hit him. I mean he's just way off.
Even on the pass did they hit that ended up
leading the game winning field goal. I just think he
kind of threw it up for two guys and I
don't even know who he was throwing it to, but
it worked. And like I just think down the field
he's not very accurate more close and he had a
lot of balls batting today. That's a little cool he did.
I mean, that's clearly a game plan thing with the defense.
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Put your hands up. He's not the tallest guy. Felt
like he had like ten balls batted. I know the
number is probably five, but there was a stretch in
that game how many times on second or third down
ball would just hit the ground. You just have a
waste and play.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But this league now, I mean, here's what it's exciting
for me. I like good quarterback play. I watched Jordan
Love Jackson, Dart bow Knicks all great on final drives today,
and I think, if you're the New York Giants, I
just looked over my notes, I think you have to
feel so good. I mean they call it arm and hammer.
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I think between Dart and Skataboo. I like Dabel more
than you. I love their defensive front. It's I mean,
one New York team is unwatchable. I've been saying this
for two years. I said this about the Colts for
two years. They just got to get quarterback right. They've
got players. I feel that way about the Giants when
I watched today. The Giants have a lot of guys,
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a majority on the defensive side. But you know, they
have a lot of these wide receiver guys. I mean
they have a couple of big I mean tight ends.
These guys come out of nowhere. I mean they play it.
You know, you tap or unlv and I mean there's
tight end. I mean there's six five and a half
two hundred and fifty pound guys. I mean McBride for
Arizona craft for Green Bay. You know, they don't go
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to huge schools and they just become stars.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'll defend Daveall on this. He clearly was the guy
pounding the table on Dart. You know, that was the
guy that he wanted. He went all in on him
at this point in time. And they're not gonna end
up winning many games. Will probably be a five to
six win team at best. To me, you roll it back.
Even if you got to give him like a fake
one year extension. I'm not in firing my head coach
if I'm day Ball. Who's an offensive guy, who's the
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quarterbacks guy? I got to give this a couple of
year window because then you're just doing what the Titans
are doing and it's just complete train wreck. You actually
have even though in losses a lot of positive momentum. Yes,
you said, well, look at the team you share the
stadium with. I mean, that's that's an unwatchable product. This
is a real football team with these two young guys.
That is just I would not get rid of. I am.
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I'm a proponent of keeping Brian Daball right now, I
don't exactly know contractually what's he going to turn down,
Like a one year extension. I want to get fired.
I mean, he's not gonna be a head coach anywhere else.
To me, I got no problem bringing them back for
another year based on what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, I listen, there is no question if you look
at what like Shane Stiken has done to Daniel Jones.
I mean we see it time and time again with
these offensive head coaches, do they It's a different field.
Bon Nicks wouldn't be doing this with a defensive coach,
I like Demiko Ryan's Bonnicks wouldn't be doing this. I mean,
there is just a it's almost like a language they
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talk with quarterback. So I think that's one of the
It's a heartbreaking loss for the New York Giants. But
you can't watch Jackson Dart and not see the energy,
the confidence. You know, an earth thing is he has
a and I've said this before, it happens all the time.
He has a better arm as a pro than he
did in college. Like he makes throws now, and you know,
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I mean they're young athletes. They work their ass off,
but his arm is no problem. He I have no
problem Jackson Dark can sling it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I thought both those guys. The arm talent was pretty
evident today, especially in the second half of the game.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, let's go to green Bay twenty seven over Arizona
twenty three. So again, Jordan Love had a game winning drive.
You know, it's interesting. Green Bay can't really run. They're
not getting a great push on the offensive line. Dobbs
Craft and Matthew Golden have been good targets for them.
Christian Watsons always hurt. I don't feel like Jacobs quite
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has the pop this year. He's had injuries. I don't
feel they run it, so they're very bad on third down.
They can't extend drives. But I listen. One of my
bets of the week is I took Arizona the points.
I picked twenty eight to twenty four green Bay to
win close, and it was twenty seven to twenty three.
It looked a lot like I thought. My take was
Jacoby Brissett or Kyler Murray Kider' is the better athlete.
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Jacoby's probably better from the pocket. So I think Arizona
at home is tough. I thought they controlled most of
the game. I think Trey McBride is a top three
tied end in the sport green Bay one. You know,
they're really young, and I tend to like, almost to
a fault, apologize for young teams. I really like green Bay.
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I thought the big win for green Bay today was
Micah Parsons had three sacks. They got him for games
like today. You score late, you need this sack. And
Bill Pollian taught me this year's ago. He said, if
you have a Pro Bowl level quarterback, you not only
need a left tackle, you need a pass rusher. You're
gonna lead seventy five percent of your games with four
minutes to go. That's where Dwight Freeney came in. Dwight
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Freeney closed he was the Mariano Rivera Peyton manning for years,
and that's what That's what Mike is. Mike is the closer.
And Green Bay you know this, they haven't had that
clothe are on that line for years.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, totally. I mean he was a man amongst boy,
especially down the stretch, you know, bringing him in fresh
to me, this is a game when you're playing Jakobe
who cannot move, which it's kind of undeniable. The Cardinals
look better offensively with him at corteration than you a kayler.
They look way more efficient, but like he can't move.
And if you're gonna have one of the best pass
rush in the league and you're gonna pay two hundred
million dollars for a guy and give he's got to
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dominating this spot. And he did. You know that. It
was my beef early in the season against the Cowboys,
Like you're spending all this money for this guy. He's
got to take over games. You're you're treating him like
one of the all time greats in the history of
the league. And he showed that today his speed coming
around the edge that they couldn't touch him. But kway
Walker all those guys like the Packers are gonna have
to hang their hat on being an elite pass rushing
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team because offensively, if you went back to last year,
they start slow like they did all last year the majority,
and this year he has seventy five yards passing at halftime.
It's like, who are you guys playing? This isn't this
Arizona Cardinals. Defensively, they're the skill wise, they're just not
that talented and they just can't They couldn't generate yards.
And I get it, Josh Jacobs is I think he
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was sick. And did you see that story yesterday? They
were way late, they had like a six hour delay. Yes,
But it's like from a talent standpoint, they just look
so slow and lethargic, and they've done this now for
two straight years. I'm not as confident on them big picture,
like do I feel good about them just being in
the NFC Championship game, But like their talent, their speed
on offense, like you said, I mean they got multiple
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wide receivers, the tight ends good, the coaching staff's good,
and the talent on defense up front is just it
should dominate an opponent like this, and they get Jared Goff,
they get some opponents that you know, not everyone's Kayleb
Williams can run around like Jacoby can't move, so he's
kind of a sitting duck back there.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, he had at one point fourteen straight completions. He
was really comfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He's looked good two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Collen, Yeah, No, And I was thinking watching that game,
I kind of felt like, you know, I know what
Jacoby Brissette is, but what he really is a big,
strong kid who throws strikes down the field. He can
see the field. How many of his completions were over
the middle of the field. Kyler doesn't give you that.
It's like Jalen Hurst today was great deep down the field,
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but you know you're not gonna move off Kinder Murray
for Brissette. But I I do think when you watch
Jacoby Brissett, it's I can see that offensive coordinator saying,
we really have an NFL big franchise sit in the
pocket NFL quarterback and it allows you to do more.
Marvin Harrison, by the way, is playing better. I think
he's there's something there he you know, listen, it's it's
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tight ends and wide receivers. It's not always a hit.
They're not all JSN. I mean, JSN now is so
much better than you one. Ebuka is a rarity. JSN
NOW year two. You're like, wow. But I think I
want to I don't want to rip green Bay because
I really do think Arizona's got players. I really do
think they have six or seven elite players. They're very
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good at home. I just think Green Bay is a
team that's not getting a push on the offensive line,
so they don't extend drives, and they're not very good early,
so they often play from a hole, and I just
think this is kind of what they are.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well, Arizona's two and five, they could be six and one.
They literally could win every single game they playing, you know,
and this goes from the beginning of the year. They
have lost some just devastating games. I was flipping around
the volume and I was on the Packer Cardinal game
and Vilma mentioned something that I think the coaches had said, well,
you know, Jacobe works with all the wide receivers after practice,
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and it was like, yes, what was that? What are
they saying there? You know, I listen, they're not gonna
win many games. The coaching staffs and kind of peril.
Now they've already find the coach one hundred grand for
something that I thought was pretty innocuous. I mean, stuff
happens in high school football. This whole thing's gonna get
blown up. I think the Kyler Murray era is like
unofficially over, Like he's gonna end up playing more this
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year whenever he's HELFI but this whole thing's over. Franchise.
It's kind of sad because they've definitely kind of been closed.
They've had some talent, but it's it's just not working.
Out and they just can't win any of these games.
And I think, listen, they went all in for Kyler,
a five foot nine athlete who just doesn't really rally
the troops clearly, and there's just something missing. And I
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think that you look at this game like they just
lose a lot of these games. For a year after year,
they're in so many games. Did Jonathan Gannon? His record
is not going to be very good, But I don't
view him as like some completely overshad failure. Same all
their games kind of look the same. Colin Nope.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I can't tell you how many times I have bet
Arizona to cover. You know, I was on my second
favorite bet today. I was like, you know, Green Bay
is gonna go there. They're gonna have a lot of fans.
But there's I mean Arizona Buddha Baker and McBride, and
they have good receivers and their offensive line is okay.
I just I think my takeaway in this game is
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closed it. He just completely you know, I mean, there's
just in a knock on. Micah was ohways that he
was a splash player in Dallas. That was kind of
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quarters and he was real quiet in the first half, right,
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this game, it's really interesting. So Chicago Bears at home
beat the Saints twenty six to fourteen. Saints had four turnovers.
Chicago led twenty to six at half. I mean it's
like Chicago hired the right coach. Their defense is playing
top tier football. Their run game now with adding those
three interior offensive lineman John they can run the football.
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They are clearly a run team. The passing game with
Caleb was totally out of sync. Ben Johnson's facial expression,
it's kind of resting, discouraged, like he just never you know,
you know, he knows he's on TV and so he's
not eye rolling, but he looks exasperated sometimes with the
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passing game because there's looks that Caleb just either doesn't
see or can't connect. I don't think Caleb is a
naturally innately accurate thrower of the football. But the run
game's real. They're playing poorly and winning in stretches. The
defense has been outstanding. I mean, I think they came
into the game with the most takeaways and they got
four more turnovers. So I look at it and I
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think to myself, they're on a one of the four
game winning streak. I mean, they're winning, they're playing imperfectly.
The passing game has moments. Caleb has firepower. He has moments,
but it's what we thought would be the horsepower, the
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jet fuel has actually been the liability their passing game.
Like I think Rahma Dunza and Caleb had real connection
in the first half and they just kind of felt
like it just disappeared, it's very uneven to me.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
To me, he had so many stretches to day where
it's like that hero ball syndrome of him just running
around sideline, the sideline on pass plays. It's like, I
can't imagine. That's not how Ben Johnson wants to play.
But what did he do? I was thinking about this today,
Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson both being available in the
same cycle, Like, that's a pretty good cycle. I mean,
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I don't think there was quite enough competition for both
their services. You know, Ben Johnson's one of the better
offensive coordinator candidates in recent memory. You could argue he's
a better candidate at the time when he was available
than Sean McVay was at thirty one years old, than
Kevin O'Connell was. I mean, this guy was the number
one play caller by a mile. He was given all
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three years. And then here's where I give him a
lot of credit, Like Dennis Allen's proven he's a really
good defensive coordinator and he gave him the game ball.
You know, I don't know if you saw the highlights, yeah, listen.
I also think that Spencer Rattler tried to like show
that I'm better than Caleb Williams, and he kind of
crumbled in this game. I mean, made a couple of
passes that were like made Caleb look like Lway some
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of his decisions. But I'm with you, it's not even
just a passing game. It's Caleb did not look comfortable
today in the pocket he takes off. He's kind of
got that older you know, when Russell Wilson started kind
of leaving his prime because he's run around, but there's
no plays being made after he's scrambling around. It was
a lot of just three sixties and run around. But
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if Swift's gonna look like that and their defense gonna
play like that, they're gonna be fighting. Now can they beat?
Do I trust him to be the Packers, the Lions
and some of these games, I don't know if I
go that far. You can't operate like that from a
passing standpoint. I mean, I'm I'm not trying to be
negative because you win four games in a row, that's
a big deal in Chicago, but you got to be
a little concerned with the quarterback and the way he's playing.
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Really over the last couple of games, he wasn't that good.
Last week against Washington and they got lucky that Jayden
fumbled the ball or they lose that game.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Here's the upside. They did dominate time of possession, and
again so much like Detroit, they're creative, they pick up
first downs. I mean with Caleb like fifteen to twenty six,
they're not asking him to do a lot, but they're
dominating time of possession and they're running the football. When
they went and got Drew Dolman and Jonah Jackson and
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who was the other kid, Oh Joe Tooney. You know
those are elite guys. And we talked about this. You
don't play offensive lineman veterans in the preseason. So the
first two or three weeks, you know, the offensive line
is all about chemistry and cohesion more than any single unit.
Maybe the secondary, but it's all about cohesion. Well, from
about week three on week four on, this has been
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a really good offensive line. They're running the ball, they
dimon dominate time of possession. So my takeout of this
thing is, you know, they're winning and these are games
they would have lost. And so for sure, when I
watch a coach, there are limitations any coach has, and
it's like Sean Payton. He's doing what he can with
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bow Nicks, which is second half, they're running more. They're
often not very good early, but you can do only
so much with what you have. But when I watch
the Bears, I think this is a choppy, well coached team.
Caleb's right now learning the position, but it's a whole
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new staff, new players. I do think he and Roma
Dunze have a field. There is something there that I
think it's good. Swift is a very good running back.
I don't know. I think when you look at Chicago's
history beating a bad team at home, when your quarterbacks
on the then you gotta feel good about a driving home.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Well, to me, you're four and two, like you're in position.
If you just kind of stay five hundred, you're gonna
be in the wild card mix. Here's the other thing.
What's gonna translate for Chicago late in the season. It's
gonna be cold, it's gonna be defense and running the ball.
I'm looking at their schedule. They got the Lions last
game of the season at home, that's outside Green Bay
at home outside. Uh, you got the Browns at at
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Green Bay at Philadelphia. I mean, these are cold, inclement
weather games, you're not gonna throw probably in some of
these windy situations, rain, snow, sleet. Who knows, you're not
gonna be throwing for three hundred yards anyway. So if
you get swift, give you one hundred plus yards. Ben
Johnson's excellent with running backs. I mean, that was a
huge thing that he hung has had on in Detroit.
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And if Dennis Allen can get because they're missing DB's,
that's the other thing. Like Jalen Johnson out for the season,
he's like, yeah, you know, a borderline all pro level guys.
So their dbs today were I mean, some of the
passes were awful, but they were their DB's made a
couple just incredible plays.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So yeah, here's the other thing. Remember last year they
scored twenty seven points in the first quarter all year.
Once again this week they took a thirteen to nothing lead,
So again that is a huge step john Last year
they could not score in the first So I think
as of now, I don't know what the number is.
They scored twenty seven first quarter points last year. I'm
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not sure. I mean, I think they're now almost at
forty points for the year and or third through the season.
So if you just look at run game, improved functionality,
first quarter, improved defense, you can see the plan. When
you watch them play, you can see the plan. And
for the record, Caleb is better than last year. The
other thing about Caleb, it's interesting, and I thought about
this day with Spencer Rattler. For all the misgivings you
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and I may have or questions about Caleb, you ever
noticed this John He doesn't throw a lot of picks.
He didn't at USC. He only threw six last year
in total chaos and dysfunction. He may drive you nuts,
but he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. He's just
he misses open guys. He didn't throw it to the
other team much.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
And this gets back I think hiring Ben Johnson. We
said it for so many times with the Chargers when
they had these really good teams and they would hire
Mike McCoy or Brandon Staley, they went cheap. Finally you
get Jim Harbo. It's like, Okay, now you have a
chance for the first time in Bear's modern day history.
Like they spent huge money on a real guy that
every other team would want. And it's paying dividends right
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now because I'm with you, like you know, if anyone
can just corral and fix some of these pocket deficiencies
with Caleb, And I also just think it gets back
to sometimes smaller guys harder to see. So part of
like why did Russell scramble around a lot because he
probably couldn't see anything. He scrambled, he got outside the
tackle box he could see. Caleb doesn't too, And like
you said, he's not doing as many hero balls across
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his body to the other team. That that's a win
in itself.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
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whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast. So it wasn't one
of the better games, but Kansas City beat Las Vegas
thirty one to nothing. The Raiders were held in ninety
five total yards and in the last month, the Chiefs
are averaging thirty two points a game. And I was
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sitting there this morning, I really believe the NFL has
come down to four tiers. First tiers Kansas City, it
looks like the best team in the league. Then there's
several teams Tampa among them, Rams, Detroit, Philadelphia, Colts that
appear to be really good, solid football teams. Maybe Denvers
in there, maybe not. There's three awful teams Titans, Jets, Dolphins,
(28:36):
probably Cleveland. But then there's about twenty one to twenty two.
Jeff Short said this today on the internet coin flips,
and so we've got a great team, a small handful
of good teams, a really small handful of awful like
bottom of the NBA level teams, and then most of
these games are it's a lot of coin flip stuff.
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I mean, maybe the Raiders are off, but today's a
great Yeah. So today this is the first time all
year Kansas City had their top three receivers. Rice had
seven catches, Worthy had three, Juju three. I think I
told you two weeks ago keep your eye on Breshard Smith.
That kid's gonna end up being a really good player
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for them, Hollywood Brown. Now you look at their receiving
corps with Rice and Worthy and you're like, oh, it's
one of the deeper wide receiving corps. I I mean,
I just it was forty two to seventeen time of possession.
I mean, to me, Kansas City clearly looks like the
best speed, the most depth. The best team hands down
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in the league. That's what my eyes tell me.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I think one major difference this year and the way
they look on offense they did last year. Hollywood Brown
basically missed the entire season. For him last season, he
adds an element of just I wouldn't say he's Tyreek
Hill by any means from a speed standpoint, but he
is a faster receiver, but he can catch ball's intermediate
go over the he makes a lot of plays for him.
To me, you put him with Juju. Now Rice is back,
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It's kind of opened everything up because Travis looks way better.
Part of last year was like, Travis looks really bad
and looking back, clearly he's an older veteran player, but
everything was so condensed because they had no thread outside.
So now you add Hollywood Brown, who's completely healthy. Juju
and Patrick have a good chemistry. Rice now back in
the mix with Worthy, you can spread the field out
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and open the middle of the field for eighty seven
to operate. Because to me, Travis over the last month,
I don't want to say he looks like himself in
his prime, but he definitely looks way better than the
guy that I thought was kind of over the hill
last year, and part of it is he's not quite
fast enough just to take on two guys anymore. But
if he can get one on one coverage and just
work zones and what he does best, as he's doing
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right now, their offense feels much more balanced. And like
you said, the Smith kid, I think from SMU they
drafted the seventh round to go with Pachako and Kareem Hunt.
Their offense just has a lot of pros like that
guy's like I want to replace this guy. I place
this guy. Maybe not like Hall of Fame guys in
their peak, but just a well rounded bunch. I mean,
their star left tackle has disappeared for a couple of games,
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got some personal stuff going on, so whenever they get
him back. Interior, their offensive lines excellent. Their quarterback I
thought's been playing well all season and today I mean spags.
I don't quite understand what's up with the Raiders, but they,
I mean they Patrick Mahomes had sunflower season had on
at the end of the third quarter, which is pretty
unheard of in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Colin Well AFC had their chances, but the Ravens are
one in five. The Bills have lost two straight and
the Chargers now are just beat up. I have just
timetell you something. If you didn't watch the Chargers Colts,
don't blame it on Justin Herbert. He's getting hell kicked
out of them and he is just sitting back there
throwing darts. But I kind of look at Kansas City
and it drives people crazy. But this league, for as
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long as I can remember, you can go back to
Eddie de Bartolow and Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. It's
a leadership league. If you're good at the top. I mean,
you know, you go look at the New York Giants
fall from grace. They lose Tom Kaffin, they lose Eli Manning.
I don't think they were ever great at general manager,
but they were capable, and it's just never been the same.
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It's just very hard John to find. As you know,
there's no other Andy Reid in the league. And Brett
Veach is one of the great mid round draft guys
in the league, and the Hunt family is mostly hands off,
and then Mahomes is uniquely gifted. And it's just I
always feel sort of like in college football, like if
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your Notre Dame or your Georgia and you hire the
wrong coach, or Michigan or something like that. You know,
one of those schools, it's easier to catch up. You know,
it's easier. Once Lincoln Riley came to USC, their offensive
recruiting got better, right, and they may not win this
or that, but the offense got really good, really fast.
Because he knows what he's doing us. He's a big brand.
It's easier for blue bloods. If Alabama gets Kaylin de
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Borie struggles for a year, Nick say, but it's Alabama,
Like it's a huge brand. And I kind of like
Kansas City. It's like if they have a bad draft
or they have injuries. They're just so smart. I mean, owner,
GM president, quarterback, like everybody's an A toh and a plus.
So I just I think the last couple of years
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it's they can't figure out the offensive line. I watch
them the last four weeks to average thirty two a game.
I just they look different than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, they have a huge advantage the infrastructure. I mean,
Andy Reid and Breadveach have been there the entire time.
Beach hasn't been the GM the whole time, but he's
been with Andy from day one in Kansas City. Their
offensive line coach, Heck has been there the entire time.
Spags now has been there, what five or six years.
Travis Kelsey has been there since twenty fourteen. Chris Jones
has been there since twenty sixteen. Patrick Mahomes, I think
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the standing and the standard it's it's pretty unheard of
and unparalleled. I mean, it's got a little mccordy, Edelman, Gronk, Brady, Belichick.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Josh and Daniel.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It's a huge advantage they have that no one else
in the league has, even Denver, Like, how long is
this coaching staff and his crew really been together? Two
and a half years, So the advantage they have over
their competition. And listen, the Colts Shane Siken looks as
good as any offense. If you had to give me
who's the offensive coordinator of the year as we sit
here October nineteenth, he one would get my vote. But
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like this is Daniel Jones first year there. You know,
they got some new pieces. Obviously got some new pieces
on defense. I got some younger players that are contributing,
like you're telling me. In the second round Colts against
the Chiefs, even if Kansas City has to go to
the colt. You feel great about Daniel Jones against Kansas City,
of course not, you know so and he is calling
I mean today Colin he was like Andy, I think
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early on. One thing about Andy, he's kind of wired
more like a Saban, Like he's not really there to
run it up. You know, he'll call off the dogs.
I mean, they just he's not into showing anyone up.
He respects Pete Carroll like that could have been a
lot worse. There are some coaches in college in the
NFL that would have tried score fifty.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
That was.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That score doesn't indicate what I witnessed. That that game
was JV VERSU varsity. Crossby got injured, he was knocked out.
But and I would say the same thing for Indy
relative to the Chargers defense, they did whatever they wanted
and that that's the one thing Indy had. I don't
know if their offense or excuse me, their defense is
good enough to stop Kansas City. But offensively, man they
(35:23):
got I mean, the running back is playing as well
as any player in the NFL. Jonathan Taylor, Tyler Warren,
the tight end is fantastic. They got multiple wide receivers,
Pierce Pittman, they are They're impressive. Shane Stichen's having a year.
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about the Dallas Cowboys. You know, they clobbert Washington forty
four to twenty two. I mean, Dallas had almost three
hundred yards in the first half, and they had a
great Dak had a great Dallas is so good this year.
At the end of the first half, like they're so good,
and Jaden Daniels got hurt, came back, Mariota had an
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absolutely dreadful pick six to give Dallas a forty one
fifteen lead. But I will tell you right now, I'm
of all the surprises in the league. So I picked
New England to be the surprise team in the league.
I feel good about it. I picked Denver in Kansas
City to win that division and go to the playoffs.
Chargers third, I feel pretty good about that. I feel
pretty good about my stuff. I had no idea. I mean,
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I didn't think Dallas would be good. Defensively, they may
be the best offensive team in the league. They're situational,
They're unbelievable at the end of halfs. George Pickens, outside
of Halfunga and probably including Hafunga, is the steel of
the offseason. I mean a third round pick for that guy.
They had Cede lamback today. I'm blown away by Dallas
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and Jayden Daniels doesn't look right. I don't think he's healthy.
That was both of our concerns when he came into
pro football. Could he stay healthy. I think Dak looks sensational.
That offense is as fun to watch as any in
the league. It is amazing what happens with CD and
Pickens both. It just opens everything up for their tight
end play. Their running back Jevonte Williams looks like the
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Denver guy. So I mean, I Dallas is I am.
I don't say this very often. I am shocked about
how good they are offensively.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
You could make the argument, and I'm not necessarily making it,
but you could did. Brian Shaan Namer right now as
the coach of the year they trade Michah Parsons whatever,
what was that? Two weeks before, a week before the
start of the season, he not a soul, thought he
should be the head coach, and every human being that
fallows football thought it was an embarrassment to name him
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the head coach. And then once he's named the head coach,
they thought he'd be completely over his head. Well, offensively,
he's the offensive play caller and they are dominant. And
then you get rid of Micah to add Pickens, who
is a pretty big personality who is going to shatter
all of his personal highs. I mean, he's on pace
for about eighty catches. I think his career high coming
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into the season was five touchdowns. He already got six.
And it feels like on any given play he can score.
I mean he is. He's pretty dialed in.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I get it, he's a contract year, but those situations
can be touch and go. CD comes back seamless. Just
put him right back in. They hit the ground running. Offensively,
they've looked like a juggernut. Now listen, Washington, the magic
is out. I mean they look defensively, they look terrible.
Jaden needs to protect himself more he's getting crushed. Obviously
they were missing wide receiver, but the magic from last
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year is unempty right now. Colin and Dallas feels like
they got a little bit of it now. Defensively, Are
they going to be good enough big picture to compete
for a wild card? I don't know that, but we
all have to admit Brian Schottenheimer has done a remarkable
job as the play caller in managing this situation which
I don't want to say senile quite yet, but Jerry's
pretty out there now in his mid eighties. Not an
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easy situation for a first time head coach.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, and I think it's all because of Dak. I
think Dak is just one of those guys. You know.
It's like everywhere Chris Paul and the NBA went, you know,
the Clippers, if you go back to when he came
into the league, you know down In was at New
Orleans and then the Clippers in wake Forest and everywhere
Chris Paul went. They remember Phoenix for years, they had
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you know, Booker, and they had a they were terrible,
and then Chris Paul got there in sixteen points a game,
and his IQ and his toughness and his distribution. It's
like everywhere Chris Paul went, your basketball team got better
and smarter. Like, let's just be honest about that. He
just he's played so many snaps at Mississippi State and Jerry,
whether it's Dez Tyron Smith, zeke Zach Martin, it doesn't
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matter Amari Cooper. If he's upright, they win double digit games.
I mean, I think he's been sensational, and I think
it's just like anything else. I don't care if you're
a dentist, a sportscaster, or a quarterback. You just you
do something long enough you don't have to think about it.
And he did this a couple times today where clearly
the first two people weren't open. You're watching his head,
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they're not open, and you can just his sense of
the pocket and pressure is so good. He just has
he doesn't get nervous. He's just and he's also a
big guy. I mean, Dak to the average person in America,
even among pro athletes, Dak is big. He's thick. You know,
when guys get older, these pros, they've been in a
pro weight room forever and they also eat, and so
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quarterbacks aren't cut. You know, quarterbacks they've got pudding. Dak's
a big human being, and I just watch him when
the pocket collapses, He's totally comfortable. You know. He's just
a really, really good football player, and I don't think
there's a lot of I think he has really great
tight ends. I will say Javonte Williams, the running back,
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has returned to that early Denver form. He's pretty damn explosive.
He doesn't go down with one tackle.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Listen, their defense and major question mark. But the one
reason I was just thinking, like, I can't totally write
him off. The kicker they have is a major weapon.
So this is not college football. A lot of your
games are just gonna be within the balance of a score.
And if you get twenty thirty forty seconds on the
clock and you're down, you know two three points. That
guy can hit from seventy yards. I think Burkehart he
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blasted a sixty two yard field goal today. He's like
that would have been good for eighty. I mean, he's
just he is. I don't think we've ever seen anything
quite like it. Now. I get it, these kickers have
access to the balls Monday through Saturday, but is that
really making a ten yard different it's remarkable whatever these
guys are doing. And that guy is the cream of
the crop right now because his ball doesn't even move
in the air. It's just right down the middle sixty five.
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You don't even think about it. How good are they
like their red zone packages with Brian Schottenheimer, guys like open,
it's been really really impressive to watch. He's you know,
sometimes if you miss your window, I think sometimes in coaching, right,
this sport's pretty fickle and injury here all of a sudden,
you go from a hot name to a negative name.
Maybe you know, he was somewhere in the middle. He
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maybe got a little too hot when he was young,
but he kind of fell off the radar. He remember
he got with Russ Wilson. He got fired there in
Seattle and just he kind of fell off the map.
But clearly like this guy knows a little something about
offensive football.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, I think that their red zone packages are late
half are really It's like, I mean, honestly, it looks
a little bit like Denver and a little bit like
Kansas City. Like there's just when you get into a
congested area and there's guys wide open that that's coaching
and I think I think Dallas deserves a ton of credit.
I want to talk about Tony before we leave and
some college football. So the Eagles beat the Vikings twenty
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eight to twenty two. It was an interesting day because
Jalen Hurts was actually great down the field. You know,
that's been a big knock. It's a they can't run
the football anymore. They literally cannot run the football. You know,
Jalen has has heard what people have said. He's a
super competitive guy. Devonte Smith, aj Brown, I mean, it
was it was big game hunting, and you know, Carson
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Wentz is Carson Wentz. You know, he's just but Jalen
in the end was nineteen to twenty three, perfect passer
rating three hundred and twenty six yards and anything over
ten yards. He was exceptional. You know, I've kind of
come to terms with Philadelphia. It's always going to be
a leaky faucet because Jalen has There's some limitations, but
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there's so many ways to win in this league. From
a quarterback, there's the movers, there's the big guys. I mean,
right now, Burrow can't stay healthy, and we both love
Joe Burrow, like Jalen Hurts, stays healthy, Jalen Hurts leads.
Jalen Hurts is pretty damn good over the top. He's
got that Russell Wilson thing in his prime. He's pretty
damn good over the top. He runs, he's great on
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the tush push, And I've just kind of come to
terms with when they're healthy, they're not great at corner.
But when they're healthy, a lot of their guy he's
going to look like this. They're just going to have
bad stretches. It will almost be like if the Dodgers
didn't have as good as starting pitching, they would have
bad stretches if they face good pitching. Like there, he's
not gifted enough in the pocket to get easy completions.
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It feels like everything kind of feels like work. Now
they can't run the ball anymore. But I thought this
game today, the vikings off of by at a tough
place to play. Philly's a little beat up. I thought
it was a pretty impressive win.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Did any two plays some up Jalen Hurts more than
at the end of the game. They ran a slant
I think it was like second and ten and he
throws it behind AJ Brown. It's like, oh my god,
they're gonna have to punt and the Minnesota is gonna
get and then the next play they run the double move,
fake the slant and he goes hits him in stride
and you just went all all game long. He hit
Devonte Smith on a deep bomb for a touchdown early
in the game, he hit aj Brown and then when
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when it was all on the line, they put it
in his hands and he came really on second anthrow down.
They trusted him enough, so I would say this it
was a good moment for the OC to just kind
of get everyone that they're not gonna be able to
run the ball because their centers banged up. Who's a
little bit of an overrated player, but their their star
guard Dickerson's out and their right guard situation has been
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influx because they couldn't pay beckten he leaves. So last
year their interior offensive line, we know their tackles, they said,
arguably the best offensive line in the league. In Saquan
Let's face it, like pretty motivated last year, pretty big
chip on his shoulder, wins the Super Bowl, doing a
lot of commercials living life. Now, you know, life's good,
and I totally understand it. It's hard to be motivated.
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As he got to the pinnacle, he proved the Giants
they were wrong. He doesn't he just maybe there's just
a natural wear and tear on the tires. Yeah, we've
seen now two years in a row, McCaffrey a couple
of years ago, Sakuan. When you have this historic number
of matches, usually little slower the next year. Everyone's be
lined on you. But here's what you know about the
Eagles and when Jalen's on. How many teams have DeVante
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Smith and aj Brown? I mean it's like you just
kipt those guys the ball. You're unstopped. I bet how
He's up there in the in the box always like
just throw these guys the ball, bro go. I mean
this thing like to go deep. Unlike bo Nicks, he
has a lot of touch on deep breaking routes.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
What's amazing about Philadelphia's offenses last year they would just
squish people with time of possession. They didn't have the ball.
I mean the Vikings had the ball. I mean, if
you were casually watching this game on the red zone,
every time you turn on, it felt like Minnesota had
the ball. You know.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Carson Wentz, Carson was atrocious. At parts of this game.
They were horrible guys wide open. He was bad.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
He was bad. And again, you know they wanted Sam Donald.
You and I know that they wanted Sam Donald. I
mean the JJ McCarthy thing. He can't stay healthy. So
it's Minnesota has been well run since the seventies and
they have like Buffalo. Now, Buffalo's had long stretches where
they were really a mess. I mean, Jim Kelly years
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were great, the Josh Allen years are great, but they
had a lot of lean years. They had leaned decades.
I mean New England went twelve years, just beat them
twice a year. Minnesota's been like Kansas City. They've been
playoffs or borderline playoffs for most of my life. It's
just when you get Mahomes, it changes everything. Minnesota's just
waiting for that great quarterback they probably should have signed.
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It was hard. They gave up a fourth and a
fifth to move up to get JJ McCarthy. I think
they wanted to sign Sam Darnold, but Sam flake you
drafted the guy I want to know. I mean, Sam
and his agent made the right call. But now you're trapped.
You kind of have to play JJ and I think
inside the building they have real doubts about it.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I think Breer talked about this last week, you kind
of resurface they had tried to go all in for
Drake May. Did you talk about that last week on
your show? Like they had they had offered I think
their two first round picks and the four the next
year's number one, like they put an enormous package, and
the Patriots smartly just said no. But let's face it,
like they do feel now and you have Kevin O'Connell,
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so you never know, like you found Sam Donold, like
they could find a party type, but they could have
a little couple of years of like being like the
Colts right now, because you're like Wentz definitely is not it.
I mean he's on this is sixteen and six years
and let's face it, at this point in time, how
could you have any faith in JJ McCarthy just to
stay healthy, let alone be a good player. So you
watch them, you go, they the personnel's pretty good. They're
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coaching is good. But if you don't have a quarterback,
I mean there were guys. Even on the one that
Hawkinson they called a drop. I thought it was a catch,
but I get the rule. He was wide open and
Carson like does this like side arm, like he's chuck knoblock,
just just lobbing the ball and have him catch in
the bread basket. What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
And that that cost him. And but that's like Carson
wentz your quarterback twenty twenty five, what are you gonna do?
JJ comes back next week or in two weeks. They
got problems that stability at that position because you couldn't
watch it any moment because the players around him, I
mean justin Jefferson spectacular. Honestly, the talent relative to the
Eagles was pretty equal. The quarterback play. The gap was
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how he had to feel pretty good. I got rid
of that guy for this guy.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I won, Yeah, no question. I want to talk about this.
The Rams beat the Jags thirty five to seven, And
if you watched that game, it was twenty one nothing
at half. You were watching a great organization, a great coach,
a great quarterback, and a great receiver. But it was
really an organizational win they got in twenty four hours
before the game. The Jags, by the way, had more
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yards and more yards per play and lost thirty five
to seven. The Jags had a touchdown called back, multiple sacks.
I mean, Trevor Lawrence got whacked more mistakes. I gotta
tell you. I watched the Rams. They are such a
well run organization. They had a seventh round rookie have
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a touchdown. They had the other rookie. I think he's
a second or third round Terrence ferguson the tight end
from Oregon. Suddenly they're deep at tight end. They're not flashy.
I mean because Stafford's not going to give you any
cheap yards in the outside, like unlike a bo Nicks
for dark even young guys. You know, Stafford athletically at
this point is closer to Jacoby Brissett. He's going to
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sit in the pocket. And I mean, just let's be honest.
Denver does not win the game without bow Knicks's legs,
and the Giants don't win without Jackson Dart's legs. Like
Stafford is a great pocket passer. But you know there's
three or four times a year or a game you'd
love Matt just to take off and pick up fourteen
yards because sometimes the defense creates pressure. They guess, right.
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But I'm watching him today when he's on and he
has bad halfs when Matt Stafford was dialed in today
he and Devant I mean, in a weird way. The
Pooka injury was great because Devonte Adams now he was
the focus of the offense this I guess takeout Kansas City.
I feel like McVeigh is the second best coach in
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the NFL.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, I mean, I set my alarm this morning for
six thirty. I hit snooze, and by the time I
opened my eyes and turned that thing on, DeVante was
just scoring his first touchdown. It was fourteen to nothing
and they were off to the races, and that thing
was over. I mean, the game was the game was
over before halftime. He is kind of an underrated MVP
candidate right now, Colin. He's got seventeen touchdowns and two
interceptions this year this season, and you know when Puka
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comes back, he is going to be able to build
a rapport. Like one thing with Devonte, it's a little
more of a timing right back shoulder throws like that's
what he always hung his hat on with Aaron. You
saw today some of those over the shoulder, some of
those in the red zone. If they developed like a
serious report, he already has it with Puka. That's pretty dangerous,
you know, especially the way their defense, their front can
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just dominate the game, dominate. So it's like I was
high on Jacksonville. I think they've been pretty impressive this year.
That was pretty embarrassing. I didn't they showed up twenty
four hours before. Did they stay on the East Coast
and then just.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Fay stayed they practiced The Rams practice at Camden Yards
in Baltimore. They came over. I mean the first half
was one of the smartest, most crisp efficient first halfs
by any team this year. I mean the Rams just
march down the field, play action, clever, a lot of
double tight ends. At one point, I think they had
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three tight ends on the field. They used all of them.
Davis Allen, Terrence Ferguson, is it, Tyler Higbee, Colby Parkinson.
I mean, they used all their tight ends. I thought
it was such a chris. I thought it was an
organizational win. It was, And you know McVeigh tends to
do this. He won't play his rookies early and the
fans will complain about have come Terrence Ferguson's not playing.
(52:48):
But tight end as difficult, as you know, because tight
ends don't have to block. You know, in the NFL
you have to block. In college, you can kind of play. Now,
there are some programs like Michigan Harbaugh makes his tight
ends block, Utah Kyle Whittingham makes his tight ends block.
A lot of these guys don't, so you know, they
spread it out and they're just they're like they're like
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receivers that are a little bit slower but bigger. But
I watched the Rams in the first half, and I'm like,
this is an organizational win. They're such Jacksonville is just
just kind of a little loose and I think you
saw one of the most efficient, well runned organizations in
the sport and one of the loosest organizations in the sport.
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And that's what I watched, because Jacksonville had the yards,
the yards per play, and they just unraveled and mashed
thirty five to seven.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
One thing, Colin, if you look the last couple of years, right,
these last two years they won ten and ten, right,
So twenty games he has thrown in twenty three through
twenty four touchdowns and last year he threw twenty touchdowns
and this year, like he's on pace for probably in
the mid thirties. So if you're getting the guy with
the way their defense is playing. I saw Schrager up
(54:00):
Chris Shula, who deserves a lot of credit. He's been
excellent as defensive coordinator. But if you're getting thirty five
ish touchdowns out of Stafford, like this isn't a ten
win team, it's a twelve or thirteen win team, you know,
with that defense and that potency. I mean DeVante Adams
he's just a pro, but he doesn't work with every
quarterback like part of the reason him and Jimmy look
so lost, or even him and Derek Carr like their
(54:20):
accuracy they're touching the red zones not the same you
saw Stafford today. I mean he can do that shit
with his eyes closed. I mean, well some of those
pinpoint over the shoulder, over the dB like that. That
is going to be a potent weapon for them to
go when Puoka's healthy. That you like them in those
big games like down the stretch of the season.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I mean Marvin Harrison and Deavonte Adams and George
Pickens are great. They don't necessarily separate Ceedee Lamb and
Justin Jefferson separate. Rashi Rice has the ability. He separates.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
DeVante Smith separates.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Totally separates, but George Pickens doesn't. He's just a great player,
remember and Kwon Bolden just throw it up like Davante.
I think he did separate more, probably four or five
years ago. But what he is is strong long. I
mean again, some of these receivers have kind of an
NBA quality where big hands really long. They're just strong.
(55:16):
So DeVante needs the right quarterback. George Pickens has never
looked this consistently good. Well, Dak Prescart's a huge part
of that equation because Dak knows where to throw it.
So some guys separate. That's you know in the NBA,
they always say the great players can score without a screen.
They get their own shot. And I've talked to gms
(55:36):
in the NBA that say, it's not nearly as many
people as you think can get their own shot. It's
a lot of MJ's and Kobe's and you know SGA's,
but you know, Luca, most guys need a screen, most
guys need a.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Toomp's the Hall of Famer couldn't get his own shot.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
That's right. In the end, NFL, you think all these
guys are on four to two Eight's a lot of
these guys don't separate. It's everybody plays zone. Everybody can bracket.
Justin Jefferson today had to cash up the sideline and
just literally caught it, looked trapped and just sprinted down
the side, just flew past pro athletes. You're like, Jesus,
this guy is past like eagle players are just flying.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
He was trapped.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
He's a ran right past everybody. But I think I
think DeVante without Pooka there today, It's like, okay, this
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last NFL thought Cleveland beats Miami. I think thirty one
to six. They bench to it too is horrible no
touchdowns three picks. Cleveland now is one in five. They
(58:06):
no longer. The Jets are going to get the number
one pick. It looks like Mendoz at Indiana, Dante More
whoever they picked, maybe Ty Simpson from Alabama. Cleveland's actually functional.
Cleveland is well coached. Cleveland. I think that running back
int of Ohio State had a hell of a day Milesgarre.
Cleveland's a functional team. I think they traded Flacco away
because they thought they'd win six games with Flacco. I
(58:28):
really do. I think they thought, God, we beat Green Bay,
We're going to win five to six games here. We
don't want to do that. Miami. They're not the Jets
or the Titans. Miami is a disaster. I mean, to me,
i'd move everybody, the GM. The coach in Tua. I
think somebody would buy to a Dome team or something.
(58:50):
I mean, do you think Tua has a market?
Speaker 2 (58:53):
No? I mean he mayn't wagh too much money. No,
it makes too much money. You know. Part of their
problem has always been and like when weather changes, they struggle,
and it makes sense, right, I mean, they live in
ninety degrees, what three hundred and fifty days a year.
It's pretty beautiful. Their coach today looked so uncomfortable on
the sideline, like he was cold. If he represents that,
(59:15):
what do you think the team? Everything about one thing
that's Cleveland's defense is really good, Like they are not
a bad you put their unit on like the Steelers,
you'd have a Super Bowl contender. You can combine their
offense with that defense. But Miami, like we knew this offseason.
They told us right, And I honestly defended Tua in
(59:36):
his comments last week about the people late, like it's
not your job, Like it's not Seal Team six's job
to create the missions they get told what to do.
It's the coach's job to set the discipline. So when
you get all these players being late, that's you know,
even Peyton Manning or Tom Brady like they need the
head coach or the GM to set the tone in
(59:57):
the organization. Then they can help voice it out. But
like it starts with Mike McDaniel and really the GM
the type guys that you bring into your organization. So
when you see these high level teams that win a lot,
it's because the type human beings they bring into the
locker room and you bring. If you look at Miami,
like there's not really a rhyme or reason to anything
(01:00:18):
they've done. And everyone's coming down on Tua, which he's not.
He's having an atrocious season, but like it's to me,
it's way above his head, Like he's just he's a
cog in this thing, and he is a functional player.
If he made twenty million dollars one hundred percent, someone
problem is he's got this enormous contract. I don't think
unless they ate some of the money or you know,
(01:00:40):
I'm not saying he's not movable, but he's kind of
like a Kyler Murray situation. Money's way too much.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I think they're gonna draft like a Tye Simpson with
like the fifth pick, and then I think they're gonna pay.
What they're gonna do is what Denver did with bo
Nicks is like we're just gonna eat some dead cap.
Can we get somebody to pay a little bit of it?
I mean, Denver's been fine with all that dead cap.
I mean the dead CAP's funny if if you remember
all the people Denver flushed out, they didn't flush out
the general manager. Sean Payton likes the general manager. He
(01:01:07):
could have easily just said I'm doing it. I mean
Denver because they drafted well and they hit on bow nicks.
You can You're fine with that dead cap stuff. You
just have to hit on like four or five draft picks.
And Greer hasn't shown the ability to Miami to do that.
But you know, it's funny. I want to transition to college.
So you know, I watched Ty Simpson this weekend. I
(01:01:28):
watched Mendoza for Indiana. I think Dante More is good.
I think there's three really good college quarterbacks. Nuss Meyer's okay,
it's just not the guys we thought. Drew Aller to me,
isn't a first round quarterback. I don't feel it. I
don't think he has the jew. Some of it was coaching.
Cave Kludnik is actually like Jackson Dart. He can actually move,
(01:01:48):
He's got a decent arm, He's talented. I don't know
how I feel about him. But I was sitting there
looking at the mock draft last Friday before I did
the Herd. It's the same teams, you know, It's all
the same kind of teams. And I really do think
I was watched a lot of college football the last
three weeks. Ohio State's the only great team I think
(01:02:14):
Indiana Bama, and I'm gonna say Notre Dame. So Notre Dame.
I predicted they'd win by ten and run the ball
because I and they did. I think Notre Dame's good.
I don't think they're great, but I don't think any
of it. I don't think Ohio State's great. I think
Ohio State's defense is great. I think Carnell Tate the receiver,
(01:02:34):
is a sensational player. Like the NFL, I think there's
one really special team and then it's just a bunch
of good. But I think I was watching Marcus Freeman
and his agent texted me because I said, you have
to pay Marcus Freeman whatever the market bears. You can't
let him go. Notre Dame is a better job to
me than Penn State. But Marcus Freeman is what a
(01:02:56):
college coach should be today. Young, handsome, energetic recruiter, smart,
just like to tough. He's tough like his teams. But
I'll be honest with you. I said years ago Nebraska's done,
and I think they are. I'm surprised at how good
(01:03:18):
Notre Dame is. I think Notre Dame can go toe.
I think Notre Dame is one of the few teams
that can go toe to toe with Ohio State. I
think they have the quarterback. I think they have the
run game. I think they have the intelligence. It's not
just that they beat USC, but I mean they ran
at will against USC. They looked really impressive. All right.
I mean, Marcus Freeman, do you stay at Notre Dame?
(01:03:41):
Because I think he's I don't think there's a job
in college he would leave for. I think he stays
forever at Notre Dame. But I watch him and I'm like,
I listened to him. I watch him, I follow their recruiting.
I think he's the next college guy to go pro.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah. To me, the only job I would leave him
would be Ohio States, where he played. Uh, you're not
leaving Notre Dame for Penn State. I mean you were
just in the National championship game. They're gonna make the
playoffs again, like they're going to run the table. Yes,
and they are. They have probably the best running back
combo in the league. I mean, how good that George
Jeremiah Love is just but but the backup that had
the big kickoff return is a stud too.
Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
He's that good.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I think he might go if if if Ashton Jenty
can go six, he can go in the top ten.
For sure. Here's the thing. At an academic power, you
can build it. And Brian Kelly did this, you know,
dominate the offensive line, dominate the running backs, and dominate
the defensive personnel. And that's how they're there, That's how
they're built, and that translates, especially now these playoff games
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are in the first round, which they're always going to
have to play because they're probably not going to get
a buye. Well, they're definitely not this year, cold environment. Well,
what translates. They're running the ball, playing defense. Yeah, I
actually thought USC was pretty impressive. You know, I didn't
expect them to be that close as they were, and
they had the lead at one point before the kid
returned it to the house. But yeah, I mean I
(01:05:05):
think I also think it's really really difficult to judge
these teams now and look at Georgia. Georgia couldn't stop
Lane Kiffin for three quarters every single drive touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
The day and age of these dominant teams going back
to Pete carroll A or Urban Meyer and Knicks, they're done.
The transfer portal, even a good backup, and you like
(01:05:26):
the coach, you just leave. So I think we got
to look at it a little bit differently. But that's
what's fun about this. You now, like Miami, you have
no chance to win a national championship with Carson beck
As you're starting quarterback right now? Can they win a
playoff game? It's their talent for sure? Are they gonna
win three straight playoff games with that guy playing quarterback?
Did you see his comments after the game? He's pointing
the finger at other people. That's the type stuff like
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that's not flying at Georgia that Kirby Smart would that
would not fly with Marcus Freeman. Saban would have had
a conniption. I bet Mario's not happy about those comments.
But you buy a guy, you pay him, what's seven
million dollars in free agency, he say whatever he wants.
And that's where I think, like the culture at Notre Dame,
like they started owing too. But you know what, it
turns out they lost two pretty good teams. It wasn't
the end of the year. And that's what this playoff
(01:06:10):
thing it doesn't you know, back not that many years ago,
you lost one game and it was over. Now it's
a little more fun and it's the regular season. I
don't know, to you, it still feels as powerful as ever.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
No, I mean I watch all the games. I never
bought into that the sky is falling. Nonsense. The bottom
line is the portal has really helped the rest of
the country because it was lobsided. The SEC had backup
corners that were better than everybody else's starters. Well, you
know Georgia and Bama. Now Bama's struggling to keep up
in the Nile. They don't have the money I mean
(01:06:42):
fans to chip in.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
One theory I have and I wrote this down yesterday. Vanderbilt,
I mean Brian Kelly. He has been passed now by
Ole Miss and now Vanderbilt like Vanderbilt work them. That
was a lopsided game. The score does not reflect what
I watched. Nashville. Is your daughter still live in Nashville?
Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Booming city, I mean money is flowing there. Scottsdale, ASU
just beat Texas Tech, who has a twenty eight million
dollar These cities that are booming before you need a booster,
and you still do.
Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
If you're Texas Tech, you got this billionaire. If you're Oregon,
you got this billionaire, but not all these universities are
just gonna have billionaire. Sometimes you're just gonna need Scottsdale
has all these corporations moving here, so the athletic department
might not have individuals, But what if I can go
to corporations and get them to be part of the program.
So it's like Carvana or door Dash or whoever. In Nashville,
all these hubs, you can start going to them, They're
(01:07:32):
gonna want to be involved in football. It's an advantage
to be usc these big cities. Like how is some
of these po done places. It's gonna be a little difficult.
I'm watching. Well, yeah, the school in Nashville is gonna
have advantages that Baton Rouge in the NIL is simply
not gonna have undeniable So like Ohio State a little
(01:07:53):
bit of an outlier some of these big ten schools,
but some of these SEC schools, like watch out for
Vanderbilt because they're gonna have money flowing into their program.
Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Yeah, I mean I made this prediction three years ago,
and it may have been offensive, but I said, in
these small southern towns, sometimes you're number two. Booster is
a car dealer and There's nothing wrong with being a
BMW dealer. I own a BMW. I love BMW, but
that shouldn't be your second richest donor if you're a
top eight college football program, it should be like you know,
(01:08:23):
I mean at Michigan they have multiple billionaires and venture capitalists,
and the Big ten schools are bigger. They're just bigger universities,
and they flood the zone and then they circle back
to their program. So this is something I said three
years ago. It's one of the things I thought that
would save the Pac twelve. It didn't, but I thought
it would. Is the explosion of the nil because of
(01:08:45):
all the Apple and Google Pac twelve kids. But the
truth is those aren't sports fans. They don't care about football.
So a lot of those USC UCLA grads, you know,
they don't give back to the program. But the Big
Ten Andrew.
Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Andrew Locke got fifty million dollar from a guy, Like
how many schools just have a guy that could just
hand you fifty millions?
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Insane? By the way, Stanford beat Florida State. Want a win,
It's crazy? Okay, I want to wrap with this. So
I always thought the greatest athlete, not the most dominant.
Serena is probably the most dominant, or Michael Phelps and
swimming is the most dominant. Usain Bolt. But the greatest
athlete I thought I had ever seen was a guy
(01:09:25):
named Carl Lewis. So Carl Lewis was in track and field.
He was a very unique personality, not really appealing to
the masses, I guess. But in nineteen eighty four he
goes to the LA Olympics and he wins the one
hundred meters, the two hundred meter, the long jump, I mean,
winning any of those sensational. He wins all of them,
and he win's a four by one hundred, so he
wins like four golds. Then he goes to Soul in
(01:09:45):
eighty eight and he mostly duplicates it. Then he goes
to Barcelona in ninety two and he mostly duplicates it.
And forget the PanAm Games or the Goodwill Games, or
the World Championships in Tokyo and Helsinki and Stuttegarten, Rome
or wherever they are. Then he comes back to it
in ninety six, starts in eighty four ninety six. I
mean there was just like a twelve year period. It
(01:10:07):
was pan Am, Goodwill World Championship's, Olympics. He was dominated
in everything. And then I'm watching Otani Friday, and I'm like,
Babe Ruth did not pitch and hit simultaneously. And remember
the split finger fastball kind of came into baseball in
the seventies or eighties with Bruce Souiter. Remember Bruce Suery
(01:10:27):
pitched for the Cardinals and Cubs. He was a relief pitcher.
He want to sigy up and he was a He
was the first guy to throw a split finger fastball.
Babe Ruth didn't face that stuff that those guys in
the twenties and thirties and forties fifties, they weren't facing
split finger fastball. For Otani to walk into this sport,
to be a power hitter, to have that speed to
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hit for average, to be a dominant ace, he may
have one of the top five splitters in baseball. His fastball,
he punches out Jackson Curio in the first inning at
one hundred. All of his off speed ranking stuff is
above average. It's very good. Then he hits it out
of the stadium. But I was sitting there watching and
I'm like, I think, how good Reggie Jackson was? I mean,
(01:11:09):
Reggie Jackson was World Series MVP's iconic five hundred and
fifty plus home runs. Reggie Jackson was a terrible fielder,
didn't run the bases, not a good teammate. I think
o Toanni is the greatest athlete I've ever seen. I mean,
Michael Jordan wasn't a great passer, he wasn't a great
deep ball shooter. He was a great offensive, mid range player,
(01:11:31):
rest relentless, and a great on ball defender. But I'm
watching Otani and I'm like, he's a top top eight pitcher.
I mean, he's a top base stealer when he wants to.
I just I sat there watching and I'm like Jesus
to just be an elite pitcher. Hell, guys can't stay healthy.
(01:11:55):
Snell Glass, no Dodgers, nobody can stay healthy. I just
watching that game, I thought, this is the greatest single
athlete I've ever seen in any sport. That was my
take on it.
Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Well, it's definitely the greatest game that's ever been played.
Ten strikeouts, three home runs in the NLCS, Like, that's
something you see the kid in the Little League that's
going to be on all the travel teams. That's twelve
years old. You wouldn't even you'd be hard pressed to
find that in high school, you know. I think LA
this year had a couple guys that were drafted in
the top ten, like high school players. I would be
shocked because typically now that they focus on one, they're
(01:12:28):
not playing both ways. So the guys in the league pitcher,
he's just pitching, if the guys in the league hit,
or he's just playing shortstop. I vividly remember when he
first started playing for Anaheim, because you had heard all
this hype and the Giants tried to sign him coming
out of Japan. I didn't realize how tall and fast
he was. And I remember, like a ball that most
power hitters do not make it a second. He not
only made it a second, he was there with ease,
(01:12:49):
and you went, holy shit, But you see that, guys.
If Shoheo Tani was born in Los Angeles or Dallas,
Texas or something, he's probably a quarterback right potentially, he's
six foot five, two hundred and ten pounds. He's definitely
playing a lot of different sports growing up. Who knows,
maybe basketball as well. I mean maybe because he's athletically
he's an elite athlete. Yes, you know you watch the Yankees,
(01:13:13):
it's like all their players look the same. You watched
the I remember two years ago going to a spring
training game with Maria and we had really good seats
and I was like, I thought, Mookie Betts is an
outfielder and he's playing short and second base. I'm like,
this is insane. It's like this guy I thought. I
thought he played like right field in centerfield, he can
play shortstop and he had to play in this series.
(01:13:34):
Then it was like Derek Jeter is like, so they're
two best players. And I saw, you know, Matt Muney Smith,
he had charger games with him and DJ came down.
I played golf with them like last year. But I
saw this clip that he posted interviewing Andrew Friedman and
he's like, what do you say to everyone saying you
just bought this team? And He's like, we play all
these teams that have all these star player players, and
(01:13:56):
I see none of them out early. You know, three
o'clock in the afternoon. You come out and you watch
the Dodgers, Mookie Bett, Shoeo, all of our star players,
Freddie Freeman are doing extra work, like Peyton Manning, Tom
Brady tiger Wood style. So it's like this isn't random
their greatness. Obviously they have freak talents, but like clearly
(01:14:17):
from a team building standpoint, like really they they kind
of got like a Patriot vibe going, like they're all
just it's like, this is a serious group. Now. Obviously
show hey, you know, because he didn't pitch that well
this year, no Granny was coming back off the injury.
But he's got a pitch like that and hit like that.
It's like there's never been that home run. Listen, I'm
a Barry I'm a Giants fan at heart. That's a
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Barry Bonds level home run on the cream and the
clear with Balco, right, I mean, that's that was That
was insane. How far that ball you can see it?
Do you remember when Barry hit the ball against Anaheim
in the two World Series and I think Tim Salmon
was in the it was in the dugout and he mouthed,
that's the farthest ball I've ever seen hit. Obviously, you
know Barry was kind of a mutant by then. The
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Dodgers faces in the dugout all kind of had that vibe.
I know, we've never seen a ball hit this far.
Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Ever, Yeah, it's it's just remarkable to watch him. And
you know I've said this, I think the Dodgers are
the best run organization in North America. Max Munsey, the
A's cut him. I mean, Tommy Edmund was a two
sixty hitter in Saint Louis. He was a good fielder.
Cardinals were like, we don't want to pay him. He
was the NLCS MVP. I mean, Glassno's always had good
(01:15:28):
stuff six seven, but he can't stay healthy. So let mean,
there's no question they can roll what the Dodgers biggest
advantage isn't just like oh Otani because other teams could
have paid for him, but great players want to play
for the Dodgers. Because Otani comes up I five to
the Dodgers, he has better people hitting in front of
him and behind him, and the pressure isn't for him
(01:15:49):
to go four for four. Oh Tani had a terrible
series until that game Friday. He couldn't get So I
think it's it's like one of these things. There's a
reason five star players want to go play for Ohio
State or Georgia because you're surrounded by better players, right,
And it's like that if you're a great like Freddie
Freeman was playing for Atlanta, but it's like, look who's
hitting in front of me, Look who's hitting behind me?
(01:16:10):
You get better pitches.
Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Well, I would say this, you would say Otani and
Mookie Betts. You know, Manny and Poppy were incredible power
but neither of them could run. I mean it's got
to be when you talk about all around game, the
two most talented players that have ever played together, I mean,
how do you beat that? Offensively and defensively. You've seen
a lot of these duos one to just mash. I
(01:16:32):
bet you know Mannel and Garrig if we go back
to the history of the sport, but we've never seen
two guys that are this good on defense and one
guy can pitch ten strikeouts against the team that just
won ninety seven games. It's not like he's playing a
team that won eighty games. I mean that team was
weren't the Brewers of Powerhouse. Then they go like a
month without losing a game.
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three and out. We crushed Let's go watch some football.
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