Colin Cowherd Podcast - Chiefs OWN Lamar Jackson, Dart’s Solid Debut, Eagles Win Ugly, Steelers Best Win In Years, Ryder Cup - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Bon appetite Uber Eats. All right, John Middlecoff and I

(01:09):
we got a lot to talk about. We may slip
in some Oregon Penn State and Ryder Cup in about
an hour. Yeah, let's start with the big game of
the day. Let's break down six or seven big games.
Chiefs thirty seven, Ravens twenty. They tacked on a late touchdown.
Lamar's now one in six against Kansas City. They had

(01:29):
a lot of defensive injuries, but that's not the story.
The story is Lamar. I mean, to me, John, Kansas
City is in his head. You know, obviously when you're
missing six defensive starters. I mean, Mahomes four drives, four
scores to start, like four touchdown passes. He broke the
all time record fastest quarterback to two hundred and fifty touchdowns,

(01:52):
which we all knew he was going to do. So
the defense it doesn't help. But I feel that Kansas
City is in Lamar's head, do you definitely?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean, the Steelers have been over the years and
now Kansas City. It's undebatable. I also think this, and listen,
he's a fantastic player, He's an incredible talent, but these
last two weeks he's led a pretty You talk a
lot about privileged lives at quarterback on offense, like the
real sports starts when your tight end chatters his leg,

(02:21):
your right guard gets the dui, he gets suspended, and
then a wide receiver goes down in the first series
of the game. It's like, then what do you do? Yeah,
and we've seen mahomes now for two years. But I'd
say also look at Josh Allen. His defense has been
average at best over the years. Lamar. I would imagine
his worst defense was last year, and by the end
of the year it was really good. Two years ago,

(02:42):
they had the number one defense in the league most
of his career because of the team he got drafted by.
Right it's basically like defense U in football. The Baltimore Ravens, well,
what's going on right now? A bunch of injuries. Their
two best defensive lineman Van Oay's kind of a hybrid.
Yeah gone, Roquand gets hurt today. I mean their defense
is just a shell of itself. It's like, okay, and
listen the Ravens. How many times did they win games?

(03:04):
I bet if we looked over the last three or
four years, like forty five thirteen. Yeah, so they roll
you when they get up. But it's like, okay, you
got to have to win this game. The Lions are
used to that thirty five, thirty two, let's go the Ravens.
You know, that's just he doesn't have to do that
a lot for my years. And all of a sudden
he's looking. It's like you're back on the field. You know,

(03:24):
they just scored another point. It's just it's a different
that they don't feel like the Purple team we're used
to watching because defensively and that has to throw him
off and it puts more pressure on him and they've
kind of cracked. I would say the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I had two first half turnovers. I mean, they
got themselves into a hole and I let me throw
this at you. I've always said the reason he dominates
the NFC, and he is, No, he's it's like twenty
five and two debatable. Yeah, yeah, they don't see him.
Spags has now seen him seven times. So in my

(03:57):
take on Lamar, I remember the first year he started playing.
I think he beat the Chargers the first time he
played him that first rookie year. Then in the second
time he played the Chargers in the playoffs, if I recall,
they had a little bit better beat on him. And
it's all fuzzy to me, but I was told very
early on you do get a little bit of a

(04:20):
beat on him. He's just so dynamic you can't get
your arms run well. Spags has seen him now so
many times. It's a very good and very healthy and
a fast defense and then all of a sudden you
jump out to a lead. And I mean, I think
some of this is not that there's a secret sauce,
but Spags is great. His defense is great, and they

(04:40):
kind of mostly contained him tonight.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well because the last two weeks, you know, Dan Campbell
set the blueprint and you went, well, you know, Spags,
who already had a blueprint, is going to utilize that
throughout the week of basically corralling him. Now again, he
might juke you out and make a move every once
in a while, but if you don't just run up
aimlessly and let him just get an easy ten yards
with his eyes closed, it's harder for him to operate.

(05:04):
And remember, for a long time, you know, Dax team
now stinks, but it was like when he didn't when
he got to pass the ball less than they ran it,
he was really really effective. Lamar had that stat going forever.
When the Ravens have more rushing attempts than pass attempts.
They're gonna be really dangerous. Why is that they up
in the second half handing the ball off and they

(05:25):
just kind of roll you, they lean on you. Well
today seventeen rush attempts, twenty pass attempts like that is
not their formula, the way they're playing. And obviously you
know the turnovers, I mean when he's turning the ball over.
Now we have and he's not the only culpert. Derek
Henry has been a major problem for him this year.
They're out of sink and they they have these injuries.

(05:47):
Like you know, the Chiefs, you could tell it's like, Okay,
they beat the Giants, they win this game, they get
right back into the mix. I'm sure we'll talk about
the Chargers. They got a million injuries right now. Like
it's open again for the Chiefs. You look at the
Ravens and you go this kind of their year from hell,
like the forty nine Ers last year. You just lose
a million players and all of a sudden you're seven
and ten.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, And to your point, I joke with Jamack all week,
I'm like, it doesn't people don't understand it. It's not
like Xavier Worthy is a one. But when you don't
have a one, two or a three, he's a damn
good two. So he had a ton of targets, nice catches,
a couple of man, he was wide open on a
couple of them. So to me, when you watch Xavier Worthy,
they still don't have a run game. But check o hunh.

(06:26):
That's not gonna work big picture. But not every team
that gets to the playoffs, it's Philadelphia. Not everybody's a
great run team. What the run team does, it picks
up first downs and it helps your defense. So I
think they're gonna have to establish that. But when I
watched them today with Thornton, Juju Smith, Zavier Worthy, my
take was, and I'm not sure if yours was, well,

(06:47):
if they get Rashi Rice back, okay, now Thornton, now Worthy,
now Rice, Juju Smith, Travis kelcey, okay, that's more than
good enough with Patrick Mahomes if they can just be
Ridge running the ball. But Worthy today it was pretty
clear that he has a relationship with Mahomes, and it's
it's it's pretty good. Well.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
One thing I wrote down is, you know Tkon Taekwon.
Thornton was once a second round pick. You know, that
was a late second round pick by the Patriots. But
he has a touchdown in each of the last three weeks.
So you get Worthy back, You get this guy who
could fly, get him some confidence. You get Rice back. Hollywood.
Brown is just a solid contributed member, Like he can
get you five six catches every game. Juju can just

(07:32):
do some dirty work over the middle of the field.
Their passing game looks a little bit better. Big picture,
this is why they win today. They're two and two.
You look at the rest of you know, the AFC,
some of the injuries their own in their own division,
and the Chargers. I mean, you just you can't just
start overcoming missing elite players, especially at the offensive line.
You go, got it. I like their offense now again,

(07:53):
we talked about this last week with the Bears. I
just said, let's pump the brakes on the you know,
against the Cowboys defense. He saw today, like the Bears
offense is going to be up and down. And I
will say the same thing with this Chiefs against this
Baltimore defense, which is have major issues, but they also
have one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and
one of the greatest coaches of all time and coaches
the offense. Yeah, so I would be bullish on the

(08:14):
unit moving forward for sure from an explosive standpoint, and
you add Worthy to go with Thornton's speed, you can
just stretch the field and those possession receivers in Brown
and Juju and even Travis who clearly gets up for
bigger games, clearly Kennett, and you just keep him healthy
towards you a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, everybody's got a hole outside of Philadelphia. So
their defense is good. They have the best head coach
coordinator combo in the league once they get Rice back,
more than adequate, probably above average receiving corpse, superstar head
coach quarterback. I thought the O line was good. Andy
Reid has rebuilt it three times since since Mahomes arrived,
Like if they've been patchworking it. You know, they lose Tuney,

(08:57):
it's gonna take a while. They don't have a great
run game. I'm not even sure how serviceable it will be.
But as I watched them today, I'm like, Okay, they're
a game back of the Chargers, and the Chargers now,
I mean, I don't know what's happening with Joealt, but
you're not with a division. If you don't have Joealt
or Rashawn Slater, not even Harbaugh can pull that rabbit out. So,

(09:18):
I mean, I looked at him today and maybe I'm
overly optimistic, but I said it all week. I said, Worthy,
we'll get ten targets, six seven catches, and then Travis Kelcey.
And it's just like anything else when you've been in
any industry fifteen years. You and I, you know, our
Sunday pod feels different than one in May, right, Like

(09:40):
it's like Travis Kelsey's been around multiple surgeries. I watch
him in these spots and I'm like, Okay, it's different.
He's fine. I don't know. I came out of it.
And again the injuries are part of it. But I
and I have defended Lamar forever. But he had two turnovers.
It's pretty clear there's an anxiety that he know, if

(10:00):
it's a therapy thing, he just say what you want
about Josh Allen. He's been highly effective against Belichick. Against
the Chiefs, Josh Allen loses. It's usually on the defense.
I think it's totally on Lamar's head.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well, I mean, if you gave the Chiefs Andy and
Spags the opportunity, who would you rather play at quarterback?
They wouldn't even hesitate and say, lamar right, the data
is in. Yeah, check Josh's data versus them in the
regular season and in the playoffs. He has been excellent
against Kansas City. But yeah, I mean, I think Kansas
City has to be I thought the whole time. I

(10:36):
know his numbers haven't looked good, But watching Patrick Mahomes
last week, in the second half, early in the season,
a couple in couple of the losses, the one against Phildel,
I think he's played really well fame here. He's just
completely under control. I bet if you went to sitting
in Andy's office tomorrow, he's like, I was not worried
at all over the losses with how a quarterback. I
felt good. Yeah, I thought it was on the other guys.

(10:57):
You know, So I actually think you know, Patrick has
been a little up and down in previous years. Remember
he had an awful interception streak. Yeah, I think for
the most part, he's he's been playing at a really,
really high level. His numbers just don't look like fifty
touchdowns anymore. But I just go that's one of the
best players in the league.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, the numbers don't reflect his quality of play. I
thought he had two throws today and a scramble. The
one where he ran over the line and came back
didn't count, but it was like it was really a
clever play to set up time. I also thought he
had a side arm throw to Juju Smith Schuster. It
was so quick and so fast with such velocity, and

(11:33):
I'm like, nobody else can do that. Stafford does it.
It doesn't look like that, So I'm with you. I
think Kansas City now is again a top six team
and maybe five. I mean, the Chargers tackle situation is bad,
and let's just go to the Charger game next. So
the Giants beat the Chargers twenty one eighteen, so elite

(11:54):
neighbors could be out for the year. But the story,
which I thought was pretty substantial. If if you look
at the numbers and you didn't watch the game, you
wouldn't be impressed with Jackson Dart. But the Giants, between
Dart and Scataboo rushed for over one hundred and sixty yards.
He had seven rushes. They were excellent on third down.

(12:16):
I thought Jackson Dart was pretty damn good. Neighbors hurt early,
so you don't have that. He had ten scrambles for
fifty five yards. I thought he was clever, kind of
worked between the tackles. We know he has a decent arm.
I don't know. Again, the Chargers had Herbert was hit
fourteen times, so this is like a problem. Last week

(12:39):
he was hit fourteen times. But I thought Jackson Dart,
I mean, I'm watching all these college quarterbacks. Dante Moore
looks like a great quarterback. CJ. Carrett, Notre Dame, the
rest of them, I would sell some stock. I thought
Jackson Dart looked pretty good.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, he definitely gave him an energy to start the game.
I mean they get upset to nothing. He has that,
you know, the quarterback draw made some throws obviously throughout
the game. He keeps plays alive with his legs that
Russell no longer was doing. There's all. There was also
like a youthful, I don't know, craziness to him. I

(13:15):
mean he's trying to run guys over. He had the
one play that got called back on the hole where
he's he got to be. I mean he could have
broke his hand, he could have broke his finger, it's
his throwing hand. But he I think he's so amped up.
He's playing like he would be against Mississippi State or Tennessee.
It's like, you got to be a little more careful
in the NFL, especially against this team. But he definitely,

(13:36):
I mean you skataboo. The moment he's gotten in the
games last couple of weeks. You can feel his energy
and his physicality. He just adds something right. He is
looking to hit someone hard, and I think the team
feeds off it. And today you know their passing game
now at Neighbors, I would assume his niece done. The
passing game is going to be a struggle. The numbers
are not going to look pretty good or good at all,

(13:57):
but definitely Dark gives them something that Russell no longer does. So.
I also think when you look at the Chargers, they're
the defensive line for the for the for the Giants
is excellent. I mean, Burns is a fantastic player, Lawrence
a monster. Kavon's even better. I think that he's played
earlier in his career. Uh And obviously they just they

(14:18):
fly around, so you start losing. The Chargers have a
domino effect problem because Alt is there because the left
tackles down he's supposed to play right tackle, so the
backup right tackle is at right tackle. Well, then he
goes down beck that you know, you start shuffling. All
of a sudden, you got backups and third stringers in
different spots against I mean, I don't know how much

(14:38):
they may combined. But the Giants defense, they're paying a
lot of money, yes, and they've invested a lot of resources,
so he is. I thought Herbert Mason throws a day
where it looked like he was gonna lose knees and limbs.
I mean, he's just getting cut off, he's getting destroyed.
That's not as sustainable. Now. I like the Giants today
because I went, well, you go thirteen and four East
Coast game early, more the juice of the new quarterback.

(15:02):
So I thought they were gonna lose or at least
this game was gonna be close. But then now when
you look big picture, you go all high ankle sprain
for a big guy that could be a month. So
it's like you got problems, you know, and it feels
like Herbert's gonna have to be running for his life.
He can do that, but man, I don't feel as
good as I did about them a week ago.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Now Hampton O Mario Hampton had a couple of big runs.
It was funny I wrote this down. He had a
fifty four yard touchdown run and I wrote, okay, he's
worth the number one pick. They need a horse. Naujie
Harris is done for the year. So I thought, Amrio
Hampton likes Ashton Genty, who will get to in a minute.
Ashton looked the part today. He had a very good day,
his best day as a pro. I thought Hampton had

(15:43):
his best day. And again the Chargers had three hundred
and forty yards. Giants only had two fifty.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So they're passing game this year. To me, won Greg
Romas is calling passes NonStop two because you know Keenan
Allen adds with McConkey and then Johnston, the TCU kid
is been fantastic. He's been relative to the bar.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh, I mean, you know, you look at neighbors who
everybody looks at and goes, what a home run? Neighbors
can't stay on the field. He can't stay on the field.
And Quintin Johnson, who was a bust when Jim Harbar
arrived clearly in the off season. They're like, dude, you
have a you're a unicorn. Your body type is different.
They have gone aggressively downfield with him, and he's delivered.

(16:26):
He had a drop problem for about a year and
a half, and you know, so I think the good
news for them Hampton can play. Quinton Johnson's done a bust.
You know, Joe will return of all high ankle sprains
or like what do they call hit pointers, you just
calf injuries like that. Yeah, you know, they just annoying.

(16:47):
But in the end, I still feel that defense most
of the time is going to win games. I think
it's not sustainable, but Herbert's kind of a Josh Allen type,
a Cam Newton type age. It's pretty sustainable, but it's
not in like four years.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, Quinn Johnson's just adding it up. Has twenty two
catches and four touchdowns through four games. So you at
him with Keenan and Ladi mconkey all of a sudden,
you go, well, do I have an eighty catch, ten
to twelve touchdown, deep threat and explosive player. Because if
I can put that, that's what they lacked. I mean
last year all they had was mconkey over the middle,

(17:25):
and listen, sometimes guys are late bloomers. There have been.
Terrell Owens is one of the greatest players in the
history of the league. Didn't have great hands when you
are DK Metcalf. I don't think he's known for having
Marvin Harrison senior hands. But when you are a physical
freak and can fly like Quinn Johnson can, you can
get by with dropping some balls. And I forget who
was calling the game today, but he said they asked

(17:47):
Keenan Allen. You were here a couple of years ago
with him when he was young, and now you're here
with him and now he's playing, Well, what's the difference.
He's like, honestly, just way more confident. And that's where
I think Harbaugh gets a lot of credit is over
the years and he has to do this, you know,
in college. He gets to build them up when they're
seventeen eighteen. Confidence is like that jump from high school
to college. It's just different. You get to mold the

(18:08):
young guy in the NFL. All of a sudden, you
can feel overwhelmed, I'm not good enough. Harball had proved
it with the forty nine ers, and he's proven it
here again. He can take guys. Alex Smith was shot.
When I was with the Eagles, we were going to
sign Alex Smith to be our backup quarterback. Harball wouldn't
let him go. He believed in him, and he created
the rocket ship that went on to get traded and
become a playoff quarterback for a long period of time.

(18:29):
Because some people are like, oh, it's kind of cheesy
as hyperbolic, it works. These guys are young men, These
guys are very fickle human beings, rightfully, so this is difficult.
And he deserves a lot of credit because I remember
last year when he was dropping some balls. Some of
these coaches, I mean could be angry, you know your boy,
Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan. It's hard for them to be

(18:49):
be as fake positive sometimes and Jim's pretty good at that.
And I got to give him a lot of credit
with this specific player because last year he could have
just kind of thrown him in the trash, did he not.
He kind of kept publicly building him up, and he's
seeing the fruits of that now.

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(19:50):
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Happy Valley all Right in one of the wildest, ugliest
games of the season, the Bears because of a late

(20:10):
last second miss block field goal. The Bears beat the
Raiders twenty five twenty four and the reason this is
important the Raiders. Thank god Geno Smith is in the league.
He basically lost the game for the Raiders today. He
had three picks. He's got really really tenuous judgment in
big spots. The Bears were a mess. I mean they

(20:30):
had a fourth and one false start, they had a
huge third and five and the snap Caleb wasn't ready
for it. I mean, I Ashton Genty arrives. So if
you're a Raider fan, Ashton Genty looked the part. Gino
was awful, and I think you and I both said it.
Pete knows him, Pete trusted him. It's so weird because

(20:50):
Pete hates interceptions and Gino leads the NFL and picks.
I think he's got now like six or seven leads
the NFL. He's the opposite of what Pete Carroll likes.
He does not take care of the ball. But in
the end, you know, I will say this about Kayleb Williams.
He made a couple of throws. Cole Kament dropped a
big ball today that he had a couple of bad drops.

(21:14):
He they won. He was the better quarterback. It's imperfect,
but do you just if you're the Bears. Do you go,
we won a road game. We don't win road games.
I mean that, I look at it and I think
to myself, Hey, our defense made plays. That's part of football.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah. I thought he made some big plays when that
final drive scrambling around, you know, it's I just looked
up on the four box on that on that fumble,
you know, is that on him? Is that on the center?
I'm sure they'll talk about it Ben Johnson the postgame
press conference. I mean, that might not be his fault,
but you know, Max Crosby, I thought throughout early in

(21:55):
the game, like Max Crosby looks like Lawrence Taylor right now.
He was all open. It looked like it looked like
Max Crosby was going to single handedly win the Raiders
game in the first half. You know, I was like
Max Crosby, I would rather have Max Crosby than all
eleven guys last week on the Cowboys, and I can't
imagine Caleb Williams like, we're not playing down.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
You see, there was a play late in the game.
Max Crosby is so good, so he comes from the left,
Caleb goes to pass, he just stops circles and says,
I'm just gonna go chase him down, and he chases him.
Caleb is a is a world class athlete, and Max
forced him out of bounds from the other side of

(22:35):
the field as a pass rusher. Then he dives inside
and gets a probably a four to five yard Caleb
gets a five yard head start and he angles him
and gets him out of bounce. I thought Max Crosby
today looked like the best defensive player in the entire sport.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
He looked damn good. The other thing that you know,
for example, Russell Wilson, who's become He is so polarizing,
like what's gonna happen to his career? The Hall of Fame?
You know, looking back, Russell could Russell became a borderline
Hall of Famer without ever being able to throw over
the middle of the field. I don't know what his
numbers like just specifically today middle of the field, but
he does hit some plays over the middle of the field. Caleb,

(23:13):
Oh yeah, and he hit today Rome on a big one. Yes,
they scored a touchdown. I would say the other thing,
if has been someone that's been critical of the Rome pick,
he's definitely showing some life. He's got to he's got
some more Washington Huskies vibe going with him right now,
making some big plays, just getting open h So yeah,
I mean, I today, it's not a day to be
negative or you go on the road, you win in

(23:34):
the NFL. Now, my overall takeaway from the two teams,
You know, the Bears might win six seven games, Raiders
might win four or five. Colton Miller get carted off
at the end of the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's a problem by far.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
There were plays to night and I don't think the
Raiders uh, you know, offensive line is and definitely the
Bears defense isn't very good, but it was like I
think the Raiders offensive line is horrendous, So you got
the combination. I just don't think those teams are very good.
But I'm with you. It was it was an entertaining
like that game was close and the Rams Colts game
was close, but one was a playoff game and the

(24:08):
other was just you know, teams that are going to
combine for eleven wins play but it's the NFL. It's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, the game winning drive for them eventually
was eleven plays. And again I thought Caleb made two
big time throws on the Caleb to a Dunze play.
I wrote it down here, big blitz by the Raiders.
They put heat on him. So again again, my take
is it's the false start. The mechanics, the basic operations

(24:35):
still are not there. But if you look at the
schedule for Chicago, the Buys coming up, John, it's a
pretty easy schedule. It's not a it gets you know,
green Bay at the end of the season. Minnesota is
not a great football team as we saw today, so
Detroit is. But they get him at home.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I kind of I think I kind of looked at
the Bears and I'm like, they block a kick, they
made three big picks. I think you get on that
flight if you're a Bears fan, and you look, if
you're a Bears player, you get on that flight and think, shit, man,
we don't win road games. I mean under Eberflus they
were the worst road team perhaps in league history. And

(25:17):
I mean I took the Raiders today minus one and
a half field goal gos we win it. But my
take was, I just don't trust Chicago away from home.
So I can think you get on the flight. Some
of these games are ugly.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I would say the bigger issue with the Bears and
why you couldn't trust, like they could lose the Bengals.
You know, they can lose the Giants, they can lose
to anybody, is like the offense, like they're gonna make
some splash plays. They have a really good head coach. Defensively,
they look really bad Colin. I mean, they are just
not They're bad tackling team. They obviously don't have anyone

(25:49):
that feels like a Max Crosby on their team, so
they don't have like an impact player, you know. Ashing
genty one his first touchdown run, it reminded me a
lot of the run from Washington State last year that
I think you ran for two hundred and sixty yards
against them, where guys would tackle them and just fall off.
That's not supposed to happen in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, Caleb went twenty two to thirty seven two hundred
and twelve yards. He also ran eight times. A lot
of it was survival. But again, I if I go,
let me go to team stats here real quick. I
mean again, the Raiders had almost one hundred more yards.
The Raiders averaged six point nine yards of play. The

(26:28):
Bears were good on third down, they were one for
one on fourth down. They clearly won time of possession.
So I mean again the bear to me, the stuff
I looked at was eight penalties fall start. I think overall,
you got to be pretty happy. Okay, yeah, I would agree.
I want to talk, so I don't know how long

(26:49):
we'll talk about it. The Eagles beat the Buccaneers thirty
one to twenty five. Got off to a huge start.
It was the reverse of the Rams game last week.
They averaged three point four yards of play. The truth
of the matter is they've blocked upon early. I mean
they came out hair on fire. But AJ Brown again disappeared.
Saquon's good, but it doesn't feel quite like he has

(27:12):
a second gear. They're four to zero on four to
one possession games, a lot of penalties. AJ Brown disappeared
two hundred total yards. You know what Philadelphia feels like
to me? I mean that's hey. Baker and the Bucks
were coming right back and almost picked up another last
drive win. They feel a little like Kansas City. Something's

(27:35):
not quite right. But there's so much playoff experience in
the Philadelphia locker room. There's so many guys who have
been around that defensive line makes a big play or
like I thought their defense up the middle, I just
think Philadelphia and it's as cliche, but it's like moxie

(27:55):
and experience and in big games matters, and they're just
kind of finding a to win ugly.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I thought they treated the first half like the Super Bowl.
They went down to Tampa day early, they went down
on Friday, and that you know, the Bucks had beaten
them three for straight times and they're up twenty four
to six at halftime. So they came they came into
this game like we're gonna kick your ass, but super
Bowl champs. They's like what they just assumed the game
was over because in the first half, the big knock

(28:24):
was well Todd Bowles pressure, pressure, pressure, It's been awful
for Jalen. Jalen was eight of nine in the first
half for two touchdowns against pressure. He was fantastic. Yeah,
and they were just I mean it felt like, you know,
a team that hadn't won the Super Bowl, like with
their back against the wall, we're trying to prove it
to the league. To me, wins that game forty to thirteen.
But I bet they went in at halftime, they looked

(28:45):
around like this game's over and they just kind of
mailed it in. And then the Bucks. One thing they
have is that they do not quit. No, I mean
they have shown that. For fort there's a moment I'm like,
is he really gonna have four straight comebacks and four
straight game winning drives? And if it wouldn't have been
in part of it is you know one thing Jalen
is not gonna do anymore. Jalen's a pretty conservative player.

(29:06):
I would say he will push the ball down the
field in one on one situations. But Baker does these
Farvian mahomesy in run around bounce off guys. Perty does
this too, and when they're great, it's the highlight of
the day. But it can also be Baker, you just
threw it too Now, I know it kind of got tipped,
but that play he puts himself. Jalen doesn't put himself

(29:27):
in that situation anymore. He has taken that out of
his game, and you could argue he's never really it's
not really his thing. That's always kind of been Baker's thing.
Going back to Oklahoma and they're coming right back and
he tries to keep this crazy play alive and they
pick him off in the end zone. And let's face
that was kind of a game, right, there was what
six seven minutes left to go, and it was so

(29:47):
it was so exhilarating when he's scrambling and then the
deflation that comes out in those moments. For as great
as the farv in the Mahomes touchdown play is laid
in a game, they're equally as deflating when the guy
and the other team picks it off in the end zone.
So that was ultimately their undoing. But I'll say this,
I came away pretty impressed, like the Bucks have a

(30:08):
fight to them that you know, they're just not gonna
go away this year. And ultimately the you know, the
Eagles they ran that fake push push That to me
is now the league is like, well, we have to
sell out for this play because it's unstoppable, and now
they're gonna start flipping it to Saquon Barkley. I mean,
it's an un it's an unstoppable play, right if they're
gonna if they're gonna fake you because you have to
sell out and that it was actually probably to me,

(30:29):
the highlight of the game. But yeah, not nice win.
By Philly. But I'm with you, it's like they had
I don't view them they might win fourteen games. I
don't view them like an all time great team the
way they're playing right now.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, I mean that the Eagles had three straight punts
in the fourth quarter and the Bucks got back into
the game. I mean, they had opportunities to seal it.
And by the way, Jalen Hurts was zero for five
when targeting AJ Brown. So the Rams, who are not
great at corner, I mean, Rams will get to this.
In the second Rams could have lost easily, probably should
have lost. I mean, god, that felt so bad for
a number ten that player Williams for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
But I mean Mitchell Mitchell, h the from Texas.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Mitchell, Yeah, I mean, and I liked him in college
and I felt and then he had a holding call,
so I mean literally they had two touchdowns taken away.
So I mean, guys have bad days. But I I
mean in the fourth quarter when they could have sealed it,
they didn't. And the Bucks have better corners that match
up longer corners that match up on AJ Brown. That's

(31:28):
a huge issue for the Rams, who I really do believe.
I don't think they want to relinquish picks. But I
think the Rams know they got to solve that issue.
It's hard to beat Philadelphia some of the better teams. Okay,
I will get to the Rams. In fact, let's do
it now because we'll get to your San Francisco forty

(31:49):
nine ers and Aaron Rodgers having his best game. So
the Rams end up winning this thing twenty seven to twenty.
My takeaway the culture for real, Daniel Jones say, I mean, listen,
they had that touchdown taken away when when the kid
fumbled it out of the end zone. Jonathan Taylor, huge run,

(32:15):
there's a holding call. I feel like the Rams are
pretty pooka reliant McVeigh, Stafford and pooka reliant, although Davonte Adams,
you know, their defense is good, their running game is good.
So the Rams are a really good football team. But
my takeaway today was Colts probably should have won, and
Indy's really a really good They're gonna win that division,

(32:37):
I think going away.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Totally. I mean, I think Puka Nakua and Jonathan Taylor
are two of the better offensive players in the NFL.
Right now. You could argue two of the best non
quarterbacks in the league. I mean, Puka is an unstoppable
one on one for us. You cannot cover him and
Jonathan Taylor. You look at his numbers, like, John, what
are you talking about? The run he had that got
called back, which it didn't ultimately impact him at all. Right,

(33:00):
I hated that had to have was was gent like
you know, running through a tackle three sixty and he
has been unreal all season long. I text you this,
the Colts, they have been a quarters quarterback less team
and now they're just a real team with Daniel Jones,
who honestly, I watch him more and more I get
more impressed. His armstrengths a little better than I thought.

(33:22):
You know, Tyler Warren, I was thinking when we were
talking about Kleb and I'm not gonna try to live
week to week on this, but I love the draft
Warren like that guy's gonna work in the NFL for
a long time. Loveland, he was already injured coming out.
I understand Ben Johnson compared him to the Laporta a
little twitchier, but you watch Warren, he doesn't seem like

(33:42):
that explosive in and out of his breaks, but he's enormous.
He catches everything. I mean today he five for seventy
like every time you look up, it's seventy to eighty
to ninety yards and he's such a red zone threat,
you know, to go with some of their other wide
receivers and one of the best running backs in the NFL.
It looked like they were gonna win that game pretty handily,
and then obviously it kind of fell apart for him

(34:03):
at the end. But I'm with you. I think the
culture really good. I think the ram I thought that
was just like a playoff level. Just the intensity of
that game. Well, and the Curse obviously had the big
play toward the end. Yeah, Shane Stiken shows you Shane
Ssike is not an idiot. Maybe the quarterback last year
was just a train wreck.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Mitchell is that wide receiver, and my heart went out
to the kid because he's supposed to be beloved on
the team. You knew he felt terrible. But no, if
you go look at the I want to go here
real quick. So Daniel Jones was twenty four to thirty
three for two hundred and sixty two yards. He did
have two picks, but the one at the end they're
trying to get down the field you can't crush him
for that. Stafford was twenty nine to forty one, three

(34:41):
hundred and seventy five yards. Three TV's no picks, He's ridiculous.
But overall, now, the Rams had four hundred and sixty yards. God,
they had seventy total plays. That's a lot of plays
for the for the Colts defense to be on the field.
You know, it's funny as I look at the Colts

(35:01):
and you lose the football game. The Rams that played
a terrible second half. It was one of my blazing
five picks. I'm like McVeigh off, a bad second half
coming to home. Now Daniel Jones is going to face
a real pass rush. But my takeaway the whole day was,
oh god, Daniel Jones looks like a completely different player.
It actually, And I've always been a day Ball fan.

(35:24):
I think a lot of the credit we got. You know,
I know him and I like him. I think Chris
Ballards drafted really well. But if you don't hit on
a quarterback, everybody tears you apart. Dude. They have good
weapons they have. I mean Tillman is great, Warren's fantastic.
I think the offensive line although the Rams Jared Verse

(35:45):
got in a couple times late, but I think I
think overall the offensive line he gets, the Rams overwhelm
more than half the teams they play. They don't overwhelm
the Eagles, they don't overwhelm the Lions. They didn't overwhelm
the Colts for most of the game. So your point,
coaching rosters quarterbacks it felt big.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, I mean I've told this story before, but I
had a buddy on the Jets scouting staff and he said, John,
we've drafted pretty well and we're going to extend seven
eight of these guys. But if we and this was
a couple of years ago, but if we don't hit
on the quarterback, we're all gonna get fired. And most
people in Boat it shows you you know their coaching staff.
I think Shane was a little more dynamic than solid
because he can control of the offense. The one year

(36:26):
with Gardner Minshew. But the Jets are a good example.
I mean, Sauce, Gardner, Garret Wilson, guys got big extensions.
The Penn State guy Breece Hall like, they've drafted well.
Everyone got blown out because the quarterback situation was such
a disaster. They've held it together and they finally just
found their lifeline because you watch them to day. I
think a couple early games people don't want to get like,
after a while, it's like, no, this guy's pretty solid. Yeah,

(36:47):
and they got I mean one, they feel like a
lock to win ten games as it goes, could they
win twelve? Because he win twelve games? Now two of
the last three years he's won nine games with an
average team. He gets a better team, he wins twelve.
Like they're gonna give him a contract extension, he's gonna
be you know this is yes, this has got a
Baker Mayfield situation. And you know, I get a lot
of people asking me where I live. Well, a lot

(37:08):
of people from the Midwest live here, Big Vikings contingent.
A lot of people said, listen, John JJ McCarthy. I
get having hope, but like, you can't tell me we
would have been better off signing Sam dar course, it's
it's a pretty arrogant move to go, yeah, we'll just
replace this thirty five touchdown guy that's twenty eight years old.
Usually it's impossible to do that, especially if the guy's
not that number one overall pick. You're like, well, he's

(37:30):
a fifth number you watched Keep your Fingers Crossed. Now
he can't even play.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
And Donald's Donald's been really really good playing.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
He's just a good player. Now, he's just a good player.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, I think it was funny Stafford. So they took
a picture at one point late in the game, Stafford
was sweating. It looked like, you know what, your dog
goes into the water bowl in the summer and it
comes up and there's just water all over your dog's face.
Stafford was pouring sweat off his helmet, and I mean
it looked like it was just coming down in the

(38:01):
end and it wasn't a water bottle because there was
no break. It was a drive. But him hitting two
to two at well, remember they signed to too, so
they drafted him in the second round from Ole Miss.
Kind of felt like a bust, but they kind of
felt well. Ringing Davonte, he's good for about one big
catch a game, and he had the eighty eight yard
touchdown to win it for the Rams. That's classic McVeigh.

(38:25):
Mcvayh's like, listen, we can bail on him, but he
is our fastest receiver and he's not a high volume guy.
He's like a poor man Zavier worthy, but he will
run past you, and we don't have that in our arsenal.
And I just think it's funny that Stafford doesn't throw
to two to two at well all day. The time
he does, it's the game breaker. And I think that's
just what the Rams are. I think situationally, they're so smart,

(38:50):
they're just so well run, and I mean they didn't
use that play the entire game. It's twenty twenty. You
know a lot of these younger coaches, John they'll through
plays in the first half. I just it's such a
Rams move to me.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I think where McVeigh deserves a lot of credit to
is you know, you go through defensive coordinators, you're gonna
whiff on some. And clearly you know he had waited.
You know, Shula was his buddy, right, they've known each
other since college, and you know he probably was ready
years before he gave it to him, but he felt
like he didn't want to view It's not as like
brother like nepotism, but like I'm just giving it to
my good buddy. He has been really good for him

(39:28):
now for two years. I mean that was he was
already on staff, ready to be implemented in obviously Don
Shula's grandson. But I think you know, hiring, I mean,
so being a head coach. You know, especially Sean, he's
calling the plays, he's working with the offense, he's trying
to develop guys, he's dealing with the roster. You know,
hiring your staff is the It's what made Jim Harbaugh

(39:48):
such a star. Jim Harbaugh is a great hire of
his coordinators. And you know, anytime that you are the
offensive play caller, head coach, Kevin O'Connell, Brian Flores, Kyle Shanahan,
Robert Salah, like, you're a lot better when you're defensive coordinator.
And I think most people are like, thing is gonna work.
Like you You've got a good team, and it's worked well.
I mean verse by the end first looks like to me,

(40:09):
a young Khalil Mack.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh my god, he's he's a beast.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
He's a monster. He's a monster. So yeah, they've they've
drafted and developed a really good defensive line and they're
just a tough you know. Their best wide receiver is
like it feels like a running back in Pooka. I mean,
it's the way he plays Cooper Cup used to feel
like there's a physicality to the way they play at
wide receiver that the Niners there, guys have that you know,
you just that adds a toughness to your team. You know,

(40:34):
the Kansas City, their receivers is just running right. I mean,
you know, Xavier Worthy and Thornton ain't gonna run over guys.
But that's Andy doesn't mind, ye, he goes, well, I'll
develop plays for him. You know that, Shanahan and McVeigh,
that those physical receivers add to the physical nature of
the team.

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I thought it was one of the shocking performances of
the day, but in hindsight it's sort of explainable. Pittsburgh
twenty four Minnesota twenty one started for me eight thirty
in the morning. I thought it was my favorite bet

(43:01):
of the week. But then all of a sudden, they
had three backup offensive linemen and the Steelers I felt
Kevin O'Connell came into the game of the game plan,
and so did Brian Flores, and they didn't adjust, but
I think Kevin O'Connell couldn't adjust. Listen, Aaron played the

(43:22):
best game I think Aaron's played in a couple of years.
I really did. He and DK Metcalf have a clear connection.
I thought the Steelers offensive line today, John, the Steelers
have not developed a consistent wrong game in six years.
I thought they ran the ball today effectively. I don't know.
I looked at Pittsburgh and I'm like, Jesus, this is
the best Steeler performance. And again they were missing three linemen.

(43:48):
Vikings were a mess on the old line. But we
can't make excuses Baltimore's defense. You got to make plays.
I thought, Pittsburgh, that was a great performance by them.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
If you would have told me at the beginning of
the day, and I have some of this was a
little bit garbage time, but wentz through for three hundred
and fifty yards, I'd be like, I would have been
a lot more money on the Vikings. You know, I'm
with you. I thought for the first time in four
games a little bit last week, but they look like
a physical team. Started to finish. Yes, you know they
gain well, ran for ninety nine yards. If you just

(44:22):
gave the Steelers every week one hundred yard rusher, They're
gonna have a chance because you know, the days of
Aaron throwing for three hundred and seventy five yards are done.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
They're done.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
But what he can do is a little bit like
today twenty to twenty four, two hundred and twenty yards
and part of giving DK a lot of money, which
was pretty risky. Every once in a while he is
gonna take an eighty yards and cut across the field
and run by every money. So over the course of
the season, DK gives you ten touchdowns and three or
four of them are like that testy.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
They usually are.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
That's a huge but but you got to play good defense.
They had six sacks. They were all over Wentce and
you know, they were hitting really hard. Now, they did
lose Ramsey at the end of the game, but to me,
there was a physicality to their team start to finish
that had kind of been lacking. And I do wonder,
you know if Tomlin, I mean part of him is
that raw raw what is going on here? And I

(45:09):
think the defense kind of been getting called out yep
and came to play today. And I would say the
same thing for their offensive line because part of the
reason every single human alive love Minnesota. It's like, well
flores against this offense.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Steel Steelers and run game has been a six year disappointment.
I mean I'm watching the day and I'm like this
now again. Have I watched every Steeler drive in every
Steeler game, but over the last six years, I honestly
felt watching that game that was the most hopeful Steeler win.

(45:43):
I'm like, well, that thing looks like a totally agree
they could go on the road and win a playoff
game like I was. I mean, so much of this league,
in a passing league, is can you consistently run the ball? First? Like, first,
you don't want your quarterback throwing forty times, especially an
old quarterback. Secondly, it keeps your defense off the field,
and I think Pittsburgh's defense you have some older players.

(46:04):
JJ Watt was great today, but you you have some
older players and new players, so you don't want you
you don't want your guys on the field for sixty
six plays. I mean I wrote down four or five
different times, Wow, impressed Steeter Oline dot dot dot really
great today. Yeah, I mean at one point the game
was twenty one to six.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, to me, they were creating turnovers. They had a
bunch of sacks. I can't imagine endlessen. I know the
Vikings won one hundred and nothing last week against Jake
Browning and the Bengals, but every single person with the
Steelers said, We're not flying to Dublin, Ireland to lose
to Carson Wentz like that, that is not happening on
our watch. Well, I woke up. The game started at
six thirty for me, and it was fourteen to three,

(46:48):
and DK just had that play, and then you just
watched the rest of the game, and again it was
they got some late touchdowns. You know, Rogers is screaming
to go forward at the end, they get denied at
like the one yard line, right when he wanted to
basically ice the game. And a couple of plays later
they score, so all of a sudden, I think it
was like twenty four to fourteen, and then all of
a sudden, it's twenty four to twenty one. And they

(47:10):
still got a couple a minute or two before the
two minute warning. You're like, WHOA. And I think, you know,
Rogers I think is trying to make the Tomlin a
little unconservative. I think their nature would never have been
to do that, but he kind of got to overrule
him there, and which I didn't mind. They had to
go ninety nine yards with Carson Wentz and then all
of a sudden, they I think they blew a coverage
to Jordan Addison. They got lucky that he didn't score. Ye,

(47:32):
you know, the guy made a great play to kind
of b line him down at the end. But I'm
with you. Beside a couple of free plays, the Steelers
not only got they leaned on Minnesota, who I think
we'd all agreed, pretty tough, physical team. It's not like
they are soft by any means, especially for you could
look they kept showing Flora Flores had to look like
what is going on? And listen, Sometimes you fly across

(47:53):
these international games. What Minnesota ex playing back to back
international games in two different countries. You know that could
really throw you off. I heard you talking about it
last week on TV, Like you draft this guy really high.
He misses all season last year and now he's out
for six or seven games and ankle Like, let's let's
call it what it is. Sam Darnold's leading game winning drives.
Kind of a disastrous situation he'd be like, well, John,

(48:14):
it's early. We've talked a lot about you don't get
much time anymore, like and you just let a quarterback go.
It's it's a problem. And Carson Wentz is actually more
impressive than I thought. I mean, it's the guy was
just on his couch. He's actually pretty got some talent
in his body still. But like, you drafted this guy
in the top fifteen to be your quarterback of a
fourteen win team and he's just sitting there eating sunflowers.
Se He's like, it's.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Kind of a big problem. Yeah. I mean, Michael Pennix
today I thought made some big time throws. Drape May.
They're not asking him to do a ton, but Drake
May today they're dropping forty two points. So we know
bo Nicks can play. He gets an extra day against
the Bengals defense. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't a JJ
McCarthy fan. You know, it's interesting. I've been told this,

(48:55):
This has been a line that I've used many times,
is don't try todate your previous choices. And I listen,
they wanted to sign Sam Donald, they were very interested.
They want John Snyder came in and you know, they're
willing to pay more. And Sam Donald, frankly, probably if
you asked him, would have wanted to stay justin Jefferson,
Kevin O'Connor. I mean yeah, and I mean and by

(49:18):
the way, in that division that's not a great defensive division.
Now you go out and have to face like, you know,
a Bosa at the time and the Rams front twice
a year. I mean, Sam Donald follows the league. I'd
rather stay in Minnesota in the offensive division than go
and have to face McVeigh and Shanahan and Arizona's got
a defensive coach, they got players, So I you know,
it's it's you and I both believed in Donald. But

(49:40):
when you watch Donald play and you watch JJ McCarthy,
Sam's bigger, thicker, bigger arm. There's a reason they offered him.
But I think did did they get into a situation
where they're like, well we drafted him.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, there's when's the last time the Vikings it was
like forever the Chiefs, they they've never had a rafted
quarterback play. Well, so there was all this pressure, you know,
the GM who's his IVY league, smart venture capitalists, and
Kevin o'conne who's obviously excellent. They're like, we're not gonna matter.
If you look back, you would have been like, whatever
you get offered, and he sound like he was getting offered.

(50:14):
You know, purty Jordan love money. Would they give him
fifty sixty guaranteed? If they didn't have a quarterback, they
would have gladly given him one hundred million dollars guaranteed, right,
but they did. They're like, they start pinching pennies and
you start going, what we can do to the team.
But that's also for that to work, it's predicated on
JJ McCarthy just being solid. That not only do we
not know if he's solid, he's played eight quarters in

(50:36):
the NFL and seven of them have been the worst
quarterback play of the league. Think about that. Yeah, he's
played eight total quarters and seven of them have been Objectively,
it doesn't get any worse. And he's now torn in
knee and had a bad ankle injury where he's not
even he can't even put on bats. So you go,
this is I don't want to say, like def Con five,

(50:57):
but you can't tell me that. Internally, they are really
concerned because listen, quarterback situation and just you can get lucky, right,
Like they got a little lucky. I don't blame them
once they signed Donald for ten million dollars, still drafting
JJ McCarthy, But then you got evidence and it's like, wow,
he's terrible in these last two games. Yeah, some Peyton
Mannings had shitty playoff games football, Joe Montada lost some

(51:20):
playoff games, and I'm not saying he's those guys, but
he's kind of coming back. And Sam's validating, like, yeah,
maybe I'm not gonna be Patrick Mahomes, but I'm gonna
be way. What are the chances that JJ McCarthy is
ever eighty percent as good as Sam Donald has been
the last time?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I don't think do you know? Right now, Sam Donald
start of last season is tied with Mahomes with seven
game winning drives. He's tied for the most wins in
the league and tied with Mahomes for the most game
winning drives. It's not that Sam is playing well. Sam's
playing well late. Sam's playing well in big moments. I
mean that Arizona game they needed Sam they was that

(51:57):
was a quarterback game. So it's not just that Sam
looks bigger and more active, and the other thing is
Sam played with older guys in Minnesota. Seattle's a bunch
of kids. It's the second youngest offense in the league,
and they PLoP him in JSN. Now looks like at
number one, the Holton kid, the fifth round kid can
play that, the Royal, the tight end from Miami, the

(52:18):
rookie walker. He just brought him into a bunch of
kids like Jordan Love plays with a young team, but
he's been there for four or five years with all
those guys, or at least three years. I mean, Sam
had just plopped him into the young Seahawks. It looks
like he's been playing with this group of guys for
years totally.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I mean, I'm with you and I I'll never forget
watching the press conference when they signed him, and Mike
McDonald's sitting up there next to him, and they said, well,
how much of an impact did it have. I mean,
you could argue one of Sam's greatest throws of his
short career is a really good player against against Seattle
last year, and he said, yeah, kind of had a
big impact on us. I had a front row seat
for that game and a game planned against them all week,

(52:56):
so I just think, you know, the Steelers are a
good example of this season is like they start anew
next year, Who the hell knows what's gonna happen. Rodgers retire,
he's forty two years old. Maybe tries to come back.
You know, I think the Vikings right now, listen, I've
been like I said, I've been impressed with Carson Wentz,

(53:16):
like he's but definitely not some loser. That's right. You
can play with them, but he's just one. He's not
like you got to go back to JJ. Is JJ
as good as Carson Wentz is? Right now? I don't
think so.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
No, Right, let's go to this. This is a game
that not many people outside of the Bay Area watch,
but it's fascinating. So the Jags beat the Niners twenty
six to twenty one. San Francisco. First of all, is
the team that can't catch. They had six or seven
drops today, but the Jags led seventeen to six and
a half. Brock Purtty had a brutal fumble that sealed

(53:51):
the lost late. He had two picks, one of them
egregiously bad. So so far this year, Brock pretty has
four touchdowns and four picks. Mac Jones has four touchdowns
and one pick. Some of it the injury less practice time,
but you know, and I'll just set it up for you,

(54:12):
But my take was the Jags gave them multiple opportunities
to win the game. It was typical Jacksonville. They you know,
they have you know, I mean, you know, Trevor Lawrence
sliding out of bounds. I mean it's just like, oh God,
Jacksonville missing field goals that are makeable. What did you

(54:34):
make up pretty I mean I thought it was pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, he looked, I thought today like bad. Jimmy Garoppolo
balls floating on them all day, all day. I mean
he he had multiple guys. Robinson and Juwan Jennings made
two catches that were just out of this world that
if they don't catch with their fingertips are probably caught
by the safety behind him. And I think this gets
back to this not the Niners had a moment today
where Ricky Piersoll was in the tent and Juwan Jennings

(54:59):
had to wait to get into the tent. And that
has happened to the forty nine Ers more than any
team in the league. They've had a player in the
tent and they've had a waiting line It's like when
you and I go to the doctor's office. That is
not normal. Their tent. They should sponsor their tent and
get quadruple any other team if there's a sponsor on
top of the tent because of the use it gets.
Rockberdy probably should not have played today. He could barely

(55:19):
practice by like you know, Thursday, but he kind of
had to because the backup quarterback who've been playing well,
Mac Jones, is injured, who toughed it out and was active.
They have a massive injury problem. I mean that their
players are now pearsall Piersoll could not finish this game.
They just lose. Bosa Kittles nowhere to be found. They
they're terrible on special teams. A guy takes a punt

(55:40):
to the house, Parker Washington, I mean, oh just I
mean he was flying. The punter gave his best efforts.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
But they've been bat on special teams for six years.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
So the turnovers, the forty nine ers, I mean, they've
they've been gutting these wins out today. They deserve to loose.
I mean, they were they were really a troch. There's
a big pick's problem with this team too. Kyle Shanahan
wants to run the football, and right now they can
now run the football, and there's nowhere for McCaffrey to run.
He doesn't have explosive runs. At one point in time

(56:10):
the day I looked, they had like sixty McCaffrey had
seventeen carries for forty nine yards. They ran the ball
twenty four times for eighty three yards, and they had
like two explosive runs. So they just McCaffrey's long was
eleven yards a couple of years ago. Remember when they
go to the Super Bowl that year. Throughout the season,
how often McCaffrey's have fifteen twenty thirty yard runs. He

(56:30):
was there like he was a huge element to their
offense as an explosive player. And then it opens up
the play action game. I remember Jay Gruden told me
he's like, listen, there's no one better than scheming up.
I mean, part of the reason they're not McCaffrey's looking
a little old, and their offensive line is not great.
It's not because the scheme. Like Kyle knows how to
scheme the run, but his drop back passing game is

(56:52):
not viewed like Andy Reid's or Sean mcvas right, that's
not Kyle's deal. But when he cannot run the ball,
they can't just drop like the purty play that end
of the game, the fumble like he's gotten multiple offensive
line getting smoked. He can't drop back in pass because
they can't protect. So beside Trent, who's also looking a
little old that. I know, they're three and one, but

(57:15):
they play the Rams in like three and a half days.
And now the Rams getting this win today, that's a
huge game. The forty nine ers. Who knows who's going
to be available in that thing. All of a sudden,
you went from three and oh to three and two
pretty quick, and I thought, you know, you go three
and oh, you just have to limp shitty schedule seven
to seven and seven and you're ten and seven, right,
you saw you go? You can lose to anybody. I

(57:35):
don't think the Jags are that good, Listen, I don't
think the Jags is that good. All they got some
good individual players, but do I think they're like a
do I feel confidence saying like that's a ten win team?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Hell though, I mean if you look at the Rams
defense and Seattle's defense, just the athletes that are playing
John and then you look at the Niners. I mean,
Seattle and the Rams are just faster defensively. They just
have more elite players. And then all of a sudden,
JSN Jackson Smith and jigb is a number one for Seattle.
Walker's the number one running back, a royal looks really

(58:05):
good at tight end. Darnold's a great athlete. I picked
the Rams that win the division and the Seahawks be
a wildcard team. Just turn the sound down and watch
the Seahawks and the Rams athletes. It looks like GM's
are hitting a lot of picks San Francisco. You know,
when I picked them third, people said I was crazy,
but I said they're old, expensive and brittle, and I said,

(58:27):
you're just gotta bake in. Trent's gonna miss three games,
McCaffrey two, and Kidle four, like you just have to
bake it in.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
So yeah, I mean, I actually think the Niners defense
has been pretty good this year. I mean, for they
gave up how much this saw one, Well that's what
I'm saying. So but they have some young explosive players,
Like they got a touchdown, dude fumbles ETN scores the
next play they have a punt. You know, it's not
their defense has given up all, like part of the
offense is basically giving them great field position and the

(58:54):
defense is kind of getting gassed. But big picture, you know,
Bosa did not play well. I thought last year this
year he looked like a man on a mission. So
losing him, it's not just you just say we lose
so and so, Well, how is that guy that's so
and so just because he's a big name most early
on looked like he could be the defensive player of
the year. So the the the air going out of

(59:16):
everyone's sales on defense, because you go, hey, we got
Nick Bosa coming off the edge with his young group,
we got Fred Warner flying around, we got this great
defensive coordinator. Our defense can dominate and our offense can
just figure it out as the year goes on. Because
but you lose Nick, it kind of can unravel fast.
And that's you know, today, I thought they did a
pretty good job. But I don't view the Jags as
some like potent offensive option. But to me, if purty

(59:37):
and he's just he's just had thrown a lot of
turnover last like tend to last week.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
That interception, I don't know what he saw. Gino had
an interception today. I don't know what he saw. Perty's
was worse.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Somebody pretty can't see because he's not that tall.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I think that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And then today I wonder, you know, he's got this
foot injury. Can you not drive off the ball. Yeah,
but then he'd scramble around, so you're like, well, he
doesn't look hurt. But I felt throughout the entire game
he you know, if he was a pitcher, it'd be
one of those like he's not making a pass like
the third inning, right, you just go to the bullpen.
You could just tell early like he is just off.

(01:00:16):
And usually, you know with a Shanahan team or just
that kind of that style of offense, you just run
the ball. Well, they couldn't. They just can't, and he
can be I would say, stubborn. Sometimes Kyle will keep
calling runs because we're gonna bust one and we're gonna
bust one. And they never did. They never had a
longer run than eleven, and most of them felt like
they were going for one, two, three yards. They were
getting nothing. And if we know the forty nineers can't

(01:00:39):
run their best teams, they typically it's like it's pretty
clear the Ravens. When they're good, defense dominates and they
and they lead a league in rushing. Forty nine ers
when they're good, defense lead the league and run like
that's the style of football they play. And right now
I'm watching some of these other teams bus runs that
the forty that is not the forty nine ers right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Okay, So I want to talk about one college game
and one player specifically. So Oregon in overtime beat Penn
State Penn State thirty to twenty four. And I had
said all week I kind of liked Oregon to win,
but they hadn't Dante Moore between u SEL and Oregon,
he just hadn't played in a big stadium. John, I

(01:01:17):
think this kid was so cool. I don't think that
a delay a game. I don't think they had an
offensive penalty in terms of not being lined up. He
goes into that environment that is an elite defense that
has eaten quarterbacks alive, three touchdowns, no picks, twenty nine
to thirty nine, two hundred and fifty yards, and multiple

(01:01:39):
times the camera takes pictures of Dante Moore totally unfazed. Inarguably,
I mean, I mean arguably the hardest environment in the
country is I think definitely in their conference. I think
Dante Moore is the best quarterback in the country. He
is the best quarterback if you're talking poise size arm

(01:02:04):
Oregon's always had speed, But you know, all these top
programs do. I think Ohio State's the better team. I
thought that was such a defining win. I mean, they
beat Ohio State last year, Notson, so you go, you
go all the way and James Franklin's gonna get crushed.
But I and rightly so. But he has lost to
Harbaugh's Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon. He's he's losing to the

(01:02:26):
right people because I don't think Penn State's as good
as Ohio State or Harbor with Michigan, I don't think
it's as good a program as Oregon because Oregon recruits
California at a high level. But what was your interpretation
of the game in Dante More I was kind of
blown away by the performance.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, I thought it was pretty simple these teams, and
you could take the other game that was going on
at the same time, Georgia and Alahata. They don't play
in that. They don't play in that many games for
the talents equal. So whether the quarterbacks on or off,
whether Aler plays good or bad against Nevada or if
IU or even you know, the the Iowas and some
of these other teams are gonna play, it does not matter.
They're just gonna out talent them. They're not the other teams.

(01:03:02):
I can be able to score and they're gonna win
even when they play shitty twenty seven to seven. There
are gonna be a couple games throughout the year where
they got equal talent. And we say, you know with
Penn State now for the because Penn State is an
elite ross. Yes, Like to me, just you I had
those two games on at the same time. It's like
there are NFL players everywhere on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
These two those were the quarterback play, the coaching in speed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, So to me, both games came down to Dante
Moore is a five star quarterback who looks like he's
a star. And Ty Simpson everyone wrote that kid off.
Whatever debor and grub have done to him, he looks
like a stud. So what happens in the NFL, most
teams are pretty equal, Like what the hell is the
difference between Jags and the forty nine ers, Not much. Well,
if your quarterback crumbles, you're gonna have problems. And that's

(01:03:45):
the NFL right quarterback play. Why do we say that
because most teams have similar talent. Yea that there's not
there's not three teams. I mean the Lions are a
couple teams in the NFL, but over twenty five teams
in the NFL, man for Manner basically the same. Yeah,
so it's like, what's your quarterback and that's what he
becomes in college football now, especially with the NIL your team.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
For portal has even everything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Out and Aler last night and I know he hit
the deep bomb late but was mainly atrocious. Yes, and
he's just I've always thought this with with quarterback play.
Two things that we don't talk enough about our toughness
and just kind of instincts and he's tough, like he
will lower shoulder. They just don't exist. They just not

(01:04:27):
an instinctive player and to me more and I would
say the same thing about Tyson. I would say of
the four quarterbacks last night, and I would include Gunner, Stockton,
Aller was the worst. Stockton made a couple of big throws,
Like listen, he's not the best, but this guy's to me,
Aller is James Franklin is gonna get tragged through the mud.
I'm sure this week. I think they have a bye week.
They've been hyping this team, you know, for so long

(01:04:50):
about just this game and how much it meant, because
Penn State now has had like a two or three
game regular season right for the last several years, so
Ohio State, Michigan, now Oregon, and it was just it's
hard for me to put it on him because their
teams field felt ready. It's the quarterback. You recruit the
wrong quarterback. We've seen Dabbo do this when you get

(01:05:11):
Trevor Lawrence Young, Deshaun Watson. We saw it with sab
him when he had Tua and Edojeron got Burrough. You
look really good when you don't, it's really hard. And
they went all in an Aller living in you know,
some of my buddies back there went to Penn State.
They looked they were telling me a couple years ago,
we got this guy supposed to be like Josh Allen.
That was the hype on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Drew two years ago. But I thought he improved so
much last year. At the end of the year, I
was like Okay, if he does that again, he's a
top ten pick.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
But he just because they got the Kansas offensive coordinator
that many believes one of the best offensive coordinators in
the league. So it's not their offensive coordinator who's excellent.
They added the Ross kid last night, they made some plays,
they've added some transfers, they have great running backs, right,
and it's just it's him. I mean, obviously that's throwing
in overtime, but he the first half, he was just atrocious.
The thing is, he can't just make the play more count,

(01:06:00):
even Tys Simpson, he just can't make the plays. So
I was high on him just because I wanted to
be I'd heard the hype and it just got to
be out, you know, you just you just gotta be out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
John. When I watched that game last night with Dante
More and you and I use this word, but there
is juice, Dante more, poise, juice arm like you can
just sense it. You can. You can tell that Oregon
totally believes in him and Landing totally believes in him.
And when you put guys on the same field, beget
It's like when you put Mahomes and Lamar on the

(01:06:31):
same field together. There looks like there's a significant gap.
There doesn't when it's Josh Allen and Mahomes they're both great,
lamar and and Malmes, there's a gap. And I when
I watched that last night, that game did Drew Aller
no draft favors. He didn't look like he was even
on the same planet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Okay, is Oregon the only school I get, Like you said,
they're newer to this right of the last three decades
twenty five years, but they don't have Have they ever
won a national championship in football? No, I mean definitely
not in the modern era. So it's like it, Yeah,
it does feel like this team and Dan Lanning with
the nil, they are going to be right there. You

(01:07:11):
just you know, college football is a little more random
now with some of these games injuries and stuff. You
got to win multiple games. But that was I mean
that tight end they got, Holy Molly, I mean m
eighteen is just a monster. Their defense, you know, and
this goes back to Mario. They have recruited and Chip
did you know, the Forest Buckner and Eric Armstead and
some of the guys they used to have. They have

(01:07:32):
a very physical team because Penn State, that's the one
thing they hang their hat on. We're one of the fastest,
most physical. We're an SEC defense and Oregon's like, okay,
so are we. So it's like, well, if you're going
to get that quarterback, play because listen, Dylan Gabriel, good player.
I know obviously that no.

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is that I was at the USC game and you

(01:08:57):
know they were missing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
How far is that away from your house?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Two and a half hour train ride, two and a
half hour drive. It was warm and it was still.
There was no you know, it's it's farm country, so
it was warm and not covered, so you know, the
players it was hot. But when Danton Lynn came to USC,
the UCLA defensive coordinator, they went and bought him and

(01:09:20):
they brought him over and immediately the defense was better.
And everybody was criticizing Lincoln Riley because Jaden Malevi throws
to Lemon for the go ahead, touched down with like
a minute fifty five left, and J Mack goes, oh,
they won, And I text J Mac. I said, Illinois
has a great kicker. USC secondary is awful, can't tackle,

(01:09:43):
They're missing their best safety. I said, Jmack, Illinois is
going to drive down the field and hit the game
winning field goal. Ended up being closer than I thought
it would, I said, but if you were, you know,
I was at the game, Illinois was the much better team.
Illinois moved the ball up and down the field. USC
got no pass rush, and it it was I was
swimming around on the internet, you know, last night, looking

(01:10:04):
at stuff, and somebody brought up the point. I didn't
write it down, but somebody brought up the point. They said,
the defense has gotten softer. They're bigger, there's no question
there how much they paid for size in the nil portal.
They went and paid for size, and they've got it.
And they recruited a couple of big time freshmen, one
from Canada, one from Florida, A Keem Stewart.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
He was number four, that eighteen year old pass rusher.
He's a moster.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, Keemsteart's gonna be really good next year. If they
can keep their guys, they're gonna have a good d line.
No pressure. Illinois got eaten alive up front by Indiana.
USC got no pressure. And somebody pointed out they said,
the longer Linn is with Lincoln Riley, the softer the
defense gets and we can keep blaming Alex Grinch when

(01:10:51):
you go to Oklahoma. One of the knocks was defensively,
they weren't stoops as defense, they weren't as physical. They
couldn't make big stops. And somebody pointed out, like, is
it practice? Nobody questions the offense. I mean they were
missing offensive linemen. They had, you know, a guard playing
right tackle, right left tackle. I mean they were all

(01:11:13):
over and that's tough on the road. Their college kids,
and they scored plenty of points, but they couldn't stop
the fighting. A LINEI and sort of an average college quarterback.
They don't have big dime receivers. Offensive line got eaten
alive by Indiana. And I sat there and I'm like,
is it Lincoln, is it practice? It's just once again

(01:11:37):
an incredibly soft defense. Can you can You can talk
about injuries. Yes, they were missing Kamari Ramsey, the safety,
but Illinois was more physical. For three and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I kind of checked out. And then when the game
did they have multiple fumbles to even get back into
the game, like Illinois gave them the ball back. It
should not have been. They were getting their ask kick,
Yeah they.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Got and I don't want to say breaks, because they
created the fumbles. Eric Gentry is the best defensive player
of the linebacker punched the ball out. So again, they
were very opportunistic defensively in two occasions. But Illinois was
clearly the better team and did whatever they wanted offensively.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I watched the first half. I was flying back from
New York on the plane and they just lost sixty
three to ten. And Beilama is a tough guy and
they won nine games last year, so you knew, especially
big newon kicksoffs there, that you were going to get
a team ready to play. So if you're Lincoln all
week long, you guys, listen that sixty three to ten
means nothing. This team is going to come out swinging.

(01:12:39):
And then that game opened up and it looked like
a Belama team from Wisconsin. They hit him right in
the mouth and then they were also they ran like
the Philly special. I just went there just getting out coaching,
and that worked. Now I will defend West Coast teams
in general traveling and the big it's a really it's
weird on her, but that was they just showed up

(01:12:59):
pretty flat. They were getting warked, and clearly Illinois is
not as bad as what we win this but you're
getting a really good coach like Bielima is a tough guy.
I say this all the time. You don't fake being
tough you either. You know the hardballer Dan Campbell. They
just are tough guys, right, And some of the offensive
guys that aren't a McVeigh, laflora Kyle, they have to

(01:13:19):
make sure to emphasize that on personnel, right. So you
just got to the leach guys. Now you could say
Lincoln's offense and I bet he would say is a
lot different than what I was taught in fifteen twenty
years ago for Mike. But like, clearly they didn't recruit
Alabama Ohio State defensive players, but they were never going
on defense because how do you get good practicing against

(01:13:39):
that offense? So to me, there's a direct correlation in
the way you practice, Like why have Andy Reid's teams
been He's an offensive guy for twenty five years. Ask
any player that's ever played for practice is hard, yes,
and practice the arm our, chin straps are buckled up.
We're not doing walkthroughs. You say, the Eagles are a
good example. They don't necessarily practice as hard fan. Joe

(01:14:00):
will say that they get elite players, right, so you
got to do one of the two. And Lincoln's his
practices are never going to be Nick Sabans or Kirby Smarts.
They're just not Look at Deboor, you know, de boor
former offensive lineman, like he's kind of a tough guy.
His teams are pretty tough, though he likes to throw
the ball. I think they practiced pretty hard. It's pretty serious.

(01:14:20):
I'm not saying Lincoln doesn't practice are but his offense
clearly doesn't create physicality in practice. And if you're not
getting Pete Carroll's recruiting classes, they've done better right the
last twelve months and to look better moving forward. But
right now the and thedn't wasn't their safety down. He
got sick or something the night before.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Come on, threw up that hurt because they're not good
in the secondary to start, so like he's their best player.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
But they showed up flat and Beilama's team showed up
to win that game immediately, and it was like, damn,
the USC was going to be in for a fight
early on. And let's face it, they're just what I
think people's expectations for what for this program. It just
hasn't quite been the same. Where on the flip side,
wouldn't you say? And listen, we were like after that
Debor Florida State game, like this is kind of weird.

(01:15:04):
It's gotta give and how about that comeback over the
last month. I mean, you know what that guy is.
He's beaten Sark, he's beaten Landing, he's beaten Winningham, he's
now beating Kirby Twise like lies. They had an awful day.
But I'm watching them last night.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
It's not easy to play National Championship easy? Easy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Who? He gets a grub weird fit in the NFL
with McDonald and Schneider. It didn't work. He does work
with the Boor being his right hand guy, and he
had Ty Simpson looking like, you know, an NFL player.
So I just went coaching still really matters, and it's
harder in college because you're not you know, the twenty hours,
even if that doesn't matter much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
But I sent a tweet this morning, I said success
is hard and it takes a lot longer than the
media and fans want to admit. But Calin de Boor's
coaching last night was. It was magnificent and Greg Byrn
texts me the idiot Alabama and we had a little
chit chat about the process of hiring him, and he
just said he's just such a great, great guy. Can't

(01:16:05):
go into too much what he said, but the point
was being is I mean Nick Saban lost to Louisianaman.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
They were fit. Georgia hadn't lost in like thirty five
games at home.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
And by Georgia. Now Kirby sparts one to seven against Bama.
I think, like, all I know is I watched that
coaching in the first half, the play calling. I watched
Bama last night, and I'm like, if you told me
Bama meets Ohio State in the Natty, I'd be like, Yeah,
that's right, that's what's gonna happen, or Bama plays Oregon.
I think Oregon's win at Penn State and Bama's win
are as impressive college wins. As impressive as college wins

(01:16:39):
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(01:17:03):
to talk Ryder Cup. So it began in nineteen twenty seven.
It was an exhibition. It's no longer an exhibition. It's essential.
And the Europeans dominate us. And I'll just throw this
theory out. First of all, they you know, they trim
the rough, so the rough wasn't punitive at all, and
it became a putting contest essentially, and the Europeans get

(01:17:26):
to draft select from a much larger pool than we do.
But I just watching it. My take was this because
I heard Payne Stewart was a great captain of the
Ryder Cup team, the late Payne Stewart, Paul Aisinger. Again,
those guys had incredible leadership qualities. And I'm not criticizing
anybody for the United States, but it felt different. I

(01:17:47):
feel like we're just kind of every two years spitballing,
and you can't have this guy play with that guy.
And we have a smaller pool, and we didn't play terror.
I mean, the Europeans did not miss putts. They didn't
miss Putts. It was a putting contest essentially, But I
do feel like for the Europeans they're better at team selecting.

(01:18:10):
It feels like it's a bigger deal. The chemistry works.
It doesn't feel like you have as many egos, and
I'm I didn't get to watch as much as I
wanted to because I was glued to a T I
went to the USC game. I was glued to a
TV the last two days for twelve hours each day.
But I watched a lot of highlights and anytime I
could get it, I chased it. And I went to

(01:18:32):
people that I really respect in the golf industry, and
I just feel like chemistry importance. How much does it matter?
You know, they have like a Ryder Cup committee like
the Masters does, and it feels like, you know, in
the NFL we talked about how you're as good as
your front office. I feel like the writer the European

(01:18:54):
Ryder Cup front office is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
You know, you and I are good examples. We got
pretty lucky. We were born in a country where we
didn't need to leave it to do exactly what we
wanted to do. For Rory McElroy to be the best
golfer in the world. He had to come to America.
Same with Shane Lowry. Well, they both grew up together,
so they've known each other for twenty five plus years.
They're both mid thirties, so when they play together and

(01:19:19):
they won both their matches, those guys have been friends,
like growing up in Royal Port, Rush for twenty five
plus years. They've known each other price since they were eight, nine,
ten years old. You can't Scottie Scheffler's twenty eight years old,
so their friendship goes as long as he is old.
You can't the way Tommy Fleetwood holds justin Rose. Those
guys are both from the UK. They have known each

(01:19:41):
other forever and there is a bond that those guys have.
Terrell Hatton and Rahm dominated as a pairing these international
guys imagine coming to America. Now, by the time they
become stars, they make a lot of money, they can
live in the best places. They still don't know anyone here.
You know, I meet people that knew my dad or
whatever living in areas like there's just they don't have that.

(01:20:02):
Like Roy McElroy is not going to go to the
store in Kansas and go you know, I grew up
with your dad and text it like that's it doesn't exist.
So you are a true You're a foreigner coming here
and those guys are the only people you know, probably
especially those before you become stars. So that bond and
that relationship is different than our guys, who again they care.

(01:20:24):
Getting meant a lot t keik in, but you can't
fact factor in. And I was telling someone this when
we were back locking up a nice big deal for
the volume on Thursday night, that when you do a
deal in business, think how much more comfortable you are.
Like you've known Jamie Horror. It's a long time, yeah,
so when you do something with him, you are much

(01:20:44):
more confident if you were just doing a business deal
with a guy you met last week or last year.
There is something to be said when you hear about
some of these business partnerships or sports partnerships. Steph Clay
and Draymond played together for fifteen years, so when they
won that championship in twenty twenty two, they had kohe
built for over a decade. That matters, And there's something
like that in golf especially, it's not just for four

(01:21:06):
round stroke play. It's your dependent two of the rounds
are literally alternate shot. So you don't think Roy McElroy
and Shane Lowry tried that out when they were fourteen
years old playing on some crappy muni with no one watching,
Like you can't fake that. I mean, And there's also
a we're a little bit more of an individualistic society
over here in America.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Band you know, historically had bands. We had rock stars,
We had Elvis or James Brown. They had bands, they
had the Beatles. Because you had to back then, you
had to share equipment. You didn't have the money to
buy your own equipment. I mean, it's like legendary if
you go back and read the stories of it, Like
European kids had to join a band. You know, we
have a different society, so we elevate the individual which

(01:21:48):
is really beneficial. We celebrate success, but it does feel
like it matters more to them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
I would say this too, that they are pretty mentally tough.
When I was there on Friday, it wasn't as bad,
but yesterday I think it got pretty aggressive toward Rory,
and they could handle it pretty well. I mean, I
don't know if it was flip flopped and our guys
were getting it, we would have crumbled. Honestly, it felt
like they got more energy. And part of it is,

(01:22:16):
I mean Rory Rahm and any Fleetwood he'll win more.
I mean, Rory's gonna go down as one of the
greatest players of all time. Rom you know, he's already
won a couple of majors. He could end with four
or five. He's an all time great talent. Fleetwood clearly
is one of the better players going right now. When
we you and I went to Live Hatton, who is
an unreal player, Shane Lowry is just a vibess guide

(01:22:37):
is awesome. They have some serious talent who clearly are
mentally tough. Because Colin that was there were Europeans there,
but it was a lot of intoxicated Americans and as
the day went on it was hot and sunny. I
think saying, I mean Rory got his wife, got a
beer port on her and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Think he came back today, like listen, Ryder Cup It's no,
it's not the Phoenix Open, but it's known as rowdy, so.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
I'm not against it. I'm just saying, but they can
handle it where I just don't know if you had
flip flopped it, especially like JJ Spahn, I like JJ
spond Could you know, could those guys have handled or
even Scottie Scheffler just saying mean things about his kid
like that that's gonna happen and that's part of the
Ryder Cup. But what they were able to endure and play,
I mean, they had the greatest two day run in

(01:23:19):
the history of the event. And every player that's worth
their salt over the last one hundred years have played
in this thing. They it was basically it was impossible
for them to lose, and we were mounting the greatest
comeback of all time and it was still fell well
short because of the lead they had developed through two days.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah, people are saying they should cut alcohol sales, or
they should cut the crowd in half. I just thought
it became a putting contest and they putted better than
we did. Like Chambly, Brendan Chamblee was on the Golf
Channel and he has now it's been seen by you know,
a million people, but he just said, like, I mean
I looked it up now. I don't know if it

(01:23:54):
finished this way, but at one point Europe had eight
of the top nine putters at the Ryder Cup, some
of these I didn't feel like they missed. So, you know,
I like the Ryder Cup. It's just this weekend. It
was impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
It's hard to keep. No, it was totally. It was
the One thing I say about the alcohol sales is
this had to be besides like the f one in Vegas,
the most expensive American ticket, Like, I mean, it was
a thousand plus dollars for general admission. And you're walking
in the boxes, you know, walking in or like it
says Goldman Sacks. So it's not This is not the

(01:24:27):
top bowl of a Bill's Patriot game where you could
get in for fifty dollars. And I promise you this.
I had a few of them. The cocktails were all
like twenty two to twenty five dollars. So the people
screaming this stuff, I mean, it's probably a finance guy more,
you know, Merrill Lynch, right, you know, it's not just
like your normal riff raft. It's some of these sporting events.

(01:24:48):
So it gets a little hostile, gets crazy. But they
kicked our ass, and yeah, it was. It was quite it.
It's a pretty incredible events, just the amount of people
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
You know what though, the truth is, John, if you
go to the history of whether it's the World Cup
for the Americans if we're embarrassed, or the Olympics. We
don't like to be humiliated, and we kind of got humiliated.
There tends to be tipping points for our country. I mean,
like remember when John Thompson, the late John Thompson took
a basketball team to the Olympics and they got beat

(01:25:22):
and then we were like, okay, we're gonna have our
pros go like we're done with this shit. The history
of this country is when we get humiliated or taunted,
we tend to bounce back. Sometimes we get apathetic, and
Europe does not with a Ryder Cup and we do,
and you know, the world's biggest economy along with China,
and I think it will wake us up and to

(01:25:44):
take it more seriously. But if you look, I mean,
obviously this is where you want to golf if you're
the world's great as golfer. But it I just feel
like everything I read this weekend, it's more meaningful and
more organized. The Europeans do a better job of it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Well, I'll give you an idea. We got a guy,
you know, Keigan Bradley, was if he wasn't the captain,
he would have been on the team, so he played
a full schedule, did excellent. Well, I know, a guy
that's pretty patriotic used to train with the Navy Seals.
It doesn't have much going on anymore in terms of
he's not a players. Tiger Woods who kind of turned
this one down. Uh, he got injured and you know,
the tour was going through a lot of stuff. But

(01:26:23):
to me, it's like, hey, Tiger, you're going to be
the captain for the next six We'll sign you to
like a three you know event deal. Over the course
of six years, there'll be three different we want you
to do it. You have all your ideas, you build
this team. Honestly, there were times today and Keegan's good
buddies with Michael Jordan. I can imagine some of our
guys looking over kind of get intimidated seeing Michael, like

(01:26:44):
I it's good Michael, Like for Scotti, Scheffler. Maybe we
got some other guys that have never been in this environment.
They look leftter there's Michael freaking Jordan. I mean that
might have been a lot, but he's not nice to
win for the Europeans.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
John middle Coaff, former NFL scout three and out Go
Low his golf podcast and hour and a half. This
was fun. Thanks Buddy, see you Colin.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
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