Colin Cowherd Podcast - Chiefs Start 0-2 After Loss To Eagles, Will Bears BENCH Caleb Williams? Colts & Cowboys Better Than Advertised, Brutal Loss For Broncos - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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All right. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout Out is his
podcast We do our Sunday night hour, plus a lot
to talk about Let's not waste any time. Philly beats

(01:07):
Kansas City twenty seventeen. Although the deep over the top
throw by Mahomes made it feel kind of closer than
it was. It did feel like in the second half.
John Philadelphia in my lifetime does a better job at
one thing than any time I've ever seen. If they
need a yard, two yards or three yards between the

(01:29):
O line, Hurts Saquon and some of their sort of
counter tight end rollout moves. I mean, it's just automatic.
They are so good and Hurts, you know, let's be honest,
Hurts trailing in the pocket is not my favorite guy
in the league. I don't think that's a specialty. But

(01:49):
I really this is one of those games. There was
never a point. I kept thinking Philadelphia is gonna eventually
wear this team down, and I'm kind of surprised Kansas
City clawed their way back. What are your basic interpretations
from what you saw?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
You know, I thought, going into that drive where Travis
it hits off his hands and they pick it off
and they take it to the fifty, and I mean
that tackle Josh Simmons running down the field to save
the game. I thought, if Kansas City scored there, now,
I don't know if they could slow down Philly they
had that time, But I mean, you just never know
with Sakuon, like you said, some big playmakers. They were

(02:26):
just gonna have to win that game on Guyle toughness,
and it was gonna be if they had pulled that off.
Let's say Kelsey catches it or that doesn't happen and
they score just an incredible championship like metal type game
for them. But they don't have much right now. You know,
Worthy being hurt, Rice being suspended, You know that. I
thought Travis was having a good game until that moment.

(02:47):
Obviously Patrick missed you know Thornton earlier. Yeah, in that drive,
we ended up hitting him, which might have given them
a little more time. They wouldn't have to force it.
Let's face at Kansas City right now. I expected defensively,
they got shredded last game against her and and Hirts
treaded them in the Super Bowl, so I knew that
they were going to bring it defensively. But offensively, I mean,
they got an old Kelsey Hollywood Brown. I mean their

(03:11):
running backs are okay, they run hard, but are they
starting on most of the teams in the league.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, I think they'll be fine when they get
Rashi Rice back in four weeks. I think they will.
I think they'll find their way. Denver losing the game
they should have won today, that's a huge break for them.
So I mean that that game ends up being big
for them big.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, in Monday night football, someone has to lose between
the Chargers and there, so you're not They're not running
away with you, I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
But I did feel and you know, Chiefs fans don't
want to hear this, but I felt like Sirianni and
Jalen Hurts. Sirianni was coaching with a lot of confidence,
like when they when they took a lead, his whole
thing was, guys, we can just ground this out. Let's
not take any big I mean, they didn't take one
big shot down the field to Devonte Smith and they

(03:57):
hit on that. But I felt Philadelphia's kind of felt like, Okay,
we're on the road, we have the better roster, We're
gonna grind these guys out in the second half. And
it was just one of those things, especially after that
interception on the deflection. And let's be honest, if you
have a great coach, great coordinator, spags and a great
quarterback at home after you were humiliated in the Super Bowl,

(04:20):
the game was gonna be close. The line was one
and a half. It was I said it Friday on
the Herd. I'm like, guys, it's gonna be a close
game late and Philadelphia will situationally get a key first
down or four and win. So the game kind of
looked like I thought, But I thought Philadelphia I felt
in the fourth quarter John, they felt they had the game.
It's like they brought in a closer in baseball and

(04:42):
they kind of I mean, how many times did they
use the tush push today? Seven nine, a lot?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well. Brady mentioned it though on the goal line play
where the two guys jumped off side, they didn't call it,
and that that obviously was a huge play in the game.
I do think the Chiefs they everything they have, they
just don't have much right now. And one elephant in
the room is Kelsey's old Now. Now, granted he was
having a good game relative to what he's been in

(05:10):
the regular season, but man, that play where the dude
picks it off and takes it to midfield and they
end up scoring was a crippling moment for a team.
This is not the twenty nineteen, twenty twenty twenty twenty
one version they cannot score against. Let's face, they're playing
Vic Fangio, who's one of, if not the best defensive
coordinator in the league, with just a really good defensive personnel, right,

(05:31):
I mean, you see Jordan Davis looks. Look how that
guy physically looks. Fantastic. Obviously, Jalen Carter's one of the
best players. You know, Vaughn all their you know, defensive backs.
Mitchell's a really good player. So that's a tough loss.
I mean, that's that's pretty devastating because you threw everything
you had, Your coaching was at a high level, your

(05:51):
quarterback was just trying to will his way, and you're
just still not good enough. Right, So you've had two
straight weeks, right, you know, the Eagles are going to
be one of the best teams in the league all
season long. The Chargers obviously, if Herbert's gonna play at
that level, they're gonna be an awesome team. And you've
lost two games right against really good teams. That's where
it's like, you hope once these guys come back Rice
off the suspension, you know, if Worthy can get healthy,

(06:14):
you're just gonna have to win these games off. Guyle
in toughness, but eventually you kind of run out of gas, right.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
And Denver's got a better roster. But Denver gave that
game away late today against Indy. Three dumb penalties in
the last four to twenty. So again you get a
break in division, and the Chargers probably beat the Raiders,
So you know, I still contend they're gonna be a
wild card team in this division. They'll be fine all right.
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was hard to watch, but I watched almost all of it,
Detroit fifty two Bears twenty one. Outside of Roma Dunze
for the Bears, not much worked, you know I was.
And by the way, why the Lions they go for
it so not kicking field goals. That's just who they are.

(07:04):
That's Dan Campbell. So you gotta get over that Bears fan.
But I gotta tell you I watched that game today
and after the first drive, take the first drive out
last couple of weeks, Bears will look fine. It's a
timing offense and Caleb Williams does not appear to see
the field once he's off script, and it just becomes
ad libbing. It's backyard football. I don't think this is

(07:28):
gonna work.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's the second week in a row, the first series again,
they dial up. They got about eight to ten plays.
It looks fine, it's very tight, but how many plays
can you script? And then they go off script and
he clearly Caleb doesn't see the field particularly well. And
then then he's flushed out of the pocket. He made

(07:51):
six seven, eight throws today, rolling to his right. He
just kind of threw it up for grabs. A couple
were picked, a couple were caught. But you know, I'm
I'm looking at my notes here and yeah, I just
keep writing their ad libbing again, ad libbing. I mean,
there's just nothing about it except Roma Dunza. You'd feel

(08:14):
good by the way Luther Burden Missouri did he play?
Did he suit up Loveland? The kid from Michigan Courtland
Loveland or is it Loveland Courtland? I forget the Michigan
Michigan tidy end.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
He had no catches.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
So I mean, like they have weapons, they've drafted good players.
They can't get them the ball. I think this thing
could go sideways real fast.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Do you know what I wrote down. I watched two
documentaries in the last week, Billy Joel and Charlie Sheen,
and whenever they get married, you could see the divorce
coming from a mile away, especially with Charlie, and in
this situation, I've been saying that from it doesn't just
speak for quarterbacks in the NFL. You could be a
talented player and Caleb, to me is a major question mark.
But we have seen Hall of Fame guys get with

(08:59):
the coordinator and it not work. Scheme is in basketball,
whatever plays you're running, if I'm a great player, you're
gonna make it work, and I'm not going anywhere. That's
not the way football works. Then you factor in, Like
you said, there was an interception he threw today, there
was classic usc He rolls to his right, hero ball,
throws an awful pick. It leads to a touchdown. I

(09:21):
can't remember if it was fourteen fourteen at the time
or twenty one to fourteen, but it was one of
those plays they show Ben Johnson getting really mad. That
cannot happen, right. Obviously, there are gonna be plays where
nothing's there. The Lions are gonna be hard to beat
at home. I like the Lions a lot today in
this game, but I didn't expect to see fifty to
twenty or whatever the final score was. But this is

(09:41):
a this is a marriage that is not meant to be.
Their styles do not mesh up. And we have seen
time and time again that these coordinators with quarterbacks when
I do not pick you. Here's the thing with bo Nicks,
who threw a bad second half pick. He played an
excellent first half, but Sean Payton is tied to him.
That's his guy. He loved him right. There is a

(10:03):
like that power of when I draft you, when I
believed in you from before you become an NFL player,
is powerful that it's not. Ben Johnson took this job,
maybe intrigued by Caleb, but you see through two weeks
his his mannerisms on the sideline with his face, and
it's that this was an eberflu's game. I mean, this
was pretty embarrassed. It's not all Caleb's fault. This was

(10:23):
not like he was worse last week. But this is
not this This the Bears are a joke. Colin. You
and I've been talking the organization. I wrote down Ryan
Poles is this is this roster the most overrated roster
we've heard in that last couple of years. Listen, the
Lions are missing players from last year and that looked
like Georgia playing cal Pally or something. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, and it's funny. I remember before Caleb got drafted.
I'm a good friend of mine is Steve Kayin, And
I said, you know, what do you make? Could jump
it in the stands for Caleb Williams with his mom
and crying and the fingernail polish, And Steve's not a
real judgmental guy. And Steve was like, don't love it.
I'm not to see he goes. You know, if a

(11:04):
guy's talent, he's telling he goes. But he's a very
emotional player and he goes, you know. And Steve has
taught me this through the years. Like quarterbacks one of
those positions where you really need somebody that's even keel
and puts out fires. Football is an incredibly emotional game,
and as your teammates are getting emotional and the coaches

(11:25):
are getting emotional, you know, when you're on Tom Brady
love to celebrate, but in the moment of a game.
Tom was very even keel and Caleb's averia. You can
see his sideline demeanor. He plays with a ton of
emotion and he gets really amped up. He also lose
I think sometimes Caleb loses confidence when I watch him

(11:47):
like his his his accuracy is all over the map,
so that that feels like a confidence in mechanics issue.
And I don't know, I just look at it, and
I think this is a coach wants a certain quarterback stylistically,
probably much more like Sean Payton, where you can augment

(12:08):
the timing game with I mean bow Nicks and Sean
bow moves. They move the pocket a lot for bow Nicks,
as you should. But there's I sat there today and
my notes are all negative on Chicago.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
There was a couple plays today in and I'll take
the l on Jalen Hurts. I never thought in a
million years he would be a functional NFL quarterback, let
alone a Super Bowl champion. And we can debate where
he ranks or whatever, But there were a couple of
plays today where Spags brings the entire house and he
sits in there to the last second and he throws
his one on one matchup and he's gonna get just mollywopped,

(12:46):
and one he hit the smith and I think he
missed another one. But it's just this guy just kind
of knows what he's doing, and he's an athletic ad
lib and theory, but he can play in big spots. Caleb.
When sometimes there's pressure and there's nothing you can do,
you gotta kind of scramble. There are times where it's
just like he's just taken off. For years, Mark Schlaroth
was one of the only guys saying everyone acts like

(13:06):
these offensive linemen and Seattle suck. Maybe some of it's
Russell Wilson, right, And remember he would just run into
sacks and you watch him today when that head goes
down and you just scramble into guys that is quarterback
one on one that the coaches hate, right head down
and his head goes down, and then he moves all
the time like Mahomes, whether he misses or makes the throw,

(13:28):
his head's always up moving around. Jalen Hurts, he even Kyler.
Kyler's head is up. Now he scrambles, probably sometimes at
the wrong time, but his head's up looking to throw.
Caleb just looks in the Crown, and then it becomes
I this, there's no way this is sustainable. Obviously you
start losing like this. But Ben Johnson's not going down

(13:49):
with the ship with this guy. Why because Sean Payton
will go down with bo Nicks, right, Andy Reid will
go down with Mahomes. I'm not comparing those two situations.
But my point is I'm all in on. You can't
convince me after a couple of weeks that Ben Johnson
is going to be all in with this guy for
seventeen games. It's not possible. And they're clearly the worst
team in there. I mean, the Packers looked like a juggernaut.

(14:10):
We saw the Lions. Turns out they're not as bad.
Why because the Packers are really good and we'll see
how Minnesota looks tonight. But clearly Minnesota's just they just
beat the Bears, So I mean, they're just a better operation.
The Bears are in major trouble. Guy.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, and I there's a reason in the preseason that
Ben Johnson made a point. I mean, remember we came
on this podcast and we said he was glowing with
Tyson bage and he's so smart man. He's having a
great camp about a week later, they signed him to
a very big backup contract. I think Caleb gets one

(14:46):
more start and if it's ugly, can Ben come out
and go Listen, Caleb's gonna be fine. You sell that
to the media, but he needs a week off, He
needs to get some stuff right. We need to figure
out a way to keep this ship going. I could
see one more start, I really could, and then you

(15:07):
go to Tyson invasion.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I would say you're crazy, because once you Bensham, you're done.
But we just saw last year. Who knows. I mean,
Bryce Young is any good or not? I have my
reservations at this point. But Panthers just did it and
he was the number one overall pick as well, So
there's precedent in the league of like, hey, you can
bench a guy, bring him back. What are the Bears
gonna do? Lose more games? I mean, what are we

(15:29):
talking about at this point? So yeah, I would say
moving forward, everything's on the table. And if you're Ben Johnson,
like you clearly don't care about feelings.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
The one thing I didn't quite realize he's wired. You know,
he's not like a Lucy goosey offensive coach, you know,
like Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay always smiling like he feels
more like a Shanahan Son like kind of angry. Never
smiles like this. This is just it's way. I bet
against it to jump from the jump. It's way ugler
than I thought. And today was like a referendum, not

(15:59):
just on Caleb, the entire organization. I mean Ryan Poles
the last.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Earth I've watched Pennix. I would make a bet now
that he can play. I've watched JJ McCarthy to some degree,
and it helps that he has Kevin O'Connell and Brian Flores,
but he'll be able to play. Bo Nix can play.
Jaden's a star. Drake May doesn't have a ton of
pocket presence, but again today he moves the chains. I

(16:25):
don't think he's great. I think he needs another year.
I mean that's what they said about Drake May when
he came in. He is unrefined. But it is very
possible from what I've seen, and it's not close. We're
going to have five hits and one miss and the
number one guy is going to be the worst quarterback
in the class.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think the thing with Caleb Williams, Yeah, I mean
it's it's sure headed that way right now. I mean,
he's a disaster. I don't care what stats you give
me last year. I think when you have that great
of an arm, and Caleb has a fantastic arm, I
think sometimes in which is human nature or maybe you
struggle to develop other parts of your game. And the

(17:04):
touch on his ball, to me, that's glaring, Like he
just has no touch on the ball. And he's one
of those guys that feels like he really struggles to
kind of throw a softball a change up because watching
him play, did you realize he was this good of
an athlete in college? Like he's I know, he could
scramble around, but he moves really.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Good well in person when you see him his head,
his shoulders, he's six feet tall. He feels when you're
around him like he's six'. Fourd he is thick and, Powerful.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
And wasn't that the thing with Young Russ wilson's, like, wait,
hey he's got a huge, arm throws a great deep.
Ball But russ had a lot of touch and maybe
it was that it was he a second. Baseman, yeah
he had some feel to. Him and you Watch caleb
like he could not play second. Base that ball would
be chuck knoblock all over the. Place and, that to
me is where you get The Ben johnson stuff is like,
well a huge part of his, offense in his entire

(17:55):
scheme is touch. Place look look At Jared goff. Today
a lot of. It IT'S i, mean he threw a
couple of, bombs but it's a lot of just get
the ball out of your hands a couple of, steps
throw it across the, middle hit guys in, stride even
if you miss a little, bit throw it, behind give
him a catchable. Ball caleb throws some balls that Even
Randy moss or you, Know Jared riises their prime would

(18:17):
have a problem.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Catching he rolls out a. LOT i think You're the
one point you made THAT i really agree with is
that he just puts his head down and he is
now a running back and then they're just it's just
not working. Again Roma dunze is a very good. Player
but Where's Luther, burden this kid From, MISSOURI i Mean Colston,

(18:37):
loveland you, know the tight end From. Michigan where are?
THEY i, mean it's just you've got to USE i,
Mean i'm watching all these Bo nix is getting everybody
touches for The Denver, Broncos, franklin The oregon Kid, mims
everybody's the tight. ENDS i, mean he's spraying the ball,
around everybody's getting. TOUCHES i mean In, chicago it's like

(18:58):
if you're THE, gm you've got to be. Watched and it's, thinking,
bro these are good. Players So i'm almost interested in
Watching Tyson. BAGEN i think, OFFENSIVELY i think they actually
have some skill and they're just Not they're Not caleb's
not equipped to get them the.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Ball, well look at And i'm sure we'll talk about this.
Game is the thing that stood out to. Me, now
whether they got lucky to win the, game we could
probably argue all day. Long Indianapolis. Colts obviously in a
perfect world you would get a star. Quarterback but if
you just get me a point, guard they can get
me double digit assists even if he can't. Score, now
And Daniel jones actually is playing playing well this, year

(19:34):
but he's Got they got good. Players they got three
or four wide, receivers they got this top ten or
more and the t because he went after. Leveling he
was making plays all. Day they have a star running
back and you're watching a guy just distribute and you're,
like this team fretty physically gifted on the, skills, Right
but you didn't feel that With Anthey richison because balls are,

(19:54):
skipping he's, running he's getting, sacked And Daniel jones just
get it to THE, ba the, guys to the. Guys
they're just Making they.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Were ten for ten in their first ten possessions this.
Year and to your, point their rosters. EXCELLENT i don't
Think indy's a great, team but it's a prime example
is they have a good roster and they're using every
player on their roster. Offensively every single one is. Contributing
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i just. Did, okay let's Talk dallas Forty New York
giants thirty. Seven in the early windows given us some.
GEMS i, mean there were five lead changes in the fourth.

(20:45):
Quarter dallas. Prevails Russell wilson played, brilliantly had a terrible
pick on an alleyute ball in. Overtime dak had a
huge run that set up the game winning field. Goal
my takeaway in this was that until that terrible bick in,
OVERTIME i thought both quarterbacks played, really really well and

(21:08):
it did remind me a little bit of Old, russ
Where russ was good, Moving russ was good on stuff
underneath twelve yards in, closer And russ was good. Deep
the problem is if he and neighbors is a and
were both good deep. Receivers the problem is if he
doesn't have that and you ask him to dissect a
defense with seam, routes that's not what he. Does he

(21:30):
can move around and he throws a really nice deep. Ball,
now we had one terrible pick in, ot but it
did Look Jackson dark came in for a player, too
but it did look a little bit like the Old Russell.
Wilson did it?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Not it?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Did here's the.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
End.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Listen i'm not trying to diminish what we. Witnessed it
was really it was fun throughout the. Game his pick
had a, little i would, say reminiscent of like THAT
farv pick in a playoff game out of. Nowhere because
he's playing a great game and all of a sudden
the ball down the middle of the. Field The cowboys
defense could just be, Horrendous like they could be, really
really bad because it's not normal to throw go routes

(22:06):
over and over and you don't do that against any other.
Team AND i Think olsen pointed this out like there
was no. Disputing in his, heyday he was as good
of a deep, ball go ball airing it out quarterback
as we've ever. SEEN i, mean definitely of his, era
he's the. BEST i mean you See mahomes. OVERTHROW i
mean he throws a beautiful go route and it was

(22:28):
fun to. WATCH i also think that there was a
moment that got The cowboys they have this. WEAPON i,
mean the kid didn't even play college. Football he was
A Notre dame soccer. Player, colin you've been watching football
longer than. Me when have you ever seen people comfortable
kicking sixty plus yard field? GOALS i, mean that's this
is unheard. OF i, mean that would have been good
from seventy. Yards but The, giants you, know part of

(22:51):
zone defense is you go to. Spots, right there's a
point in time in football where it's like you can't
just drop to your landmark when the game is on
the line And ferguson's running right down the, field move
over a couple of yards and come From they just
Gave Dak prescott And ferguson like a twenty yard game
and it Put. Brent and it's like this is that's

(23:11):
low level football and that play won't be talked, about
but you should never allow. Them and Even olsen's, like
why are they playing so far? Off you're just giving
them that they got good skill. PLAYERS i, mean The
giants should. HAVE i can't even imagine if You're brian Day, Ball,
like IF i can't win this, game what game AM
i going to?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Win, yeah And i've Defended brian Day, ball but there
were twenty six penalties in this. GAME i thought The
giants multiple times had this game. ONE i will say,
THIS i was, harsh you, know and Maybe i'm too harsh,
sometimes BUT i you, Know Brian schottenheimer had not interviewed
for a head coaching job in fourteen, years and the
people in the league THAT i talked, to he's an
old school offensive. Coach now he's an offensive, coach but

(23:51):
he's very old. School he's not innovative and. Creative he's
not you, Know he's not like a lot of these
guys that we you, Know Liam cohens or, McVeigh who
are A kevin. O'cann BUT i will say he is
a walk around coach where he lets his assistants. Coach,
now maybe that bites him, later BUT i gotta tell
you WHEN i Watched, Dak.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Dak is.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Comfortable George pickett is made an immediate. Impact they're getting
the ball to ceedee. LAMB i think their offensive lines
playing pretty. Well it, definitely, yeah their secondary is not.
GREAT i mean it's just their defensive personnel isn't. Great
but their offensive personnel is, okay and they look fairly well.
COACHED i always judge, this are you getting the ball

(24:35):
to the right? People they, Are they're getting the ball
to the right. Players and you, Know i'll say this For.
DAK i, MEAN i think his numbers thirty three or forty,
five two hundred and ninety three. YARDS i, think you,
know sometimes you have these surgeries and you're never the,
same and sometimes you have him they clean stuff. UP
i Think dak's got some. JUICE i think HE'S i

(24:57):
think he looks really alive and really, active and even
though they're only one and one and could be zero to.
Two they went straight up Against, philadelphia played him as
close or better Than Kansas, city and they won a
game they could have lost all those lead. CHANGES i Think,
dallas even though they're just one in, one is one
of the surprises of the league so. Far they look very.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Competent, Well i'll say, this you, Know George pickens for
the majority of playoff, TEAMS i don't think they would
mess with LIKE i can't See sean McVay dealing with.
THEM i can't See sean McDermott dealing with them because
there'll be plays that are there to be made and
he just kind of like, whatever kind of puts his hands.
Up but then he also makes really good plays once
the ball is in his. Hands and, listen when you

(25:41):
are The cowboys, coach you don't pick the. Players you
have nothing to do with the. Roster you just coach the.
Team and they are force feeding him the, ball you.
Know and he has added an element to their team,
that let's face, it they didn't have last year because
they didn't have a number two wide. Receiver so to
go along With ceede Lamb I ferstan' is a good
Player Javonte. Williams, uh he was a hyped guy coming

(26:02):
out of, college had that bad knee. Injury he's. Playing
he just gives. THEM i mean they did not have
a running back last. YEAR i mean they had no running.
Backs you get, him like you said there if you
told Me Brian schottenheimer took over The bears like he
would be done from the, beginning like like most, guys,
probably but some of. These dak is a professional quarter,
yes and if he's gonna be, healthy that is, uh you,

(26:24):
know it's it's a pretty good landing spot. Now, Now,
DEFENSIVELY i, mean how many games you're gonna? Win forty?
Three they, DON'T i, mean by the, way so they're
they're gonna lose a lot of games because they can't
stop the. Soul but, offensively which is his side of the,
ball they have been really good through two, GAMES i
mean really.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Good, yeah AND i AND i and again it's you,
know it's hard to predict who's gonna. Work half of
these coordinators don't work at. All Liam cohen today With, Jacksonville,
jesus he's barking At Trevor. Lawrence they got N thomas
doesn't want to he's shying away from. CONTRACT i think that.
Unravel it's It's jacksonville like can unravel by next. Week you,
Know Zach taylor can't win In, September burrows hurt. AGAIN i,

(27:04):
mean there's a lot of offensive coaches we don't know
how good they are so and a lot of you,
know it's just very hard in this league to. Know
we Knew Andy reid was going to succeed when he
went To Kansas. City we Knew harball was going to
succeed with The. Chargers Dan quinn felt, like you, know
he knows what he's doing With Cliff. Kingsbury BUT I Brian,
Shottenneimer i've got to be fair about this IS i
didn't think it was going to. WORK i thought he

(27:25):
was over his. Head but you, know here's the other.
Thing dak was good With Jason, garrett he was good
With mike, McCarthy And dak is good With Brian. Schottenheimer
dak's pretty. Good, yeah he.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
IS i just think like we just have to embrace
he is what He you, know he's the, seventh, eighth,
ninth tenth. Guy he's never going to be a top five.
Quarterback and if you get, him the, personnel a running,
game the offensive. Line here's Where i'll Give jerry slash
his personal people. Credit look at The, bears Like rome
had a good, game And i'd say relative to where

(27:58):
he's been, drafted pretty under right Relative AND i think
people were hoping he'd be a superstar and we'll. See but,
like if you could do that, over they would have
taken offensive. Lineman if you were The, bears taken a
tackle the kid From Penn, state, right if they could do,
it that's who you would.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Take.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Jerry they are, valuing you, know they Traded Michael, parson
but they drafted them. High they draft pass, rushers defensive,
lineman offensive, lineman like they do have the right philosophical
belief on how to build En.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
John remember when The lakers Traded. Shack they were going
to lose that trade the first two years Because shaq
went To, miami but it was the right. Decision shaq
fell apart, physically didn't practice as, hard so you just
had to eat a dirt sandwich for a, year knowing
you'd get crushed if you were The lakers because you
traded the much more likable and Popular shack who went

(28:47):
to an excellent organization and won a. Title but over
a course of the next eight, Years, kobe who was
obsessed with practice and, games was the better. Move when
you traded at The Green, bay you are going to
lose for a. Year you're gonna lose that. Trade but next,
Draft dallas could turn those two. Ones Because dak's playing

(29:09):
at a high. Level they don't need a. Quarterback if
they end up with eleventh, pick somebody's moving up for a,
quarterback and they could get another, two another, three another.
Four dallas may be able. To next year's draft is
considered above. Average dallas could restock its entire roster next. Year, so,
yeah you're gonna lose them Because mike is playing for

(29:31):
The packers and it's a team that just Needed. Micah
they just needed a. Playmaker and so you're gonna be
reminded Every sunday Or. Monday, god what were we? Doing
wait Till april And dallas is gonna look really.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Smart the timing of For. Jerry jerry should have done
it before the, draft but obviously once he did, it
he didn't want to trade him with The. Packers did
you read the story he tried to trade him The
jets and the, like, yeah we saw the money or.
Whatever so at Least jerry knew And philly gave him
the best. Offer but obviously you can't trade Him. Philly
but Green, bay were you a little surprised that they
were really the only team willing because obviously not shocked at.

(30:07):
All howie And Jeffrey lewie were, willing but none of
THE afc. Teams AND i understand cap wise and be
a little but if You're, BUFFALO i, MEAN i, mean
imagine If buffalo had done in.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Green, bay because if you really look at What Green bay,
is they have their, quarterback they have their, weapons they
have their interior, alignment they have their tight, ends they
have their, coach they have their star. Back they're one
of those teams that can give away first round picks
the next two. Years they really. CAN'T i mean they
what they can't guarantee is That micah would be available

(30:40):
because they're going to draft deep at the end of
the first. Round so Green bay's, like we can't get
a guy that would be a lottery pick. Player we
never get into the lottery. Pick we give up a.
One SO i think it makes a ton of sense
for Green Bay dallas needs, PLAYERS i mean their. DEFENSE i,
mean you could go into next year's, draft which is
a good quarterback, Draft dallas first six picks for, defense

(31:02):
you'd be, like, yeah absolutely they if THEY i mean
you could see them doing. That they maybe a running
back some point in the first five. Picks BUT i
think it works for both. Teams it's just gonna look
bad For dallas for Until april.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
One one thing watching The chiefs, today who obviously are
gonna be good on defense and have excellent team. Speed you,
Know jalen couldn't just run around. Today and if you're The, packers,
like who are the top couple teams you need to? Beat,
well it's obviously The. Eagles and remember that playoff game
Against Green bay OR i mean Against. Philly for Green,
Bay jalen made some big time plays with his. Legs
now you're watching their whole defense feels faster with Mic

(31:38):
o right and Obviously micah speed is you, know pretty
elite for an edge rusher and he. Does feel it's
pretty rare in, football Like, buffalo are they truly a player?
WAY i feel like on defense and eat a couple
of players like The Green bay looking at it and
they kind of feel like they were a player. Truly
Now i'm not saying The bills can't like win The Super,
bowl BUT i don't know if they were a. Player

(32:00):
so maybe that's how they justified not making The.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Sure they didn't want to Trade Kenny, clark but the
truth is they did and they're. Fine they had they've you,
know they just, draft, well you go to last thirty,
years they, draft, well when's the last time they missed
on a wide, receiver a tight? End they just don't
been a. While, Yeah so all, right here's a game
that there's a lot to. Discuss seattle thirty One pittsburgh.
Seventeen it looks Like seattle had a dynamic day, offensively they.

(32:25):
Didn't pittsburgh gave them a. Touchdown it was fourteen and to.
Fourteen it felt like for a long STRETCH i had
the under on this. GAME i felt great Until Caleb
johnson forgot the rules on the. Kickoff so you, know
again this game two takeaways BEFORE i get to the
botched play by The. Steelers they can't run the. Ball

(32:48):
it does feel a lot like The jets. Offense it's
an average offensive, line just Like New. York they can't
run the. Ball they averaged three yards to carry Against.
Seattle aaron had a couple of. Picks he was eighteen
for thirty. Three one of his receivers made a mistake
in the red, zone ran the wrong. Route SO i

(33:10):
listened to his post game today and it sounded a
lot Like Aaron rodgers with The, jets where he's playing
with some young guys that aren't up to his. Speed
and truth, Is aaron's really. Smart it's hard as a
young player to be up with him intellectually and cerebrally
Because aaron's playing upstairs another level in the most guys
like an Older. Brady so you know my take is

(33:33):
IS i said this. BEFORE i think this is one
of the Ones i'm right. ON i said they won't
run the ball Because tomlin can't figure out the old.
Line the old line will be maybe better than The,
jets but not. Great it's going to feel like a
much more, refined, polished well run version of The. Jets
AND i gotta be honest with, You, john that's what

(33:55):
the offense looks.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Like you, said average offensive line feels like a stretch to.
ME i might even go below. Average and maybe once
you start paying all these. GUYS i would Put cincinnati
in the same kind of vein the offensive, line like the,
resource because if you miss on a draft, pick all
of a sudden arrow who can't really move as well.
Anymore even when he makes his great blaze, grambling it

(34:17):
feels like he's kind of moving in quicksand relative to
the guy that we you, know knew a decade ago
when he was. Younger their offensive lines getting him. Killed
and to, me the thing is, one how often you
gonna see ten points scored in two? Plays they kick
a field, goal they kick it, off and when he
Touched Caleb, johnson WHO i was high, ON i like.
It it's clearly been a disaster. THEM i mean that.

(34:40):
PLAY i don't if you told me next week he's
inactive as Of like we just we talk about a
guy that he's a break like what was that he just?
Quit maybe he doesn't know the, rule which to me
would also be on the. Coach and they have a
great special teams. Coach but that was they got the ball.
Back you, know they kick a field goal and it
is twenty four to seventeen and the defense just needs

(35:03):
to get to. Stop, well all of you know they're PAYING. Tj,
Watt Cam hayward's getting a. Raise they get these two.
Dbs if they're, defense they're The Pittsburgh. Steelers and seatgle
goes right down and scores a. Touchdown it's, like, well
if you were going to be decent at all this
year and be real, like, okay this is finally the
year With Aaron rodgers you can win a playoff. Game
you're going to be a top two or three, defense you,
know and the defense right now through two games is nowhere.

(35:26):
NEAR i Mean Sam donald throws a couple of picks
early in the. Game this should be a game that
they dominate this. Team seattle's got one wide receiver who's
an excellent. Player but it's not like they got some potent.
Offense you, know still will not.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Only win one. Way it's got to be low. Scoring
it's got to be you, Know sam had an occasional big,
play you, Know aaron when he throws the ball TO Dk,
metcalf then he had one of the tie end in
the end. Zone aaron still throws that red zone ball
definitely as well as anybody in the. League but the
question is how often would this on line and run.
Game are they going to get into the red? Zone.
Aaron aaron needs certain things. Protection he throws a beautiful,

(36:02):
ball those back shoulder. Throws it's. Gorgeous it's as good
as anybody that's ever thrown. It BUT i look At
pittsburgh and between the snaff who on the, kickoff the
lack of the run, game it's just it is exactly The,
jets but it's just a much less chaotic. Organization well.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Exactly and isn't, that you, Know Mike, tomlin this fifteen
to twenty million dollar, coach they're gonna Be you would just, say,
hey they're gonna be buttoned up a well run, operation
even whether they have the high end talent or, not
they're gonna be buttoned up and they're gonna be. Tough
While i'm watching this, team they don't physically look as
tough as they've been in some of his heyday teams
and buttoned. UP i, mean they got this rookie out
there that doesn't even know what's going, on just hands

(36:42):
over seven points in the game THAT i, mean that
was the game right. THERE i, mean once that play,
happens it's like that that that derailed, them which it
would derail any. Team but how can that? Happen and
you know the old adage you're coaching allowed to. Happen
how are you having the kid out? There if he's
been that big of a disaster for you'd even put
him in that? SITUATION i think some you know their
roster and, listen MAYBE i DID i overrated a little

(37:05):
bit because they're forcing. It obviously they're putting him out.
There he's their best. Option maybe they're not as good
as you. Think and you Know Aaron rodgers getting. Peppered you, know,
Say i'd say the same thing About cincinnatim, like, OH
i think they could be do. Well if your offensive
line is a shift and can't block a soul THE,
NFL i, MEAN i don't you could play average. Team
they're gonna have some pass. Rush your quarterback is gonna get.
Killed so unless you Got Lamar jackson back, there these

(37:26):
guys are gonna get. Hit and all of a, sudden
Is Aaron rodgers this the way it's going right? Now
is he gonna make it seventeen games at this? Age?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yes? Way you know it's it's you, Know aaron had
an eye roll moment and then he called out a
teammate at the podium after he was. Right but, GENERALLY i,
mean Bo knicks could call out three of his teammates.
Today he did they they that, kick they had the game.
One Boon nicks is not going to go to the
podium and call people, Out but That's aaron's sense of

(37:55):
value that he's just going to do. It so it's
feeling to me a lot like The, jets Where aaron's
gonna call out. Teammates he's gonna have weird body. Language
they'll be the occasional eye. Roll he'll be, like, well you,
know we got some young. Players, listen go watch The
Denver indie. Game denver made three Idiotic Sean payton And.
Bownick that's just part of pro. Sports the game is,

(38:15):
fast the rosters are younger than they've ever. Been SO i.
Listen seattle wins one. Way it was a nice win For.
SEATTLE i, mean if you if you go into the
season and you're, like, hey we go on the road
and Beat. PITTSBURGH i don't care how Good pittsburgh. Is
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(40:24):
Because i'm never gonna do this and not Talk. Niners
niners Beat New orleans twenty, six twenty. One SO i
had a couple of Friends they're, like why pay Brock.
Purty they're. Laughing Mac jones goes twenty six of thirty,
nine three hundred eighty, yards three, tds no picks Without
Brandon ayuk excellent on third. Down they had three hundred

(40:46):
and forty five total. Yards it, is AND i Think
kevin O'Connell has. THIS i think McVeigh to a degree has.
IT i think brock pretty moves much better than Mac.
Jones but as you noted this week in your, podcast
is hurt. Again so they got a pretty team friendly
deal with Brock. Purty But Matt, jones who was you,

(41:08):
know he was. DONE i mean the league like had
said you're. Done AND i looked at him today And
John ifidd had never seen him play to go on the.
Road he was pretty, impressive was he?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Not? Yeah early on it was a little, uh little,
bumpy and even he, said you, know he's worked on his.
Breathing he was amped, up And Trent williams essentially looked
at him, said, relax, buddy we're gonna be, okay and
any calmed. Down but as the game went, on he
he he played really. Well saints DEFENSE i think is pretty.
Bad they're back, seven so you're. Not it's a little

(41:40):
like playing In miami and defensively he's not very. Good
But Kyle shanahan liked this guy coming out for reason
fits his. Scheme like you, Said pretty to me is
a much better. Player but as the game went, on
here's the. Thing, yeah they actually Have i'd Say pretty
is slightly better, armed but neither guy has a great.
Arm McCaffrey's healthy right. Now he's making a lot of.
Plays Rick Ky piersall through two games looks like a

(42:01):
player Like Ricky piersoll's really really. Good Juwan jennings is.
Healthy he made some play. Today And Kyle, shanahan here's
what the Thing i'll say about just in, general if
your backup, court if you have a guy that's on
a big contract for at starting, quarterback and you can
go on the, road whether you're playing the best team
in the league or the worst team in the, league
and The saints or, not The saints actually a better.

(42:21):
OFFENSIVELY i Think rattler's look, okay and they got some.
SPACERS i would say, this your backup quarterback can win
you a game that is a massive. Win you earn
a contract immediately with one. Win and if you have
to start two or three games and you get me
two wins out of three, starts that's you're worth fifteen
to twenty. Million you're under the. Right So Robert, sala

(42:43):
here's the other. Thing they let a lot of guys
go and it wasn't easy For, kyle who. Cares and
we talk about. Drafting when coaches get a big say
in the draft, room they look at the depth, chart
not at the future five. Years Because Kyle shanahan's not
thinking about twenty twenty, eight he's thinking about week, two
twenty twenty. Five Robert sala has been an ass kicker
so far for. Him bosa looks incredible.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
For The credibles, defense which has given up four hundred
plus yards in two. Weeks look at what they pay
for their. Defense it's the it's the most expensive in the.
League look at the names of The steelers, Defense Fred,
Warner bosa And. Alta who's that and they've been.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Excellent this is also where schedules. Matter and WHEN i
was WHEN i went to your show in the summer
And edelman came, on he got offended by. It don't
ever say it schedule is. Easy, well that's The belichick
and him. Talking some schedules are easier than. Others and
going on the Road week two at The saints instead
of having to play The ravens or The packers is

(43:44):
a big. Deal and you, know are you winning a
game In Green bay or In buffalo With Mac? Jones,
no but when you have an easier, schedule and listen The,
niners we talk about coach quarterback. Combination just go, offensive
a defensive play, caller n or as good as, Anybody Kyle,
Shanahan Robert. Sala and they have a couple of easy
games they take advantage of. It seattle wasn't an easy

(44:06):
game by any, means but this game is they get
The cardinals and they got to do it Without Brock.
Purty it. Is you, know someone came at me in
MY dms On instagram and it was, like you, know
perty really has only missed a couple games in his. Career,
well one major injury had happened to be in THE
Nfc championship, game so they had a nine month. Break

(44:26):
that's a major. Injury so he's had a major elbow.
Injury he obviously has a pretty major injury right. NOW i,
mean if he's got.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
To miss five, months that's a major.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Injury so it's these are big. Injuries he missed a
game last year being banged up that, ultimately my point
is like you need him to be, available and it Is.
Alix he's a smaller. Player this injury is a little
weird because you didn't even notice it on like you,
know the borough, thing like guys get, hurt it's part
of the. Deal but a lot of times you see
it happen on the, field when you don't see, it
it's like what when did that? Happen just wear and.

(44:56):
Tear but the forty nine ers two out of the
last three years where they deserve. Credit they value the
backup Quarterback Sam donold two years ago this Year Mac.
Jones kyle is very comfortable in the. Guy he believes
in the. Guy and it worked because we see some
teams last couple of years In miami when two it goes,
down they basically just full.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah AND i just THINK i think we know there's
some really good coaching right. Now AND i Think San
francisco Between kyle And sala is a top four. TEAM
i think The minnesota's The Rams Kansas city, obviously BUT
i do think you look at what The steelers are

(45:36):
paying for their, defense and you look what The niners,
have which is two elite players and then just. GUYS i,
Mean hafunga was a great player that is now A.
Denver not a good, player was a great. Player it
was a pro, bowler so all, pro all. Pro so It's,
sala you, know that's why he quickly got a. JOB
i still think he should deserves a second head. Coach

(45:58):
and if you fail with The, jets it's, LIKE i
don't even count, it, RIGHT.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I give him two. Years if their defense is, good he's.
DEFINITELY i, mean he'll get some. Interviews maybe it's a
little too, quick but he'll be a head coach. AGAIN
i mean it feels like, inevitable too high level of a.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Guy, okay A New england Beats miami thirty three to twenty.
Seven so first of, all you, Know mike McDaniel and
The dolphins are a cautionary. Tail if you pay A
b quarterback a plus, money you get into. Trouble so
the roster isn't. Much the defense is probably the worst
defense in the. League, Listen New england needed That Antonio

(46:33):
gibson return on the. Kickoff they found a way to,
win and that's where that's What New england is. Now
they need they need. Everybody Ramondre stevenson had a great
game for, them the running back who they GOT i
think From oklahoma years and years. Ago he had one
of his best games in the. Pro Drake may was.
Fine he's settling. IN i think he's just a guy
that needs another. YEAR i just think of all those

(46:55):
guys had more, starts they were more. POLISHED i don't
Think Drake. May you know, again but he's nineteen to twenty.
Three he's not throwing, interceptions so you know again It's.
Miami BUT i thought overall time of, Possession New england.
Dominated they're not going to be. Two had a huge

(47:16):
pick which helped seal the win For New. England was
almost an awful. Pick do you Think mike McDaniel last the?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Season you, KNOW i think they deserve some credit. Today
they had a little more fight and spunk in. THEM
i think most people would have bet on this game
to be like a twenty three to three just beating
of just the team, quitting and they definitely did not.
QUIT i think you're a pretty easy. Greater you, KNOW
b for. TWO i might go LIKE c, plus he

(47:47):
could HAVE bb plus, games But i'd say over the
course of the, season because the moment the weather, turns
he just kind of falls. Apart and whenever they have
to Leave, miami if he's turning the ball, over he's
just he's probably like a minus. Player uh, YEAH i
just think they got you, know they they went all
in on The Tyreek hill, thing and he had historic

(48:08):
year for him a couple of years. Ago but this,
thing all the off the field, noise he's not near
the Same.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Miami it's all.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Sizzle, YES i, mean they Draft wattle six. Overall, Again
wattle's a good, player but can you Imagine Jim harbaugh
drafting a, small quick wide receiver number.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
They Draft wattle or Post.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
HILL i think they had traded For i'd have to.
Look it might have been a year, before or it
might have been the same year they traded for him
earlier In. March, REGARDLESS i, mean it's like. That it's
not the way good teams build their. SQUAD i, mean
The chiefs Got Tyreek hill and now granted there was
because off the, field but in the fifth, round if
you're gonna take wide receivers that, high he better Be Julio,

(48:53):
jones size, wise. Physicality and here's WHERE i Overvalued New
england a win, win especially on the. Road their roster
is not as. Good like their, Schedule it's WHY i
bought it into their. Schedule but like their Team, john you,
Know Christian zales is pretty important to, them and he's
kind of had some durability questions early. ON i, mean a.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Lot of this is in this league is. Juice LIKE i,
mean when you watch The, Rams Davante adams, Today oh,
okay he And stafford are. Played now It's Kyron, Williams Davante, Adams,
Pukinakua Jared. Verse The rams have five or six, Players you're, like,
oh they've got, Juice they've got. Guys New england just
doesn't have. Enough though, again Ramondre stevenson had a great.

(49:35):
Game gibson tremendous. Game BUT i THINK i PROBABLY i
was like, YOU i looked at the. SCHEDULE i DIDN'T
i thought The dolphins were circling the Drain jets are The,
Jets AND i just looked around the league AND i just,
THOUGHT i don't trust. Anybody The Indianapolis colts are absolutely
better THAN i, thought And New england is not as
good AS i thought.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Today, yeah to, me if you had to say there's
one playoff, spot who would you On indie Or New
england as like a seventh, Season it wouldn't even. Hesitate,
Honestly indy like they could win that, division, RIGHT i
mean they have a lot of offensive. Talent If Danie
let's just talking about a play life in part of
being a dome team is like he's not playing outdoors
in a lot of these. Games so that their team

(50:17):
speed was evident today against one of the fastest defenses
in the.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
League colts Beat denver thirty one to twenty. Eight they
get a do over A mulligan on the kick at
the end of the game because of a penalty By,
Denver AND i gotta be. Honest The Daniel jones resurrection.
Again he's mostly a, distributor but he's a big. Guy

(50:42):
he can take a. Pounding give him, credit he can
take a. Hit he's a, big strong. Kid he moves
pretty well and you, know AND i Like Brian, dabele
But Shane stike and maybe it's just because to your,
Point colts have a better. ROSTER i, Mean Chris BOUDER
i texted him this summer like nobody wants to admit,
this But i'm, like you have good, players LIKE i,

(51:04):
Mean Jonathan taylor's a top five. Back warren today he
made was Acu oh my, god he Made bronco. LINEBACKERS
i mean he was cutting back and he's very good
after the catch for a tight. End But denver really
struggled when he got the ball in. Space and again
they have A pittman. PEERS i mean they're. GOOD i,

(51:26):
Mean indy's got good. Players they're not a great team
Because jones isn't a great, quarterback but to drop thirty
one Against, denver a hyper aggressive team with the best
corner in the, league and that led THE nfl in
sacks and probably will. Again my takeaway today WAS i
made a. Mistake INDI's better THAN i.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Thought, YEAH i, mean we have an example to. Me
his comp coming out Of duke Was Alex, smith and
we Saw Alex. Smith those guys aren't physically gifted. Enough
if it gets. Weird if someone doesn't believe in, him
it can look really really bad because their floor is
really really. Low but if they get in the right,
Spot alex got With, harbaugh then he got With Andy,
reid and it wasn't, Debatable like he's just a good. Player,

(52:08):
now how. Good no one's comparing him to the top.
Guys but you can win double digit games and make
the playoffs with this. Player and you could argue That,
daniel even relative To alex, maybe And alex was older
when he resurrected his, career it felt like Than daniel
is right. Now it feels Like daniels a little bit
more explosive as a, runner maybe a little bit better.

(52:30):
Today he looks thicker for. Sure, Yeah alex was felt
a little. Slender alex was tall as. Well but you
Watch daniel runners like this is a big, dude you,
know breaking, tackles falling. Forward So i'm just their skill.
GUYS i, Mean pittman's a really good, player physical over
the middle. Guy one THING i think sometimes in the,

(52:51):
draft and some teams just if they they abide by
these rules and you're gonna miss. Sometimes but let's use The.
Bears they Like lovelin more because he was a more explosive,
athlete a little. Twitchier, WELL i think sometimes we overrate
the testing Because warren when he, tests is not gonna
test as well As. Loveland but if you Watch, warren
let's say AGAINST usc last, year like this guy's. Seventeen,

(53:14):
yeah and then you watch him, today, well that's as
fast of a defense as they're in THE. Nfl and
he's juking, guys he's running by. Guys he's just a
you can't fake just being a good, player, Right Charles
barkley had no business at six' four being. As good
but he's just. An instinctive he's naturally he's a. Great
rebounder well he's not seven, feet tall but he get
rebound to over guys that were six foot ten because he.

(53:36):
Was instinctive You watch warren like that's elite. Football instincts
so what do? They do they get him the ball
in space and just let the guy. Make plays and
this Is Where shane syke and his value. Comes IN
like i Knew bon nicks was gonna bounce, Back today, i'm,
Like Well, sean payton they're not gonna let a. Game
now he had a pick that kind of killed overthrew,
it BAD and I expected denver to win, that game,

(53:59):
you know, TO start i had Money, on DENVER but
i Was bo nick's bounced back and Showed some denver
has a lot, Of speed like if you just compare Them.
To city, on offense they got a ton.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Of play franklin Kid, From, Oregon, Mims, Courtland sutton they're,
tight ends.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Multiple, Running BACKS.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Harvey. Jk, Dobbins no denver's personnel. Is, strong Yeah that
bo had a really. Bad pick he's an. Intense kid
He and sean were barking at each other again late in.
The GAME but I THINK denver i feel very confident.
Saying this they're a. PLAYOFF team i THINK they'll.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I, was, YEAH yeah i still think they can win.
THE division i was a little surprised at the end
of the game That stike in was. Very conservative, you
know he Doesn't Have brandon. AUDREY kid, i mean the
guy wasn't. EVEN close i thought he'd be a. Little
aggressive his offense had. Been good this wasn't a seven
to seven. High game this was a, high scoring. Explosive

(54:59):
place his quarterback had been. Playing well he got. Very
lucky he played for eight year of. Field goal would
the ball travel forty six yards barely even got to
the white on the back of the. End zone he
got obviously that rule you can't jump over the snapper.
Or WHATEVER but i. DON'T know, I mean i thought

(55:21):
got bailed out for bad coaching right there when he
had coached a great.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
SAYING yeah i was the same way when they just
kept running the ball into, the line, and by by,
the way by the second one on, Third down denver sniffed.
It out, denver's like put eight guys in, the Box and, i'm,
like coach you don't have a kicker that's gonna hit
a fifty nine. Yard kick so They.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
And sean had. No timeouts he had them on. The
ropes he's got he's got big bodied. Skill Guys when
Worn and, pittman like it's not like you got a
bunch of tiny little T y hilton's, Out there like
you could just run five yard curls and just move
the you don't have to even throw the ball down.
The field but they got lucky to win. That game
was that's One. FOR shure i, Don't, know denver that's
a that's you're gonna lose sleep over that.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Long that's a bad. Flight home that's one of those.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Flights souse your quarterback has to throws three three touchdowns
in the. First half, You're, like god are they Just
gonna are they gonna win this game by? Double door
when you were.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Up twenty EIGHT twenty i think twenty eight twenty. THREE
late i mean the game was really yours and you,
were driving.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Got it their guy missed a field, ball right bounce
it off the up right?

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Kill me that that that that is as tough. A loss,
i mean that's why, You Know jimmy johnson, oah, says
man nothing's gonna kill you more than than players that
aren't good above. The shoulders they just MADE. And jk
dobbins a, smart GUY but i mean he spiked the
ball and it's like it was only a. Small penalty but, it's,
like guys get it. Under you when you're on, the
road you have to be more buttoned up emotionally because

(56:45):
they're gonna call stuff on. The road they're not gonna
call when you're. At, Home okay rams Thirty three titans
Nineteen Uh Jared verse Uh And byron young Retavoc Against tennessee.
Titans tackles they have a very good offensive. Line coach
but this was a. Classic Game devonte adams emerged with,

(57:07):
six catches a touchdown one hundred and. Six yards puca.
Was Great kyron williams. Was great as we, said Earlier
the rams have about six or. Seven guys brandon frisk
is one of. These guys verse in young today they
got about six guys in. Their Prime If, davonte adams
it gives you this. Going forward pooka had eight catches
eleven and a half. Per catch davonte had six catches

(57:30):
for over one. Hundred YARDS and i was watching. THEM
today i thought this was going to be a. Close
game And cam ward got sacked. Five times it just
again everything was speeding up For. CAM ward i thought
he looked a little bit more Poised against denver than
he did at home Against. The rams But green bay
is the Best team, i've Seen and. Philadelphia's SECOND could

(57:53):
i argue That the rams are the third best team
in the league.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
League would, Be Strong but i'm. With you this was
a very. Impressive win you Had the titans in the.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
BLAZING five i Thought the titans were it was five
and a half. AT home i thought it Was a
rams don't score. A Lot When davante, Adams emerged, i'm,
like okay this is this.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
IS significant i Love the titans in this Spot and
i'll never gamble on. THEM again i prompt, you that
uh that ten am kickoff for these, you know For
the niners In the, rams today that's difficult on.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Your body that's one of, the, Reason, guys TENNESSEE.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
It's i don't care if you're Playing the titans In
the saints that that's tough. Kickoff moments, You're eating you're
eating like a pregame, meal weight, you know just it
Throws Off the rams flipped. A switch i thought in
the middle of, this game it, was like we're not
even you guys are not on, our Level and i'm.
WITH you i Thought cam ward kind of freelanced a
little bit more today does Make some they had one

(58:52):
touchdown pass across his body that was. Called back that was.
Pretty awesome but it's like that's you can't really function
and win. Like That But DeVante adams a really. Good,
player now is he in his heyday what he Was
With aaron rodgers at. This, Point no but you've said
this and it was pretty clear they thought it was
a big Upgrade Over cooper Cup and davante. Brings them

(59:13):
they got two wide receivers they can. Depend On if,
STAFFORD listen i didn't know because he had been. BANGED up, i,
said hey get, back issue thirty seven. Years old but
he has looked. PRETTY good, i mean he is making
some throws so far. This season, You're, like holy if,
they want they would sign up for the playoffs to
start right now because they're guys healthy and they could.
Beat Anyone so i'm with, you now over the course

(59:33):
of the next, three months is that back issue? Just
gone is he getting? Weekly shots because if, He's healthy
HERE'S where i will agree. With you they can beat
any teen in, the league and they can play on
the road or at home. Against anybody, to me it
all comes down like they have. The pieces. It's him
we saw them. Last year we're the old team that
Gave the eagles any sense of a push down the
stretch of the season in. The playoffs but does he

(59:56):
look like he has the first couple of weeks making
some of these Throws, in december because if, he does
then they can Win The. Super bowl if, he doesn't
WHICH and i think it's fair. TO question, i mean
he just missed all of training camp because his, back's
funky and at, any moment that's one of those injuries
that you just. Never know and that's the same thing
like with these guys with. Turf toe these aren't like a.
Rolled ankle you know you're gonna get a couple of

(01:00:16):
WEEKS or i break. A leg i know it's. Six
weeks like the, back thing, it's, like yeah it could
be good for. A month you meet people old, and
young all of a sudden it. COMES back i can't
even get out. Of bed so it, to Me and
i've said it from. The beginning it, all right. He's
out i'm out. ON them i know McVeigh likes. Jimmy
grutt if he's in and, he's, playing well he's. JUST
healthy i believe in them against any or give them

(01:00:38):
a shot. AGAINST any i don't care who. They're Playing
green BAY included.

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(01:01:52):
this is that, you know a lot of times people
think injuries are just, bad LUCK and i think, for quarterbacks.
THEY'RE not i think There's Reasons joe burrow keeps. Getting
hurt he's not. Terribly Thick the bengals owner, is cheap

(01:02:12):
they don't have great. Offensive lines there's a reason he
keeps getting. Banged up Is That, JOE burrow i think
you can say, it now is a little. Injury Prone
brought curties a little. Injury prone But When justin Field
so buffalo blew Out, the jets it. Wasn't competitive there's
no reason to spend any time talking. About It But,
justin fields who is, a big. Strong athlete if he

(01:02:34):
walked into, a room any room you're, standing in you'd,
be like who's? That dude he is a. Pro athlete he's,
Hurt AGAIN and, I think I really i thought a
lot about when he got, hurt TODAY and, i thought
that is. The value one of the Things bo nicks
does really well for a. YOUNG quarterback i mean he
changes plays at the line of scrimmage. A, lot now

(01:02:55):
he had sixty one, college starts but he did it
Today Against indy twice he went. Up there he just
changed the. Total play he moved, Everybody Out and, i'm,
like okay that's pre. Snap stuff he saw something he,
didn't like and he moved, into it and in one
of the instances he got rid of the ball much
more quickly in That With justin fields and some quarterbacks that.
Get hurt when he got hurt, AGAIN today i kept

(01:03:17):
thinking he's, too, big, strong fast and nimble to keep.
Getting HURT if I Say justin fields and you had,
to guess you would say he has had four, different
injuries would. You not it feels like he's been banged
up a lot in. His Career and i'm watching that
Today and, I'm, like god is he gets banged up?
A lot and again the. GAME'S not, I mean buffalo
is going to win that division for as long as.

(01:03:39):
They want they're just. Going to if you Told me
buffalo wins TEN straight afc, starting today they. Probably WILL
but i think some of these, young quarterbacks the value
of pre snap is that you get rid of. The
ball the value of judgment is you don't. GET hit
i don't think it's just, happenstance that by, The way

(01:04:02):
brady didn't get hit, a Lot or eli. NEVER misstarts
i don't think it's all luck or. Bad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Luck JOHN why i would say This. ABOUT fields, i
honestly after two SERIES my, TV situ i turned that.
GAME off i mean it's like this thing on a
shottos thirty to ten or three or whatever the final.
Score Was the bills could have scored every single drive
they wanted to that it's not even a. Fair fight i'm.
With you they are. Gonna win they're The new patriots in.
That division THEY'VE won i think four or five. Straight

(01:04:30):
years they're gonna win that twelve straight Years Of josh.
Allen's healthy fields turns into a running back and That's
his one of his great skills is with the ball
in his hands as. A playmaker like he's as talented
as most guys IN. The nfl so he. Takes SHOTS
and i think when you Look, at lamar when you watch,
him play like he'll his. PLoP down he just. Gets
down he doesn't take the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
First year, First year lamar took. Some heat he, took shots.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Gotten way better. At that I'd say kyler, has improved,
REALIZING like i gotta. Be careful but these aren't some
of the. Great athletes they don't have the muscle that,
You know fields is definitely thicker than those. Two, Guys
obviously lamar's Bigger. Than kyler, to Me the burrow thing
Like Signing. JUSTIN fields i know he had an all
time great game Against The. Pittsburgh seels it Turns out

(01:05:15):
pittsburgh might just be terrible, On defense Like just fields
kind of is what. He Is the burrough thing when
you don't invest in your offensive line and have a poor,
offensive line especially with a Guy, Like broke he's a.
Sitting duck he's going to. Get injured and it does
feel it doesn't parallel each, other exactly But The andrew,
luck situation their greatest attribute is they are willing to

(01:05:36):
stay in. THAT pocket a little bit Extra For. Philip
rivers all those guys were. So big i've said. This
FOREVER when i first got INTO the nfl and even
after it started going to these Games like raider GAMES
when i was working, in radio every quarterback that, Came Out,
carson Palmer, the manning they LOOKED like nba player. Small
forwards they. Were huge. You KNOW remember i remember we

(01:05:56):
Did the fox Thing and carson was THERE and i,
WAS like i didn't realize how they went.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
To a Party At, hugh hefner's The Late. Hugh hefner
it was and, oh yeah L a Cc and peyton
was there among. A million there was a million people
there AND there I think. Donovan McNabb it was just
a party IN l a and it was it. Was
nothing it WAS a I mean i got. In that
that tells you it was in the middle of. The
Day And peyton manning was the biggest guy. There By

(01:06:21):
and i'm Six To. Buck, KNIGHT peyton i look like
his little, tiny brother, so LIKE but i JUST when
i we have smaller quarterbacks and it's a more, athletic
position but THERE is i don't think all injuries are.
BAD luck i think there's usually circumstances that provide a
path to why you're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Getting, HURT yeah i just don't Think That joe burrow.
THINKS sustainable, i mean you can't get banged up this
consistently because you're getting, peppered constantly and maybe some of it's,
on him, you know holds that ball a little. Bit
EXTRA but i mean the organization is we talk about
a marriage just destined. To fail this situation is just
gonna get ugly because we know How Stubborn mike. Brown

(01:07:03):
is i'll, SAY this i know he threw some. Interceptions
Today When jake browning was in College and i'd, followed
him he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Was a full High, QUARTERBACK washington.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I wouldn't have bet that he made it through one
training camp without just, being cut and maybe not even
make it Through rot he's still IN, the nfl and
he's a capable PLAYER. LIKE i i, that individual that
human being deserves a ton. OF credit i would have
bet thousands of dollars that he wouldn't make it more than,
one season even on like. Practice squads golling and he's

(01:07:34):
gonna have what do you think a fourteen year career
when it's all said, and done just as a backup
playing in the league for ahead and today is the
game winning touchdown as Like The drew. BREES moment, i
mean what A cool i'm blown away.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
By That and palmer texted me ONCE because i, Was
Saying jake browning doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
An arm he's NOT an.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Nfl quarterback. He's small he has he's got LIKE a.
Cfl Arm jordan, palmer goes. You're wrong watch. This guy the,
next week he just flies THROUGH. The nfl, AND again,
i think when you're a little smaller and don't have a,
big arm you have to be better, pre snap you
have to be better. With ACCURACY so I think i
think all of us, know, That right like if you

(01:08:11):
weren't the best looking guy and you wanted to date,
pretty girls you had to. Be funnier like everybody knows what. They,
COULD yeah i mean that's the reality. For everybody AND
so i think when you're a, great athlete Like A
justin fields Or A CALEB and i don't think it's,
necessarily intentional but, you know you've been able to run
in high school and college and sometimes IN the nfl
and pick up, First downs, it's like, you know do

(01:08:32):
you spend that extra forty five minutes every day on
film room that tedious film room stuff which you've already
looked at, Eight Times But drew brees will look at, it, nine,
ten eleven twelve times because, he's smaller without a, big
arm andy. He's AGING and i think it's just the
reality of this sport is that when guys, get hurt
there's usually. A reason.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I think the best example IN the nfl of a
guy who knows his game better than Anyone is. Jared
guff he knows exactly what he does, not have and
he will hit, the ground he will throw the. Ball,
away obviously he can have games where he looks. Really
bad but there's a reason that guy is gonna make
four hundred and fifty million dollars and throw a ton

(01:09:11):
of touchdowns when it's all said, And done because you watch,
him today he's got to be one of, the slowest
if not the slowest quarterback in. The leagues he doesn't
have some, enormous harm but, that guy, you Know, even
dak who's A good dak's a much, BETTER athlete i
mean not. Even close and this Version of dak now
has a shattered ankle and a, ripped hammy and he
could run Circles around jared. Just moving So what jared

(01:09:33):
is able. To do and this gets back To the.
Caleb thing Why would caleb know how to check? It
down when the hell's he ever checked it down in
college or the pro or in? High school. No chance
so now they're trying to teach. Him that it's not
even that shocking that he. Doesn't listen, he's like WHY
would i? DO that i can make all. The pros
the problem is the go routes and. The bombs that's
not HOW the nfl. Really Works peyton Manning And tom
brady made a living throwing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Out, ROUTES yeah i Mean Even. Josh ALLEN when I Watch,
JOSH allen i don't. SEE me i don't see him
change the play at the line of scrimmage. A LOT
and I DON'T and i always think, To, myself well
he probably, Tells himself i'll just make, it work. YOU
know I just i don't Think Of josh allen as
a guy that's moving traffic and hey Barking and. I'm
CHANGING but i Saw bone nicks To bon nix. As

(01:10:15):
small he didn't have a. Huge arm he's more athletic than.
You THINK but i. Do think, you know people men
know what they're. Good, at uh unless they're, weirdly delusional
but most pro. Athletes aren't but it was it was
a hell of. A DAY I i i went two
and three on my blazing five Picks And god. Denver
hurt that one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Hurt, badly yeah you really quick before you get out,
of here JUST because i know you're PASSIONATE about usc
but their CROSSDOWN rival ucla Who?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Fired foster can can we just admit in the nil
Era THAT and i grew Up in DAVIS Where, uc
davis who used to be a Football Power chris peterson
played there a bunch, Of COACHES But uc DAVIS and
ucla aren't that much different in twenty twenty five when
it COMES to ANIL. And, ucla honestly the only reason
they're In The big ten IS because usc needed a
partner To bring but their program is much closer to

(01:11:10):
being and the way they think about fright right Is
The big sky program than It Is, Ohio, state Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
AND oregon I, Knew washington OREGON and usc would be
just fine In The. Big ten they'd, be fine and
they are and. THEY are i said it when it HAPPENED.
To ucla the good NEWS for ucla is They'll, Get,
Wisconsin Nebraska ohio STATE in la and it'll fill. Their
stadium but they have. No money and it's ironic because
the campus is In, bel air so it's probably the

(01:11:37):
NICEST campus i have every nicest. College Campus palo Alto
and stanford's pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Damn sweet I'd say stanford and them ARE one a
AND one aa.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
In, the COUNTRY so i mean it's just surrounded. By
wealth but they just they have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Money now the, basketball program which is really the pride
of You know paul in the Basketball And john wooden in.
The history they get about four million dollars. A year
i THINK in nil and that if four million, for
basketball and you can you can be in the lead
eight team. Every year So, the UCLAs YOU, know pauli
they read that it's a great, basketball college. BASKETBALL place

(01:12:12):
i love. THEIR arena i think. It's fantastic it's got
a great sense of history and. It's current but that
football program. Is dead it doesn't matter who, you hire
there's no MONEY. For nil they don't Have A. Phil
knight you know what's funny is it's an. International university
they've probably got some of the wealthiest, graduates ever but
none of them care. About football They are IT'S a
i was told when they Joined The big ten they

(01:12:34):
were last or next to last in football. In il
usc just built a three hundred million dollar. Football Program
they're nil's eighteen million a year and They're Paying lincoln
riley another. Eighty million that staff. IS expensive usc, is
private they don't have to announce what, they PAY whereas ucla,
is public and those salaries for football coaches. Get listed

(01:12:58):
and so it's it's always been a program that you
know is is kind of fighting an uphill Battle where washington.
Football matters Oregon's Got, phil knight but they it's just not. It's.
Done nil feels like it Just killed, ucla football.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Which is sad BECAUSE when i was a kid in the,
Late nineties ucla was. Really good my cousin was a
walk ON there i think in two thousand, and one and,
he's like at the TIME when i, went there we
were BETTER Than, us seed And then pete came and.
Obviously changed BUT you sla football for me as To
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Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
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area twice and didn't. GET points i watched some. Of
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Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
When i see, THESE lists i know we Gotta watch sunday.
Night game some of these, potential coaches well the some
of these coordinators that these big schools are making a
couple of. Million dollars YOU think ucla is going to
spend seven eight million dollars on the head coach that,
they want they want to pay To A.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Shan fosters try making three two five and the coordinators
are making six IN. L, a yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
That's, what uh That's What dan lanning pays HIS offensive a.
Defensive coordinators. You know SO what I just i just think.
It's sad it's. Just sad but it's this is not going,
To change like it's gonna get worse before it.

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