December 15, 2024 • 22 mins
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Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the top storylines from college football!
Colin offers John his theory that Bill Belichick will be “one and done” in his coaching stint at UNC and pour cold water on the idea that Bill would ever coach the Jets (3:00). They both agree that Travis Hunter deserved to win the Heisman over Ashton Jeanty and laud Deion Sanders for his achievements at Colorado (9:00). Finally, they look ahead to some of the potential landing spots for the top college football players (15:00)
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so I have said I think Bill Belichick's going to
last one year in college and very interesting his contract
and you know the lawyers went after this big time.
There's no way Carolina wanted to give this up. Bill
can leave July first of next year. I mean he
could leave before he coaches a game, a single game.
(00:50):
Now he's not going to because nobody hires, So he
can leave before he coaches a game. Nobody hires at
that point. So that's not the point. The point is
one and done is very possible. I think he's going
to jettison college football. I think he's going to be
aggravated this This staff he's building is a pro staff.
(01:12):
They're going to rub people the wrong way in the building.
It's going to be Charlie Weiss times ten, where Charlie
just wore people out. Charlie was a good enough coach,
not a great recruiter, wore people out in the building.
I don't think this Belichick group fits college. I think
their personalities are kurt, outspoken. It's by pro standards. John
(01:35):
it is rough, it's it's hard. It doesn't work in
many pro environments. It's not going to work in college.
There was a story Diana Russini reported that he showed
interest in the Jets, and I'm thinking, if Bill showed
interest in the Jets, he hates Woody Johnson. That this
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to me if you look at his drafts. Like Urban
Meyer who told me years ago, I don't watch Sunday football.
I'm preparing for the next week. Bill doesn't watch Saturday football,
watch their drafts. He's the minute he takes over the drafts.
He doesn't know what he's doing. NFL guys don't watch
a lot of Saturday. College guys don't watch Sunday. I
(02:17):
don't know. And I saw that Jet story. What did
you make of it?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, my first reaction was, I don't believe it because
Bill it's been his arch nemesis. The hatred was palpable
for the last twenty five years. He despised the Jets.
Then he finally gets a microphone in front of him
for the last six months, and he you know, he'd
pick his spots when to be critical and name people.
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He never hesitated with Woody Johnson. The moment they hired
Robert Solid, he put all his chips in the middle
of the table. I would say, was as critical of
him as anyone in the quote unquote media, especially like
NFL type person. And he didn't talk like that about
other people. So my reaction was, listen, I know Mike
Tannebaum and everyone reported that, you know, wood he didn't
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tell people this. Mike who's running the search, told people.
And they've known each other since Cleveland. I have a
hard time seeing Bill beg the Jets, And that would
be an easy one if you're Woody Johnson. You know,
everyone keeps talking about people or Bill flipping the middle
finger in the NFL flipping the middle finger to him,
a bunch of fus going back and forth. This would
be an easy one for Woody, Like, let's put out
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there that Bill was begging me for a job, because
what's Bill gonna do leak something when he's in North Carolina.
It's kind of like he's just off doing something. Else. Now,
if it is true, which I mean very credible, people
are importing this pretty embarrassing for Bill, that he's begging
the Jets for interest. I mean, and maybe he knows
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and that's obviously the contract. I remember Simmons used to
write about like when celebrities would date and one celebrity
would be way more famous to the other celebrity. It
would be hard to maintain that relationship, but it would
usually end badly. When they're both Demi Moore and Bruce Willis, right,
two famous people, they could well, this is Belichick's fame
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and his football aura is in a different planet than
UNC football, so he could take advantage of them in
a negotiation that never happens at that level. No one
would sign a five year contract new football coach and
put that in. But also, if he's, if it is
true's begging Woody Johnson for the Jets job, is he
gonna have that many more options in a year? Like
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what would he have to do if his stock is
low right now? Would he have to go ten and
two in year one? Like? Could he just go six
and six and people would think highly of him? I
don't know, I mean, I actually kind of believe he
just might be stuck there and he's just all in
because the one thing people I remember being I think
in college and reading the Halbertstam book, and he's he
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can get sentimental only about his father. I think the
dad thing means something to him and his dad having
coaching there. He brought up that sweatshirt that he had
from UNC when he was there. So I just don't
think they're gonna be the potential options, and I just
think he might just be stuck there. But you're right,
I mean, that's that was a pretty glaring like that's
not getting put in any of these contracts.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean, the fact that he can leave before he
coaches a game is wild.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean, but don't you take the ten million dollar
buyout even to start is relatively low. They can't fire
these guys five years in that their buyouts are fifty million.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, it just I think, I mean, Urban Meyer just
didn't fit pro football. I don't think Bill's personality. I
don't think it fits college. He was introduced at a
basketball game and it just looked so odd. It was like, oh,
this does And by the way, I've called multiple people
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that you know, no Bill, and they just can't. They
just can't wrap their brain around it. So I'm I
can root for something I can simultaneously hope he does well.
I want to watch the games, but think it could
be a mess. It won't be. It's not like they'll
win four games. ACC is bad, their schedules embarrassing. They get.
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The toughest game they play is Clemson. I mean they
get it's a bunch of wake Forest. I mean those
are the tough ones. Syracuse it is Duke it's bad.
And North Carolina Thoways had pretty good players. But I
don't know. I just when I saw the Jet story,
I thought, wow, okay, I want to touch on this.
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So Ashton Genty finished the second to Travis Hunter in
the Heisman. Now that's what I would have voted. I
think when you have a historically unique player like Travis
Hunter who played against much better competition. And my take
on college football in the NFL, it doesn't really matter
who you play. If you win, you're division, you're in.
If you qualify for the playoffs, you're in. It does
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matter in college That's why there's four Big Ten teams
in the playoffs, three SEC teams in the playoff, and
two ACC teams in the playoff because the ACC is weaker.
So it does matter who you play in college and
Ashton genty had two hundred and seventy yards and sixt
d's against Georgia Southern. Now, he was good against Utah
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State one hundred and eighty six yards. He was very
good against San Jose State and Wyoming and Hawaii and UNLV. Hell,
he got three touchdowns against Oregon. I'm not denying any
of that. He who had two hundred nine yards against Nevada,
but it is it is hard for me with about
eighty percent because I consider Oregon and UNLV a couple
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of times pretty solid teams. But it is hard for
me in college. Hell, you could probably go every third
year and find somebody at holy Cross you know who
dialed up big numbers. I do think your schedule matters.
I've said this about college football. If your road games,
what is your road attendance? If the average road attendants
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you face is like thirty three thousand, it's different than
playing in Camp Randall and the Shoe and Michigan and Otson.
So I wasn't b third buy it. Travis Hunter played
against better players? Did it bother you that this kid
that's going to go in the first round finished second.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No, I mean I would have voted. Listen, I got
my start out of college in the Whack, which at
the time was Boise State now turned into the Mountain West.
It is not the same. And at Prisono State, Pat
Hill always would hang his hat on our three non
conference games where against power five, big time opponents. It's
a different world than playing New Mexico and San Diego State,
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and Listen, he is. I would say he is a
universal favorite amongst the NFL scouted community. Genty honestly is
only not because he's like five eighth. If he was
six feet tall or five to eleven, I think he'd
be a lock top ten pick.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I do think he's gonna be a fascinating draft prospect
because his tape is like I mean, it's about as
unique and dominant as you'll see. But he's small. I mean,
you see a five eight running back going in the
top fifteen. That's hard. But I think he'll end up
going in the first round. I think Travis Hunter. I
bet there are a lot of players let's just pick
the last twenty years, either wide receivers or corners that
(09:03):
if they had played the opposite position, you know, if
they're a wide receiver and they had played corner or
corner and played wide receiver, that they could have been
elite and been a first round pick. And they were
first round pick at the position they played. But we
have never seen a guy literally play them both since
like the leather helmet days, and be universally accepted. He's
the number one corner. He might not be the number
one wide receiver, but he's a lock if he was
(09:25):
only a wide receiver to go in the top ten
or twelve. I mean it's in every single game and
you're watching as the season went on that it is
like this can't, he can't, and then he just would.
And it's just one hundred and ten snaps, one hundred
and five snaps, one hundred and twelve snaps, and in
the Big twelve playing corner, which to me is harder
than wide receiver to be good at because to be
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that's a passing conference. So he's run around to be
able to play wide receiver, and he dominated at I
also thought one he sounded like just a great guy
and he feels like an easy person to root for.
What if you're Colorado and you the trigger on hiring
Deon Sanders. I know year one was a disaster, but
in terms of the popularity it brought you, it was
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a win. To be year two, have your first Heisman
since the running back in ninety four, to go nine
and three, to have this guy and Shadoor, which are
going to be top five picks. I just don't think
it gets any better. I mean, it's an all time
turning around at a program that ninety percent of the
coaches that would have gone there would I mean, best
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case this year would have been like six and six
and there would be no top ten picks. The guy
won a Heisman and you hear the way. And part
of this is why Dion. It's also I think Bill
will be fine in recruiting is because I think, what really,
you know, Dion acts like Dion since I was a
kid he was playing. He just acts the same. Now
he's just a coach, like Bill, just be yourself, you know.
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I think that's why Brian Kelly takes some shit. He
kind of acts like he kind of faking. It's like
being a politician like Saban just felt like Saban, right,
Kirby just feels like they just they're very comfortable in
their own skin. Even Chip. You know, Chip's kind of honor.
He's not going to kiss your right. But that's how
he's been for fifteen to twenty years. And I think Dion,
it's remarkable what they accomplished. It really is. Now I
check recruiting rankings before, they're not very high for this
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next year. But Dion's not big on the high school kids.
That's big on the portal, so it's hard to totally
judge him that way. But I thought it was a
really cool moment for just when are we ever going
to see this again? Count he starts at two positions,
corner non quarterbacks, one of the harder positions to play,
and he's that's where everyone in the NFL is begging
him to play, like, please play corner, right.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, I think he'll be a better corner than an
offensive player in the NFL. He's one hundred and eighty
five eighty eight pounds. He'll probably be a corner because
timing is such an essential part of the better quarterbacks
in the NFL. It's hard for me to see an
elite quarterback saying yeah, okay, kid, you'll just be here
for half the practice. I don't. That's just not the Brady's,
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the Rogers, the Staffords, like golf, they want you in
on every snap, like the idea that you're going to
be on the other side. But I do think if
he goes to a really bad team, my guess is
the Giants have the NOMA wants.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's going to a bad team because it's gonna be
he might be the first overall pick Colin.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well, I think yeah. I mean the Giants I would
say would take Schadar Sanders, Vegas could take cam Ward,
maybe Travis Hunter, you know, maybe again, I could see
Vegas going for Sam Darnold and saying we'll take Travis
Hunter number two. I could absolutely see that because not
te LESCo and cam Ward's interesting, Like, I don't know
if that's the personality fit he wants because cam is
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edgy and Tom's not into that. But so my take though,
he's probably again for a bad team, play both ways,
But I might I think he'll end up settling as
a corner. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, that's what everyone's pushing him to play. But when
you look at the contracts, it pays to be a
wide receiver. Column.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's what that's what I wonder about.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean, Brandon, I, you caught seventy five balls and
he got seventy five million and thirty a year, so
it's it's uh and if you're good now. I don't
know if he's justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, but those
guys get Nick Bosa money, so financially now, I do
think we're gonna see. You know, everyone thought that Sas
Gardner was the greatest thing since Darrell Reeves and Richard Sherman. Well,
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actually the better player is Derek Stingley, and he's gonna
be up for a new contract. And I think, you know,
and even Sauce, if they get a new coach and
he gets back to playing good football, you're talking eighty nine.
I think their numbers will get much higher. With some
of these younger patrick sertain higher numbers at corner that
will continue to rise. But the NFL wants them to
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play that because it's much easier to find a wide receiver.
I can find a guy in the third or fourth
round who can catch me eighty balls. It's Sauce, Gardner
and Derek Stingley. We're top five picks. You know, to
get the high end guy like Richard Sherman's an all
time outlier, a Hall of Fame level player that you
find in the fifth round. Like that doesn't happen very
often at corner. Most guys are drafted high at that position.
But like, what if he wants to play both ways?
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My theory on that is, I do think physically it's
very hard to play corner against every team as good
receivers now, so we said it was hard in college
to go to the NFL to do it. It'd be
hard to you know, maintain your health doing both, I
think at the NFL level. And two, if you're a team,
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if you're my starting corner and one of my starting
wide receivers, if you get injured, I lose two spots. Right,
So it's kind of a weird spot to be in, right.
It's why I thought one day, well, if you could
pay him, could he just shatter records and get this
unique contract because he's like show hey, O Tani. Well
let's say in five years he's actually does both and
I give him one hundred and fifty million dollars. Well,
then he breaks his leg. I just lost my best
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wide receiver. In my best corner. If Stingley gets hurt,
I don't also lose Nico Collins, right, So it becomes
a little there's listen, Dion was an awesome player to
watch as a kid. They let Dion play some wide
receiver to just make him happy, but he wasn't just
running out every play with Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
This dominated corner, which I think everyone's going to push
them to be. But you know, agents and money people go, well,
look at these wide receivers, how much money they're making.
So I wonder if it's going to be a little
you know, tug of war on on the business side.
Also the shador thing, could you shadoor in in Prime?
And the Mara family signed me up for that because
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you talk about it, talk about a team that needs
some life. We talk about a lifeless franchise right now.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I text Ian O'Connor, very respected New York columnists today
and I said, are they going to keep Brian Day bullies?
He's safe? And his text to me, without getting into
everything he said, was they would like to, but you've
got planes flying overhead. They're getting blown out. I mean
the Jets, to their credit they're playing their ass off today.
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I mean Aaron the.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Last time Jags.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
No, they are. But let me just give Aaron some
credit here because I know everybody thinks I pick on them.
Just to give Aaron some credit. Let's see, here we go,
Aaron Rodgers. If you go look at his last Aaron
in his last seven games has thirteen touchdowns of pick
and one hundred passer rating. So the DeVante thing, if
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you watch today, they've got a real relationship. Now it
takes time. So Aaron and Davante are cooking. I like
their personnel. It's it's you know. I said last week
on FS one, I kind of thought the Giants had
a brighter future. But it looks like to me the
New York Giants have quit on Brian Dable.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I would agree. I thought that game was unwell. I
mean the Raven watch, it was a practice. It was
a joke. Say this about the Jets. But they threw
up a stat you know, down the stretch of the game.
I think they were. They were. They've lost five games
with fourth quarter leads, and coming in today they were
zero to seven in games decided by less than a touchdown.
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So they have been in a lot of these games.
Oh yeah, I think I think people could make the
argument is listen, they were never going to take out
the Bills to win the East, but this season could
easily be closer to five hundred if a couple of
things go right for him now today because part of
it right, Remember their schedule started hard and it got
easier at the end, and they they won.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And had four hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, no, Aaron was good today, Like if they got
that eron now again, they're playing the Jags, who have
an awful defense from just a bad team. But if
he played like that, they would be okay. And like
you said, DeVante, even Lazard, they had to play that.
He dropped a ball, Aaron was putting it. One thing
I had been critical on Aaron was like, God, is
he lost his his just pure accuracy that made him
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such a special player. Today he was hitting guys in
the hands constantly and he wasn't missing the layup place.
And yeah, I mean, it'll be fascinating to see what
happens there. They got a lot of cooks in the kitchen.
Tannebomb running this search. You know, I think John Mora,
I think he's just hesitant to just keep firing people
over and over, but like, what are you supposed to do?
Like this ain't working out?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, McAdoo and Shermer and Slidge are not sol excuse me, Jojo,
I could do Judge Schrmer solid Jets. Yeah. Aaron went
sixteen to thirty two hundred and ninety yards three touchdowns.
He also ran six times and average seven and a
half yards a run. So whereas Kirk Cousins off of
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surgery and forty has I mean it's gone off the cliff.
Aaron's actually, I think last week in a losing cause,
last two weeks i've watched thereon, I thought he's been
really good.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I would agree. I mean, he's been way better than
he was early in the season, which is kind of
I would get. I guess if you're a Jets fan
or just someone that like he might be on the
team somewhat optimistic, you would think it would go the
other way. Older player forty forty one years old would
fall off a cliff as the season went on. He's
actually still has a lot of energy. Kind of hit
me today watching those two teams, because at one point
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time it looked like the Jets were gonna lose. I
mean Devant, Devanta had like two hundred yards today. Is
is it kind of crazy that the NFL is hitting
all time popularity with the Jets and the Giants really
for the last decade plus being just atrocious football teams.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I've said this a recently. The most successful teams in
this league are Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Buffalo. Those
are your franchises. The New York teams are a mess.
Chicago's a mess. Until this year, d C fifth sixth
biggest city in the country was a mess. A high
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profile team like Pittsburgh, not a Super Bowl contender. Like
you start looking around, Dallas, the biggest brand in the league.
Really regressing quickly. It is remarkable. In the NBA, you've
got you know, New York's viable. I mean, the Warriors
are still viable. The Lakers won in the bubble several
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years ago. I mean, Dallas is good. That's a big
market team. Philadelphia's good, Boston's good. Those are big market cities.
Houston another big market interesting. Hawks playing well in Atlanta
and their ratings are no circling the drain. The NFL's
biggest markets are a mess. And on a lot of
instances they're unwatchable. Uh, and it just shows the power
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of the NFL. I think there's a lot of reasons
the NFL is king. It's relatable, we watch it, we
bet it. It's built for television. There's one game a week.
As society gets wider and more distracting, it's it's one
game a week. I think that's a huge part of it.
But college football ratings are up, and women's basketball ratings
are up, and March Madness was up. The NBA continues
(20:28):
to just not I think the load management, I think
the aesthetics. Everybody's shooting forty threes, and I think they
have their best players in the wrong markets. But I
don't know if a league is bulletproof. But I mean,
I sit around and I can't wait for Sundays. I mean,
the early window today was pretty awful. It was it
was the worst. It was the worst early window of
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the season. But I couldn't wait for the afternoon. And
I think that's the power of the sport. It just
it just makes me think about it before the day starts.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I also think this the explosion of college football, the NIA,
the transfer portal, now the playoffs, you're just watching the
incoming talent, so you just get to basically fans get
to scout. It's pretty clear all the best teams have
the best players. That's why I actually think Belichick is
gonna be I mean, how many big time games I
would imagine over the next couple of weeks. They got
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money to spend, gonna land some transfer portal guys. I
just saw they kept the best recruit they had in
the class was a quarterback. They kept them like if
they are interesting next year. That just bleeds into the
NFL because it's all kind of layered now. I feel
like it starts on tender. I don't know about you.
It was nice actually to take a deep breath. It's
been a long season. But I did also miss, like
you know it, with a lot of respect for the
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Army Navy guys. I love the over in that game.
Both those two teams have been scoring a lot of points.
But I missed just the SEC game or Ohio State
or Michigan. There just wasn't anything. It was weird. It
was a weird feeling yesterday without it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You know, it really was John Middlecoff, former NFL scout
three and out. We do our hour to hour fifteen.
We do it every Sunday. I'm gonna go. When I
watch THEMS, I'm crossing my fingers. I have them minus
two and a half. I do not remember having an
OO for four early day. And not only did I
go oh for four, all of my teams got run.
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I mean I was on the rock. I almost picked
Denver to win and cover. I got talked out of it.
Shame on me, But I've had better weeks.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I dare you to pick the Raiders tomorrow and television.
I kind of like them. They they're bound to take
someone out down the stretch a weird game, and Falcons
I'd be taken out.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I thought that about Cleveland today and boy was I wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah see you call the volume.
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so I have said I think Bill Belichick's going to
last one year in college and very interesting his contract
and you know the lawyers went after this big time.
There's no way Carolina wanted to give this up. Bill
can leave July first of next year. I mean he
could leave before he coaches a game, a single game.
(00:50):
Now he's not going to because nobody hires, So he
can leave before he coaches a game. Nobody hires at
that point. So that's not the point. The point is
one and done is very possible. I think he's going
to jettison college football. I think he's going to be
aggravated this This staff he's building is a pro staff.
(01:12):
They're going to rub people the wrong way in the building.
It's going to be Charlie Weiss times ten, where Charlie
just wore people out. Charlie was a good enough coach,
not a great recruiter, wore people out in the building.
I don't think this Belichick group fits college. I think
their personalities are kurt, outspoken. It's by pro standards. John
(01:35):
it is rough, it's it's hard. It doesn't work in
many pro environments. It's not going to work in college.
There was a story Diana Russini reported that he showed
interest in the Jets, and I'm thinking, if Bill showed
interest in the Jets, he hates Woody Johnson. That this
(01:56):
to me if you look at his drafts. Like Urban
Meyer who told me years ago, I don't watch Sunday football.
I'm preparing for the next week. Bill doesn't watch Saturday football,
watch their drafts. He's the minute he takes over the drafts.
He doesn't know what he's doing. NFL guys don't watch
a lot of Saturday. College guys don't watch Sunday. I
(02:17):
don't know. And I saw that Jet story. What did
you make of it?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, my first reaction was, I don't believe it because
Bill it's been his arch nemesis. The hatred was palpable
for the last twenty five years. He despised the Jets.
Then he finally gets a microphone in front of him
for the last six months, and he you know, he'd
pick his spots when to be critical and name people.
(02:40):
He never hesitated with Woody Johnson. The moment they hired
Robert Solid, he put all his chips in the middle
of the table. I would say, was as critical of
him as anyone in the quote unquote media, especially like
NFL type person. And he didn't talk like that about
other people. So my reaction was, listen, I know Mike
Tannebaum and everyone reported that, you know, wood he didn't
(03:00):
tell people this. Mike who's running the search, told people.
And they've known each other since Cleveland. I have a
hard time seeing Bill beg the Jets, And that would
be an easy one if you're Woody Johnson. You know,
everyone keeps talking about people or Bill flipping the middle
finger in the NFL flipping the middle finger to him,
a bunch of fus going back and forth. This would
be an easy one for Woody, Like, let's put out
(03:22):
there that Bill was begging me for a job, because
what's Bill gonna do leak something when he's in North Carolina.
It's kind of like he's just off doing something. Else. Now,
if it is true, which I mean very credible, people
are importing this pretty embarrassing for Bill, that he's begging
the Jets for interest. I mean, and maybe he knows
(03:42):
and that's obviously the contract. I remember Simmons used to
write about like when celebrities would date and one celebrity
would be way more famous to the other celebrity. It
would be hard to maintain that relationship, but it would
usually end badly. When they're both Demi Moore and Bruce Willis, right,
two famous people, they could well, this is Belichick's fame
(04:03):
and his football aura is in a different planet than
UNC football, so he could take advantage of them in
a negotiation that never happens at that level. No one
would sign a five year contract new football coach and
put that in. But also, if he's, if it is
true's begging Woody Johnson for the Jets job, is he
gonna have that many more options in a year? Like
(04:25):
what would he have to do if his stock is
low right now? Would he have to go ten and
two in year one? Like? Could he just go six
and six and people would think highly of him? I
don't know, I mean, I actually kind of believe he
just might be stuck there and he's just all in
because the one thing people I remember being I think
in college and reading the Halbertstam book, and he's he
(04:45):
can get sentimental only about his father. I think the
dad thing means something to him and his dad having
coaching there. He brought up that sweatshirt that he had
from UNC when he was there. So I just don't
think they're gonna be the potential options, and I just
think he might just be stuck there. But you're right,
I mean, that's that was a pretty glaring like that's
not getting put in any of these contracts.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean, the fact that he can leave before he
coaches a game is wild.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean, but don't you take the ten million dollar
buyout even to start is relatively low. They can't fire
these guys five years in that their buyouts are fifty million.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, it just I think, I mean, Urban Meyer just
didn't fit pro football. I don't think Bill's personality. I
don't think it fits college. He was introduced at a
basketball game and it just looked so odd. It was like, oh,
this does And by the way, I've called multiple people
(05:42):
that you know, no Bill, and they just can't. They
just can't wrap their brain around it. So I'm I
can root for something I can simultaneously hope he does well.
I want to watch the games, but think it could
be a mess. It won't be. It's not like they'll
win four games. ACC is bad, their schedules embarrassing. They get.
(06:03):
The toughest game they play is Clemson. I mean they
get it's a bunch of wake Forest. I mean those
are the tough ones. Syracuse it is Duke it's bad.
And North Carolina Thoways had pretty good players. But I
don't know. I just when I saw the Jet story,
I thought, wow, okay, I want to touch on this.
(06:24):
So Ashton Genty finished the second to Travis Hunter in
the Heisman. Now that's what I would have voted. I
think when you have a historically unique player like Travis
Hunter who played against much better competition. And my take
on college football in the NFL, it doesn't really matter
who you play. If you win, you're division, you're in.
If you qualify for the playoffs, you're in. It does
(06:45):
matter in college That's why there's four Big Ten teams
in the playoffs, three SEC teams in the playoff, and
two ACC teams in the playoff because the ACC is weaker.
So it does matter who you play in college and
Ashton genty had two hundred and seventy yards and sixt
d's against Georgia Southern. Now, he was good against Utah
(07:06):
State one hundred and eighty six yards. He was very
good against San Jose State and Wyoming and Hawaii and UNLV. Hell,
he got three touchdowns against Oregon. I'm not denying any
of that. He who had two hundred nine yards against Nevada,
but it is it is hard for me with about
eighty percent because I consider Oregon and UNLV a couple
(07:27):
of times pretty solid teams. But it is hard for
me in college. Hell, you could probably go every third
year and find somebody at holy Cross you know who
dialed up big numbers. I do think your schedule matters.
I've said this about college football. If your road games,
what is your road attendance? If the average road attendants
(07:50):
you face is like thirty three thousand, it's different than
playing in Camp Randall and the Shoe and Michigan and Otson.
So I wasn't b third buy it. Travis Hunter played
against better players? Did it bother you that this kid
that's going to go in the first round finished second.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No, I mean I would have voted. Listen, I got
my start out of college in the Whack, which at
the time was Boise State now turned into the Mountain West.
It is not the same. And at Prisono State, Pat
Hill always would hang his hat on our three non
conference games where against power five, big time opponents. It's
a different world than playing New Mexico and San Diego State,
(08:28):
and Listen, he is. I would say he is a
universal favorite amongst the NFL scouted community. Genty honestly is
only not because he's like five eighth. If he was
six feet tall or five to eleven, I think he'd
be a lock top ten pick.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I do think he's gonna be a fascinating draft prospect
because his tape is like I mean, it's about as
unique and dominant as you'll see. But he's small. I mean,
you see a five eight running back going in the
top fifteen. That's hard. But I think he'll end up
going in the first round. I think Travis Hunter. I
bet there are a lot of players let's just pick
the last twenty years, either wide receivers or corners that
(09:03):
if they had played the opposite position, you know, if
they're a wide receiver and they had played corner or
corner and played wide receiver, that they could have been
elite and been a first round pick. And they were
first round pick at the position they played. But we
have never seen a guy literally play them both since
like the leather helmet days, and be universally accepted. He's
the number one corner. He might not be the number
one wide receiver, but he's a lock if he was
(09:25):
only a wide receiver to go in the top ten
or twelve. I mean it's in every single game and
you're watching as the season went on that it is
like this can't, he can't, and then he just would.
And it's just one hundred and ten snaps, one hundred
and five snaps, one hundred and twelve snaps, and in
the Big twelve playing corner, which to me is harder
than wide receiver to be good at because to be
(09:45):
that's a passing conference. So he's run around to be
able to play wide receiver, and he dominated at I
also thought one he sounded like just a great guy
and he feels like an easy person to root for.
What if you're Colorado and you the trigger on hiring
Deon Sanders. I know year one was a disaster, but
in terms of the popularity it brought you, it was
(10:06):
a win. To be year two, have your first Heisman
since the running back in ninety four, to go nine
and three, to have this guy and Shadoor, which are
going to be top five picks. I just don't think
it gets any better. I mean, it's an all time
turning around at a program that ninety percent of the
coaches that would have gone there would I mean, best
(10:27):
case this year would have been like six and six
and there would be no top ten picks. The guy
won a Heisman and you hear the way. And part
of this is why Dion. It's also I think Bill
will be fine in recruiting is because I think, what really,
you know, Dion acts like Dion since I was a
kid he was playing. He just acts the same. Now
he's just a coach, like Bill, just be yourself, you know.
(10:49):
I think that's why Brian Kelly takes some shit. He
kind of acts like he kind of faking. It's like
being a politician like Saban just felt like Saban, right,
Kirby just feels like they just they're very comfortable in
their own skin. Even Chip. You know, Chip's kind of honor.
He's not going to kiss your right. But that's how
he's been for fifteen to twenty years. And I think Dion,
it's remarkable what they accomplished. It really is. Now I
check recruiting rankings before, they're not very high for this
(11:12):
next year. But Dion's not big on the high school kids.
That's big on the portal, so it's hard to totally
judge him that way. But I thought it was a
really cool moment for just when are we ever going
to see this again? Count he starts at two positions,
corner non quarterbacks, one of the harder positions to play,
and he's that's where everyone in the NFL is begging
him to play, like, please play corner, right.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, I think he'll be a better corner than an
offensive player in the NFL. He's one hundred and eighty
five eighty eight pounds. He'll probably be a corner because
timing is such an essential part of the better quarterbacks
in the NFL. It's hard for me to see an
elite quarterback saying yeah, okay, kid, you'll just be here
for half the practice. I don't. That's just not the Brady's,
(11:56):
the Rogers, the Staffords, like golf, they want you in
on every snap, like the idea that you're going to
be on the other side. But I do think if
he goes to a really bad team, my guess is
the Giants have the NOMA wants.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's going to a bad team because it's gonna be
he might be the first overall pick Colin.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well, I think yeah. I mean the Giants I would
say would take Schadar Sanders, Vegas could take cam Ward,
maybe Travis Hunter, you know, maybe again, I could see
Vegas going for Sam Darnold and saying we'll take Travis
Hunter number two. I could absolutely see that because not
te LESCo and cam Ward's interesting, Like, I don't know
if that's the personality fit he wants because cam is
(12:33):
edgy and Tom's not into that. But so my take though,
he's probably again for a bad team, play both ways,
But I might I think he'll end up settling as
a corner. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, that's what everyone's pushing him to play. But when
you look at the contracts, it pays to be a
wide receiver. Column.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's what that's what I wonder about.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean, Brandon, I, you caught seventy five balls and
he got seventy five million and thirty a year, so
it's it's uh and if you're good now. I don't
know if he's justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, but those
guys get Nick Bosa money, so financially now, I do
think we're gonna see. You know, everyone thought that Sas
Gardner was the greatest thing since Darrell Reeves and Richard Sherman. Well,
(13:14):
actually the better player is Derek Stingley, and he's gonna
be up for a new contract. And I think, you know,
and even Sauce, if they get a new coach and
he gets back to playing good football, you're talking eighty nine.
I think their numbers will get much higher. With some
of these younger patrick sertain higher numbers at corner that
will continue to rise. But the NFL wants them to
(13:35):
play that because it's much easier to find a wide receiver.
I can find a guy in the third or fourth
round who can catch me eighty balls. It's Sauce, Gardner
and Derek Stingley. We're top five picks. You know, to
get the high end guy like Richard Sherman's an all
time outlier, a Hall of Fame level player that you
find in the fifth round. Like that doesn't happen very
often at corner. Most guys are drafted high at that position.
But like, what if he wants to play both ways?
(13:57):
My theory on that is, I do think physically it's
very hard to play corner against every team as good
receivers now, so we said it was hard in college
to go to the NFL to do it. It'd be
hard to you know, maintain your health doing both, I
think at the NFL level. And two, if you're a team,
(14:18):
if you're my starting corner and one of my starting
wide receivers, if you get injured, I lose two spots. Right,
So it's kind of a weird spot to be in, right.
It's why I thought one day, well, if you could
pay him, could he just shatter records and get this
unique contract because he's like show hey, O Tani. Well
let's say in five years he's actually does both and
I give him one hundred and fifty million dollars. Well,
then he breaks his leg. I just lost my best
(14:40):
wide receiver. In my best corner. If Stingley gets hurt,
I don't also lose Nico Collins, right, So it becomes
a little there's listen, Dion was an awesome player to
watch as a kid. They let Dion play some wide
receiver to just make him happy, but he wasn't just
running out every play with Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
This dominated corner, which I think everyone's going to push
them to be. But you know, agents and money people go, well,
look at these wide receivers, how much money they're making.
So I wonder if it's going to be a little
you know, tug of war on on the business side.
Also the shador thing, could you shadoor in in Prime?
And the Mara family signed me up for that because
(15:18):
you talk about it, talk about a team that needs
some life. We talk about a lifeless franchise right now.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I text Ian O'Connor, very respected New York columnists today
and I said, are they going to keep Brian Day bullies?
He's safe? And his text to me, without getting into
everything he said, was they would like to, but you've
got planes flying overhead. They're getting blown out. I mean
the Jets, to their credit they're playing their ass off today.
(15:44):
I mean Aaron the.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Last time Jags.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
No, they are. But let me just give Aaron some
credit here because I know everybody thinks I pick on them.
Just to give Aaron some credit. Let's see, here we go,
Aaron Rodgers. If you go look at his last Aaron
in his last seven games has thirteen touchdowns of pick
and one hundred passer rating. So the DeVante thing, if
(16:09):
you watch today, they've got a real relationship. Now it
takes time. So Aaron and Davante are cooking. I like
their personnel. It's it's you know. I said last week
on FS one, I kind of thought the Giants had
a brighter future. But it looks like to me the
New York Giants have quit on Brian Dable.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I would agree. I thought that game was unwell. I
mean the Raven watch, it was a practice. It was
a joke. Say this about the Jets. But they threw
up a stat you know, down the stretch of the game.
I think they were. They were. They've lost five games
with fourth quarter leads, and coming in today they were
zero to seven in games decided by less than a touchdown.
(16:51):
So they have been in a lot of these games.
Oh yeah, I think I think people could make the
argument is listen, they were never going to take out
the Bills to win the East, but this season could
easily be closer to five hundred if a couple of
things go right for him now today because part of
it right, Remember their schedule started hard and it got
easier at the end, and they they won.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And had four hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, no, Aaron was good today, Like if they got
that eron now again, they're playing the Jags, who have
an awful defense from just a bad team. But if
he played like that, they would be okay. And like
you said, DeVante, even Lazard, they had to play that.
He dropped a ball, Aaron was putting it. One thing
I had been critical on Aaron was like, God, is
he lost his his just pure accuracy that made him
(17:33):
such a special player. Today he was hitting guys in
the hands constantly and he wasn't missing the layup place.
And yeah, I mean, it'll be fascinating to see what
happens there. They got a lot of cooks in the kitchen.
Tannebomb running this search. You know, I think John Mora,
I think he's just hesitant to just keep firing people
over and over, but like, what are you supposed to do?
Like this ain't working out?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, McAdoo and Shermer and Slidge are not sol excuse me, Jojo,
I could do Judge Schrmer solid Jets. Yeah. Aaron went
sixteen to thirty two hundred and ninety yards three touchdowns.
He also ran six times and average seven and a
half yards a run. So whereas Kirk Cousins off of
(18:14):
surgery and forty has I mean it's gone off the cliff.
Aaron's actually, I think last week in a losing cause,
last two weeks i've watched thereon, I thought he's been
really good.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I would agree. I mean, he's been way better than
he was early in the season, which is kind of
I would get. I guess if you're a Jets fan
or just someone that like he might be on the
team somewhat optimistic, you would think it would go the
other way. Older player forty forty one years old would
fall off a cliff as the season went on. He's
actually still has a lot of energy. Kind of hit
me today watching those two teams, because at one point
(18:44):
time it looked like the Jets were gonna lose. I
mean Devant, Devanta had like two hundred yards today. Is
is it kind of crazy that the NFL is hitting
all time popularity with the Jets and the Giants really
for the last decade plus being just atrocious football teams.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I've said this a recently. The most successful teams in
this league are Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Buffalo. Those
are your franchises. The New York teams are a mess.
Chicago's a mess. Until this year, d C fifth sixth
biggest city in the country was a mess. A high
(19:21):
profile team like Pittsburgh, not a Super Bowl contender. Like
you start looking around, Dallas, the biggest brand in the league.
Really regressing quickly. It is remarkable. In the NBA, you've
got you know, New York's viable. I mean, the Warriors
are still viable. The Lakers won in the bubble several
(19:42):
years ago. I mean, Dallas is good. That's a big
market team. Philadelphia's good, Boston's good. Those are big market cities.
Houston another big market interesting. Hawks playing well in Atlanta
and their ratings are no circling the drain. The NFL's
biggest markets are a mess. And on a lot of
instances they're unwatchable. Uh, and it just shows the power
(20:06):
of the NFL. I think there's a lot of reasons
the NFL is king. It's relatable, we watch it, we
bet it. It's built for television. There's one game a week.
As society gets wider and more distracting, it's it's one
game a week. I think that's a huge part of it.
But college football ratings are up, and women's basketball ratings
are up, and March Madness was up. The NBA continues
(20:28):
to just not I think the load management, I think
the aesthetics. Everybody's shooting forty threes, and I think they
have their best players in the wrong markets. But I
don't know if a league is bulletproof. But I mean,
I sit around and I can't wait for Sundays. I mean,
the early window today was pretty awful. It was it
was the worst. It was the worst early window of
(20:49):
the season. But I couldn't wait for the afternoon. And
I think that's the power of the sport. It just
it just makes me think about it before the day starts.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I also think this the explosion of college football, the NIA,
the transfer portal, now the playoffs, you're just watching the
incoming talent, so you just get to basically fans get
to scout. It's pretty clear all the best teams have
the best players. That's why I actually think Belichick is
gonna be I mean, how many big time games I
would imagine over the next couple of weeks. They got
(21:17):
money to spend, gonna land some transfer portal guys. I
just saw they kept the best recruit they had in
the class was a quarterback. They kept them like if
they are interesting next year. That just bleeds into the
NFL because it's all kind of layered now. I feel
like it starts on tender. I don't know about you.
It was nice actually to take a deep breath. It's
been a long season. But I did also miss, like
you know it, with a lot of respect for the
(21:38):
Army Navy guys. I love the over in that game.
Both those two teams have been scoring a lot of points.
But I missed just the SEC game or Ohio State
or Michigan. There just wasn't anything. It was weird. It
was a weird feeling yesterday without it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You know, it really was John Middlecoff, former NFL scout
three and out. We do our hour to hour fifteen.
We do it every Sunday. I'm gonna go. When I
watch THEMS, I'm crossing my fingers. I have them minus
two and a half. I do not remember having an
OO for four early day. And not only did I
go oh for four, all of my teams got run.
(22:11):
I mean I was on the rock. I almost picked
Denver to win and cover. I got talked out of it.
Shame on me, But I've had better weeks.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I dare you to pick the Raiders tomorrow and television.
I kind of like them. They they're bound to take
someone out down the stretch a weird game, and Falcons
I'd be taken out.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I thought that about Cleveland today and boy was I wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah see you call the volume.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
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