Colin Cowherd Podcast - Eagles Best In The NFC? Bench Kirk Cousins? Aaron Rodgers Looks Washed, Ohio State STUNNED By Michigan - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Former scout for the Philadelphia Eagles watching his Eagles again

(01:08):
start slowly explode in the second quarter dominate the fourth quarter.
You know it would be easy to say, well, Justin
Tucker missed a couple of field goals and a pat
It certainly didn't help. It forced Baltimore into some weird
play calling going forward later. But you know it is
after a while, something goes from different, coincidental to a trend.

(01:34):
And Philadelphia they feel like a heavyweight fighter that feels
you out, kind of tries a few things and then
eventually they just wear you out. And Baltimore is a
physical team and I just kind of felt I mean,
Jalen Hurts only completed eleven passes. But Philadelphia and I
think we've talked about this. We've given Detroit a lot

(01:56):
of credit as the best team. I don't know if
they met today. With the Lion injuries, I think I
may take Philadelphia as the NFC's top team. What say you, yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
When I when I see a headline of Jamal Adams
signing with the Detroit Lions, you know they you know,
they got issues with injuries. I think the star of
the day, and he's gone a little under the radar
because Sakuan looks, I don't know, like Walter Payton, right
now is Vic Fangio. I mean they wanted him two
years ago, and that Jonathan Gannon. He got the job
last minute and it threw Howie and they're hiring off

(02:29):
and he ends up in Miami early in the season.
It didn't quite look right. I would say this last month.
I mean the young dbs Mitchell, their first round pick
is a star star Cooper dejan looks immediate plug and
play slot receiver or a slot corner, which is now
a starter in the NFL, right because every team. And

(02:51):
then how about this Zach Bond guy. He looks like
Brian Erlaker out there running around. He you cannot watch
an Eagles game all season long without him making I
say over under four impact impact place. And this was
a one year player who didn't sign for much that
it was an outside pass rusher, special teams guy, and

(03:11):
it's been well reported. And Fangio looked said, I think
we can make this guy a middle linebacker and I
think he's going to be an All Pro this season.
And obviously the pass rush, I mean, Jalen Carter is
really kind of, you know, done what they hoped he
would be. So it's to me, it's Fangio and the
talent on Defense Show.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I feel like the AFC is all about the quarterbacks
and the NFC is all about the front offices. Green Bay,
I mean, they haven't missed on a tight end or
a wide receiver pick or Jordan Love Detroit, Philadelphia. I
feel like those three teams, and I like Matt Lafleur,
and I like Jalen Hurts and Jared Goff and Matt Lafleur.

(03:51):
I think the NFC is ruled by front offices because
you don't have as much star power at quarterback. I
think Green Bay is a year away, but they hammered
my Miami. That thing was embarrassing. I look at Philadelphia,
and you know what's funny about Baltimore. I mean the league.
They're league leaders in penalty yards and flags, you know,

(04:14):
missed field goals. I like John Harball, I love Jim Harbaugh.
It's not that they're they just don't quite feel you
know what I mean. I kind of when I watched
Baltimore the other week in a game they played, Bill
Belichick was ripping them on like the ESPN, like the

(04:35):
Manning cast. He's like, Okay, that's Philadelphia, that's Philadelphia, and
you could tell he was kind of like as if
he kind of was taking a shot at John Harbaugh. Like,
this team's got a ton of talent, They're never buttoned up.
Is that fair? And again it's not that I don't
like John Harbaugh, but man penalties they just sometimes leave

(04:57):
all they leave points and plays on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I like the Ravens a lot coming into this game
because I thought they matched up well against the Eagles,
and like, well, their run defense is awesome, and offensively,
how can you corral Lamar in this offense? And it
actually flipped. They broke the run defense with Saquan as
the game went on. Like you said, with the fighter,
I think when you look at Harbaugh, like I would say,

(05:24):
in the Lamar era, him and Lamar have been disappointing
in big spots. Yes, yes, there's no disputing it. At
this time, they also had a weapon in their back pocket. Yeah,
Like when I was a kid, if you had a
guy that could hit forty fifty home runs in the
early nineties, it was a big curve ball like not
many teams had in golf. If you could hit it
three hundred plus yards. Twenty five years ago, Justin Tucker

(05:45):
is now shot. Yeah, I did some math during the game.
He was eight of fourteen from forty plus coming into
the game, then he missed two more. So you're talking
about a guy that felt like he was automatic from
anywhere from forty five or fifty five yards, who now
is a fifty percent, you know, chance of missing the
field goal. And let's face it, in this game, when
they lined him up to kick the field goal, did

(06:06):
you have any faith that he was going to make it?
Because I had none, which is crazy. Just two years
ago you would have sait like that's a lock. So
I you look at a team now that you know
the AFC is pretty open. We'll see how Buffalo looks
tonight and how they finished down the Stetch. Obviously, the
Chiefs have a remarkable record, but they're pretty flawed. Pittsburgh
they actually look pretty good today, but Cincinnati's defense is atrocian.

(06:27):
T Harball has guys you've never heard of getting picked sixes,
and that's how he's been doing in his whole career.
The AFC is not quite what it's been about the top,
so that that benefits them. If you just get in,
you gotta shot.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
So if you look at the AFC again, we're doing
this before the Bills play. Kansas City's the one seed,
Buffalo to Pittsburgh, three, Ravens four excuse me, Texans, I
believe four. Then it's Ravens, Chargers, Broncos would be as
of now, the wild card teams. So I really like

(07:03):
the top two teams obviously in the AFC. Detroit Detroit
is the number one in the NFC, followed by Philly.
Seattle is the third seed. Atlanta right now is the
fourth seed, and then it goes Minnesota, Green Bay, Washington.
So I like the wild card teams Minnesota and green
Bay today more than I like Seattle and Atlanta. Division

(07:25):
leaders Atlanta's really We'll get into that in a bit,
but I kind of feel I do feel overall, and
I talked about this last week. I think the top
of the NFL is really strong. If we just said Philly, Detroit,
Kansas City, Buffalo, would we agree those are the four
best teams in the league? Yes, yeah, And then I think,

(07:48):
and then I think we get into this space where
I would Minnesota, Green Bay and Pittsburgh and Baltimore are
all capable of winning a playoff game.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I actually right now, like Green Bay and Pittsburgh more
than I do Baltimore because every time I'm like, I
think Baltimore can win the Super Bowl, you watch today,
You're like, no, they can't. What am I talking about?
And Pittsburgh, you know, Russell has given them so much
life on offense and defensively. On any given moment, TJ.
Wat can just create a touchdown, like at the snap

(08:21):
of the finger. It feels like Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White.
And that's how many teams have that in their back pocket.
Like even Kansas City, like Chris Jones has had moments,
but I view TJ. Watt right now as the more
dominant player. Now, maybe Chris Flip's a switch come the playoffs,
and you know the Eagles kind of have that. It
feels like with just all their playmakers on defense and

(08:42):
without Aiden Hutchinson, you're watching Detroit, which sucks for them.
Usually when you play on Thursday, you get that mini
by well, the NFL right over the last four or
five years has taken the two best teams that play
on Thursday and put them on the following Thursday, so
you just get a normal work week. So Detroit today
was basically their Tuesday, which sucks given that was crazy

(09:02):
on Thanksgiving. How many guys were going down, it was
you kind of start feeling bad for them. Yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I want to pivot to the Steelers. Pittsburgh forty
four Cincinnati thirty eight. This defense for Cincinnati. Listen, the
Steelers offense had five hundred and twenty yards eight yards
of play, twenty eight first downs. It was one of
the great games in Russell Wilson's career. There was a
real moment after the game when Mike Tomlin came up

(09:29):
and embraced Russell Wilson, and I think it's pretty redeemable.
You know, we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, like he still
has it. Aaron's lost nine straight starts. I mean, like
to Denver and bow Nicks when they weren't even a
thing yet. Russell Wilson deserves a lot of credit. He
has worked harder and been more focused than Aaron Rodgers.

(09:49):
You can say all you want about Russell Wilson, but
he's a workaholic. He's totally committed to it. Sometimes he's
almost hopelessly optimistic. But you know what, but I when
he first got there, he thought God you know, it's
such a kind of a working class, tough guy culture,
and you know he's Ciarra and Russell Wilson and the brand.

(10:12):
We have to give him credit. He has acclimated well,
he has fit really well.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I look at him and there's two things that he does.
He can extend plays, not like he used to, but
he can extend plays, and he throws a beautiful deep ball.
John I'd argue that that's enough for them to win
multiple playoff games.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Especially if they're at home, right and being at home
is something that has not been kind to them because
they've been playing on the road so often, because they've
been winning nine or ten games in the regular season
beside the twenty twenty season. So the stat when we
rattle off they haven't won a playoff games in twenty sixteen, well,
they haven't been a great regular season team for a
lot of those years. And when you're playing on the road,

(10:54):
especially in the AFC. You're talking especially the last five
or six years, you're talking Kansas City every year, New
England for a long time now, Buffalo, these are very
very tough places to go play. We saw last year
they went into Buffalo like no one. The game would
have to get so weird for them to have a chance,
and it kind of did. But I think the best
part about football, and you see this in college in

(11:15):
the pros, like, yeah, he does not feel like a
Pittsburgh Steeler right, the way he talks right and his brand.
But if you make plays and you win, no one
gives a shit. In college, if you're not from the
South in Alabama or LSU hire you and you immediately
start rattling off eleven twelve wins seasons and being in
the semi finals in the national championship game, no one cares.

(11:38):
But if you didn't play well, they would have turned on.
Russell came right in and elevated them. And today's a
good example. I mean the game opened up with him
throwing a pick six. Now it was you know, pickens fell,
but still I went ooh, this could get weird. Bros.
Hot you know he spot them seven Even Tomlin I saw.
I watched a clip of his press conference. He's like,
you know, impressively spotted them seven point. You could even

(12:00):
blink and they never and listen, Cincinnati's defense is a trip.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's atrocious.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
It is really great, you know what I mean. Joe
Burrow is having a great season, and it's they don't
have a shot.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I talked to a GM yesterday about I said, if
you if you're Joe Burrow, you're trapped. You know. We
look at Caleb Williams, which we'll get to later, and
you think he's trapped. But like Joe Burrow, t Higgins
may not be a great one. He's probably a one
A somewhere. He'll be the winner in this. He'll go
to a really good team. Jamar Chase and Burrow. We're

(12:33):
going to be in Cincinnati, Tobin the GM. This has
never been an organization that's been a deal making organization.
They're the opposite of the Philadelphia Eagles. They're passive, they're
not aggressive. It's a dysfunctional front office. They're not well healed.
They don't have a lot of they don't have a
lot of money. Cincinnati is the Eagles opposite. They just

(12:54):
they'll they'll they'll keep paying Marvin Lewis or Zach Taylor forever.
They'll never allow dead cap coach money. They're just different.
And I was looking at t Higgins day and I'm thinking,
you know what he'd be better off ending up with
a really good football team, Like I don't know, you
can name it wherever you want to go, but there's
gonna be a football team out there that goes, you
know what, we're a receiver away. We want to go

(13:15):
get a grown up wider because these days John people
will pay for one big receiver. It used to be
years ago, you know, you'd pay a receiver, you know,
the old term deva receiver. You'd be like, oh boy,
what are we into now? T Higgins is no problem,
He'll go out and play. But I just watched Pittsburgh
and for years we've always acknowledged they draft and develop. Well,

(13:38):
they're great underdogs, they're tough, but they they lack the
creativity offensively. And Russell between the deep ball and the movement,
he gives them a little creativity. By the way, when
Ben was younger and moved well, he gave them the
deep ball and the ability to create. I'm not saying
Russell's big band in his prime, but it does look

(13:59):
a little bit like those teams.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, I think Tomlin had a big problem on his
hand the last couple of years with the offensive coordinator. Yeah,
I can't even think of the guy's name, but he
was it was getting pretty ugly. Remember last year, got
fired in season and he hired Arthur Smith, and it's
completely changed them. And you've watched as the season has
gone on, and they went to Russell, like how did
they seal the game?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Today?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
They went with the Justin Fields run. So they've been
able to incorporate like Justin Field for a backup. He's
probably one of the more famous backups in the league,
if not the most famous, and obviously Russell at one point,
I know he was kind of injured, was also the
most by far the most famous backup he has. It
takes a pretty special personality to handle that, and then
it takes a good offensive coordinator because it's not like

(14:40):
Tomlin's sitting in on the quarterback meetings and the offensive
install So a lot of that is on Arthur Smith.
Where you see North Carolinas interested in him, of course
they are, like he's clearly a pretty impressive offensive mine.
And anytime you have the CEO head coaches John Harbaugh,
Jim Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, whoever they hire, especially
for the offense side of the ball, with John, Mike

(15:02):
and Pete can make or break their season. And that
Arthur Smith. You could argue him and Fangio two of
the better coordinator hires in all of major college in
the NFL this offseason, because how would he not be
in the mix for coordinator of the year right now
what they're doing in Pittsburgh. Nijie Harris, how about him?
I thought he was kind of a bus He looks
fantastic this season.

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Speaker 2 (17:05):
And we have a bunch of games we can hit on.
I don't know if this is the next most interesting game.
I want to talk about the Bears, Seahawks, Jets, Chargers, Atlanta,
a lot of college football. But Minnesota today beat Arizona
twenty three, twenty two. And I think most people view

(17:26):
Kyler Murray as this superstar player and you know, a
little enigmatic, but a superstar player. But it was Sam Darnold,
who in the last three games is three and zero,
one hundred and twelve passer rating, six touchdowns, no picks.
Kyler had an egregiously bad interception and on a couple
of big drives, yet two one was atrocious, and Donald

(17:48):
now once again had a winning drive. He wasn't great
on third down. They didn't have the ball a lot,
but they were hyper efficient. They only had three penalties.
I keep waiting because you know, I love Dnald. I
preferred him over Baker. I thought it was a bigger,
more athletic with a better deep ball arm. Baker better

(18:09):
as a pure pastor in the pocket with time. But
I keep waiting for the shoe to drop. And I
gotta be honest. Today Kyler was reckless and I watched
Sam Darnald and I'm like, you know what you brought
this up last week. You think JJ McCarthy is better,

(18:34):
but oft an injury and they go get Daniel Jones.
I don't know what they do, what happens if Sam
Darnald wins two playoff games, John, because today I'm watching
him and Kyler and I'm like, I trusted Darnald late
in that game more than Kyler Murray and I'm a
huge Kyler Murray fan.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
This is where I feel bad for the Lions. They're
having the greatest season of all time for their franchise,
and if they lose to the Packers on Thursday, which
is a fantastic Thursday night game, and the Vikings win,
they will have the same record. If I would have
told the Minnesota ownership, the Minnesota front office, the Minnesota coaches,

(19:14):
and every Minnesota Vikings fan, it's pretty underrated fan base.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Pretty great fan base.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
That December one, you would be ten and two and
coming in today, I think he had twenty one so
if he threw he has Sam darld would have twenty
three touchdowns. You would be ten and two and one
game behind. With the Lions leaking major oil, with injuries
and in prime position to win the division, which we
all agree, top three teams, best division in football right now. Yeah, easily,

(19:42):
they would not believe. They would not have believed you.
And this is I don't know if you saw the
story that I think Jeremy Fowler put out that. You know,
the Falcons, if Cousins doesn't get it together, they will
look to trade him this offseason. Hell, he could be
benched over the next couple games. One he's got a note,
Trey Clause Atlanta. You're not exactly in control of this.

(20:02):
That's a conversation for another day. But Sam Darnald, to me,
if I was a team and you said, Kirk Cousins,
Sam Darnald, oh god, not even factoring in money, it
doesn't even one. And then when you factor in one
guy's making forty million dollars and you're like, Sam, is
he getting that? But even if he did, I would
rather for if all money's equal, I will take Sam

(20:22):
Darnald every day of the week. And again, look who
likes him. Kyle loved him, and they didn't want to
lose them. They just they couldn't compete with a ten
million dollar you know what Minnesota gave him, And look
what he's done. And I stand by it because today
I was watching. Halfway through that game, you went, got
Minnesota finally coming back to earth, They're gonna.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Look well, I thought too, I listen. Arizona, by the way,
if you go look at the yards, they dominated time ofosession,
like thirty six and a half minutes to twenty three.
Marvin Harrison's seventh touchdown. They if you watched the game
up until the end, you felt like, oh, yeah, this
is Arizona, who, by the way, schizophrenic, I mean Seattle,
DeLand Egg. And then they go on the road to

(21:02):
and I'm like, oh crap, they're back.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, And when he threw that touchdown to Marvin Harrison,
you went, you know, maybe this is just they lose
twenty five to ten or something. And then I fell
down the stretch. It wasn't even just that final drive.
Sam Donold was really good in the second half, and
Minnesota's got really good coaching. I just don't see with
a guy who's now had multiple knee surgeries, who was
a major project. Clearly your team, with your coaching staff

(21:25):
is just built to win. This is the NFL. It's
not the NBA where you're worried like the Spurs have
been worried about five years from now. For five years.
It's like the the NFL. A you're just worried about
week by week next season. No one's tanking, Carolina's playing
their balls off every week. Everyone's trying. And now you're
ten and two. Minnesota internally could be like, why couldn't
we if we were to win the division? What if

(21:47):
we were to get the ones? Why couldn't we win
the Super Why couldn't we get make it the Super Bowl? Right?
I mean they are and if again, lot will ride
on these January games, especially because probably some of them
are going to be against the Packer as the Lions,
who you're very comfortable playing and they're comfortable playing you.
But this Sam Darnold thing, I'm not if things keep
going like they're going, I'm not just letting him walk

(22:08):
out the door because I just drafted a guy. We
see it all the time. You've been hammering this home.
People pivot faster than they ever have in the NFL.
You make a decision even they don't even necessarily know
it's wrong. I just can't afford to let this guy walk.
He's not thirty eight. This isn't rich Gannon at the
end of his career with the Raiders. It's he he's
twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight years old. I mean
a lot of guys play for ten more seasons in

(22:30):
the prime of their career. Quarterback.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, and Sam has I know him a little bit.
First of all, very coachable. I think the year with
Kyle Shannan was huge. So his last two stops, he's
gotten elite coaching. He's a very coachable guy. And you know,
I think the air thing. There was a couple of
plays late in the game. It may have been the
last drive or the next to last drive, and Sam

(22:53):
was rushed and the pocket got muddy really fast, and
he squirreled around and he you know, Sam was head
up looking to make a throw and I'm like, Sam,
eat it, eat it, don't And he didn't. And he
went through a stretch this year in the middle he
had a couple of really bad picks. But again he didn't.
Early remember, we were surprised early ooh knew Sam. Then

(23:14):
he got a little, he got a little the game
got a little fast, and he got I think he's
trying to make plays. He's living up to the hype.
And now he's come back down to earth. He had
a really bad Jacksonville road game. They were zero for
five in the red zone. I don't know, I watched Minnesota.
And also we have to acknowledge this. You pointed this out.
Let's say this again. I talked to I wanted to

(23:35):
know what Steve Kaim last night, who now runs the
football for Clutch Sports, and he said, listen, you can
say what you want about Brian Flores, but they're personnel.
They're overachieving, Like he's doing a riga. He's going to
get a job. So this may be one of these
lightning in a bottle where Darnold has the best season
of his career, Brian Flores is there before he gets hired.

(23:56):
Sometimes it happens like you get lightning in a bottle.
This is not the Chiefs. It's not to endure for
twelve years or whatever. But again, last three games for Darnold,
six touchdowns, no picks, lots of movement, one hundred and
twelve passer rating. And this is how much I've pivoted.
When he gets the ball late between the coaching Sam

(24:17):
and Justin Jefferson, I'm like, yeah, he's gonna get him
into He's going to get him into field coal position.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
He's going to get I just I think if we
just put him in a category and people are gonna
think I'm nuts. But his physical skills and this is
why people never in the league always believed in it
and wanted to work with him. It's much closer to
like the Mahomes and Joshes in terms of the way
the ball comes off his hand. Now, he wasn't playing well.

(24:43):
You know Matt Rule in Carolina, like I watched Matt
Ruhle in Nebraska, can't win games. Maybe Matt Rule is
just a little bit overrated of a coach. Yeah right,
Adam Gase. I haven't heard that name in five years.
I didn't think he works in football anymore. So like
I see this guy with Kyle Shanahan and obvi leave
with Kevin O'Connell. Like his skills and his maturation as

(25:03):
a player. Not everyone just hits the ground running. Most
players cannot overcome dysfunction. Peyton mannings an all time outlier.
He could have carried any franchise and made them relevant.
Tom Brady could not have. At twenty two, twenty three,
twenty four years old, Sam Darnold clearly could not. And
now he's good. Is he like a Hall of Famer?
I'm not acting like we still a long way to

(25:25):
go in his career, but he has been excellent this year.
Like I'd have to really study the NFC quarterbacks. But
you know, Jared Goff, I'm sure is a lock pro bowler,
but he would have to be in the Pro Bowl
mix for the three NFC.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
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(25:57):
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damn guys, and now it's the best defense in the league.
And what I loved about this game, this reminds me
of Minnesota. That's why I want to go to this next.
Minnesota was dominated a time of possession, few penalties, big drives, efficiency,

(26:21):
the Chargers justin Herbert sixteen completions one hundred and forty
seven yards. They only had one hundred and eighty seven
yards total. They're on the road and yet they first
of all four picks the pick six up the sideline.
I don't even understand what it was. It was like AI,

(26:42):
somebody slowed it down. It was like it was That's
the one where I'm like, oh my god, Kirk Cousins
is washed. That is a seventy four mile an hour
major league fastball he threw. It was bad. It was
just like, holy shit, he has no fastball. So but
I thought my big take was it may be Michael
Pennock's time. You may give Kurt one more start, but

(27:06):
this is a game the Chargers have lost my entire life.
You're on the road, you don't really your offense just doesn't.
It's getting you know. You just don't have a lot
of playmakers. We talked about this a couple of weeks
ago when they I think they lost to the Ravens,
were like, they just start enough. They need a zay Flowers,
they need a number one. They don't have playmakers, so

(27:26):
let's let's attack it. I'll attack it from that your
thoughts on what to do with Cousins. Are we in
the Michael PENNOCKX mode?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now, yeah, I mean I would start them next week,
like this is what are we doing here? Four interceptions?
Now they you know, Tampa won the day somehow in
overtime since we started recording this, so they're six and
six now they have lost to Atlanta twice. Yes, they're
also six and six and the Saints losing the Chargers today,
obviously they're out of it. So it's it's basically a

(27:54):
two horse race. But Raheem Morris had comments at the
beginning of the season when asked why coaching staff was
so large, and he said, because we're going to win,
and when guys get hired off of our staff, we
will have replacements already on them. It's like, Rahiem, I
like you and obviously you've resurrected your career making comments
like let's just this leak's really hard. Yeah, you know,

(28:16):
ask Andy Reid asked, you know, Jim harrboss John Hart, like,
come on, let's just take a deep breath before you
start kind of pumping his chest out. And your quarterback's
Kirk Cousins, who's we've all come around on and then
he tore his achilles, and, like you said, when that
happened in real time, the pick six, it just looked
like a normal out route the guy jumped. When I
saw the replay a little later, You're right, it felt

(28:37):
like the ball floated in the air extra long. I mean,
even the dB kind of had to stop, and then
you had to Here's the thing though, I got. I
got a text from Daniel Jeremiah, who calls the games
with Matt mney Smith, and he said, Harbaugh's out here
winning games with defensive players and cast offs that most
people couldn't point out of the lineup. Hashtag coaching matters.

(28:57):
Yeah this, I had to immediately google that player who
had the pick six, who was a fifth round pick, Like,
that's not Derwin James, who also had the game winning pick.
But you know, some of these plays are being made
by randoms. Lad mccaukey is a good young player. He
is their go to wife sees and this team is

(29:18):
about to win eleven games. I think Jim Harbaugh like
Andy Reid and Bill you know, Bill Belichick, probably it's
hard to ever surpass the six Super Bulls too. As
an assistant. Andy probably ends up with another one. You know,
four super Bowls he won was an assistant. Like these
guys are all time, like Lombardi levels. How many coaches
can just go back and Jimmy Johnson college college pros

(29:38):
never left. Jim goes dominates College, comes to the pros, dominates,
goes back to college, wins the national championship, comes back
to the pros and wins it. Who could do that? Like,
I don't see who has that pitch? Yeah, like most
guys really thrive in one. He's coming and now he's
in his style, like he has a specific way of

(29:59):
playing his sport and it not only translates, it immediately dominates.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, there were.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Four interceptions against a guy that just got one hundred
million dollars and made him look like a third string quarterball.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well, and also Jim does it with culture, so his
fastball is culture. You know, he is what Ohio States
Ryan Day isn't, which is Ryan Day. The schemes are fine,
but he what is Ohio State? You immediately I can
remember when he was at Stanford hardball goes in as
a forty point dog at the coliseum, beats Pete Carroll

(30:34):
and I mean they had like a confrontation at midfield
and it was like he made Pete was reeling. It
was like, what in the hell? This is before they
got good. And I can remember like his second year.
I was talking to a friend. He was at Stanford.
Stanford he replaced I believe, Buddy Stevens. They were a mess.
And I remember this because it was about the second

(30:55):
year and Pete Carroll was still in the conference and
I said, you're going to think I'm crazy. They're the
most physical team in the conference Stanford by year two
and nobody was paying attention to him. Then what he's
doing with the Chargers. They are so physical and he
also I was talking to Jordan Schultz the other day.

(31:17):
You know, his dad's Howard Schultz, Starbucks founder.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I said, what's your dad's greatest strength? And he said,
my dad's a really great delegator. His ego wasn't in control.
He hired really good people and he delegated. And I've
heard that before from really good CEOs. Harbaugh does that,
like with his general manager with Jesse Mentor. He knows
what he doesn't know, and what he does know, He's

(31:41):
relentless and attacks you watch this Charger team, it is
I mean the other thing like Brandon Staley may never
get another job. I mean he will never get another
head coaching job. It's the same players. In fact, I'd
argue it's worse because they don't have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,
have no playmakers.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's it's much worse. You know, by the way, on
Jordan's dad Howard the Acquired podcast with Howard Schultz on
how he built Starbucks, it's basically just him talking to
these two guys from start to finish how they built Starbucks. Amazing. Listen,
they are much worse. Keenan Allen just had a couple
of touchdowns on Thanksgiving? Still a good player. What would
Keenan Allen? What would they do? And listen, I know

(32:20):
they chose they had to and who did Harbach shoes?
The two guys in the trenches? What did he do
with the first pick? You know? Part of what I think.
You see a lot of this and the Giants got
crushed for this, and we've talked about this over and over.
They have a clear identity of what they want and
what they need. There's no guessing game. They're not just
feeling it out as they go. You know, go back
to the Michigan game, which Michigan's best players are still

(32:43):
Harball's guys, those defensive linemen, especially those defensive tackles, and
the offensive lineman like he knows. Go back to Stanford,
where did they start dominating before Andrew Luck showed up
offensive linemen and running backs and he wore people out?
And that what is how he doing right now with
the E Jalen Hurts is not thrown for form. He
doesn't look like Joe Burrow. He's not throwing for three

(33:03):
hundred fifty yards a game. They are hammering you, They're
wearing you down. Even the Ravens who have all their
defensive line men. Every team in the league would line
up to sign all of them, and they just get
worn down over time. Why because I got a first
round or a right tackle, I got a second round
or a right guard, I got a center that I
drafted in the second round. I got a left tackle
that was a former first round pick. You know, you

(33:25):
just go down the and it's just the hardballs, the
same thing. And everyone thought he was crazy when he
took all number five's, Like you need wide receivers. He's like,
what the fuck are you guys talking about? At the
tip of my spear is my offensive lineman. And that's
coming from a former quarterback. And I think a lot
of guys pivot from their strategy, you know, and he
never did. He never did. And I don't know if
it's just full on belief in himself, if it's just

(33:48):
the only way he knows, but a lot of guys
would have got scared off at different points in time.
I mean, look at Ohio State, They've completely revamped. They're
much more of a spread slinging around. That's not the
ohiuse faith has dominated my entire life. Yeah, and you know, Harbaugh,
this team like they have a ceiling obviously because it's
the NFL, and you know they only have so many guys.

(34:09):
But what he's they won five games last year, five
games to pick Kirk. I mean that might have ended
Kirk cousins Atlantic career. I would like pet my life
savings on it. But well, I mean there's a decent
chance that by Monday or Tuesday, it's like Kirk Cousins
has They're gonna try Michael Panix this week, right.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
And by the way, if that works. It's very Flacco
to Lamar Jackson. Where Flacco started has had like a
rough three week stretch or four week stretch, and they
said we're going to go with Lamar. If I recall
what happened, they went with Lamar in week eleven is
a rookie year. Well, Pennix would go in like week
thirteen or fourteen. That I had never had a problem
with Kirk Cousins. Michael wasn't ready. Kirk Cousins gets you

(34:49):
to six and six, you lead the division, he pivots out.
You segue to Michael Pennix, who's been able to now
sit and learn from pretty good OC. I wouldn't be
surprised if Pix went in. You don't know how to
defend him. Nobody's got tape on him. You have no
idea what to do with him.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
My issue, and I know you and a lot of
people you know the quarterback position, quadrupling down on it.
My issue with it was Michael Pennix. At the time
free agency hit people. A lot of people didn't think
he was the first round pick, so they had the
eighth overall pick. So if they really did love him
as much as they ended up loving him, they would
have known they could acquire him. Why not allocate your

(35:26):
resources help give Sam Darnold eighteen million dollars for one year?
Ye Like, I think it shows a little haphazard. They
kind of fell the coaches fell in love with him
more in April and they had already signed Cousins. Because
now you're in this weird spot because has had a
lot of leverage when he signed there. He has a
no trade clause. Now if he's not going to start
in twenty twenty five, it's not like he wouldn't waive that,

(35:47):
but his value clearly is not as high as it
just was this last offseason. Games like that, you know
who's you're just basically offloading him, and you know your owner,
which is not the GM or coaches money, but gave
him a lot of cash and impacts your salary cap.
So it's just you're now six and six, and who's
picking them in the first round against Green Bay or Minnesota,

(36:08):
I mean Hell or even Detroit not a soul. There'll
be an underdog, yeah at home, won't they? In that game?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
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(36:37):
Rodgers ninth straight loss. Seattle's now taking control of the
NFC West. And by the way Seattle gave this game
is weird. You had to watch it. So Seattle gino Smith.
They had this weird red zone where they had seven
tries from the five yard line and got zero points
out of it. But it was really interesting. The Jets,

(36:57):
by the way, John are in the running for the
number one pick. So the Jags, Raiders, and Giants have
two wins. New England, the Jets, the Titans, and I
think it's Carolina have three wins because Carolina lost in overtime.
We hadn't started this. The Jets are in the mix

(37:19):
for the number one pick. But what was really interesting
after the game, First, Aaron failed on another comeback drive
in the fourth quarter. Okay, Darnold had another successful one. Baker,
by the way, wins an overtime. Aaron has another. I
think he's had six this year, A half dozen chances
to win a game late it's been one or two plays.

(37:41):
But what was interesting is Aaron missed a wide open
Garrett Wilson in the end zone and it was a
pretty pedestrian play. It would have given the Jets a
twenty eight to seven lead. And on the road Seattle,
I don't know if they have the firepower Becasauce Gardener
was given DK metcalf troubles. I mean, he'd kind of

(38:02):
taken him out. I don't know if the Seahawks win
that game. And after the game, Aaron said, you know,
it's always one play and I wanted to just go
time out. It wasn't it was one play, it was
your miss. And then by the way, he had a
pick six. Remember right after that it was a pick
six and it was like, okay, total game changer. But
I when that happened, that pick six, I started writing

(38:24):
notes down and I just said, where would I put
Aaron right now in the league? And J McK and
I have talked about this on the Hurt. He is
not a top fifteen quarterback. I don't care what anybody says,
Like I'm watching him, I don't trust him late. He's
got a little mobility, not as much as most guys.
I don't know. I don't know what you do with
Aaron Rodgers this thing. I don't remember a great quarterback

(38:49):
John ending a career like this, I mean farv Remember
it was eight and three with the Jets, right, got hurt,
he went to Minnesota and just tore the league up
the next This is a really really I almost think
it it. I mean, he's gonna be a Hall of Famer,
but it's almost a legacy affecting like year, Like he

(39:10):
is aged much faster than I thought.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Well, a couple of things you need to cop Go
to the NFL page, get the Leonard Williams highlight of
that pick six and copy it and send it to
Lincoln Riley and say, you need more guys that look
like this that you guys used to have. That's what
you need, you know, I thought early in that game,
when the Jets look good, yeah, I got it. The
Jet's gonna blow these guys out. Well, they had a
bye week, and what happens when like Steph Curry, Lebron

(39:36):
James missed a couple of weeks, they usually look good
when they come back. Why they're fresh, older guys. And
as the game went on, he's an inaccurate player. You
said top fifteen quarterback. I don't think he's a top
twenty five quarterback. I mean he was twenty one to
thirty nine. He's objectively inaccurate when you're watching, Yes, these balls.
The Garrett Wilson play is one for I don't know

(39:58):
up up until he tours Achilles, he would make with
his eyes closed with his left hand, And there are
other plays over the middle where again I don't know,
he's not seeing ghosts. But he's so rattled and sporadic
in the pocket because he knows he can't really run around.
Early in the game he had a couple runs. You're like, oh,
that looks like a little old Aaron. But as the
game goes on, I don't know if it just kind

(40:20):
of slows down a older guy. Then he doesn't move
as well and inaccuracy, like one thing he dominated, he
had an arm like Farv, yet he was accurate like
Drew Brees. Now. I feel like when the ball's coming
out of his hands, he doesn't know where it's going.
And I think he was so pinpoint accurate. I mean
that's separated. When he was with Green Bay, he would
hit these guys in the hands on every different route,

(40:42):
whether it was short, intermediate, or long. And now you're
watching these balls on pretty basic like over the middle,
crossing routes, guys reaching behind them getting destroyed over the middle.
I just think I don't know all the body mechanics,
but from the achilles if he doesn't trust his lower body.
There have been stories about him being banged up, which
I'm sure like no one's ever questioned, like Aaron's tough,

(41:03):
Like Aaron's been getting hit hard for a long time,
Like no one's question he got destroyed. Honestly, I was like,
is he gonna get up?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
And like it's not The toughness is not his problem.
I think his skills now are like tangibly deteriorating. And
that's where you know, you go back and forth about
him playing next year. I just think that the new
coach and the new GM, whoever comes in, you are
going to want a fresh start. And if you're Aaron Rodgers,
are you gonna want to keep going through this? You know?

(41:34):
I think Schlareth has been saying this for years. Every
player with their salt notices themselves first on film and
goes this is hard to watch right before your career ends.
You're like, that is that me? That's not me? That
can't be me, And Aaron has to watch. I mean
this is one of what do you think, top five
talents of all time at that position. Yeah, and now

(41:55):
he's making plays that people that he's been laughing at
for decade and a half. He can't even come close.
He missed the Garrett Wilson one, which is bad for him.
I think it's more of the basic routes that his
receivers are missing behind. He doesn't know where they're going
and it's tough to watch. And this team, they are

(42:16):
no lock to win any game, any game.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
You know, he's aging like Dan Marino. So and I
have compared Marino and Aaron Rodgers because esthetically they're just
beautiful throwers of the football. But at the end, Marino
couldn't move, his legs were shot. He wasn't putting in
the time. I mean he did when Jimmy Johnson got there.
He wouldn't show up for off season workouts and he
wouldn't show up. Well, Aaron is going to Egypt. I mean,

(42:42):
Aaron's doing his own thing. And when you're told how
beautiful you throw a football, and how great you are?
Yet Brady, even as he was winning Super Bowls in New England,
people said, well, he's a system quarterback. System quarterback. Patrick
Mahomes constantly hears, well it's Mahomes or it's Andy Reid.
I mean, Mahomes is great, we know that, but I mean,
let's be honest. Mahomes starts a lot of bad picks.
He's got the smartest coach, Travis Kelcey and that stuff,

(43:06):
you know, or Lamar Jackson, you're not a good passer,
Josh Allen, you can't beat Mahomes. It motivates these guys.
Aaron was basically told for fifteen years you are the
You're better than Brady. Marino was told for years, you're
actually better than Elway. And I think you're human. I think,
if you know, I've always been driven by the critics,

(43:27):
not by you know, positive press or whatever. So I
think Aaron hasn't put the time in. And I think
you can tell how hard people work. Like Drew Brees
at the end had lost his deep ball. He was
crazy accurate, he was tremendous Maligne of scrimmage. Drew Brees
slowly gradually eroded Aaron has gone off a cliff big Ben,

(43:53):
by the way, not known as the hardest off season
workout guy got old really fat. Cam Newton aged very quickly,
I Aaron reminds me of Marino, like he is just
not he is, I said, top fifteen. I mean, if
I said to you, I'll name a quarterback and you

(44:13):
tell me if you take this quarterback or Aeron Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald Donald, You're you're gonna struggle the name. Guys,
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I last three weeks, Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Bryce Young, I've watched some Caroline has played well for
a month.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
That's right, because him, No, he's played great. No, So
you're you're you're with me on this. I I just
don't think. I think he's been adored for so long
he hasn't put the time in. And now you can
see it. By the way, since Robert Sala been has
been fired, the Mets have two wins and the Jets
have one. That tells you that tells you about Robert

(44:57):
sala being fired. What a catastrophically dumb move it was.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I think his whole game, I mean, I would say
his pass when you close your eyes. You think Aaron Rodgers,
it's backpedaling off the back foot and throwing a dart.
Where when you think Brady and Manning his you know,
when you think the three guys of his era, it
was Brady, Manning, and Rogers. Two guys had nothing in
common with the other. I mean, Tom Brady once said

(45:24):
football is the most unique sport. I couldn't play any
other position in high school, let all, in the NFL,
they didn't move outside of a couple of yard radius.
It's why they practice fundamentals. If you went to a
Tampa Bay practice when Tom Brady was forty five years
old and showed up for the first twenty minutes, he's
in a full on sweat practicing his footwork. Well, Aaron
never had you because he could always get away with that.

(45:44):
It's like a basketball player who's the best athlete in
the league, who's not a great shooter. Now, Aaron technically was,
but once the athletic ability deteriorates, you're in major trouble
if your fundamentals aren't great. Right, Chris Paul's never been
that fast, so he's always been able to play a
certain style. Brady and Manning, Manning fell off a cliff
because his arm, like Drew Brees, did not work. Yeah,
not because he didn't know everything to do. Aaron Rodgers

(46:07):
doesn't play like those guys, and you watch him play
now the way he's kind of willy nilly was his
foot Jordan Love is a carbon copy of him. But
Jordan Love in the prime of his career right now,
that arm it fires out. You're like, geez, Jordan Love's
got a host. Yeah, Aaron's arm, you know, to let's
face here, just a little older. It's not as great.
And whether it's again the biomechanics of his lower body
with the achilles not being the same, doesn't it's just off.

(46:30):
But he doesn't sit in there and work his footwork
like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Tom Brady because he's
never had to, and that was always the knock. And
the one year he had a bad season, you know,
the McCarthy year, the McCarthy got fired, and then his
last year with Lafleur, he kind of gets off doing
his own thing, and when he gets a little off,
the fundamentals go out the window with him. They never

(46:52):
ever Peyton Manning sucked because he could not throw in
his shoulder let him down, not because his footwork and
his body was off in the pocket. Same thing with you,
Same thing with Tom. At the end, Thomas didn't want
to get hit. Don't blame him. Forty five years old.
Aaron's mechanics and and I would say, fundamentals are just
not good. They never have. Yeah, and he got away
with it. And now it's you're watching them. I have

(47:13):
a hard time seeing him play next year. And listen,
I understand not many jobs, no jobs unless you're like
the CEO of Apple are gonna pay forty plus million
dollars a year. But he's made a lot of money
and now he's getting peppered. He's forty years old. Who's
going to trade for him? If the Jets don't want him? Like,
what are really his options? Like it's it's probably a
situation that you don't even have a chance to win

(47:36):
in the summer. Like it's pretty clear. So I if
I had to guess, right now, we're the last We're
down the home stretch of Aaron Rodgers playing NFL football.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I want to go back to Thursday and talk about
one team. So the Chicago Bears, ibra Flus has been
fired off that insane, egregiously bad coaching snafoo. So I
saw Caleb Williams Saturday. I went to the Notre Dame
USC Gamet in jen Co in the athletic director's box.
He was there, so was his dad. I said hi
to Caleb and talked to his dad for a second.

(48:09):
Remember before the draft, I went on the air and
I said, you know, I've heard Caleb's got some reservations
about the Bears, but he didn't want to be the
bad guy. And the next day Caleb came out and said, no, no, no, no, no, no,
not true. I'm going to go to the Chicago Bears.
So I'm going to go to the Chicago Bears. Well,
the truth is Caleb didn't want to hurt his advertising market,

(48:33):
his influencer market, and he was going to be a
good soldier. But I trusted my source is that you know,
you can't look at the Bears an educated, reasonable person,
and that's Caleb can't look at the Bears and go
this is a great place to go. And you're seeing
basically what we predicted. I was told in the last

(48:58):
month by an NFLG he thought the mccaskeys were the
worst owners Bidwell's second, mccaskey's the worst. They're some of
the poorest, just an odd group. The guy the president
is a former Big ten president. You know, a lot

(49:18):
of opinions. Not great on the details. I've been told
Eber flews over his skis. Ryan Poles has done okay,
there's been I love the Montese sweat move. I love
that move. Chase Claypool people take swings and mess I'm
not going to judge him some of his drafting. Jalen Johnson.
I like the Keenan Allen pickup. I talked to Cole
Comett this weekend. He was in the box with Caleb Williams.

(49:40):
There's I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Pole's extended Poles extended commit I mean he's there for
a while.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah yeah, I don't know if he drafted him, but
he extended him. But this organization, what is happening now
is what Caleb and any reasonable person feared is then.
I thought Caleb was good enough. He was the only
quarterback in this draft. Like Andrew, luck didn't get the
right GM, an impulsive owner, his coach got fired battle line.

(50:10):
He was good enough and Andrew. Now, I don't think
Caleb's as good as Andrew Luck as a prospect, but
I thought he was one of these top ten prospects.
But the difference is this division is so damn good.
Is as good as Caleb is. I'm sorry again. Minnesota

(50:31):
is well run. They don't have Super Bowls. I've always
felt they're pretty well run. Green Bay's exceptionally run. Detroit
now is well run. I worry that Caleb Williams is
going to just be stuck having to compensate for an
organization that's arguably the weakest in the league because that
Andrew Berry is a very good GM in Cleveland. We
don't love the ownership, but we like the coach and

(50:53):
the GM. I have a feeling here that Bears right now,
along with Carolina and people like Dan Morgan as they
don't love Temper, are the Bears the most dysfunctional franchise
in the league.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
It has to be right up there. I mean, I
personally have always thought, once you have a lot of
money and you run a business and you still are
really cheap on things that really matter, like you kind
of have a disease Cincinnati business back. Yeah, yeah, you
see this in all walks of life, even outside of football.
Like eventually you got a pivot like Walmart. Sam Walton

(51:27):
was notoriously very cheap. There came a point in time
where you had to pivot with some of the big
expenses with the company. And there are stories this weekend
and I gobbled up everything ABRAF loose, the firing of them.
When they interview coaches, they fly them out and they
put them in coach And I had a buddy in
the NFL that said when they were interviewing gms, they
put them all in like a shuttle. I mean, just

(51:49):
things that in the NFL, in college football at the
highest level that are just viewed like any industry, there
are certain standards for the highest level of your CEO,
for your head coach. That is pretty embarrassing. And this,
this is a franchise. This guy a chiropractor at the
gym who just whenever I see him, he loves this
Sunday show with me and you. He've found me through you,

(52:10):
and he's a diehard Bears guy. And he was hammering,
you know, the Kevin Warren situation, and he's like, people
don't realize this franchise has been owned by this family
since the twenties. I would imagine for sixty seventy years,
the economics of the league. For the McCaskey, you know,
Papa Hall was a little different than it's become the

(52:32):
last twenty twenty five years. But philosophically, their thoughts on
everything have kind of been engraved, you know, from their grandparents,
Like the way they think about this. Hell the is
it the grandma or whatever. Virginia McCaskey is like one
hundred years old. Did you think she've used things like
Jeffrey Luriy and Howie Roseman, or like Less Sneed and

(52:54):
Dan Cronkey. How can she compete against that? Jed York's
forty five years old, run around with Silicon Valley people.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
How about this? We knew that Al Davis was a
pioneer in a visionary and in the last ten years
got really murky and bad. Jerry Jones Visionary Maverick last
six to eight years as a bad roster. So those
guys weren't I mean, that was an eight to ten

(53:20):
year stretchery or uncomfortable. I feel like Chicago's been like
this for twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
And I think whenever you have ownership that doesn't know
what they're doing, Kevin Warren is kind of reported this
morning that he's running point on the coaching search and
Ryan Poles will assist him. Callin that is insanity. This
is a guy that was hired to run the business
and get them a stadium. You know the geography of

(53:46):
Chicago better than me. But it again through my buddy
said that they basically laid it all out for him
in the suburbs and they want to stay in the city.
Get everything's there for them. They already owned the land.
It's like, that's you got to get the stadium built,
not hire the coach that that should be Ryan Pole's
job and the owner. But the owners want no part
of it because they don't know what they're doing. And

(54:06):
it's it's pretty sad. And this is where in the NFL,
Like Caleb was in a tough spot. This has gone
worse than I didn't think it was gonna go well,
Like I didn't even view him as a playoff team.
It's obviously been way worse. You know his report today,
Jalen Johnson lost it on ebra Flus as he just
gave his postgame. You know, hey, guys is ad versus me.
It's like, no, this We're not given the the cliche

(54:28):
speech anymore in here, Matt and he should have been
fired in January. Absolute, he should have been fired in
January because now you're repeating the same thing over and over.
But who's it's interesting, you go, who's gonna want this job? Actually,
on paper, it's a pretty good job. They got a
lot of players and a GM that comes from Kansas
City who's a former offensive lineman. I do think the

(54:48):
Kevin Warren thing is as big of a red flag
if I have to answer ebra Flus and Ryan Poles
this year answered to him, not the owner. Like Mike
Vrabel's hanging up. He's not answering to Kevin Warren. Obviously,
Bill I don't. They probably wouldn't even interview them. Ben
Johnson's gonna have enough leverage, Like I'm not answering to
the team president that does not own the team. You

(55:09):
know in Denver Penner who is married into the Walton family,
it's like it's all the same umbrella. So it's like, yeah,
I answer to him. He is the family rights, this
is this guy's an independent. This guy could be fired
tomorrow Kevin Warren. And if I'm Vrabel, I have to
answer to him, who I don't think knows anything about football. Remember,
he was the guy leading the charge to cancel football

(55:31):
up through the middle of August, and it wasn't for
Jim Harbaugh and CJ. Stroud in the Big Ten, he
would have canceled football. And I know there's tumultuous times,
especially depending on where you live, but that's something that
to me, that's why Jim Harball, Like Jim Harbaugh was
never working with him last year, a lot of people
thought that they could hire him, and I just think
the Bears, man they are. That's gotta be one of

(55:52):
the more embarrassing three or four game stretches that I
ever remember. Like I saw some bad Jim Thomps Suley
you know, that year, but he didn't have specific aims
over and oh it was just a bad like a joke.
But these specific moments on Thanksgiving. I mean, how many
people were watching that game? Twenty five million? The clock
just kept tickting.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
What's going on here? It's the worst situational coaching I've
ever seen in my life. Not first of all, rookie
quarterback against Detroit short week, but throw them a life preserver,
like if it's year three. I'm on Caleb's ass. He
is a rookie on a short week on the road.
Call a time out. You can see him. Everybody's flailing.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I had a lot of scouting buddies crushing Caleb, like
you know. He's the quarterback twenty one, twenty two years old,
short week, late in December, never played this long, probably exhausted,
had led them back. Yes, right, that's the coach. He's
the defensive coordinator. He does nothing on offense. His only
job is to watch the clock. Clearly they're discombobulated.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
They should they should have.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
He should have called the clock the moment he hit
his knee, hit the ground, sacked. It was a no brainer. Yeah,
and honestly I was prize they fired him, weren't you?
Or was it just so bad they had no choice?
I expect the Bears have played out the rest of
the year.

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talk about a couple of college football situations. So I

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did not think. I think this is the biggest in
the history of this rivalry. It's got to be the
biggest upset. Michigan passed for sixty two yards, had two
picks on the road, and still won. I mean, Michigan
hasn't thrown the ball at Michigan's a very easy team
to defend. They can't pass. You could be hyper aggressive.
So I thought one of the things I compared today

(58:35):
in my car, I did a little thing on Twitter.
I compared Ryan Day, the Ohio State coach. I wouldn't
fire him, but there's a clear whole. He's Mark Ricked.
So Mark rick had been a quarterback coach like Day,
was an offensive coordinator like Day, and then got a
blue blood job. And I always felt when watching Georgia

(58:57):
under Mark Richt, he had several top ten finishes in
the big games. You never felt they got the most
out of the roster. And that's exactly how I feel
about Ryan Day is that he can recruit like Ricked.
He's a nice guy like Ricked. But those Georgia teams
never had an identity. They just had really good players.

(59:19):
Even when they had like I think Matt Stafford he
had like he would have. They would they would have
moments and you'd be like, Oh, this team's the best
in the country. And they won a lot of big games.
He won three out of four games he coaches, and
Ryan Day wins by out of six games he coaches.
But they have no identity. And I thought that game.
Here's my take. So Ryan Day is one of those
guys that you know Urban Meyer. He went to Bowling Green,

(59:43):
he went at Utah, he went at Florida. By the
time he gets to Ohio State, he has got a
lot of confidence. His shit works, Jim Harbaugh, My ship works, right,
Ryan Day, What does he fall back on? So remember
when he got really defense, when old Lou Holtz took
a shot at him and they won a game. In

(01:00:05):
a post game, he takes a shot at rickety old
blue holes and I'm like, wait a minute, Well, why
do you care about that? Because he doesn't have a
history of success Mark Rick did. Neither is that when
you you know, save Michigan State, LSU, Alabama, NFL, people

(01:00:27):
can take shots at you. You have a formula that works.
Ryandy doesn't have a formula that works. He's two and
foreign bulls. He can't beat Michigan now four years in
a row. And I thought the game plan was fascinating. John.
He was trying to prove how tough Ohio State was
in the first half. Say, bro, you have major matchup

(01:00:47):
advantages at wide receiver. He wanted to prove. Hey, people
say we're not this this game's always decided by rushing yards.
I'm going to approve. I'm gonna low this hole. I
can't coach tough football teams. Because he got very defensive
with Lou Holtz questioning that and this is Ryan Day

(01:01:09):
and we'll get into Lincoln Riley in a second. He's
a little lost when you start worrying about voices outside
the building and narratives, and it starts changing your game plan.
Their first half game plan was embarrassing, Like what was it?
He was trying to prove we can win tough, just

(01:01:30):
win the damn game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
You know, I've had this theory with politics for a
while that sometimes the media is detrimental to candidates and
a certain party. And I think, you know, CNN and
MSNBC writer in the headlines a lot, a lot that
no one's watching them anymore. They're losing a lot of viewership,
but their clips go viral and I'm on a million

(01:01:53):
text chains that see them constantly, and they're constantly lecturing
people that whether it was Biden's cognitive ability or the
Kamala was a great candidate. And eventually the people are like, yeah,
just come on right, pump the bricks. And I think
for a long time there has been a media apparatus
that has told everybody, you, Ohio State fans are lunatics.

(01:02:14):
Get lectured them that they're lunatics. And this guy is
ex look at his record, and it's like, guys, most
human beings now over thirty years old have been alive
long enough to see Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban
Kirk Kirby smart dabble like they know what a really
good coach looks like. They also know that the Big Ten,

(01:02:35):
beside a team or two every once in a while,
is not very good anymore. Most of these teams, like
beating Nebraska and beating Minnesota when you're at Ohio State
and you have unlimited resources, is not that impressive. So
you are basically paid to beat Penn State, Michigan and
the other top teams that you play, whether it's Notre
Dame or which you play in the playoffs and stuff.
That's it, Like, no one, you get no credit for

(01:02:55):
beating the shit out of Minnesota and Nebraska. Whoever you
better win those games, but no one cares. It's like
James Harden scoring fifty against Sacramento Kings in January, Like,
I'm sorry, no one puts any stock into that after
a while, And I think everyone getting lectured constantly about
Ryan Day. Ryan Days, like, guys, we've seen him in
these big games and it's something's off, right, something's off,

(01:03:15):
and in this game specifically right, the last couple of years,
Harbaugh has had a team that was elite, so you
get beat as happens, Kirby smarts losses.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Last year, Michigan had better players than Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
They had seventy guys drafted or whatever. This year. You
we've all seen crazy games in college. We've seen twenty
plus years insane. That to me, obviously, we've seen bigger
outcomes like Vince Young that was a national championship game, right,
or even Ohio State lost or won national in a
regular season game. I think that's one of the craziest
outcomes I've ever seen that entire life. It was start

(01:03:47):
to finish because not a person in the world, especially
a Michigan fan, would have bet on Michigan. And as
the game was going, you kept thinking yourself, this can't
be happening. But he tried to get into a heavyweight
fight with the one thing Michigan can do, and Chips
are to running up the middle. It's like they're two
good players with the defensive tackles. You have three NFL guys.
But I keep thinking that after the game and everyone's

(01:04:08):
shitting on Ryan Day. It's like, well, they've been lectured
for five years that he's a great coach, and it's like,
I'm just waiting for him to beat another Like we
don't care that he's beating James Franklin now four straight times. Yeah,
Like you can't beat Michigan, which in this program clearly
is borderline the equivalent of like the National title game
at this point, and he loses against the other good
teams when he plays him in big spots. So you're

(01:04:30):
watching him and you go the cockiness the third base comment.
Most guys that get those jobs. Jim Harbaugh to get
the Michigan job, had to coach at San Diego Stanford
and then win at the forty nine ers. You know,
this guy had never been a head coach. Yeah, and
he got the job and handed to him by one
of the greatest coaches of his era. So the Ohio
State fans literally know what it looks like with Urban

(01:04:50):
Meyer and you go, well, we're not that physical. We
have this pass And here's I was thinking about this too,
because I've been critical of this guy for a long time.
And Starkesey is got Texas in the SEC championship year one,
and I'm watching him last night and I went to
watch him live. Sark takes this offensive guy like Ryan Day,
Well he's also the play caller, so half the game

(01:05:12):
is his baby, right and the program's his baby. But
the play calling, well, Ryan Day is like turned into
this CEO even though he's this offensive minded guy, has
to hire Chip Kelly and you're watching him on offense
just look terrible against a Michigan team. Their best corner
Will Johnson, who might be like a top five pick.
It's like Travis Hunter two point oh corner is out

(01:05:32):
your slicing. I was like, what are you guys doing?
Like you're supposed to be an offensive mind, get chips
call in the plays, and then your team's not that tough.
And I do think to look after the game where
they plant the flag and he stands there and it
just listen. They're in the playoffs, so you're not gonna
fire him today. I don't see how this moves forward,

(01:05:52):
I because I I think it's very possible that this
type loss they could just lose immediately in the playoffs,
depending on who they play. Do you think Ohio State
fans And I'm an Ohio State hater. But if I
was in their shoet, I'd be tired of being lectured
constantly by and listen, I get it. Joe Klatt and
all these guys at Ohio State is a huge part
of the business, and they're awesome. I like washing them too,

(01:06:13):
But like we have to riot day, like Kirby Smarts,
the Nick Saban's like he's at Urban Myers. He's not
even remotely on their level.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
He's not even debatable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
No, no, he is much closer to Mark Rick who
you know, George is better now without Mark Richt, who
was a really nice guy. But they I mean, I
had an NFL GM tell me years ago, he'd love
drafting Georgia guys under Mark Richt, he goes, because they
were He goes, if you drafted a Nick Saban guy
at Bama, he'd already squeezed all the juice out of
the player. He goes these Georgia guys like they still

(01:06:42):
had two gears of shifting, you know, like there you
were always like, oh, they're way better than you think.
The Other thing is that the transfer portal and the
NIL have actually created parody. When I was talking with
a guy today who's a he runs a message board
for Ohio State, and I said, you know, you used
to be able to years ago when you had one

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hundred and twenty five scholarships and the John McKay era
for US. See, you'd take like four running backs in
the West Coast just to hog them, even if he
didn't play him. And then we got down to eighty
five scholarships. And you can still do a little bit
of that. Nick Saban can do it. Kirby Smart Well,
Now a backup left tackle at let's say Ohio State
Louisville comes in and says, we'll pay it three hundred

(01:07:24):
thousand dollars. You're a starter for US, or a right
tackle at Ohio State. Well, you want to be a
left tackle and show that scouts that you know, whoever's
got money. Whatever team A Texas A and M could say,
come here, start at left tackle, so there's less depth
and then an Ohio State could lose an elite offensive

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tackle where it's always been my whole life. The top
programs have tour they have backups that would start except
for there's a first round guy in front of them. Well,
that guy now just goes and plays at a lesser
program gone. And so if you have an injury, So
let's say you're Georgia and you lose you know, brock Bowers,
and then a tight end gets hurt and the other

(01:08:08):
tight end who you had, he got purchased by Wake
Forest or somebody or Oregon. Well, now your tight ends
no better than the guy at Purdue. So these teams
like Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State, if they have
a key O line injury or a linebacker injury, they
don't have great backups. Those guys have been purchased in

(01:08:28):
the NIL to go to lesser programs. And I mean
I know a program that was I mean Washington, I
mean they were in the Harbaugh Michigan teams. They were like, Okay,
who's not starting that we recruited. Who's a five star guy,
who's behind a you know, a sophomore who's got two
more years there? That's the game. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
I think Ohio State though, if you look at this offseason,
theos Well reported they spend twenty million. Yeah, I think
these numbers. Yeah, it could be twenty five, could be eighteen,
could be twelve. You know, who knows the actual number.
But They spent a lot relative and I think widely
considered the most of any college football team, and they
bought Ferraris. I mean, Caleb Downs would start for every
NFL team immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
He's great.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
You know. They bought multiple sweet players. And then they
signed Kansas State's quarterback, who some believe was not going
to be their starter anymore because the other kid that
was coming up they played this year. They were going
to go to him a little more dynamic. And you
look and you go, well, shouldn't if you're gonna buy
a Ferrari and a range Rover and not have a garage, like,

(01:09:31):
it's a pretty risky move. You know, cam Ward was
clearly the guy. But you go, Chip, Kelly, Ryan, day
of it. They wouldn't really love cam Ward a little bit.
You know. That's not really their type player, especially Chip.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, do his own thing, Will.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Howard or Will Howard that's yeah, it was much more
their type guy. And you watch Kyle McCord at Syracuse,
who just take down Miami. He's had a pretty good year. Yeah,
they blamed everything on him last year and listen, he
was up and down for him. But I think sometimes
in this nil era, when you're paying people, especially quarterbacks,
lot of money. You can start doing finger pointing, where
in the history of the sport you would just give

(01:10:05):
that guy a couple of years to be your starter
and maybe that one year. You look back, you win
the national championship. The next year and you go, we
live through that. Look what Harbaugh did with JJ McCarthy
and that crew of guys. They lost that devastating game
to Tissue TCU. Right, it was hard to stomach. A
couple of years ago. Everyone came back and they won it. Well,
now in the NIL era, if you like you're just
pointing the finger, you make a couple guys transfer they're

(01:10:27):
not good enough, you upgrade. You watch how could you
lose a game where the opposing team If I told
you at the start, how much money would you put
on Ohio State? If they're starting quarterback through for sixty
yards and through two picks, you'd be like, I bet
they win the game forty to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I thought I predict to kill them. I thought it
was going to be I honestly thought thirty eight to
thirteen would be close. I thought it was gonna be
a blowout.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
You just can't. You just can't fake toughness. And I've
been around these coaches long enough and know these guys
and these NFL teams and these programs. Some guys have
it and some guys don't, and a small percentage truly
have it, like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban. It's not about
like your size or your coach, but you're like everyone
when you walk into the room, they kind of they're

(01:11:10):
their shoulders. Kirby clearly has it right. It's a small
percentage of guys. And Ryan he's not bad, but he
was also handed. I think the best program in the
country with unlimited resources and will do whatever he wants.
And they are regressing four straight times in Michigan. I
think he's a loss. We'll see who they end up
playing in the first round. Let's just say they play Tennessee.

(01:11:31):
That if they play a team like and they lose,
I mean, you, now, who are they going to hire?
Like it's Mike Vrabel's not coming to college football in
this era, right, So it's like, who you know? Do
you hire the Iowa State coach? There's no it's you
might just get the same thing, Like you're probably not
getting Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. You know the version
the next version of that. So you're just this is
where they're kind of you know, it's not that bad,

(01:11:54):
but it's clearly not good enough because if you can't
get Michigan now, like you just beat a team that
was so desperate they paid a kid twelve to fifteen
million dollars to be their quarterback who's seventeen years old.
That's the team you just lost to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
All Right, I want to finish up USC Notre Dame.
By the way, Marcus Freeman, the coach for Notre Dame,
Peter Schrager is reporting this, and this is the second
person I've heard it from. Marcus Freeman. The Chicago Bears
are interested culture builder. So just throw that out there.
That's being talked about in NFL circles. Notre Dame coach
Marcus Freeman.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Would you leave Notre Dame making ten million dollars a
year to the Bears? No, if you had to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Answer to Kevin Mostly and I would not even know.
But it's interesting. They can't get rid of Lincoln Riley.
He had his contract turned over, so it's nine years,
ninety million left. They just put three hundred million into
the facilities. They're collectives up to eighteen million, so that
it's not a money issue. They're collective is now to
eighteen million dollars. I was told by an agent yesterday

(01:12:58):
that's not it. But it's so they're not going to
get rid of Lincoln. They're not going to do it us.
He's not going to buy him out. It's not the
SEC and his best talent is young, and their defensive
line talent they've recruited the last two years is much better.
Blah blah blah. But this goes back to the Ryan
Day thing. So he was handed an Oklahoma program and

(01:13:20):
the culture was set, and he was very clever. He
was a better offensive guy than Stoops. So he goes
to USC and he doesn't really have to build a
culture because Caleb Williams is so much better than everybody
else in the conference. And they win eleven game, should
have beaten two lanes at a one to twelve. The
following year, about halfway through, you're like, wow, they have
to replace the defensive staff. He deserves credit for that.

(01:13:42):
But if you I believe, and somebody said this to me,
they said, he's getting Why isn't he replacing offensive coaches?
They have one good, not great offensive tackle in the
program three years in The backup left tackle is six
two three ten. He's a center. They have one really

(01:14:04):
nice draftable running back in three years he's leaving. They
don't have a draftable defensive player on this team. I
think Camari Ramsey, the safety's draftable next year. Notre Dame
is a better football team, should have won. It's not that,
but now we're going into year four. Forget the defense,
which is better but not elite. They don't have enough
good offensive town. This quarterback they have as a ham

(01:14:26):
and egger. I mean he either he can't read the
middle of the field or they don't trust him. Everything's
up the sidelines, everything's bubble screen up the sideline. They
don't throw the ball in the middle of the field.
What I am hearing is he is alienated LA high
school coaches. I mean they're LA recruiting stinks, so USC
is trapped here. They can't buy him out. He's gotten

(01:14:47):
stubborn on the offensive coaching where they're just not getting
outside a receiver. They still have good enough players, forgettable
running backs, forgettable tight ends, don't have any tackles outside
of Elijah Paide left tackle. When they signed up to
a ten year deal. You thought you were getting a steal.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
This is the first time i've really I look at
it and I'm like, wait a minute. They're getting worse
every six games from the beginning of Caleb's first year
to the next six, to the beginning of year two
to the last six. This team beat LSU at the
end of the year the last three years. They're not
a breaking football team. That is bad coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
If I would have told you in August that they
would have one more win on December first than UCLA,
he would have said, John, put down the drugs. I
thought UCLA was gonna win like two games this season.
And honestly, it's not like they beat the brakes off them.
That game probably could have gone either way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, the fourth quarter, it was close.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah, Ucla being five and seven and you being six
and six. What a disaster for the USC.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
UCLA has no money in their collective USC has eighteen million,
So it's it's it's not a fair fight.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Well, let's you know, we've talked about Ryan day he
inherits Ohio state. The recruiting mechanism was already set in
place like what Lincoln had in Oklahoma under Bob Stoops.
It was already the guys flowing there. He just had
to keep it rolling. And he's done that. It's why
his disasters are ten and two. Everyone wants to fire him.
Lincoln would die for that. Lincoln had to start it
from scratch. To me, if you don't nail the best

(01:16:24):
players in California, obviously the transfer portal has changed classes
a little bit. That's pretty embarrassing. And I get this
is not the Pete Heyday, but like, why do Kirby
and Nick and the guys that win in the South
wind because they nail the players in their region? Yes,
and there it's harder because you have to recruit. If
you're at LSU, at Georgia, at Alabama, you know, Florida

(01:16:45):
ever got good Now Tennessee, you're all recruiting against each other.
Like obviously Oregon has to come down to southern California,
but you still have a huge advantage and everything. The
nostalgia of the Reggie Bush of what it used to be,
it's just gotta be gone. If you meet someone now
and young people that work for you, and you know,
I'm around young people, like a twenty five year old
was born in two thousand, right, so that guy in

(01:17:09):
the heyday of Liner and Reggie and Lindel White was
five or six years old. So those guys that are
now eighteen years old, think about it. They were like
the Clay Helton era. So this this nossalgia of what
used to be exists to me and you or older people,
not to the people that matter the most. And if
you piss off these high school coaches, like the high

(01:17:31):
school coaches are the lifeblood of someone's program because they
funnel you guys. I mean they are very very important.
Obviously now money's changed hands. But to me, sc like
Caleb Downs whoever, that the equivalent of those type players
every year they should it should be between Ohio State,
USC and Texas like if they're not in on every
and why Er Sark and Ohio State's roster are so

(01:17:53):
good because they're buying all the sweet players who are available.
And obviously they recruit really well. What is Lincoln gonna
have a top ten recruiting class this year in the nation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Top twenty twelve with twelve to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
And here's the problem. Ohio State, even with Ryan Day,
is not going anywhere if they keep them for the
next five years. They're gonna win ten or eleven games
every year. Oregon clearly is going nowhere. And listen, we
can Washington see what.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
James Jedfish can recruit. So jed Fish will get that
puppy to nine wins fast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
And I've heard that they did not use much nil
money this year because they wanted to take a deep breath.
They're gonna be blown it this year, so they will
be aggressive and Penn State. We've already seen the stats
over the last six years or seven years. If they
would have the playoffs, they'd be in it every year.
And the one thing James hangs his hat on is recruiting.
Yeah right, it's one thing you say. James Franklin is
great at recruiting, right in game coaching recruiting. So I

(01:18:49):
you could argue this could just nothing could change, you know,
six and six, maybe they're eight and four. But I
don't know. They'd have to catch lightning in a bottle.
I don't know if you're ever going to see the
Lincoln that they bought. I think this might be the
new normal, you know, which is when you're paying that
type of premium. What was that building? Was that a
home game for Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
No, it was, it was seventy five, it was eighty
twenty USC it was a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Notre Dame was I'm an apathetic group yet, but it's
they've got to be pretty down right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
The big apathy. The Big Ten saves them because the Nebraska's, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan,
Ohio State travels so well. That's what really saves them.
They'll have good revenue because of their collective and let's
be honest, twenty thousand Big Ten fans in the winter,
they're going to LA to watch that game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
To me, where you have no excuse, like, listen, you
lose the Oregon, you lose Ohio State, like maybe you're
not as good. You cannot be losing to the middle
of the pack Maryland. And when you look at the
middle of the pack and the Big Ten, what is
the difference between UCLA and Rutgers and USC like that?
That's that's what would really shake me if I was
a USC fan, is we're not just middle of the pack.

(01:20:04):
From a talent standpoint, When I watch him play, it
looks the same. It's always been my defense of the SEC.
It's like you just watched the SEC it's different, like ye,
there's just more. Obviously Ohio State and Oregon have the equivalent,
but the middle of the Big Ten and the middle
of the SEC. Even if the records are the same,
the talent discreptancy is obvious. And USC's did they kind

(01:20:25):
of had an easy schedule this year. Did they play
Ohiose State?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
They did not play Ohio State, nor do they play
Ohio State next year. So if you look at I
mean Lincoln got a big break. He didn't get Oregon
or Ohio State this year. He didn't get Ohio State
next year. So even it's funny you ask, I looked
at USC schedule yesterday, and they have the home in
a ways, it's a really they get Michigan at home,

(01:20:52):
they get a couple of their you know, they get
a couple of their tough games at home, so they're
getting They don't have an LSU on the schedule. They
play like Georgia, Southern Southwest, Missouri State. They do an
SEC out of conference schedule, so that if you look
at the schedule next year, John, it is by Big
Ten standards, it is a cake walk.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
The other thing is and obviously football at USC is
way bigger than basketball. Yeah, but muscleman kind of has
a history of winning and just kind of playing the part, right,
so he's just god. He just can shake some hands,
he can put on a smile, he can play the part.
Like you don't get to be just grumpy Belichick in college, right,
you can do that in the NFL. As long as

(01:21:32):
you win in college, you do have to shake hands.
Donors nil, And now they're going to be comparing in
Derek Musselman, who's been winning at all these places. And
then you got Lincoln kind of henery, scowls, not smiling.
I think you asked yourself, and this is what I
said from the beginning. Does he even want to be there?
Did he just get an offer so gigantic that no

(01:21:53):
human could turn down? Where it's like he was already
so rich, he's looking at his bank account, my life.
Do I regret this? I think you gotta say, if
he could do if he could do it over again?
Is he the coach at USC right now? I think
you'd have to say no.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Right. I still think he believes based on the recruiting,
the interior defensive line recruiting the last couple of years.
I think he believes next year's the season, but they
don't have a quarterback. They don't have an elite quarterback,
so shit, who knows. John Middelkoff, former NFL scout as

(01:22:27):
Olas crushed it, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Thanks gong, talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
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