Colin Cowherd Podcast - Josh Allen MVP? Steelers Have Lamar’s Number, Bo Nix OROY? Rodgers “A Shot Fighter”, Paul vs Tyson A “Circus” - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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here we go on a Sunday, Buffalo thirty Kansas City

(00:22):
twenty one in the epic best rivalry in the NFL.
John Middlecoff, former NFL scout with the Philadelphia Eagles, is
joining us. So I'll start with this, and I've said
this for the last couple of weeks. This team's the
best equipped to beat Kansas City. First of all, they
have their best running game with James Cook, best running
back they've had. I think they have an interesting group

(00:44):
of receivers, and they now have two tight ends, although
Kincaid banged up, but you know, Amari Cooper made several
nice plays today. They've got the slot guy. We know
they're going to be well coached defensively because of Sean McDermott.
And as I watched this game, I thought Kansas City
would win because they were so much talk of injuries
to Buffalo receivers, but you know, most of them showed
up and played. And my take is we all kind

(01:07):
of knew Buffalo was gonna win one of these games.
And I think this Buffalo team at home. This was
I kind of felt like this team can beat anybody,
including kse.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Listen. I think we talked about the Chiefs owning them
because they beat them in the playoffs last year and
then a couple of years ago in that thirteen second game.
The Bills have now beat him three straight regular seasons.
Now two of those, I think back to back years
have been in Buffalo, definitely two of the three of them.
So it's like they play well against them, Like, there's
no disputing I'm sure we'll get into Lamar later. Lamar

(01:42):
against the Chiefs looked like a different player. Josh Allen
has played really really well against the Chiefs. Yeah, regular
season and in the playoffs. I mean today, is this
game really as closed if he doesn't make that disastrous
decision on that fourth down where he just threw that
ball up and then it led to a Chiefs touch
which they struggle to score. I mean, so he doesn't

(02:03):
turn it over right there, Let's say they kick a
field goal. I mean, do they have twenty one points
at the end of the day. I mean, this is
a team that struggles to score points, yes, right, I
mean it's a problem now, you know, playoff games look
like this, and they were nine to zero, you know,
in their margin for victory. And a lot of these
games are coming down the But that's how a lot

(02:24):
of playoff games they're gonna be very equipped and because
they're coaching, because they're quarterback. But listen, like Buffalo and
maybe it's Pittsburgh now more than the Ravens, like these
games like it's there for the taking. Yes, it is
wide open. Can't we say that it's wide open in
the AFC? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
And I think, you know, it's funny watching when I
look at Josh Allen, just take I mean, nobody thinks
Brady was the most talented quarterback. We all know Marino
was more talented. Tom gets some you know, seven rings,
Reno gets none. And Dan had a great coach in
Don Shula. So we know that winning Super Bowls is
not just on talent. But if you're asking me the
most talented quarterback I've ever seen that last touchdown round

(03:06):
by Josh Allen, there's not three four quarterbacks ever. Maybe
Steve Young makes that. You know, I don't know if
Mahomes can run over two defenders at the goal line.
Josh is about size, arm Ad libbing pocket. With Lamar,
he loses in the playoffs and we're like he's a
different quarterback. We don't say that. With Josh. It's like, oh,

(03:29):
he threw for four hundred yards and came up short.
I'm watching him today. He had one really terrible throw.
Mahomes had a bad pick early. It's like there's just
I mean, I guess Marino, John Elway, Josh Allen. It's
a really I mean, Montana and Brady have the rings.
I don't think they're the most talented quarterbacks, had two
of the best coaches. I think Josh is the MVP.

(03:51):
There's just nothing like I can't he doesn't have a
comp to me.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, think about this of the Internet era. I mean,
Brady's the best quarterback of all time and Peyton is
the top five quarterback of all time, and neither one
was the best most talented quarterback of their era. That
was Aaron Rodgers right right, But he wouldn't rank ahead
of either guy. I think, you know, John Elway forever
was like, yeah, the perfect player because he could move,
and I think Josh Allen has entered into that because

(04:16):
part of like the way we talk, they also checked
all the boxes right work ethic, leader of the team,
teammates loved him. Monday through Saturday, was fantastic. I said
it coming into this season, and I stand by it.
I think he's the second best quarterback in the NFL.
And obviously a lot of people come at you like, well,
Lamar's havn't because he's having a better season up until

(04:37):
the day than he was last year when he won
the MVP. Well part of it last year was an
awful MVP class. And listen, Lamar's also, I don't know,
one of the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen. So but
the one thing that that he still leaves to be
desired is playing really well in the lights of the
brightest those first couple of weeks. Well, I mean, if
you look at it, and that is not a question
with Josh, He's been dominant in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
If you look at a time Lamar against Kansas City
in Pittsburgh, he's bad. His passer writing's like sixty six.
Josh is never bad. I mean, he'll have a bad Sunday.
But I kind of looked at this game and it
goes to show and we know this in the Super
Bowl last several years, defense as good as Spag's defense is.

(05:19):
When Josh Allen is running out in the end and
running over guys, it just doesn't matter what the scheme is.
The great ones and Josh is an all timer. Elway
had at one point, I don't know what he ended with,
like forty four game winning drives in the fourth He
played some of the best defenses, the great defensive coordinators.
You know, you couldn't stop Kobe or mj or Lebron

(05:40):
when they wanted it. I just look at Josh and
he's sort of he's a scheme buster. If he's in,
if he's got the right components, there's not much you
can do well.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
He's Cam Newton as a runner because of his power
in his size, but he's such a dominant passer. I mean,
I think he has a chance. I mean, he's got
a long runway the rest of his career to go
down as one of the better players of all time.
Now you get to fine, you know, in football, like
in most pro sports, how you do in the playoffs,
and you know it's not he hasn't lost them games.

(06:11):
I mean their defense has obviously let them down in
some playoff games, but the pretty good opportunity this year. Right,
like the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't scoring many touchdowns. The Ravens
have a lot of flaws. They just beat the Chiefs. Now,
home field advantage is very, very big for Buffalo. I
mean they had it last year and they blew it
to Kansas City, but they were the favorite in that game.
Now the Chiefs get the Panthers next week, so they

(06:34):
still have a one game cushion on the Bills. But
think about this, you know you live back in the Northeast.
For a lot of the Brady era, the Bills, I
would say, at the Internet age before Josh got there
were mainly a joke. Yeah, I mean they were really,
really bad. You could look at him a little bit
like Mahalves is one of the greatest players I've ever
seen any sport. I'm not diminishing anything he's done. But
he did take over a team that was winning ten

(06:56):
to eleven games. He just took them to thirteen fourteen
a Super Bowls. Right he Josh Allen arrived, This team
was a joke. You know, it was an embarrassment. So
was you know, you get more credit. I'm not saying
like just as an individual in a vacuum, Like, that's
really really impressive what he's done. Same with Sea Dermott
elevating this franchise because they're like obviously the Chiefs have

(07:18):
had are much more accomplished. But in terms of rest
of the league, how many you know, we talked about
the Ravens, we hold them to such high regard, or
the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Steelers haven't won a playoff game in
close to a decade, right, I mean, look at the
Bill's success. They are dominating, They're shoeing for their division
every year, and honestly they're coin flipped of like are
they going to be the one or two seed every year?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well? Yeah, I mean, and what if Allen gets drafted
by the Chiefs and Mahomes goes to the Bills. You know,
A prime example this year, and we'll get to this
later is bo Knicks. Bo Nix has tearn it up.
Bow Knicks now has four games completing over seventy percent
no picks, two touchdowns. That's tied for the greatest rookie

(07:58):
season accomplishment ever. Well, a huge component to that, about
seventy five percent of that is Sean Payton. I mean
Kayleb Williams with a defensive coach and the defensive culture,
the more talented than bo Nicks, so I think. But
I will say this, I don't think anybody holds it
over the head of Josh Allen. I think we all

(08:18):
know Mahomes is great and Andy's helped a lot. And
I think we all know Josh Allen's great, and he
doesn't have Andy Reid. And I think Sean mcdermot's terrific,
and I really do. I think Sean McDermott I've compared him.
You may not remember this much. Chuck Knox, who was
great everywhere he was at. He was great in Seattle, Buffalo,
rams won everywhere, just not the postseason. But he was

(08:41):
meticulous in his details. So Chuck Knox would come into
your organization, John, and he is like Marty Schottenheimer. He
would just clean it up, just over and I would
clean it up. He was like the janitor with a
headset like he Immediately, your special team's got good, your
defense got good, you didn't turn the ball over. Then
Schottenheimer and Chuck Knox and a little bit Sean McDermott
get too the playoffs and they get outworked they get

(09:02):
schemed by a great offensive coach. It can be a
Bill Walsh, whoever it is, And I kind of feel
McDermott is his generations Chuck Knox, great coach, attention to detail,
tough teams are resilient always in the big games. But
Chuck Knox, Marty Schottneimer, you're always like they get a

(09:23):
little conservative in the postseason. And I think that's a
fair criticism of McDermott. But I'll defend him forever. He's
a hell of a coach.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, listen, I've known him since I worked for the Eagles.
You know he's a tightly wound Yeah, very disciplined individual.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I bet if you looked at his breakfast and lunch
orders for the last fifteen years, they have probably been
very similar. But Nick Sabans had the same breakfast for
twenty five years. I mean, these guys, they're very militaristic
with their actions. I do think Sean looks like he's
eased up a little bit. And let's face it, he
made a move what a year and a half ago

(10:01):
that is paid dividends of the Dorsey Joe Brady thing.
I mean, I think the AFC like this Chiefs team.
Now they do get Putchaco back, which is gonna help.
But Kareem Hunt's been good for them. Yeah, just offensively.
The Worthy is one hundred and seventy pound rookie, like
he's gonna be a lot better in a year or
two than he is now. And Travis, let's face it,
like the guy that we saw in those playoffs last year,

(10:23):
which was the Hall of Fame dominant version, I think
it's fair to go, does that guy still have it
in him for this stretch run? Maybe he does, but
maybe he doesn't. And I think health. If the Bills
are healthy on offense, because you add Coleman the rookie,
you add Amari Cooper, if Kncaine's healthy, their running game
clearly is a lot better. I mean that's yes. You've
been hammering this all that balance of their team control

(10:46):
the clock. I mean at one point in time headed
in the fourth quarter, it was basically a one to
one ratio of time and possession. It was like these
two teams were equal, which the Bills couldn't play that style.
I felt like two years ago of what Andy Reid
has morphed himself into because he's had to, like they
said today on the broadcast Kareem Hunt, since he showed up.
The only guy in the league that had more carries

(11:07):
in Kareem Hunt was Dereck Henry. Andy Reid's known for
passing it too much. Right, he brings his old buddy
off the street because he has no choice. That their
passing game, that their offensive line and pass protection is
not great. And the one thing I would say, Mahomes
has some historic runs, like individual runs, but he's not
as like dynamic of a runo right now. And that's

(11:29):
an element. Remember Josh last year in the playoffs was
awesome against the Chiefs today, Like he's given them more
fits as a runner than Lamar has, which is somewhat ironic, right,
I mean that playoff game last year is like Lamar
takeoff run around. The Chiefs are vulnerable that way because
they're dbs. While great cover guys, you know, they're not
exactly you know, Cam Chanceller's back there. Josh runs right

(11:49):
through them.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah. By the way, the Bill's more total yards, first down,
time of possession not necessarily close. By the end of
the game, they came out more aggressive. I think you
know it's I think you started this off by saying
Buffalo does be Kansas City, not in late January and February,
right Like, that's and that's where we judge you. But

(12:10):
if you said to your if you said right now,
in the last five years, who's the best team in
the league, we would all say Kansas City. Who's second best?
We would probably have to say San Francisco and Buffalo.
And by the way, neither has a ring. It's it's
a little Phil Mickelson and Tigers Prime. It's a little
Sacramento Kings in the Lakers, Kobe and Chack. So I

(12:33):
think I kind of felt good the Bill's winning today.
It's like, guys, this is a really great team. They're
the AFC San Francisco. The difference is the one area
they've always been greatest quarterback. There have been other issues
the O line, you know, the secondary and a couple
of these matchups has been banged up. They're receiving cores
a little banged up today, but they go on to win.

(12:54):
And what was I think that?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I think that Amari Cooper moved for them just balances
them out a little too, because it felt like they
had become more run heavy. Yeah, now you know Mari's
you know, battling through a little wrist injury, had an
awesome catch over the top, Shakir the Boise State kids,
awesome over the middle. Coleman's just a big body, red
zone target. Their tight end when healthy is obviously a
good player. And then the josh running like the Bills,

(13:19):
like their offense is pretty complete if everyone's healthy, which
is obviously the big question for any anful team. And
their defense, like you said, well coached, and their past
rushes good.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
How about this, they have good pass rushers. So Brady
dominated Peyton Manning in the early years of their rivalry
and then at the end, and then at the end
Peyton did pretty well. And I kind of feel like,
oh six, it flipped a little bit. It flipped, and
I'm thinking to myself, you know, you start looking at
that you look at that Buffalo roster, and you're like,
their defense isn't as good as Kansas City, but shit,

(13:50):
Buffalo's got weapons. I mean they got number one receivers,
two tight ends, three receivers. I Like, it's like, are
we going to get a little flip of the script.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And this is.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Generally how it works, maybe not in golf. For tennis,
where a Jokovic can dominate. You know, guys get into
their prime. But you know Brady at the end, you
know Peyton at Indy, Peyton goes to Denver, You're like, yeah, yeah,
he's got better players.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I would say the one thing with these AFC teams
probably more than the NFC, though Detroit clearly tough wherever
they're playing, but at home because of the you know,
the Dome. Whoever gets the home field and whoever has
home field, whether even if it's the two to three
matchup in the second round, I mean, these are massive
home field advantages, right Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Buffalo, Like that's

(14:38):
that's the difference, Like you felt it today and honestly
you felt it in that playoff game. I bet on
Buffalo last year in the playoffs because I'm like, this
is a perfect spot for what's halfway through You're feeling good,
you know, in Kansas City, like you said it just
they just went on that Jordan Tiger like run. Like, listen,
you would be crazy to ever bet against Mahomes and Andy.

(14:58):
But Belichick lost to Rex Ryan in a playoff. It
happens he lost to Denver. You don't win it. Everybody Honestly,
it's borerline impossible to win back to back? Aren't they
the first team to do it since the early two thousands?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Nobody, I mean think nobody's ever done it three times.
And I grew up with a Steelers who had like
nine Hall of Famers and eventually the Shula or the Raiders.
Somebody knocks you off. It's the way it works.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Somebody, I mean Walsh in Montana only went back to
back one time. Hell, they only I think ever got
back to back Super Bowls one time.

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Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, this game is fascinating. Pittsburgh eighteen Baltimore sixteen. So Baltimore.
Pittsburgh played a cleaner, more boring game, but the Ravens
had twelve penalties, they lost two fumbles, they made more mistakes,
and once again, God, the Ravens switch identity, so they

(17:31):
were running fifty two percent of the time this year.
Baltimore in this game thirty three passes, just nineteen runs
and the entire game was a one possession game. And
it felt like again, they did this in the playoffs
last year. Baltimore gets pass happy in these big spots
and they I mean, let me look it up here.

(17:52):
Tarrick Henry had sixty five yards. It's like, guys, you
can pass, but your identity is you're slightly run centric,
not run centric, you're run leaning. Today. Did they do
this in a playoff game? I'm like, well, you're within
a possession. It's almost like they panicked a little.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean I actually thought early in
the game, when Tucker had missed multiple field goals and
they fumbled on their first drive and the Steelers were
only up seven to six with a little time remaining
in the first half. I'm like, this is not gonna
be good because they're gonna come alive. But for whatever reason,
Lamar kind of looks like a different player against them.

(18:36):
I mean he has been. He is so much better
I think this year, I mean for that stretch the
last five or six weeks, than he was even last year.
I mean, statistically, he's on a different planet. And then
you're watching them to day, You're like, I don't know,
he's just frenetic. He's now. Obviously, their pass rush is good. TJ.
Watt throws them off even when he's breaking the tackles.
But they were a flawed dominant team because defensively they

(19:02):
really struggled to defend the pass Baltimore. But when their
offense is going to hit the skids to lose to
a team and I get it, this is your Biddle rivalry,
and the statistics of these two teams playing. It's determined
over the course of I think, like the last ten
games by like a plus minus margin of a couple points.
But the Steelers did not score a touchdown and you

(19:23):
guys weren't ever really have a chance, you know, But
like you said, the score, sometimes offensive coordinators get away
from the run, even when if you're watching the game,
you feel one team's in control. But there's a difference
of being in control, like the Detroit Lions today when
they're up thirty five to six, right, you're like, yeah,
and there's a difference of like you're only down twelve
to seven. Here, let's take it.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I mean, Russell had a terrible pick in the end zone.
He could worst.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Pick, worst throw of the day. I'd say that I
saw terrible.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
He was only twenty three or thirty six. Rus Neither
quarterback played well. Russell didn't play well. Najie Harris three
point five yards are run. So now, George Pickens and
Russell Wilson, this is where you really have to credit Russell,
Wilson and Arthur Smith. That thing is a real relationship.
Now it's a top five like combo thing in the league.

(20:15):
Right now, Pickens and Russell Wilson eight catches, eleven and
a half yards of catch like it's a thing. But
Russell didn't. If I'm the Steelers, I'm like, we didn't
play very well. It was Russell's worst game. He had
probably the worst interception he's had in years. We didn't
score a touchdown, but you just said something. There is
something about Lamar. Now is four and twelve against Kansas

(20:38):
City and Pittsburgh, with more turnovers and touchdowns. It's not
that he's losing. It's okay if you lose. He is
a different player against the Chiefs and against the Steelers.
And my takeaway with him is the more you face Lamar,
the easier it gets. This is why he's so dominant
against the NFC. It's almost like, you know, it's like dominates.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I mean, it's not even fair. It's like Superman.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's you know, it's like in a weird way, it's
like facing a knuckleball pitcher, like in his prime, the
late Tim Wakefield. If you never faced a great knuckleball pitcher,
you don't know what the hell it is like. You
just don't. There's like one in the league at any
one time. And then if all of a sudden you
faced a knuckleball pitcher four to five times a year,
you get you get around on it. And I feel
like with Lamar, I remember talking to Tom to LESCo

(21:24):
when he was the Chargers GM and they played him
I was at the game they played him at you
know that soccer stadium and lost. Then they played him
the second time in the playoffs and one, and he
just said he's so much faster in person than he
is on film, Like you can't your players, you play
him and then you're like, okay, okay, we really can't
get away with that. We wondered if we could. So

(21:44):
it's like, listen, Pittsburgh has his number.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Well, I would say over the last couple of years,
going back to last year, most teams a step on
the field with Baltimore are inferior, and there's an intimidation factor. Yes,
and there are definitely two teams. I mean, I mean
that game today had a couple of moments where you
thought you were gonna get like a nineties throwback, like
the brawl on the field, which was it was refreshing. Yeah,
I mean, it was like these teams, you know in

(22:09):
a day and age where everyone's buddies, they all go
on each other's podcast. You're like, this just feels like
the NFL I grew up on, where it's like this,
these two teams hate each other. Pittsburgh is not intimidated
by him at all. Like you said, they understand his speed.
They also like do a pretty good job of corralling him.
I mean, their teams speed is fantastic. TJ. Watson dominant player.

(22:31):
I just think for whatever reason, there is just not
you're gonna you're you're gonna roll us. And I think
the Bills have that against Kansas City, where there's an
intimidation factor of the moment you start warming up and
you see the other color jersey, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
And I really noticed it when Baltimore went for two.
So Lamar Jackson going for two is like feels about
his I mean, honestly, it's it's about as safe a
bet in the league for two.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
And they run that play a lot where he starts
running and he gets in easily. I've seen it ten times.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's insane, and I'm thinking, but Pittsburgh has seen it
so many times. When the ball was snapped that you
could have run a dive play. They didn't care. They
had nine of their eleven players on the edge. They're like,
we know in lateral, we know what you're gonna Donna,
You're gonna go You're not gonna go at us, You're
gonna go to the side and I thought that two
point conversion. I'm like because I kept thinking, oh boy,

(23:25):
they don't even buy the fake. They don't even care
about the fullback on the field. They know it's Lamar
on the edges.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
One concerning thing for Pittsburgh, who obviously is right there
with Buffalo. I mean, the record's fantastic. What are they
eight and two after a day? So you got two
eight and two teams and nine to one team and
that loss to the Raiders now for Baltimore is a
pretty big swing loss because now they got four losses.
When they throw the ball outside the numbers and he
throws the deep, he's good at it right. Russell's comfortable
thrown to Pickens. I would say any rollout to they

(23:55):
have a good connection. But when there has to be
something a little more quick hitting, he held the ball
a couple times and he got sacked. It's like it's
kind of a feast for famine, and against the Ravens,
it's harder to just I think Najee Harris has really
resurrected his career. I think he looks a lot better
this season than he has most of his career. Jalen
Warren's a good player, but you're not just gonna gash

(24:15):
them for one hundred and fifty yards because I mean,
they were I think they are the best statistical run
defense coming in the league, or definitely, I mean this
this week. One of them is you know, Russell can
be had if you can just neutralize their deep passing
game because he's he will hold on to the ball.
And a couple of times he had some bad sacks
where I thought, bro, you got to get rid of this,
and it could have cost him. But they were lucky.

(24:36):
The Ravens just had noe. The Ravens looked off they've had.
It's weird because when you watch them, when they're right
on offense, it looks like one of the greatest offenses
you've ever seen. But in some of these games, it's
just like they got a little like Lsu Brian Kelly
thing going on. You're like, things are just a little
out of whack. Yeah, it's like a ton of good players.
I'd want ninety percent of their roster, But you watch

(24:57):
them today, You're like, and maybe it's Pittsburgh. I've seen
him play inferior teams with being off It's weird.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
You know, it's interesting. Let's I want to go back
to the thing you said about Russell Wilson that that
was the knock that I think Sean Payton really had
on Russell is that Sean would diagram plays that were
over the middle and Russell would hold it and there
would be a sack, and Sean in the offensive line
would be blamed. This was a knock Pete sack four
times a day. Yeah, And that was a knock Pete
Carolyn john Snyder had is that people kept banging on

(25:26):
the Seahawks offensive line and Pete privately, I was told
this for a couple of years, like, hey, those are
those balls are being schemed up, those plays are open.
That's been the knock on Russell Wilson is that he's
very successful deep ball, the lollipop, the rainbow. He's very
good rolling, and he's not a guy that turns the
ball over much. Some of that's it's a little Aaron
Rodgers in his prime. He'd rather take a hit or

(25:48):
a throwaway, throw a pick. So that's not the worst thing.
But when you say that that has been the knock
on him, I know through Sean Payton was he holds
the ball, those are diagram and I think we have
to be honest about this. Sometimes it's a hype thing.
It is he just you know, left tackle six or seven.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I feel like most of Purdy's interceptions are a large
percentage of them are tip balls. And when you're shorter,
I mean sometimes Caleb, what did he do better today?
Get on the move, get outside when you're not six
foot three, it's just basic math. How are you seeing
over guys that are six foot five? The thing with Russell, like,
I think we have to acknowledge. Now Pittsburgh's eight and two,

(26:27):
I would say high percentage they're gonna win the division.
And now it's gonna be like, hey, can they take
on Kansas City and Buffalo and well, both those two
teams have good pass rushes, so can they? And obviously
Spagnola and McDermott are to the top defensive guys. If
they can neutralize some of those lollipop throws, can Russell

(26:47):
pick them apart? Because especially Kansas City, it's gonna be
hard to run it on them. You're not just gonna
be able to probably run for one hundred and forty
yards in a playoff game. You know you play today
like that score? I mean all they kicked the fuel goals.
They didn't score a touchdown? Right, So could you beat
Buffalo because that's where now Pittsburgh separated of Like you're
eight and two? Can you beat those teams? I would

(27:09):
still have reservation? Yes, Now could Your defense would just
have to have one of those games where they pick
Allen or pick a yes, two or three times, maybe
a strip sack. But I don't know if that offense
that we witnessed today can beat those two teams without
being a little more like you said, I mean explosive
over the middle of the field, which is not his thing.
He doesn't do it. It's not his style of offense.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
All right, Let's move to Packers blocking a kick to
win out played by the Bears twenty to nineteen. Packers
beat the Bears. They've now won eleven straight for Chicago.
Part of that is good. Good franchises win games they shouldn't.
Bad franchises lose games they should win. The Bears dominate
time of possession thirty six minutes to twenty three. They're

(27:52):
great on third down. Caleb Williams nine rushes twenty three
to thirty one, played pretty well, one hundred and eighty
yards rushing and they lost. My takeaway in this game though,
even though they lost and there were those that defended
Shane Waldron, two things the Bear just did today that
they didn't do with Shane Waldron. They got the ball

(28:13):
out really quick, and they got Caleb layups. They schemed layups.
I've said this, Sean Payton does this to bow Nicks.
He gets seven completions to ten completions a Sunday that
are just let's get him going okay, and then and
then bowl will complete another eighteen or sixteen. But he
gets some ten, he gets some easy rollout stuff. They

(28:36):
were not doing this. I mean, you and I were
banging on this for a month. I thought the Bears
quick layups, get a rhythm. I thought they did a
really good job forget the score for a second in
the outcome. I did think Chicago's offense looked a little dynamic.
It looked like, oh, that's how you should play a
young quarterback.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, I mean I thought it was a big, big
step forward for Caleb. Yeah. Was had one of the
shittier three week stretches you're gonna see. Listen, you should
throw a quick screen to Dj Moore minimum on once
a quarter down and they started doing that. It's like, yeah,
novel concept. Yeah, you know, a guy that can break tackles,
is physical, you know, getting a guy on the move.

(29:18):
What were they saying basketball? Right when your shots not falling,
get to the rim, get foul, get some easy stuff,
get some get a layup, or get get some free
throws to get your rhythm back, and you get him
some easy layups. What did that bring out? That brought
out the kleb that everyone had the hype on, because
the guy we have seen the last couple of weeks,
it's like, where's his confidence? Why is he just sitting
in the pocket? Become a playmaker? And today I wrote

(29:41):
down this. He started making plays. Yeah, with his legs,
not even just running, but running to throw, which is
a huge element of his game. He's not He's never
gonna sit in the pocket like Jared Goff or Peyton
Manning or Philip rip That's not gonna be his game.
His game is going to be playmaking on the move
using his arm. And whatever they did, they look dramatically better.

(30:04):
I mean they he looked like a player. I mean
I was starting to get a little worried. Same say
and sometimes in football, clearly coaching whatever they were telling him,
whether they were just like getting in his head and
he was playing almost too conservative because that's what it
felt like, and it started snowballing the wrong way. You went, oh,
I see you watch him and Jordan Love on the

(30:24):
same field at the same time, Like, Okay, this guy
can be a really good player. I don't know the
hype ever be like the top player in the league,
but like, this guy could be a top ten quarterback. Yeah, right,
but his style is going to be specific to moving
around and if you just ask him three to five
step drop in the pocket all day long, it's not
gonna be his style of offense. And today, honestly it's

(30:46):
you're firing your coach, like you're not making the playoffs anyway,
I would say at the end of the day, like
that sucks to be a Bears fan. That individual moment,
but big picture in a couple of years, help your
draft pick. I mean, it's what was this actually going
to do if you want to lose? It was obviously
a huge moment for the Packers. I mean, that's a
huge swing game, but it's not the end of the

(31:08):
world that you got the field goal block.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
It's interesting off of By now, the Packers averaged almost,
you know, eight and a half yards play, so they're
an explosive offense, no question. But it is pretty clear.
You watch Buffalo in Kansas City, you watch Detroit. I
no longer classify San Francisco. We'll get to this in
a minute or two. But I mean there are three
or three teams in this league that just are different.
And I think Buffalo, Kansas City, and Detroit right now

(31:31):
they just look different than everybody else. Baltimore can, but
in big spots they don't live up to it. But
I think Green Bay feels like they're a year away.
They're still young, you know. I like Jordan Love a lot.
He was thirteen to seventeen touchdown pick off of Bye.
He was Okay, I think you're gonna my take on
Jordan Love. He's always been more far than Rogers. He's

(31:54):
just more reckless. He is also more dynamic. But I
think you're going to have to live with someone. Jordan
loves mistakes because he's becoming what he was in college.
If you just watched two minutes of his best on YouTube,
you're like, this is one of the best players I've
ever seen. But when I look at Jordan Love, I'm
like he he goes off script a lot, and I

(32:15):
think Matt Lafleur allows it and knows what he has.
But I think, as a Packer fan, like FARV. He's
not FARV obviously, but he has some FARV. There's some
FARV in him, and I understand why they picked him.
They moved up, they liked him. But when I watch him,
do you ever feel with him he's going to drive
Packer fans crazy?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah? I mean he had an awful pick today where
it sailed on him in the red zone. Yes, bad, bad,
you know Rogers. For most of his career with McCarthy,
one knock was always like the run game sucked and
beside like a little moment with Eddie Lacy, they did
not have a great running game for most of his prime.
But it didn't matter, right, I mean, he was rattling
off MVPs. This guy's going to be more dependent on

(32:54):
a back, partly because it just helps any young quarterback
and partly because it takes a little prey off, like
we don't really want you throwing it forty times in
all these games because you are liable to make a miss. Yes,
where Aaron Rodgers could just turn in like I can.
I'll throw it forty seven times a day and I
won't DV won't touch a ball that will never be
this player. But they're wide receiver room. I mean, when

(33:15):
Watson's hamstring's healthy, how good is that guy? You know?
The Tucker's good, I mean they are. I thought, for
the most part, he's pretty good today, like I thought
you had a pretty same He's also just been banged up,
and maybe that's just going to be something that follows
his career.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
The way he plays, That's what I thought. When I
watched the game plan today. I thought Chicago came out aggressive, smart,
Caleb quick, get rid of the ball. I really was
watching them Bears all day. I thought the Bears are
the better team almost most of the day. I do
think there's something to be said about the Chiefs. A
couple of weeks ago against Denver, the Packers blocking the kick.
This is what coaching and execution do. You see these
little moments in games, and I think that's coaching and execution.

(33:54):
It's not luck. But I felt with Green Bay watching
him today, it was Chicago's it was it was really
an urgent performance needed by Chicago. I mean, like you said,
it was kind of like man overboard. If they came
out and looked like shit today, you'd be like, we
got real problems. And I thought, and you could sense
that in the game. You to me. When I watched

(34:15):
the game, I felt there was a sense of absolute
urgency by Chicago.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah. I mean I think, you know, you get to
this level. It's a public job, but I think any
human can relate, Like when your back's really against the wall, Yeah,
you really got two options. You can either fold and
melt or kind of just drop your nuts and you know,
start swinging back. And that's I honestly that's what they
did today. Because I would say this week people started
questioning literally everything before I was like, oh, the coaching,

(34:43):
It's like, well, do you guys think Caleb sucks your defense?
You guys just quit? Hey, wide receivers, are you just
over it? And it's this game. You know, if this
was in Green Bay, I would have a little more
I was. I understand they're coming off a bye, but
this is on a road game in Chicago. They're basically
fighting for their or respectability. Like they're not fighting for
the playoffs or anything. But they got a lot of

(35:04):
high priced guys. Yeah right, he now makes a lot.
DJ Moore makes a lot. DJ Moore start getting called
out like are you just quitting on Caleb? And to me,
I thought Dj Moore and Caleb uh just showed a
lot of like competitive fight today. I thought Caleb honestly
showed a lot of fight because I was not man
overboard on them, but I was like, I would take
Drake May, I would take j B Neck like this guy,

(35:26):
this guy might like got bust territory.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, meantimes.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Okay, maybe Shane Waldron just stinks.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, Well, the Bears had more total yards, they were
better on third and fourth down, dominated time of possession.
So when you watch the game today, sometimes the better team,
at least on a Sunday loses, and I thought Chicago today,
my feeling was they were more aggressive, they dominate time
of possession. It's you know, we'd say this about once
a month a team loses a game and you're like
that kind of almost felt like a win big picture.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
What happened. It happened to Denver last week, same scenario. Yeah,
play them, you had a feel goal to win it,
it gets blocked, but you feel good. Now. The difference
is like Denver than immediately parlayed that in the day,
Chicago this might be like this is just kind of over.
You know, Denver still had a lot to play for.
But I think if Chicago's record was just maybe a

(36:14):
game or two better, yeah, I think they could parlay
this into some momentum where it's like, I don't necessarily
know how I feel about them moving forward, though, I
would say if Caleb plays like this as a playmaker,
scrambling around, they become a much more potent opponent to
the Lions and the Vikings and the good teams. And
they play the forty nine ers like they're not a

(36:34):
lock to lose all these games. If they're going to
play like that today with the.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Offense, time to look at this weekend's Tasius matchup Sunday
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I don't want to talk about Aaron Rodgers, but Colts
twenty eight Jets twenty seven. So Anthony Richardson came out

(36:57):
and again there was a time in a mayor you
could bench a quarterback and it was not a headline story.
They bench him for a couple of games. He comes back.
I thought he was very self aware. Today, twenty of
thirty Anthony Richards in two hundred and seventy two yards,
ten rushes. Again, Colts dominate time of possession. I thought
Anthony great first and at eight almost double the first

(37:19):
down the Jets did. So let's just start with this
before we go to Aaron Rodgers. I honestly thought you
saw a little Shane Steichen, you saw a more mature quarterback.
He made a couple of big seam throws today he
made some really nice throws and again he was benched.
It was appropriate. They gave Joe Flacco, you know, a run.

(37:41):
Joe looks kind of washed. But I've been saying this
for a week. I liked the Colts personnel. They're one
of those most of the time I look at a
team and I think, you know, there's something I like,
something I don't like. It's not that I don't like
Anthony Richards. And because I watched today and I thought, yeah,
he's the more dynamic of the two quarterbacks. He's the
our quarterback on the field today. There's a question of

(38:02):
it not even close. But my take is the benching
people freak out, but it happens. It happens in high school,
college and the pros we get very sensitive now that
we don't. But the kid is small town kid. One
starting year at Florida hurt a lot of last year.
I watched that game and I thought, well, if this

(38:24):
is what I get with, Anthony Richards said I could
live with that. You could wait games with that.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You know. I think that that moment when he tapped
his head was so polarizing, and then he made it worse.
I think with his comments after the game, and clearly
the teammates they had no choice but to Benjamin. I
did think his comments this week of saying like, this
is my job, but I have to play well or
I will get yanked again showed a little self awareness. Yes,
and there were some articles that I think they had.

(38:50):
You know, Kenny Moore said, this captain sat down with them, listen.
This is some humans need guidance just because they played
the quarterback position, not defensive line, any other position and
it wouldn't be that weird. There were moments today. There
was a fumble caused on on a blitz by Anthony
Rigson led to a Jets touchdown that I thought it
kind of started to unravel on the on the Colts,

(39:12):
I would say three weeks ago. The Colts lose that
game and fall apart. On the game winning drive, Richardson
hits a play down the sideline. Yes, it's like he
didn't melt. That's right, And I just wonder sometimes you
get to take a deep breath the other thing, if
you get it. I don't know if you saw it,
but on the Colts posted out after in the locker
room as he's walking in all every guy in the

(39:33):
locker room screaming, chanting his name, screaming, framed it. So
I think there was and he and he like, no, no, no, listen.
Sometimes as a young player, it's really difficult. He made
an awful decision and he paid a price for he
was benched, and then today he came out and let's
fake it. I mean the Jets stink, Yeah, I mean
the Jets stink. But obviously he had some great moments.

(39:54):
He had an awesome touchdown, he had a couple, he
had some great throws, but he also had some disastrous
fumble He lost one of them. And he didn't just
melt and go into the tank. So I think from
a maturity standpoint, like there's there's no disputing there's a
ton to work with there. Like he's never gonna be
Drew Brees or Steve No, somebody is right.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
No, but boy, you go you get.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
But can he play some version of Cam Newton Josh
Allen just running guys over, making some big plays like yeah,
I mean he shows it when he's playing well.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, I mean in the red zone. He's a handful dude.
He is a he's just a big guy.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well because the difference like that Lamar two point play.
Lamar is not gonna run guys over. Yeah, but he's
gonna beat you with speed Anthony Richards and he gets
you one on one like Cam back in the day,
you are going backwards. Yeah, he's winning. Josh does it
all the time. Yeah. And then the other guy. You know,
one thing I wrote down today because I was like,
you know, he's not even a top fifteen quarterback. And
then I started doing I was like Aaron Rodgers not

(40:50):
even a top twenty five quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Listen, because I think the only.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Quarterbacks today did you watch you went that team, like
Will Levis. I mean, it's a short list of teams
that like, yeah, we'd take Aeron over all. Again, No,
I mean it's a very short list.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
And Aaron's twenty to twenty nine, and you think, oh,
he plays pretty well, doesn't really throw the ball down
the field a lot. All it's Derek Carr. I mean
even the Saints pulled Derek Car for Taysom Hill to
be more dynamic. I mean, Aaron his winning percentage of
the Jets is twenty seven percent. Sam Donalder Sam Donald

(41:25):
was thirty four percent, Zach Wilson was thirty six percent. So,
because I've been so critical of Aaron through the years,
anytime I said this a month ago, I said, guys,
not the coaching. Slaw is your best coach. This is
a big mistake. It's not the coaching, it's not the
young players. DeVante Adams is not worth half a point.
I mean, I I farv was eight and three with
the Jets left and had one of the great years.

(41:50):
Remember he was like thirty three touchdowns, eight picks or
something in Minnesota. Insane, incredible, one of the best years.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I mean, he's a bad He's a bad interception across
his body from them going.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
To superaw Aaron's three and eight and looks like an
old man. And we look at Farb's tenure in New
York and thinks what a shit show. No No. I
talked to Eric Mangini about this. Like Brett was eight
and three, he brought a huge energy to New York
and had a lot left in the tank. Aaron has

(42:21):
never been known as the hardest worker in the off season.
He just hasn't been. He has a little like a
little like Cam and that he was given God given
talent and wasn't known as a grinder. You know. I mean,
like Cam would joke that he sat and ate pretzels
during film movies. I put on twenty five pound pretzel. Wait,

(42:42):
Aaron doesn't do that. But Aaron is not a grinder
in the off season. And you know, I was thinking
about this today. I wrote it down. John. You can
tell how hard somebody works by how they age. I
don't need to see Lebron James off seasons or Kobe Bryant's.
I can see how gracefully and slowly they aged. I

(43:04):
can look at Big Ben and go he had fun
in the offseason. Like he had a good time. I
can look at Cam now I look at Aaron and
I'm like John, he's aging really really fast, and I
think a lot of it is God gave him talent,
he cultivated it. He deserves credit. But you go to

(43:25):
that last year in Green Bay where he was off
go the year before that MVP, what was that twenty
twenty one wasn't that long ago?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
There was a throw today over the middle early in
that game where Garrett Wilson was open and he threw
it way behind him. I mean, this guy was like,
you know, a Navy seal sniper in terms of accuracy,
because like Peyton Mann or Tom Brady. I guess Tom
had a good arm. But like the Peyton types, you know,
Philip Rivers, guys that Matt Rye hung their hat on accuracy,

(43:55):
Aaron was just as accurate. But he threw ten miles
an hour faster, right, so he could wait till the
last second. And now he's not accurate inside the pocket
like he once was. The movement, you know, part of
his game. I would say the last couple of years.
I guess we didn't really get a chance to see
him last year, but that last year in Greenback, he
wasn't as dynamic and his accurate accuracy didn't quite feel

(44:17):
as great as it was in the MVP year. And clearly,
you know, when you get thirty nine, thirty forty years old,
you're not gonna be as fast as you were thirty three.
So he was never gonna be as fast. But the
Achilles thing, I don't see how we could even debate
like it is if he was a video game and
his speed before, Like if Lamar's a ten out of ten,
you know, Aaron's like a seven or an eight, you

(44:38):
know in his heyday. Yeah, he's like a three right now. Yeah,
he can't move, but his whole game his like Jared
Goff can't run. Let's use Cousins a good example. I
know they had a shitty game today. Cousins kind of
unfazed by the Achilles because he never left a two
or three yard radius. Yeah, Aaron Rodd half of his
game was at any moment's notice, I'll take off, keep

(44:59):
a play alive that is dead. And clearly his accuracy
for whatever reason, maybe he's just aged, like you said,
Drew Brees and Roethlisberger felt like those guys started losing
his arm. I still feel like Rogers is pretty good power,
but I don't think he knows where it's going as much.
And maybe that gets back to fundamentals. Well, what is

(45:19):
the thing that Brady All the guys had to dominate
Cousins Jared Goff, They had to be great at fundamentals
because they couldn't move. And Rogers' fundamentals never really matters.
Why he threw off his back of his foot most
of his career, but he was so accurate. Well now
the back of the foot. He's not accurate when his
feet are planted, let alone kind of freelancing inside the bunk.
I just think he's just shot. He's a shot fire. Listen,

(45:43):
Mike Tyson's fifty eight years old, but he's got Mike
Tyson vibes of like I'm watching a completely different human
being than I've watched in fifteen.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Well, and you never got you know, let's be honest,
you never but thereon there were some things. Somebody once
said this to me years ago, a coach in the NFL.
He's like, he's Jay Cutler, but he can play. You
never got the best locker room guy. You got kind
of a self serving guy. You never got the most
dedicated off season guy. He was always even in his
prime in Green Bay, you know, the passive, aggressive shots

(46:12):
on Milwaukee radio, you know, where he didn't like stuff.
So there were stuff you always dealt with with Aaron that,
you know, Brady just swallowed it for the team. Brady
and Belichick. Stro you didn't hear anything until you saw
that documentary that Gotham Chopra did where Tom finally was.
You know, he was just where I think Giselle said,
he just wants to be respected, like Tom kept that

(46:34):
to himself for twenty years. Aaron. Lets you know, I
mean he once he got the big contract, so now
I don't get the talent. Well, you never got the intangibles.
Dak Prescott gives you intangibles, but the tangibles aren't much. Well, Aaron,
the tangibles were through the roof, but the intangibles were
never perfect.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah. You know what's funny is you know, I think
he made some comments this week about coming back and
there are many industries that pay thirty five to forty
million dollars huh, which he's probably well aware of. They
aren't football. But he feels like a guy that you know,
if he was a PGA Tour golfer that shot under
par and now he's struggling to break ninety, Like, how
would he come back if this is what he's playing

(47:13):
Like he can't move, so he's a sitting duck. You know,
the organization even if they hire some new coach and
he doesn't want Rogers, It's not like Rogers has some market.
What teams even trade.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
For John John If we had last year's quarterback draft class,
the Jets would move on. We don't. We have Shador Sanders,
who the Giants will probably get, and we've got cam
Ward who's a big risk because he plays a lot
of off platform and he's kind of there's a lot
of backyard stuff. I think if it's a big quarter
if you had the class that had Burrow and Herbert

(47:43):
and Tua and Hurts, they draft a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
But my thing is, yeah, I mean this quarterback class
is everyone in the NFL thinks.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Sustaining it's weaker by the week.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
But do you think in the listen, I understands a
lot of money. He's made so much money, he's got
want to do this again, Like this is and it's hard,
Like Peyton Manning couldn't throw, and the only reason he
quit is because people wouldn't sign him. You know, Roethlisberger
and Drew Brees, they just their arms betrayed them. This
guy's lower bodies betraying. Yeah, right to me, that's and

(48:16):
it's just you know, you're sitting duck. What happened to
Tom that last year? He didn't want no part of
getting hit hard to blame forty five years old. You know,
Roger's forty one years old. He's gonna want to keep
getting peppered when he knows that I can't run away.
And my game's never been like, you know, one thing.
Tom and Peyton were always good as like hitting the
ground because they always had to get used to that.
Aaron's kind of uncomfortable, you know, because even now he'll

(48:39):
kind of do a scramble and he's like, oh fuck,
I can't move and this's get taken out. And every
time he starts to scramble left or right and you
see a guy turning that corner, you're like, he's gonna
get caught immediately. And it's just really discombobulating his game
because he's never had to worry about that because he's
always been able to get out outside the tackle box,
keep it play alive and throw a strike. And now
that's completely dead, which, of course, he's forty years old

(49:02):
coming off an Achilles injury. Twenty years ago. Aaron Rodgers'
career would have ended that night, right at thirty nine
years old torn Achilles. Yeah, in nineteen ninety three, his
career ends. So it's just it's a testament to like
modern day medicine. But I don't care how good the
doctor was in his rehab of dolphins or whatever the
hell he was doing. He is he's not even half

(49:23):
the player that he once was.

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is easy, all right. This game's a corner TV game
for a lot of people, But you have so much
insight to the Niners Seattle Gino Smith runs it in
with twelve seconds left. San Francisco loses to the Seahawks
twenty seventeen. Juwan Jennings that third quarter drive was huge.

(50:54):
He's such a you can tell. The players just love him,
the fans love him. Great player, But San Francisco is
now five and five. Arizona looks more dynamic offensively. The
Rams look like they're much better defensively with all those
young defensive players Seattle. I like Seattle's roster. I think
they're a quarterback away from like being really really interesting. Well,

(51:18):
I wrote this down during the game. The Niners had
another iffy special team's day, John. They just don't feel special.
They don't feel like Philly, Detroit. They don't feel like Baltimore,
Kansas City, Buffalo. They feel much closer to Houston and
not quite as good at quarterback. I mean, I I

(51:40):
that's what I wrote on my sheet twice. First hat.
They just don't feel special.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think Colin. They don't feel like
a playoff team. I think today the playoffs, say Cyanara,
because they've lost three divisional games. They've lost, They're one
and three. They've lost all three teams.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
John listened to this. They have the second worst scoring
defense in the final two minutes of the second half
in the league. And they brought Christian McCaffrey back. He's
got no TV's in two games, so there's limit. Is
the offensive line an issue to you.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, I mean they're right tackle stinks and they're huge
on drafting skill guys over offensive lineman. Kyle and their
offensive line coach have said as much over the last
six months. They draft for Ricky Piersoll in the first round.
Who I like Ricky Piersoll A lot offensive linemen there
when your offensive line. Trent Williams one of the greatest
players of all time. Last time I checked his like
thirty six years old. I thought today was on Kyle.

(52:36):
He challenged two plays in the second half, failed on him,
both when it was pretty clear, like yeah, let's not
getting overturned. And then they had the ball with an
opportunity to basically ice them out and not give the
ball back to Seattle. Seattle is all three timeouts, so
they run the ball, they get stuffed, call timeout second
and nine or whatever. Okay, they went for the kill
shot and he run Juwan Jennings looks like Terrell Owens

(52:58):
meets Jerry Rice out there today, and he runs a
play to ice the game to Deebo Samuel, who does
not quite look like himself right now, looks slow, not
even remotely close to being open, pretty airmails it over
his head. Thank god, it might have got picked. And
then they just had to punt and the obviously, Gino
drives him right down the field. The other thing is,

(53:18):
you know Kittled Today, who's having a fantastic season, He's
an older player, he's banged up, can't play hamstring. Bosa,
who's probably their best playing dealing with his hip. Pointer
can barely stay on the field. You can see him
grimacing like he's in a lot of pain. I mean,
this is just a devastating, tragic event. But Tarvarius Ward's
daughter passes away. He's gone, like they're missing a ton

(53:40):
of top players. Are us on the couch with his
leg up like you just can't overcome, Like you're talking,
there's a lot of money worth a player. Colin and
Kyle then has a little bit of an off day
and it just snowballs in their division. Now, Like one
thing you'd say about the NFC, well that's pretty competitive.
You know, Seattle's your worst team and technically the Niners
are Now that's a pretty good worst team.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah. No, I mean listen, I said, this.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Is m screwed. It's over. They play their next two
games with the Packers and the Bills on the road. Yeah,
they're not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, And I think these windows in a sport that
has it's like a like hockey, you've got a regulated
level of violence. Guys, older players get hurt. One of
the things one of my big predictions this year was
San Francisco. I felt last year peaked and they would
you would see a slow regression, and I think you're
seeing it. I don't think they're special defensively. I don't

(54:28):
really blame it on brock Purty. I think I think
if I was John Lynch, I would have attacked the
offensive line. It was a good year for tackles, you know.
I mean, by the way, Jim Harbaugh could have chosen,
you know, the receiver from LSU, Brian Thomas. He went
Joe Alt and you can see the benefits already. Joe Alt,
by the way, has had a tremendous rookie year pass
blocking for the Chargers. So I think this is one

(54:50):
of those It's one of those things where a lot
of time stuff surprises us in the NFL. I think
if you were totally honest and not a Niner guy,
if you were you know, like what you and I
do for a liv, you could kind of see it.
Last year, they just felt like older players get hurt
more often and they're out longer, and then McCaffrey comes
back and it doesn't feel the same.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Well, what's the difference this year? I mean last year
and really the last couple of years. These games where
they are dominating the other opponent statistically, they end up
winning by fifteen to twenty points Seattle, the Rams, and
the Cardinals, and this year they lose them all. They
lose all three games, and at the end of the
year it's not you know, they're gonna end up eight

(55:31):
ish wins, but that's the difference between being eight or
eleven and twelve, and it's because the depth of their
roster isn't is good. The other thing that is coming
back to bite them a little bit, and it ultimately
didn't impact in the last couple of years because they
had Purdy and Jimmy g the Trey Lance trade that
was three years worth a first round pick. Yeah, that
was the Trey Lance pick. They used him. He gave
them nothing four games and then the next two years

(55:53):
of picks. So even if you're drafting thirty one, you know,
look at all the years of Kansas City or Baltimore,
or you trade back in the second round. You just
add players. They added nothing because those picks disappeared, so
their depth. Some of their older players are injured, but
they're missing a couple of players that they would have
had if they had not made that trade. That didn't
sink them because they found pretty but I think you

(56:15):
felt it this year with some of their injuries.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, as you talked about their schedule, I just looked
it up. They have the fourth hardest remaining schedule at
green Bay at Buffalo, Chicago, Rams at Miami Detroit at
Cardinals and that at Arizona game. Is that's tough.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
There are tough this is you know, we'll see Arizona.
I mean, that guy's doing an incredible job. It's like,
who would you pick right now to win the division?
I guess I would lean the Rams. I mean Geno,
he had an awful pick. I can't I can't trust him.
He can have drives where he looks like a top
ten quarterback, and then he can have drives where he
looks like you know, Will Levis Arizona. Like, I think

(56:52):
they're overachieving so much on defense. You know the Rams.
When Stafford plays Rio, it's like they're hard. The crazy
part about the Rams it's coming into today. The last
two weeks they'd only scored one offensive touchdown, and even
to day, you're like, how they feel a little off,
And then it switched and he threw had like I
think four touchdowns and nine completions or something, and you're like, oh,
they get their mojo back. Now it's the Patriots. But

(57:16):
you could argue it's between those two teams because I
think the Niners are done in Seattle, it's just hard
to trust the quarterback, so Arizona or the Rams, And honestly,
this might be a division where you only get one
team in because I don't think nine and eight's getting
you the wild card. Because Minnesota won today, the Packers
won the day, So both those two teams are gonna

(57:37):
have I would say eleven plus wins. The Lions are
gonna win thirteen, and Atlanta's in because they won the division.
And you know, you look at Washington schedule like they're
probably at minimum getting to ten and the Eagles will
probably get what twelve thirteen win team, So the NFC
West probably only getting their division winner into the playoffs.

(57:59):
If I was a betting man right now, I would
say it's a one Playoff Division. I guess I would
lean the Rams. But the Cardinals, shit, I mean, they're
very tough out if the quarterback's gonna play well.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
All right. If I was going to name, let's talk
Denver Broncos thirty eight route the Atlanta Falcons. Kirk Cousins
had a bad day six thirty eight to six. So
if I was voting coach of the year, Mike Tomlin
would win. My coach of the year. Sean Payton would
be second. And Shawn has texted me about four times
this year, and I'm not going to get into everything
he said, but he text me again this week and

(58:32):
he said, I'm telling you, this kid's got a much
better arm than all the analysts, said Colin. He can
really sling it well today. Fourth game is a rookie
and this is a thin roster that's in cap hell
scarce scarcity of draft picks last year. In this year,

(58:53):
fourth game of seventy plus completion percentage two TD's no picks.
That ties the greatest in the modern ear Only one
other rookie quarterback has done that. Bow knicks today, John
he seven yards per play Denver's offense. Again, this is
a five win team. They're twenty eight and thirty three.
Bow Knicks was today four touchdowns, no picks, and I

(59:16):
want to go back. He outplayed Mahomes last week. Is
that nobody is talking about bow Knicks. But if this continues,
it will not be Jaden Daniels who appears to have
hit a ceiling right like we've seen him now in
the bigger games. Bow Knicks. If you look at their schedule,
it's not easy. There was one point in the third

(59:38):
quarter I looked up he was seventeen to nineteen. That's
an NFL game, Like, what in the hell the kid is?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
He is?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
First of all, he is way more athletic than anybody
wants to admit. And I watched his arm today because
Shaun had texted me and said, I think his arm
is better than people think. He made a couple of
throws today. And by the way, Aaron Rodgers' arm got
stronger from Cal to the NFL. It happens.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
These guys are Brady's arm got definitely got strong.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
There's no question. I watched bone next today. I'm like,
that's not only a franchise quarterback, that's a top twelve
quarterback in the league. Potentially for the next decade.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
I thought the best throw so far of like his
young career was the fourth touchdown where he scrambled and
threw it across his body and you're like, God, that
looks like Mahomes or Afford. You're letting it rip like that.
And this is where coaching is so key. You know
what is what did Oregon do a lot with him?
Run those quick screens? Well, Sean Payton got two touchdowns
off that today in the first one hit and they

(01:00:37):
went to the red zone. Ran it essentially, I mean
it was a little different play, but essentially the same thing.
Like that's coaching, do what he's good at. Because what
do we talk about with Russell Wilson. Get the ball
out of your hand fast. That's actually not an easy pass.
You know it's in your hand off right away. Sometimes
you don't even get to grip the laces. And I
had a buddy text me, He's like, I put a
decent amount on him at fourteen to one to win

(01:00:58):
the Rookie of the Year. I'm feeling pretty good. I'm like, well,
Caleb's out of it. And if Jayden keeps trending like
this like this, this team's winning ten games. They still
got the Raiders, that they still got the Panthers. The schedule,
the last game is the Chiefs. Who knows, maybe the Chiefs,
you know, don't need to play for that game. Maybe
they had the one seed wrapped up. Their defense is good.
The team's just good. I mean today was That's what

(01:01:21):
we talked about earlier with Caleb, where you could have
a bad loss and parlay that. But Denver, deep down,
like unlike the Bears, they didn't think their season was over.
Denver's like, shit, we are right there, and they came
to day. They beat the living crap out of Atlanta
today and listen, Atlanta's got one and done written all
over in the playoffs. But that was if the quarterback

(01:01:42):
is going to be a fishing like that, Because I
was with you, I looked up and it said seventeen
of nineteen, I'm like, this is Jared Goff two point
zero going right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
But the running back, you know, if they can run
the ball and their defense plays like this, who is
going to want to play in the playoffs. Jim Harbaugh
and Sean Payton in round one and I both of
them are going to be on the road. You know,
probably the sixth and seven seed. But you talked about
playing two coaches with good defenses on the road good luck. Yeah,
is it really shock you were recording this before the

(01:02:10):
Charger game, but Charger of playoff team?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Did you look at some of these teams like, oh, yeah,
the two coaches making a combined you know, thirty five
million dollars resurrected the franchises? No, I mean it's this league.
Isn't that complicated? Now? Both of them, you know, Jim
got Herbert and obviously Sean picked a quarterback. I think Sean,
you know, it can rub some people around the lead way,
but he believed in the guy when let's face it,

(01:02:33):
a lot of people did not a lot of scouts. Yeah,
Dank and Dunk guys. He's thirty years old and you
watch him, you're like, and this what Oregon people say.
If you just take out the quick screens, watch him
move around. Like his statistics at Oregon were just pretty insane.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Also, he had multiple I think between Auburn and Oregon
he had five different offensive coordinators. He did and so
and Shawn's demanding. I mean, Sean, I mean, remember how
much Russell Wilson and Russell's a smart guy. Remember how
much trouble Russell had where Shawn's like, dude, you have
to take a wristband out there. You're you're you're. Remember

(01:03:08):
that was a big bone of contention, like Russell wasn't
getting the plays off fast enough, and so like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Well, how about two weeks ago when he snapped on
on bo Nicks and bo Nicks snapped back, and then
after he's like, I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, So, I mean, obviously Sean's system is not easy.
I mean, Drew Brees comes on my show, He's on
my show tomorrow and FS one on Monday, and Shawn
has said, I mean Drew has said, like his it's hard,
Like Shawn's demanding, he will snap. And I don't think
a lot of these I'm just telling you without giving

(01:03:39):
up everything he said, Sean has he right after they
drafted him, he said, we got a guy. And about
every three weeks Seanald texted me. He did this week
and this week he said, boy, his arm, it's really
he is snapping stuff off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
It has to be. I mean, assuming that you know
coach Ree, He's gonna keep coaching. I don't you know
this guy loves football more than any human alive. As
long as he's healthy, going to coach for a while.
How many times in NFL history have we seen, especially
if they coach against each other's to say, for like
a five year stretch, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, and Jim Harbaugh, Like,
good luck, Mark Davis, go get him that division with

(01:04:20):
those three guys. I mean these are I mean, Andy's
a first ballot Hall of Famer. I mean, I'm pretty
confident if Jim Harbaugh can keep Herbert healthy and they draft,
they got a decent chance to win a Super Bowl
these next five years. And Denver, I mean probably gonna
be a playoff team moving forward. I mean you're talking
about Hall of Fame coaches like great coaches. I mean,

(01:04:40):
Harbaugh has a chance to go as like one of
the true great coaches of all time. How many guys
can go back and forth like that. Andy's easily established himself.
I mean, when it's all said and done, like in
the history of the league, is Andy a top three
or four coach? Ever? Yes, I mean Sean Payton resurrected
the Saints in one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Se they were the worst team in the league. He
went I think he won eleven games this first year
with them, or ten games, and he may have gotten
to a conference championship the first year and lost I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Think one thing, and you saw you know at the
end of Shawn's run Drew Brees. Ultimately it wasn't as
good anymore. But their defense was awesome, Harbaugh. Their defense
is always awesome. The majority of Andy Reid's career has
been Jim Johnson and Spagnola offensive coaches that placed a
premium on defense. And this is why, like Kyle and
McVeigh have had so much success. They're offensive guys, but

(01:05:33):
they have no problem in spending there, investing in there,
drafting there, because it makes your job easier. Like it's
a lot easier to win the day when you're Sean Payton,
even though your quarterbacks having one of the best games
of the season, when the other team scored six points,
you could have the shittiest offensive performance of the year
and win that thing nine to six. So offensive coaches
that place a premium on defense have always been the

(01:05:56):
type guy that I like.

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So I want to spend some time on Mike Tyson
and Jake Paul. So, first of all, you know, the

(01:06:46):
production wasn't great. Obviously, it was kind of a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Showtime Sports did some great work. It doesn't exist. HBO
Sports did similarly great work, both led by boxing. It
doesn't exist. Boxing is not a foundational piece to build
in the modern era a sports department. That's why NBC
Sports had boxing bailed. Fox Sports had some boxing bailed.

(01:07:12):
ESPN had it bailed. It's just too quirky and weird
and increasingly like the clickbait, you know, the these kind
of fights Jake Paul against Tyson, it's what gets people,
you know, to the streaming platform. But it was interesting.
I was watching this fight and I was thinking, what
Jake Paul's done is create a business model, which is

(01:07:33):
I'm going to fight big name guys. You know Tommy
f Fury junior, you know Nate Robinson. At the time
was like amazing two sport athlete Mike Tyson, and then
immediately after the fight, like the next day, he's like
Connor McGregor, and I thought, it's really a business model.
I'm going to fight older guys way past their prime,

(01:07:56):
big name guys. If I lose, I make forty million dollars.
What do I care. He's not all Lee, he didn't
have a legacy to live up to. It's a business model,
old huge names, even Fury's kid. Fury's the heavyweight chat,
let's go after his kid the only fight he's ever lost.
And that was my first takeaway. The second takeaway is

(01:08:18):
July twentieth. I mean Mike tisnerbles died. He had like
a blood transfusion and it's like liver something. And when
you watch the fight, by the end of the third round,
Mike had no legs. It's like you think, to yourself,
well it's November. It was July. He almost died, and
so in the end, Mike probably should have fought in March.

(01:08:40):
But you know, I mean for you know, Mike probably
wanted to fight. You feel good. When I had a
pulmonary embolism, I'll never forget this, not nearly anything resembling Mike.
But it hurt for three weeks. But they had me
on blood thinners for like four months, and I said,
I just don't want to be on blood thinners. I just,
you know what if I cut myself shaven, I don't
want to, you know, have stuff. Can I just stop?

(01:09:02):
But they said, okay. But I remember going to talk
to a doctor six months. They had me just do
a final check, and he goes, people don't understand just
because you don't feel something doesn't mean it's not a
traumatic effect on your body. He goes, you have nerve damage.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Mike lost half the blood in his body. And so
I think if Mike would have fought in March, it
would have been entertaining. I felt by the end of
the third round, I'm like, he's done. Like that was
my take, Like he's Mike, just doesn't he Mike could well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Those last couple of rounds, he was just standing there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
So I didn't feel ripped off when I went into
the sport thinking, listen, it's a circus. I compared it
on Friday. It's the carnival at the parking lot at
the mall in your hometown. Sometimes it goes sideways and
you think to yourself, why did I waste a night
of my life? So I wasn't. I just thought it
was a mess. I kind of went in thinking fifty

(01:09:56):
percent chance it would be a mess. It was. What
was your take?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Well, I think we have to acknowledge, you know, I
think the one thing Dana White is brought to the
table is obviously not all of their cards are all
time greats. But you do go in thinking I'm going
to get the best of everyone that's fighting and for
the most part in the and I'm not a big
UFC guy. Yeah, like I admire what they've built in
Dana White, but I'm not watching every card. But like,

(01:10:21):
it's pretty clear I got things a war zone in
the octagon, I would say, in my adult life. And
you know, I was born in the mid eighties, so
I did not grow up on the peak of Tyson.
When I was coming into my own as a kid,
it was like Tyson Fight in the Holy Field. Lennox
Lewis stuff, and that was not the same guy that
fought in the late eighties right in college. I'll never

(01:10:41):
forget when Floyd Mayweather fought Oscar de la Hoya, and
it was at the end of Oscar's prime, but it
was It's probably one of the biggest fights of the
last I don't know, twenty plus years and it was
fucking terrible, and I remember it was a big deal
for us to buy and we were watching it was
like the most boring fight of all time. And that
is the business of boxing is they could hype it
up and get you to We didn't have to buy

(01:11:03):
it this one because it was on Netflix, which everyone
owns why they got sixty million people watching, But they
got sixty million people watching because they can hype something up.
What was the last big one? When Connor McGregor box
Floyd Mayweather, like it is kind of a carnival circus
that you can't miss. And when they do get the
big names, I would say Dana White would die to
have that, and he had it for a minute with

(01:11:24):
Connor and when I was in college, like Chuck and Tito,
But it's very very boxing for some reason, coming they've
got this YouTube star that you see him, he looks
like he's Ray Lewis. He's jacked up and he's not terrible,
but you don't know how good he is. But it
doesn't even matter. His marketing is genius. Sixty million people
watch well, and I was reading some business guy broke

(01:11:45):
it down on social media that like, you know, Brady,
because there weren't any glitches on the roast, but they're
like that was domestic and they were like less than
it was like twenty five million people. There's a big
difference between twenty five million and sixty million people worldwide,
and clearly it was screwing up the the service because
the NFL when they go on Christmas, that number is
much more like the roast twenty million people than this.

(01:12:06):
This was a worldwide listen because of my time and
even Jake Paul, like Jake Paul's huge on YouTube where
you can watch anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I'm in bed Friday night with my wife in Park
City and I'm getting tired and my wife is bumping me.
It's like six round. I'm just like starting to get
not Off'm like this is bad. She's I can't believe this.
This is beat. My wife was completely into it. By
the way, Serrano and Taylor on the undercard was a

(01:12:34):
fantastic fight. That was one for the agents.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
But you know the thing with like, you know, some
of the Floyd big fights, I would say, of the
last whatever and Connor and Floyd, those were pay per view,
so you know, you had to spend ninety nine ninety nine.
So usually there was like, hey, I'm spending money on this,
and you always left disappointed. Is why people always complained,
I think of like the boxing, because they would get
fooled into it and then be pissed off, like, God,

(01:12:57):
I knew it. No one paid you. You're already paying
for net right, So all these people on social media complaining,
it's like you could have just turned it off, like you, God,
is Mike Tyson's fifty eight years old. Now if they
had charged a buck fifty be like, Okay, I got fooled.
I'd be pissed off. No one got fooled, And it
was clear really early. Well, I mean by the end
you kind of felt bad for the game. Yeah, I thought,

(01:13:18):
you know, I thought, now twenty you got twenty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I thought Jake Paul had real self awareness after the
fight when he said, you know, there's just a time
I didn't want to humiliate anybody. I mean, he knew
you could tell by the fifth round. Like I'm watching
it the fifth round and I'm I'm like, oh, this
has got sad. Now. The other thing is, you know
Netflix doesn't do sports. I mean, they've dabbled in it,

(01:13:42):
and I think you know, I looked at it and
I didn't think the production was very good. You know
that I'm so used to it cheesy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
It fell a little off.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah, I'm used to Jim Lampley, I want, but you
know it took me even.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
At UFC feels big league now, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Oh, there's no question. Joe Rogan, Yeah, it feels world class.
And I think, yeah, I mean, I think what UFC
feels like with Dana. One of the so I go
to three to four UFC cards a year live in
the summer. When I have time off in the summer
and I'm not beholden to sit and watching college and
pro football, I will go to UFC cards and I'll
buy another five. So I probably seven times a year,

(01:14:22):
eight times. You know, I'm into the UFC. One of
the things I always appreciated is that after a fight,
I'll go in, I'll get I'll go to the bathroom
in the media room, pour a cocktail or something, talk
to a buddy, maybe grab a little you know, he'll
have food in their chicken finger. I come out, fight
starts in five minutes. Like Dana keeps that shit going.

(01:14:43):
I mean, it's just let's go, let's go. It's such
a well oiled machine with Dana. I've never had a
bad time at a UFC card. I never thought I
would like watching women fight, and I watched Srono Taylor
and I was like, wow, I've seen some USC fights
with women like it's the it's the first or second
best fight on the card. So Netflix did have a

(01:15:04):
pretty good undercard. But when I looked at Netflix overall,
I'm like, this is a blip. This this isn't one
percent of their business. And they're building a sports department
and I wouldn't be shocked if they had a daredevil
event that They're not INBC Sports. They're not Fox, that's
not what they are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Who is the guy that used to jump over the
Grand Canyon and Robbie Cavel? Yeah, you know the one
thing I think UFC has, which I think football has this.
If you're gonna play in a football game, it's really
hard to have asked because you can get taken out.
You know, in basketball, one thing you could just kind
of cruise through a month, right, just I go pass

(01:15:45):
a little shoot a little football. If you're gonna play
in the game, like you better be ready to go.
Boxing kind of has that too. I mean, Floyd got
knocked for this, and obviously he's really skilled, but he
could dance around, he can never touch him. You get
in that octagon, man or woman, you better be ready
to go because you could get legitimately hurt. And that's
why I would say you're kind of you watch this

(01:16:06):
Jake Paul fight, hoping Mike Tyson could knock him out early,
but you knew more than likely. If you gave every
human truth serum to follow sports, it's gonna be a weird,
bizarre event. When you go to a UFC event, you're like,
at any moment, any person, the best, the random guy
can get their jaw put one hundred and eighty degrees
and you know that. And I think football is a
lot like that too. When I turn on a football game,

(01:16:28):
I mean hel Florida look like Alabama against LSU. Yeah,
you put the pads on, you, buckle that chin strap.
You gotta be ready to go and listen. I'm not again,
I'm not a huge UFC guy just because I've just
like I really admire and appreciate the violence and the
business they've built. I just don't watch it that much,
but I do respect what it takes. Again that and
in boxing, like you gotta fake it for a while. Yeah,

(01:16:50):
I mean it feels like Floyd for the last five
six years of his career made a lot of money
dancing around that ring.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yeah. No, And I think I mean Jake Paul again,
it is it's a business model. Go find out a
big name guy fight him. The Connor McGregor fight. I'll
be honest, I would watch it. I think Jake Paul
would hammer. I don't think Connor can get up to
that weight, and Jake Paul he doesn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
You know what is what is Jake way? Well, I
mean Connor like struggled to get to like one sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
No, I mean I look at I mean Jake's like,
let's just not even count wait, and I'm thinking, give
me a break. Jake. Jake looks like what if.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
They got a what if they each got one hundred
million dollars? I think Connor might I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Can see fifty. I will say this though, Jake Paul
looks like a little bit like an NFL defensive end.
I mean that's how that's what he looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Paul looks good, Jake Paul. Here's the one thing I
appreciate bu Jake Paul. You know he takes it seriously. Yeah,
like he's not showing in there with a belly or
like he takes boxing really serious. Like whatever he's created,
he has put all his chips in the middle of
the table on his thing. And in terms of training,
who do I hear say this that they watched him
train and they're like, obviously, relative to like these guys

(01:17:54):
in their prime, you can't compare him. But for what
he is, he's really impressive. You just watch him spar
in some ram them gym On a Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Afternoon, John Middlecoff, former NFL scout Good Hour twenty broke
down everything I wanted to break down.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Buddy Good talking see you Collin

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
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