Colin’s joined by Jason Timpf, host of “Hoops Tonight” to break down the Knicks beating the Celtics in Game 5 to go up 3-1 and the NBA draft lottery.
They start with a thrilling game 5 between the Knicks and Celtics and highlight a dominant performance by Jalen Brunson compared to a Celtics team that was completely out of rhythm outside of Jayson Tatum (4:00). Colin points to Brunson landing with the Knicks as the key to him breaking out as a superstar (7:00). Jason argues Brunson may be the best small guard in the league, and Colin puts him in a class with the best Knicks ever (9:15).
They discuss the Celtics poor ball movement and shot selection as what led to them losing, but give huge props to Jayson Tatum for his incredible performance prior to going down with an injury (16:00). They break down the ripple effects of Tatum’s injury on the Celtics future and whether they might be forced to blow up an aging roster if Tatum is out for a year (19:15).
Colin argues that the Knicks may be primed to be the dominant team in the East with the Celtics facing an uncertain future but Jason argues the Cavs and Pacers would like a word (22:00).
They pivot to the NBA draft lottery and the Mavericks landing the #1 overall pick despite long odds and the ability to draft Duke star Cooper Flagg, why the basketball gods just gave the Mavs possibly the greatest gift EVER and why the draft order couldn’t have gone better for the NBA (35:00).
They look at the Spurs, Thunder and Rockets as potential landing spots for Giannis and point to the results of the draft making the west even stronger compared to the east (41:00). Finally, they point to NIL giving top prospects the ability to take the better marketing of playing for blue chip college programs, and why recognizable domestic talents will help the NBA (45:00).
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of the best, most intense NBA games I have seen
in years the crowd first of all, the Knicks shot making.
I cannot remember a game when I everybody kat in
the first half. Brunson, McHale, bridges og listen, this is
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a cliche, but you always hear that team wanted it more,
and I'm always like, he'll give me a break. I'm
sorry that crowd fed that team. I didn't think the
Knicks offensively Jason had that half that second half in them.
That was an incredible display of shot making to me. Yeah,
I was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wife. My wife was kind of just piddling around walking
through the room and she goes that Jalen Brunston, he
really has been putting the Celtics away in this series,
and I was like, he's been doing this to everybody
this entire playoff run. It's like you get into a
game with him where it's close late and he just
He's one of the most gifted shot makers I've ever watched. Colin.
It's it's like a it's almost like an Alpha like
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number one version of what Jamal Murray does, where it's
just a steady diet of like right shoulder fades, left
shoulder fades, stepping back to the left, stepping back to
the right, off of movement in a off ball situation,
off of movement in a high ball screen. He can
just hit so many different types of jump shots from
so many different spots on the floor that it gives
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him like a lot of you know, counter moves so
that he can always get a shot off. And then
he's just worked so well towards polishing up his shot
making in those situations. It's just remarkable. And I thought
also Tom Thibodeau giving Brunson that quick rest. Kind of
an interesting subplot in this game was Jalen Brown being
in some foul trouble and not starting the fourth quarter.
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And what was weird about that is typically that's Jalen
Brown's unit, but because Tatum had to lead that early
fourth quarter unit, Tatum just kept hunting witches and so
it was a lot of one on one from Tatum
and Tatum was hitting shots, but no other Celtic was
in any rhythm. And what was really a smart move
from TIBs. I was joking with a couple of my
Lakers buddies. I was like, is Tom Thibau about to
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pull a JJ Redick and just play everybody for the
whole twenty four minutes, but no. He brings in Duce
McBride in the early fourth quarter, and so then they
start running action for Michale bridges and McHale catches a
heater and starts hitting those little mid range fifteen footers,
and the ball's moving around, and OG's hitting shots, and
Cats getting a bucket, Mitchell Robinson's getting dunk, and the
Knicks had a bunch of guys in rhythm in that
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fourth quarter, and so even when Tatum was hitting shots,
it kind of felt like it was over because the
Knicks just had so many more things going. And I
mean even at the time of the Tatum injury. They
were up by nine at that point. But I'd be
remiss if I didn't say, Colin, I agree with you,
that was an unbelievable game, and that Tatum injury is
just a huge buzz kill, just a huge buzz kill
at the end of.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That Well, yeah, we'll circle back to the Tatum injury,
which is absolutely awful, But the game felt like it
was over before that. You know, I was thinking about Brunson,
and you know, we talk about this in football all
the time, where where you land matters. I mean, Mahomes
would be great anywhere. He may be the best quarterback
ever because he lands with Andy Reid, Like it does matter.
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So Brunson's got a little Steve Nash, you know Steve
Nash Canada, Santa Clara, goes to the Mavericks, good player,
good player, plays with another star, international star, Dirk and
you know he goes to Phoenix and just blossoms always talented.
You're like, oh my god, he's the most valuable player
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in the league. This is the best offense that was
before the three ball era. Phoenix was scoring one twenty
eight regularly like before the three ball And You're like, well,
I knew he was good. I didn't think he was
the most valuable player. Brunson similarly, plays in Dallas, has
an international cohort. Is very good player. Nobody disputes it.
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Very good player, goes to New York. They give him,
like Nash, the keys to the offense. And I always
like Brunson, like Nash, I never saw this. I never
saw honestly, he right now and I'm talking the whole league.
He's as good of a late game shot maker as
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the league has. And you know, you'd watch Nash when
he would never touch it with there his right hand,
and he do that left and or off the glass
like three times a game, and you're like, Okay, that
doesn't make any sense. You're six to one, how are
you throwing that over trees? And I'm not saying their
games are similar, but it just goes to show Jason,
when you empower a player who's got a little chip,
who's overlooked, you give him the keys to the offense.
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He gets the right coach. It's a magical thing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
He's the first guard that I can think of in
well over a decade, because that's how long STEP's been
doing it. He's the first guard to legitimately make it
a debate who's the best small guard in the league
Like it used to be Steph forever and it wasn't close.
Like every time someone would bring up Dame, You're like,
nowhere near the defender, nowhere near the off ball player.
Jalen Brunson and this surgical walking teams down over and
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over and over again in the fourth quarter thing. It's remarkable.
He's turning losses into wins. It's amazing stuff that he's doing.
He's doing it in this series against elite on ball defenders,
over and over again, shedding Derek White with nasty post
spin moves as he fakes him out one way or
the other, hunting the Celtics bigs in space. He is
producing offensively at the level of the greatest players in
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the league, and it's no longer a conversation to me
as to whether or not Jalen Brunson could be the
best player on a championship team. He absolutely can be,
and Colinques have to bring this up because I think
this is important in the context of the storyline heading
into the series. One of the themes coming into the
series is Boston killed the Knicks in the regular season
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by hunting Brunson and by hunting Kat, and Cat has
been a nightmare defensively in the series, although he did
do a couple of better possessions against Tatum down the
stretch of this game. But Jalen Brunson has been very
good defensively in this series and repeatedly in crunch time
in the wins they had in Boston. He got stops
on Tatum on an Island. He got stops on Jalen
Brown in an Island. He survived post up mismatches against
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Al Horford, like he's playing two way basketball too, Like
this is a this is one of our better competitors
in the league who is demonstrating for the world that
he belongs in the conversation with the best players in
the league. Like he legitimately has a case to be
the best small guard in the league right now. And
it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, And I said this, I felt like Ewing was
the best nick ever. And I always felt, you know,
Mellow was a little overstated because I thought he was
a profound offensive talent, but not necessarily a guy, not
a great leader. And I said this a couple of
years ago, I said, I would take you know, Walt
Fraser Ewing, Bernard King Brunson feels like he's in that class.
(07:57):
I mean, for as bad as the football teams are,
he's like the best cou're back in New York. Like
he is what New York teams should be. New York
teams should be tough, they should be resilient, they should
be fighters. They shouldn't be you know, they shouldn't be slick.
That's for LA teams or Miami teams. It's like New
York teams. New York basketball from Syracuse The Pearl, Washington's
(08:20):
you know, like Syracuse the zone, the matchup zone defense,
the great Nick teams with pat Riley. Walt Fraser was
a great defensive guard. Willis Reid. Like the culture of
basketball in New York is tough and physical, and I
just watched them tonight and I thought to myself, listen,
if the NBA, and I think it's a really smart plan,
is going to allow for more physical play. I do
(08:43):
think there is a cat issue defensively on this team.
That's why Mitchell Robinson is in that game in the
second half, Like we'll take cat scoring early. We'll go
with Robinson even though he can't hit her free throw.
I do think they have to kind of clean up
the pick and roll D defense with Kat at some
point in personnel. But the league is allowing this kind
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of physical play and their ball movement their defense. I
don't know. I look at it and I'm like, I
don't think i'd screw it up. The chemistry is just remarkable.
Like I think Kat is a really nice offensive piece,
but Gotti, the well coach teams are going to attack
him if if you had to. And I know it's
(09:27):
not the night, But I came out of that thinking
they don't need KD. They don't need another shot maker.
That was my take.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Do they I don't yet the I think a more
reliable version of Mitchell Robinson at the center position would
be a really interesting piece. Like you you mentioned the
pick and roll defense. Let's say, let's say the results hold,
which I believe they will if Tatum's injured. I think
the Knicks are going to win the series, and I
believe the Pacers will close out the Calves, although that's
not necessarily over. The Pacers are a very very difficult
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team to guard, and they specifically capitalize on dudes who
are slow footed in space. That's that is how they
take advantage of you. And the Calves are fast and
they're cutting them to pieces. They hung eight, they hung
eighty points on them yesterday in the first half. The
Calves are the Pacers are playing some special basketball. So
a lot of it depends on how next round goes.
(10:20):
If they hold up well and they beat the Pacers,
I think it's a much more complicated conversation about the
type of move they need to make. But if they
get beat by, if they just get flat out beat
by the Pacers. I think what you have to look
at is Kale Bridges kind of makes sense as a
secondary player next to Jalen Brunson. He can run that
action when he's off the floor. Og Ananobi to me,
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is like the quintessential weak side scoring forward, Like he
just scores off the skip passes, the ball gets skipped
to him and he shoots at three or he drives
the clothes out. Jalen Brunson is proving that he can
be that on ball guard that can lead a championship team.
Get a kick ass center, get somebody, Get somebody that
can really guard, that can really defend in space, that
can really do the things that they need to kind
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of tie all of that together. And I'm not sure
that there's like maybe they can turn around and try
to flip Cat towards like you know, maybe they called
Dallas and they go, hey, maybe you want a pair
Cat with Anthony Davis and we'll take Derek Lively in PJ.
Washington for more forward depth or something like that. I
could see them making a move centered around Kat if
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he gets exposed in the Pacers series, But so much
of it just depends on what happens in that series.
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(12:14):
to your local Walmart, Target and try the og degree
cool Rush for yourself. Let's talk Boston. One of the
things that really jumped out to me first. Credit to Tatum,
who played one of his best playoff games as a Celtics.
He was aggressive, he was hunting it. He was great.
But one of the things I really noticed is the reason,
as you noted earlier, the Knicks had such a great
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rhythm is they were just Brunson. They moved the ball.
I think the Celtics get into this. It's not just
the threes. They're a math equation. When they shoot threes poorly,
they don't move the ball, and it just becomes you know,
Pretcher off a screen. And I feel like some of
that's on Missoula. There's a difference between. I mean, again,
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they shoot a lot of threes, but I go back
earlier this season when they were flying through good teams
on the road and I would watch them and I'd
be like, God, they're ball moving's exceptional. When I watched
in the second half and I'm like, oh, this is
just this is like Tatum or Pritchard off a screen.
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I mean a couple and I thought Tatum played well,
but a couple of his shots before the injury are like, bro,
that is deep by your standards. And I think part
of this series, I think Missoula did not do a
great job. I don't think we can just blame it
on missing threes. Why did they have two games where
they were atrocious and why in the second half did
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they struggle. I didn't like their lack of ball movement.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The shots they took in Game three were the same
shots they took in Game two's. They just went in
And you know, I was actually talking about this in
my show today because I was trying to like think
about what I've learned from this Nick Celtics series to
this point. And I think we can all agree that
the Celtics win Humming are the best team in the
league because they have just unbelievable shot making mixed in
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with like high level read and react stuff for wide
open threes, and they're they can be great defensively, like
they were so good defensively in the first half of
this game they had the Nixon handcuffs. But then there's
also this lower floor than we all imagined. And the
reason why is they just have never had an audible
like when they don't hit shots. They don't have like
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a like the the Nuggets, who can be like, okay,
the you know, Jamal Murray doesn't really have it going.
We're gonna spam low post stuff with Jokic, or Jokics
doesn't really have it going, we're gonna go to the
two man game with Jamal Murray or Aaron Gordon has
this seize mismatch down low, we can just dump it
down to him. They won a finals game doing that
a couple of years ago. There's a certain amount of
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variety that you see in the best offenses in the league,
and with Boston it's kind of right now, like Tatum
or Brown hunting mismatches and they're driving kick attack, and
that's basically all they have in their offensive game, and
there is a there is a susceptibility they have to
what happened tonight and what happened in the first two games,
which is all the other guys are out of rhythm
because it's turning into one on one ball at the
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top of the key. And the shot yeah from Tatum
was remarkable in that third quarter. I mean he hit
three or four really turn around fadeaways. But there's a
little bit of a fools gold element there if the
other teammates are not involved. Drew Holliday, wide open three
in the left corner, misses it in the fourth quarter
because it's the only catch and shoot three he got
for like a twenty minute span of real time. Derek
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White misses a corner three, even though he had been
hot all night. Because in the late third quarter, the
ball wasn't moving around, he wasn't getting touches. He ends
up missing that shot. And this is where it's the
smart game plan. The Knicks had been using traditional coverages
with Kat throughout the series, and there in that second
half they were like, just switch and just try to
score on Kat. And guess what Kat got scored on.
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He got scored on something. Yeah, but it turned into
a one on one contest and the other guys all
got froze out. No other Celtics cent rhythm. I bet
you if you pulled the numbers from the tail end
of that game, Tatum probably outscored the entire rest of
his team over the final seventeen to eighteen minutes of
that game.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, it was ISO's at the top. Wasn't ball movement.
People got cold while the Knicks everybody was getting touches.
Josh Harten didn't have a big offensive game, but that
didn't mean he didn't touch the ball. And that's the
difference poor Zingis was disappointing. I will tell you over
the course of the season, Peyton Pritchard's emergence. I don't
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know exactly what poor Zingis is. I thought tonight he
was in bad position. He had multiple opportunities where he
had the best position off a rebound and jumped too
early or got pushed out of the way. I don't know.
I think that's a movable piece. Like I think they'll
come out of this series. My opinion is they'll move Poorzingis.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, let's dig into this a little bit, Colin, because
I mean, fingers crossed that it's good news for Tatum.
But I have a feeling that it's what it looked
like and he's probably going to be out for all
of next season. And if that is the case, chrisops
Porzingis is about turn thirty years old and he's made
of tissue paper.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Drew Holliday is thirty four, Al Horford's thirty eight, Derek
White is thirty, and Jalen Brown's really good, but he's
twenty eight and he kind of is what he is
at this point. I think it's possible if the Tatum
injury is confirmed to be what it looks like that
Boston ends up essentially fire sailing a bunch of these
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guys this summer, because what's the point You're gonna run
back with Jalen Brown and thirty nine year old Al
Horford and chrisops Porzingis and like they'd be fine, But
they're not. They're they're all of a sudden like the
fourth or fifth best team in the West.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
If they sign their first round pick, they have five
hundred million dollars on the payroll, new owners who have
a new bank note that's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Work exactly they need to be if it's again, if
it's confirmed, and I believe it will be. I mean
the body, which it's just brutal that you could just
tell that Tatum's heart was broken. But I think you
almost have to look at it like the twenty twenty
season for the Warriors after the Kevin Durant injury and
after the Klay Thompson injury, where it's like, this is
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the year to be bad and to get off of
money and to bring in the means with which to
rebuild around Tatum and Brown. Because Tatum is twenty seven
and he probably will make a full recovery and still
be an all NBA level player when he gets back,
and so there's an opportunity to kind of like use
this year as a gap year to kind of get
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off of some of this old money. Drew Holliday is
gonna be useful to somebody. There's gonna be somebody out
there who will look at Drew Holliday and feel like
he'll help us win a championship. Orford might even be
that guy for somebody. There's you know, Derek White I
think would fetch a super high price right now, although
I wouldn't get rid of him unless he fetched a
super high price because he's at the age where he
can still help Tatum and Brown. But yeah, their entire
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outlook fundamentally changes by this because this was already call
in kind of a sneaky old roster and it kind
of felt like a two to three year window where
you had an opportunity to win, and if Tatum's down,
there's no opportunity to win.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
For the record, nice job, Goldie. Celtics only had fifteen assists,
second fewest all seasons. So my eyes in your eyes
did not deceive us isoball isolation. Top didn't pass the ball.
We were right. They're averaging nineteen assists in the playoffs,
down from twenty six in the regular season. So this
is Joe Mizzoula. They're not moving the ball. Nice job, Goldie. Yeah,
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and here's the otter thing I thought about. I'll throw
this at you. Oklahoma City is only getting better. Okay
if you look at San Antonio, who has the number
two pick and two young stars actually three, only getting better.
Yeah yeah, Houston maybe in the Katie or Janna sweepstakes,
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only getting better. What's interesting is that this may be
the nixt year circling back to the Knicks. It's like, guys,
the West Cooper flags going west. Dallas now is with
that front line is going to be something Dallas, okac Houston,
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San Antonio. The argument you can make today they will
all be better. Golden State won't, Lakers may not. Those
four will be. So it really creates urgency. We know this.
Remember the Seahawks, we thought in the NFL were going
to have a dynasty. They win one, they get to
the second weird play call at the goal line, never
get back. That play call did something to the locker
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room and the culture. They never recovered. I mean, you
say all, Boston'll be fine. What if Tatum's out next year.
It's one thing when he misses two games, it's another
one he misses eighty two. Poor Zingish, you can't trust.
They may be Denver. The Celtics may very well be Denver.
The Knicks may end up if they can get to
(21:07):
the finals and snag one with all the money and
all the greatness of Boston. What if New York's like
steals a championship. I mean, that's what's so crazy about
this sport is that we're going to run now where
there are no great teams. But it looks like over
the next two to three years the West could have
more than one. So I want to talk about that
(21:28):
for a second. I do feel like Boston's going to
be out, Cleveland's out. Well New York matches up with
everybody else. I mean, OKC would go into that final
as one of the youngest finals teams ever. Are we
looking at everything falling for the Knicks?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Watch out for the Pacers, Colin. They are They are
reaching a level on both ends of the floor now
that is really impressive. Like, I know, the Cavs are
banged up. Darius Garland with his toe injury, and Mobley's
got an ankle, Donovan Mitchell's got an ankle now, But
that team won sixty four games, and let's just this
(22:11):
is the best way I could describe it, Colin. The
Calvs beat the Pacers in the second half seventy to
forty nine yesterday and still lost by twenty. Okay, that's
how bad the Pacers beat them yesterday. So like this
Pacers team is, I'm I'm nervous about Karl Anthony Towns
guarding in that matchup. That said, as we've seen with
Denver in the OKC matchup, if you are facing a
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team that has some ify shooters that you can help
off of, it's an easier matchup for the Knicks. So like,
in a weird way, I give him a puncher's chance
against an OKC because they'd be able to load up
the strong side and all that kind of stuff. But
it's like that Pacers matchup is just such an interesting
one with Kat because it's just a disaster for him
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having to guard in space and Miles Turner's hitting every
three he takes right now, which is causing problems for
opposing bigs, and the Pacers are just playing at a
really high level. So I would like I would look
at that Knicks Pacers series. My initial gut feeling is
to favor Indiana, to be clear, So that's not an
insult to the Knicks. It's just kind of a matchup thing,
and I just am seeing stuff with Indiana that I
(23:17):
think is pretty special. They they're kind of like the
quintessential team basketball, Like everyone is playing super well on
that team. They're defending, they're picking up full court. Rick
Carlisle has them playing super hard for forty eight minutes
every single night. But this has opened up in the
sense that I'll just put it this way. Con even
if the Knicks won tonight, which I mean, we agree
(23:38):
they would have, even if Tatum didn't get hurt, I
still wouldn't have been surprised if Boston came back and
won the series. But now it looks like they're almost
certainly going to advance, and if they advance, they certainly
have a great chance. Once you're in the conference finals,
it's like anything can happen at that point.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, it was really funny. Tonight was the first night
watching the Knicks, and it was late. It was pre
Tatum injury, probably seven minutes left, and I thought we'll
go back to the beginning. I just think New York's
built for this series. I think it means more. I
think the officials are letting them play. I think they're
winning the coaching matchup and they're underdogs. That's a powerful
(24:18):
that's a powerful thing. Well, this has been great, So, folks,
we just broke down Celtics and Knicks. So what we're
gonna play next? We did these in inverse order right
after the NBA lottery Jason and I jm On surprised,
to say the least. So this was great. You and
(24:41):
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This is one of my favorite nights of the year.
I just love it and First of all, I you know,
once they you know, I didn't want to see Toronto
win it. I'm sorry. I want Cooper Flag to be here.
I didn't want to see New Orleans, Washington, Charlotte. You know,
after watching Shooting Guards that documentary, I can't root for
the Wizards ever again. I know it's a different group.
(27:37):
I was so disgusted by it. But I said earlier
today on FS one, I said, if San Antonio wins
Stefan Castle Wemby Cooper Flag, I said, oh, poor Oklahoma City.
They've done everything right. They had Westbrook, Durant Harden couldn't win.
Now they're going to have this SGA Holmegrid Roster, and
they got this train for the next decade. But it's
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the Dallas Mavericks. You know, it makes me think of this. Listen.
I thought the trade Luca the Lakers was terrible, but
I said, before the new CBA, he qualified Luca for
seventy large, seventy million a year. And I was talking
to one of my only friends that ever deals with billionaires.
He's in venture capital, and he said, listen, man, he said,
(28:26):
people are so rich now, thirty millions a rounding air.
But even for a billionaire, seventy five million dollars for
a basketball player. He better play defense, he better be
in shape, he better be healthy. He said, they're not
paying that to Luca. He goes and that was his
whole theory. He goes the pressure on Nico. Some of
it was like, okay, seventy five million, he's missed the
(28:48):
last two camps. So whether you liked it or not,
I did think it was worthy of discussion. They just
didn't get enough out of it. Three firsts Ad, Austin
Reeves and another. It's like, okay, now we can sleep
on it. But here's what's funny, Jason timpf. Essentially, instead
(29:09):
of three hundred million, you get the best domestic prospect
maybe in ten years.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Since Ad I mean Zion.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Since A is it not? Did the basketball gods not
grant them the greatest gift ever?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
You know, I'm not mister the NBA is rigged. I'm
not that guy. But if you were that guy, this
would be the day to make the case. Because, in
addition to the Dallas piece, which we'll get to in
just a second, I think that the league has now
just tied up San Antonio for the easiest Yannis trade
that you could possibly imagine, and we can get into
(29:50):
that in a second. But the the Dallas front is
super fascinating because Cooper Flag in many ways is everything
that Luca isn't in the sense that he's got this
like incredible work ethic, proven, like details oriented, freakish competitor,
but what he doesn't have is like just whatever you
want to call that magic quality Luca has, which just
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brings that top side offensively that very few players in
NBA history have reached by his age, and Cooper Flag
has a little bit of that sort of weakness in
the sense that he doesn't have a singular point of
his game that you can point to where it's like, oh,
he is like an A plus plus plus athlete, or
he is an A plus plus plus shooter or anything
like that. But he's just so versatile down the line
(30:35):
that he brings an element that Luka Doncic didn't bring.
He's such a natural fit next to Anthony Davis, which
I really like. There's some big picture questions with Dallas's
roster now with PJ Washington, like how does he fit
into this mix? I think, on one hand, I'm just
so thrilled that Cooper didn't go to a team that
was trying to be bad. I think that that's one
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of the nice kind of upsides of this is that
it prevents that sort of mediocrity being rewarded. And then
on the Yanna's front with with San Antonio, what I
find super fascinating is there are these three teams that
are obviously teed up to be able to go get Yanis,
and that's Oklahoma City, San Antonio and Houston. And Janis
going to Oklahoma City would be no fun, Like, that's
(31:17):
no fun. They're just gonna kill everybody like that, That's
literally no fun. And then Houston, it's kind of an
interesting fit. But Houston is like athletic and can't shoot,
so they seem to make the perfect sense for a
KD team, you know what I mean? Right, And so
like ideally Yanni's going to San Antonio makes the most sense.
They have the clear pieces to be able to offer
in terms of like they can give Milwaukee both picks
(31:41):
and like a really intriguing young prospect like Stefan Castle
and a specific pick in this upcoming draft, the number
two overall pick where they could hope to get a
super high level guard to help in the future. And
so with that being the case, like, I think this
has broken out just about perfectly for what the league
would probably like to see.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean I think Also, I don't think i'd mess.
The only thing I thought I thought if San Antonio
won the lottery was Stefan Castle, Wemby and Cooper Flag.
I thought Oklahoma City would be like, okay, right, we're
gonna move home Groun and seven Picks and lou Dort
for Giannis, Like I'm sorry, but this is going to
(32:23):
be a freight train for eight years in San Antonio.
So I was saying, if you're Oklahoma City, you were
rooting against San Antonio. They may not be you next year.
But that was scary. I wouldn't have minded Philadelphia winning,
but I feel like it would have been almost unfair
because they've really I mean, let's be honest, they held
on to m BED too long. They blamed everybody except
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MBD for all their problems. It's like, that's not fair.
But I also think as a sportscaster, when I look
at this move for Dallas, is that I said this
to a friend the other day, I said, you know,
the best trade partner for Dallas. They need to play initiator.
They need Austin Reeves and the Lakers need size, and
Dallas has a really deep front line. I said, they're
(33:07):
not gonna make that move. Now I think to myself, well,
you know, I think what Dallas needs is somebody like
Cooper Flag, who let's just say he's Jason Tatum. I
still think. I don't think Kyrie is gonna play next year,
not until at least the trading deadline. So it's Dallas
has some extra size to play with. But good god,
(33:31):
look at this, Jason. The West is already better. Dallas
now gets Cooper Flag, san Antonio gets the second best players,
the Rutgers kid everybody loves. I mean, I keep looking
at this thing. I was talking to Rachel Nichols today.
The West is just going to get better, and yannest
Milwaukee's not trading him in the East, They're trading him West.
(33:54):
I mean, it's that's that's what I said about Milwaukee
today and the honest trait take out Boston if you
go and get a chet Home Grin and multiple picks,
or go to Houston and get Sheng Goon Jalen Green
six Picks and Jabari Smith. I'm throwing names out. Outside
of Boston, You're not that far away from being the
(34:16):
number two team in the East. In the West, you
could not give up a Yanis. It would be decimating Portland.
You know, they move off Dame. They have all this talent.
It's they're irrelevant. If you had to guess Janis, who's
the best fit. And I agree with you, Houston needs
a shooter. Yannis probably isn't the perfect fit.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah. The thing that would be really nice with Yannis
as a frontline partner with Victor wembin Yama is their
games compliment each other on a bunch of specific levels. So,
for instance, Victor Wembinyama is blossoming as this like three
point centric center and he very clearly likes to take
that shot. It's something he hunts when he's out there.
So there's kind of like a spacing dynamic to where
(34:55):
you don't want to have two centers basically playing with
each other that both want to work right by the basket,
and so there's kind of a natural fit there. But
the second piece of it is Wemby has some vulnerability
to size and strength and Yannis does not, and so
anchoring anchoring Wemby with a six' eleven forward that is
one of the most physically dominant forwards of his. Era
(35:17):
is kind of a perfig natural fit. There and, yeah
they already have with the Darn fox piece the ball handling,
piece so you can actually see this like this like
rim protection. Center giannis has always played better next to
a center when they when The bucks used to play
him at, center they used to have issues because he's
not as good at defending pick and roll as he
is is like kind of a traditional help side, defender
(35:38):
and So wemby can defend pick and, Roll giannis can
be their low man help side. Defender Daron fox is
your point of attack. Guard it just has such a
natural fit. There and one of the things that was
going to get tricky with San antonio and this is
this is where that second pick is super. Interesting you
get to the question where you're, like, man are we
going to have to give Up Stefan castle And Devin
vessel to make this? Happen this the number two pick
(36:02):
is probably going to Be Dylan, harper and he's very
interesting guard out Of rutgers that has size and has
some athleticism and can and really get to the. Basket
Dylan harper gives you another piece to include in a
deal like, that to maybe keep a, castle or to
maybe keep A Devin. Vasselle Devin vesselle is kind of
an off ball shooter, archetype so he might be the
perfect guy to. Keep he's also older and a little
(36:23):
bit closer to being ready to contribute in a serious.
Context and so it kind of just feels like the
stars are aligning in that. Way If I'm, HOUSTON i
want to bargain serious For. Giannis BUT kd is just
such a nice backup plan for them to go to
that just fits so nicely. There And i'm so glad
you mentioned The Austin Reeves dallas, piece because that deal
(36:46):
will never happened after what. Happened if The, dallas if
the mass do another deal with The, lakers their fans might.
Revolt but there's such like an obvious Like Gafford Austin,
reeves there maybe such something LIKE i think The lakers
would need to get more BECAUSE i Think austin's a
better player Than. Gafford but there is like there's a
version of that deal they could put together where they
(37:07):
where they get some athleticism, back and it makes some,
sense and it's just a question of whether or not
that type of partnership would ever work. Out the other
group THAT i look, at IF i was The lakers
With austin is look At brooklyn and see if they
can't get like A Nick claxton or something like that
and that type of.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Deal, yeah It's, OH i loved it so much. Tonight
it just cracked me. Up Dallas San antonio seventy six
ers get the third choice And. CHARLOTTE i will, say
there's there's one THING i do think that really works
in the NBA's favor when you see a lot of
THESE G league guys Like Jalen, green and you kind
(37:43):
of put your arms up in the air as AN
nba commissioner and, go, wow a lot of these guys
who are, flourishing these young guys went to college or they're,
international which their academy systems better than our current kind
of g leaksist. Them and it's not that people will
push back on THE G, league but with nil money
(38:05):
at the top ten programs now, comparable you, know relative
to the Ni elmont or to THE G league. MONEY
i do think the domestic. Product the draft is going
to become less international at the top and more, domestic
or at least it won't look like last. YEAR i
mean this year is a great. Example it's very domestic,
(38:27):
product and SO i think THAT'S i think that really.
Matters i've said this for. YEARS i understood THE G
league pre, nil But i've said this About Jalen. Green
he has no defined offensive. Game even if you spend
a year in college with a with A Dan hurley
or A Bill self or A tom is just a
year of hard coaching college campus fundamentals. MATURING i think
(38:51):
it really. Matters, also playing In, march playing on, television
playing in a big ten OR sec, environment whether it's real,
pressure bad, game the students give you the side eye
like that's real pressure for eighteen nineteen year. OLD i
Mean Cooper, flag you play At, duke you have fifteen
games On NATTY, tv and then you Have. March SO
(39:13):
i do think college basketball has been a bit marginalized
by the. LEAGUE i got it pre, nil but now
IF i was a, DAD i would take a little
less and go with a marketing advantage Of, Kansas, Syracuse.
Yukon would you? NOT i think you're.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Dead on with, This. Colin there is a thing that
happens in THE G league where they prepare you for
the pro game in a certain, way in the sense
that they'll put you in some nbaesque roles where you're
either running tie ball, screens or you're behaving as the
role man, screener or you're attacking closeouts on the week,
side DIFFERENT nba defensive. Concepts all that's, great but you're
(39:50):
not going to capture the, intensity the, stakes the overall
just like passion and vibe that you get in college.
Basketball it's the closest thing that you're going to find
that REPLICATES nba playoff. BASKETBALL i also think the coaching,
matters like you're just gonna give your kid the best access,
to you, know real like, intentional detail oriented, coaching because
(40:14):
at that level it makes such a huge difference when
you're working with those types of, athletes and LIKE i
think to your, point having an il incentivizing kids to
stay in the college game in addition to just being
great for just basketball, culture because to be, HONEST ncaa
basketball is such a huge part of WHAT i grew
up rooting for WHEN i was a. Kid, COLIN i
barely watched THE. NBA i watched a lot Of, arizona
(40:35):
The university Of arizona basketball WHEN i was like sixteen,
seventeen WHEN i was going to play high school. Ball
those were the kids we. Idolized we idolized the kids
playing at the u OF. A it's just it's part
of the. CULTURE i think it just needed, this And
i'm so glad THE ncaa was willing to just kind
of adapt into this era because we needed this for
this sport to. SURVIVE i think it's better for the
basketball players in our.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Country, yeah And i've said, THIS i understand THE nba
sting with regular season ratings because regular season playoff basketball
is about veteran teams and recognizable, players so the numbers go,
up plus the intensity regular, season there's a lot of
guys you don't. Know there's a lot of bad, teams
and those are international players you didn't, watch OR G
(41:15):
league guys you didn't. Watch And i've said. This you,
Know i'm On thompson as OBVIOUSLY G league and a great,
player but you Watch Jalen green and you're, like, man
he could have used. College he could have really used.
College he feels Lost Jonathan. MINGA i, mean we're on what,
year year, Four i'm still trying to quite figure out
what he. Is he can't play with the. VETERANS i
Mean San Antonio Golden state's culture is. Classic every young guy,
(41:39):
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can be Cominga Jordan poole wore out veteran. Players SO
i AND i love college, basketball AND i was always
MORE nba than college because for a lot of, REASONS
i grew up With Bill walton and The blazers and
The sonics when they won championships in the. Seventies i'm
showing my, age BUT i will say though Those Christian
(42:01):
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All americans off the top of your head because it
Was duncan's coming back and. EWING i can remember going
(42:24):
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before the college basketball, season AND i looked on the
cover they had The All american team and it was
four High. SCORORERS i was, like, OKAY i Can't i'm,
SORRY i can't do. It SO i just, THOUGHT i Just,
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in years the crowd first of all, the Knicks shot making.
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the first half. Brunson, McHale, bridges og listen, this is
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a cliche, but you always hear that team wanted it more,
and I'm always like, he'll give me a break. I'm
sorry that crowd fed that team. I didn't think the
Knicks offensively Jason had that half that second half in them.
That was an incredible display of shot making to me. Yeah,
I was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wife. My wife was kind of just piddling around walking
through the room and she goes that Jalen Brunston, he
really has been putting the Celtics away in this series,
and I was like, he's been doing this to everybody
this entire playoff run. It's like you get into a
game with him where it's close late and he just
He's one of the most gifted shot makers I've ever watched. Colin.
It's it's like a it's almost like an Alpha like
(02:10):
number one version of what Jamal Murray does, where it's
just a steady diet of like right shoulder fades, left
shoulder fades, stepping back to the left, stepping back to
the right, off of movement in a off ball situation,
off of movement in a high ball screen. He can
just hit so many different types of jump shots from
so many different spots on the floor that it gives
(02:30):
him like a lot of you know, counter moves so
that he can always get a shot off. And then
he's just worked so well towards polishing up his shot
making in those situations. It's just remarkable. And I thought
also Tom Thibodeau giving Brunson that quick rest. Kind of
an interesting subplot in this game was Jalen Brown being
in some foul trouble and not starting the fourth quarter.
(02:50):
And what was weird about that is typically that's Jalen
Brown's unit, but because Tatum had to lead that early
fourth quarter unit, Tatum just kept hunting witches and so
it was a lot of one on one from Tatum
and Tatum was hitting shots, but no other Celtic was
in any rhythm. And what was really a smart move
from TIBs. I was joking with a couple of my
Lakers buddies. I was like, is Tom Thibau about to
(03:12):
pull a JJ Redick and just play everybody for the
whole twenty four minutes, but no. He brings in Duce
McBride in the early fourth quarter, and so then they
start running action for Michale bridges and McHale catches a
heater and starts hitting those little mid range fifteen footers,
and the ball's moving around, and OG's hitting shots, and
Cats getting a bucket, Mitchell Robinson's getting dunk, and the
Knicks had a bunch of guys in rhythm in that
(03:33):
fourth quarter, and so even when Tatum was hitting shots,
it kind of felt like it was over because the
Knicks just had so many more things going. And I
mean even at the time of the Tatum injury. They
were up by nine at that point. But I'd be
remiss if I didn't say, Colin, I agree with you,
that was an unbelievable game, and that Tatum injury is
just a huge buzz kill, just a huge buzz kill
at the end of.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That Well, yeah, we'll circle back to the Tatum injury,
which is absolutely awful, But the game felt like it
was over before that. You know, I was thinking about Brunson,
and you know, we talk about this in football all
the time, where where you land matters. I mean, Mahomes
would be great anywhere. He may be the best quarterback
ever because he lands with Andy Reid, Like it does matter.
(04:15):
So Brunson's got a little Steve Nash, you know Steve
Nash Canada, Santa Clara, goes to the Mavericks, good player,
good player, plays with another star, international star, Dirk and
you know he goes to Phoenix and just blossoms always talented.
You're like, oh my god, he's the most valuable player
(04:37):
in the league. This is the best offense that was
before the three ball era. Phoenix was scoring one twenty
eight regularly like before the three ball And You're like, well,
I knew he was good. I didn't think he was
the most valuable player. Brunson similarly, plays in Dallas, has
an international cohort. Is very good player. Nobody disputes it.
(05:00):
Very good player, goes to New York. They give him,
like Nash, the keys to the offense. And I always
like Brunson, like Nash, I never saw this. I never
saw honestly, he right now and I'm talking the whole league.
He's as good of a late game shot maker as
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the league has. And you know, you'd watch Nash when
he would never touch it with there his right hand,
and he do that left and or off the glass
like three times a game, and you're like, Okay, that
doesn't make any sense. You're six to one, how are
you throwing that over trees? And I'm not saying their
games are similar, but it just goes to show Jason,
when you empower a player who's got a little chip,
who's overlooked, you give him the keys to the offense.
(05:44):
He gets the right coach. It's a magical thing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
He's the first guard that I can think of in
well over a decade, because that's how long STEP's been
doing it. He's the first guard to legitimately make it
a debate who's the best small guard in the league
Like it used to be Steph forever and it wasn't close.
Like every time someone would bring up Dame, You're like,
nowhere near the defender, nowhere near the off ball player.
Jalen Brunson and this surgical walking teams down over and
(06:12):
over and over again in the fourth quarter thing. It's remarkable.
He's turning losses into wins. It's amazing stuff that he's doing.
He's doing it in this series against elite on ball defenders,
over and over again, shedding Derek White with nasty post
spin moves as he fakes him out one way or
the other, hunting the Celtics bigs in space. He is
producing offensively at the level of the greatest players in
(06:34):
the league, and it's no longer a conversation to me
as to whether or not Jalen Brunson could be the
best player on a championship team. He absolutely can be,
and Colinques have to bring this up because I think
this is important in the context of the storyline heading
into the series. One of the themes coming into the
series is Boston killed the Knicks in the regular season
(06:54):
by hunting Brunson and by hunting Kat, and Cat has
been a nightmare defensively in the series, although he did
do a couple of better possessions against Tatum down the
stretch of this game. But Jalen Brunson has been very
good defensively in this series and repeatedly in crunch time
in the wins they had in Boston. He got stops
on Tatum on an Island. He got stops on Jalen
Brown in an Island. He survived post up mismatches against
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Al Horford, like he's playing two way basketball too, Like
this is a this is one of our better competitors
in the league who is demonstrating for the world that
he belongs in the conversation with the best players in
the league. Like he legitimately has a case to be
the best small guard in the league right now. And
it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, And I said this, I felt like Ewing was
the best nick ever. And I always felt, you know,
Mellow was a little overstated because I thought he was
a profound offensive talent, but not necessarily a guy, not
a great leader. And I said this a couple of
years ago, I said, I would take you know, Walt
Fraser Ewing, Bernard King Brunson feels like he's in that class.
(07:57):
I mean, for as bad as the football teams are,
he's like the best cou're back in New York. Like
he is what New York teams should be. New York
teams should be tough, they should be resilient, they should
be fighters. They shouldn't be you know, they shouldn't be slick.
That's for LA teams or Miami teams. It's like New
York teams. New York basketball from Syracuse The Pearl, Washington's
(08:20):
you know, like Syracuse the zone, the matchup zone defense,
the great Nick teams with pat Riley. Walt Fraser was
a great defensive guard. Willis Reid. Like the culture of
basketball in New York is tough and physical, and I
just watched them tonight and I thought to myself, listen,
if the NBA, and I think it's a really smart plan,
is going to allow for more physical play. I do
(08:43):
think there is a cat issue defensively on this team.
That's why Mitchell Robinson is in that game in the
second half, Like we'll take cat scoring early. We'll go
with Robinson even though he can't hit her free throw.
I do think they have to kind of clean up
the pick and roll D defense with Kat at some
point in personnel. But the league is allowing this kind
(09:05):
of physical play and their ball movement their defense. I
don't know. I look at it and I'm like, I
don't think i'd screw it up. The chemistry is just remarkable.
Like I think Kat is a really nice offensive piece,
but Gotti, the well coach teams are going to attack
him if if you had to. And I know it's
(09:27):
not the night, But I came out of that thinking
they don't need KD. They don't need another shot maker.
That was my take.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Do they I don't yet the I think a more
reliable version of Mitchell Robinson at the center position would
be a really interesting piece. Like you you mentioned the
pick and roll defense. Let's say, let's say the results hold,
which I believe they will if Tatum's injured. I think
the Knicks are going to win the series, and I
believe the Pacers will close out the Calves, although that's
not necessarily over. The Pacers are a very very difficult
(09:59):
team to guard, and they specifically capitalize on dudes who
are slow footed in space. That's that is how they
take advantage of you. And the Calves are fast and
they're cutting them to pieces. They hung eight, they hung
eighty points on them yesterday in the first half. The
Calves are the Pacers are playing some special basketball. So
a lot of it depends on how next round goes.
(10:20):
If they hold up well and they beat the Pacers,
I think it's a much more complicated conversation about the
type of move they need to make. But if they
get beat by, if they just get flat out beat
by the Pacers. I think what you have to look
at is Kale Bridges kind of makes sense as a
secondary player next to Jalen Brunson. He can run that
action when he's off the floor. Og Ananobi to me,
(10:42):
is like the quintessential weak side scoring forward, Like he
just scores off the skip passes, the ball gets skipped
to him and he shoots at three or he drives
the clothes out. Jalen Brunson is proving that he can
be that on ball guard that can lead a championship team.
Get a kick ass center, get somebody, Get somebody that
can really guard, that can really defend in space, that
can really do the things that they need to kind
(11:04):
of tie all of that together. And I'm not sure
that there's like maybe they can turn around and try
to flip Cat towards like you know, maybe they called
Dallas and they go, hey, maybe you want a pair
Cat with Anthony Davis and we'll take Derek Lively in PJ.
Washington for more forward depth or something like that. I
could see them making a move centered around Kat if
(11:24):
he gets exposed in the Pacers series, But so much
of it just depends on what happens in that series.
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cool Rush for yourself. Let's talk Boston. One of the
things that really jumped out to me first. Credit to Tatum,
who played one of his best playoff games as a Celtics.
He was aggressive, he was hunting it. He was great.
But one of the things I really noticed is the reason,
as you noted earlier, the Knicks had such a great
(12:35):
rhythm is they were just Brunson. They moved the ball.
I think the Celtics get into this. It's not just
the threes. They're a math equation. When they shoot threes poorly,
they don't move the ball, and it just becomes you know,
Pretcher off a screen. And I feel like some of
that's on Missoula. There's a difference between. I mean, again,
(12:57):
they shoot a lot of threes, but I go back
earlier this season when they were flying through good teams
on the road and I would watch them and I'd
be like, God, they're ball moving's exceptional. When I watched
in the second half and I'm like, oh, this is
just this is like Tatum or Pritchard off a screen.
(13:18):
I mean a couple and I thought Tatum played well,
but a couple of his shots before the injury are like, bro,
that is deep by your standards. And I think part
of this series, I think Missoula did not do a
great job. I don't think we can just blame it
on missing threes. Why did they have two games where
they were atrocious and why in the second half did
(13:39):
they struggle. I didn't like their lack of ball movement.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The shots they took in Game three were the same
shots they took in Game two's. They just went in
And you know, I was actually talking about this in
my show today because I was trying to like think
about what I've learned from this Nick Celtics series to
this point. And I think we can all agree that
the Celtics win Humming are the best team in the
league because they have just unbelievable shot making mixed in
(14:05):
with like high level read and react stuff for wide
open threes, and they're they can be great defensively, like
they were so good defensively in the first half of
this game they had the Nixon handcuffs. But then there's
also this lower floor than we all imagined. And the
reason why is they just have never had an audible
like when they don't hit shots. They don't have like
(14:26):
a like the the Nuggets, who can be like, okay,
the you know, Jamal Murray doesn't really have it going.
We're gonna spam low post stuff with Jokic, or Jokics
doesn't really have it going, we're gonna go to the
two man game with Jamal Murray or Aaron Gordon has
this seize mismatch down low, we can just dump it
down to him. They won a finals game doing that
a couple of years ago. There's a certain amount of
(14:46):
variety that you see in the best offenses in the league,
and with Boston it's kind of right now, like Tatum
or Brown hunting mismatches and they're driving kick attack, and
that's basically all they have in their offensive game, and
there is a there is a susceptibility they have to
what happened tonight and what happened in the first two games,
which is all the other guys are out of rhythm
because it's turning into one on one ball at the
(15:07):
top of the key. And the shot yeah from Tatum
was remarkable in that third quarter. I mean he hit
three or four really turn around fadeaways. But there's a
little bit of a fools gold element there if the
other teammates are not involved. Drew Holliday, wide open three
in the left corner, misses it in the fourth quarter
because it's the only catch and shoot three he got
for like a twenty minute span of real time. Derek
(15:29):
White misses a corner three, even though he had been
hot all night. Because in the late third quarter, the
ball wasn't moving around, he wasn't getting touches. He ends
up missing that shot. And this is where it's the
smart game plan. The Knicks had been using traditional coverages
with Kat throughout the series, and there in that second
half they were like, just switch and just try to
score on Kat. And guess what Kat got scored on.
(15:51):
He got scored on something. Yeah, but it turned into
a one on one contest and the other guys all
got froze out. No other Celtics cent rhythm. I bet
you if you pulled the numbers from the tail end
of that game, Tatum probably outscored the entire rest of
his team over the final seventeen to eighteen minutes of
that game.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, it was ISO's at the top. Wasn't ball movement.
People got cold while the Knicks everybody was getting touches.
Josh Harten didn't have a big offensive game, but that
didn't mean he didn't touch the ball. And that's the
difference poor Zingis was disappointing. I will tell you over
the course of the season, Peyton Pritchard's emergence. I don't
(16:27):
know exactly what poor Zingis is. I thought tonight he
was in bad position. He had multiple opportunities where he
had the best position off a rebound and jumped too
early or got pushed out of the way. I don't know.
I think that's a movable piece. Like I think they'll
come out of this series. My opinion is they'll move Poorzingis.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, let's dig into this a little bit, Colin, because
I mean, fingers crossed that it's good news for Tatum.
But I have a feeling that it's what it looked
like and he's probably going to be out for all
of next season. And if that is the case, chrisops
Porzingis is about turn thirty years old and he's made
of tissue paper.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Drew Holliday is thirty four, Al Horford's thirty eight, Derek
White is thirty, and Jalen Brown's really good, but he's
twenty eight and he kind of is what he is
at this point. I think it's possible if the Tatum
injury is confirmed to be what it looks like that
Boston ends up essentially fire sailing a bunch of these
(17:30):
guys this summer, because what's the point You're gonna run
back with Jalen Brown and thirty nine year old Al
Horford and chrisops Porzingis and like they'd be fine, But
they're not. They're they're all of a sudden like the
fourth or fifth best team in the West.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
If they sign their first round pick, they have five
hundred million dollars on the payroll, new owners who have
a new bank note that's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Work exactly they need to be if it's again, if
it's confirmed, and I believe it will be. I mean
the body, which it's just brutal that you could just
tell that Tatum's heart was broken. But I think you
almost have to look at it like the twenty twenty
season for the Warriors after the Kevin Durant injury and
after the Klay Thompson injury, where it's like, this is
(18:14):
the year to be bad and to get off of
money and to bring in the means with which to
rebuild around Tatum and Brown. Because Tatum is twenty seven
and he probably will make a full recovery and still
be an all NBA level player when he gets back,
and so there's an opportunity to kind of like use
this year as a gap year to kind of get
(18:35):
off of some of this old money. Drew Holliday is
gonna be useful to somebody. There's gonna be somebody out
there who will look at Drew Holliday and feel like
he'll help us win a championship. Orford might even be
that guy for somebody. There's you know, Derek White I
think would fetch a super high price right now, although
I wouldn't get rid of him unless he fetched a
super high price because he's at the age where he
can still help Tatum and Brown. But yeah, their entire
(18:57):
outlook fundamentally changes by this because this was already call
in kind of a sneaky old roster and it kind
of felt like a two to three year window where
you had an opportunity to win, and if Tatum's down,
there's no opportunity to win.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
For the record, nice job, Goldie. Celtics only had fifteen assists,
second fewest all seasons. So my eyes in your eyes
did not deceive us isoball isolation. Top didn't pass the ball.
We were right. They're averaging nineteen assists in the playoffs,
down from twenty six in the regular season. So this
is Joe Mizzoula. They're not moving the ball. Nice job, Goldie. Yeah,
(19:35):
and here's the otter thing I thought about. I'll throw
this at you. Oklahoma City is only getting better. Okay
if you look at San Antonio, who has the number
two pick and two young stars actually three, only getting better.
Yeah yeah, Houston maybe in the Katie or Janna sweepstakes,
(19:58):
only getting better. What's interesting is that this may be
the nixt year circling back to the Knicks. It's like, guys,
the West Cooper flags going west. Dallas now is with
that front line is going to be something Dallas, okac Houston,
(20:21):
San Antonio. The argument you can make today they will
all be better. Golden State won't, Lakers may not. Those
four will be. So it really creates urgency. We know this.
Remember the Seahawks, we thought in the NFL were going
to have a dynasty. They win one, they get to
the second weird play call at the goal line, never
get back. That play call did something to the locker
(20:45):
room and the culture. They never recovered. I mean, you
say all, Boston'll be fine. What if Tatum's out next year.
It's one thing when he misses two games, it's another
one he misses eighty two. Poor Zingish, you can't trust.
They may be Denver. The Celtics may very well be Denver.
The Knicks may end up if they can get to
(21:07):
the finals and snag one with all the money and
all the greatness of Boston. What if New York's like
steals a championship. I mean, that's what's so crazy about
this sport is that we're going to run now where
there are no great teams. But it looks like over
the next two to three years the West could have
more than one. So I want to talk about that
(21:28):
for a second. I do feel like Boston's going to
be out, Cleveland's out. Well New York matches up with
everybody else. I mean, OKC would go into that final
as one of the youngest finals teams ever. Are we
looking at everything falling for the Knicks?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Watch out for the Pacers, Colin. They are They are
reaching a level on both ends of the floor now
that is really impressive. Like, I know, the Cavs are
banged up. Darius Garland with his toe injury, and Mobley's
got an ankle, Donovan Mitchell's got an ankle now, But
that team won sixty four games, and let's just this
(22:11):
is the best way I could describe it, Colin. The
Calvs beat the Pacers in the second half seventy to
forty nine yesterday and still lost by twenty. Okay, that's
how bad the Pacers beat them yesterday. So like this
Pacers team is, I'm I'm nervous about Karl Anthony Towns
guarding in that matchup. That said, as we've seen with
Denver in the OKC matchup, if you are facing a
(22:35):
team that has some ify shooters that you can help
off of, it's an easier matchup for the Knicks. So like,
in a weird way, I give him a puncher's chance
against an OKC because they'd be able to load up
the strong side and all that kind of stuff. But
it's like that Pacers matchup is just such an interesting
one with Kat because it's just a disaster for him
(22:55):
having to guard in space and Miles Turner's hitting every
three he takes right now, which is causing problems for
opposing bigs, and the Pacers are just playing at a
really high level. So I would like I would look
at that Knicks Pacers series. My initial gut feeling is
to favor Indiana, to be clear, So that's not an
insult to the Knicks. It's just kind of a matchup thing,
and I just am seeing stuff with Indiana that I
(23:17):
think is pretty special. They they're kind of like the
quintessential team basketball, Like everyone is playing super well on
that team. They're defending, they're picking up full court. Rick
Carlisle has them playing super hard for forty eight minutes
every single night. But this has opened up in the
sense that I'll just put it this way. Con even
if the Knicks won tonight, which I mean, we agree
(23:38):
they would have, even if Tatum didn't get hurt, I
still wouldn't have been surprised if Boston came back and
won the series. But now it looks like they're almost
certainly going to advance, and if they advance, they certainly
have a great chance. Once you're in the conference finals,
it's like anything can happen at that point.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, it was really funny. Tonight was the first night
watching the Knicks, and it was late. It was pre
Tatum injury, probably seven minutes left, and I thought we'll
go back to the beginning. I just think New York's
built for this series. I think it means more. I
think the officials are letting them play. I think they're
winning the coaching matchup and they're underdogs. That's a powerful
(24:18):
that's a powerful thing. Well, this has been great, So, folks,
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All right, absolutely bonkers. I've said this before Take Games Away.
(27:16):
This is one of my favorite nights of the year.
I just love it and First of all, I you know,
once they you know, I didn't want to see Toronto
win it. I'm sorry. I want Cooper Flag to be here.
I didn't want to see New Orleans, Washington, Charlotte. You know,
after watching Shooting Guards that documentary, I can't root for
the Wizards ever again. I know it's a different group.
(27:37):
I was so disgusted by it. But I said earlier
today on FS one, I said, if San Antonio wins
Stefan Castle Wemby Cooper Flag, I said, oh, poor Oklahoma City.
They've done everything right. They had Westbrook, Durant Harden couldn't win.
Now they're going to have this SGA Holmegrid Roster, and
they got this train for the next decade. But it's
(28:00):
the Dallas Mavericks. You know, it makes me think of this. Listen.
I thought the trade Luca the Lakers was terrible, but
I said, before the new CBA, he qualified Luca for
seventy large, seventy million a year. And I was talking
to one of my only friends that ever deals with billionaires.
He's in venture capital, and he said, listen, man, he said,
(28:26):
people are so rich now, thirty millions a rounding air.
But even for a billionaire, seventy five million dollars for
a basketball player. He better play defense, he better be
in shape, he better be healthy. He said, they're not
paying that to Luca. He goes and that was his
whole theory. He goes the pressure on Nico. Some of
it was like, okay, seventy five million, he's missed the
(28:48):
last two camps. So whether you liked it or not,
I did think it was worthy of discussion. They just
didn't get enough out of it. Three firsts Ad, Austin
Reeves and another. It's like, okay, now we can sleep
on it. But here's what's funny, Jason timpf. Essentially, instead
(29:09):
of three hundred million, you get the best domestic prospect
maybe in ten years.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Since Ad I mean Zion.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Since A is it not? Did the basketball gods not
grant them the greatest gift ever?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
You know, I'm not mister the NBA is rigged. I'm
not that guy. But if you were that guy, this
would be the day to make the case. Because, in
addition to the Dallas piece, which we'll get to in
just a second, I think that the league has now
just tied up San Antonio for the easiest Yannis trade
that you could possibly imagine, and we can get into
(29:50):
that in a second. But the the Dallas front is
super fascinating because Cooper Flag in many ways is everything
that Luca isn't in the sense that he's got this
like incredible work ethic, proven, like details oriented, freakish competitor,
but what he doesn't have is like just whatever you
want to call that magic quality Luca has, which just
(30:11):
brings that top side offensively that very few players in
NBA history have reached by his age, and Cooper Flag
has a little bit of that sort of weakness in
the sense that he doesn't have a singular point of
his game that you can point to where it's like, oh,
he is like an A plus plus plus athlete, or
he is an A plus plus plus shooter or anything
like that. But he's just so versatile down the line
(30:35):
that he brings an element that Luka Doncic didn't bring.
He's such a natural fit next to Anthony Davis, which
I really like. There's some big picture questions with Dallas's
roster now with PJ Washington, like how does he fit
into this mix? I think, on one hand, I'm just
so thrilled that Cooper didn't go to a team that
was trying to be bad. I think that that's one
(30:56):
of the nice kind of upsides of this is that
it prevents that sort of mediocrity being rewarded. And then
on the Yanna's front with with San Antonio, what I
find super fascinating is there are these three teams that
are obviously teed up to be able to go get Yanis,
and that's Oklahoma City, San Antonio and Houston. And Janis
going to Oklahoma City would be no fun, Like, that's
(31:17):
no fun. They're just gonna kill everybody like that, That's
literally no fun. And then Houston, it's kind of an
interesting fit. But Houston is like athletic and can't shoot,
so they seem to make the perfect sense for a
KD team, you know what I mean? Right, And so
like ideally Yanni's going to San Antonio makes the most sense.
They have the clear pieces to be able to offer
in terms of like they can give Milwaukee both picks
(31:41):
and like a really intriguing young prospect like Stefan Castle
and a specific pick in this upcoming draft, the number
two overall pick where they could hope to get a
super high level guard to help in the future. And
so with that being the case, like, I think this
has broken out just about perfectly for what the league
would probably like to see.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean I think Also, I don't think i'd mess.
The only thing I thought I thought if San Antonio
won the lottery was Stefan Castle, Wemby and Cooper Flag.
I thought Oklahoma City would be like, okay, right, we're
gonna move home Groun and seven Picks and lou Dort
for Giannis, Like I'm sorry, but this is going to
(32:23):
be a freight train for eight years in San Antonio.
So I was saying, if you're Oklahoma City, you were
rooting against San Antonio. They may not be you next year.
But that was scary. I wouldn't have minded Philadelphia winning,
but I feel like it would have been almost unfair
because they've really I mean, let's be honest, they held
on to m BED too long. They blamed everybody except
(32:46):
MBD for all their problems. It's like, that's not fair.
But I also think as a sportscaster, when I look
at this move for Dallas, is that I said this
to a friend the other day, I said, you know,
the best trade partner for Dallas. They need to play initiator.
They need Austin Reeves and the Lakers need size, and
Dallas has a really deep front line. I said, they're
(33:07):
not gonna make that move. Now I think to myself, well,
you know, I think what Dallas needs is somebody like
Cooper Flag, who let's just say he's Jason Tatum. I
still think. I don't think Kyrie is gonna play next year,
not until at least the trading deadline. So it's Dallas
has some extra size to play with. But good god,
(33:31):
look at this, Jason. The West is already better. Dallas
now gets Cooper Flag, san Antonio gets the second best players,
the Rutgers kid everybody loves. I mean, I keep looking
at this thing. I was talking to Rachel Nichols today.
The West is just going to get better, and yannest
Milwaukee's not trading him in the East, They're trading him West.
(33:54):
I mean, it's that's that's what I said about Milwaukee
today and the honest trait take out Boston if you
go and get a chet Home Grin and multiple picks,
or go to Houston and get Sheng Goon Jalen Green
six Picks and Jabari Smith. I'm throwing names out. Outside
of Boston, You're not that far away from being the
(34:16):
number two team in the East. In the West, you
could not give up a Yanis. It would be decimating Portland.
You know, they move off Dame. They have all this talent.
It's they're irrelevant. If you had to guess Janis, who's
the best fit. And I agree with you, Houston needs
a shooter. Yannis probably isn't the perfect fit.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah. The thing that would be really nice with Yannis
as a frontline partner with Victor wembin Yama is their
games compliment each other on a bunch of specific levels. So,
for instance, Victor Wembinyama is blossoming as this like three
point centric center and he very clearly likes to take
that shot. It's something he hunts when he's out there.
So there's kind of like a spacing dynamic to where
(34:55):
you don't want to have two centers basically playing with
each other that both want to work right by the basket,
and so there's kind of a natural fit there. But
the second piece of it is Wemby has some vulnerability
to size and strength and Yannis does not, and so
anchoring anchoring Wemby with a six' eleven forward that is
one of the most physically dominant forwards of his. Era
(35:17):
is kind of a perfig natural fit. There and, yeah
they already have with the Darn fox piece the ball handling,
piece so you can actually see this like this like
rim protection. Center giannis has always played better next to
a center when they when The bucks used to play
him at, center they used to have issues because he's
not as good at defending pick and roll as he
is is like kind of a traditional help side, defender
(35:38):
and So wemby can defend pick and, Roll giannis can
be their low man help side. Defender Daron fox is
your point of attack. Guard it just has such a
natural fit. There and one of the things that was
going to get tricky with San antonio and this is
this is where that second pick is super. Interesting you
get to the question where you're, like, man are we
going to have to give Up Stefan castle And Devin
vessel to make this? Happen this the number two pick
(36:02):
is probably going to Be Dylan, harper and he's very
interesting guard out Of rutgers that has size and has
some athleticism and can and really get to the. Basket
Dylan harper gives you another piece to include in a
deal like, that to maybe keep a, castle or to
maybe keep A Devin. Vasselle Devin vesselle is kind of
an off ball shooter, archetype so he might be the
perfect guy to. Keep he's also older and a little
(36:23):
bit closer to being ready to contribute in a serious.
Context and so it kind of just feels like the
stars are aligning in that. Way If I'm, HOUSTON i
want to bargain serious For. Giannis BUT kd is just
such a nice backup plan for them to go to
that just fits so nicely. There And i'm so glad
you mentioned The Austin Reeves dallas, piece because that deal
(36:46):
will never happened after what. Happened if The, dallas if
the mass do another deal with The, lakers their fans might.
Revolt but there's such like an obvious Like Gafford Austin,
reeves there maybe such something LIKE i think The lakers
would need to get more BECAUSE i Think austin's a
better player Than. Gafford but there is like there's a
version of that deal they could put together where they
(37:07):
where they get some athleticism, back and it makes some,
sense and it's just a question of whether or not
that type of partnership would ever work. Out the other
group THAT i look, at IF i was The lakers
With austin is look At brooklyn and see if they
can't get like A Nick claxton or something like that
and that type of.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Deal, yeah It's, OH i loved it so much. Tonight
it just cracked me. Up Dallas San antonio seventy six
ers get the third choice And. CHARLOTTE i will, say
there's there's one THING i do think that really works
in the NBA's favor when you see a lot of
THESE G league guys Like Jalen, green and you kind
(37:43):
of put your arms up in the air as AN
nba commissioner and, go, wow a lot of these guys
who are, flourishing these young guys went to college or they're,
international which their academy systems better than our current kind
of g leaksist. Them and it's not that people will
push back on THE G, league but with nil money
(38:05):
at the top ten programs now, comparable you, know relative
to the Ni elmont or to THE G league. MONEY
i do think the domestic. Product the draft is going
to become less international at the top and more, domestic
or at least it won't look like last. YEAR i
mean this year is a great. Example it's very domestic,
(38:27):
product and SO i think THAT'S i think that really.
Matters i've said this for. YEARS i understood THE G
league pre, nil But i've said this About Jalen. Green
he has no defined offensive. Game even if you spend
a year in college with a with A Dan hurley
or A Bill self or A tom is just a
year of hard coaching college campus fundamentals. MATURING i think
(38:51):
it really. Matters, also playing In, march playing on, television
playing in a big ten OR sec, environment whether it's real,
pressure bad, game the students give you the side eye
like that's real pressure for eighteen nineteen year. OLD i
Mean Cooper, flag you play At, duke you have fifteen
games On NATTY, tv and then you Have. March SO
(39:13):
i do think college basketball has been a bit marginalized
by the. LEAGUE i got it pre, nil but now
IF i was a, DAD i would take a little
less and go with a marketing advantage Of, Kansas, Syracuse.
Yukon would you? NOT i think you're.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Dead on with, This. Colin there is a thing that
happens in THE G league where they prepare you for
the pro game in a certain, way in the sense
that they'll put you in some nbaesque roles where you're
either running tie ball, screens or you're behaving as the
role man, screener or you're attacking closeouts on the week,
side DIFFERENT nba defensive. Concepts all that's, great but you're
(39:50):
not going to capture the, intensity the, stakes the overall
just like passion and vibe that you get in college.
Basketball it's the closest thing that you're going to find
that REPLICATES nba playoff. BASKETBALL i also think the coaching,
matters like you're just gonna give your kid the best access,
to you, know real like, intentional detail oriented, coaching because
(40:14):
at that level it makes such a huge difference when
you're working with those types of, athletes and LIKE i
think to your, point having an il incentivizing kids to
stay in the college game in addition to just being
great for just basketball, culture because to be, HONEST ncaa
basketball is such a huge part of WHAT i grew
up rooting for WHEN i was a. Kid, COLIN i
barely watched THE. NBA i watched a lot Of, arizona
(40:35):
The university Of arizona basketball WHEN i was like sixteen,
seventeen WHEN i was going to play high school. Ball
those were the kids we. Idolized we idolized the kids
playing at the u OF. A it's just it's part
of the. CULTURE i think it just needed, this And
i'm so glad THE ncaa was willing to just kind
of adapt into this era because we needed this for
this sport to. SURVIVE i think it's better for the
basketball players in our.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Country, yeah And i've said, THIS i understand THE nba
sting with regular season ratings because regular season playoff basketball
is about veteran teams and recognizable, players so the numbers go,
up plus the intensity regular, season there's a lot of
guys you don't. Know there's a lot of bad, teams
and those are international players you didn't, watch OR G
(41:15):
league guys you didn't. Watch And i've said. This you,
Know i'm On thompson as OBVIOUSLY G league and a great,
player but you Watch Jalen green and you're, like, man
he could have used. College he could have really used.
College he feels Lost Jonathan. MINGA i, mean we're on what,
year year, Four i'm still trying to quite figure out
what he. Is he can't play with the. VETERANS i
Mean San Antonio Golden state's culture is. Classic every young guy,
(41:39):
Struggles every young guy. Struggles it could Be, wiseman it
can be Cominga Jordan poole wore out veteran. Players SO
i AND i love college, basketball AND i was always
MORE nba than college because for a lot of, REASONS
i grew up With Bill walton and The blazers and
The sonics when they won championships in the. Seventies i'm
showing my, age BUT i will say though Those Christian
(42:01):
Latner duke, teams The fab five, teams the Five Slama,
jama it is impossible to describe to a twenty year
old what college basketball was like thirty five years. Ago
you would literally you could pick Up street And smith
and you could name the, first, second and third Team
All americans off the top of your head because it
Was duncan's coming back and. EWING i can remember going
(42:24):
In Las. Vegas there's a grocery store chain Called, smith's
and this is like twenty years, ago AND i got
this BECAUSE i always get a street In smith like
before the college basketball, season AND i looked on the
cover they had The All american team and it was
four High. SCORORERS i was, like, OKAY i Can't i'm,
SORRY i can't do. It SO i just, THOUGHT i Just,
(42:46):
god this is. Fun how about The Dallas. Mavericks at
the end of the. Season there's only one team that
can call THEMSELVES nba, champs only one player that can
call themselves the number one pick in THE nfl. Draft,
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