November 13, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin Cowherd is joined by Josh Pate to react to the latest in college football. They start off talking about Fernando Mendoza's game winning drive for Indiana against Penn State. Was that Mendoza's Heisman moment and how will that impact Indiana's season going forward? They talk about the job Kalen DeBoer has done at Alabama taking over for Nick Saban and give their picks for Alabama-Oklahoma. USC plays Iowa this weekend, Colin & Josh give their prediction and say how USC can sneak into the College Football Playoff. Texas & Georgia square off, how much pressure is on Arch Manning & Steve Sarkisian to win on Saturday? Will Lane Kiffin leave Ole Miss for the NFL? Lastly they discuss Ohio State's chances to repeat as National Champions and how that impacts the SEC.
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03:00 Fernando Mendoza & Indiana
07:45 Kalen DeBoer & Alabama
14:00 Oklahoma-Alabama
21:30 Iowa-USC
30:00 Texas-Georgia
33:00 Lane Kiffin to NFL
46:15 Ohio State Buckeyes
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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sharpest young boys in college football, Josh Paate. I love
having him on. I got to tell you, through the years,
when I talked to most of my sources aren't players
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or coaches. They've always been executives. Because I probably absurdly
of Oa's fashion myself is, if I didn't do this,
I'd want to be a GM, not a coach, not
a player. I like all the architecture of building stuff,
and when you talk to them about players. I remember
when Josh Allen came out of Wyoming and I would
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talk to gms and they're like, Okay, did you see
the throw against You know it wasn't against Oregon or Iowa.
There's a throw and it was It's remarkable how often
it's a play, a moment, a drive, and a scout
goes Okay. The Penn State game for Sam Darnold at
the Rose Bowl, that's the one everybody went, whoa, whoa,
this is this is different Fernando Mendoza. So first of all,
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he was going to go to Yale. He settled on
col So the kids obviously in Indiana's a good school.
So we know he's got brain power. We know he's
six five, we know all that stuff. That last drive
on the road, Penn State couldn't run.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Face.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
The defense made three throws, the one in the back
of the end zone. Like I'm like, okay, that's a
Sunday player. That's not normal. That's Herbert at Oregon, you know,
carrying average people around him. Not average. But cause I
think I think Indiana's got good players. They don't have
Ohio State guys. Maybe, But I watched that drive and
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I'm like, oh, he has to come out. That's the
number one player in college football. I don't care about
Ohio State's linebackers and corners. That's the impression it had
on me. It was just sitting on the couch going,
oh my god, this looks like Sunday. What was your
takeaway on it?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I thought it was there are very few moments like this,
but I was watching it in an airport. First off,
seeing a big sporting moment, seeing a big football moment
in an airport, it's always unique because it's really a
unique setting and you're not there often if you cover
the game. So that was number one, was just to
take away of how surreal it is that Wow, the
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entire world's fixated on Indiana football in this moment. I
thought it was one of those moments where you see
someone come of age, like you know someone's got potential
and then all of a sudden, it just happens. And
sometimes it's just a moment, like sometimes guys just hit
a lucky shot or make a lucky throw, but it's rare.
You don't get lucky three times like that on the
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same drive. It's something that's in you. It's potential you have.
And it's not that he hasn't shown flashes. If you're
paying attention to college football, he knew about him. If
you're paying attention to the Mott drafts, you know about him.
But you've been waiting for that. Okay, So like thought
you were talking about scouting there. I've always sort of
disagreed with the approach of boiling down a player in
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your mind to like highlight culture like I think of
one or two grows. I've always wanted to shave the
best and the worst off and take what's in the middle,
and that's the player, and that's hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of plays. But with Mendoza, he's lesser known to
the general public. You just I guarantee you there's a
whole army of college football fans out there that know
the name Fernando Mendoza and they know he's the quarterback
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in Indiana. They probably hadn't even watched him a whole lot.
That was when they saw him, and that that matters
for your Heisman crowd, But that also matters for that
locker room. It's one thing to go in there when
thirty eight to ten, like A and M just went
and took care of Missouri and Marcel Reid didn't have
to do on that Saturday what Fernando Mendoza did, and
I just could not help. But in the moments afterwards,
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go back to Oregon. Last year, Oregon just goes wire
to wire undefeated. Yeah, Dad, one like close games early
before they got their act together, and they go undefeated
and they're totally clean, and they go in the playoff
first round by and then they get Ohio State and
they just get drug And that was the first time
they really tasted their blood. And Indiana looked like they
were on a trajectory to maybe do that, and instead
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they didn't have to suffer the consequences of loss, but
they dealt with something. They dealt with having a crawl
over broken glass to get a win. And I mean,
I'm never going to be in a major college football
locker room as a player, but I cannot imagine what
that flight home was like. I can't imagine what it's
like to look in the mirror. Man as him, Just
look in the mirror. Everyone's been talking you up. But
sometimes there can be a little imposter syndrome, there can
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be a little silk doubt. There can be none of
that with him anymore. It was amazing to watch.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, a great second half. Penn State marched up and
down the field with their backup quarterback over and over
and over, and you were like, oh my, we got,
we got I almost tweeted who's your daddy. I was
so close to the play on words. I was like,
we're gonna We're gonna get an upset. And then he
took that ball and I was just like, Wow, that's impressive.
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You know. The this weekend Oklahoma Bama, I like Bama, Iowa,
USC take the points. I think it's twenty seven to
twenty six either way. Iowa was a tough matchup on USC, Texas, Georgia.
I'll take Georgia. When the rankings came out this week,
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I want to talk about Kaylen de Bor. That's all
I want to talk about. So I said, when when
Saban left and Kaylen de Borg took over, I said,
that's the greatest handoff in the history of college football.
Generally you give it to somebody on the staff because
that's what the players want. It doesn't work where you
bring in somebody and the culture doesn't work. He's just
a winning guy. And Kaylen de boor Sioux falls, Fresno State,
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but Washington he was twenty five and three. People assumed, well,
it's Bama. He didn't have to rebuild anything. I said, no,
the time out. Now it's a whole different ballgame. This
is Bama Nil as a whole different ballgame. Secondly, he
is different than Nick and there's gonna be things He
likes coordinators he does doesn't. I'm like he was almost
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punished because everybody thought Nick handed him a Rolls Royce
and I'm like, no, he handed him a used Rolls Royce.
It wasn't as dominant as it was two years earlier.
Georgia now had as good or better players, and the
nil world had changed. Texas now could just buy players.
So if you watch Bama and you watch Kaylan de
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Boor with quarterbacks, I think Ohio State's the best team
I've seen. I think Bama's two. I think Bama is
the second best team in the country. I don't think
Indiana White has the personnel, and M's beaten a lot
of teams that fire their coaches, so I'm not quite
sure I buy that. Yet they haven't played like ol
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Miss Oklahoma. George Obama, what do you make of Kaelin
de Boor, the doubters, the critics, and where they are.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, a lot of the doubt and the criticism
was just folks wanting Alabama to fall off. It's been
a long time since you could really take reasonable shots
at Alabama. And I grew up in the South, so like,
I know the vibe about Alabama around the South. So
there's some of it where people are kind of wish casting,
they're hoping that they're right about doubting Kaylen de Bor.
And then there was another crowd that just flat out,
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you know, thought that he took, like you said, a
seamless baton handoff and it should be full stride in
any kind of fall off, any kind of looking at
the clock, and oh we're off pace a little bit.
That indicates that he's an impost. And then you get
to backfill with all these pre cooked theories people have
in the South about how well, if you're not from here,
you can't recruit here, and how's he going to recruit Alabama?
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And he didn't know this place, he didn't know the culture.
So you know, the same stuff they said about Brian
Kelly ended up being valid not because he wasn't from
the South. It's because he didn't work to the degree
you need to work at light. So the thing about
Kaylan is the style he won with at Washington's what
you need to pay the most attention to. The twenty
twenty three Washington season, what they have like seven to
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one possession wins or something like that. So they were
winning a bunch of close games, but there's so much
there's some randomized nature to that. But when you get
a big sample size of one possession games and you're
that good in one possession games, there's more than just
luck to that that skill. Bama had been used to
win in forty two to ten, and so he's come
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down here, and even in the games where they're winning,
it's it's a lot of what he did at Washington.
It's one possession games, and it aggravates people so much
because they want to run for two hundred and fifty
yards and they can't run the ball this year, and
yet they're still scaling their offense despite not being able
to run the ball, which I think is the biggest
feather in the cap of time. Simpson, Mendoza's doing it
with a ground game, Julian's doing it with a ground game.
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Bamaca't run, and Ty Simpson still does it. That's all
I would say about him if I were promoting him
for the Heisman. But debor year one in that building
this week, Colin a year ago they were in the
thick of the playoff race. They're going to go to Oklahoma.
They get their doors blown off, blown off. That was
really when the ant bed got kicked. That's really when
all the rumors started spilling out. That's when all the
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you know, the truth started getting dealt because they didn't
feel like they had anything left to play for. So
you start hearing some grumbling and you start really finding
out how oil and water that building had been. Some
of the old guards, some of the new guard. And
he walked in, and I want to remind everyone he
walked in. It the weirdest possible time maybe in the
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recent history of college athletics, because he takes the job.
Saban retires and it was weird, like an early January
kind of thing. So he takes the job, and the
portal opens for thirty days, but they can't take They
can only lose for thirty days, and you patch it
up as best you can't. Julian saying, was there by
the way he leaves? Caleb Downs was there he leaves. Well,
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then you go through spring ball and I remember talking
to him about this after it happened, and he didn't
make any excuses. I was almost trying to make excuses
for him. But it was a situation where you had
to run your spring practice knowing that after spring ball,
when you really want to get down guy's throats and
you want to try and install as much culture as
you can, they could just leave. There's a post spring
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portal window and they could bail on you. These aren't
your players. You didn't recruit them. How are you going
to have a roster going into the season. So they
had to kid glove their way through springball a little bit.
And even then, like you get to the fall and
you're kind of you're trying to build the plane in
the air, and it used to be a nice plane,
and so no one's going to accept any kind of
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turbulence up there. And that Oklahoma game is where it
really came undone a little bit, and that's where you
really started hearing it. So it's so crazy to fast
forward a year from now. It just so happens to
be they're in the thick of it again. Oklahoma's coming
in again. I'm interested that you said you like Bama
because a lot of people like Oklahoma. This week. I
love Bama this week. I'm interested in why it is
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you like Bama because I got one reason.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, I guess my take is I think I think
the offensive coaching at Bama. I tend to believe that
offensive coaches are tinkers. So I think Deborr and his coordinator,
you know, like when they went to Georgia, you're like, oh,
that's a that's a perfect game plan. I think defensive
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coaches venables tend to have this is what we are,
and we're just going to be more forceful. I tend
to think with defensive teams, you often get what you get,
and you get it by like week four. I think
offensive coaches Ryan Day is a great example. Last year, God,
you watched the Michigan game, then a week later you
watch Tennessee, and then a week later you watch Oregon.
You're like, oh shit, they didn't peak until the second
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week of the playoff. They're tinkers. Chip Kelly was always that,
he was always tinkering. So I tend to think Alabama
is just getting better. They're just every week. I feel
like they're two possessions better. Whereas I feel kind of
like I know what Oklahoma is. I've seen the best
of Oklahoma that's very good, But I think zero ten
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being the best one being not good. I think Alabama
is about a seven. I think they're going to get
to about an eight and a half. Now Ohio State's
a nine, and they may just stay there. But it's
why I think Bama's the second best team in the country.
I think they've got a tinker as a coach. I
watched them at I watched them at Washington. Just manipulate,
Tinker improve Anyway, that's my take is that I think
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four weeks ago I may have felt differently. I think
the offensive coach over the defensive culture.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I like Bama, So I'm with you. They are beating
people on Saturday a lot. Staff wise, they are. They
got one of the best stats in the country offensively, especially,
So here's what's interesting about that. If you watch the
LSU game last week, they're coming out of a by Theoretically,
you should just be shot out of a cannon. We're
ready to peak in November they won twenty to nine.
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I think it was if you watch the game, you
saw how much meat was left on the bone. Offensively,
you saw how much like just off the fingertips type
explosive passes they missed on. And I think that is
part one of the separation. Saturday, you just you focus
on precision and accuracy all week after a game like that.
And then number two, Oklahoma's real hallmark is they can
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shut you down running the ball. I'd almost feel more
uncomfortable for Alabama if part of their offense was built
on the ground game. They already don't do anything on
the ground. Lesser teams have shut them down running the ball.
So what Oklahoma's built to take away you can't take
away from Obama because they already don't do it. And
yet they still scale their passing game anyway. And the
two other offenses that they've seen that can do through
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the air what bamacam or Ole miss and Tennessee and
I think one of them through for three nineteen and
the other one through for three eighty or something like
that against them. So it's going to be a real
high profile game. It'll be a good fight. I think
Alabama's gonna have one in the thing by double digits
in the end.
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Let's talk about it so Iowa can make things difficult
for your past game as usual, well coached, have a
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handful of NFL bodies above average offensive line. I think
one of the things I noticed about Illinois about Notre
Dame and Northwestern did it to a degree last week.
You can run right at USC. Northwestern did it. There's
things they've gotten better at their cornerback play. Like with USC,
you can see the coaching and their offense now is
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a walk on, true walk on freshman running back because
they're all beat up and it hasn't hurt their running
game at all, which is remarkable. Jade and Mayava most
improved quarterback in college football. I just can't even believe
what I'm watching. Two years ago I watched them at UNLV,
I'm like, he's a runner. I didn't even throw it then.
Last year at USC, I'm like, I don't like him
throwing it, especially over the middle of the field. I
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don't trust him. Now, I'm like, that's a second round
draft pick. That's a real quarterback. I think Iowa was
a really tough matchup. I also think they play Oregon
the next week. Chance to look ahead, any chance in
your eyes Iowa b TESTC.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Sure there is. I'm looking at a forecast and we're
get we got heavy rain in La Saturday. I don't
know what's happening. So the only thing that changes, the
only thing that changes about the game that they played
last week against Oregon is the venue at about twenty
five degrees. And that's your forecast for Saturday. So you know,
you would think yourself, Oh, that heavily favors Iowa. Who knows,
Maybe it does. I just know if I'm USC, I'm
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drawing heavily on the fact that I ran it for
two twenty plus against Michigan, I ran it for over
two hundred on the road against Nebraska, and I watched
Oregon run it for two sixty against Iowa last week.
So yeah, are they gonna run on us? Probably? Iowa
runs the ball to a certain extent on everyone. But
the difference is now we think we can run it.
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It's been proven that you can run it on them.
And I mean, look, at some point, if you're gonna
exist and thrive in the Big ten, you gotta do
what Organ did last week. You gotta win a Big
ten game. I thought the most impressive thing Oregon did
was they played Iowa's game and beat Iowa. Playing Iowa's game, yeah,
they're gonna drag you in there. The weather's not gonna
help already, but I was gonna drag you in there.
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You just you gotta be able to come out of
there cut up and bleeding all over the place, but
holding a w because you're not gonna finesse your way
through the Big Ten. What you can do is you
can hit a couple of explosive plays in the process
of playing that style of ball. But I agree with
you final score projection, I agree with you. Now turnovers
can be the difference there. So there's a lot a
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lot higher variance when you play a condensed kind of
game like that. I actually think Southern cow is going
to find a way to get the job done. If
they don't, though, do you understand you understand I hope
everyone else understands how big a hinge moment this is
for Lincoln, because if they win it, it's super Bowl
time in Eugene. It's playoff on the line, big ten
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stuff on the line. If they lose this Saturday, that's
a three loss team almost inevitably headed for a fourth loss,
at which point you know what the noise is going
to sound like around there.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah. No, I've said this, you know, and I've said this.
Once college football the playoff is expanded to twelve teams,
all these romantic rivalries are in doubt, and I got
a lot of angry bonds. As I said, I would
reconsider the Notre Dame. I would go to Notre Dame
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if I was Jen Cohen, because what's interesting here, Josh.
If they beat Iowa, and I think they will, I'm
gonna go twenty seven twenty six, twenty eight, twenty seven
and lose to Oregon, they would make the playoff had
they not played Notre Dame and then they'd stuck in Fresno,
they'd have a close loss on the road to Illinois.
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And I think they'll be competitive against Oregon. Although Oregon
hits on a lot of big plays in USC gives
up big play, so it's kind of a weird matchup.
But they would make the playoffs with two losses because
they'd have enough impressive wins. So you know, my take
on USC Notre Dame is Jen Cohen should go in
and say you need it more than we do. We're
in the Big ten. I don't need another cold weather
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opponent in November. We'll play you every other year has
to be in September. We can start in Notre Dame.
But I'm not playing you late. I'm not doing that.
I'm gonna squeeze you between Georgia Southern and Fresno State.
I'm not playing yet after Ohio State and before Oregon
get lost. But it is interesting because I think USC
is gonna win, and I think they're gonna be competitive
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against Oregon, although Oregon's receiving core may be healthier. But
I said, I think I told you this. Lincoln Riley
is Matt Lafleur. I know he's smart, he's on the
right side of the ball. He's good with quarterbacks, play
designer to play caller, gets a little prickly with the media.
I don't know if he's a culture guy. I like
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everything else. I know he's smart, I know he played designs.
I've watched every snap at USC. I know Lincoln's bright.
Don't know if he's got that Vrabel Harbaugh of Chris
Peterson culture building thing. Not sure if he does, but
I think they'll win it. Texas at Georgia, this just
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feels like Georgia arch Manning has played better. Georgia's note
is dominant is two years ago. I think the whole
nil things given us some Texas techs, and it's peeled
back on the dominance of SEC teams at the top.
I like Georgia, what say you?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I got to also just before I talk about the
game man the conference expansion stuff specifically for the SEC.
I don't really know that people fully appreciate what this
has been like down here. Do you have any idea
what it's like to watch Texas come into Athens, Georgia
on a Saturday night and the same time you got
one broadcast network having all these games. By the way,
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four hours earlier, you will have watched Oklahoma go into Alabama.
And that used to be like once a decade out
of conference stuff, not just conference rotation, just conference games,
really crazy, just in the best of ways. So if
I were to have told you in July and you
don't know anything about the upcoming season, I just told you,
all right, Colin Texas Georgia is gonna be a big
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time games second week of November. I'm guaranteeing you the
game is going to come down to quarterback play. How
would you have felt about that edge wise in July,
because I think that's how the game boils down. And
I don't think we're going to go the way on
that answer that we would have in July unless we
think the sample size from the last couple of games
of arch Manning is a sign that that thing that
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you hope happens in week one is finally happening. But
it's happening in week twelve. Now. If it is, Texas
can go in there, because Texas pressures the quarterback way
more than Georgia does. So gun Stockton's got a bigger
hill to climb here then Texas does and arch Manning does.
But if that thing that seems to happen every year
in November with some player where he just finally finds
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his group, if that's happening with arch Manning, the most
important thing in this game is tackles in space, in
yards after catch. I think it was Matt Vogel. You
want to get proper credit. I think it was Matt Vogel.
I saw that put out a stat that these two
quarterbacks are number one and number two in the league
and passes behind the line of scrimmage, which stands to reason.
They recruit great athletes. They want to get the ball
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to him quick, get it in space, make someone miss.
So that's probably where this game gets decided. I just
wonder to myself, I watched Texas get two shots at
Georgia last year and they get physically just bent twice.
Not supposed to happen when you recruit and developed like Texas.
It was a very very big pride shot I thought
for them. Yeah, And so you know, they're eleven and
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three in conference games since joining the league. Two of
the losses were last year to Georgia, and now they
get another shot at them. And the reason I'm leaning
Georgia in the game is I can make you a
case for Texas. I just think at some point as
a staff, you got to show me, like, as the
overall MO of a program, I know what Georgia and
Kirby is I never have to question that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's crazy that you think to yourself, or I think
to myself. This far into the sark tenure, there's still
a lot we haven't figured out about what Steve Sarkesian's
Texas is. That's why knights like that are so important
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I think that's perfectly put and it's really interesting. Mac
Brown's teams I think had a better identity. Sometimes Texas
can be pretty. They can be pretty. I've said this
when USC and Texas played. I was at that game.
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That was the most beautiful college football game of all time.
The sunset, the Rose Bowl, burnt orange, USC, the best
looking fans.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean it was you had to be at seven
to even get a ticket to the game.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It was Everything about the game was beautiful. It wasn't
the most physical game. It was just beautiful sports. Reggie
and Leonard and Vince and I've said that before. Maybe
it's because La is a pretty town in Austin is
music and food, but there is I know exactly one
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of the first things. The Packers right now are a
broken team, and I'm like, what are they?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And I look at sarks Texas team, and I my
take is they're really talented, but I'm not sure exactly
what they are. And like Marcus Freeman takes over Notre
Dame an hour later, I'm like, oh, they're physical there.
This is gonna be like an uglier version of Brian's teams.
They are physical, they seek contact. The backs are like
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Notre Dame has an absolute identity under Marcus Freeman. It
is smart. I mean, they're always smart, smart, physical, punishing.
They're gonna they want to run right between the tackles.
It's yards after contact, it's fight for every yard. I
don't know what Texas is good, talented, I don't know
what they are.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You know, what's totally fair to say about them the
exact same thing you just said about Lincoln. To this point,
it's fair to say the same thing about Sark. I
love the dude to death. I actively pull for him,
but there is a big difference. I mean, he's a clinician,
as a play caller, as an offensive mind. There are
very few that could even hang in a conversation with him.
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But he's not the offensive coordinator alone there, he's the
head coach, and so you know, I'm looking at everything
that trickles down from the top, and if we're asking
that question this far in, look, maybe there's still some
development that happens there. I could say the same thing
about Lincoln. I know, those guys are old relative to
football minds, and they've been around a while. I mean, look,
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Saban didn't win his first national title until he was
in his early fifties, and then he won seven of them.
So it's not the craziest concept that guys may still
be learning on the job a little bit, no.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I mean I talked to Tom Telesco as a GM
for the Chargers for years and the Raiders briefly, and
he said, it's a benefit in the NFL if you
hire a head coach who's great schematically. He goes to
Shanahan and Andy, he goes, you're really hiring CEOs. Well,
it's easier to be a CEO at fifty five than
forty five, like so much of I mean, Texas is
(26:55):
a pro job. I mean, especially now with Nil, it's
like a pro job. I mean you're dealing with is
It's just a different ballgame than than even USC. Texas
is bigger, and you know, I think you're you're you're learning.
I think it's like in life, everybody gets better. I
remember Patrick Mahomes saying the light went on year three
and you're like, you were the MVP year two, and
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he's like, yeah, but everything's slowed down in year three.
So I think that I think that's I don't even
think it's a criticism of Sark. I think it's a reality.
Is he's just getting better at it. So Lane Kifton.
I've known Lane for a long time and I think
Lane's smart. I think he's again gotten better and better.
I made this argument is that you can bounce around
ole Miss Lsu. You can bounce around they're all. I
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mean these guys these days. If ole Miss can pay ten,
LSU pays eleven, there's less pressure at ole Miss. I'd stay.
I'd stay ole Miss. It's Oxford's beautiful that I said.
I think actually he could be an NFL coach and
like Harball, he'd walk into the sport for the first
three years. He knows all these players way better than
your GM does. Also, like a Miami to because of
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the contractual situation, is going to be your quarterback for
a year, but you probably got to draft your next quarterback,
and most of these guys are second round quarterbacks. Well,
he knows nuss Meyer, and he knows Simpson, he knows
all these guys. South Carolina kid, he knows all of them.
So by the second round, nobody's going to know those
quarterbacks better than Lane Kiffin. He either recruited him, played them,
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played against him. Do you think Lane Kiffin, do you
think he's considering the NFL?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I think he is. I think several of them are.
I think there's some names considering the NFL that would
totally completely put jaws on the ground if the names
ever got public. I think these guys are always considering
the NFL. Now, you'd never get the truth out of
most of them, but yeah, I mean, look, you know,
the kind of mentality it takes to succeed at the
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highest level of college football, especially if you specialize on
a side of the ball, goes hand in hand with
the kind of mentality that thinks I could win in
the NFL. I could win on Sundays. I want to
test myself against the best. I want to see how
my offense does, and especially with Lane, like you've got
the Oakland Raiders chapter in his past. You don't think
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he wants to make good on that, dude. Yeah, I'm
a believer. I'm a believer Saban never did it. I'm
a believer he wanted to make good on the Miami
Dolphins part, like all of the other extracurriculum that comes
along with the NFL relative to college. But Yeah, I
think he would consider it. I think they actively consider
it all the time. What I don't know, and I
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think this is really what the decision comes down to,
is what do you personally value the most beyond football?
Like some guys hate recruiting and they're looking at the
first exit door to get to the NFL. Right, Others
they think it's their wheelhouse. They think that's one of
their strongest suits. They actually love being around young people.
I will never forget when I was coming out of
college down in Columbus and I heard you talking about
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Parcels one day and you described him as a meatball
with arms. That is what stuck with me. That is
what NFL coaches look like relative to college coaches, because
you're around adults all day instead of younger adults. So
past that, Yeah, I think he is considering it.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to
them is the right thing to do. So, you know
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the formula and it did not go over well with
their fans. So Degrees whole thing is it turns up
the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort,
and good thing it does, because cool Rush fans really
turned up the effort to bring the original formula back.
(30:35):
One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened.
They admitted they ft up. They're bringing back the original
cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly
how you remember it, cool, crisp and freshness back in Walmart,
Target and other stores now for under four dollars. There's
a reason that's been the number one men's anti pursperant
for the last decade. It's the same reason why people
were not happy when it changed. So if you've never
(30:56):
tried it, it might be a good time to see
what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart,
Target and try the og degree cool Rush for yourself.
You know, let me throw this at you. I had
a really smart guy tell me this, a current college coach,
and he was talking about ole Miss and the limitations.
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He said, offensive recruits will follow the coach right, They'll
follow Sark Lane Kaitlin to offensive players. They want to
know who the coach is, what the system is. Great
defensive players, they want to go to Georgia, Texas, LSU.
Not about scheme. I want to get taken care of.
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I want to nil check. I got to play in
the trenches. That's the limitation of ole Miss. When I
asked somebody about Old Miss, they said, Lane's always going
to get offensive guys. He goes. Offensive guys follow the coach.
Defensive guys don't. He's never gonna have Georgia's defensive personnel.
He's never gonna have Bamas. He's never gonna have Ohio
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States defensive guys. Go to the big schools. You see
all sorts of great offenses in the history of college football.
You can go to Hawaii, you go to BYU, you
can go Indiana and see a lot of the top
ten college defense.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
There's a lot of Georgia, Bama, LSU, Michigan. And so
this coach said, Lane knows he's limited. When he faces
the big dogs in the SEC, He'll have to obscore him.
He's not stopping them, and so that's just something that's
something to think about. I thought it was very very wise.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think it's been taken into consideration. And when you
do your pros and cons, there's not gonna be a
clean list under the cons for any of these jobs. Right,
So that's what you have to ask. But then what
if you're Lane Kiffin, you have to ask, all right,
but what state do I reside in? I reside in Mississippi.
The one thing that you're gonna say about Mississippi is
it pumps out NFL front future NFL front defensive talent
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every year. Now, historically they've gone to other schools, but
that's why it's been, case by case, a nightmare to
play Mississippi state role miss in certain given years because
they're just freak shows out of Scuba and Philadelphia and
Columbus and you've never heard of those places Yazoo City, Mississippi,
but they got future first round NFL draft picks coming
out of there. I would think to myself, Man, if
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I can keep enough of those guys home, I'm gonna
get the offensive guys. But like you're right, that is
the case. If I'm representing him and selfishly I want
him at LSU or I want him at Florida. I
want him at Florida because I'm saying, dude, they've got
the track record of offense, like you want Spurrier even
when Urban was there. The difference is you can get
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the defensive talent down there as well. That's what I'd
sell him on. Yes, Sark told me this when he
was at Washington.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
He said, I can get first round receivers and tight
ends and quarterbacks at Washington, it's defensive tackles. Yeah, you
can't get him in the Northwest. We just don't. We
may have one every other year who's an elite defensive tackle,
and so know that's why, you know, I just think
it's a reality of even in southern California, as great
(34:05):
as that state is right now, USC, if you look
at their interior d line recruiting, there's Texas, there's no
there's an Oklahoma kid, there's a Texas kid, there's a
Minnesota kid, and not a lot of LA kids on
that defensive front. Now, Lemon the receiver lanes from Arizona.
You know, Mayava. They got in Vegas a running back
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walk on from Calabasas. USC's offensive talent. You know, it's
a lot of LA kids and West Coast kids. But no,
I think Lane's a great example of the willingness to
evolve as a human being. I think Lane today is
just a much better human being. Not that I know
him that well, but there were a lot of people
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out on Lane and he went small school one, and
I think Nick Saban deserves a lot of credit. You know,
Saban took a beat up Lane and a beat up Sark.
I mean, I tell you a lot about Nick Saban.
Those guys were not They had lost a lot of
glare in college sports.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I think. I mean that tw twenty fifteen teen he
had alone just doing a deep dive on that staff alone.
Pretty unbelievable at Alabama that Saban had. But I mean,
I remember when Lane was at Alabama. I remember when
Sark had gotten to Alabama and you're hearing the stories
behind the scenes and you're thinking to yourself, I mean, like,
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one of the greatest magician tricks that I thought about
Nick Saban when I first came to sort of see
behind the curtain is everyone watched them and they're this
machine and they're winning and so you think, oh, they're
free of all the crap that everyone else has to
deal with, and then you find out there's tons of
infighting there. All of these coaches are alphas, all of
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these coaches are type a's, and he's just it's like
herding cats, and he somehow did it. But to do
what he did for Lane Slash with Lane, to do
the same thing for Slash with Sark, that's pretty unbelievable.
But the other part of that is, at some point,
it don't matter how much someone else is trying to
help you if you don't want to help yourself. So yeah,
a ton of credit to Nick Saban. Absolutely, it's not
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like Kiffin's having to rediscover himself at Public's like he is.
He is coaching major college football. But at some point
you got to look in the mirror and realize, I'm
a full grown adult, like it's up to me. And
thankfully he did that.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Finally, what if Ohio State wins the Natty? I think
their defense is insane. I think it's I mean that
it's really really good. Well, Hi, you're going to have
a Michigan, Ohio State, Ohio State. What's going to be
the feeling in the South. If Ohio State wins third
straight Big Ten championship, what are we going to say
in college football?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Existential crisis? And a lot of people will paint it
like a lot of people are going to say the
Big Ten and the SEC. I'll look at it as
Michigan and Ohio State. That's what I'll look at it as.
The same way as I always thought it was really
dumb when South Carolina fans beat their chest and chanted SEC.
When Bama and LSU or win a national championships, it's
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Bama and LSU and then mix Georgia in. Those are
the teams winning the national titles. Now, look, I'm not
gonna speak ill of the overall competitive depth of the SEC.
No one needs to teach me about that. But if
I'm looking at the state of affairs in the SEC, like,
what does it mean if the Big Ten has the
best team in the country this year, maybe even one two,
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and then for all we know the SEC has three, four, six, nine,
and ten, I think it speaks that there's incredible competitive
balance but also competitive top to bottom in the SEC.
There are taller mountain peaks in the Big Ten. That's
not a crazy concept to me, people will make a
much bigger deal about it than should be made about it.
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What I'll ask is, what kind of praise does Ryan
Day deserve. We're right in the middle of it, so
this all could be moot. But that guy lost so much,
and you have Penn State ungodly money to take your
defensive coordinator, and what you improved defensively just happened Chip Kelly.
You lose Chip Kelly, and anyone would have taken that job,
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by the way, and you're in a position where you
can promote from within. Uh. It just I cannot speak
highly enough of the job they've done there. And they're
playing like their lives are on the line every week,
the same way sabans Bama teams used to.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Look. I'll say, Julius say, nobody's talking about him because
he's not coming out right, he's young, right, And Mendoza
and Dante More and his conference are getting deserved love.
And Jaden Mayava, Like the quarterback play in the Big
Ten since you brought those Pac twelve schools in has
gone way up very quick. I mean even Mendoz is
from cal So It's like the one thing the Pac
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twelve brought to the Big ten was quarterback play, like
it's just better. Julian Sand is something else, right, I
mean he is really really good. And even if you
go back to that Texas game in the opener, Arch
got all the love. It was like Julian just like
I mean you, even though he was home, It's like
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he's the nervous one. Arch Mannings, as I told you,
Thanksgiving with the Mannings is an event, like Julian Sand
was like Arch manning Texas National TV where I was like,
holy shit, that kid is good. He's really really good player.
I think he was a five star kid too, so
it's not shocking.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I think also if you remember back to the spring,
it was presented in Columbus as this is a legitimate
quarterback battle. Sometimes they be on quarterback battle, Okay, so
a lot of times it's not the case. I think
that was an authentic quarterback battle. It wasn't. It wasn't
that he was a sure fire three years from now
(39:48):
first round NFL draft pick kit in spring. But where
he is is he's sitting there in the most fertile
developmental soil in college football, and so he's got god
given ability that's you can match. But he's developed week
over week, Like you can look at the progression. It's
almost linear, which is a hallmark of the best coaches
and the best programs. That's why the same ones continue
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to win over and over again. But like week one
and then week two, in the week six and then
week nine, and you're looking at him and you're saying, wow,
And that's the first year of him. They get one more,
remember the other one or two. But yeah, he's been
pretty incredible to watch.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah. And by the way, those two receivers, Oh my god,
I joke there day. Just if you're an NFL GM,
just draft a wide receiver from Ohio State every year.
Your depth chart will be fine. Just take only Buck
Eyes because I mean, Harrison's now playing better and Buka
is amazing. Jas N's incredible. This Carneal Tait, I mean,
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he's the overshadowed one. He's the two man body, unbelievable hands,
grip on the football, forceful. Yeah, Ohio State's goods. I mean,
I don't know if Indiana could compete. I think Ohio
State's really good. Josh Pate, the Josh Pate Show, we
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do this every couple of weeks. I can't wait, so
we both like Bama. I like USC narrowly. I think
you like USC. I'll take Georgia. We agree there. Hey, Josh,
tell me about quick Trip. Brother.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
It's my lifeline right now. Fuel and me to every
single stop that we go on on this tour. In
the fall, they will fall. Don't lie tour, Quick Trip.
So the best thing about partnerships is when it organically forms.
You know, when someone who runs a major corporation hits
you up and says, hey, man, I've been washing you
so for a long time. We'd love to be a partner.
That's beautiful. That's what Quick Trip was for me. So,
(41:42):
I mean you see him all over the place in
the South, you see him a little bit more in
the Midwest, spreading the footprint a little bit. But I mean,
you can get gas in any gas station, Colin. It's
the cold brewing tap. For me, it's walking in there
and having thirty seven different kinds of col brew and
you fill it up and you're on your way. It's
been a beautiful partnership.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Good see anybody, Good see youmen. The volume
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sharpest young boys in college football, Josh Paate. I love
having him on. I got to tell you, through the years,
when I talked to most of my sources aren't players
(00:44):
or coaches. They've always been executives. Because I probably absurdly
of Oa's fashion myself is, if I didn't do this,
I'd want to be a GM, not a coach, not
a player. I like all the architecture of building stuff,
and when you talk to them about players. I remember
when Josh Allen came out of Wyoming and I would
(01:04):
talk to gms and they're like, Okay, did you see
the throw against You know it wasn't against Oregon or Iowa.
There's a throw and it was It's remarkable how often
it's a play, a moment, a drive, and a scout
goes Okay. The Penn State game for Sam Darnold at
the Rose Bowl, that's the one everybody went, whoa, whoa,
this is this is different Fernando Mendoza. So first of all,
(01:29):
he was going to go to Yale. He settled on
col So the kids obviously in Indiana's a good school.
So we know he's got brain power. We know he's
six five, we know all that stuff. That last drive
on the road, Penn State couldn't run.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Face.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
The defense made three throws, the one in the back
of the end zone. Like I'm like, okay, that's a
Sunday player. That's not normal. That's Herbert at Oregon, you know,
carrying average people around him. Not average. But cause I
think I think Indiana's got good players. They don't have
Ohio State guys. Maybe, But I watched that drive and
(02:07):
I'm like, oh, he has to come out. That's the
number one player in college football. I don't care about
Ohio State's linebackers and corners. That's the impression it had
on me. It was just sitting on the couch going,
oh my god, this looks like Sunday. What was your
takeaway on it?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I thought it was there are very few moments like this,
but I was watching it in an airport. First off,
seeing a big sporting moment, seeing a big football moment
in an airport, it's always unique because it's really a
unique setting and you're not there often if you cover
the game. So that was number one, was just to
take away of how surreal it is that Wow, the
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entire world's fixated on Indiana football in this moment. I
thought it was one of those moments where you see
someone come of age, like you know someone's got potential
and then all of a sudden, it just happens. And
sometimes it's just a moment, like sometimes guys just hit
a lucky shot or make a lucky throw, but it's rare.
You don't get lucky three times like that on the
(03:02):
same drive. It's something that's in you. It's potential you have.
And it's not that he hasn't shown flashes. If you're
paying attention to college football, he knew about him. If
you're paying attention to the Mott drafts, you know about him.
But you've been waiting for that. Okay, So like thought
you were talking about scouting there. I've always sort of
disagreed with the approach of boiling down a player in
(03:24):
your mind to like highlight culture like I think of
one or two grows. I've always wanted to shave the
best and the worst off and take what's in the middle,
and that's the player, and that's hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of plays. But with Mendoza, he's lesser known to
the general public. You just I guarantee you there's a
whole army of college football fans out there that know
the name Fernando Mendoza and they know he's the quarterback
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in Indiana. They probably hadn't even watched him a whole lot.
That was when they saw him, and that that matters
for your Heisman crowd, But that also matters for that
locker room. It's one thing to go in there when
thirty eight to ten, like A and M just went
and took care of Missouri and Marcel Reid didn't have
to do on that Saturday what Fernando Mendoza did, and
I just could not help. But in the moments afterwards,
(04:09):
go back to Oregon. Last year, Oregon just goes wire
to wire undefeated. Yeah, Dad, one like close games early
before they got their act together, and they go undefeated
and they're totally clean, and they go in the playoff
first round by and then they get Ohio State and
they just get drug And that was the first time
they really tasted their blood. And Indiana looked like they
were on a trajectory to maybe do that, and instead
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they didn't have to suffer the consequences of loss, but
they dealt with something. They dealt with having a crawl
over broken glass to get a win. And I mean,
I'm never going to be in a major college football
locker room as a player, but I cannot imagine what
that flight home was like. I can't imagine what it's
like to look in the mirror. Man as him, Just
look in the mirror. Everyone's been talking you up. But
sometimes there can be a little imposter syndrome, there can
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be a little silk doubt. There can be none of
that with him anymore. It was amazing to watch.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, a great second half. Penn State marched up and
down the field with their backup quarterback over and over
and over, and you were like, oh my, we got,
we got I almost tweeted who's your daddy. I was
so close to the play on words. I was like,
we're gonna We're gonna get an upset. And then he
took that ball and I was just like, Wow, that's impressive.
(05:19):
You know. The this weekend Oklahoma Bama, I like Bama, Iowa,
USC take the points. I think it's twenty seven to
twenty six either way. Iowa was a tough matchup on USC, Texas, Georgia.
I'll take Georgia. When the rankings came out this week,
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I want to talk about Kaylen de Bor. That's all
I want to talk about. So I said, when when
Saban left and Kaylen de Borg took over, I said,
that's the greatest handoff in the history of college football.
Generally you give it to somebody on the staff because
that's what the players want. It doesn't work where you
bring in somebody and the culture doesn't work. He's just
a winning guy. And Kaylen de boor Sioux falls, Fresno State,
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but Washington he was twenty five and three. People assumed, well,
it's Bama. He didn't have to rebuild anything. I said, no,
the time out. Now it's a whole different ballgame. This
is Bama Nil as a whole different ballgame. Secondly, he
is different than Nick and there's gonna be things He
likes coordinators he does doesn't. I'm like he was almost
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punished because everybody thought Nick handed him a Rolls Royce
and I'm like, no, he handed him a used Rolls Royce.
It wasn't as dominant as it was two years earlier.
Georgia now had as good or better players, and the
nil world had changed. Texas now could just buy players.
So if you watch Bama and you watch Kaylan de
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Boor with quarterbacks, I think Ohio State's the best team
I've seen. I think Bama's two. I think Bama is
the second best team in the country. I don't think
Indiana White has the personnel, and M's beaten a lot
of teams that fire their coaches, so I'm not quite
sure I buy that. Yet they haven't played like ol
(07:09):
Miss Oklahoma. George Obama, what do you make of Kaelin
de Boor, the doubters, the critics, and where they are.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, a lot of the doubt and the criticism
was just folks wanting Alabama to fall off. It's been
a long time since you could really take reasonable shots
at Alabama. And I grew up in the South, so like,
I know the vibe about Alabama around the South. So
there's some of it where people are kind of wish casting,
they're hoping that they're right about doubting Kaylen de Bor.
And then there was another crowd that just flat out,
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you know, thought that he took, like you said, a
seamless baton handoff and it should be full stride in
any kind of fall off, any kind of looking at
the clock, and oh we're off pace a little bit.
That indicates that he's an impost. And then you get
to backfill with all these pre cooked theories people have
in the South about how well, if you're not from here,
you can't recruit here, and how's he going to recruit Alabama?
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And he didn't know this place, he didn't know the culture.
So you know, the same stuff they said about Brian
Kelly ended up being valid not because he wasn't from
the South. It's because he didn't work to the degree
you need to work at light. So the thing about
Kaylan is the style he won with at Washington's what
you need to pay the most attention to. The twenty
twenty three Washington season, what they have like seven to
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one possession wins or something like that. So they were
winning a bunch of close games, but there's so much
there's some randomized nature to that. But when you get
a big sample size of one possession games and you're
that good in one possession games, there's more than just
luck to that that skill. Bama had been used to
win in forty two to ten, and so he's come
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down here, and even in the games where they're winning,
it's it's a lot of what he did at Washington.
It's one possession games, and it aggravates people so much
because they want to run for two hundred and fifty
yards and they can't run the ball this year, and
yet they're still scaling their offense despite not being able
to run the ball, which I think is the biggest
feather in the cap of time. Simpson, Mendoza's doing it
with a ground game, Julian's doing it with a ground game.
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Bamaca't run, and Ty Simpson still does it. That's all
I would say about him if I were promoting him
for the Heisman. But debor year one in that building
this week, Colin a year ago they were in the
thick of the playoff race. They're going to go to Oklahoma.
They get their doors blown off, blown off. That was
really when the ant bed got kicked. That's really when
all the rumors started spilling out. That's when all the
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you know, the truth started getting dealt because they didn't
feel like they had anything left to play for. So
you start hearing some grumbling and you start really finding
out how oil and water that building had been. Some
of the old guards, some of the new guard. And
he walked in, and I want to remind everyone he
walked in. It the weirdest possible time maybe in the
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recent history of college athletics, because he takes the job.
Saban retires and it was weird, like an early January
kind of thing. So he takes the job, and the
portal opens for thirty days, but they can't take They
can only lose for thirty days, and you patch it
up as best you can't. Julian saying, was there by
the way he leaves? Caleb Downs was there he leaves. Well,
(10:10):
then you go through spring ball and I remember talking
to him about this after it happened, and he didn't
make any excuses. I was almost trying to make excuses
for him. But it was a situation where you had
to run your spring practice knowing that after spring ball,
when you really want to get down guy's throats and
you want to try and install as much culture as
you can, they could just leave. There's a post spring
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portal window and they could bail on you. These aren't
your players. You didn't recruit them. How are you going
to have a roster going into the season. So they
had to kid glove their way through springball a little bit.
And even then, like you get to the fall and
you're kind of you're trying to build the plane in
the air, and it used to be a nice plane,
and so no one's going to accept any kind of
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turbulence up there. And that Oklahoma game is where it
really came undone a little bit, and that's where you
really started hearing it. So it's so crazy to fast
forward a year from now. It just so happens to
be they're in the thick of it again. Oklahoma's coming
in again. I'm interested that you said you like Bama
because a lot of people like Oklahoma. This week. I
love Bama this week. I'm interested in why it is
(11:13):
you like Bama because I got one reason.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, I guess my take is I think I think
the offensive coaching at Bama. I tend to believe that
offensive coaches are tinkers. So I think Deborr and his coordinator,
you know, like when they went to Georgia, you're like, oh,
that's a that's a perfect game plan. I think defensive
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coaches venables tend to have this is what we are,
and we're just going to be more forceful. I tend
to think with defensive teams, you often get what you get,
and you get it by like week four. I think
offensive coaches Ryan Day is a great example. Last year, God,
you watched the Michigan game, then a week later you
watch Tennessee, and then a week later you watch Oregon.
You're like, oh shit, they didn't peak until the second
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week of the playoff. They're tinkers. Chip Kelly was always that,
he was always tinkering. So I tend to think Alabama
is just getting better. They're just every week. I feel
like they're two possessions better. Whereas I feel kind of
like I know what Oklahoma is. I've seen the best
of Oklahoma that's very good, But I think zero ten
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being the best one being not good. I think Alabama
is about a seven. I think they're going to get
to about an eight and a half. Now Ohio State's
a nine, and they may just stay there. But it's
why I think Bama's the second best team in the country.
I think they've got a tinker as a coach. I
watched them at I watched them at Washington. Just manipulate,
Tinker improve Anyway, that's my take is that I think
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four weeks ago I may have felt differently. I think
the offensive coach over the defensive culture.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I like Bama, So I'm with you. They are beating
people on Saturday a lot. Staff wise, they are. They
got one of the best stats in the country offensively, especially,
So here's what's interesting about that. If you watch the
LSU game last week, they're coming out of a by Theoretically,
you should just be shot out of a cannon. We're
ready to peak in November they won twenty to nine.
(13:15):
I think it was if you watch the game, you
saw how much meat was left on the bone. Offensively,
you saw how much like just off the fingertips type
explosive passes they missed on. And I think that is
part one of the separation. Saturday, you just you focus
on precision and accuracy all week after a game like that.
And then number two, Oklahoma's real hallmark is they can
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shut you down running the ball. I'd almost feel more
uncomfortable for Alabama if part of their offense was built
on the ground game. They already don't do anything on
the ground. Lesser teams have shut them down running the ball.
So what Oklahoma's built to take away you can't take
away from Obama because they already don't do it. And
yet they still scale their passing game anyway. And the
two other offenses that they've seen that can do through
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the air what bamacam or Ole miss and Tennessee and
I think one of them through for three nineteen and
the other one through for three eighty or something like
that against them. So it's going to be a real
high profile game. It'll be a good fight. I think
Alabama's gonna have one in the thing by double digits
in the end.
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Let's talk about it so Iowa can make things difficult
for your past game as usual, well coached, have a
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handful of NFL bodies above average offensive line. I think
one of the things I noticed about Illinois about Notre
Dame and Northwestern did it to a degree last week.
You can run right at USC. Northwestern did it. There's
things they've gotten better at their cornerback play. Like with USC,
you can see the coaching and their offense now is
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a walk on, true walk on freshman running back because
they're all beat up and it hasn't hurt their running
game at all, which is remarkable. Jade and Mayava most
improved quarterback in college football. I just can't even believe
what I'm watching. Two years ago I watched them at UNLV,
I'm like, he's a runner. I didn't even throw it then.
Last year at USC, I'm like, I don't like him
throwing it, especially over the middle of the field. I
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don't trust him. Now, I'm like, that's a second round
draft pick. That's a real quarterback. I think Iowa was
a really tough matchup. I also think they play Oregon
the next week. Chance to look ahead, any chance in
your eyes Iowa b TESTC.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Sure there is. I'm looking at a forecast and we're
get we got heavy rain in La Saturday. I don't
know what's happening. So the only thing that changes, the
only thing that changes about the game that they played
last week against Oregon is the venue at about twenty
five degrees. And that's your forecast for Saturday. So you know,
you would think yourself, Oh, that heavily favors Iowa. Who knows,
Maybe it does. I just know if I'm USC, I'm
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drawing heavily on the fact that I ran it for
two twenty plus against Michigan, I ran it for over
two hundred on the road against Nebraska, and I watched
Oregon run it for two sixty against Iowa last week.
So yeah, are they gonna run on us? Probably? Iowa
runs the ball to a certain extent on everyone. But
the difference is now we think we can run it.
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It's been proven that you can run it on them.
And I mean, look, at some point, if you're gonna
exist and thrive in the Big ten, you gotta do
what Organ did last week. You gotta win a Big
ten game. I thought the most impressive thing Oregon did
was they played Iowa's game and beat Iowa. Playing Iowa's game, yeah,
they're gonna drag you in there. The weather's not gonna
help already, but I was gonna drag you in there.
(17:50):
You just you gotta be able to come out of
there cut up and bleeding all over the place, but
holding a w because you're not gonna finesse your way
through the Big Ten. What you can do is you
can hit a couple of explosive plays in the process
of playing that style of ball. But I agree with
you final score projection, I agree with you. Now turnovers
can be the difference there. So there's a lot a
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lot higher variance when you play a condensed kind of
game like that. I actually think Southern cow is going
to find a way to get the job done. If
they don't, though, do you understand you understand I hope
everyone else understands how big a hinge moment this is
for Lincoln, because if they win it, it's super Bowl
time in Eugene. It's playoff on the line, big ten
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stuff on the line. If they lose this Saturday, that's
a three loss team almost inevitably headed for a fourth loss,
at which point you know what the noise is going
to sound like around there.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah. No, I've said this, you know, and I've said this.
Once college football the playoff is expanded to twelve teams,
all these romantic rivalries are in doubt, and I got
a lot of angry bonds. As I said, I would
reconsider the Notre Dame. I would go to Notre Dame
(19:04):
if I was Jen Cohen, because what's interesting here, Josh.
If they beat Iowa, and I think they will, I'm
gonna go twenty seven twenty six, twenty eight, twenty seven
and lose to Oregon, they would make the playoff had
they not played Notre Dame and then they'd stuck in Fresno,
they'd have a close loss on the road to Illinois.
(19:25):
And I think they'll be competitive against Oregon. Although Oregon
hits on a lot of big plays in USC gives
up big play, so it's kind of a weird matchup.
But they would make the playoffs with two losses because
they'd have enough impressive wins. So you know, my take
on USC Notre Dame is Jen Cohen should go in
and say you need it more than we do. We're
in the Big ten. I don't need another cold weather
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opponent in November. We'll play you every other year has
to be in September. We can start in Notre Dame.
But I'm not playing you late. I'm not doing that.
I'm gonna squeeze you between Georgia Southern and Fresno State.
I'm not playing yet after Ohio State and before Oregon
get lost. But it is interesting because I think USC
is gonna win, and I think they're gonna be competitive
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against Oregon, although Oregon's receiving core may be healthier. But
I said, I think I told you this. Lincoln Riley
is Matt Lafleur. I know he's smart, he's on the
right side of the ball. He's good with quarterbacks, play
designer to play caller, gets a little prickly with the media.
I don't know if he's a culture guy. I like
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everything else. I know he's smart, I know he played designs.
I've watched every snap at USC. I know Lincoln's bright.
Don't know if he's got that Vrabel Harbaugh of Chris
Peterson culture building thing. Not sure if he does, but
I think they'll win it. Texas at Georgia, this just
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feels like Georgia arch Manning has played better. Georgia's note
is dominant is two years ago. I think the whole
nil things given us some Texas techs, and it's peeled
back on the dominance of SEC teams at the top.
I like Georgia, what say you?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I got to also just before I talk about the
game man the conference expansion stuff specifically for the SEC.
I don't really know that people fully appreciate what this
has been like down here. Do you have any idea
what it's like to watch Texas come into Athens, Georgia
on a Saturday night and the same time you got
one broadcast network having all these games. By the way,
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four hours earlier, you will have watched Oklahoma go into Alabama.
And that used to be like once a decade out
of conference stuff, not just conference rotation, just conference games,
really crazy, just in the best of ways. So if
I were to have told you in July and you
don't know anything about the upcoming season, I just told you,
all right, Colin Texas Georgia is gonna be a big
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time games second week of November. I'm guaranteeing you the
game is going to come down to quarterback play. How
would you have felt about that edge wise in July,
because I think that's how the game boils down. And
I don't think we're going to go the way on
that answer that we would have in July unless we
think the sample size from the last couple of games
of arch Manning is a sign that that thing that
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you hope happens in week one is finally happening. But
it's happening in week twelve. Now. If it is, Texas
can go in there, because Texas pressures the quarterback way
more than Georgia does. So gun Stockton's got a bigger
hill to climb here then Texas does and arch Manning does.
But if that thing that seems to happen every year
in November with some player where he just finally finds
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his group, if that's happening with arch Manning, the most
important thing in this game is tackles in space, in
yards after catch. I think it was Matt Vogel. You
want to get proper credit. I think it was Matt Vogel.
I saw that put out a stat that these two
quarterbacks are number one and number two in the league
and passes behind the line of scrimmage, which stands to reason.
They recruit great athletes. They want to get the ball
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to him quick, get it in space, make someone miss.
So that's probably where this game gets decided. I just
wonder to myself, I watched Texas get two shots at
Georgia last year and they get physically just bent twice.
Not supposed to happen when you recruit and developed like Texas.
It was a very very big pride shot I thought
for them. Yeah, And so you know, they're eleven and
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three in conference games since joining the league. Two of
the losses were last year to Georgia, and now they
get another shot at them. And the reason I'm leaning
Georgia in the game is I can make you a
case for Texas. I just think at some point as
a staff, you got to show me, like, as the
overall MO of a program, I know what Georgia and
Kirby is I never have to question that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's crazy that you think to yourself, or I think
to myself. This far into the sark tenure, there's still
a lot we haven't figured out about what Steve Sarkesian's
Texas is. That's why knights like that are so important
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I think that's perfectly put and it's really interesting. Mac
Brown's teams I think had a better identity. Sometimes Texas
can be pretty. They can be pretty. I've said this
when USC and Texas played. I was at that game.
(24:18):
That was the most beautiful college football game of all time.
The sunset, the Rose Bowl, burnt orange, USC, the best
looking fans.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean it was you had to be at seven
to even get a ticket to the game.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It was Everything about the game was beautiful. It wasn't
the most physical game. It was just beautiful sports. Reggie
and Leonard and Vince and I've said that before. Maybe
it's because La is a pretty town in Austin is
music and food, but there is I know exactly one
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of the first things. The Packers right now are a
broken team, and I'm like, what are they?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And I look at sarks Texas team, and I my
take is they're really talented, but I'm not sure exactly
what they are. And like Marcus Freeman takes over Notre
Dame an hour later, I'm like, oh, they're physical there.
This is gonna be like an uglier version of Brian's teams.
They are physical, they seek contact. The backs are like
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Notre Dame has an absolute identity under Marcus Freeman. It
is smart. I mean, they're always smart, smart, physical, punishing.
They're gonna they want to run right between the tackles.
It's yards after contact, it's fight for every yard. I
don't know what Texas is good, talented, I don't know
what they are.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You know, what's totally fair to say about them the
exact same thing you just said about Lincoln. To this point,
it's fair to say the same thing about Sark. I
love the dude to death. I actively pull for him,
but there is a big difference. I mean, he's a clinician,
as a play caller, as an offensive mind. There are
very few that could even hang in a conversation with him.
(26:01):
But he's not the offensive coordinator alone there, he's the
head coach, and so you know, I'm looking at everything
that trickles down from the top, and if we're asking
that question this far in, look, maybe there's still some
development that happens there. I could say the same thing
about Lincoln. I know, those guys are old relative to
football minds, and they've been around a while. I mean, look,
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Saban didn't win his first national title until he was
in his early fifties, and then he won seven of them.
So it's not the craziest concept that guys may still
be learning on the job a little bit, no.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I mean I talked to Tom Telesco as a GM
for the Chargers for years and the Raiders briefly, and
he said, it's a benefit in the NFL if you
hire a head coach who's great schematically. He goes to
Shanahan and Andy, he goes, you're really hiring CEOs. Well,
it's easier to be a CEO at fifty five than
forty five, like so much of I mean, Texas is
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a pro job. I mean, especially now with Nil, it's
like a pro job. I mean you're dealing with is
It's just a different ballgame than than even USC. Texas
is bigger, and you know, I think you're you're you're learning.
I think it's like in life, everybody gets better. I
remember Patrick Mahomes saying the light went on year three
and you're like, you were the MVP year two, and
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he's like, yeah, but everything's slowed down in year three.
So I think that I think that's I don't even
think it's a criticism of Sark. I think it's a reality.
Is he's just getting better at it. So Lane Kifton.
I've known Lane for a long time and I think
Lane's smart. I think he's again gotten better and better.
I made this argument is that you can bounce around
ole Miss Lsu. You can bounce around they're all. I
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mean these guys these days. If ole Miss can pay ten,
LSU pays eleven, there's less pressure at ole Miss. I'd stay.
I'd stay ole Miss. It's Oxford's beautiful that I said.
I think actually he could be an NFL coach and
like Harball, he'd walk into the sport for the first
three years. He knows all these players way better than
your GM does. Also, like a Miami to because of
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the contractual situation, is going to be your quarterback for
a year, but you probably got to draft your next quarterback,
and most of these guys are second round quarterbacks. Well,
he knows nuss Meyer, and he knows Simpson, he knows
all these guys. South Carolina kid, he knows all of them.
So by the second round, nobody's going to know those
quarterbacks better than Lane Kiffin. He either recruited him, played them,
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played against him. Do you think Lane Kiffin, do you
think he's considering the NFL?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I think he is. I think several of them are.
I think there's some names considering the NFL that would
totally completely put jaws on the ground if the names
ever got public. I think these guys are always considering
the NFL. Now, you'd never get the truth out of
most of them, but yeah, I mean, look, you know,
the kind of mentality it takes to succeed at the
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highest level of college football, especially if you specialize on
a side of the ball, goes hand in hand with
the kind of mentality that thinks I could win in
the NFL. I could win on Sundays. I want to
test myself against the best. I want to see how
my offense does, and especially with Lane, like you've got
the Oakland Raiders chapter in his past. You don't think
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he wants to make good on that, dude. Yeah, I'm
a believer. I'm a believer Saban never did it. I'm
a believer he wanted to make good on the Miami
Dolphins part, like all of the other extracurriculum that comes
along with the NFL relative to college. But Yeah, I
think he would consider it. I think they actively consider
it all the time. What I don't know, and I
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think this is really what the decision comes down to,
is what do you personally value the most beyond football?
Like some guys hate recruiting and they're looking at the
first exit door to get to the NFL. Right, Others
they think it's their wheelhouse. They think that's one of
their strongest suits. They actually love being around young people.
I will never forget when I was coming out of
college down in Columbus and I heard you talking about
(29:56):
Parcels one day and you described him as a meatball
with arms. That is what stuck with me. That is
what NFL coaches look like relative to college coaches, because
you're around adults all day instead of younger adults. So
past that, Yeah, I think he is considering it.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
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You know, let me throw this at you. I had
a really smart guy tell me this, a current college coach,
and he was talking about ole Miss and the limitations.
(31:18):
He said, offensive recruits will follow the coach right, They'll
follow Sark Lane Kaitlin to offensive players. They want to
know who the coach is, what the system is. Great
defensive players, they want to go to Georgia, Texas, LSU.
Not about scheme. I want to get taken care of.
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I want to nil check. I got to play in
the trenches. That's the limitation of ole Miss. When I
asked somebody about Old Miss, they said, Lane's always going
to get offensive guys. He goes. Offensive guys follow the coach.
Defensive guys don't. He's never gonna have Georgia's defensive personnel.
He's never gonna have Bamas. He's never gonna have Ohio
(31:59):
States defensive guys. Go to the big schools. You see
all sorts of great offenses in the history of college football.
You can go to Hawaii, you go to BYU, you
can go Indiana and see a lot of the top
ten college defense.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
There's a lot of Georgia, Bama, LSU, Michigan. And so
this coach said, Lane knows he's limited. When he faces
the big dogs in the SEC, He'll have to obscore him.
He's not stopping them, and so that's just something that's
something to think about. I thought it was very very wise.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think it's been taken into consideration. And when you
do your pros and cons, there's not gonna be a
clean list under the cons for any of these jobs. Right,
So that's what you have to ask. But then what
if you're Lane Kiffin, you have to ask, all right,
but what state do I reside in? I reside in Mississippi.
The one thing that you're gonna say about Mississippi is
it pumps out NFL front future NFL front defensive talent
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every year. Now, historically they've gone to other schools, but
that's why it's been, case by case, a nightmare to
play Mississippi state role miss in certain given years because
they're just freak shows out of Scuba and Philadelphia and
Columbus and you've never heard of those places Yazoo City, Mississippi,
but they got future first round NFL draft picks coming
out of there. I would think to myself, Man, if
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I can keep enough of those guys home, I'm gonna
get the offensive guys. But like you're right, that is
the case. If I'm representing him and selfishly I want
him at LSU or I want him at Florida. I
want him at Florida because I'm saying, dude, they've got
the track record of offense, like you want Spurrier even
when Urban was there. The difference is you can get
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the defensive talent down there as well. That's what I'd
sell him on. Yes, Sark told me this when he
was at Washington.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
He said, I can get first round receivers and tight
ends and quarterbacks at Washington, it's defensive tackles. Yeah, you
can't get him in the Northwest. We just don't. We
may have one every other year who's an elite defensive tackle,
and so know that's why, you know, I just think
it's a reality of even in southern California, as great
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as that state is right now, USC, if you look
at their interior d line recruiting, there's Texas, there's no
there's an Oklahoma kid, there's a Texas kid, there's a
Minnesota kid, and not a lot of LA kids on
that defensive front. Now, Lemon the receiver lanes from Arizona.
You know, Mayava. They got in Vegas a running back
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walk on from Calabasas. USC's offensive talent. You know, it's
a lot of LA kids and West Coast kids. But no,
I think Lane's a great example of the willingness to
evolve as a human being. I think Lane today is
just a much better human being. Not that I know
him that well, but there were a lot of people
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out on Lane and he went small school one, and
I think Nick Saban deserves a lot of credit. You know,
Saban took a beat up Lane and a beat up Sark.
I mean, I tell you a lot about Nick Saban.
Those guys were not They had lost a lot of
glare in college sports.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I think. I mean that tw twenty fifteen teen he
had alone just doing a deep dive on that staff alone.
Pretty unbelievable at Alabama that Saban had. But I mean,
I remember when Lane was at Alabama. I remember when
Sark had gotten to Alabama and you're hearing the stories
behind the scenes and you're thinking to yourself, I mean, like,
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one of the greatest magician tricks that I thought about
Nick Saban when I first came to sort of see
behind the curtain is everyone watched them and they're this
machine and they're winning and so you think, oh, they're
free of all the crap that everyone else has to
deal with, and then you find out there's tons of
infighting there. All of these coaches are alphas, all of
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these coaches are type a's, and he's just it's like
herding cats, and he somehow did it. But to do
what he did for Lane Slash with Lane, to do
the same thing for Slash with Sark, that's pretty unbelievable.
But the other part of that is, at some point,
it don't matter how much someone else is trying to
help you if you don't want to help yourself. So yeah,
a ton of credit to Nick Saban. Absolutely, it's not
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like Kiffin's having to rediscover himself at Public's like he is.
He is coaching major college football. But at some point
you got to look in the mirror and realize, I'm
a full grown adult, like it's up to me. And
thankfully he did that.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Finally, what if Ohio State wins the Natty? I think
their defense is insane. I think it's I mean that
it's really really good. Well, Hi, you're going to have
a Michigan, Ohio State, Ohio State. What's going to be
the feeling in the South. If Ohio State wins third
straight Big Ten championship, what are we going to say
in college football?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Existential crisis? And a lot of people will paint it
like a lot of people are going to say the
Big Ten and the SEC. I'll look at it as
Michigan and Ohio State. That's what I'll look at it as.
The same way as I always thought it was really
dumb when South Carolina fans beat their chest and chanted SEC.
When Bama and LSU or win a national championships, it's
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Bama and LSU and then mix Georgia in. Those are
the teams winning the national titles. Now, look, I'm not
gonna speak ill of the overall competitive depth of the SEC.
No one needs to teach me about that. But if
I'm looking at the state of affairs in the SEC, like,
what does it mean if the Big Ten has the
best team in the country this year, maybe even one two,
(37:29):
and then for all we know the SEC has three, four, six, nine,
and ten, I think it speaks that there's incredible competitive
balance but also competitive top to bottom in the SEC.
There are taller mountain peaks in the Big Ten. That's
not a crazy concept to me, people will make a
much bigger deal about it than should be made about it.
(37:50):
What I'll ask is, what kind of praise does Ryan
Day deserve. We're right in the middle of it, so
this all could be moot. But that guy lost so much,
and you have Penn State ungodly money to take your
defensive coordinator, and what you improved defensively just happened Chip Kelly.
You lose Chip Kelly, and anyone would have taken that job,
(38:12):
by the way, and you're in a position where you
can promote from within. Uh. It just I cannot speak
highly enough of the job they've done there. And they're
playing like their lives are on the line every week,
the same way sabans Bama teams used to.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Look. I'll say, Julius say, nobody's talking about him because
he's not coming out right, he's young, right, And Mendoza
and Dante More and his conference are getting deserved love.
And Jaden Mayava, Like the quarterback play in the Big
Ten since you brought those Pac twelve schools in has
gone way up very quick. I mean even Mendoz is
from cal So It's like the one thing the Pac
(38:48):
twelve brought to the Big ten was quarterback play, like
it's just better. Julian Sand is something else, right, I
mean he is really really good. And even if you
go back to that Texas game in the opener, Arch
got all the love. It was like Julian just like
I mean you, even though he was home, It's like
(39:10):
he's the nervous one. Arch Mannings, as I told you,
Thanksgiving with the Mannings is an event, like Julian Sand
was like Arch manning Texas National TV where I was like,
holy shit, that kid is good. He's really really good player.
I think he was a five star kid too, so
it's not shocking.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I think also if you remember back to the spring,
it was presented in Columbus as this is a legitimate
quarterback battle. Sometimes they be on quarterback battle, Okay, so
a lot of times it's not the case. I think
that was an authentic quarterback battle. It wasn't. It wasn't
that he was a sure fire three years from now
(39:48):
first round NFL draft pick kit in spring. But where
he is is he's sitting there in the most fertile
developmental soil in college football, and so he's got god
given ability that's you can match. But he's developed week
over week, Like you can look at the progression. It's
almost linear, which is a hallmark of the best coaches
and the best programs. That's why the same ones continue
(40:10):
to win over and over again. But like week one
and then week two, in the week six and then
week nine, and you're looking at him and you're saying, wow,
And that's the first year of him. They get one more,
remember the other one or two. But yeah, he's been
pretty incredible to watch.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah. And by the way, those two receivers, Oh my god,
I joke there day. Just if you're an NFL GM,
just draft a wide receiver from Ohio State every year.
Your depth chart will be fine. Just take only Buck
Eyes because I mean, Harrison's now playing better and Buka
is amazing. Jas N's incredible. This Carneal Tait, I mean,
(40:48):
he's the overshadowed one. He's the two man body, unbelievable hands,
grip on the football, forceful. Yeah, Ohio State's goods. I mean,
I don't know if Indiana could compete. I think Ohio
State's really good. Josh Pate, the Josh Pate Show, we
(41:08):
do this every couple of weeks. I can't wait, so
we both like Bama. I like USC narrowly. I think
you like USC. I'll take Georgia. We agree there. Hey, Josh,
tell me about quick Trip. Brother.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
It's my lifeline right now. Fuel and me to every
single stop that we go on on this tour. In
the fall, they will fall. Don't lie tour, Quick Trip.
So the best thing about partnerships is when it organically forms.
You know, when someone who runs a major corporation hits
you up and says, hey, man, I've been washing you
so for a long time. We'd love to be a partner.
That's beautiful. That's what Quick Trip was for me. So,
(41:42):
I mean you see him all over the place in
the South, you see him a little bit more in
the Midwest, spreading the footprint a little bit. But I mean,
you can get gas in any gas station, Colin. It's
the cold brewing tap. For me, it's walking in there
and having thirty seven different kinds of col brew and
you fill it up and you're on your way. It's
been a beautiful partnership.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Good see anybody, Good see youmen. The volume
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