Colin Cowherd Podcast - Micah Parsons Immediate Impact, Purdy Impressive, Dolphins Are DONE, Bo Nix Was BAD, START Jaxson Dart - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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So let's start Packers twenty seven Lion six. There were
two things in the office a season that worried me.
They hired within the building. They lost two great coordinators,
Ben Johnson Aaron Glenn hired within the building. It was

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an auspicious debut by the coordinators. The second thing that
worried me rebuilding the old line. They have really pushed
people around for the last several years. Up front they
averaged two point two yards of carry on the road. Also,
if you take Ben Johnson and McVeigh out of Jared
Goff's career, you know those are two whiz kids. So

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we can get to Mike in a second. Let's talk
to Troy. They were not really that competitive. They didn't
get push up front. The rebuild of the old line
is a complete work in progress. Not clever offensively. This
is my problem with You know, you have an opening
at a company, Let's hire within the company. This is
the NFL, there's thirty two teams. Lions are elite, Go

(02:13):
get the best oc. What was your first impressions of
Detroit's offense.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, I think you're the first guy i've ever seen
that made a grand proclamation after the Hall of Fame game,
and you were right, they were a mess. I thought,
you know, Colin, were a little early. But one thing
was clear watching the Jets today is Aaron Glenn's a
pretty special motivator.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now, I do think replacing the defensive coordinators are hard,
and a lot of times it does happen internally. I
mean the forty nine ers did it once upon a
time with Solids a demico. I think that's what Dan
so I don't have a problem with that one. But
anytime you hire basically a first time coordinator fifty five
years old in a day and age we're thirty something,
ocs are all over the pros in college just because

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you know this guy. And all I kept hearing was
he's Sean Payton guy. He's John Gruden's guy. It's like,
why didn't they make him as coordinator over the years,
they never did so to me calling plays, most people
in the NFL, if you got him on a whiteboard,
would blow you away with their knowledge. But there is
something instinctive about a play caller about knowing when to
call plays, and today they look like a mess. Now

(03:16):
you know where I stood. I thought the Packers are
going to be good this year. Game was in Green Bay.
They were very motivated. How crappy they were last year,
especially in the division. This was a huge game for them.
Remember the Lions, you know, beat him twice last year,
so it historically Lions never won in Green Bay, so
I would say Green Bay had a lot to play
for it. But yeah, I mean it was it was ugly.

(03:38):
I listen. I mean, if Jordan Love's gonna play like
he did in the first half, they would beat a
lot of teams calling. I mean, he was like twelve
to sixteen through a couple of touchdowns. He looked like
twenty twelve or thirteen Aaron Rodgers, and I think the
way he was playing, the way Lafleur was calling plays,
their wide receivers were making plays. Yeah, they would have
beat this version of the Lions last year with the
coordinators I think today.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, and you know the I will say this about
Green Bay's defense. Micah opened it up for other players.
That was pretty obvious. He got a sack late. But
I do think his mere presence, and I think you
see this all the time. If McCaffrey's behind Brock Purdy.
It's a different offense whether he touches it or not.
And I think with Micah Parsons in the game, van

(04:21):
Ness had more opportunities. I just thought, to me, it
was like very obvious that the Lions went into this
game and the staff talked about listen when you see
Micah on the field, know where he's at. That's what
it felt like to me.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I do think I'm not going to ride out the
Lions just yet because this was a road divisional game
and this was I mean, they got their ass kicked.
If this would have been in Detroit, I would be
completely out. I'm gonna give him a little bit of
grace here, but you're right. The offensive line, to lose
your center, to lose a big time guard, they've really
hung their hat on that right the last three years. Yeah,
best offensive line of league, best offensive line the league.

(04:58):
The quarterback can't move. He's really the last of a
dying breathe. Right. You watch college football, they all can move.
You watch the NFL. All these quarterbacks can move. Watching
Darnold and Perty today and they're average athletes, right, So
a guy like that is something we would have seen
fifteen twenty thirty years ago. They don't exist anymore. So
when you can't protect Goff is a sitting duck. And

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that is the one thing where a great play caller
can't help him out. And I think Johnny Morton, I
was like, God, that name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, he
was the wide receiver coach on all those Harbaugh teams
with the forty nine ers. Yeah, well that everyone was
getting jobs. Then how are people interested in If that
guy couldn't get a job off that staff, pretty big
red flag. And honestly, it couldn't come back to buy
Dan Campbell big time. If this is if that's the

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display that we're going to see throughout the season, they'd
be in major trouble come because that division is too good.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, well it was funny.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I had Green Bay's playoff team but in second place
all off season. Then I finally flipped it and put
green Bay winning the division. And I think the thing
that I really came back on is if you looked
at Green Bay with all the injuries they had to
Jordan Love and all the youth they had at tight
end and wide receiver, and they're still winning double digit games.

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I mean, they won games with Malik Willis, who got
thrown onto the squad in like.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
August last year.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And it's like that tells you organizationally and coaching, they're
a pretty special group. Plus their defensive coordinator now gets
a second year that we've seen that a lot where
it's a second year for a coordinator. I mean, Mike McDonald.
Seahawks in year two look pretty special today at times.
So you know, I just I think Green Bay is
a great example. You know, they've they went after Charles

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Woodson or a Reggie White or a Micah Parsons. They rarely,
very infrequently go out of their comfort zone. Big trades
are big, big free agents, but they generally do it
and they're right. It's like drafting quarterbacks and big free
agent signings. They don't miss a lot, you know, from
Aaron to Brett to Jordan, you know, and when I

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watched Jordan love the one thing I like about him,
I'd compare him more to Far than I would Aaron Rodgers,
where you know, if he throws a pick, he doesn't,
it doesn't change his mood. He's kind of a let
it rip guy. He was that at Utah State.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
He is now.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
There's a certain I mean it's kind of cool when
your quarterback's young and all his tight ends and receivers
are young. Like at the end Brady was playing. You know,
he didn't have any patients for young receivers for New England,
and Aaron doesn't love playing with young, you know, tight
ends or young receivers. I get it, but Jordan loved
generationally all these tight ends and all receivers are probably

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the same music, the same tech, there's the same age.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I thought the first half he looked like the
guy that played two years ago down the stretch those
six seven games, which essentially got him a massive contract.
But the Micah Parsons move, you know, Reggie White was
a true free agent. It was the first year free
agency ever existed, so was Charles Woodson. They gave up nothing, well,
they did give up multiple first round picks. That has

(07:56):
no impact on the twenty twenty five season. So they
essentially just traded Kenny Klak straight up. Yeah, for Michah
Parsons this season. So you're watching them, they get a
huge upgrade in terms of the edge. You could tell.
I mean Micah, I know he was working out on
the side in ox Nard and with the Cowboys. He's
not in football shape because he hasn't been playing football,
but I would imagine by October. Yeah, I mean, can
you imagine him and Gary coming off because Gary is

(08:18):
much more kind of a complete rugged Yes, you know
defensive line presence, Well, Mike, is that true? Ferrari off
the edge and this coach. You know, I don't know
if Hafley's going to get an NFL job. It's a
little more difficult sometimes for defensive coaches. But he's going
to be a number one candidate in college. Yeah right,
I mean some of the big power for school. I mean,
he's a big time coach who's putting a pretty impressive

(08:38):
resume on the defensive side, a place where the Packers
have not been good coin Yeah, I mean they haven't
been good for a long long time on outside.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Of the That's why I defended the Micah Parsons move.
It's like, when's the last time you got a consistent
dominant edge rusher. They just don't do it. And it's
interesting because through the years they've spent their first round
picks on defensive players, but the problem is they're always
so good. It's generally late first round and that's kind
of no man's land, so that you know you're getting
the safety or the corner or you know, the outside

(09:07):
linebacker who's like the twenty fourth best you know prospect.
Well that you're paying at first round salary for a
guy that's gmsfer you take in the second round. So
that's the that's the downside to being excellent. Is there
draft picks in the first round or late? I just
I look at Green Bay as a place where Mike
and I heard some things, you know, last year about

(09:29):
Micah off the field.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
And not great in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
A lot of that stuff came out when ESPN threw
a slew of excellent reporters on it. My take was,
that's that's Dallas leaking stories to cover their face, right,
cover their ass on the trade and make Micah look bad.
But Mike is going to work in Green Bay. Mike
is going to be there.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
He's by the.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Way, he got a in the first half. First of all,
his introduction, it was like a Super Bowl introduction. Then
in the first half he got a good rush. He
just got he didn't get anybody, but a good rush.
The crowd right crazy. So he's gonna love that for
the next six months he is going to be, you know,
the bell of the ball.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Most human beings aren't natural leaders. Whether you're a football player,
whether you work in a company, most human beings, even
at the highest level of any industry, are somewhat followers.
So you blend in to where you're at. The Cowboys
are a pretty chaotic place. I mean, it's not very
normal relative to the rest of the league. I think
if you put a lot of guys in Green Bay situation,

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how many people over the last ten, fifteen, twenty years, honestly,
even going back to far had problems in Green Bay.
It's a pretty easy place to blend in a lot
of people with the Cowboys just have it's covered a
little bit different. The owner has a unique presence, not
just in the team, but in the like you I
heard you talking last week. You have to wave to
people on tours. It's not a normal operation for the NFL.

(10:54):
He gets to be pretty low key in Green Bay. Yeah,
I mean that was nas kicking today. That really was.
But even if the Lions, I mean, if the Lions
were to miss the playoffs, let's just say this is
kind of a year from hell for them. They won
fifteen games last year, that'd be a pretty big step back,
right If you won nine eight games, that'd be a
problem and Campbell would probably have to fire this guy immediately.

(11:15):
As offense, I.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Think one of the things you said earlier Goff is,
you know, by football terms, kind of a dinosaur as
a non mobile quarterback. He was great when the rams
O line was great. As Whitworth got older, he wasn't
as dominant, and today he looked out of sorts. So
it's it's one of those things where you know, Matt
Stafford is one of the is the only guy in

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the league under pressure that can shred a defense. He
is a different cat all right. Time to look at
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I use all the time. San Francisco seventeen, Seattle thirteen.
This was a wildly frustrated game if you're a Niner fan,

(12:02):
so i'd my first take is this brock Purty had
two picks, but I thought it was one of the
more impressive outings I've ever seen for brock Purty. I
really meant that everything's going against him. You're on the road,
one of the loudest stadiums. Seattle's defense is really good
and really young. Jake Moody field goal missed, field goal blocked,

(12:23):
So there's frustration. George Kittle gets hurt. Trent Williams, you've
heard of the Blue Man group. The Niners have a
blue tent group. They got old dudes. The head of
the blue tent a lot, and I thought twenty six
of thirty five two seventy seven a great last. Right, Well,
it's amazing that touchdown passed to the tight end Tyreek Woohlan.

(12:44):
Really when he let it go, you were like, oh
my god, this is a terrible throw.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
But that's the NFL.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
You have to.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Throw guys open. So he goes.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
He throws the ball into a crowd. When the balls released,
it looks like a pick. But you know the dB
got burned twice on that same drive. So my take
is the stat line two TD's two picks won't speak
well of Brock Purty.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I was really impressed.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I mean their offensive line is not great. I
mean he's running for his life. If he couldn't move,
they would be in major trouble. I mean his mobility
and keeping plays alive. I also think, and I've come
to grips with this because I remember when he came
out and he started playing well in the NFL. I
started texting around him, like how how I understand he's smaller,
but he couldn't go on the fourth or fifth round.
People thought he was an awful decision maker, which is

(13:32):
ironic because Kyle Shanahan, you'd think want a great decision maker.
He's got a little gun slinger in him. Yeah. I
always said, like, you got to play like Breeze, no
turning the ball over a little like Rogers, never put
the ball in harm's way. We're going on if you
go back to last year, how many second half interceptions
this guy throwing? And he's throwing some pretty bad ones,
and like you said, that game winning touchdown when the

(13:53):
ball left his hands, I thought, interception in interception of
the half devastating And listen, he gave his guy a chance.
He's got to be driving Kyle a little nuts. But
part of that is also the playmaking that he comes through, because,
like you said, Kittle's out early in the game. After
Kittle the first drive of the game looked like you know,
a Hall of Famer Juwan Jennings. As the game goes on,
hurts his shoulder, he's out, he's throwing to people. I

(14:14):
follow this team pretty close. I have no clue who
these guys are. I mean, who's he throwing these balls to.
Obviously Ricky Piersoll that that that looks like for as
bad as the Drake Jake Moody draft pick is, Ricky
Piersoll was fantastic. He was he was, and I'm with you. Listen,
these guys swear by brock Purdy because mentally tough does
not just go into the tank after I mean he

(14:34):
easily could have gotten into the tank after both interceptions,
and he keeps swinging h You know. McCaffrey obviously helps.
I mean he's oh a huge.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
O's amazing how often he makes four out of one?
Sha Kwan Barkley does this. We get caught up on
the big explosive run Barkley and Christian McCaffrey. I mean,
how many times was there nothing there? And he squirts
out three and a half four yards. He's so devastating.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I think the offense is very, very difficult to operate,
and Kyle is not the easiest guy to deal with
as a quarterback, and I think he has a lot. Honestly,
he should have more faith in Brock. There were a
couple of times in the middle of the games, like
they're running it right up the middles, Like, hey, every
if I on my couch know the balls going up
the middle of McCaffrey. Have some faith in this guy.
Let him make some plays, Let his mobility come out

(15:21):
to play. At the end of the game, they didn't
have a choice, and Brock came through. Now, I do
think there's a little element of luck with the touchdown pass.
I mean, that's sure. I don't know where you would
land on that. You know, it's not the greatest decision.
I know it worked. Listen, sometimes in the NFL, you
got a six four to sixty five guy, you gotta
let him have an opportunity to make a play, and
he did. Because I'm with you, I thought Rock would

(15:42):
have if they would have lost this game. Now, the
interceptions were not a deal. They had a lot of
other stuff going on that they had to fix. And
whenever you don't have a kicker, it's kind of like
having a bad bullpen, you know, having an NBA guy
that always has bad fouls like it's it's sometimes it's
hard to overcome that, and that's that's a big picture
problem for the Niners. But hey, listen, you get a
win on the road. As Greg Olsen was saying, he's like, God,

(16:02):
this place is really loud right now. It's hard to hear.
So I got to feel pretty good. Though they had
some major injuries.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, they got a little break on the touchdown. And
plus Sam Darnold goes up the left sideline for forty one.
Seattle's poised to win it. And then Darnald and this
has been one of his knocks where he brings the
ball down and up. He's got a slower release. That's
been one of the knocks. And he brings the ball
up and hits a teammate. It's on the carpet. Bosa

(16:28):
alertly picks it up. I mean, good for Bosa, but
I mean it's you know, that's a little bit of locked.
Sam fumbles it hitting a teammate because he was ready
to let it rip. So I think these teams I
took Sea. I went three and two in my blazing five.
If Donald scores there on four and one, so I
was pretty happy with it. But the truth is, when
I watched that game, the difference is in Thanksgiving, which

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team do you think is healthier? And that's been my
knock on San Francisco. I thought today it was a
must win for the Niners. I did not think it
was a must win for the Seahawks because Seattle's got
more athletes that are young. Younger athletes recover more quickly,
and over a seventeen game schedule, guys get dinged up. So,
I mean Game one, Kittle gets hurt, Trent Williams in
the blue tent. You know, mccaffree'll miss a Gamer two.

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That's the reality of this team. Wu Funga's gone, green
Law's gone. So I mean, there's like, you know, Bosa
tends to miss a game or two. So I thought
it was a I mean this to me, this was
a big forty nine er win. Everybody will go, oh,
it's the opener. It felt big to me.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh, especially with you know, felt like the kicker was
gonna blow it. I thought the big winner today for
the forty nine ers, beside Perty on that game winning
throw was Robert Salva. And you talk about coordinators, and
he was on the fence about coming out, are coming back.
There were a lot of different reports. They threw a
ton of money at the guy. Remember a couple of
years ago when the Eagles got Fangio. Fangio wanted to

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go there. He couldn't wait to get to Miami. You know,
Robert had a lot of options. He just made a
ton of money being a head coach. He could have
easily taken six months off. They were bagging him. I mean,
if the Niners hadn't gotten, they would have been in
major trouble beside Bosa. You know, Fred Warner gets stinged
up early in the game. Niners got a lot of
random guys out there running around on defense making place.
And I think Robert Sala one major question mark since

(18:12):
the Miko got the job with Houston. They went through
Steve Wilkes, who was a weird fit. They had a
guy last year who was a special teams coordinator. It
didn't work with Sorenson. And now you've got Robert Sala,
a guy that knows what he's doing. I mean, think
about the Jets defense. Hell, even the Jets defense. I
like Aaron defense getting points, but Robert Sala has proven yes,

(18:32):
you know I think we need to talk about him
as one of the better defensive Part of question isn't
even just scheme, it's it's motivation. I think he's kind
of the total package. So the Niners. He came big today.
He was awesome.

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Speaker 1 (18:58):
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
All right, let's talk Pittsburgh thirty four, Jets thirty two
in a wildly entertaining game.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I think this was.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
One of the best one o'clock window games I've ever watched.
I'm dead serious. It was fricking crazy. So let's talk
about Let's talk about Pittsburgh's win. I mean it's interesting
with Aaron, he's a statue. He got sacked four times,
he got rocked late in the fourth.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I mean it was brutal.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I didn't know if he was going to get up.
But I think his mindset with this team is, listen,
I'm gonna be the distributor. He's gonna be a little
Chris Paul. He's gonna be tough. He's occasionally gonna make
a great shot, but by and large he's going.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
To distribute lead.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I thought from that vantage point, I mean, again,
old Chris Paul can't defend like young Chris Paul, but
there is something about guidance and leadership and distribution. I
thought overall that it was about considering his immobility. It
was in his first game, and he's not been great
in openers. The last reopeners I covered with the Jets

(20:10):
and the points. But I will say I thought Aaron
overall his mindset, he said this, I am here to
elevate others and that I'm impressed with.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, especially with that defense, which they were gonna be good,
was gonna have to be a top five defense. They
got shreded today. I mean, Justin Fields looked like he
was at Ohio Statey Games. The best game ever, big time.
He didn't he was all now, didn't miss a throw. Look,
calm in the pocket, was running around like he was
Lamar Jackson. He was excellent.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
He was I'm gonna tell you something. There's a stat
he didn't have a single off target throw. I'm sitting
with great, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking I've always
been I've always said he's a bouncer on the league guy.
You can't build around him. It's the first time I've
ever watched him and went.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Oh shit, you can build around justin fields.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah. I don't know what his numbers were, but if
they had won the game, I would have problem giving
him Player of the Week. He was, you could still
give it to him. He was fantastic. One thing we
have to come to grips with the Rodgers because it's
easy to do this. Well, you got to give him
that extra year after the A kill's not the first
year after that. It's too He's he's Jared Goff. Mobility, yes,
he cam, he is. His day is moving or done. Yeah,

(21:17):
you watch Purty Darnold, even some guys the average mobility,
he's not even close to them. So that's a big
problem for him. So some of those back shoulders, you know,
or back foot throws, which he's always done, don't. The
zip's not quite the same. Still got a good arm,
but I thought some of those back foot throws that
he had in Green Bay forever where he could throw
ninety eight, probably ninety one, ninety two. Now so now

(21:40):
he's smart, he's accurate with the ball, so he's still
you know some of those you know balls around the
line of scrimmage. Get it to his guys DK let
him run. But and listen offensively, what did he account
for four touchdowns to day? He was not He was fine.
But I did watch this thinking like we have to
kind of embrace last year, like this is a new
player now well the Hall of Fame. I'm not saying

(22:01):
he's Manning and Brady just purely in the pocket, but
he's much closer to that than the guy that was
Aaron Rodgers for that's fifteen years and to me, if
they're going to be good, though, they have to be
a top light defense. Watching that game today, I know
they pulled it off. They're still playing the Jets, who
probably can end up winning six to seven games.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
They have no chance to be a good time and
they only averaged They only average two point seven yards
of carry. And this has been a problem. So Najee
Harris is gone. This has been a problem for Pittsburgh
for about six years. They have talented offensive linemen. They've
used draft capital on their offensive line. I mean the
kid from West Virginia, the center is going to be
a pro bowler, if not already. So my take is

(22:41):
this is sort of a Steeler dilemma. It's not Arthur
Smith's issue. Whatever it is. They don't run the ball. Well,
there's a way Aaron's going to have to win. I
mean the Jets, let's be honest, We're picked for fourth.
So now they may be better than that, but they
were picked for fourth. But for Aaron to work, he
needs a running game. And that was one of my

(23:02):
issues is the Steelers just haven't done that in forever.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Well, I gotta take the l on this. I like
the Iowa kid. He clearly had a disastrous training camp.
He had one carry today for negative two yards. And
you listen, he was a third round pick. Breese Hall
a second round pick. If you just watch Breese Hall today,
you went, that's an NFL running back like that guy
making guys miss, making explosive plays. You should be able
to find guys on the second day of the draft.

(23:26):
Second or third did immediately impact. Now, I understand Briese's
been in the league for a couple of years, but
the Caleb Johnson thing has been a disaster so far,
and they depended on him because Jalen Warren, he really
is a rotational scap back throwing the ball a little bit,
but he's by far their best back. They can't rely
on this other guy, Kenneth Gadwell was like a back end,
rotational guy for the Eagles, so that they do have

(23:48):
a starting running back issue well, and so like luckily
they have some you know DK that Austin's pretty explosive player, Freyerman,
they have a lot of weapons in terms of like
the past, the ball, but the running game. Like you said,
if Caleb Johnson, let's just say this year is a
disaster form not a bust or anything. But he's just
year one is a negative. Yeah, that's a problem, and

(24:11):
I think they would have to start looking around. Listen,
they're all in on this season. Do you trade for
a running back?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Watching the game, my take was before the trade deadline,
Steelers are going to look around this league. There's going
to be a good running back and a bad team,
and they're going to give up a third or fourth
round pick. But watching this game, I'm like, listen, this
Jets team is I mean, we thought they were a
lottery team next year, a top six pick next year.
We don't know if Aaron Glenn's can coach. I mean

(24:38):
Aaron glenn On the defense was a mess. So I
think the Steelers keep your eye on.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Them making a move. And I don't know who that
running back is going to be.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean it could be Breece Hall. I mean he
wants a new contract. Who knows what. If the Jets
are two and four, two and five, I will say it,
give him a third round pick, get.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Him beyond Justin Fields and Breecee Hall. The left side
of the offensive line, I mean that's what they attacked.
The left side of the jets on line was creating
big crevices, big creases. So whatever in Elaja Vera Tucker
got hurt, I thought, oh the Jets all line. What
a bomber. He former USC guy gets banged up a lot.
But they some of those holes were substantial. So and

(25:18):
you know the thing about Justin Fields is that there
are certain boxes. John, you're a former scout. If I
said there's this guy, teammates love him. Good size, really
good arm, super athletic. I mean, there's no reason he
doesn't look like this more often. I mean, we never

(25:39):
know if a guy sees the field does he process stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
We're not there. But in terms of size, whip move it.
He also plays courageously like he will collide with people.
In fact, almost to a fault. He doesn't slide. He
did once today smartly he slid. But there's when you
he was foreign to with the Steelers last year. If
you extrapolated his numbers last year, you know he was
gonna be like a ninety five quarterback rating guy, which

(26:03):
is a starter in the NFL. So I think if
you're a Jets fan, you had to come out of
this game feeling like, hey man, this this justin fields
Bresee Hall, Garrett Wilson. They found their left tackle, left
side of the offensive line, I'd be pretty optimi. I mean,
Miami is cooked, so I mean and by the way,
New England offensively looked timid, like they don't trust Drake

(26:27):
may If I'm the Jets, I come out of this
game and I'm like, no, no, we can battle for
a playoff spot. That was my big takeaway on that division.
We'll watch Buffalo Baltimore tonight. But I mean New England
they don't trust Rake may Or, they don't have the juice.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
But Miami is done.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, Miami's got awful. I mean he was already the
first guy to get fired on all the betting markets.
That thing's a lock, and that team was gonna suck
no matter what. I mean. People playing them in joint
practices like, hey, I'm not sure what's going on over there.
When you hear that, they're like, what, oh, what is this?
I do think really quick on fields. One thing we
don't talk about enough. And one when I was doing
your show down in LA I was talking with some

(27:07):
of your guys when we were getting coffee. They're like,
what's something that if you could do it over again,
you would have done differently? And I said, the one
thing I've learned, and I think this carries over to
you know, you know our business work with a bunch
of different people, is the power of character. And when
you are a quarterback, I mean, all the best quarterbacks
in the NFL their character, their character is pretty elite. Yeah,
I mean when you when you look at this group
of guys. Fields got replaced in Chicago and then the

(27:30):
situation last year in Pittsburgh handled himself, I mean incredibly well. Yes,
I mean Russell, this started leaking stuff immediately when the
season ended about Arthur Smith and pointing the figure I've
never heard a peep from Justin Fields or his people
never heard a beep, and you just watched the way
the guy's characters. Everyone has ever had high things or
good things to say about him, even when Ryan Poles

(27:51):
traded him, He's like, you know, I felt like I
owed him something, just what a good guy he is.
I've been blown away. I didn't think he was a
good enough passer, and today whatever they're doing just calmed
him down a little bit because he's already always had
the arm I think sometimes touch A lot of people
thought like when he got in the pocket he would
get He just struggled to fluidly read defenses in terms

(28:12):
of like we just it happens to a lot of guys.
Sam was a knock on Sam Darnald. Sometimes you get
to a place where people believe in you and you
can just play instead of think yeah, you know. And
I saw a guy today that was just kind of
playing yeah, and it looked very fluid a lot like
he did in college. Because his athletic and just physical
tools are pretty elite of the he had the best

(28:33):
physical tools of the group like Trevor Lawrence went number one.
He had better physical.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Tools than Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Listen, of the six boxes you check, size, movement, quality,
guy arm four of them.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
He's like an a.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
So I mean to me there there he And I
always said this, Baker and Sam Darnold, they checked too
many boxes to be busts. Justin Fields arguably checks more.
So I was really happy for him today was to
watch Speaker. Let's talk Miami, We're not going to talk
too much. Colts beat him thirty three to eight. Okay,
First of all, I've been saying this for years. I

(29:09):
like the Colts roster. They can't get the quarterback right.
When you watched the roster of Miami today against the
roster of the Colts, I'm not sure how many Dolphins
could start for Indy. The Tua Tyreek Hill thing is
done Mike McDaniel, but I won't blame him entirely. When
you have Tua as a quarterback, there's two things. You
have to have a good on line and a backup quarterback,

(29:32):
and they don't. So I think it's Chris Careers, the
general manager. A lot of this heats on him. It's
not a good enough. Yeah, he's been atrocious. I mean
you have to have a good on line with Tua,
you have to have a good on line with Jared Goff.
And so I mean Daniel Jones went seven for seven
for seven on drives. Never been done, said that, Red

(29:52):
Zone said not since nineteen ninety one. They couldn't find it.
So this goes back to Shane Steiken. There's there's two
big takeaway. Miami's done. The second one is here's Steichen
taking Daniel Jones. And I don't think Daniel's a franchise guy.
But if what I watched today in that division, they

(30:12):
could be it. They could battle for the division.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I'll start with Indy on this one one. I think
Anthony Richardson's starting career was over. I've said at the
moment they signed Daniel Jones like that, that thing was
he was in major trouble. The Dolphins secondary is on paper,
could be one of the worst in the NFL. I mean,
their corners are atrocious. And the one thing the Colts,
you know, I think we underplay their weapons because their

(30:37):
quarterback plays good. Pittman's a good player. Tyler Warren was
a top fifteen pick, could have been a top ten pick.
You know that Jonathan Tailor. They have a high end
run game, like they have legitimate offensive weapons, same with
their offensive line is good. But I would say this
about Miami, that franchise is in absolute turmoil. And when
Mike McDaniel gets fired, I have a hard time seeing

(30:59):
their owner just hiring some other random coordinator, like he's
tried it and hasn't worked. I put this out on
Twitter today. I've been thinking about this. I think he's
going to go after a big name, and last year
Ben Johnson would have fallen under a big name. I
don't even think that guy's going to be exist this year.
Who's the Mike Vrabel of this class? Sure? Tell any Belichick.
I don't don't know if you follow that story. Your

(31:19):
boy broke it, it's not looking great, But I'd say
Kirby Smart, Lane Kiffin, Ryan Day. He's going to go
after some big name college guys who maybe just go
you know what, I'm over there?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
What about Belichick got a place in Jupiter, doesn't he?
I mean, Miami loves sex appeal. All their teams do,
even the heat.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
But his bill f sex appeal. In twenty twenty six, well.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I will tell you this. I don't think he's built
for college. I said this before.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
He and Mike Lombardi are there NFL guys. I mean,
he can't, he can't draft, how can he recruit?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't think Belichick's crazy there.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
The one thing, if the owner was interested, which which
is weird because Miami actually had some success against Bill,
but obviously he had a front row seat to watch
Bill in his division forever. Bill would have to be
pretty intrigued if the owner wanted him, because he'd get
to play the Patriots, that's right, which he clearly despises.
So yeah, maybe I just think he's going to go

(32:21):
after a big name. I can't see him going after
whoever the hot coordinator is for the Broncos or the
Texans or whatever. But they are They're going to be really,
really bad. They have no shot if I mean today
two a couple times even before the game really got
it is like forcing balls. I mean, if he plays
bad that they will get blown out, no matter who
they play, well, good team, average team. If he's off,

(32:43):
they are screwed.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, and I think you have to clean out the building.
I think Tua's got a lot of character. I like him,
but there's nothing about this team I like. And again,
I think there's a gap between the best gms and
the worst, and I just don't think they're a well
run operation.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Miami fans are so funny. They get so angry.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
When you're critical, and it's like, guys, you can put
the pom poms down.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
They don't draft well, they overspend it.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Free agency, the Tyreek Hill thing. I mean, when Andy
Reid moves off somebody, when you have mahomes, it's pretty
good sign there. It's coming with baggage. There's stuff behind
the scenes you don't and he's been when Tyreek struggled,
you know, with personal stuff. I just there's nothing about
Miami right now other than like Tua's character, there's nothing
I like.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Okay, let's go back to what you said though, if
you're the owner, would you be interested in Belichick knowing
that he clearly, I mean, he's proven this now in
it's just his way, the highway. He's not listening to anybody.
He's just bringing in his people. You basically just hand
Bill the keys for like the one thing you watch
Pete Carroll to day, like he still got a lot
of juice. Yes, Pete would have been Pete could have
coached in college, could have coached in the pros. Like

(33:51):
he's he feels more like he's fifty five. You watched
Billy feels a little old. He feels really grumpy at that.
I mean he's always been grumpy. He's extra grumpy. I
mean the resent and the grudge he's holding on the
craft from like three year Bill, you went four and twelve.
Andy Reid got fired as well, same record. It's the NFL.
It happens, right, I mean Tom Landry got fired. Welcome

(34:11):
to pro football. What are you that arrogant to think
that you were just untouchable for life? But he is,
And you know, the owner of Miami maybe he's just
that desperate because they're that franchise is just I make
a lot of fun about the Jacksonville Jags. They got
more juice right now in the Dolphins. Yeah, Dolphins or
the least least amount of juice in the league. A
team that if they're just never on TV and you

(34:32):
never watch, you don't feel like you're missing anything.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
And you know what, I'm happy for Chris Baldard, who
I know a little bit, because.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
It's sad to say. There was a lot of things
in the.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Last couple of years that weren't discussed publicly but privately
in the building. Jim Orsay was creating chaos his daughters. Now,
I think will will be less intrusive, less impulsive. I
think you stay would. I think if this team could
win eight or nine games, sneaking is a maybe a
wild card team. It is I they I mean again,

(35:06):
and Daniel Jones will have a market I mean, good
god today up and down the field. So it's just
one of those things where I think, I think Chris
Pouder has been on the ropes there for years. But
when Andrew Luck retired, he found Carson Wentz, he found
Philip Rivers. They bailed water, they were viable, they were
fun to watch. Getting Daniel Jones after today look like wow,

(35:28):
I mean it will be. It looked a little like
a more athletic Philip Rivers. You know, you don't have
a great player, but you got you have a guy
that can pick up first downs. He took a shot
today to the head, scrambling off of the right Daniel Jones,
so he can move athlete, no question, Okay, let's here's
another game I want to talk about. So I thought

(35:50):
New England would be the easiest double your wind total.
Raiders beat New England twenty to thirteen. First of all,
I had a GM in the NFL text me and say, man,
are the Patriots slow and deliberate on offense? And I
texted back, I don't know if they trust Drake mate now,

(36:11):
they don't have a ton of juice. I mean, Jacoby
Meyers should be a Patriot, not a Raider. But I
will say this, and we've talked about this before about
Geno Smith. If you give Gino a little time, and
if you give Geno Smith a run game, Gino can
sit in the pocket. I thought Geno Smith made about

(36:32):
four five six throws today, big time throws, and he's
not my favorite quarterback. But I looked at the Raiders
coaching to your point, I looked at the energy of
the staff. The Raiders are going to beat teams in
their division.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, I mean, I gotta give Chip credit. He schemed
some passes day where some guys were be lining across
the field and Gino just led a rip. You're like, damn,
that was a good looking play. He had Bowers. I
mean he schemed some really good plays. Did you get
a chance at all to read some of Ty Dunn's
article on Ryan Poles and the Bears? Oh Jesus, yeah,
Well I will say this in defense of Ryan Poles.

(37:09):
On one guy in that article. It made him. It
came off like Ryan Poles and hated Drake May. Thought
he couldn't play. I thought there were times a day
that Drake May went, this is a little off, floating
a couple of balls. Yes, you know, like you said, Josh,
not trusting him. I felt, I know, his numbers don't
look terrible. I did not think he looked great.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now, if you want to defend him, you'd go, well,
who's he passing to? Boute the dude from LSU's his
best receiver, you know, Hunter Henry. This isn't exactly Gronk, Adalman,
West Welker and Randy Moss. But I thought today was
like we got a long way to go, you know,
someone that picked the Patriots to make the playoffs. Part
of it was I thought, Josh mcgaiels, Drake May would
be good. I was like you seeing it.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Let me defend him.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Is there any team in the league between their free
agent signings and draft. And I don't know the answer
to this. I watched them.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
In the first half.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I thought, Jesus Christian Gonzalez is out? Are they starting
fourteen new players? I mean, honestly, even veteran coaches. I mean,
I thought the Broncos looked awful offensively today. So my
take was, God, New England went and got seven starters
in free agency. They probably got five or six or

(38:22):
seven draftees that are playing. And I'm thinking is and
I'm not saying it as an excuse they are starting
fifty percent of this team. Is that's getting, if not starting,
getting significant stabs. Snaps is brand new And by the way,
starters don't play much in the preseason.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
So my take is, don't go crazy on New England.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I'm not sure there's a team in the league that's
playing fifteen to eighteen guys that didn't take a snap
for the team last year.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, And if you wanted to defend the Patriots in
this individual matchup, you'd go, well, the Raiders have better
players X Crosby best player on the field. You'd say
Brock Bowers is probably the second best player on the field.
You know, Geno Smith today is way better player than May.
So you know, I mean they just drafted a weapon
top six. But even if you say jent T and
Henderson cross each other out a long time. Yeah. So,

(39:19):
like you said, Jacobe Myers now has a couple of years,
like he's become a really, really good player. I think
we think about him like three years ago, the kind
of little afterthought guy on the Patriots. He's a he's
a I don't know if he's a He's not like
Jamar Chase or anything, but this is a He had
eight catches to day for nine seven yards. He's gonna
have enormous numbers this year playing with Chip and Brock Bowers.
So yeah, I mean the Raiders is a better team.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
You know, now I thought the Pats with their schedule,
but I'm telling you I was nervous watching Drake May,
thinking is this guy a franchise quarterback? Because we've talked
over and over about that group the six guys. Now
Caleb JJ play tomorrow, We'll see how they look. Uh.
You know, Pennix, if you watch him, you go, this
guy's an NFL player. How good is he? What's his ceiling. Uh,
Jayden Daniel is a star. I mean, he's just he's excellent,

(40:00):
elite player. Not all these guys are gonna hit. Some
of them are gonna not be on the team with
their second contract. Yeah, we've seen a lot of these guys,
the Canny Picketts, the mac Joneses, you know, the Trey Lances.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
We see they go all over the place.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
That's that's most NFL players, even Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
who have resurrected their career. Think how long it took
them to figure it out. So some of these guys
are not gonna work. And we just thought because Brabel
Joshony Daniels, well what if it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I mean, the Raiders have the better quarterback, a super
Bowl winning coach, the better left tackle, the star offensive weapon.
Gino Smith went twenty four of thirty four for three
hundred and sixty two yards in Rain on the road.
That's a pretty much an indictment. And I think, and

(40:46):
we know Vrabel can coach. My take is New England
is breaking in half their roster.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
You know what I wrote down is for a long time.
And listen, a lot of people make fun of Mark
and I get it. He has tried. He hired Gruden,
he gave him ten years, a hundred million. It's backfired
in his face. You know, he hired Josh McDaniels. People
forget the forty nine ers wanted Josh McDaniels. He turned
them down. They got Kyle Shanahan like they would have
gladly hired Josh McDaniels. It's it looks terrible looking back,

(41:16):
but it was kind of the Colts try to hire him.
A lot of people. He had kind of changed the
narrative on his career. Pete Carroll just made the Raiders
look like the Raiders are a real franchise. Now are
they gonna win ten? Are they gonna win eight? I
don't know. I still think that division so hard that
we'll see how it plays out over the course of
the season. But I think the Raiders getting Pete Carroll, Like,

(41:37):
how cool is that that? You know? This guy, I
can't even imagine how much money he made the last
six seven years of his NFL career, right, I mean,
he was making fifteen twenty million dollars. He's in his seventies.
He could have easily retired. This guy is addicted to football.
He still looks as energetic as ever, chewing that gun,
those big white shoes. What a cool moment for him
getting a job the Raiders a little desperate and just
kind of I mean kind of kicked their ass today.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I thought, you know, so, Chip Kelly's a friend. He
was at my sixtieth birthday party. Chip was there with
his wife. I really liked Chip and Chip Kelly because
of his NFL stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I always say this.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
He changed football. He went to Oregon. He was so
dominant at college. Remember this, midway through the second quarter.
They were leading people like Pack twelve teams forty two
to ten.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I mean he was in runs. He's calling runs too.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And Oregon fans, who are as rabid as any on
the West Coast were leaving games.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Early third quarter.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
They were scoring fifty six points. He changed the pace
of college football. Then he goes to Philadelphia ten and six,
ten and six with B and C level quarterbacks. He
and Howie Roseman. He lost the Tug of War, goes
to San Francisco, doesn't work, goes to Ohio State and
Ryan daywinsin NATI. Goes to the Raiders, Ashton, Jenny Gino,
Smith Brock Bowers to Kobe Myers, excellent left tackle. Actually,

(42:56):
the Raiders o line is pretty good and Chip can
coach o Lions gonna be You know, somebody said this
the other day, and I apologize for not calling it out.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Somebody said keep your eye on the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
When I watched them today, I'm like, I don't know
where they're going to finish. But if you told me
they were going to beat the Broncos, Charters and Chief
Swantz would buy it today. I buy that as a
as a stock the.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Chargers Week two. That that's who they play next week
in uh, where's that game in Vegas? That's a that's
a really good Monday Night football. Money Night has a
doubleheader next week, which kind of sucks, but that that's
an excellent game. That's an excellent gino Is. He could
have moments throughout the season and he has these Seattle
where he kind of drives you nuts.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
He he's a fantastic story because again we talk about traits,
his arms pretty elite. You watch him and Drake May today,
there's no question who's got the more explosive or year olds.

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(45:48):
Ward is not working with anything he was under. I mean,
the Broncos pass rush is as good as any in
the league from what I can tell. Because Callahan can coach.
We all know that the offensive line coach. Cam Ward
can move.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
We know he's mobile.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
He there weren't just Orange Jerseys a second and a
half after the snap all game, and he has probably
the weakest wide receiving core in the league. So I
thought cam played with a lot of poise. All things considered,
bo Nicks had a rough, rough game. But not to
defend my position because Denver won and Denver's got the

(46:26):
much better roster. But I felt, you know, Sean Payton,
remember when Russell Wilson and Sean Payton. One of the
things that drove I don't know it, it kind of
Russell Wilson didn't want to wear the armband and Sean
Payton said, wear the armband. Reportedly, I thought bow Knicks
today they were getting to the line with like ten seconds.

(46:50):
Bow was struggling to get You know, Peyton and Drew
Brees has said this, Peyton will push you to the
most you can handle cognitively, the most you can handle intellectually.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
I thought bow.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Knicks today it was almost like I wanted to say,
scale down the offense. This is where Russell and Sean struggled.
Shawn's like where the armband. I need to do more,
we need to run more plays. I thought today bo looked.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
A little overwhelmed.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It just with the sets and the motion. That was
my interpretation that it's week one again. Starters don't play
much in the preseason anymore. This felt like almost a
preseason game that Denver was just behind on the clock
too often.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Bo Nix was atrocious. I mean the interception he threw
coming out of half after he'd already played it for
the first half. I mean it could have gone to
both the guys. I mean he threw in a double coverage.
He was awful. Colin Sean Payton's been telling us how
great this guy is though, and how much he can handle,
and every report is like, this guy's mastered the offense,
and then you watch now. I think the times are
gonna be pretty good. I don't know if they're a

(47:54):
playoff team, but I think they are going to be
in the mix as the season goes on. Remember last
year their defense was pretty good, but Will Levis was
so bad that as the season goes on, you just
kind of tap out. I do think cam Ward, like
you said, on a given pass rush, there would be
orange coming from every angle of your television screen. It's
like what I can't even imagine being that guy who's

(48:14):
been playing like North Carolina and Boston College lighting up
and seeing that what are you supposed to do? But
this it shouldn't have been as close, but Bo Nicks,
that's as bad of a game as you can play.
And this is the thing that defense is gonna be.
They're the fastest defense clearly in the NFL. They are
going to probably lead the league in sacks again. They're
they're probably gonna be the top defense in the league

(48:35):
again if you're a betting man right now.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
And they bring in green Law and they led the
league in sacks last year.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, so in Greenlock caused a fumble today. We saw
how good Herbert was the other night. He's an elite player.
Anyone who tells you otherwise a moron. Mahomes is incredible
as well. The quarterbacks, I mean Geno Smith, like the quarterbacks,
he's gonna have to play in some of these games.
Even if you have a great defense, your defense has
some off game, especially on the road, you are gonna

(49:03):
need him to play a lot like he has some
of these games against the better players through in a
playoff game, you will lose. We saw last year Herbert
had an awful game and they got smoked. And this
is still a quarterback coach league. I have no questions
about their defense. They have good offensive weapons, like Sutton's
a good player. They signed Evan Ingram, there are two
running backs. JK had a good run today, Harvey's explosive player.

(49:24):
The quarterback looked like I mean, he had to have
one of the worst games in the entire league today.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
But remember last year bow Next struggled in September about
game five on He was pretty good again early in September.
Sean Payton's offense. Bow doesn't take a lot of preseason snaps.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
One of my.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Takeaways today watching some of these games is.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
New England.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
They got fifteen new guys getting real snaps starting or
on reserves. Sean Payton, Denver Bowe, how many snaps his
boat Nick's playing in the preseason. We know Titans have
a great defense. We know Jeffrey Simmons is virtually unblockable,
so and I'm not defending it. I thought he looked terrible,
but I know he can play because I watched last year.

(50:13):
I might take away watching him was cam Ward despite
that pass rush, played with a lot of poise. Bo
Nicks didn't play with a lot of poise, and he
made a couple of terrible throat Now he did make
a couple of beauties.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
But I really feel talking.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
To Drew Brees last year because he would come on
every two weeks in the herd.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
And when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Sean Payton, I mean he he just says straight out
he is going to challenge you every practice and he
is going to push you like he just the minute
Russell Wilson and he connected, he was done. They just
oil and water. And that's a different story with rusbying done.
But I think bow Knicks will get better. Two things

(50:56):
have happened in this league. Number One, good players don't
play in the preseason. They just don't play many snaps
anymore because the season is longer. So even if you
do want to play a guy, I mean, you got
what are you gonna play him? Twenty games with a
seventeen regular season. The second thing, offensive coaching is more

(51:16):
sophisticated and it's more demanding. And so that's why Justin
Fields impressed me so much. He's not playing that many snaps.
He was great today. So I think it was a
bad outing by Bonnicks. But man, when I watch that game,
I'm not sure John. Does Denver have a top three
or four roster in the league.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Oh, I think definitely. But that's the thing. Their next
three games at the Colts, who just playing pretty well,
the Chargers, who are just gonna be good, the Bengals,
who you know, divisional game, weird game, but clearly that
quarterback and those weapons. At the Eagles, I mean, their
schedule is hard. They're not just going to be able
to depend on their defense making insane place. If they

(51:57):
played a better just a more season quarterback and a
better offense. You can't throw multiple picks and have fumbles
and win the game. I don't care who's playing defense
for you. So they got lucky that their opponent. I mean,
I'm high on the Titans. They did just have the
number one overall pick. This is you know, this isn't
you know Eddie George and Jeff Fisher ay walking through
that door. So I think I'm a little nervous as

(52:19):
someone that has money on them to win the division,
to potentially win the AFC. So it's like they got
a long way to go with the quarterback. I'm with you, defense,
elite speed, offensive weapons, that little running back. It looks
pretty good. But Sean told me how smart this quarterback is,

(52:40):
how good he is on offense. Every report was like
their chemistry is elite. I don't know if I was
expecting to watch Drew Brees because his styles a little different,
but I was expecting to see it just a much,
I don't know, more in tune with the offense quarterback,
and he looked like he was playing his first game
in college, let alone the pros.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
So I want to talk about a game that wasn't
fun to watch, Washington twenty one and the New York
Giants six. So you know, listen, you can tell Brian
Dabole got Daniel Jones into the playoffs and won a
playoff game. I think Brian Dabele can coach. I don't
think he's Kevin O'Connell. I don't think he's clever like

(53:17):
Ben Johnson. But I think, I mean, Washington Deebo got
a touchdown on a reverse. Washington's going to be really fun.
I do think the Giants defense is pretty special, but
my take watching that today was that Russell Wilson, there's
just so many three and outs or six and outs

(53:38):
you're gonna lose that defense. First of all, they're gonna
be on the field too much, so they're gonna get
hurt if you don't play Jackson Dart by like week three.
Because this is a little bit like Tua. Russell doesn't
see the field. Russell's older. The offensive line could not
generate guard center guard any openings. They could not run
the ball through the middle, got to mooze fun but

(54:01):
there were just no holes. Again, I think I think
that you know the receivers, It's Ward and Neighbors are
pretty special players. Their tight ends hit and miss, can't
already catch consistently. But my take was here, you better
figure out if Jackson Dark can play, because next year's
draft could have six quarterbacks in the first round. How

(54:21):
I mean, listen, you know Jackson Dart's gonna get snaps.
Can you go six weeks and not play them?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah? You know. I think the old adage was like,
if you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting with them,
And I think there's some truth to that, Like if
Jim Harbaugh would have listened to everybody, he would have
taken a wide receiver instead of joelt like you gotta
have conviction. And then there's the Russell Wilson stuff. If
I was a Giants fan or just anyone watching that game,
everyone's thinking to themselves, how is this yank this guy

(54:48):
out of the game right, he'd go, Well, our offensive
lines atrocious. We had a lot offensive lines throughout the
league aren't great, Like, you can't function with this players.
I don't think we've ever seen such a precipit drop
off in my life. I mean Colin he he truly
seeing him in his prime live is one of the
greatest players I've ever seen any sport life. I've been

(55:09):
to a lot of games in the last fifteen twenty
years all sports. Never seen anything like this guy in
his prime. And he looks like if he was like
a nine out of ten in terms of playmaking, it's
like a one out of ten now, doesn't move that fast,
looks very unconfident, when he scrambles, it just looks bad.
It looks off. I gave it about the over under
three and a half. So right around the start of
October for Jackson Dart, if you told me, by the

(55:32):
time Monday morning comes around, breaking news they told Jackson
Dart he's gonna be this What are we waiting on?
Their schedule is hard, It's the NFL. Everything's difficult. Ashean
Payton and bow Nicks. What was like playing the Titans?
I mean, what do you want me to tell you?
At least I feel like Jackson gives them. It's not
like Jackson's a stiff. He can move around, but the juice,
you know, Malik davers Let's face has got a little
Torell Owens des Bryant head case to him. You think

(55:55):
it was bad today, it's only going to get works.
A season goes on and that quarterback's taking terrible sacks
and I get Andrew Thomas is injured, but it's this guy.
You can't function with that, and this is how the
team you lose the team. I think he's scared. I
think a coach would tell you, well, I throw him
in there, loses confidence, It gets ugly, Well, I don't
your only other options to have Russell Wilson go seventeen

(56:18):
to thirty seven and east to your ass kill.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Last year, brock Pretty goes one in six against playoff teams,
but his teammates love him. Teammates love brock Pretty. Russell
Wilson is not love than any locker room he's been in.
So he goes one in three, that locker room may
be done. I mean again, how would they not be
out on him now? I mean if they came out
next week and at half they've got a field goal,

(56:41):
don't you have to consider it?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I think you on the I guess team flight, maybe
they take the train. They had to be thinking on
the way home, like what do we do? What's the
point of this? Right? This is a guy that was
shot a couple of years ago, and now it feels
like it's getting worse. And his equity, you know, like
Aaron Rodgers, even if it was going weird in Pittsburgh,
his equity because he's Aaron Rodgers. Four time MVP is

(57:05):
really long, even with random players on a new team.
Do you think Russell Wilson has any equity with Malik
Neighbors or Cam Skataboo or Brian burn They don't care
at all. So I listen, I would do it now.
I don't expect him to do it now, but I
would be stunned if we make it to October and
Russell Wilson. Now here's the thing. Once you bench Russell Wilson,

(57:27):
do you just cut him and just pay him to
go away? Because he's not he's not making him backup. No,
he makes like fourteen million dollars. But I'm just saying,
so you just keep him around.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
We watched Justin Fields in Pittsburgh last year. It was
four and two.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
He got bench for Russell. We watched Justin Field today
and my takeaway is what happened in Pittsburgh. I mean, Jesus,
Justin Field's had a winning record in Pittsburgh. He looks
sensational today. I mean Russell at the end of last
year in Pittsburgh was probably the worst quarterback in the league.
So it's listen. I understand people gravitate. They it's romancing,

(58:01):
but we have a coach and Brian Dabole that refined,
cleaned up. Josh Allen got Daniel Jones to win a
playoff game. You know, got that Italian kid Tommy DeVito
that you know is you know, a great story, not
a great player. It got him to improve to the
point where you're like, oh, he can even play a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
In this league.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I mean, I'm watching this as an opener. Usually offensive coaches,
if there's a criticism and an opener, they give the
quarterback too much. There wasn't any life to it. It
wasn't creative. You could see dabol a couple of times
too in the red zone kind of shaking his head
like it's there, man, it's there. This is what Sean
Payton said. He's not seeing open receivers.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
He just runs into sacks too. He just kind of
runs into a guy. I do think if you know,
owners take a lot of crap from meddling. If I
own the Giants, I would be I would tell Brian
on the drive home, like, I don't want to see
this player anymore. Our fans don't, I don't, his teammates don't.
I know, just because maybe he knows the offense a
little bit better. Coaches always say this stuff that no

(59:04):
one can prove. Well, he's a little better in the
media room, well, and then you see that you get away.
When you're winning, right, it's like, well, you won the game.
He made some plays. When it looks like that, no
one cares about all the stuff that they can't see,
because that's really all that's what you get paid to do.
Play those sixty minutes. You watch Jayden Daniels, and I
get Washington's better offensively, and he's a much better player.
He's in a different universe. You would lose to them

(59:28):
ten out of ten times if you had a ten
game series, simply because the quarterback, even if you played
your best game, he's just so much better as a player. Russell,
there's no plays, even just the basic stuff dink and dunk,
and then the playmaking is just it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, And I thought in this game, by the second
half of Washington defensive players, how many times can you
be out in the field. I mean, I listen to
Gassan Terry McLaurin didn't practice a lot, So I give
Washington a little pass in the opener. I took the
Giants plus six and a half today because I thought
McLaurin didn't practice much. Deebo's a new piece. You know,
they're still to some degree even though they it's weird

(01:00:05):
they got to the NFC Championship, but to some degree
with a roster John, it's a little bit of a rebuild.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
This is not a stacked roster.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It was the worst conference championship roster since Andrew lucked
to the Colts there and got smoked by New England
in eleven and five. Remember that team where they played
in the conference championship. Just got the you know what
kicked out of him. It's not a great roster. So
I do think Washington will get better. But I do
think there's a point where Russell's never been. He wasn't

(01:00:33):
popular when he was winning. He wasn't popular in the room.
He's not popular now. He's kind of disconnected. And now
he's got kids, he's married, he's not hanging out with
the young players. If they trailed fourteen to nothing at
half next week, I think you'd have to consider Jackson
dark enters the third quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I'm with you really quick on Washington. I understand he
was a second pick, so the expectations were high. He
had just been awesome in college. It's watching Jayden Daniels.
It's crazy how good the kid is. Because obviously in
the pocket, his throws. I mean he's a very natural
and then his playmaking is what guys like Russell Wilson
used to be. It's only one game, but Deebo Samuel

(01:01:13):
looked pretty reinvigorated. He had seven catches, he had the
end around. And this is a contract year guy like
you said, Terry mclaurin's been out all training camp holding out.
So once as he gets going, you add McLaurin with
him with Jaden, the offense could be a little more
even complete than it was last year. Now defensively, I
mean they're playing Russell Wilson, so we'll see him play
better teams, but their offense might have You know, Ertz

(01:01:36):
is still making plays at an older age. So I
this Washington offense has got a chance to be pretty
good because that quarterback he resurrected a dead fan. The
franchise was dead dead. I mean, he resurrected the franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
So I want to talk about There's a couple of
games I don't think are worthy of great discussion. Rams
beating the Texans was pretty sloppy. So Tyler Dunn is
guy that I used to bring on the Herd. I
still do about once twice a year I brought him
on this podcast. He wrote a story about Ryan Poles.
Did you read that story about Ryan Poles the Bears?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I read about half of it there. I've read a
lot of the clips of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
So it's pretty damning. So I'm not a huge Ryan
Poles fan. I think the ownership's week Kevin Warren hasn't
you know, it hasn't proven anything yet. I would not
have given Ryan Poles a new contract, But be that
as it may, he got it. The story basically says
that it was rigged. He was taking Caleb Williams. He

(01:02:36):
apparently thought Caleb was the best quarterback in the draft
and JJ McCarthy was second best. Okay, I understanding like
liking Caleb Williams. There's a lot of horsepower, he's got
a big harm He's sensational talent, but not and not
loving Drake may I knew people that didn't love him.

(01:02:58):
Apparently he didn't think much of Jaden Daniels, which I
think is impossible. I can remember before the draft saying
Jaden Daniels is going to He's gonna look like Lamar Jackson.
I remember saying this five times on the air. He's
gonna look a lot like Lamar Jackson, but way better
in the pocket.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Early like he was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Virtually can't miss. He was going to be an excellent
with Cliff Kingsbury in Terry McLaurin. My thing was he's skinny.
I hope he doesn't get hurt, but he's gonna be
wildly productive. He's just really, really talented. Now he's better
than I thought on third down, he's better closing drives,
He much more. I've never seen a rookie quarterback that poist.
I mean, if you'd never seen him before, you'd think
he's a seven year player. I think he's better than

(01:03:36):
Andrew Luck was as a rookie. I think he makes
fewer mistakes. I think he moves better. I think he's
better than Andrew Luck, who I thought was sensational eleven
and five of the colts with a terrible roster, and
I think he's better than that. But it comes across
really dysfunctional, and some of the reports about how they

(01:03:58):
their words not mine, dumb down, the offense ready set hiked. Basically,
I mean, I have never got into a Monday night
football game in a week one and been more interested
in a team that may finish in fourth place. I mean,
you have to watch the Vikings tomorrow. I thought that

(01:04:20):
game would be about JJ McCarthy after that article, it's
about Caleb Williams. Do you think there's a chance that
he's awful, that it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Work, Yeah, I mean, I think there is one hundred
percent chance that he is one of the worst quarterbacks
in his class. I mean, I think it has a
chance to get very, very weird. And some of it
has to do in that article about the personality. Right,
A big part of that was he wouldn't listen to
the coaches. He would storm off now and then I
think that the people pushing back would go, well, it's
a bunch of people that got fired. It's clear that

(01:04:51):
all the offensive coaches got fired. Or saying this. The
thing that I heard from my scouting buddies last year
that was undefensible is you go, well, it's easy to
take Caleb Williams. No one will give you shit because
the media, and rightfully so, said he was one of
the best prospects in recent memory. His job is not
the media. His job is do what's best for the Bears.
Remember Adam Peters when he had the second pick, and

(01:05:12):
he knew Caleb was going one, which you shouldn't. I mean,
he brought in every single quarterback, yes, and he took
him to Top Golf and people freaked and said, how
could you bring in them all? And he just let
them all be, and he kind of judged them how
they interacted. You don't think he was leading Jaden and
Daniels the whole time. But part of doing your due
diligence is, hey, this is a great quarterback draft class,

(01:05:33):
so I'm bringing bo Nicks, Drake made JJ and Pettix
with Jaden and just letting the cream kind of rise
with some other players. And he took a ton of
that's his job. They never brought in another quarterback. And
even in this article it said, even if you cut
it in half, how do you not bring in Jaden
Daniels and either Drake may or JJ McCarthy. Then to
your building you get thirty people allowed to bring in

(01:05:57):
and they didn't bring them in. They didn't work out
any of these guys. There's no disputing that he was
dead set on Caleb Williams. That's where I think some
of their freaking out about the VR stuff. You know
him using virtual reality. Jaden Daniels and Ryan Poles freaking
out as we need to get Caleb on that will
buy it, and they're like what if he doesn't use it?
And the coaches are like, well make him use it.

(01:06:18):
This is a mom and pop shot. This is not
a high level operation. And while Ryan Poles came highly
recommended for Andy and the Chiefs, he has felt a
little arrogant. I mean you go back to his comment
when he got the job about tell the Packers we're
gonna start dominating this division. It's like, no one you
think Andy Reaves never talked like that in thirty years
being a head coach in the league, Like, come on, man,

(01:06:39):
just pump the brakes. Then you watched last year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, he drafted VELAs Jones in the third round, who
could not track the ball. In three years at USC
it was understood he could not track the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Traded a second round pick for Chase Claypool. I mean,
once upon time. I mean he's made some atrocious moves. Listen,
the trade for Kayleb Williams to get the number one
pick was fantastic with Panthers, and even taking Caleb Williams
is a defensible move, but not bringing in the other
guys and getting to know the people. What has Washington
said from the moment they have got Jane Daniels obviously

(01:07:11):
on the field. My mom can tell you he's a
good player. We freaking love the guy, Like, how could
this guy be such a hot It was what they
used to say about Lux, like everyone just loves this
human being. Every question I see about Caleb Williams is like, hey,
he holds on the ball a little bit, but like,
what's his deal? Whenever I hear what's his deal at quarterback?
I'm out. Yeah, I'm out. And there have been enough

(01:07:32):
people that's not something you overcome, right looking back, like
what did Baker really butt heads with Odell Beckham? I
think as time went on, maybe it wasn't all Baker,
but he was just in a weird spot. This has
been there have been some question marks going back with
Caleb in college, you know, and the dad I mean, listen,
I understand, I don't know. I never had a son
with the talent of Caleb. Hopefully my son's talented. We'll

(01:07:52):
find out. But like the dad wont equity, it's just
been a lot of noise and when I watched Jade Daniels. No, hell,
JJ McCarthy. He's been injured, not his fault, but there's
no noise about the guy. Yeah, there's just way too
much noise with this guy. You can't tell me it's
all other people. Like, eventually Caleb has to take some blame.
And I'm telling you we were together when this happened.

(01:08:14):
It was weird extending the backup quarterback when they did
not need to. It would not be weird if Patrick
Mahomes or Josh Allen was your quarterback and you just went, hey,
this is great value. We love this kid. We want
to have an asset. You have this quarterback, which is
clearly pretty. I would just say there's a lot going on.
You would want to quiet everything. So for them to
do that, I think part of this article too, was

(01:08:35):
like Ben Jonson's gained more and more juice. You're telling
me the GM did that if he loves the starry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Quarter Johnson when he signed Tyson Bage and remember some
of the comments at a press conference, He's like, man,
this guy is super sharp.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
This guy is this worker in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, it's like you shouldn't probably say that. I mean,
when when Sean Payton signed Jared Stidham. I think it
was when he had so he's like, oh, he's a
good player, and that was it out of respect to Russell,
like this guy was like he's the sharpest guy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
I mean, it's unbelievable how good he's been. That to
me was a message.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
People say things for a reason in the NFL, and
you know, I all I know is Vikings Bears has
these guys can be tied for fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
It's gonna get a monster number. That's all I know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It's gonna get a lot of juice. I do think
it's really hard to overcome. You know, you saw it,
like you said today about Sam Darnold, it's kind of
a natural movement for him to hold the ball low
right and bring it up, and that was an undoing.
It's been something that he's always battled with. When you
hold onto the ball. It's not often like, hey, this
guy had a problem. He just held onto the ball forever,
and then five years into his career it's like, well

(01:09:45):
he just gets rid of it like he's Peyton or Tom.
Now that's not usually the way it works, right, You
watch Jaydon Davis. He can get rid of it in
a heartbeat, party can get rid of it really quick.
If it's so like it just it comes natural or
it doesn't. I do think there's no one just no
one's ever argued about like Caleable. He's got an explosive arm.
He just holds onto the ball for a long time.
So even if we just talk strictly football, none of

(01:10:06):
the off the field stuff that is just a fundamental
I would say, uh, that's not the way that Ben
Johnson has ever wanted to operate. And his success came
from a guy that got rid of the ball every day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
With Ben Johnson's offense and Kyle's is timing, they are
timing offenses. Caleb doesn't play on time. It's gonna be
I think it's gonna be problematic. John Middlecoff, former NFL
scout our first Foray, I'm gonna go watch the Bills
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