Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1 joins Colin to chop it up!
They react to the news of Mark Cuban selling a majority share in the Dallas Mavericks and Colin wonders whether Cuban has his sights set on a presidential run (3:00). They explain why the cheating scandal at Michigan was barely a minor violation that Jim Harbaugh doesn’t deserve a harsh punishment for (11:30) and give their takes on the crazy level of faux outrage found on social media (22:30).
They also contrast and compare TV hosts and journalists with “opinionists” like themselves (30:00) and talk about the TV play by play and color analysts they admire the most (34:30).
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We'll dance around for fifty to fifty five minutes, all right, Nick.
The biggest story of the day Mark Cuban, who recently
announced he's leaving Shark Take. He's leaving Shark Tank. A
week later announces he's selling a majority stake of the
Dallas Mavericks to a casino tycoon for about three and
a half billion. It's a unique setup. According to Sham's,
(01:45):
Cuban keep shares in the team full control of basketball operations.
So my first take is recent polling indicates Biden is
not a viable candidate. And oh and Mark Cuban is
to me a centrist, a left leaning centrist, and has
(02:07):
an interest in it. There's no reason in one week
to make these moves. My guess is it signals a
political upheaval in the Democratic Party and Cuban could become
a leading candidate with the vice president being selected by
the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh well, that is not what I thought you were
gonna say. That is you just you sure you're not
just watching too much Billions? That last season of Billions
by my buddy Brian Koppelman kind of had this, except
the guy who was running third running third party candidate.
All right, so I don't I would say the fly
(02:44):
in that ointment is, then why is he keeping basketball
control in case he doesn't like in case he doesn't win,
that way he can still have basketball. I mean, I
did not think that's what you were Remember day.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Altruistic bent to his personality, he created an online pharmacy
that I think is one of the great inventions up
there with TV and FaceTime. Totally agree with you, one
of the great of our time. Who benefits older Americans,
who votes older Americans. It's a very very powerful mechanism
(03:23):
for relatability with older American voters who often can trend conservative.
If you're getting if you're saving eight nine hundred bucks
a month on a pharmacy buy based on Mark Cuban,
that's powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, he listen, that's that's I think it's called cost
plus drugs eighties. It's that I agree with you on
that that that is one of the coolest and smartest
UH innovations of the last decade. And he like it's
not it isn't. Isn't pure altruism because they you know,
(03:59):
they tell you we're gonna charge you what it costs
US plus ten percent to make it a viable business.
And it also gives you an idea of how much
price gouging people deal with for medications and all those things.
So I think that's great. I listen, I like Cuban,
I didn't, you know, I don't know that him. I
(04:23):
The thing on you know, the Biden part of it
is is poll numbers are terrible. That's undeniable. I understand that.
I also think from an accomplishment standpoint, he has been
far more effective than people give him credit for. Now
people can say it's been effective in a bad direction,
(04:43):
like because you don't like the things he went out
to accomplish, But for the things that he said he
was going to accomplish, I think he's checked a lot
of those boxes. The biggest listen, the problem for him,
and I think the biggest thing that's turning his poll numbers.
Is his vice president is unpushih popular for reasons we
don't have to get into, but she is, and people
(05:04):
are worried about his age. Now the guy running against him,
in my humble opinion, is one of the most dangerous,
unhinged people in modern American life and is damn near
as old. So between the two, to me, it's a
pretty obvious choice. I do understand where people would like
a difference alternative option. I just assumed that would just
(05:26):
if there were going to be an alternative option, I
assumed it would be Gavin Newsom. I figured that's why
he's doing this debate with DeSantis. But maybe he's trying
to wait the Cuban trying to I mean, if you
call this correct, that is an all timer. I don't like.
That is not where my head went. I thought, I'll
be totally honest. My initial head went to, like, is
(05:48):
there a scandal that's coming? Like is he yeah? And
I'm not wishing that upon him, But I'm just being
totally honest, Like, Okay, you're getting away from Shark Tank,
you're selling your share of the MAVs. Is something coming
out that could put you at a very weakended position.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That's probably if I had to guess a second take,
that would be it.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And if you have a deal with the new owner
part of the sale, I get to control the team.
That's kind of hard to unwind almost no matter what,
Like I wouldn't have sold you the team otherwise. What
I will say is this because people don't you know,
I'm sure a fair amount of your viewers and listeners
don't love my politics. That's fine. I think Cuban would
(06:34):
be an excellent leader. I think Cuban and I think
he is. I think there's a lot of I think
there are a lot of rich people, like uber rich
people that I am not sure how sharp they are. Like, eh, like,
I think you probably were very smart about a very
(06:57):
specific thing, and to your credit, right timing, rite whatever
turn it into a ton of money. And far too
many people treat those folks as brilliant visionaries when a
m I have just been like, eh, that's pretty you know,
good timing, and I'm really smart at this certain thing. Cuban,
I've read enough things that he's said. I've seen him.
(07:19):
He's been in my life for twenty something, in my life,
you know what I mean? In our lives for twenty
some years. I'm pretty confident saying that's sharp guy to
sharp guy. In also what I will say about whatever hope,
because the overwhelming odds are the next president is either
going to be you know, Joseph Robin at Biden or
(07:40):
Donald Trump. Whoever comes after either one of those guys,
because neither one of them can run again. Now assuredly,
if you know, if Trump wins, he will attempt to
not ever have to run again, just to be president
for life. There's a word for that. I don't know
what it is. Whoever comes after one of those guys,
(08:00):
I really hope they are more of the moment, because
I do think we are facing some real challenges from
a technological standpoint of the world changing. And it's not
I'm not trying to do like AI panic, but that's
certainly a part of it AI. And just as the
(08:22):
world evolves that it certainly feels like I don't need
them to be AOC's age or my age. I think
me and AOC about the same age. She's probably a
little younger, but someone that you Colin Cowverd wouldn't feel
like you had to call sir or ma'am or mister
or missus, because they are so much older than you.
(08:44):
I would like and so Cuban fits that. Bill Knews
fits that bill. For the folks on the right side
of the Aisle DeSantis fits that bill I do, I
would like the younger. And by younger again, I just
mean people my parents like, or a little younger than
my parents, to have more of the because it's not
(09:06):
just president, it's you know, up until recently, the Speaker
of the House, the leader of the Senate. These are
all you know, much much older folks that I'm not
saying they're not sharp enough to understand what's happening. What
I'm saying is there's a level of understanding things that
you use or grew up with or something that is
(09:29):
always going to be hard in the same way that
I simply don't. I'm not good at TikTok and I'm
really good at Twitter because I came up using Twitter,
and TikTok was you know what I mean is the
last five years and I'm like, ah, my teenage daughters
gets it more than me. So yeah, but if Cuban
runs for president, I mean that a that'd be a
(09:49):
hell of a call by you, b you could probably
convince him to create a cabinet of sports and make
you the secretary of it, like you're you and Bill
Simmons at arm wrestle over it. That'd be something else, man,
that would be something else.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So you know, last week we didn't talk a ton
of sports, and I do have a non sports topic
I'll get to, but there is a sports thing where.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know I've said before, we're all morally flexible. Okay,
we're all morally flexible. We all speed. I drove about
eighty getting to my house today. That I don't have
a speeding ticket. You know, if I gone through a
school district, I wouldn't. But it was all, like you know,
just freeways and stuff. And it is interesting the position
(10:34):
that I and you're not a big college football fan.
But it's beyond that that I know Jim Harbaugh's program
did something that appears to be deceptive, but it doesn't
bother me. And the reason it doesn't bother me is because,
and it's probably two or three different reasons. One, it's
like taxes. If I write off a bottle of wine,
(10:56):
I'm not the first, and I'm kind.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Of a sucker.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
If I don't right, like, at some point you're like E.
And the other thing about it is, I feel, deep
down because this has been sourced multiple times, there's been
so much cheating going on, and I don't think Harbaugh
and Michigan's history indicates they ever bought players or skirted
(11:20):
the system. But I sort of feel like a lot
of people that are pissed off are Southern college football
fans who now acknowledge, you know, Michigan and everybody can
buy players too, and now the nil and transfer portal,
it's even the playing field out. And I think that,
combined with Harbaugh's unique personality, I'm rooting for Jim to
(11:44):
not be punished too severely.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Why listen, I agree with almost all of that, and
so a few things. One is, it's also bad for
college football if he's punished super severely, because it makes
it more likely he leaves college football, and Jim Harbaugh
is good for college football. Nobody benefits from Jim Harbaugh
going to coach the Bears other than potentially the Bears,
(12:09):
and so he's good for college football. I also don't
think there's a lot of people out actually outraged by this.
I think there are people that either at an axe
to grind or have their own purposes served by Michigan
being dinged, that are acting like they are deeply morally outraged.
(12:31):
I'm not acting like there aren't moral outrages in sports.
There are sometimes It almost always to me, involves off
field violence, particularly off field violence towards people that can't
really defend themselves. And I've never been one that's I'm
not that outraged by when pre andil guys paid for players.
(12:52):
I wasn't that outraged. I'm not that outraged by a
pro athlete getting in a bar fight. There are different
things though that everybody knows what they are where you're like, no,
that's on the pale, and it makes me feel kind
of scummy rooting for this guy or this team. And
that's but this was not a hard one for me.
It did not seem like now there are, And so
we all have different lines. If the scandal was and
(13:14):
maybe people will say, Nick, you're just drawing totally arbitrary lines,
so be it. If this was the allegation at Michigan Stadium,
at the Big House, they would systematically cut off the
ability for the opposing team to communicate. Coach to quarterback
in key moments. I would think that is a massive violation,
(13:37):
that is to me, And again I don't know why
that is category.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
There were camquarterers, it would have been very difficult to
get those tickets that would have taken you a week.
And camcorders set up in a room in an office, people,
this is CD iPhone.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It just isn't the same exactly right, And it also
didn't it felt like whenever there is a system that
is built around the assumption there is some level of cheating,
that cheating existing doesn't bother me that much. And by
that I mean the reason college football has four guys
(14:20):
faces on a placard as a sign and then they
change it up or all these things is because there
is the assumption as some of our signs might be
stolen at some point. Nobody thinks that's not happening. Ever,
so this one didn't. I agree with you on this.
This one didn't rise to the level of felony. Now,
(14:41):
with that said, what did I don't want to say
bother me, but at least I found a little irritating
was Michigan acting like they are this persecuted, you know,
totally innocent babe. In the Woods and the Michigan I
understand in sports, but the Michigan versus everybody and this
idea that they have been wronged. I don't think Michigan
(15:03):
has been wronged. I don't think they're the victim. But
I also don't think they victimized anyone on any substantial level.
And I think this. I think they're the best college
football team in the country. You're right. I don't watch
nearly as much as you do, but I watch the
biggest games, and I'm very familiar with the teams that
are in the argument for the best college football team
(15:26):
in the country. And I know Georgia fans are gonna
be like, we haven't lost in three years, maybe it
should be us. I get that. I think Michigan has
just can can beat you in almost every way. I
don't think that. I don't think they're gonna beat you
forty nine to forty five. I understand that. Yeah, but
their defense is too good, in my opinion, to let
a game get to forty nine to forty five. And
(15:48):
so I just I'm really impressed by them. I'm really
impressed by them, and I'll be surprised if iowas scores
seven points. I know that game's on Fox.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Everyone should watch it, but I'll be surprised by residential system.
Our judicial system has layers of crimes, like levels of crimes.
And this, of course is like speeding. Yes, Jim went
too fast and probably flipped the burden of maserati going
ninety two at eighty in an Acura. It wouldn't have
(16:17):
been outrageous, but it was kind of in your face,
over the top if it's true. Right, it was a little,
but it's still speeding. It's not it's not burglary.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's it is yeah, correct, this is this is at
worse to use the judicial analogy the most severe misdemeanor.
It does not qualify as like the least severe felony.
This is at most like walking out of the supermarket
(16:50):
and with something in your you know, doing the self
checkout and being like, oh, I forgot the stuff at
the bottom of my cart. I'm sorry, Like, yeah, you might.
They might even give you a for it, but it's
not for you probably don't need to hire an attorney.
Like that's to me the level that that it was at.
And also that's why your since your show does your
(17:11):
pod and your show does the substantial mound of college football.
You guys talked about it. We on my pod and
on my TV show. We haven't talked about it once,
like like, it's just not our like I don't think.
But if it was a true scandal, it was, we would.
We don't talk a ton of baseball. When the Astros
thing was going on, we at least talked about that
and what it meant. And again, that felt different. Maybe
(17:34):
this is me sounding like an old man, but it
felt different because there the allegation of using course like
high level technology felt like it was different than you
know what I mean, My my guy at second base
can see the sign the catcher's giving and we got
a little system built in. It just felt different.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Let's piv to something else you talked about, But it
was part of this the overstated anger often apparent on
social media that doesn't exist. And so I've had this
feeling forever that, for instance, very few people hate Joe Biden.
He's sleepy, he would be picking on an old guy,
(18:19):
but his poll numbers are plummeting, and I think I
think it's inflation. I think it's very simply that I
used to go to the grocery store, and it would
be about fifty five dollars to get the twelve to
fifteen items I go get once a week. It's now
seventy three. I notice, well, what if your working class
couple of kids long commute to work, gas prices up.
(18:41):
That's the polling numbers. It's not that suddenly everybody hates
Biden or everybody now has forgotten Trump and his past.
It's simply the economy. But if you go to social media,
it's nobody likes Joe Biden. It's not that it's overstated anger.
(19:02):
And the truth is, if you go look at the
history of our politics, for instance, the midterms, liberals did
pretty well. Recent elections, liberals did well. I don't believe
now suddenly it's going to be an avalanche to the right.
What I believe is happening is our government's trying to
get it under control. These are why the interest rates
are so high. Inflation is worse than we're talking about.
(19:23):
You and I are a bit in a bubble. But
when I go to the grocery store or McDonald's. I
drove via McDonald's the other day and I was with
my step son and he goes have you gone there lately?
And I said, I usually go in the summer. I'll
go get some French fries when I want to assault high.
And he said, it used to be thirteen and now
you've got to break a second bill. Now it's twenty one.
(19:44):
So you go from given a twenty and getting seven back.
Do you have to give him a second bill? It
pisses people off and so overstated anger. Now we can
go back to sports. But I tend to think this
is something I tell people all the time when you're
creating a show, when you're acknowledging a problem, don't fall
(20:04):
for anger that doesn't exist in your neighborhood. Very few things.
The last thing that pissed people off that I remember
was that submarine. The dad got his son on it
and it blew up. That pissed a lot of parents off.
That made me visceral reaction. I was mad at that dad.
But by and large, Nick, I am probably outraged twice
(20:27):
a year.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That is it. Well, so this is interesting thing, and
maybe this is a conversation in and of itself. And
by the way, remind me at some point there's a
lebron thing. I want to talk to you about not surprisingly,
but they've just remind me at some point the I am.
(20:50):
I am starting to because for a long time I
was of the belief that too much of our colleagues
and two more, much of media in general, is reacting
to the loudest voices on social media and that that
(21:12):
is not really what matters, and that the average person
doesn't even know about it or care about all those things.
That's kind of how I felt, and I felt a
lot of people were treating Twitter like real life in
ways they shouldn't. All those things. Here is my concern.
I think we are approaching that it almost has become
(21:34):
a self fulfilling prophecy in that you're right, people are
not often that outraged. But if we are fed so
much outraged and then we believe everyone is outraged, it
then leads to that being real and in a weird way.
And this is again I apologize I'm building quite the
(21:56):
bridge here, But there was the story yesterday that Sports
Illustrated what was Let's left the Sports Illustrated that some
of their articles are being written by AI, fake people,
AI headshots, AI stories, the whole line, and it's pretty
outrageous and it's a really really sad stop, final stop
(22:18):
for a once proud brand. And I just started thinking.
I was like, god, damn man, like we are approaching
somewhat rapidly, like they're not being any authoritative voices or
publications that actually can set listen. Here are the things
(22:40):
that matter, here's the bullshit. And if we lose those entirely,
then what is the difference between what people are actually
mad about and what social media or Twitter says everybody's
mad about? That then sets the conversation, Like I I
I'm not I'm not explaining this perfectly, but I do
(23:02):
wonder there's the right now. So there's a very dark
corner of social media that is furious with Malika Andrews
for no reason whatsoever. In my opinion, I think it's
so wildly unfair, but it is so amplified and so
(23:23):
in your face. If you if you even tipstep your
toe into like NBA Twitter, does that actually now mean
that's the reality? Like if there is is like for her,
it's the reality, Like it's what she's dealing with. I'm
now mentioning it. It's like even if it was all bullshit,
if enough, if enough, there's enough amplification of the bullshit?
(23:46):
Does that make the bullshit the real thing? And that that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Legit concerns I'm legitimately concerned by bad executives, and I
don't think Fox has a very big number of these
that are reactionary and think.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
It's the truth. So I think Malika Andrews is on
a short list of six or seven people the single
most talented person at ESPN. I think she's on a
very short list. If I literally forget anything a singular
host in the country, she'd probably be one or two.
(24:22):
That's how highly I think of her.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
She I mean, this is gonna sound that and I'll
let you finish. As arrogant as it is, She's one
of the only people in the country younger than me
that I'm like, God, dog, it might be more talented her.
It hurts. It hurts my heart, Like I don't I
don't want to say it, like I have no jealousy
or bitterness towards anyone in the business older than me,
because I'm like, ah, by the time i'm their age,
(24:46):
I'll be better. But anyone younger than me, I'm like
keeping track of them. I'm like, ah, where are they at?
And so yeah, so we so we we agree on
that this is where boss is really met deeply truly
matter and where real for any we got a lot
of I had a bunch of people respond to the
discussion we did last week about local radio and media.
(25:07):
I think media people, especially younger media people, appreciated some
of the conversations we have, so those people are listening.
This is one thing that I will tell you. If
you are in the creative space and the no walking
without a net space, which anyone doing live radio or
television or anything live is, it really matters who your
(25:28):
bosses are because you are going to step in it.
We all step in it to varying degrees on varying things.
And there are certain things that no matter how good
your boss is, if you say something truly objectionable, nobody's
gonna be able to save you. But there's gonna be
times where people get really, really mad at you. And
(25:50):
whether or not that scares them, whether or not they
know this is a temporary moment and we will move
past it. And whether or not they back you is
as important as anything ever, as important as anything.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know you are one of the true opinionists in
the country. Beyond me A lot of people are hosts
who host shows, but they're not really opinionists.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They don't want to be called out. I consider myself
not an importance, but I consider myself Joe Rogan Stern,
Bill Maher, Hannity Madow. I'm an opinionist that can break
a story. I am not a host. You're not a host.
We're opinionists. And research indicates seven to eight strong opinions
(26:37):
a day over the course of a two to three
hour show. Nobody's going seven to zero. In fact, if
you are, you're taking safe opinions which will be punitively
punishing you in the ratings. People listen to the guy
at the sports bar who's got the strongest opinion. And
you and I both are strong opinion people. So I
was always looked at it when I I have not
(26:59):
one time at Fox eight years, not one time as
Fox ever said you know that opinion, not once, not
with a mistake, not with an epinian.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So that's something people don't know. So that's something the people.
That's one of the bigger questions I get. And just
to listen, not to give you know, our TV bosses,
you know all they spend a ton of time giving
them credit. But they on this note, I think they
deserve a ton of credit. Which is one of the
biggest questions I get, is like, ooh, you know Fox Sports,
(27:31):
Fox News. Obviously the Murdoch family has pretty well known.
I don't think I'm breaking news here. Political feelings and
leanings and whatever it is. How much does that impact
what you guys say? And I tell them to honest
to god truth, I've hosted my show for over six years.
There has not been one email. There's not been one
phone call. And now that's easy when we're just like, hey,
(27:54):
who's going to win the super Bowl? But the show
had just started in the midst of the Kaepernick stuff,
Trump calling them sons of bitches. You know, a few
years ago we were deep in it that when the
bubble happened in the George Floyd protests. It's not like
we are always just talking sports. We are talking about
real stuff. And I have never once gotten a note
(28:16):
on oh no, you can't what are you going to
say on this? You can't say that? And that is
and I do think there is the first time you
get one of those, because this happened to me a
different spot there is and it wasn't even about anything important.
It was about what I would if what I was
(28:37):
gonna say about the head coach of the Texans, the
dumbest thing imaginable, but they're a partner in this or whatever.
Once you get one of those, there is a chilling effect.
There is like a oh am, I what I And
then you can't fully be you. And I'm not even
talking about when I say we're all gonna step in
it just like have an opinion that you know has
(28:57):
proven wrong or whatever. I'm talking about just doing live
that's what you would. So you mentioned, uh matt Ou
or mar that that there are some folks that are opinionists,
but they have every second mapped down and their brilliance
is making it appear they are delivering it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Like Relation Williams doing comedy.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yes, there you go, the and so, but they've actually
planned it all out. You and I I think do
it similarly, which is we have a skeleton of what
we're going to talk about, and then it goes where
where our brain goes and what is you know what
I mean? And sometimes that leads to screw ups or
(29:44):
that leads to oh shoot ah, I forgot that whatever,
And having people that you know will back you. Is
to me, just critically, critically, critically.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Four weeks ago, I was talking. A producer talked to
me at the same time I was talking, and I
butchered a word I didn't know because I couldn't hear
me talking because a producer was talking. So it's just
I always think one of the most amazing, amazingly difficult
jobs is play by play of football. So you got
three hours and you got you know, you got Greg
Olsen up there with Burkehart. They got commercial reads, they've
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got the crowd, they have a sideline person, they have
a director in their ear. Whenever I see criticism in
a big game of a play by play announcer A Tarrico,
A Nance, A Buck Burkhart, you have no idea how
hard it is to do that game. It's I've I've
been on those headsets. It makes my job look like
(30:38):
a layup. And that's a three sixty wind mill dunk.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So I, yeah, I can't imagine that. By the way,
you have Greg. You have a relationship with Greg Olsen, right, yeah, okay,
please tell him it doesn't have to be on the air.
I think he is and I have a I have
a pretty high standard for color commentators in backball and
football basketball the NBA vast majority of games I listened
(31:05):
to on mute, I watch on mute like I get
actively irritated by the commentary on most of the crews,
not all of them. Football is way better, but there
aren't a ton of color commentators that I think are
truly adding. I think Greg is so sharp and I thought,
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like the other day, I forget even what game it was.
It might have been a Thanksgiving game, I don't know,
but we have the opportunity, the rare opportunity, the nerd
dream of the white whale, that is the free kick,
which is if you fair catch a punt, you can
kick from where you fair caught with no rush off
a tee. It's something I've heard about since I was
(31:49):
a kid. I've never seen because you need it, you
need have to be like a punt at the end
of the half that didn't field goal range. And the
moment it happened, I was like, oh my god, it
could be a freak. And before I even had the
thought out, Greg said it. Greg is I think. I
think Greg and Burkhart are awesome. I think that I
think the A teams. We're lucky as football fans that
(32:11):
the the biggest games like the NBC team's great. I
love I love collins Worth, I love his enthusiasm. Buck
and Aikman. It's unbelievable that Buck and Aikman have now
been together longer than Madden and Summer all were, which
is it seems impossible in my head, but it's true. There.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think Tony best year.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
The Romo and Nance just had one of the best
unscripted calls I can remember, not like a whin they
win the game, this is what I'm gonna say. But
the dron blaand picked six. He said this is history
when he still had three guys to beat. Anyway, it
wasn't history. He don't score and blaand picked him up
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by making those guys miss. Yeah. I mean our football
crews are great, and I think Burkehart and Olsen are
as good as anybody. I think they're excellent. And another
guy you have on your show obviously we both love
Stink who's great. But Sanchez is really sharp. I think
Mark is really sharp and he has the second best
Harrit Fox. I don't know who has the best, but
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We'll dance around for fifty to fifty five minutes, all right, Nick.
The biggest story of the day Mark Cuban, who recently
announced he's leaving Shark Take. He's leaving Shark Tank. A
week later announces he's selling a majority stake of the
Dallas Mavericks to a casino tycoon for about three and
a half billion. It's a unique setup. According to Sham's,
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Cuban keep shares in the team full control of basketball operations.
So my first take is recent polling indicates Biden is
not a viable candidate. And oh and Mark Cuban is
to me a centrist, a left leaning centrist, and has
(02:07):
an interest in it. There's no reason in one week
to make these moves. My guess is it signals a
political upheaval in the Democratic Party and Cuban could become
a leading candidate with the vice president being selected by
the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh well, that is not what I thought you were
gonna say. That is you just you sure you're not
just watching too much Billions? That last season of Billions
by my buddy Brian Koppelman kind of had this, except
the guy who was running third running third party candidate.
All right, so I don't I would say the fly
(02:44):
in that ointment is, then why is he keeping basketball
control in case he doesn't like in case he doesn't win,
that way he can still have basketball. I mean, I
did not think that's what you were Remember day.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Altruistic bent to his personality, he created an online pharmacy
that I think is one of the great inventions up
there with TV and FaceTime. Totally agree with you, one
of the great of our time. Who benefits older Americans,
who votes older Americans. It's a very very powerful mechanism
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for relatability with older American voters who often can trend conservative.
If you're getting if you're saving eight nine hundred bucks
a month on a pharmacy buy based on Mark Cuban,
that's powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, he listen, that's that's I think it's called cost
plus drugs eighties. It's that I agree with you on
that that that is one of the coolest and smartest
UH innovations of the last decade. And he like it's
not it isn't. Isn't pure altruism because they you know,
(03:59):
they tell you we're gonna charge you what it costs
US plus ten percent to make it a viable business.
And it also gives you an idea of how much
price gouging people deal with for medications and all those things.
So I think that's great. I listen, I like Cuban,
I didn't, you know, I don't know that him. I
(04:23):
The thing on you know, the Biden part of it
is is poll numbers are terrible. That's undeniable. I understand that.
I also think from an accomplishment standpoint, he has been
far more effective than people give him credit for. Now
people can say it's been effective in a bad direction,
(04:43):
like because you don't like the things he went out
to accomplish, But for the things that he said he
was going to accomplish, I think he's checked a lot
of those boxes. The biggest listen, the problem for him,
and I think the biggest thing that's turning his poll numbers.
Is his vice president is unpushih popular for reasons we
don't have to get into, but she is, and people
(05:04):
are worried about his age. Now the guy running against him,
in my humble opinion, is one of the most dangerous,
unhinged people in modern American life and is damn near
as old. So between the two, to me, it's a
pretty obvious choice. I do understand where people would like
a difference alternative option. I just assumed that would just
(05:26):
if there were going to be an alternative option, I
assumed it would be Gavin Newsom. I figured that's why
he's doing this debate with DeSantis. But maybe he's trying
to wait the Cuban trying to I mean, if you
call this correct, that is an all timer. I don't like.
That is not where my head went. I thought, I'll
be totally honest. My initial head went to, like, is
(05:48):
there a scandal that's coming? Like is he yeah? And
I'm not wishing that upon him, But I'm just being
totally honest, Like, Okay, you're getting away from Shark Tank,
you're selling your share of the MAVs. Is something coming
out that could put you at a very weakended position.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That's probably if I had to guess a second take,
that would be it.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And if you have a deal with the new owner
part of the sale, I get to control the team.
That's kind of hard to unwind almost no matter what,
Like I wouldn't have sold you the team otherwise. What
I will say is this because people don't you know,
I'm sure a fair amount of your viewers and listeners
don't love my politics. That's fine. I think Cuban would
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be an excellent leader. I think Cuban and I think
he is. I think there's a lot of I think
there are a lot of rich people, like uber rich
people that I am not sure how sharp they are. Like, eh, like,
I think you probably were very smart about a very
(06:57):
specific thing, and to your credit, right timing, rite whatever
turn it into a ton of money. And far too
many people treat those folks as brilliant visionaries when a
m I have just been like, eh, that's pretty you know,
good timing, and I'm really smart at this certain thing. Cuban,
I've read enough things that he's said. I've seen him.
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He's been in my life for twenty something, in my life,
you know what I mean? In our lives for twenty
some years. I'm pretty confident saying that's sharp guy to
sharp guy. In also what I will say about whatever hope,
because the overwhelming odds are the next president is either
going to be you know, Joseph Robin at Biden or
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Donald Trump. Whoever comes after either one of those guys,
because neither one of them can run again. Now assuredly,
if you know, if Trump wins, he will attempt to
not ever have to run again, just to be president
for life. There's a word for that. I don't know
what it is. Whoever comes after one of those guys,
(08:00):
I really hope they are more of the moment, because
I do think we are facing some real challenges from
a technological standpoint of the world changing. And it's not
I'm not trying to do like AI panic, but that's
certainly a part of it AI. And just as the
(08:22):
world evolves that it certainly feels like I don't need
them to be AOC's age or my age. I think
me and AOC about the same age. She's probably a
little younger, but someone that you Colin Cowverd wouldn't feel
like you had to call sir or ma'am or mister
or missus, because they are so much older than you.
(08:44):
I would like and so Cuban fits that. Bill Knews
fits that bill. For the folks on the right side
of the Aisle DeSantis fits that bill I do, I
would like the younger. And by younger again, I just
mean people my parents like, or a little younger than
my parents, to have more of the because it's not
(09:06):
just president, it's you know, up until recently, the Speaker
of the House, the leader of the Senate. These are
all you know, much much older folks that I'm not
saying they're not sharp enough to understand what's happening. What
I'm saying is there's a level of understanding things that
you use or grew up with or something that is
(09:29):
always going to be hard in the same way that
I simply don't. I'm not good at TikTok and I'm
really good at Twitter because I came up using Twitter,
and TikTok was you know what I mean is the
last five years and I'm like, ah, my teenage daughters
gets it more than me. So yeah, but if Cuban
runs for president, I mean that a that'd be a
(09:49):
hell of a call by you, b you could probably
convince him to create a cabinet of sports and make
you the secretary of it, like you're you and Bill
Simmons at arm wrestle over it. That'd be something else, man,
that would be something else.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So you know, last week we didn't talk a ton
of sports, and I do have a non sports topic
I'll get to, but there is a sports thing where.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know I've said before, we're all morally flexible. Okay,
we're all morally flexible. We all speed. I drove about
eighty getting to my house today. That I don't have
a speeding ticket. You know, if I gone through a
school district, I wouldn't. But it was all, like you know,
just freeways and stuff. And it is interesting the position
(10:34):
that I and you're not a big college football fan.
But it's beyond that that I know Jim Harbaugh's program
did something that appears to be deceptive, but it doesn't
bother me. And the reason it doesn't bother me is because,
and it's probably two or three different reasons. One, it's
like taxes. If I write off a bottle of wine,
(10:56):
I'm not the first, and I'm kind.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Of a sucker.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
If I don't right, like, at some point you're like E.
And the other thing about it is, I feel, deep
down because this has been sourced multiple times, there's been
so much cheating going on, and I don't think Harbaugh
and Michigan's history indicates they ever bought players or skirted
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the system. But I sort of feel like a lot
of people that are pissed off are Southern college football
fans who now acknowledge, you know, Michigan and everybody can
buy players too, and now the nil and transfer portal,
it's even the playing field out. And I think that,
combined with Harbaugh's unique personality, I'm rooting for Jim to
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not be punished too severely.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Why listen, I agree with almost all of that, and
so a few things. One is, it's also bad for
college football if he's punished super severely, because it makes
it more likely he leaves college football, and Jim Harbaugh
is good for college football. Nobody benefits from Jim Harbaugh
going to coach the Bears other than potentially the Bears,
(12:09):
and so he's good for college football. I also don't
think there's a lot of people out actually outraged by this.
I think there are people that either at an axe
to grind or have their own purposes served by Michigan
being dinged, that are acting like they are deeply morally outraged.
(12:31):
I'm not acting like there aren't moral outrages in sports.
There are sometimes It almost always to me, involves off
field violence, particularly off field violence towards people that can't
really defend themselves. And I've never been one that's I'm
not that outraged by when pre andil guys paid for players.
(12:52):
I wasn't that outraged. I'm not that outraged by a
pro athlete getting in a bar fight. There are different
things though that everybody knows what they are where you're like, no,
that's on the pale, and it makes me feel kind
of scummy rooting for this guy or this team. And
that's but this was not a hard one for me.
It did not seem like now there are, And so
we all have different lines. If the scandal was and
(13:14):
maybe people will say, Nick, you're just drawing totally arbitrary lines,
so be it. If this was the allegation at Michigan Stadium,
at the Big House, they would systematically cut off the
ability for the opposing team to communicate. Coach to quarterback
in key moments. I would think that is a massive violation,
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that is to me, And again I don't know why
that is category.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
There were camquarterers, it would have been very difficult to
get those tickets that would have taken you a week.
And camcorders set up in a room in an office, people,
this is CD iPhone.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It just isn't the same exactly right, And it also
didn't it felt like whenever there is a system that
is built around the assumption there is some level of cheating,
that cheating existing doesn't bother me that much. And by
that I mean the reason college football has four guys
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faces on a placard as a sign and then they
change it up or all these things is because there
is the assumption as some of our signs might be
stolen at some point. Nobody thinks that's not happening. Ever,
so this one didn't. I agree with you on this.
This one didn't rise to the level of felony. Now,
(14:41):
with that said, what did I don't want to say
bother me, but at least I found a little irritating
was Michigan acting like they are this persecuted, you know,
totally innocent babe. In the Woods and the Michigan I
understand in sports, but the Michigan versus everybody and this
idea that they have been wronged. I don't think Michigan
(15:03):
has been wronged. I don't think they're the victim. But
I also don't think they victimized anyone on any substantial level.
And I think this. I think they're the best college
football team in the country. You're right. I don't watch
nearly as much as you do, but I watch the
biggest games, and I'm very familiar with the teams that
are in the argument for the best college football team
(15:26):
in the country. And I know Georgia fans are gonna
be like, we haven't lost in three years, maybe it
should be us. I get that. I think Michigan has
just can can beat you in almost every way. I
don't think that. I don't think they're gonna beat you
forty nine to forty five. I understand that. Yeah, but
their defense is too good, in my opinion, to let
a game get to forty nine to forty five. And
(15:48):
so I just I'm really impressed by them. I'm really
impressed by them, and I'll be surprised if iowas scores
seven points. I know that game's on Fox.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Everyone should watch it, but I'll be surprised by residential system.
Our judicial system has layers of crimes, like levels of crimes.
And this, of course is like speeding. Yes, Jim went
too fast and probably flipped the burden of maserati going
ninety two at eighty in an Acura. It wouldn't have
(16:17):
been outrageous, but it was kind of in your face,
over the top if it's true. Right, it was a little,
but it's still speeding. It's not it's not burglary.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's it is yeah, correct, this is this is at
worse to use the judicial analogy the most severe misdemeanor.
It does not qualify as like the least severe felony.
This is at most like walking out of the supermarket
(16:50):
and with something in your you know, doing the self
checkout and being like, oh, I forgot the stuff at
the bottom of my cart. I'm sorry, Like, yeah, you might.
They might even give you a for it, but it's
not for you probably don't need to hire an attorney.
Like that's to me the level that that it was at.
And also that's why your since your show does your
(17:11):
pod and your show does the substantial mound of college football.
You guys talked about it. We on my pod and
on my TV show. We haven't talked about it once,
like like, it's just not our like I don't think.
But if it was a true scandal, it was, we would.
We don't talk a ton of baseball. When the Astros
thing was going on, we at least talked about that
and what it meant. And again, that felt different. Maybe
(17:34):
this is me sounding like an old man, but it
felt different because there the allegation of using course like
high level technology felt like it was different than you
know what I mean, My my guy at second base
can see the sign the catcher's giving and we got
a little system built in. It just felt different.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Let's piv to something else you talked about, But it
was part of this the overstated anger often apparent on
social media that doesn't exist. And so I've had this
feeling forever that, for instance, very few people hate Joe Biden.
He's sleepy, he would be picking on an old guy,
(18:19):
but his poll numbers are plummeting, and I think I
think it's inflation. I think it's very simply that I
used to go to the grocery store, and it would
be about fifty five dollars to get the twelve to
fifteen items I go get once a week. It's now
seventy three. I notice, well, what if your working class
couple of kids long commute to work, gas prices up.
(18:41):
That's the polling numbers. It's not that suddenly everybody hates
Biden or everybody now has forgotten Trump and his past.
It's simply the economy. But if you go to social media,
it's nobody likes Joe Biden. It's not that it's overstated anger.
(19:02):
And the truth is, if you go look at the
history of our politics, for instance, the midterms, liberals did
pretty well. Recent elections, liberals did well. I don't believe
now suddenly it's going to be an avalanche to the right.
What I believe is happening is our government's trying to
get it under control. These are why the interest rates
are so high. Inflation is worse than we're talking about.
(19:23):
You and I are a bit in a bubble. But
when I go to the grocery store or McDonald's. I
drove via McDonald's the other day and I was with
my step son and he goes have you gone there lately?
And I said, I usually go in the summer. I'll
go get some French fries when I want to assault high.
And he said, it used to be thirteen and now
you've got to break a second bill. Now it's twenty one.
(19:44):
So you go from given a twenty and getting seven back.
Do you have to give him a second bill? It
pisses people off and so overstated anger. Now we can
go back to sports. But I tend to think this
is something I tell people all the time when you're
creating a show, when you're acknowledging a problem, don't fall
(20:04):
for anger that doesn't exist in your neighborhood. Very few things.
The last thing that pissed people off that I remember
was that submarine. The dad got his son on it
and it blew up. That pissed a lot of parents off.
That made me visceral reaction. I was mad at that dad.
But by and large, Nick, I am probably outraged twice
(20:27):
a year.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That is it. Well, so this is interesting thing, and
maybe this is a conversation in and of itself. And
by the way, remind me at some point there's a
lebron thing. I want to talk to you about not surprisingly,
but they've just remind me at some point the I am.
(20:50):
I am starting to because for a long time I
was of the belief that too much of our colleagues
and two more, much of media in general, is reacting
to the loudest voices on social media and that that
(21:12):
is not really what matters, and that the average person
doesn't even know about it or care about all those things.
That's kind of how I felt, and I felt a
lot of people were treating Twitter like real life in
ways they shouldn't. All those things. Here is my concern.
I think we are approaching that it almost has become
(21:34):
a self fulfilling prophecy in that you're right, people are
not often that outraged. But if we are fed so
much outraged and then we believe everyone is outraged, it
then leads to that being real and in a weird way.
And this is again I apologize I'm building quite the
(21:56):
bridge here, But there was the story yesterday that Sports
Illustrated what was Let's left the Sports Illustrated that some
of their articles are being written by AI, fake people,
AI headshots, AI stories, the whole line, and it's pretty
outrageous and it's a really really sad stop, final stop
(22:18):
for a once proud brand. And I just started thinking.
I was like, god, damn man, like we are approaching
somewhat rapidly, like they're not being any authoritative voices or
publications that actually can set listen. Here are the things
(22:40):
that matter, here's the bullshit. And if we lose those entirely,
then what is the difference between what people are actually
mad about and what social media or Twitter says everybody's
mad about? That then sets the conversation, Like I I
I'm not I'm not explaining this perfectly, but I do
(23:02):
wonder there's the right now. So there's a very dark
corner of social media that is furious with Malika Andrews
for no reason whatsoever. In my opinion, I think it's
so wildly unfair, but it is so amplified and so
(23:23):
in your face. If you if you even tipstep your
toe into like NBA Twitter, does that actually now mean
that's the reality? Like if there is is like for her,
it's the reality, Like it's what she's dealing with. I'm
now mentioning it. It's like even if it was all bullshit,
if enough, if enough, there's enough amplification of the bullshit?
(23:46):
Does that make the bullshit the real thing? And that that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Legit concerns I'm legitimately concerned by bad executives, and I
don't think Fox has a very big number of these
that are reactionary and think.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
It's the truth. So I think Malika Andrews is on
a short list of six or seven people the single
most talented person at ESPN. I think she's on a
very short list. If I literally forget anything a singular
host in the country, she'd probably be one or two.
(24:22):
That's how highly I think of her.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
She I mean, this is gonna sound that and I'll
let you finish. As arrogant as it is, She's one
of the only people in the country younger than me
that I'm like, God, dog, it might be more talented her.
It hurts. It hurts my heart, Like I don't I
don't want to say it, like I have no jealousy
or bitterness towards anyone in the business older than me,
because I'm like, ah, by the time i'm their age,
(24:46):
I'll be better. But anyone younger than me, I'm like
keeping track of them. I'm like, ah, where are they at?
And so yeah, so we so we we agree on
that this is where boss is really met deeply truly
matter and where real for any we got a lot
of I had a bunch of people respond to the
discussion we did last week about local radio and media.
(25:07):
I think media people, especially younger media people, appreciated some
of the conversations we have, so those people are listening.
This is one thing that I will tell you. If
you are in the creative space and the no walking
without a net space, which anyone doing live radio or
television or anything live is, it really matters who your
(25:28):
bosses are because you are going to step in it.
We all step in it to varying degrees on varying things.
And there are certain things that no matter how good
your boss is, if you say something truly objectionable, nobody's
gonna be able to save you. But there's gonna be
times where people get really, really mad at you. And
(25:50):
whether or not that scares them, whether or not they
know this is a temporary moment and we will move
past it. And whether or not they back you is
as important as anything ever, as important as anything.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know you are one of the true opinionists in
the country. Beyond me A lot of people are hosts
who host shows, but they're not really opinionists.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They don't want to be called out. I consider myself
not an importance, but I consider myself Joe Rogan Stern,
Bill Maher, Hannity Madow. I'm an opinionist that can break
a story. I am not a host. You're not a host.
We're opinionists. And research indicates seven to eight strong opinions
(26:37):
a day over the course of a two to three
hour show. Nobody's going seven to zero. In fact, if
you are, you're taking safe opinions which will be punitively
punishing you in the ratings. People listen to the guy
at the sports bar who's got the strongest opinion. And
you and I both are strong opinion people. So I
was always looked at it when I I have not
(26:59):
one time at Fox eight years, not one time as
Fox ever said you know that opinion, not once, not
with a mistake, not with an epinian.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So that's something people don't know. So that's something the people.
That's one of the bigger questions I get. And just
to listen, not to give you know, our TV bosses,
you know all they spend a ton of time giving
them credit. But they on this note, I think they
deserve a ton of credit. Which is one of the
biggest questions I get, is like, ooh, you know Fox Sports,
(27:31):
Fox News. Obviously the Murdoch family has pretty well known.
I don't think I'm breaking news here. Political feelings and
leanings and whatever it is. How much does that impact
what you guys say? And I tell them to honest
to god truth, I've hosted my show for over six years.
There has not been one email. There's not been one
phone call. And now that's easy when we're just like, hey,
(27:54):
who's going to win the super Bowl? But the show
had just started in the midst of the Kaepernick stuff,
Trump calling them sons of bitches. You know, a few
years ago we were deep in it that when the
bubble happened in the George Floyd protests. It's not like
we are always just talking sports. We are talking about
real stuff. And I have never once gotten a note
(28:16):
on oh no, you can't what are you going to
say on this? You can't say that? And that is
and I do think there is the first time you
get one of those, because this happened to me a
different spot there is and it wasn't even about anything important.
It was about what I would if what I was
(28:37):
gonna say about the head coach of the Texans, the
dumbest thing imaginable, but they're a partner in this or whatever.
Once you get one of those, there is a chilling effect.
There is like a oh am, I what I And
then you can't fully be you. And I'm not even
talking about when I say we're all gonna step in
it just like have an opinion that you know has
(28:57):
proven wrong or whatever. I'm talking about just doing live
that's what you would. So you mentioned, uh matt Ou
or mar that that there are some folks that are opinionists,
but they have every second mapped down and their brilliance
is making it appear they are delivering it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Like Relation Williams doing comedy.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yes, there you go, the and so, but they've actually
planned it all out. You and I I think do
it similarly, which is we have a skeleton of what
we're going to talk about, and then it goes where
where our brain goes and what is you know what
I mean? And sometimes that leads to screw ups or
(29:44):
that leads to oh shoot ah, I forgot that whatever,
And having people that you know will back you. Is
to me, just critically, critically, critically.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Four weeks ago, I was talking. A producer talked to
me at the same time I was talking, and I
butchered a word I didn't know because I couldn't hear
me talking because a producer was talking. So it's just
I always think one of the most amazing, amazingly difficult
jobs is play by play of football. So you got
three hours and you got you know, you got Greg
Olsen up there with Burkehart. They got commercial reads, they've
(30:16):
got the crowd, they have a sideline person, they have
a director in their ear. Whenever I see criticism in
a big game of a play by play announcer A Tarrico,
A Nance, A Buck Burkhart, you have no idea how
hard it is to do that game. It's I've I've
been on those headsets. It makes my job look like
(30:38):
a layup. And that's a three sixty wind mill dunk.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So I, yeah, I can't imagine that. By the way,
you have Greg. You have a relationship with Greg Olsen, right, yeah, okay,
please tell him it doesn't have to be on the air.
I think he is and I have a I have
a pretty high standard for color commentators in backball and
football basketball the NBA vast majority of games I listened
(31:05):
to on mute, I watch on mute like I get
actively irritated by the commentary on most of the crews,
not all of them. Football is way better, but there
aren't a ton of color commentators that I think are
truly adding. I think Greg is so sharp and I thought,
(31:26):
like the other day, I forget even what game it was.
It might have been a Thanksgiving game, I don't know,
but we have the opportunity, the rare opportunity, the nerd
dream of the white whale, that is the free kick,
which is if you fair catch a punt, you can
kick from where you fair caught with no rush off
a tee. It's something I've heard about since I was
(31:49):
a kid. I've never seen because you need it, you
need have to be like a punt at the end
of the half that didn't field goal range. And the
moment it happened, I was like, oh my god, it
could be a freak. And before I even had the
thought out, Greg said it. Greg is I think. I
think Greg and Burkhart are awesome. I think that I
think the A teams. We're lucky as football fans that
(32:11):
the the biggest games like the NBC team's great. I
love I love collins Worth, I love his enthusiasm. Buck
and Aikman. It's unbelievable that Buck and Aikman have now
been together longer than Madden and Summer all were, which
is it seems impossible in my head, but it's true. There.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think Tony best year.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
The Romo and Nance just had one of the best
unscripted calls I can remember, not like a whin they
win the game, this is what I'm gonna say. But
the dron blaand picked six. He said this is history
when he still had three guys to beat. Anyway, it
wasn't history. He don't score and blaand picked him up
(32:52):
by making those guys miss. Yeah. I mean our football
crews are great, and I think Burkehart and Olsen are
as good as anybody. I think they're excellent. And another
guy you have on your show obviously we both love
Stink who's great. But Sanchez is really sharp. I think
Mark is really sharp and he has the second best
Harrit Fox. I don't know who has the best, but
he's really sharp, the volume
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