Colin Cowherd is joined by 'First Things First' host Nick Wright to discuss Tom Brady's appearance on The Herd today and how he will fare as an NFL broadcaster at FOX (4:00). Luka Doncic and the Mavericks lost the NBA Finals to the Boston Celtics but will Luka ever be able to improve his defense and lead the Mavs to an NBA Championship (13:00)?
Finally, they discuss bad actors on the internet farming for engagement and why it’s degraded online discourse in both sports and life (25:00)..
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(01:15):
All right, it's my buddy Nick. Right, We're gonna chop
it up for an hour. This is gonna be fun.
We disagree strongly on a couple of things. I think
he's gonna like one of my comps today. But let's
just start talking about me. Yes, Tom Brady, it's just start.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know what can we I have a confession to
make and then you do whatever you want to do.
I did something wholly unprofessional today, the guy under the
guise of complimenting and congratulating my friend, which is the
moment Collin's show went to break. When I knew for
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a fact he was within arms distance of Tom Brady
and I assumed all of our bosses. I made the
most opportunity mystic FaceTime call of my life.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It was they facetimed Colin because I knew he was
he was with Brady, and I'm like, this might be
my best chance, just because if I'm being honest, you
know you said you you know you had a few
cameos in one of Brady's documentaries.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I damn near deserve royalties for how often I was
suppered and saying, oh, the end is nigh, and then
he'd win a championship. And so I was hoping to
maybe be like, Hi, Tom, We'd love to have you
on the show sometime, but either way, glad you're a teammate.
And Colin graciously answered the call while he was basking
(02:45):
in the afterglow of thirty minutes with Tom. But I
didn't get that chance. But now go ahead, and that
I've made that confession, go ahead and say what you
know your.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Day with no Well, what was? It was funny because
you know I I've said before the only time not
that I got nervous, but when I was doing Barack
Obama twice, I came in and really prepared, like if
he threw me a curveball, even political, like I preped
for that for two days. And with Brady, I didn't
feel I had to, but I knew the bosses would
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be watching. So the day starts and all of a sudden,
I'm seeing management all over the studio. I'm like, guys,
I got this, don't forget to do and remember, and
I'm like I started laughing at him. I'm like, you guys,
come down here for one reason you're firing me, or
I've got like somebody important on I've been doing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
This thirty years. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's Tom Brady, Tommy talks.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We're all good.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But it was funny to watch, you know, I mean,
because Brady's important for the company, and you know they
it's a big move. He's Tom Brady, it's Fox, it's
the NFL. You know, Greg Golsen was terrific, so you
want to make sure he's good. They'll I think they'll
both be great. But there's just a lot of things
going on here. So it was kind of a funny,
strangely tense day. But the great part about it is Tom,
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for all that hovers around him, is just about as
normal as you're gonna get jeans, tennis shoes, you know,
just comes in, He's like, hey, it's great to meet you.
Just Tom's like a nice guy. He really you can
you know how you've met people before and you think
more they must have had good parents, sure, right, Like
you can tell he's just very very grounded. I mean,
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everywhere Tom goes, people are reaching at him and he
just he's he just couldn't be more normal nice.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So here's so I I you know, my experience with
the interviews obviously exponentially different than yours. You're doing it,
I'm watching it, but my takeaway was different. And I
think that you and I both have enough credibility with
the audience built up to know like, we're not shills
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for anybody, We're gonna be honest about what we think.
But I found myself edge of my seat is probably
touch too strong, but leaning in to every time he
was even coming close to breaking down how he thought
about football, and it made me really excited for how
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he's gonna call games, because there is this school of
thought and Tom said it in in a kind of
a kind way, but a lot of people are there
is a school of thought among some people that think
the play by play in the color commentator is almost
an overstated importance job because people are watching the game.
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People want to see the game, and I understand that
in a lot of instances, and a lot of instances
I think it doesn't matter who's calling the game. We're
watching the game. But I found myself just in this
interview being like, oh, I really want to learn about
how he processed and how his mind works when it
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comes to playing the quarterback position and the stuff he
was saying about the how he would react to a
different defensive look, and the pregame prep that it took
all of that, and it made me super excited for
to hear him in real time, to watch a football
game and get to see because this is and now
(06:21):
I'm gonna be self important, You're gonna laugh at me.
I think I really, I think I am an elite
football watcher. And by that I mean I think I
am top one percent in the world at watching a
game and noticing things like oh, I think that guy
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might have just tweaked something. Oh I think they misspoted,
the all of it. And to be able to see
watch a game and that Tom's watching and commenting on
and see how many times like what he said, like
oh I was thinking something similar or I had that.
I'm really excited for it, like I am. I do
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think it is a massive It is having you know
there we've at We had Magic Johnson call NBA games,
but it wasn't really his strength, like having someone like that,
and I'm gonna add one other thing. I also think
a uniqueness of it is so much of his superpower
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was his processing, so it's less about I was able
to do it because, like, I'll use Terry. I know
Terry doesn't call games. Anyone that's ever been a rheum
with Terry Bradshaw, it's like, oh, a lot of the
reason you're Terry Bradshaw is because I don't know how
old he is. But even at this age, you could
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kick everybody's ass in this room, except for Howie Long.
Like you are a big, strong and you know the
But so much of Tom is I outthought, out prepared.
So I and I that came across in the thirty
minutes you spent with him. I was worried you were
going to take the interview into the first hour of
First things first. I didn't think you were ever going
to break. I was like, we might not be on
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the air today.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Boys, Yeah, no, it's I kind of feel like this
sounds weird, But every time I interview Tom, I feel
it's a chapter. So I tried to stay today because
I'm gonna interview him several more times. I tried to
stay in his I talked a lot about process today
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about broadcasting number one receivers offensive line, so I wanted
him to talk about process today as a season comes
upon us, it'll be more about the game the moment.
But I like today today all I thought about was
I want to I want to introduce Tom how he
thinks to the audience. This is a process day, and
he just tends to be the best processed athlete have
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we have we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So you know how you said you're a one percent
football watcher. Yeah. So football is such a collation aberration
sport that it is hard. That's why excellent gms can
struggle on quarterbacks, first round wide receivers, first round tight ends.
I mean, have you ever noticed the position that rarely
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misses in the first round? It's guard center, because that's
if you have a weakness, you're protected. It's a strong unit.
But a quarterback, a wide receiver, you're often doing your
own thing, a corner And so in football, even though
I love the sport, it is hard to project how
quarterbacks will work within the collaboration and the system. Are
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they smart enough? Are they coachable? Are they defensive insecure?
Are they confident but not cocky? I think in basketball,
though it's my second favorite sport to all footballs, I
am pretty accurate on something. Is that because it's an
more independent sport. I really pay attention to personality and
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interviews and how you respond to questions. And a European
player just because the culture is different than a domestic player.
It's just different, the way they're taught, the way they
grow up. They drink wine, they smoke more often. You know,
it's a different culture. They tend to come in speaking
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multiple languages. You know, the European Union, it's you're kind
of it's a collective, whereas in America it's the South
is different than the West, is different than the Northeast.
It's the French school system. There's a lot of there's different.
So I look at personalities and I've been right on
a lot of players very early. Whereas I didn't buy Westbrook.
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I was very much don't buy Intomelo as a winning
player or Derek Rose.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And the.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Avalanche of criticism comes down that you don't know the sport,
you don't watch it. But I think personality matters more
in basketball because the individual matters so much more. It's
not as big a collective. The Celtics are very unique.
It's a collection more than it is a star. And
this is where you and I disagree with Luca. I
think you can coach people out of virtually anything except indifference,
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and I believe he is such an offensive prodigy, he
is indifferent to defense and it will never be great.
Now now you say, well, well, Kobe became a very
good defensive player. Kobe's idol was Michael Jordan, who is
a great defensive player. So players that idolized Michael all
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played defense. Most of them played the guys. The Kobe's
Michael played defense. That was part of his aura was
he was a hard ass. Who is Luca? Who is
his idol? Who is his is? I think he has
much more in common with Melo that he is so
gifted offensively. Mellow was better than Lebron offensively from initially
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he was just more better scorer that that. I'm not
sure that you'll ever convince Luca the defense man.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So here's so, here's where I'm gonna push back. So
Luca is on the record when he came into the
league that he grew up idolizing Lebron. Lebron is who
he modeled his game after. And you see it now.
He then signed with Jordan Brand and all of a sudden,
he's an mj Acolyte. It's amazing how that works out.
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But one when when Luca was, you know, unsullied by endorsement,
he was a big Lebron guy. Now Luca is never
going to be the athlete Lebron is like that, I
I really And by the way, nobody is I am.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Hurlabab vulgaris who now owns a talk about the Golden Life. Man.
Guy was a professional gambler, greatest NBA better of all time,
made maybe a billion that's probably oversetting him, but close
to it in crypto from his gambling winnings. Bought a
Spanish soccer team and now they've moved up multiple divisions.
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What a life. But he also helped run the MAVs
when they drafted Luca. Hralabab tweeted out a clip a
few days ago of twenty five year old Lebron James,
like a four minute clip of his blocks and dunks
and everything, like reminding everyone, like, guys, what this guy
was at his peak athleticism. It was just it was
un unfathomable and we haven't seen any like it since.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, Lebron is the only guarantee in American sports history.
Let's just do basketball football. Yeah that there is no
question that if he has chosen football, he would have
been a multiple time Pro Bowl Oh yeah, no question,
no question, not even debatable. He would have been one
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of the best tight ends of all time. Let's stop
debating it. Six ' eight two fifty, fast, with great hands, envision, and.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Seemingly indestructible for fifteen for seventeen years. But okay, yeah,
so there are obviously things Lebron could do that Luca
never will be able to do because of the athleticism.
But stylistically they're very similar. As far as I'm gonna
have the ball in my hands, i am going to
control an offense. I will try to pick on people
in a pick and roll. I will spoon feed players
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open threes and lob dunks like all of it. He's
not gonna be the defender Lebron was. There was a
five year period with Lebron was one of the every
year was top five defensive player the year voting and
I think twice or three times second place. It's not
gonna be that guy. My argument is he doesn't need
to be. Can't can can Luca be Steph Kerr? Defensively? Obviously,
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Can he be Magic Johnson defensively? Obviously? Has he already
shown improvement for Romeros a few years ago? Yes, the
the so I think that. So here's what I think
about Luca. I think that his bad defensive moments are
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so glaring and obvious because he's just not running down
the court. He is just standing there. He's angry, he's
and I also think every game he walks a fine
line between I Am going to get so enraged with
every fan, every ref that I end up playing my
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best basketball and I'm going to get so enraged with
every fan, every ref that it takes me out of
my game and I'm like almost playing in protest. He's
got to mature in that regard. But the part of
the mellow thing that I the reason I pushed back
so much on that comp is, is that Luca already
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has done more winning than Melo did. Luca made the
Melo made a conference finals once. Luca did that in
year four. Luca's already made an NBA finals. And he
is a willing passer of the ball and the guys
who and a guy who has people bring up Harden
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because Harden was a willing passer of the ball the
hardon though every single year of his career got worse
than the playoffs, Luca, every year of his career except
for this one, his numbers have gotten better in the playoffs.
So I just think that there was there was never
a moment where Mello was credibly a consensus top three player.
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Luca is right now, and so I just I disagree
with you on Luis.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah and yeah, by the way I've said, I think
Luca is a much better Carmelo Anthony. By the way,
Michael was a better Kobe, not always much better, but better.
Kobe had better range. I thought Kobe was a really
clever passer when he decided to a very good ball handler.
Michael was a better Kobe. I think Luca is a
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much better Carmelo. But there are traits and indifference to
certain things like being in shape, indeed so concerned.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Being in shape thing. He has to grow up on
that part. That part. So here's the deal. I think
that there is. I think it is very very difficult
for people who have succeeded at every step. I mean,
this guy's playing in the second biggest league in the
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world at sixteen and one MVP of it, at eighteen,
like and won the championship at eighteen, not in some
small league, in the second best basketball league in the world,
to the NBA. He then gets to the NBA, wins
Rookie of the Year and then succeed succeeds carries a
team to conference finals. Last year they fail, but it
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feels more about the team. Was weird that he and
Kyrie did in gel This year they make it all
the way to the finals, and yes he was banged up,
but he also knows he was a little out of gas.
I think it is very hard for any if anyone
has a bad habit that they are succeeding despite, I
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don't think they ever kick it until that bad habit bites.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I said, yep, I've said before. The only way you
quit smoking is if your doctor says you're going.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
To die right then. And there's a lot of people
who I'm gonna gain used we were using dark analogies.
There are a lot of people listening who were what
I I'm sure what I would call very regular tipsy drivers.
It was just I, you know, never didn't call cabs whatever.
(19:03):
He's like, oh my buddies, have a few drinks, drive home,
and did it hundreds of times and never were and
people were like, ah, you shouldn't drive and only stopped
because they got pulled over and they got a dui
like there is And again that's a dark analogy, but
the point is it is if someone says to you,
you've got to be in better shape, You've got to
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be in better shape, and you're like, oh, really, because
I keep averaging thirty five points a game in the
playoffs and being first team All NBA. But this year
and this year, I know they made the finals, but
he did seem out of gas at times, and so
in order to be able to play one hundred game seasons,
which is what he's got to do, he does have
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to be in better shape. That part's fair, and he
can't always be mad at the refs that part. But
I just think the reason I thought the focus on
the defense was overstated was that MAVs didn't lose this
finals because of the defense the MAVs. This craziest stat
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of the NBA season is the worst five game stretch
Boston had all year as far as points scored, was
the NBA Finals. They didn't have another five game stretch
all year where they scored for killing and they killed
the bosson. The MAVs didn't lose because of their defense.
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They lost because they couldn't score, which was because of
Boston's defense. It was mav It wasn't that Dallas's defense
was a problem. It was that Boston's defense was a
plus for four of those five games and strangled the
MAVs offense.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So I'm gonna throw this at you. There's so many
bad actors on the internet. It's so bad, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Sweet christ Man. Can I tell you what happened before
you even throw it at me? Because I don't think
people know what happened because there there's always been bad actors,
but it seems like out of nowhere it has gotten
way worse quickly. And I it so I have, I
think a very credible theory here. So remember how Elon
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made it so you can get paid off your tweets.
So I don't think people really paid a lot of
attention to that because people were like, I'm not paying
for that eight dollars a month check mark whatever. But
so some of us a few months ago just got great,
like got the check mark. It's like you're a notable account.
We want you to have one whatever it is, So
(21:40):
I didn't. I just got it. I got a I
got a notification a week ago saying you earned eight
hundred and ten dollars last month. Huh so, and I
just tweet clips from the show and my.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Takes same here.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
But because I got grandfathered into this program or whatever
I'm like, it's monetization is available. So I guess if
I give them my bank account info, which I don't
know that I will do, but if I I have
eight hundred dollars from my tweets in May, okay, So
why am I to bring that up? That didn't used
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to be a thing. It used to be you could
grow a following and then maybe sell ads whatever it is.
But now it is direct deposit into your account based
on interactions of your tweets. So now you have the
worst actors in America who are incentivized to say the
shittiest things or dishonest things, or like the totally harmless
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version of it is. Oh man, people forget Peyton Pritchard
is a problem like saying things just to get dunked on,
like people said Steph Curry can't. But the worst version
of it is I am going to try to stoke
racial tension in America through this video that will go
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viral because I'm literally going to make a thousand bucks
off it. So that's not Yeah, that's not a theory.
That's exactly what's happening. Yes, that that's not Listen, I'm
not you know me, I make fun of conspiracy theorists.
I have a theory on conspiracy theories that the as
the world get AI is just going to enhance this.
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We're going to get more and more conspiracy theories because
there's been an explosion of them. Why because the fluidity
and the changes that technology are doing to our life,
and people want answers, and so when people don't have answers,
they lose their job. Inflation, people are seeking stability and
foundational truths and they don't have answers. So conspiracy theories
(23:54):
give people answers. Is their life gets more filled with anxiety.
Psychologists have talked about.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This technology is enhanced and dominates our society, you're going
to get a more conspiracy driven in.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
This is not from conspiracy theory. This is what's now.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is just yeah, this is what. So what's happening
is as AI is going to put a lot of
people out of work. Social media is going to become
a real income for a lot of people. I all, Bee,
as you know, I make a massive TV income, radio income,
volume income, DraftKings like, I don't need social media. There's
(24:34):
no value in it for me other than to.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Promote my companies, right exactly right, right right right, So
there's no I don't even care about it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It doesn't matter to me. But for a lot of
people that even successful people, they don't have a radio show,
a TV show, they make six figures on social media.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
If I could make a thousand bucks in a month
by accident, right then I'm like, oh that, I was like,
so just think. I was like, what the average the
average income in this country is like around fifty I'm like,
so then, yeah, of course there are going to be
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people out there that are just going to all and
what what do we know gets interaction and reaction because
I don't know if you were taking this to Caitlin
and Angel, I don't know where you were taking this initially,
but what I know what we know will make waves
on Twitter in particular, is anything to doing with racial
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tension or racial or they in either direction and I
just I see people tweeting out videos of clearly like
obvious like skits like old skits or scenes from an
old not Chappelle show, but something less famous, and presenting
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it as if this was a real life thing that
happened purely because idiots will believe it. People who aren't
full blown idiots will think, oh, I'm going to dunk
on this person. Meanwhile, they're just like, I just made
forty bucks. I do ten of these in a day,
and I make more money than I was gonna make
up my job, and it is just flooded. They have
(26:23):
flooded the song with nonsense and bullshit.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
By the way, there are people in our industry who
have credible jobs who are using YouTube to the same degree,
making thirty thousand dollars on a YouTube clip talking about
their sex, life, politics, all sorts of stuff. So it's
some point your soul can't your foundational belief system can't
(26:50):
be about the dollar sign like you have to care about.
And I'm not lecturing you folks, do what you want
to do. But here's where I was going. Sorry I
took you, Oh no, don't be sorry. This is this
is why I do. A podcast is that there's so
many bad actors on the internet that will just dunk
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on the NBA. They don't care. They got their money.
When I hear people criticize Howard Stern, Howard makes one
hundred and twenty million a year at sirius XM. Do
you think he gives a shit that he doesn't have
the water cooler currency. He's got a seventy to ninety
(27:31):
million dollar home on the beach. I've seen it in
Boca ratone the highest. He's got the two highest real
estate properties in the East, the Hampton sag Harbor and
Boca Howard owns arguably the nicest home in both. He
doesn't give an f And people are like, Howard doesn't matter,
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It doesn't matter. And I think about this, like the
NBA got the bag they're gonna get. They're doing basically
what the NFL did. They're going to get a fourth
network to arguably overpay for it. They don't care. The
ratings are up to the people who pay for the money.
That's up to NBCESBN, the owners in the league and
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the players don't give us shit. Don't watch it, they
don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
So there were a lot of people highly invested in
the idea that any company that pays even just lip
service to the idea that you know, black folks spend
(28:43):
money to and gay folks spend money to that that
business model will fucking ruin them. And they even came
up with a super unique, original one hundred and fifty
iq slogan, go Meanwhile, we're at zero broke, We're at
(29:04):
zero Companies that previously were rolling that are now like, goddamn,
you know what, we put Black Lives Matter on the court,
and now no one will, nobody's going to games. And
they then try to twist themselves in knots and act
like that, oh they they're not doing it, or oh
(29:25):
it caught, No it didn't. There is I now again,
because I am not a bad faith actor, I will acknowledge.
I do think there was a time, and I do
think it hurt the ratings in multiple sports where people
felt there was too much, like we had overcorrected and
(29:47):
there was there was too much, whether you want to
call it politics, social justice, anything in our sports and
people got annoyed by it. I do think that happened,
but was presented as if it's going to be a
death knell when it was a paper cut and the
and it was the same folks that and I the
(30:09):
that when Nike uh signed Kaepernick, We're like, oh, check
out Nike's stock today, It's like, oh, can we get
an update on that? Hey, can we get a good
Did Nike all of a sudden in the last four
years start flying MAGA flags or are they still pretty
much as woke of a company as there is? I
think they are. I think they're doing just fine. And
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and it is And this is where the people making
that those arguments were either bad faith actors or morons.
And I am that one. I'm comfortable with the the
people making the argument of the NBA is killing big
trup in big trumple like buddy, you could were the
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ratings for this specific finals down? Yeah, in the midst
of it being down? Did they get seventy five billion dollars?
Did they triple their TV deal? Was it was? It?
Was it extortion? No, In fact, you have you have company,
you have major corporations who might end up making changes
(31:18):
at the top of the company because they screwed up
by not getting the NBA. So it was always bad faith.
It was just always bad faith actors that don't ever
that are very, very invested in the idea that everyone
thinks like them. That's the that is the that's the
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So I'm aware like I and I try to be
self aware of it, and I try to be conscious
of it. I'm aware that a lot of people who
watched the TV show have very different politics than I do,
which is why I think I keep it out of
it almost entirely. As I've said to you before, I
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don't think talking about race is talking politics, so I
will talk race, So I'm talking any politics on when
you and I are talking, even though I understand there
are people listening that have very different politics to me,
I feel like, you know what you are opting into
a Nick Wright Colin Cowhard conversation. I am going to
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respect that and give you my true, authentic thoughts on everything,
and hope we can understand that even if we disagree,
we can you know, agree on other certain things. But
I know that how I feel is not how the
whole world feels. There is a segment of the population
that is really invested in trying to convince people that
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eighty percent of the country plus agrees with them, and
this tiny minority that doesn't. Somehow oddly weirdly controls everything,
controls all these major corporations in the sports leagues, the media, everything,
And it's like, no, I just think Target has like
done the market research. It's like, hey, we're gonna sell
(33:13):
more T shirts if people think we're nice. Like, I
don't think it's they're trying to do some social engineering.
I think they're trying to sell as many things as possible.
And so that's yeah, that's my answer.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Listen, even left leaning, I would say Saturday Night Live
tends to lean more left than right. They've made fun
of woke. Bill Maher's made fun of woke, like there
are things that God that go too far?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Is that, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
My theory on America is that in the end, the
more change you have in technology and the more change
you have in the culture, the more people want a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich, macaroni and cheese and hang
out with their dog. We seek simplicity as the world
gets more complex. So I think, to me, one of
the things I think about constantly on my show is
(34:02):
simplifying complicated things. Is that people are on right, Like
that's literally what I think about. You know, whatever you
think about I think about that constantly.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Which is why, which is a very smart way to
go about it. But so that's where so I have,
I hope the self awareness and the honesty to be
able to be like, yeah, there are things that people
that are in my political tribe, if you will, that
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they say or espouse that. I'm like, yeah, I actually
I'm I'm not with that, like like it doesn't kill me,
but I you know, it's not where I would go
what I what I feel like fundamentally though, most people,
most people are more bothered by people that intentionally err
(35:02):
on the side of mean then people that go out
of their way to be nice, even if the way
they're going out of their way to be nice, it's like, okay,
that's a little much, you know what I mean, like
and and that's to me, that's why so I that
that's why so much of the so much of the
complaints about the NBA stuff was to me, people telling
(35:25):
on themselves where I'm like, you're really are you You're
writing on Twitter you saw end racism on the baseline
where there used to be a YouTube TV ad and
now you're like I'm turning the game off, like shut up,
like it was if it was if at halftime of
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the game, you know, Jason Tatum came out, was like,
now I want to, you know, give you a history
lesson about this. That'd be one thing. But I'm like,
I just think you are. You are bothered by an
idea that you can't quite explain, and it pisses you off.
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You don't know why, And I think the smartest corporations
and companies have been like, ah, that's actually just a
loud contingent on the Internet, and the majority of people
are either support us or like, eh, not my thing,
but not enough for me to change the channel, or
(36:32):
not enough for me to drive to the store down
the street when this one, you know, oh they're flying
a Pride flag. Okay, well I actually they also have
the cheapest diapers, so I just think I'm gonna go there,
Like it's just so stupid the volume.
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All right, it's my buddy Nick. Right, We're gonna chop
it up for an hour. This is gonna be fun.
We disagree strongly on a couple of things. I think
he's gonna like one of my comps today. But let's
just start talking about me. Yes, Tom Brady, it's just start.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know what can we I have a confession to
make and then you do whatever you want to do.
I did something wholly unprofessional today, the guy under the
guise of complimenting and congratulating my friend, which is the
moment Collin's show went to break. When I knew for
(01:49):
a fact he was within arms distance of Tom Brady
and I assumed all of our bosses. I made the
most opportunity mystic FaceTime call of my life.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It was they facetimed Colin because I knew he was
he was with Brady, and I'm like, this might be
my best chance, just because if I'm being honest, you
know you said you you know you had a few
cameos in one of Brady's documentaries.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I damn near deserve royalties for how often I was
suppered and saying, oh, the end is nigh, and then
he'd win a championship. And so I was hoping to
maybe be like, Hi, Tom, We'd love to have you
on the show sometime, but either way, glad you're a teammate.
And Colin graciously answered the call while he was basking
(02:45):
in the afterglow of thirty minutes with Tom. But I
didn't get that chance. But now go ahead, and that
I've made that confession, go ahead and say what you
know your.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Day with no Well, what was? It was funny because
you know I I've said before the only time not
that I got nervous, but when I was doing Barack
Obama twice, I came in and really prepared, like if
he threw me a curveball, even political, like I preped
for that for two days. And with Brady, I didn't
feel I had to, but I knew the bosses would
(03:15):
be watching. So the day starts and all of a sudden,
I'm seeing management all over the studio. I'm like, guys,
I got this, don't forget to do and remember, and
I'm like I started laughing at him. I'm like, you guys,
come down here for one reason you're firing me, or
I've got like somebody important on I've been doing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
This thirty years. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's Tom Brady, Tommy talks.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We're all good.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But it was funny to watch, you know, I mean,
because Brady's important for the company, and you know they
it's a big move. He's Tom Brady, it's Fox, it's
the NFL. You know, Greg Golsen was terrific, so you
want to make sure he's good. They'll I think they'll
both be great. But there's just a lot of things
going on here. So it was kind of a funny,
strangely tense day. But the great part about it is Tom,
(04:03):
for all that hovers around him, is just about as
normal as you're gonna get jeans, tennis shoes, you know,
just comes in, He's like, hey, it's great to meet you.
Just Tom's like a nice guy. He really you can
you know how you've met people before and you think
more they must have had good parents, sure, right, Like
you can tell he's just very very grounded. I mean,
(04:23):
everywhere Tom goes, people are reaching at him and he
just he's he just couldn't be more normal nice.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So here's so I I you know, my experience with
the interviews obviously exponentially different than yours. You're doing it,
I'm watching it, but my takeaway was different. And I
think that you and I both have enough credibility with
the audience built up to know like, we're not shills
(04:50):
for anybody, We're gonna be honest about what we think.
But I found myself edge of my seat is probably
touch too strong, but leaning in to every time he
was even coming close to breaking down how he thought
about football, and it made me really excited for how
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he's gonna call games, because there is this school of
thought and Tom said it in in a kind of
a kind way, but a lot of people are there
is a school of thought among some people that think
the play by play in the color commentator is almost
an overstated importance job because people are watching the game.
(05:39):
People want to see the game, and I understand that
in a lot of instances, and a lot of instances
I think it doesn't matter who's calling the game. We're
watching the game. But I found myself just in this
interview being like, oh, I really want to learn about
how he processed and how his mind works when it
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comes to playing the quarterback position and the stuff he
was saying about the how he would react to a
different defensive look, and the pregame prep that it took
all of that, and it made me super excited for
to hear him in real time, to watch a football
game and get to see because this is and now
(06:21):
I'm gonna be self important, You're gonna laugh at me.
I think I really, I think I am an elite
football watcher. And by that I mean I think I
am top one percent in the world at watching a
game and noticing things like oh, I think that guy
(06:42):
might have just tweaked something. Oh I think they misspoted,
the all of it. And to be able to see
watch a game and that Tom's watching and commenting on
and see how many times like what he said, like
oh I was thinking something similar or I had that.
I'm really excited for it, like I am. I do
(07:03):
think it is a massive It is having you know
there we've at We had Magic Johnson call NBA games,
but it wasn't really his strength, like having someone like that,
and I'm gonna add one other thing. I also think
a uniqueness of it is so much of his superpower
(07:25):
was his processing, so it's less about I was able
to do it because, like, I'll use Terry. I know
Terry doesn't call games. Anyone that's ever been a rheum
with Terry Bradshaw, it's like, oh, a lot of the
reason you're Terry Bradshaw is because I don't know how
old he is. But even at this age, you could
(07:45):
kick everybody's ass in this room, except for Howie Long.
Like you are a big, strong and you know the
But so much of Tom is I outthought, out prepared.
So I and I that came across in the thirty
minutes you spent with him. I was worried you were
going to take the interview into the first hour of
First things first. I didn't think you were ever going
to break. I was like, we might not be on
(08:05):
the air today.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Boys, Yeah, no, it's I kind of feel like this
sounds weird, But every time I interview Tom, I feel
it's a chapter. So I tried to stay today because
I'm gonna interview him several more times. I tried to
stay in his I talked a lot about process today
(08:28):
about broadcasting number one receivers offensive line, so I wanted
him to talk about process today as a season comes
upon us, it'll be more about the game the moment.
But I like today today all I thought about was
I want to I want to introduce Tom how he
thinks to the audience. This is a process day, and
he just tends to be the best processed athlete have
(08:49):
we have we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So you know how you said you're a one percent
football watcher. Yeah. So football is such a collation aberration
sport that it is hard. That's why excellent gms can
struggle on quarterbacks, first round wide receivers, first round tight ends.
I mean, have you ever noticed the position that rarely
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misses in the first round? It's guard center, because that's
if you have a weakness, you're protected. It's a strong unit.
But a quarterback, a wide receiver, you're often doing your
own thing, a corner And so in football, even though
I love the sport, it is hard to project how
quarterbacks will work within the collaboration and the system. Are
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they smart enough? Are they coachable? Are they defensive insecure?
Are they confident but not cocky? I think in basketball,
though it's my second favorite sport to all footballs, I
am pretty accurate on something. Is that because it's an
more independent sport. I really pay attention to personality and
(10:03):
interviews and how you respond to questions. And a European
player just because the culture is different than a domestic player.
It's just different, the way they're taught, the way they
grow up. They drink wine, they smoke more often. You know,
it's a different culture. They tend to come in speaking
(10:24):
multiple languages. You know, the European Union, it's you're kind
of it's a collective, whereas in America it's the South
is different than the West, is different than the Northeast.
It's the French school system. There's a lot of there's different.
So I look at personalities and I've been right on
a lot of players very early. Whereas I didn't buy Westbrook.
(10:48):
I was very much don't buy Intomelo as a winning
player or Derek Rose.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And the.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Avalanche of criticism comes down that you don't know the sport,
you don't watch it. But I think personality matters more
in basketball because the individual matters so much more. It's
not as big a collective. The Celtics are very unique.
It's a collection more than it is a star. And
this is where you and I disagree with Luca. I
think you can coach people out of virtually anything except indifference,
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and I believe he is such an offensive prodigy, he
is indifferent to defense and it will never be great.
Now now you say, well, well, Kobe became a very
good defensive player. Kobe's idol was Michael Jordan, who is
a great defensive player. So players that idolized Michael all
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played defense. Most of them played the guys. The Kobe's
Michael played defense. That was part of his aura was
he was a hard ass. Who is Luca? Who is
his idol? Who is his is? I think he has
much more in common with Melo that he is so
gifted offensively. Mellow was better than Lebron offensively from initially
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he was just more better scorer that that. I'm not
sure that you'll ever convince Luca the defense man.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So here's so, here's where I'm gonna push back. So
Luca is on the record when he came into the
league that he grew up idolizing Lebron. Lebron is who
he modeled his game after. And you see it now.
He then signed with Jordan Brand and all of a sudden,
he's an mj Acolyte. It's amazing how that works out.
(12:40):
But one when when Luca was, you know, unsullied by endorsement,
he was a big Lebron guy. Now Luca is never
going to be the athlete Lebron is like that, I
I really And by the way, nobody is I am.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Hurlabab vulgaris who now owns a talk about the Golden Life. Man.
Guy was a professional gambler, greatest NBA better of all time,
made maybe a billion that's probably oversetting him, but close
to it in crypto from his gambling winnings. Bought a
Spanish soccer team and now they've moved up multiple divisions.
(13:21):
What a life. But he also helped run the MAVs
when they drafted Luca. Hralabab tweeted out a clip a
few days ago of twenty five year old Lebron James,
like a four minute clip of his blocks and dunks
and everything, like reminding everyone, like, guys, what this guy
was at his peak athleticism. It was just it was
un unfathomable and we haven't seen any like it since.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, Lebron is the only guarantee in American sports history.
Let's just do basketball football. Yeah that there is no
question that if he has chosen football, he would have
been a multiple time Pro Bowl Oh yeah, no question,
no question, not even debatable. He would have been one
(14:06):
of the best tight ends of all time. Let's stop
debating it. Six ' eight two fifty, fast, with great hands, envision, and.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Seemingly indestructible for fifteen for seventeen years. But okay, yeah,
so there are obviously things Lebron could do that Luca
never will be able to do because of the athleticism.
But stylistically they're very similar. As far as I'm gonna
have the ball in my hands, i am going to
control an offense. I will try to pick on people
in a pick and roll. I will spoon feed players
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open threes and lob dunks like all of it. He's
not gonna be the defender Lebron was. There was a
five year period with Lebron was one of the every
year was top five defensive player the year voting and
I think twice or three times second place. It's not
gonna be that guy. My argument is he doesn't need
to be. Can't can can Luca be Steph Kerr? Defensively? Obviously,
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Can he be Magic Johnson defensively? Obviously? Has he already
shown improvement for Romeros a few years ago? Yes, the
the so I think that. So here's what I think
about Luca. I think that his bad defensive moments are
(15:23):
so glaring and obvious because he's just not running down
the court. He is just standing there. He's angry, he's
and I also think every game he walks a fine
line between I Am going to get so enraged with
every fan, every ref that I end up playing my
(15:47):
best basketball and I'm going to get so enraged with
every fan, every ref that it takes me out of
my game and I'm like almost playing in protest. He's
got to mature in that regard. But the part of
the mellow thing that I the reason I pushed back
so much on that comp is, is that Luca already
(16:08):
has done more winning than Melo did. Luca made the
Melo made a conference finals once. Luca did that in
year four. Luca's already made an NBA finals. And he
is a willing passer of the ball and the guys
who and a guy who has people bring up Harden
(16:28):
because Harden was a willing passer of the ball the
hardon though every single year of his career got worse
than the playoffs, Luca, every year of his career except
for this one, his numbers have gotten better in the playoffs.
So I just think that there was there was never
a moment where Mello was credibly a consensus top three player.
(16:52):
Luca is right now, and so I just I disagree
with you on Luis.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah and yeah, by the way I've said, I think
Luca is a much better Carmelo Anthony. By the way,
Michael was a better Kobe, not always much better, but better.
Kobe had better range. I thought Kobe was a really
clever passer when he decided to a very good ball handler.
Michael was a better Kobe. I think Luca is a
(17:19):
much better Carmelo. But there are traits and indifference to
certain things like being in shape, indeed so concerned.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Being in shape thing. He has to grow up on
that part. That part. So here's the deal. I think
that there is. I think it is very very difficult
for people who have succeeded at every step. I mean,
this guy's playing in the second biggest league in the
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world at sixteen and one MVP of it, at eighteen,
like and won the championship at eighteen, not in some
small league, in the second best basketball league in the world,
to the NBA. He then gets to the NBA, wins
Rookie of the Year and then succeed succeeds carries a
team to conference finals. Last year they fail, but it
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feels more about the team. Was weird that he and
Kyrie did in gel This year they make it all
the way to the finals, and yes he was banged up,
but he also knows he was a little out of gas.
I think it is very hard for any if anyone
has a bad habit that they are succeeding despite, I
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don't think they ever kick it until that bad habit bites.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I said, yep, I've said before. The only way you
quit smoking is if your doctor says you're going.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
To die right then. And there's a lot of people
who I'm gonna gain used we were using dark analogies.
There are a lot of people listening who were what
I I'm sure what I would call very regular tipsy drivers.
It was just I, you know, never didn't call cabs whatever.
(19:03):
He's like, oh my buddies, have a few drinks, drive home,
and did it hundreds of times and never were and
people were like, ah, you shouldn't drive and only stopped
because they got pulled over and they got a dui
like there is And again that's a dark analogy, but
the point is it is if someone says to you,
you've got to be in better shape, You've got to
(19:24):
be in better shape, and you're like, oh, really, because
I keep averaging thirty five points a game in the
playoffs and being first team All NBA. But this year
and this year, I know they made the finals, but
he did seem out of gas at times, and so
in order to be able to play one hundred game seasons,
which is what he's got to do, he does have
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to be in better shape. That part's fair, and he
can't always be mad at the refs that part. But
I just think the reason I thought the focus on
the defense was overstated was that MAVs didn't lose this
finals because of the defense the MAVs. This craziest stat
(20:07):
of the NBA season is the worst five game stretch
Boston had all year as far as points scored, was
the NBA Finals. They didn't have another five game stretch
all year where they scored for killing and they killed
the bosson. The MAVs didn't lose because of their defense.
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They lost because they couldn't score, which was because of
Boston's defense. It was mav It wasn't that Dallas's defense
was a problem. It was that Boston's defense was a
plus for four of those five games and strangled the
MAVs offense.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So I'm gonna throw this at you. There's so many
bad actors on the internet. It's so bad, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Sweet christ Man. Can I tell you what happened before
you even throw it at me? Because I don't think
people know what happened because there there's always been bad actors,
but it seems like out of nowhere it has gotten
way worse quickly. And I it so I have, I
think a very credible theory here. So remember how Elon
(21:20):
made it so you can get paid off your tweets.
So I don't think people really paid a lot of
attention to that because people were like, I'm not paying
for that eight dollars a month check mark whatever. But
so some of us a few months ago just got great,
like got the check mark. It's like you're a notable account.
We want you to have one whatever it is, So
(21:40):
I didn't. I just got it. I got a I
got a notification a week ago saying you earned eight
hundred and ten dollars last month. Huh so, and I
just tweet clips from the show and my.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Takes same here.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
But because I got grandfathered into this program or whatever
I'm like, it's monetization is available. So I guess if
I give them my bank account info, which I don't
know that I will do, but if I I have
eight hundred dollars from my tweets in May, okay, So
why am I to bring that up? That didn't used
(22:25):
to be a thing. It used to be you could
grow a following and then maybe sell ads whatever it is.
But now it is direct deposit into your account based
on interactions of your tweets. So now you have the
worst actors in America who are incentivized to say the
shittiest things or dishonest things, or like the totally harmless
(22:49):
version of it is. Oh man, people forget Peyton Pritchard
is a problem like saying things just to get dunked on,
like people said Steph Curry can't. But the worst version
of it is I am going to try to stoke
racial tension in America through this video that will go
(23:11):
viral because I'm literally going to make a thousand bucks
off it. So that's not Yeah, that's not a theory.
That's exactly what's happening. Yes, that that's not Listen, I'm
not you know me, I make fun of conspiracy theorists.
I have a theory on conspiracy theories that the as
the world get AI is just going to enhance this.
(23:31):
We're going to get more and more conspiracy theories because
there's been an explosion of them. Why because the fluidity
and the changes that technology are doing to our life,
and people want answers, and so when people don't have answers,
they lose their job. Inflation, people are seeking stability and
foundational truths and they don't have answers. So conspiracy theories
(23:54):
give people answers. Is their life gets more filled with anxiety.
Psychologists have talked about.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This technology is enhanced and dominates our society, you're going
to get a more conspiracy driven in.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
This is not from conspiracy theory. This is what's now.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is just yeah, this is what. So what's happening
is as AI is going to put a lot of
people out of work. Social media is going to become
a real income for a lot of people. I all, Bee,
as you know, I make a massive TV income, radio income,
volume income, DraftKings like, I don't need social media. There's
(24:34):
no value in it for me other than to.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Promote my companies, right exactly right, right right right, So
there's no I don't even care about it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It doesn't matter to me. But for a lot of
people that even successful people, they don't have a radio show,
a TV show, they make six figures on social media.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
If I could make a thousand bucks in a month
by accident, right then I'm like, oh that, I was like,
so just think. I was like, what the average the
average income in this country is like around fifty I'm like,
so then, yeah, of course there are going to be
(25:13):
people out there that are just going to all and
what what do we know gets interaction and reaction because
I don't know if you were taking this to Caitlin
and Angel, I don't know where you were taking this initially,
but what I know what we know will make waves
on Twitter in particular, is anything to doing with racial
(25:37):
tension or racial or they in either direction and I
just I see people tweeting out videos of clearly like
obvious like skits like old skits or scenes from an
old not Chappelle show, but something less famous, and presenting
(26:00):
it as if this was a real life thing that
happened purely because idiots will believe it. People who aren't
full blown idiots will think, oh, I'm going to dunk
on this person. Meanwhile, they're just like, I just made
forty bucks. I do ten of these in a day,
and I make more money than I was gonna make
up my job, and it is just flooded. They have
(26:23):
flooded the song with nonsense and bullshit.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
By the way, there are people in our industry who
have credible jobs who are using YouTube to the same degree,
making thirty thousand dollars on a YouTube clip talking about
their sex, life, politics, all sorts of stuff. So it's
some point your soul can't your foundational belief system can't
(26:50):
be about the dollar sign like you have to care about.
And I'm not lecturing you folks, do what you want
to do. But here's where I was going. Sorry I
took you, Oh no, don't be sorry. This is this
is why I do. A podcast is that there's so
many bad actors on the internet that will just dunk
(27:11):
on the NBA. They don't care. They got their money.
When I hear people criticize Howard Stern, Howard makes one
hundred and twenty million a year at sirius XM. Do
you think he gives a shit that he doesn't have
the water cooler currency. He's got a seventy to ninety
(27:31):
million dollar home on the beach. I've seen it in
Boca ratone the highest. He's got the two highest real
estate properties in the East, the Hampton sag Harbor and
Boca Howard owns arguably the nicest home in both. He
doesn't give an f And people are like, Howard doesn't matter,
(27:53):
It doesn't matter. And I think about this, like the
NBA got the bag they're gonna get. They're doing basically
what the NFL did. They're going to get a fourth
network to arguably overpay for it. They don't care. The
ratings are up to the people who pay for the money.
That's up to NBCESBN, the owners in the league and
(28:16):
the players don't give us shit. Don't watch it, they
don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
So there were a lot of people highly invested in
the idea that any company that pays even just lip
service to the idea that you know, black folks spend
(28:43):
money to and gay folks spend money to that that
business model will fucking ruin them. And they even came
up with a super unique, original one hundred and fifty
iq slogan, go Meanwhile, we're at zero broke, We're at
(29:04):
zero Companies that previously were rolling that are now like, goddamn,
you know what, we put Black Lives Matter on the court,
and now no one will, nobody's going to games. And
they then try to twist themselves in knots and act
like that, oh they they're not doing it, or oh
(29:25):
it caught, No it didn't. There is I now again,
because I am not a bad faith actor, I will acknowledge.
I do think there was a time, and I do
think it hurt the ratings in multiple sports where people
felt there was too much, like we had overcorrected and
(29:47):
there was there was too much, whether you want to
call it politics, social justice, anything in our sports and
people got annoyed by it. I do think that happened,
but was presented as if it's going to be a
death knell when it was a paper cut and the
and it was the same folks that and I the
(30:09):
that when Nike uh signed Kaepernick, We're like, oh, check
out Nike's stock today, It's like, oh, can we get
an update on that? Hey, can we get a good
Did Nike all of a sudden in the last four
years start flying MAGA flags or are they still pretty
much as woke of a company as there is? I
think they are. I think they're doing just fine. And
(30:31):
and it is And this is where the people making
that those arguments were either bad faith actors or morons.
And I am that one. I'm comfortable with the the
people making the argument of the NBA is killing big
trup in big trumple like buddy, you could were the
(30:56):
ratings for this specific finals down? Yeah, in the midst
of it being down? Did they get seventy five billion dollars?
Did they triple their TV deal? Was it was? It?
Was it extortion? No, In fact, you have you have company,
you have major corporations who might end up making changes
(31:18):
at the top of the company because they screwed up
by not getting the NBA. So it was always bad faith.
It was just always bad faith actors that don't ever
that are very, very invested in the idea that everyone
thinks like them. That's the that is the that's the
(31:42):
So I'm aware like I and I try to be
self aware of it, and I try to be conscious
of it. I'm aware that a lot of people who
watched the TV show have very different politics than I do,
which is why I think I keep it out of
it almost entirely. As I've said to you before, I
(32:04):
don't think talking about race is talking politics, so I
will talk race, So I'm talking any politics on when
you and I are talking, even though I understand there
are people listening that have very different politics to me,
I feel like, you know what you are opting into
a Nick Wright Colin Cowhard conversation. I am going to
(32:25):
respect that and give you my true, authentic thoughts on everything,
and hope we can understand that even if we disagree,
we can you know, agree on other certain things. But
I know that how I feel is not how the
whole world feels. There is a segment of the population
that is really invested in trying to convince people that
(32:51):
eighty percent of the country plus agrees with them, and
this tiny minority that doesn't. Somehow oddly weirdly controls everything,
controls all these major corporations in the sports leagues, the media, everything,
And it's like, no, I just think Target has like
done the market research. It's like, hey, we're gonna sell
(33:13):
more T shirts if people think we're nice. Like, I
don't think it's they're trying to do some social engineering.
I think they're trying to sell as many things as possible.
And so that's yeah, that's my answer.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Listen, even left leaning, I would say Saturday Night Live
tends to lean more left than right. They've made fun
of woke. Bill Maher's made fun of woke, like there
are things that God that go too far?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Is that, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
My theory on America is that in the end, the
more change you have in technology and the more change
you have in the culture, the more people want a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich, macaroni and cheese and hang
out with their dog. We seek simplicity as the world
gets more complex. So I think, to me, one of
the things I think about constantly on my show is
(34:02):
simplifying complicated things. Is that people are on right, Like
that's literally what I think about. You know, whatever you
think about I think about that constantly.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Which is why, which is a very smart way to
go about it. But so that's where so I have,
I hope the self awareness and the honesty to be
able to be like, yeah, there are things that people
that are in my political tribe, if you will, that
(34:35):
they say or espouse that. I'm like, yeah, I actually
I'm I'm not with that, like like it doesn't kill me,
but I you know, it's not where I would go
what I what I feel like fundamentally though, most people,
most people are more bothered by people that intentionally err
(35:02):
on the side of mean then people that go out
of their way to be nice, even if the way
they're going out of their way to be nice, it's like, okay,
that's a little much, you know what I mean, like
and and that's to me, that's why so I that
that's why so much of the so much of the
complaints about the NBA stuff was to me, people telling
(35:25):
on themselves where I'm like, you're really are you You're
writing on Twitter you saw end racism on the baseline
where there used to be a YouTube TV ad and
now you're like I'm turning the game off, like shut up,
like it was if it was if at halftime of
(35:48):
the game, you know, Jason Tatum came out, was like,
now I want to, you know, give you a history
lesson about this. That'd be one thing. But I'm like,
I just think you are. You are bothered by an
idea that you can't quite explain, and it pisses you off.
(36:09):
You don't know why, And I think the smartest corporations
and companies have been like, ah, that's actually just a
loud contingent on the Internet, and the majority of people
are either support us or like, eh, not my thing,
but not enough for me to change the channel, or
(36:32):
not enough for me to drive to the store down
the street when this one, you know, oh they're flying
a Pride flag. Okay, well I actually they also have
the cheapest diapers, so I just think I'm gonna go there,
Like it's just so stupid the volume.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick.
Don't forget the check back for part two.
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