First, (3:00) Colin explains why he's rooting for Aaron Rodgers to leave Green Bay, why Russell Westbrook still has an army of loyal defenders when NFL fans would have moved off a similarly declining player, if Mitchell Trubisky will be an NFL starter next season, what Coach K and Michael Jordan have in common, and the biggest lesson NFL teams should learn from the Cowboys having to cut Amari Cooper.
Then, Philly sports talk host Mike Missanelli and Colin discuss why Philly is already buying into the James Harden/Joel Embiid duo (21:00), the biggest factor in Ben Simmons and the Sixers ugly divorce (24:00), if the Eagles are going to build around Jalen Hurts or pursue a top available QB (30:00), how the Eagles will approach the upcoming NFL Draft (35:00), why Doug Pederson got fired despite winning a Super Bowl (36:00), why rabid Philly sports fans are misunderstood as malcontents (42:00), what drives Philly sports talk nowadays (45:00), and if the Sixers can win the East (51:00).
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and welcome in to the Monday Morning Podcast. All sorts
of things to talk about. This is one of my
favorite times of the year. We get to that mid
March where March Madness is right around the corner, NFL
free agency is right around the corner, the NFL combines
wrapping up. I love this time of the year. Let's
talk Aaron Rodgers. He's going to make a decision here
in the next forty eight hours. Listen. I've said this
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for years. I root for captivating. I want more interesting stories.
I spent every Sunday for eleven years an ESPN watching
every Patriot snap and as great as they were, as
dynastic as they were. I got Patriot fatigue, I got
Belichick Brady fatigue. One of the reasons I'm rooting for
(02:55):
Aaron Rodgers to leave. It's just more interesting. Denver's got
better players, and let's be honest, Aaron Rodgers knows it.
According to Ian Rappaport, a very sharp, dependable reporter, Aaron
Rodgers is torn between staying in Green Band leaving well.
(03:15):
If he had a super Bowl roster, why would he
be torn. He'd have a super Bowl roster, his great
relationships in Green Bay and arguably the second worst division
in football, He's going to get therefore, a home field advantage,
playoff run, and a bye. You're only torn if you
think somewhere else has better players. He's not going to
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Denver because the division's easier. Mahomes Herbert Derek Carr twice
a year. He's not going there because he has a
community and a staff he knows well. He knows Hackett,
Nathaniel Hackett, and everybody else well. He's torn because he
knows Green Bay. If Davante Adams got injured, doesn't have
a legitimate number one receiver on the roster, and arguably
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doesn't have a legitimate number two receiver on the roster,
and Davante Adams has been hurt, and it's the NFL.
Players get hurt all the time. Look at the Rams
last year. Robert Woods injured out for the season, O
b j hurt in the Super Bowl, Davante Adams has
a couple of injuries. Are you gonna put your stock
in a roster that's top heavy with little star depth?
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Aaron knows Denver and Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's got a much better defense,
It's much more talented, a better defensive culture. Denver's got
much better players offensively and much more depth offensively. Aaron
knows it. They got potential stars at safety, two really
good corners. They've got an all pro level left tackle,
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excellent depth at running back, Pro Bowl level tight end,
four or five legitimate receiving targets. He's only torn for
one reason because Denver's got better players. Also, what's more fun?
Aaron leaving is more fun. Matt Stafford leaving was more fun.
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Brady having legitimate weapons is more fun. That's what I
root for. I may be a sportscaster, but I'm a fan,
so I am looking for Aaron to move and oh,
by the way, Packer fans if he does, and I
still think it's you know, fifty forty five these days
in Green Bay. If he leaves, I don't want to
hear this from Packer fans. We're sick of him anyway.
(05:27):
Oh really, because you're the Packer fans the last eight years,
when I've criticized Aaron for being high maintenance, nani and
kind of overrated in the postseason, you defended him to
the hilt. So don't suddenly get amnesia and pretend like
you aren't hurt. It's like when Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma.
He's the best college football offensive coach in a sport
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that's leaning offensive. You're hurt. You're not burned because of
the way he left. You're burned because he left. And
you're gonna be burned because Aaron potentially leaves. I don't
want to hear you're done with him if he leaves,
because you defend them at every stop along this ten
year odyssey of high maintenance. There's something very interesting and
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different between NFL fans and NBA fans. NBA players, the
star players have their own shoes, and many fans obviously
buy those shoes, so you have a connection to an
NBA star, whereas you're not sitting around wearing cleats, even
if you love Patrick Mahomes. And it's funny what that
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creates for sports fans. Westbrook still has massive defenders. He's
now an atrocious player. He's a complete liability. The Lakers
won the championship two years ago, had Phoenix on the rope.
Last year they bring in Westbrook. They still have a
d they still have Lebron, they add Malik Monk Mello
has been good. They've still got some pieces there. Westbrook's
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ruined the chemistry the previous two years. Say what you want,
the chemistry was great. Crusoe, kcp L Kuzma. Here's the
other thing about this trade. Kyle Kuzman out is a
better player than Westbrook. He is fewer turnovers, higher field
goal percentage, much much better defender, more rebounds, more reliable,
less of a headcase. Lost in all of this Westbrook
(07:15):
stuff is the fact the Lakers gave away a player
who still has four to five to six years of
prime left in Kyle Kuzma. And clearly Westbrook is a
completely shot fighter. But yet he still has fans in
the NFL, Derek Carr in chaos led the Raiders to
(07:35):
the playoffs, and outside of Raider fans, and even often
among Raider fans, it's hard to find a large Derek
Carr support group because you don't wear his shoes. I
think a lot of that is the difference between NBA
and NFL fans. NBA fans will keep the grasp on
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their favorite star even when Derek Rose gets hurt. Eric
Rose is clearly not the same player. He's your guy.
You got his shoes, you spent money on it, You'll
wear him. There are guys all over the NFL that
are really really solid to above average players. Kirk Cousins,
Derek Carr, they don't have nearly as much as support
(08:18):
as a player in basketball. That's an absolute liability today
and his wreck the Lakers Russell Westbrook. So expect Mitch Trubisky,
the former Bearer quarterback and first round pick, to be
a starting quarterback next year, and you'll probably hear about
it in the next few days. Keep your eye in
the Steelers, the Washington football team, and the Colts. Jim Mersay,
(08:39):
the owner of the Colts, is furious how the season ended.
I think it's a big mistake, but they move off
Carson Wentz. In my opinion, perhaps for Mitch Trubisky. A
lot of people are pushing back. I can't believe Mitch
Trubisky would get a second chance time out. If you
live in Chicago, let me ask you a question. Is
Matt Naggie a good coach? Oh no, he's not. Okay.
(09:01):
Is Mitch Trubisky a good quarterback? Oh no he's not.
Then how did he get to the playoffs twice? You
gotta be good at one of those two positions to
make the playoffs in the NFL. You do get that, right,
best quarterback won every division in the NFL in a
division with Green Band Aaron Rodgers, Mitch Trubisky made the
playoffs twice, and they fired Matt Nage. Now I've never
been a Trubisky fan, but we see Mitch Trubisky all
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the time. It's called Teddy Bridgewater. We all know this.
In the NFL, they're franchise quarterbacks. You got your franchise quarterbacks,
then you got your backup quarterbacks. But there's a third group.
It's called bridge quarterbacks. You're not going to give him
a five year deal. You're not going to build around him.
And the leader of the Bridge club is Ryan Fitzpatrick,
and the guys that often join him are Tyrod Taylor,
(09:46):
Teddy Bridgewater and now Mitch Trubisky. There's got to be
a third group in there, beyond franchise guys you pay
the big bucks too, and backups, and there is, and
it's a tiny group, but Bridgewater, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor,
and Mitch Trubisky are your classic Bridge quarterbacks. You give
him a three year deal, you can get out of
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it after two you draft a quarterback perhaps behind him.
They are good enough to win games and keep you
playoff viable. And I do believe with the Colts or
the Steelers, Mitch Trubisky, and I'm not a fan, is
good enough to do that. So is Teddy Bridgewater. So
Coach k coached his last game at Cameron Indoor. Jerry
(10:31):
Seinfeld was there, and Adam Silver was there, and a
bunch of former Dukies were there too. Bad Duke didn't
show up. They got hammered by North Carolina. You know,
I tell my kids all the time that don't get
discouraged because even for really talented successful people, being really
successful's hard you watch that MJ documentary, he was fighting
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with the owner the GM. Dennis Rodman coaches. Phil Jackson
was his third Bulls coach. He didn't make any playoff
series as a winner. He never won a playoff series.
Michael Jordan never won a playoff series without Scottie Pippen.
And he's arguably the best basketball player of all time.
Most of you think he's the greatest basketball player of
all time. Couldn't win a playoff series without Scottie Pippen.
(11:15):
The point is he overcame, even for the great ones.
It's hard. Coach K won over five hundred more games
than John Wooden. And if you read the book by
Ian O'Connor, coach K he was almost fired when he
got the job. It was a shocker. He was roundly
criticized because he had a losing record at his previous stop, Army.
(11:37):
The one and done culture gave Duke fitz and before
Johnny Dawkins, you weren't really sure if they were ever
gonna be in the elite annual program. It was hard
for the greatest college basketball coach of all time. It
was hard for the greatest basketball player of all time.
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Michael Jordan retired in the middle of his career to
play minor league baseball, and then retired again, and then
came back again. All the greats coaching, executives, players, it's
not where you go to school. It's not just your measurables.
To me, the common thread Isza's fight and resilience. MJ
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was resilient. Coach K was resilient. Go read that book
by Ian O'Connor. It is remarkable the struggles for over
thirty years. Duke had multiple times teetering on the edge
of irrelevance, and he overcame. You'll figure out very quickly
in that book. The one thing Sheshevsky was day one
(12:44):
a fighter. So a story last week, the Cowboys, according
to Adam Schefter, are going to move off expensive wide
out Amari Cooper. I don't love the move, and I
said that on FS one and on iHeartRadio. Dak Prescott
with Amari Cooper and Dak Prescott without Amari Cooper with
(13:06):
him and without him, he's two different quarterbacks. And without
him he's a B B minus quarterback. With him, he's
a B plus A minus quarterback. That's the difference between
winning playoff games and losing them. But what do we
learn from the Amari Cooper situation. Well, I've always had
(13:26):
an opinion because I think many of you know that
have listened to me. I would love to be a
general manager of an NFL team. I'm certainly not qualified,
but if I'd spent thirty years pursuing that, not broadcasting,
who knows, you know, maybe I get lucky. And if
I ran a team, and I've talked to GM's about this,
I would pay big money rarely, with total discretion, and
(13:48):
I would almost never pay early. A rare exception is
justin Herbert Josh Allen Russell Wilson. When you're looking at
a guy, there's clearly a Hall of Fame talent, of
arm brains, movement players like him. You know there's a
handful of quarterbacks you just do it for. But the
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Cowboys paid Ezekiel Elliot not only early, two years early,
at a position running back that most shrewd general managers
don't believe. You ever pay early because it takes more
of a physical beating than any other position that touches
the football. Can't hit receivers, can't hit tight ends, can't
(14:31):
hit quarterbacks like you used to be able to you
can still drill from any angle a running back. The
Dallas Cowboys front office is now paying a price for
a move that was very, very easy to predict. They
paid a running back two years early, and now their
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second best running back is Ezekiel Elliott. I don't like
this move. Ceedee Lamb had one catch again the Niners
case of the drops last year, Michael Gallup's coming off
an ACL surgery, Cedric Wilson's of three. They're going to
have to go to the draft, and because they were
a playoff team, you know they're not taking high enough
(15:15):
in the first or second round unless they tried up
to get really the top four or five receivers available.
And Dallas isn't a win now window, right. They're not
into developing a slot receiver from the third round. They
the guy to come in and be productive, and there'll
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for a long time. In fact, I don't bring other
talk show hosts on my show very much. I bring
Mike Missinellion a couple of times a year. He's got
(19:37):
big opinions, he's smart on Philadelphia is a highly competitive
sports market, So to be able to win that market
for years and years and years is really something. And
a Mike works at ninety seven point five the fanatics.
It's as good as any sports talk radio market in
the country. Highly competitive and devoted fans. You know, It's funny, Mike.
Since I've moved to FS one, especially in the last
(19:59):
three years, people said, Colin, you're doing a lot of
LA sports, And I keep telling everybody, yeah, because all
the teams here. When I would love I talked about
Philadelphia all the time on my show, because you have
like interesting teams. The Jets are terrible, the Giants are terrible,
the Knicks are terrible, the Nets are a mess, the
Mets are met. You know, it's it's funny what's happening
to your neighbors in New York. It's just bad management,
(20:20):
bad owners, bad teams. Conversely, Philadelphia is kind of fascinating.
So let's start with the Sixers. We said on our show.
I thought, I said, listen, I like the coach. I
like him Bide. I like the talent, I like the chemistry.
It's a winning culture, I thought, I thought, Harden when engaged.
You know, there's some Kobe analytics here. He's virtually unstoppable.
(20:44):
Are you a little surprised? How seamless, how quick, how
joyful it looks. Yeah, first of all, get to see it, Colin,
and thanks you for the kind of words. This sound's
upside down right, you know. And it took the first
few games with Harden in the lineup to get this
flow going and the energy here right now for this team.
And they lost the heat last night and Hard did
(21:05):
not play, but you know, his first home game on
Wednesday was just the roof was about to blow off.
And I think in Philadelphia. When you give these fans
a team that that is pretty good enough to possibly
win something, the town just lights up. And also it
helps to have a star, and in this case, they
have two stars that are working together very well. Their
(21:27):
spacing has been the most amazing thing that you can
see right now that with those two guys in the lineup,
they space very well. Their only flaw right now is
the strength of their bench. But you know, when you
look back at all the teams that have won, their
bench wasn't really that strong. Their starters were really strong.
So these guys are going to play close to forty
minutes once the playoff time comes, and if they can
(21:48):
avoid that first round matchup with the Nets, which I
think is a little precarious, this team can actually get
through the NBA Finals. Yeah, we said that this week.
We said, you know one or two things that are
important in the playoffs. Do you have two closers Philadelphia does?
Bench doesn't matter as much. I mean, Utah has had
(22:08):
a bench for years. Miami this year is a great bench.
But who do you go too late? Jimmy Butler is
more of an athlete, defensive guy than to get a
bucket guy. He's about a twenty point of game guy,
and bam out to buy you again. Nobody's He's not
in an embiide or a Yannis class to get a bucket.
So Miami's got a great bench. So I think Philadelphia's
bench it's fine. You've got length. I think basically, if
(22:33):
you have seven guys, you're kind of fine. I'm not
a Ben Simmons fan because Mike. I've always believed there's
one thing you can't coach or teach indifference. It's just
like your business. You love Philadelphia, you love sports. There's
a lot of guys with a good voice. If you
don't love this stuff, it's too much crap with advertisers
and management, and it's just you've got to love it. Like,
(22:55):
I don't get the Simmons thing. Give me stories. When
did you just say I'm over him? Well, I think
they are now. It's funny. When this thing first happened,
it was just hard to comprehend that one guy would
be willing to blow up an entire season and an organization.
Frankly keeping the organization kind of in limbo over this.
(23:18):
But you're right about it. I know we had like
four years to study the guy. He has absolutely no
ability to self evaluate. You know, when this thing happened,
the reasons why he was criticized were valid reasons. He
did not take a shot before straight fourth quarters in
a playoffs and they lost to an inferior team. So
when Doctor Rivers said what he said, I know that's
(23:40):
going to rub a player the wrong way, and he
probably shouldn't have said it. But a guy with self
evaluation should be able to look at and say, you
know why that hurt. But maybe he's right, and I've
got to do some things to change it up because
he's just absolutely paralyzed in a game to take a
jump shot and doesn't realized that that's wrong. You know,
(24:02):
it was always everybody else's fault and not Ben Simmons.
And you go back like psychological but I hate to play,
you know, psychologist, armchair psychologist. But he was raised to
be a prince of sorts. He was like the prince
of his country and his parents. I think we're very
much enablers with his talent, and he was the next
thing that that was going to come. And so I
(24:23):
believe that his brain has hardened into the point where
he does not think he has any flaws at all,
and to just hold out for an entire season. It
was just not realizing what that was going to do.
Not only to hear to the Philaelphia, but his own
career was just mind bodling in me. Yeah. There. You know,
(24:44):
there was a scouting report when he left college that
said he wasn't always highly competitive and crucial moments, and
that is a total red flag. The fact that he's
ducking the game against the Sixers is a complete red
flag to right, Oh, it's totally But you know, as
soon as that that he was traded, there was no
way that he would. You know, everybody here fell there's
(25:06):
no way that that he was going to make that game,
although people did get sucked into buying five hundred dollars
tickets for that game, and there's no way he's going
to face this kind of music coming back after after
all that had happened. But you know, just the progression
of the whole thing was just so ridiculous. Like he
showed up because his agents said, if you don't show
(25:27):
up and take part, they're not going to pay you,
and so he came back and thought that they were
just going to pay him, and so what he did
was didn't want to participate doc rivers practices or his drills,
and thought he was going to be able to get
away with that, and then they said, okay, well, if
you're not participating, you're not really satisfying the requirements of
(25:49):
your contract, so you're not going to pay it. And
then the mental situation came up, and it's really it's
tough to talk about that because it keeps you at
Bay that, you know, how can you make a judgment
on how guys feeling mentally? But we all thought it
was just a ruse for him to try to collect money,
and it did. They started to pay him, and then
(26:09):
he said he was seeing somebody on his own, and
then the Sixers couldn't verify that he was seeing somebody
on his own, so they would help money again, and
he just didn't get it. So he got what he wanted.
He goes to Brooklyn and now it's back because he
thinks that in the NBA it's just easy to miss
the whole season and not work out and then come
(26:30):
back and play at an NBA level. So now he's
got legitimate back injuries or whatever it is. But the
Sixers to think about this deal because a lot of
people said at the start of the deal, oh, how
could you give up a backup center as valuables drumming
and a shooter like Curry. Well, basically what they did
was they traded Ben Simmons for a superstar in James Harden.
And as soon as Harden's come that fans really didn't
(26:53):
pay enough attention to Harden's game? What was that most
of all about him? He's a smart player now, he
just knows what to do on a basketball floor, and
he's made everybody around them better, especially Tyrese Maxie, who's
going crazy right now. Well that's the interesting Maxie and
he are an interesting because Maxie, by the way, wants
the ball, highly athletic. I mean, he's an interesting player.
(27:15):
Is there any concern that that could be could be
agitating that that may not be ideal. No, he's been
freed up, tyres Maxie would Harden on the floor, has
been freed up to do what he does best, which
is he's kind of a combo guard. And he saw
him at Kentucky. He just flies and hardened, creating space.
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It makes Maxi so much better and he's fearless, and
Harden's kind of taking him under his wing. Halftime the
other day against that game on Wednesday night, Harden goes
up to him a halftime and says, all right, you
ready by now he had four points in the first half,
so in the second heay, he just took charge and
Caliparry was there. I was sitting ripping behind Calipari, who
(27:55):
had come to see him in Emmanuel Quickly and Randall
and all those Kentucky guys, and you know, he says,
this is the way Tyree's he plays. I was talking
will by just get him out and he opened get
him out in space when he has to be the
point guard, he will. And they've been doing that. They
when they take Hart now they make sure they keep
maximum fourth to Bias Harris, he's just a fun loving
kid who loves to play the game with no pretensions
(28:17):
at all. Yeah, let me pivot to Jalen Hurts. So
I've been highly critical of Tua in Miami, and my
takeaway is he's not a playmaker with his feet, and
he's not a playmaker with his arm. He can't do
anything off script. So if you're a little smaller than
ideal size, you got to give me something special. I
(28:41):
defend Jalen Hurts saying a little small. I don't think
he's a great thrower, but he is absolutely too productive
as a playmaker not to give another year. That's my interpretation.
But in Philadelphia, what are they saying about. Well, you're
probably right when you look at it logically, really, because
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I don't think the Eagles believed that. I think the Eagles,
if they had a chance to make a deal. Russell
Wilson's been there White, well, they didn't draft them. They
were sorry they didn't draft them. They've loved them ever since.
I don't think he's going to be available, but they've
been also interested in Deshaun Watson. I think that they
do want to upgrade the position. I don't think he's
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got They have total belief in Hurts, and I don't
think he played to that level where you go you
have total belief in them. Now, if they don't do
anything else, he's obviously going to get one more year
to do it. Which is interesting because in the draft
they have three first round picks. Whether they save one
of those picks for next year, when the quarterback draft
will be a little better than it is this year,
is the question. So I don't believe they will draft
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at quarterback. I do believe that Hurts will will get
one chance to do it. But it's funny that you
bring up Hurts because when they drafted them, I thought
it was the biggest organizational failure I seen in Philipphi
sports because of the Wentz thing just crashed and burned
on him. And one of the lynch pins was it
that they drafted Hurts and Wentz really did not take
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it well and so uh like, they didn't figure that
would happen, and the Wentz thing just just blew up.
And so when it blew up, they had the biggest
salary cap hit in the history of football at thirty
eight million. That's to me not a success. I always
thought the Eagles were well run, and then over the
course of a year you hear the Doug Peterson story,
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the owner meddling Howie Roseman, and we heard some of
that with Chip Kelly, but hey, he's a college coach
and Chips an odd bird, and I like Chip, He's
an odd bird, so okay, that's that's not that's Chip.
And then Doug Peterson, who's kind of liked, I mean,
most of my NFL guys. They kind of liked Doug.
I mean, is he a great coach? He kind of
(30:55):
likable guy, and then you hear stories and again there's meddling,
and it's like is this a shit show? Like do
they know what they're do they know what they're doing?
So I wanted you to give me a Philadelphia view
how is ownership in the front office view? Because I
when Nick Sirianni held his press conference, initially I thought
it was embarrassing. I didn't even know what to say,
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and we had we had a blast with him. But uh,
it's really an interesting dynamic here with this Uh with
Jeffrey Laurie, I believe Um likes to get involved, and
at first it didn't seem like he did. The theory
is that Hurts was his pick, that that Roseman really
wasn't one board taking Hurts in that position. But Laurie's
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one of these guys that will watch college football on
Saturdays and think that he knows something that he really
doesn't know. And I think he's had a lot of
input because of that. Now Roseman is strategic in that
he knows he's the trusted voice and Laurie believes in him.
So His brilliance is to convince Laurie that he really
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knows what he's doing, and so the LOORI has eminent
trust in him. His drafts have been horrendous in the
last three years, and everybody is nervous here that with
three number one picks in that I call it the
danger zone because it's the teens going towards twenty where
Roseman has made a lot of mistakes. So yeah, it'll
be interesting to see what they do here. I'm a
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draft nick. I'm a dork. I love it. I love
college football. Philadelphia is not a big college football town.
I grew up in Seattle. The Huskies won a national title.
I was a USC fan. I worked in Tampa, so
I followed the SEC and I've been to a lot
of these stadiums. I like it, you know, I grew
up with it. I like it. It's a bad draft.
I have a lot of NFL executives and scouts. I
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know everybody wants to trade down. It's just a bunch
of b players. I think the kid out of Michigan
the pass rushers, probably your safest bet. But he's not
t J Watt. I mean, there is no Fletcher Cox
in this draft. There is no Aaron Donald, there is
no Chase Young on the defensive front, and I kind
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of look at where the Eagles are poised, and I
think to myself, as I watched them last year, I'm like,
they got into the playoffs, hurts probably in Nick Serriani,
probably ten fifteen percent improve. The division is still weak,
and I'm like, can they get three starters? I mean,
you have an elite corner. You kind of have to
(33:24):
rebuild a little bit. Your line play. It's old, like
where in not a great draft, though you have a
nice supply of picks, Like where would you say, Okay,
here's three picks go in this direction. Well, I don't
know where they're gonna go, but they're they're they're the
very line oriented. So and you're right, I don't know
who's gonna They need a pass rusher badly, and uh,
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you know, Derek Barnett is probably not gonna be back yet,
Brandon Graham coming back from terrible injury, and he's old.
So they desperately need a pass rusher. And they're probably
gonna take who's ever left on the board, whether that's
a Jabo, whether that's Carlotti Perdue or the kid from
Florida State that they liked at the Senior Bowl. So
I believe that will be their first round pick. They
also need a corner. They need a linebacker more than
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any other team in the league, and they just won't
pull the trigger on a linebacker in that spot, so
I wouldn't expect that they'll go linebacker. If they keep
three picks, which I doubt they would probably go, two
of them will be defensive, but they'll also be intrigued
to take a wide receiver in that position if they
do that. Howie Roseman admits that Jalen Reager was a failure,
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and I'm not sure he's ready to admit that, so
I know your guess is as good as mine. But
they need defensive players, and a lot of people here
want them to take three defensive players with those three picks,
but I don't think that's going to happen. I think
they'll trade one of those picks. I always like Doug Peterson,
but when you're doing local stuff, you see the warts.
You know I'm flying at thirty thousand feet. So I
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thought he was likable. I thought he was a player's coach.
I thought he was a guy, you know, over the course.
It's almost like Joe Torre as a base ball manager.
I don't know if he's great with x's nose. He
was good at managing people and egos and the press,
and I thought Doug was pretty good at that. Am
I right or wrong? What were strange for a while,
But then I think that people saw that he really
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wasn't that a stute of a coach. And you know,
you watched him during the games and the adjustments that
didn't come, and the fundamental errors that the mistakes the Eagles.
It's it's hard to knock a coach that won a
Super Bowl. I get it, but you know, I just
think the Eagles that year caught lightning in a bottle.
With all due respect to Doug, it went downhill from
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from that point on. And I didn't think he was
a very smart coach, to be honest with you. So
I don't know what Jacksonville is gonna get. But there
wasn't really much disappointment when when he was when he
decided not to do it anymore. They obviously loved them
because he won the Super Bowl, but they don't love
him enough. They don't love him like they loved Nick Foles.
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When Nick Foles can do no wrong for the history
of his life in Philadelphia because of that run he
had with the Super Bowl as the Turndown. You know,
he was kind of a mediocre quarterback most of the time.
You know what it is, Philadelphia pays attention. So Peterson
is fine in Jacksonville. He's not fine in Philadelphia. Andy
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Reid is somebody that lasted a long time in Philadelphia.
Bella check would last a long time, Sean McVay, Kyle shanahan.
If you pay attention, and Philly pays attention to everything
and dissects everything. Doug's got a little country club to him. Jacksonville.
They don't pay hi up attention. You're you're probably right,
and you're right about see. I always said this, like
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when we criticize McNab, people couldn't understand it because, you know,
and in retrospect he's probably underrated because he's the best
quarterback in franchise history. But we saw every snap and
we saw you know everything else. They pay attention here
to every snap, every hall, every play call, things like that,
and yeah, he was coming up short and Doug Peterson
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kind of the same way. He was just coming up short.
There were some ridiculous game plans that he didn't seem
to adjust at halftime when it could have made adjustments.
And so that's the thing about Philadelphia. People outside of
Philadelphia don't realize that we pay attention to every dribble
and every snap. Yeah, so you know it's people get
(37:31):
hurt by the perception, the national perception. But then you know,
I try to tell people they're not like you. They're
not following every snap. It is really important to you
this particular sport, this particular game. And I get it
because a lot of the reasons that you mentioned before.
We're in the Northeast corridor at sports is so important
(37:51):
in everyday lives of people here where it wouldn't be
somewhere else. Yeah, I've said this before. Is there are
days I deeply missed doing local radio, Big market Philly, Boston,
the intensity take I do a podcast, I do a simulcast.
It's hard to take calls on a simulcast because it's
(38:13):
a TV show, whereas in radio it's it's the lifeblood
of the show. You get great passion and arguments. If
I said to you in Philadelphia sports radio, which which
to me, is the most intense sports radio market I've
ever heard. I think it's surpassed Boston. If I said
two things that always get phone calls, what are they
(38:36):
in Philly? Simmons and Hurts. Now the sentence things run out,
but we ran with that on a daily basis. There's
always a guy. It's funny. In my career. It's started
it way back by the way Artists. Show is also
simulcast on TV, so the TV on NBC Sports Philadelphia
(38:57):
regional network that has the Sixers games on. But when
I first started, there was always a compelling guy that
you could talk about all the time. It started with
Randall cunning in. It went to Alan Iverson, it went
to McNabb. Lynn Dross was in there for a little bit,
and Simmons just grabbed everybody's attention, not only for his
way he played, because there were some moments where everybody
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he's a breathtaking player when he wants to be. But
then it shifted to the negative where it wouldn't take
a shot and everybody thought it was ridiculous and lost
their patience. But it hurts every day when the Eagles
are playing. It's hurts, isn't good enough. Okay, then he
had his good game. Hurts is good enough. But then
it comes back to Hurts isn't good enough? And it ended.
The season ended with people being ambivalent about hurt. So
(39:43):
that's a topic that will It will still go on
as they start the season. Philadelphia has always had this
reputation as brutal, harsh, opinions, not informed. And I tell
people this all the time. Because the weather is poor
in the East, people actually watch more sports in the East.
(40:04):
They are informed. I mean California today at sixty nine,
that's not a good day the beaches. It's not that
people in the LA don't watch sports, but the minute
a team's average, they bail because of social options. In Philadelphia,
they don't bail, they bitch, they watch, they complain, and
(40:25):
so you know, when I would listen to East Coast radio,
I was struck by the intensity and at first it
was jarring to me as a West Coast guy, I'm like, God,
these people need to kind of get a life. And
I thought, well, I live here. I'm indoors all the
time too. You're either in your car or you're indoors.
(40:47):
You do you think Philadelphia fans have gotten a bad
rap through the total bad rap. And you know those
stereotypes are they're just extended by people who don't aren't
here every day, like you know. For I think that
we had a little thing with with Andy Reid. You're
Andy guy, and at the time Andy was starting to
(41:08):
wane here, and so I think that Philaphia fans can't
be conned. So when a team is good, like they
see this team, they're on board. When they're not, they're
bitching about why they're not good. And so somebody is
a fall guy for that, whether it's the manager, whether
it's the head coach, whether it's the ownership, the way
(41:30):
things are run. So right now the cycle is Flyers
way down, Phillies. We don't know anything about Eel's hopeful Sixers. Reality,
this is a team that the people here recognize is
good enough to win, so you know it's heightened. But
but you're right about what they don't bail, they bitch
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I wonder if you've noticed this, and I think you
(44:01):
probably have, because you know you're a curious guy, and
I think I'm a curious guy. Is that our careers
sports radio isn't one thing. It involves just like coaches, teams, sports.
I mean, you and I now analytics drive baseball. I
think it's hurt the sport. There's not enough base runners,
there's not enough action. I don't mind three pointers in
(44:23):
the NBA, so I'm cool with the analytics. And I
do think playoff basketball gets very situational. The midrange game
absolutely comes back in the playoffs. Right you're trying to
draw a whistle. You know you're trying to you know,
the mid range works. But one of the things I've
noticed between legalized sports gambling and I would say sort
of the business acumen of Roger Goodell and the owners.
(44:46):
My show is a syndicated show, is about seventy percent
NFL baseball analytic inactivity and the inability to market stars.
College basketball now is a tarmac, It's a one and done.
Who knows who plays for anybody. I mean, you could
ask a Philly fan about Villanova starting five. They probably
give you two guys. College football is hit and miss,
(45:08):
depending on the region. But I've noticed over the last
seven to eight years I do more NFL than I've
ever done, And I wonder ay of you noticed it
be it's the same for you. It has always been
that way. The Eagles have taken up I don't know.
I would think seventy five percent of the interest if
you had a pie start, it's always Eagles, Eagles, Eagles,
(45:30):
unless a team comes along that can possibly win something.
So yeah, you know, when when autumn comes, obviously the
Eagles will will take over and the NFL will take over.
This is a football tamp more than anything. And baseball,
you know, it's Bryce Harper has really helped because he's
a star that people like to follow, but they're not
(45:51):
good enough and everybody knows it here. People still come
to the ballpark, but we don't really talk that much
about the Phillies unless there's some kind of a comp issue,
unless they show they're good enough to win. So the
summer's sports UG Radio here. It's tough. It's tough for
to do a show in the summer that than anytime
because the baseball just doesn't kick up the interest. And
(46:12):
you know, the Flyers had their base, but we don't
really and we carry their games and this we haven't.
I don't know if we've taken five calls on the
Flyers in the last two months. So yeah, I agree
with you. This it's the NFL takes over, the Eels
take over here. It's a football town. And one of
the guys I forgot to mention it was that compelling
interest that we could talk about every day was Terrell Owens.
(46:35):
So when he was here, he came in, he gave
like a meteor and just flashed through the atmosphere and
he's doing pushing up some on his driveway. Now what
better scenario as a sports ug radio host? Can you
have a wide receiver who leaves this team, gives them
the finger and those sit ups in his driveway and
we're there with live cameras and we're talking about it
(46:55):
every day. You know, you talked about throw a baseball
thing at you. I did triple A play by a
Platt of college. I thought I was gonna be a
baseball announcer. That was my kind of I don't know
if it was my dream, but it was what. I
got a job at a college doing triple A baseball
for an inning, so it was like, Okay, it's my
first break, and I did some local TV years later.
One of the things that's been remarkable to me is
(47:17):
how baseball has let football trample them. Now. The NBA
has always been player driven since we were kids. I
mean I can remember. I can literally name the Sixers
starting lineup with Billy Cunningham coaching and Caldwell Jones, I mean,
Steve Mix and George McGinnis. It was always a players league.
That was always yes, yeah, okay, no, And those were
(47:39):
great teams. And I mean I can go, I can
go to the Dave being Bob Lanier Pistons. It's always
been a players league. I mean I grew up with
the Spencer Haywood and the Sonics and Bill Walton and
Dave towards It and Sydney Wicks of the Blazers. I
can't do that with a lot of football and baseball
teams years ago. But what's remarkable about baseball um indifference
kills a sport, not negative public. It's like us. People
(48:02):
can hate us, that's fine. If you're if you're indifferent
to Mike Ms and Ellie that you're in trouble. Yes.
And what I find with baseball during all this, you know, negotiations,
nobody cares, I mean seam heads, But are you taking
calls on it? No, we're not. A lot of people
(48:22):
don't understand that the whole dynamic of players, as the
union and owners and what they want everything. But you're
right they you know, what happened in ninety four. Apparently
it's not a lesson to owners that, you know, they
lost the interest in support for a lot of years
until that the peed home run race came in, and
they seem to be oblivious to that. Now. I don't
(48:43):
know how it's going to affect it. I know it's
a nice evening at the ballpark for kids and families,
and they go to the games as as sort of
a recreational thing. But you're right, the interest when this
ends whenever it ends, and if they miss an ordinate
amount of games people are out, then it may take him,
you know, several years to get back in there. And
(49:04):
you're right about not marketing stars. I mean, you know,
for for a lot of years the best player in
the game was Mike Trout. He seems just uninterested in
marketing the game. And NBA players can't wait the market
the game because they know that's where the action is.
That's what brings fans in and baseball has done a
poor job. I don't know what they could do about it.
But because baseball players are baseball players, they're just superstitious
(49:28):
people that when they bring too much attention to themselves
that they think it's gonna be a jinx and will
go over thirty five, So they're they're not that willing
to participate. Baseball is like one of these unforgiving sports
when when you think you got a master, it bites
your head off, just like golf. So I don't even
I don't know how to market baseball. I really don't
(49:49):
because if the players don't have that pizzazz and aren't
willing to get involved that way, how do you do it?
Example for me is I really watch a ton of
NFL and college football, and then when it ends, I
take about two weeks off and then I go heavy
into NBA. So like every day I'll work out about
four or four thirty, which is seven thirty year time,
(50:09):
I'll watch the first half of the Sixers or the Nets.
You know, I'll watch multiple NBA games, and I know
that I don't watch as much as a Philadelphia fan,
So you know, if you want to break down bullpens
or benches, I can always lose to a local fan
or a talk show host, right, I take my view
as sort of listen. I watched Philadelphia and beads Baby
(50:31):
Shack Hardens, Kobe and a veteran coach that formulas one
a lot of championships. That's that's you know, that's Tony
Parker and Duncan and Popovich. That is you know, by
the way, that is if you go, that's Kobe Shack
and at the time, phil like I do realistically look
(50:52):
at the Sixers and think, yeah, I don't think I
don't think Milwaukee's defense as nearly as good as it
was a year ago. I don't think Miami has really
a great shop maker. With three minutes left, you have
two Chicago. I don't buy Chicago's the classic. We throw
a bunch of b guys together, they play their butts off,
but they have a total ceiling in the playoff. In
(51:13):
situational basketball, I do think Philadelphia is going to win
the East. I really realistically do do you. I just
watched the Milwaukee tonight and the thing that they're deep,
and they're deeper than the Sixers. So I really think
that's going to be a tough series that I think
that Sixers can win the series. But I just worry
(51:35):
that for people here that Milwaukee just has a little
more depth for them, and you know, they can go
to different guys and get input from and you know,
the Sixers are getting the Big Three has turned into
Hard and Mbad and Maxie and Tobias Harris has been
a little lost. So Depias Harris isn't as good as Middleton,
(51:56):
and uh, you know the Jannis obviously is a complete player.
Drew Holliday is a good player. But they've been getting
all these contributions from guys off the bench, like this
war has come from nowhere to play well for them.
So I think it would be a really good series
right now, if you asked me to, I would lean
them Walkee slightly until I see more of the stickers.
And you know, they have a big game against the
(52:17):
Bulls on Monday, so we'll see more about that. But
you know, backtrack into what you said about we pay attention.
I remember one of the classic examples of Philadelphia mentality
is when Kobe Bryant came here for the All Star Game.
And obviously, you know, Kobe grew up like a couple
of blocks away from where I am right now, and
(52:38):
so he became a Philadelphia cocoon after the fact. But
when he was first playing with the Lakers, he disassociated
himself completely with Philadelphia. He called himself an LA guy.
Wasn't a feeling guy. He's wearing Dodger hats around when
they were going to play in the series the gym,
We're gonna cut Philly hard down the whole bit. And
you know, all that is competitive juices for Kobe. But
(52:59):
people took it here like they they've wrapped each other around,
like with the arms, like how dare he said? How
dare he turned his back on us? And so they
booed him at the All Star Game. And if you
remember that, that caused a national disgrace. You know, how
could Philadelphia book Kobe Bryant. He's a Philadelphia But they
(53:21):
didn't know the backstory of it. And so and that's
what I mean by by the people here paying attention
to live the littlest things. And they held that against Kobe,
even though he's a star player. And he came back
here for the All Star Game. While other people looked
at it like what is disgrace, we looked at it like, yeah,
don't ever do that talk us again. Mike miss and
Nelli ninety seven five, the fanatic, one of the great
(53:42):
talk show hosts in the country. My friend it's great
seeing you. You're a busy guy. I always appreciate you
doing this, and you know, I have great admiration and
respect for how hard you work. And I love when
we go back and forth and you know your ship
and I love having you on the same here callin.
It's it's always the pleasure to join you good and
it's good to see it. And we haven't seen each
other in a while. So keep doing what you're doing, brother,
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free agency is right around the corner, the NFL combines
wrapping up. I love this time of the year. Let's
talk Aaron Rodgers. He's going to make a decision here
in the next forty eight hours. Listen. I've said this
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for years. I root for captivating. I want more interesting stories.
I spent every Sunday for eleven years an ESPN watching
every Patriot snap and as great as they were, as
dynastic as they were. I got Patriot fatigue, I got
Belichick Brady fatigue. One of the reasons I'm rooting for
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Aaron Rodgers to leave. It's just more interesting. Denver's got
better players, and let's be honest, Aaron Rodgers knows it.
According to Ian Rappaport, a very sharp, dependable reporter, Aaron
Rodgers is torn between staying in Green Band leaving well.
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If he had a super Bowl roster, why would he
be torn. He'd have a super Bowl roster, his great
relationships in Green Bay and arguably the second worst division
in football, He's going to get therefore, a home field advantage,
playoff run, and a bye. You're only torn if you
think somewhere else has better players. He's not going to
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Denver because the division's easier. Mahomes Herbert Derek Carr twice
a year. He's not going there because he has a
community and a staff he knows well. He knows Hackett,
Nathaniel Hackett, and everybody else well. He's torn because he
knows Green Bay. If Davante Adams got injured, doesn't have
a legitimate number one receiver on the roster, and arguably
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doesn't have a legitimate number two receiver on the roster,
and Davante Adams has been hurt, and it's the NFL.
Players get hurt all the time. Look at the Rams
last year. Robert Woods injured out for the season, O
b j hurt in the Super Bowl, Davante Adams has
a couple of injuries. Are you gonna put your stock
in a roster that's top heavy with little star depth?
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Aaron knows Denver and Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's got a much better defense,
It's much more talented, a better defensive culture. Denver's got
much better players offensively and much more depth offensively. Aaron
knows it. They got potential stars at safety, two really
good corners. They've got an all pro level left tackle,
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excellent depth at running back, Pro Bowl level tight end,
four or five legitimate receiving targets. He's only torn for
one reason because Denver's got better players. Also, what's more fun?
Aaron leaving is more fun. Matt Stafford leaving was more fun.
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Brady having legitimate weapons is more fun. That's what I
root for. I may be a sportscaster, but I'm a fan,
so I am looking for Aaron to move and oh,
by the way, Packer fans if he does, and I
still think it's you know, fifty forty five these days
in Green Bay. If he leaves, I don't want to
hear this from Packer fans. We're sick of him anyway.
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Oh really, because you're the Packer fans the last eight years,
when I've criticized Aaron for being high maintenance, nani and
kind of overrated in the postseason, you defended him to
the hilt. So don't suddenly get amnesia and pretend like
you aren't hurt. It's like when Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma.
He's the best college football offensive coach in a sport
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that's leaning offensive. You're hurt. You're not burned because of
the way he left. You're burned because he left. And
you're gonna be burned because Aaron potentially leaves. I don't
want to hear you're done with him if he leaves,
because you defend them at every stop along this ten
year odyssey of high maintenance. There's something very interesting and
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different between NFL fans and NBA fans. NBA players, the
star players have their own shoes, and many fans obviously
buy those shoes, so you have a connection to an
NBA star, whereas you're not sitting around wearing cleats, even
if you love Patrick Mahomes. And it's funny what that
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creates for sports fans. Westbrook still has massive defenders. He's
now an atrocious player. He's a complete liability. The Lakers
won the championship two years ago, had Phoenix on the rope.
Last year they bring in Westbrook. They still have a
d they still have Lebron, they add Malik Monk Mello
has been good. They've still got some pieces there. Westbrook's
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ruined the chemistry the previous two years. Say what you want,
the chemistry was great. Crusoe, kcp L Kuzma. Here's the
other thing about this trade. Kyle Kuzman out is a
better player than Westbrook. He is fewer turnovers, higher field
goal percentage, much much better defender, more rebounds, more reliable,
less of a headcase. Lost in all of this Westbrook
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stuff is the fact the Lakers gave away a player
who still has four to five to six years of
prime left in Kyle Kuzma. And clearly Westbrook is a
completely shot fighter. But yet he still has fans in
the NFL, Derek Carr in chaos led the Raiders to
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the playoffs, and outside of Raider fans, and even often
among Raider fans, it's hard to find a large Derek
Carr support group because you don't wear his shoes. I
think a lot of that is the difference between NBA
and NFL fans. NBA fans will keep the grasp on
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their favorite star even when Derek Rose gets hurt. Eric
Rose is clearly not the same player. He's your guy.
You got his shoes, you spent money on it, You'll
wear him. There are guys all over the NFL that
are really really solid to above average players. Kirk Cousins,
Derek Carr, they don't have nearly as much as support
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as a player in basketball. That's an absolute liability today
and his wreck the Lakers Russell Westbrook. So expect Mitch Trubisky,
the former Bearer quarterback and first round pick, to be
a starting quarterback next year, and you'll probably hear about
it in the next few days. Keep your eye in
the Steelers, the Washington football team, and the Colts. Jim Mersay,
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the owner of the Colts, is furious how the season ended.
I think it's a big mistake, but they move off
Carson Wentz. In my opinion, perhaps for Mitch Trubisky. A
lot of people are pushing back. I can't believe Mitch
Trubisky would get a second chance time out. If you
live in Chicago, let me ask you a question. Is
Matt Naggie a good coach? Oh no, he's not. Okay.
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Is Mitch Trubisky a good quarterback? Oh no he's not.
Then how did he get to the playoffs twice? You
gotta be good at one of those two positions to
make the playoffs in the NFL. You do get that, right,
best quarterback won every division in the NFL in a
division with Green Band Aaron Rodgers, Mitch Trubisky made the
playoffs twice, and they fired Matt Nage. Now I've never
been a Trubisky fan, but we see Mitch Trubisky all
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the time. It's called Teddy Bridgewater. We all know this.
In the NFL, they're franchise quarterbacks. You got your franchise quarterbacks,
then you got your backup quarterbacks. But there's a third group.
It's called bridge quarterbacks. You're not going to give him
a five year deal. You're not going to build around him.
And the leader of the Bridge club is Ryan Fitzpatrick,
and the guys that often join him are Tyrod Taylor,
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Teddy Bridgewater and now Mitch Trubisky. There's got to be
a third group in there, beyond franchise guys you pay
the big bucks too, and backups, and there is, and
it's a tiny group, but Bridgewater, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor,
and Mitch Trubisky are your classic Bridge quarterbacks. You give
him a three year deal, you can get out of
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it after two you draft a quarterback perhaps behind him.
They are good enough to win games and keep you
playoff viable. And I do believe with the Colts or
the Steelers, Mitch Trubisky, and I'm not a fan, is
good enough to do that. So is Teddy Bridgewater. So
Coach k coached his last game at Cameron Indoor. Jerry
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Seinfeld was there, and Adam Silver was there, and a
bunch of former Dukies were there too. Bad Duke didn't
show up. They got hammered by North Carolina. You know,
I tell my kids all the time that don't get
discouraged because even for really talented successful people, being really
successful's hard you watch that MJ documentary, he was fighting
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with the owner the GM. Dennis Rodman coaches. Phil Jackson
was his third Bulls coach. He didn't make any playoff
series as a winner. He never won a playoff series.
Michael Jordan never won a playoff series without Scottie Pippen.
And he's arguably the best basketball player of all time.
Most of you think he's the greatest basketball player of
all time. Couldn't win a playoff series without Scottie Pippen.
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The point is he overcame, even for the great ones.
It's hard. Coach K won over five hundred more games
than John Wooden. And if you read the book by
Ian O'Connor, coach K he was almost fired when he
got the job. It was a shocker. He was roundly
criticized because he had a losing record at his previous stop, Army.
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The one and done culture gave Duke fitz and before
Johnny Dawkins, you weren't really sure if they were ever
gonna be in the elite annual program. It was hard
for the greatest college basketball coach of all time. It
was hard for the greatest basketball player of all time.
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Michael Jordan retired in the middle of his career to
play minor league baseball, and then retired again, and then
came back again. All the greats coaching, executives, players, it's
not where you go to school. It's not just your measurables.
To me, the common thread Isza's fight and resilience. MJ
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was resilient. Coach K was resilient. Go read that book
by Ian O'Connor. It is remarkable the struggles for over
thirty years. Duke had multiple times teetering on the edge
of irrelevance, and he overcame. You'll figure out very quickly
in that book. The one thing Sheshevsky was day one
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a fighter. So a story last week, the Cowboys, according
to Adam Schefter, are going to move off expensive wide
out Amari Cooper. I don't love the move, and I
said that on FS one and on iHeartRadio. Dak Prescott
with Amari Cooper and Dak Prescott without Amari Cooper with
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him and without him, he's two different quarterbacks. And without
him he's a B B minus quarterback. With him, he's
a B plus A minus quarterback. That's the difference between
winning playoff games and losing them. But what do we
learn from the Amari Cooper situation. Well, I've always had
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an opinion because I think many of you know that
have listened to me. I would love to be a
general manager of an NFL team. I'm certainly not qualified,
but if I'd spent thirty years pursuing that, not broadcasting,
who knows, you know, maybe I get lucky. And if
I ran a team, and I've talked to GM's about this,
I would pay big money rarely, with total discretion, and
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I would almost never pay early. A rare exception is
justin Herbert Josh Allen Russell Wilson. When you're looking at
a guy, there's clearly a Hall of Fame talent, of
arm brains, movement players like him. You know there's a
handful of quarterbacks you just do it for. But the
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Cowboys paid Ezekiel Elliot not only early, two years early,
at a position running back that most shrewd general managers
don't believe. You ever pay early because it takes more
of a physical beating than any other position that touches
the football. Can't hit receivers, can't hit tight ends, can't
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hit quarterbacks like you used to be able to you
can still drill from any angle a running back. The
Dallas Cowboys front office is now paying a price for
a move that was very, very easy to predict. They
paid a running back two years early, and now their
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second best running back is Ezekiel Elliott. I don't like
this move. Ceedee Lamb had one catch again the Niners
case of the drops last year, Michael Gallup's coming off
an ACL surgery, Cedric Wilson's of three. They're going to
have to go to the draft, and because they were
a playoff team, you know they're not taking high enough
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in the first or second round unless they tried up
to get really the top four or five receivers available.
And Dallas isn't a win now window, right. They're not
into developing a slot receiver from the third round. They
the guy to come in and be productive, and there'll
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for a long time. In fact, I don't bring other
talk show hosts on my show very much. I bring
Mike Missinellion a couple of times a year. He's got
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big opinions, he's smart on Philadelphia is a highly competitive
sports market, So to be able to win that market
for years and years and years is really something. And
a Mike works at ninety seven point five the fanatics.
It's as good as any sports talk radio market in
the country. Highly competitive and devoted fans. You know, It's funny, Mike.
Since I've moved to FS one, especially in the last
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three years, people said, Colin, you're doing a lot of
LA sports, And I keep telling everybody, yeah, because all
the teams here. When I would love I talked about
Philadelphia all the time on my show, because you have
like interesting teams. The Jets are terrible, the Giants are terrible,
the Knicks are terrible, the Nets are a mess, the
Mets are met. You know, it's it's funny what's happening
to your neighbors in New York. It's just bad management,
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bad owners, bad teams. Conversely, Philadelphia is kind of fascinating.
So let's start with the Sixers. We said on our show.
I thought, I said, listen, I like the coach. I
like him Bide. I like the talent, I like the chemistry.
It's a winning culture, I thought, I thought, Harden when engaged.
You know, there's some Kobe analytics here. He's virtually unstoppable.
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Are you a little surprised? How seamless, how quick, how
joyful it looks. Yeah, first of all, get to see it, Colin,
and thanks you for the kind of words. This sound's
upside down right, you know. And it took the first
few games with Harden in the lineup to get this
flow going and the energy here right now for this team.
And they lost the heat last night and Hard did
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not play, but you know, his first home game on
Wednesday was just the roof was about to blow off.
And I think in Philadelphia. When you give these fans
a team that that is pretty good enough to possibly
win something, the town just lights up. And also it
helps to have a star, and in this case, they
have two stars that are working together very well. Their
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spacing has been the most amazing thing that you can
see right now that with those two guys in the lineup,
they space very well. Their only flaw right now is
the strength of their bench. But you know, when you
look back at all the teams that have won, their
bench wasn't really that strong. Their starters were really strong.
So these guys are going to play close to forty
minutes once the playoff time comes, and if they can
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avoid that first round matchup with the Nets, which I
think is a little precarious, this team can actually get
through the NBA Finals. Yeah, we said that this week.
We said, you know one or two things that are
important in the playoffs. Do you have two closers Philadelphia does?
Bench doesn't matter as much. I mean, Utah has had
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a bench for years. Miami this year is a great bench.
But who do you go too late? Jimmy Butler is
more of an athlete, defensive guy than to get a
bucket guy. He's about a twenty point of game guy,
and bam out to buy you again. Nobody's He's not
in an embiide or a Yannis class to get a bucket.
So Miami's got a great bench. So I think Philadelphia's
bench it's fine. You've got length. I think basically, if
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you have seven guys, you're kind of fine. I'm not
a Ben Simmons fan because Mike. I've always believed there's
one thing you can't coach or teach indifference. It's just
like your business. You love Philadelphia, you love sports. There's
a lot of guys with a good voice. If you
don't love this stuff, it's too much crap with advertisers
and management, and it's just you've got to love it. Like,
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I don't get the Simmons thing. Give me stories. When
did you just say I'm over him? Well, I think
they are now. It's funny. When this thing first happened,
it was just hard to comprehend that one guy would
be willing to blow up an entire season and an organization.
Frankly keeping the organization kind of in limbo over this.
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But you're right about it. I know we had like
four years to study the guy. He has absolutely no
ability to self evaluate. You know, when this thing happened,
the reasons why he was criticized were valid reasons. He
did not take a shot before straight fourth quarters in
a playoffs and they lost to an inferior team. So
when Doctor Rivers said what he said, I know that's
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going to rub a player the wrong way, and he
probably shouldn't have said it. But a guy with self
evaluation should be able to look at and say, you
know why that hurt. But maybe he's right, and I've
got to do some things to change it up because
he's just absolutely paralyzed in a game to take a
jump shot and doesn't realized that that's wrong. You know,
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it was always everybody else's fault and not Ben Simmons.
And you go back like psychological but I hate to play,
you know, psychologist, armchair psychologist. But he was raised to
be a prince of sorts. He was like the prince
of his country and his parents. I think we're very
much enablers with his talent, and he was the next
thing that that was going to come. And so I
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believe that his brain has hardened into the point where
he does not think he has any flaws at all,
and to just hold out for an entire season. It
was just not realizing what that was going to do.
Not only to hear to the Philaelphia, but his own
career was just mind bodling in me. Yeah. There. You know,
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there was a scouting report when he left college that
said he wasn't always highly competitive and crucial moments, and
that is a total red flag. The fact that he's
ducking the game against the Sixers is a complete red
flag to right, Oh, it's totally But you know, as
soon as that that he was traded, there was no
way that he would. You know, everybody here fell there's
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no way that that he was going to make that game,
although people did get sucked into buying five hundred dollars
tickets for that game, and there's no way he's going
to face this kind of music coming back after after
all that had happened. But you know, just the progression
of the whole thing was just so ridiculous. Like he
showed up because his agents said, if you don't show
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up and take part, they're not going to pay you,
and so he came back and thought that they were
just going to pay him, and so what he did
was didn't want to participate doc rivers practices or his drills,
and thought he was going to be able to get
away with that, and then they said, okay, well, if
you're not participating, you're not really satisfying the requirements of
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your contract, so you're not going to pay it. And
then the mental situation came up, and it's really it's
tough to talk about that because it keeps you at
Bay that, you know, how can you make a judgment
on how guys feeling mentally? But we all thought it
was just a ruse for him to try to collect money,
and it did. They started to pay him, and then
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he said he was seeing somebody on his own, and
then the Sixers couldn't verify that he was seeing somebody
on his own, so they would help money again, and
he just didn't get it. So he got what he wanted.
He goes to Brooklyn and now it's back because he
thinks that in the NBA it's just easy to miss
the whole season and not work out and then come
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back and play at an NBA level. So now he's
got legitimate back injuries or whatever it is. But the
Sixers to think about this deal because a lot of
people said at the start of the deal, oh, how
could you give up a backup center as valuables drumming
and a shooter like Curry. Well, basically what they did
was they traded Ben Simmons for a superstar in James Harden.
And as soon as Harden's come that fans really didn't
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pay enough attention to Harden's game? What was that most
of all about him? He's a smart player now, he
just knows what to do on a basketball floor, and
he's made everybody around them better, especially Tyrese Maxie, who's
going crazy right now. Well that's the interesting Maxie and
he are an interesting because Maxie, by the way, wants
the ball, highly athletic. I mean, he's an interesting player.
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Is there any concern that that could be could be
agitating that that may not be ideal. No, he's been
freed up, tyres Maxie would Harden on the floor, has
been freed up to do what he does best, which
is he's kind of a combo guard. And he saw
him at Kentucky. He just flies and hardened, creating space.
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It makes Maxi so much better and he's fearless, and
Harden's kind of taking him under his wing. Halftime the
other day against that game on Wednesday night, Harden goes
up to him a halftime and says, all right, you
ready by now he had four points in the first half,
so in the second heay, he just took charge and
Caliparry was there. I was sitting ripping behind Calipari, who
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had come to see him in Emmanuel Quickly and Randall
and all those Kentucky guys, and you know, he says,
this is the way Tyree's he plays. I was talking
will by just get him out and he opened get
him out in space when he has to be the
point guard, he will. And they've been doing that. They
when they take Hart now they make sure they keep
maximum fourth to Bias Harris, he's just a fun loving
kid who loves to play the game with no pretensions
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at all. Yeah, let me pivot to Jalen Hurts. So
I've been highly critical of Tua in Miami, and my
takeaway is he's not a playmaker with his feet, and
he's not a playmaker with his arm. He can't do
anything off script. So if you're a little smaller than
ideal size, you got to give me something special. I
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defend Jalen Hurts saying a little small. I don't think
he's a great thrower, but he is absolutely too productive
as a playmaker not to give another year. That's my interpretation.
But in Philadelphia, what are they saying about. Well, you're
probably right when you look at it logically, really, because
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I don't think the Eagles believed that. I think the Eagles,
if they had a chance to make a deal. Russell
Wilson's been there White, well, they didn't draft them. They
were sorry they didn't draft them. They've loved them ever since.
I don't think he's going to be available, but they've
been also interested in Deshaun Watson. I think that they
do want to upgrade the position. I don't think he's
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got They have total belief in Hurts, and I don't
think he played to that level where you go you
have total belief in them. Now, if they don't do
anything else, he's obviously going to get one more year
to do it. Which is interesting because in the draft
they have three first round picks. Whether they save one
of those picks for next year, when the quarterback draft
will be a little better than it is this year,
is the question. So I don't believe they will draft
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at quarterback. I do believe that Hurts will will get
one chance to do it. But it's funny that you
bring up Hurts because when they drafted them, I thought
it was the biggest organizational failure I seen in Philipphi
sports because of the Wentz thing just crashed and burned
on him. And one of the lynch pins was it
that they drafted Hurts and Wentz really did not take
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it well and so uh like, they didn't figure that
would happen, and the Wentz thing just just blew up.
And so when it blew up, they had the biggest
salary cap hit in the history of football at thirty
eight million. That's to me not a success. I always
thought the Eagles were well run, and then over the
course of a year you hear the Doug Peterson story,
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the owner meddling Howie Roseman, and we heard some of
that with Chip Kelly, but hey, he's a college coach
and Chips an odd bird, and I like Chip, He's
an odd bird, so okay, that's that's not that's Chip.
And then Doug Peterson, who's kind of liked, I mean,
most of my NFL guys. They kind of liked Doug.
I mean, is he a great coach? He kind of
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likable guy, and then you hear stories and again there's meddling,
and it's like is this a shit show? Like do
they know what they're do they know what they're doing?
So I wanted you to give me a Philadelphia view
how is ownership in the front office view? Because I
when Nick Sirianni held his press conference, initially I thought
it was embarrassing. I didn't even know what to say,
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and we had we had a blast with him. But uh,
it's really an interesting dynamic here with this Uh with
Jeffrey Laurie, I believe Um likes to get involved, and
at first it didn't seem like he did. The theory
is that Hurts was his pick, that that Roseman really
wasn't one board taking Hurts in that position. But Laurie's
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one of these guys that will watch college football on
Saturdays and think that he knows something that he really
doesn't know. And I think he's had a lot of
input because of that. Now Roseman is strategic in that
he knows he's the trusted voice and Laurie believes in him.
So His brilliance is to convince Laurie that he really
(32:00):
knows what he's doing, and so the LOORI has eminent
trust in him. His drafts have been horrendous in the
last three years, and everybody is nervous here that with
three number one picks in that I call it the
danger zone because it's the teens going towards twenty where
Roseman has made a lot of mistakes. So yeah, it'll
be interesting to see what they do here. I'm a
(32:21):
draft nick. I'm a dork. I love it. I love
college football. Philadelphia is not a big college football town.
I grew up in Seattle. The Huskies won a national title.
I was a USC fan. I worked in Tampa, so
I followed the SEC and I've been to a lot
of these stadiums. I like it, you know, I grew
up with it. I like it. It's a bad draft.
I have a lot of NFL executives and scouts. I
(32:42):
know everybody wants to trade down. It's just a bunch
of b players. I think the kid out of Michigan
the pass rushers, probably your safest bet. But he's not
t J Watt. I mean, there is no Fletcher Cox
in this draft. There is no Aaron Donald, there is
no Chase Young on the defensive front, and I kind
(33:03):
of look at where the Eagles are poised, and I
think to myself, as I watched them last year, I'm like,
they got into the playoffs, hurts probably in Nick Serriani,
probably ten fifteen percent improve. The division is still weak,
and I'm like, can they get three starters? I mean,
you have an elite corner. You kind of have to
(33:24):
rebuild a little bit. Your line play. It's old, like
where in not a great draft, though you have a
nice supply of picks, Like where would you say, Okay,
here's three picks go in this direction. Well, I don't
know where they're gonna go, but they're they're they're the
very line oriented. So and you're right, I don't know
who's gonna They need a pass rusher badly, and uh,
(33:47):
you know, Derek Barnett is probably not gonna be back yet,
Brandon Graham coming back from terrible injury, and he's old.
So they desperately need a pass rusher. And they're probably
gonna take who's ever left on the board, whether that's
a Jabo, whether that's Carlotti Perdue or the kid from
Florida State that they liked at the Senior Bowl. So
I believe that will be their first round pick. They
also need a corner. They need a linebacker more than
(34:10):
any other team in the league, and they just won't
pull the trigger on a linebacker in that spot, so
I wouldn't expect that they'll go linebacker. If they keep
three picks, which I doubt they would probably go, two
of them will be defensive, but they'll also be intrigued
to take a wide receiver in that position if they
do that. Howie Roseman admits that Jalen Reager was a failure,
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and I'm not sure he's ready to admit that, so
I know your guess is as good as mine. But
they need defensive players, and a lot of people here
want them to take three defensive players with those three picks,
but I don't think that's going to happen. I think
they'll trade one of those picks. I always like Doug Peterson,
but when you're doing local stuff, you see the warts.
You know I'm flying at thirty thousand feet. So I
(34:53):
thought he was likable. I thought he was a player's coach.
I thought he was a guy, you know, over the course.
It's almost like Joe Torre as a base ball manager.
I don't know if he's great with x's nose. He
was good at managing people and egos and the press,
and I thought Doug was pretty good at that. Am
I right or wrong? What were strange for a while,
But then I think that people saw that he really
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wasn't that a stute of a coach. And you know,
you watched him during the games and the adjustments that
didn't come, and the fundamental errors that the mistakes the Eagles.
It's it's hard to knock a coach that won a
Super Bowl. I get it, but you know, I just
think the Eagles that year caught lightning in a bottle.
With all due respect to Doug, it went downhill from
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from that point on. And I didn't think he was
a very smart coach, to be honest with you. So
I don't know what Jacksonville is gonna get. But there
wasn't really much disappointment when when he was when he
decided not to do it anymore. They obviously loved them
because he won the Super Bowl, but they don't love
him enough. They don't love him like they loved Nick Foles.
(35:58):
When Nick Foles can do no wrong for the history
of his life in Philadelphia because of that run he
had with the Super Bowl as the Turndown. You know,
he was kind of a mediocre quarterback most of the time.
You know what it is, Philadelphia pays attention. So Peterson
is fine in Jacksonville. He's not fine in Philadelphia. Andy
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Reid is somebody that lasted a long time in Philadelphia.
Bella check would last a long time, Sean McVay, Kyle shanahan.
If you pay attention, and Philly pays attention to everything
and dissects everything. Doug's got a little country club to him. Jacksonville.
They don't pay hi up attention. You're you're probably right,
and you're right about see. I always said this, like
(36:43):
when we criticize McNab, people couldn't understand it because, you know,
and in retrospect he's probably underrated because he's the best
quarterback in franchise history. But we saw every snap and
we saw you know everything else. They pay attention here
to every snap, every hall, every play call, things like that,
and yeah, he was coming up short and Doug Peterson
(37:06):
kind of the same way. He was just coming up short.
There were some ridiculous game plans that he didn't seem
to adjust at halftime when it could have made adjustments.
And so that's the thing about Philadelphia. People outside of
Philadelphia don't realize that we pay attention to every dribble
and every snap. Yeah, so you know it's people get
(37:31):
hurt by the perception, the national perception. But then you know,
I try to tell people they're not like you. They're
not following every snap. It is really important to you
this particular sport, this particular game. And I get it
because a lot of the reasons that you mentioned before.
We're in the Northeast corridor at sports is so important
(37:51):
in everyday lives of people here where it wouldn't be
somewhere else. Yeah, I've said this before. Is there are
days I deeply missed doing local radio, Big market Philly, Boston,
the intensity take I do a podcast, I do a simulcast.
It's hard to take calls on a simulcast because it's
(38:13):
a TV show, whereas in radio it's it's the lifeblood
of the show. You get great passion and arguments. If
I said to you in Philadelphia sports radio, which which
to me, is the most intense sports radio market I've
ever heard. I think it's surpassed Boston. If I said
two things that always get phone calls, what are they
(38:36):
in Philly? Simmons and Hurts. Now the sentence things run out,
but we ran with that on a daily basis. There's
always a guy. It's funny. In my career. It's started
it way back by the way Artists. Show is also
simulcast on TV, so the TV on NBC Sports Philadelphia
(38:57):
regional network that has the Sixers games on. But when
I first started, there was always a compelling guy that
you could talk about all the time. It started with
Randall cunning in. It went to Alan Iverson, it went
to McNabb. Lynn Dross was in there for a little bit,
and Simmons just grabbed everybody's attention, not only for his
way he played, because there were some moments where everybody
(39:19):
he's a breathtaking player when he wants to be. But
then it shifted to the negative where it wouldn't take
a shot and everybody thought it was ridiculous and lost
their patience. But it hurts every day when the Eagles
are playing. It's hurts, isn't good enough. Okay, then he
had his good game. Hurts is good enough. But then
it comes back to Hurts isn't good enough? And it ended.
The season ended with people being ambivalent about hurt. So
(39:43):
that's a topic that will It will still go on
as they start the season. Philadelphia has always had this
reputation as brutal, harsh, opinions, not informed. And I tell
people this all the time. Because the weather is poor
in the East, people actually watch more sports in the East.
(40:04):
They are informed. I mean California today at sixty nine,
that's not a good day the beaches. It's not that
people in the LA don't watch sports, but the minute
a team's average, they bail because of social options. In Philadelphia,
they don't bail, they bitch, they watch, they complain, and
(40:25):
so you know, when I would listen to East Coast radio,
I was struck by the intensity and at first it
was jarring to me as a West Coast guy, I'm like, God,
these people need to kind of get a life. And
I thought, well, I live here. I'm indoors all the
time too. You're either in your car or you're indoors.
(40:47):
You do you think Philadelphia fans have gotten a bad
rap through the total bad rap. And you know those
stereotypes are they're just extended by people who don't aren't
here every day, like you know. For I think that
we had a little thing with with Andy Reid. You're
Andy guy, and at the time Andy was starting to
(41:08):
wane here, and so I think that Philaphia fans can't
be conned. So when a team is good, like they
see this team, they're on board. When they're not, they're
bitching about why they're not good. And so somebody is
a fall guy for that, whether it's the manager, whether
it's the head coach, whether it's the ownership, the way
(41:30):
things are run. So right now the cycle is Flyers
way down, Phillies. We don't know anything about Eel's hopeful Sixers. Reality,
this is a team that the people here recognize is
good enough to win, so you know it's heightened. But
but you're right about what they don't bail, they bitch
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I wonder if you've noticed this, and I think you
(44:01):
probably have, because you know you're a curious guy, and
I think I'm a curious guy. Is that our careers
sports radio isn't one thing. It involves just like coaches, teams, sports.
I mean, you and I now analytics drive baseball. I
think it's hurt the sport. There's not enough base runners,
there's not enough action. I don't mind three pointers in
(44:23):
the NBA, so I'm cool with the analytics. And I
do think playoff basketball gets very situational. The midrange game
absolutely comes back in the playoffs. Right you're trying to
draw a whistle. You know you're trying to you know,
the mid range works. But one of the things I've
noticed between legalized sports gambling and I would say sort
of the business acumen of Roger Goodell and the owners.
(44:46):
My show is a syndicated show, is about seventy percent
NFL baseball analytic inactivity and the inability to market stars.
College basketball now is a tarmac, It's a one and done.
Who knows who plays for anybody. I mean, you could
ask a Philly fan about Villanova starting five. They probably
give you two guys. College football is hit and miss,
(45:08):
depending on the region. But I've noticed over the last
seven to eight years I do more NFL than I've
ever done, And I wonder ay of you noticed it
be it's the same for you. It has always been
that way. The Eagles have taken up I don't know.
I would think seventy five percent of the interest if
you had a pie start, it's always Eagles, Eagles, Eagles,
(45:30):
unless a team comes along that can possibly win something.
So yeah, you know, when when autumn comes, obviously the
Eagles will will take over and the NFL will take over.
This is a football tamp more than anything. And baseball,
you know, it's Bryce Harper has really helped because he's
a star that people like to follow, but they're not
(45:51):
good enough and everybody knows it here. People still come
to the ballpark, but we don't really talk that much
about the Phillies unless there's some kind of a comp issue,
unless they show they're good enough to win. So the
summer's sports UG Radio here. It's tough. It's tough for
to do a show in the summer that than anytime
because the baseball just doesn't kick up the interest. And
(46:12):
you know, the Flyers had their base, but we don't
really and we carry their games and this we haven't.
I don't know if we've taken five calls on the
Flyers in the last two months. So yeah, I agree
with you. This it's the NFL takes over, the Eels
take over here. It's a football town. And one of
the guys I forgot to mention it was that compelling
interest that we could talk about every day was Terrell Owens.
(46:35):
So when he was here, he came in, he gave
like a meteor and just flashed through the atmosphere and
he's doing pushing up some on his driveway. Now what
better scenario as a sports ug radio host? Can you
have a wide receiver who leaves this team, gives them
the finger and those sit ups in his driveway and
we're there with live cameras and we're talking about it
(46:55):
every day. You know, you talked about throw a baseball
thing at you. I did triple A play by a
Platt of college. I thought I was gonna be a
baseball announcer. That was my kind of I don't know
if it was my dream, but it was what. I
got a job at a college doing triple A baseball
for an inning, so it was like, Okay, it's my
first break, and I did some local TV years later.
One of the things that's been remarkable to me is
(47:17):
how baseball has let football trample them. Now. The NBA
has always been player driven since we were kids. I
mean I can remember. I can literally name the Sixers
starting lineup with Billy Cunningham coaching and Caldwell Jones, I mean,
Steve Mix and George McGinnis. It was always a players league.
That was always yes, yeah, okay, no, And those were
(47:39):
great teams. And I mean I can go, I can
go to the Dave being Bob Lanier Pistons. It's always
been a players league. I mean I grew up with
the Spencer Haywood and the Sonics and Bill Walton and
Dave towards It and Sydney Wicks of the Blazers. I
can't do that with a lot of football and baseball
teams years ago. But what's remarkable about baseball um indifference
kills a sport, not negative public. It's like us. People
(48:02):
can hate us, that's fine. If you're if you're indifferent
to Mike Ms and Ellie that you're in trouble. Yes.
And what I find with baseball during all this, you know, negotiations,
nobody cares, I mean seam heads, But are you taking
calls on it? No, we're not. A lot of people
(48:22):
don't understand that the whole dynamic of players, as the
union and owners and what they want everything. But you're
right they you know, what happened in ninety four. Apparently
it's not a lesson to owners that, you know, they
lost the interest in support for a lot of years
until that the peed home run race came in, and
they seem to be oblivious to that. Now. I don't
(48:43):
know how it's going to affect it. I know it's
a nice evening at the ballpark for kids and families,
and they go to the games as as sort of
a recreational thing. But you're right, the interest when this
ends whenever it ends, and if they miss an ordinate
amount of games people are out, then it may take him,
you know, several years to get back in there. And
(49:04):
you're right about not marketing stars. I mean, you know,
for for a lot of years the best player in
the game was Mike Trout. He seems just uninterested in
marketing the game. And NBA players can't wait the market
the game because they know that's where the action is.
That's what brings fans in and baseball has done a
poor job. I don't know what they could do about it.
But because baseball players are baseball players, they're just superstitious
(49:28):
people that when they bring too much attention to themselves
that they think it's gonna be a jinx and will
go over thirty five, So they're they're not that willing
to participate. Baseball is like one of these unforgiving sports
when when you think you got a master, it bites
your head off, just like golf. So I don't even
I don't know how to market baseball. I really don't
(49:49):
because if the players don't have that pizzazz and aren't
willing to get involved that way, how do you do it?
Example for me is I really watch a ton of
NFL and college football, and then when it ends, I
take about two weeks off and then I go heavy
into NBA. So like every day I'll work out about
four or four thirty, which is seven thirty year time,
(50:09):
I'll watch the first half of the Sixers or the Nets.
You know, I'll watch multiple NBA games, and I know
that I don't watch as much as a Philadelphia fan,
So you know, if you want to break down bullpens
or benches, I can always lose to a local fan
or a talk show host, right, I take my view
as sort of listen. I watched Philadelphia and beads Baby
(50:31):
Shack Hardens, Kobe and a veteran coach that formulas one
a lot of championships. That's that's you know, that's Tony
Parker and Duncan and Popovich. That is you know, by
the way, that is if you go, that's Kobe Shack
and at the time, phil like I do realistically look
(50:52):
at the Sixers and think, yeah, I don't think I
don't think Milwaukee's defense as nearly as good as it
was a year ago. I don't think Miami has really
a great shop maker. With three minutes left, you have
two Chicago. I don't buy Chicago's the classic. We throw
a bunch of b guys together, they play their butts off,
but they have a total ceiling in the playoff. In
(51:13):
situational basketball, I do think Philadelphia is going to win
the East. I really realistically do do you. I just
watched the Milwaukee tonight and the thing that they're deep,
and they're deeper than the Sixers. So I really think
that's going to be a tough series that I think
that Sixers can win the series. But I just worry
(51:35):
that for people here that Milwaukee just has a little
more depth for them, and you know, they can go
to different guys and get input from and you know,
the Sixers are getting the Big Three has turned into
Hard and Mbad and Maxie and Tobias Harris has been
a little lost. So Depias Harris isn't as good as Middleton,
(51:56):
and uh, you know the Jannis obviously is a complete player.
Drew Holliday is a good player. But they've been getting
all these contributions from guys off the bench, like this
war has come from nowhere to play well for them.
So I think it would be a really good series
right now, if you asked me to, I would lean
them Walkee slightly until I see more of the stickers.
And you know, they have a big game against the
(52:17):
Bulls on Monday, so we'll see more about that. But
you know, backtrack into what you said about we pay attention.
I remember one of the classic examples of Philadelphia mentality
is when Kobe Bryant came here for the All Star Game.
And obviously, you know, Kobe grew up like a couple
of blocks away from where I am right now, and
(52:38):
so he became a Philadelphia cocoon after the fact. But
when he was first playing with the Lakers, he disassociated
himself completely with Philadelphia. He called himself an LA guy.
Wasn't a feeling guy. He's wearing Dodger hats around when
they were going to play in the series the gym,
We're gonna cut Philly hard down the whole bit. And
you know, all that is competitive juices for Kobe. But
(52:59):
people took it here like they they've wrapped each other around,
like with the arms, like how dare he said? How
dare he turned his back on us? And so they
booed him at the All Star Game. And if you
remember that, that caused a national disgrace. You know, how
could Philadelphia book Kobe Bryant. He's a Philadelphia But they
(53:21):
didn't know the backstory of it. And so and that's
what I mean by by the people here paying attention
to live the littlest things. And they held that against Kobe,
even though he's a star player. And he came back
here for the All Star Game. While other people looked
at it like what is disgrace, we looked at it like, yeah,
don't ever do that talk us again. Mike miss and
Nelli ninety seven five, the fanatic, one of the great
(53:42):
talk show hosts in the country. My friend it's great
seeing you. You're a busy guy. I always appreciate you
doing this, and you know, I have great admiration and
respect for how hard you work. And I love when
we go back and forth and you know your ship
and I love having you on the same here callin.
It's it's always the pleasure to join you good and
it's good to see it. And we haven't seen each
other in a while. So keep doing what you're doing, brother,
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