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First, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to talk about the potential for a disastrous season looming for the Dallas Cowboys (2:45), the potential expansion of the college football playoff to 24 teams (10:45) and their expected win total for Caleb Willams and the Chicago Bears in Ben Johnson’s first season as head coach (15:15).
Then, he’s joined by LIV Tour professional golfer Cam Smith about the LIV Tour vs the PGA (27:00), and his thoughts on what makes golfers like Jon Rahm, Phil Mickelson and Rory McIlroy truly special (34:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Looking at this cowboy thing we were talking about on
the show. So John Middlkoff is going to be on
FS one all week. And one of the rants I
did today was about Mike McCarthy. I think the Cowboys
are going to shit the bed week one. I think
it's going to be a disastrous season. I don't like
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their defensive personnel. They've got two or three things that
get in the way of winning. One, their division's gotten better. Two,
their offensive line is really in flux, and they don't
have elite running backs to begin with, so it's going
to be very Dak Prescott dependent, which is not good.
I mean, he's not the kind of quarterback that it
can carry a franchise. He needs help. No run game,
(00:55):
O line work in progress. And the defense was terrible
last year. But if you go back and look at
Mike McCarthy, and this happens all the time. It's a
big brand, and you run people out of town. I mean,
the Lakers have run through a lot of coaches, and
a lot of those coaches have gotten good gigs. But
Mike McCarthy went twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve
(01:16):
and five, and then Dak got hurt. He won more
games that he lost. With Cooper Rush, they had the
second best offense in the league behind Josh Allen and
the Bills in his tenure in Dallas. And I think
if if the Cowboys are awful, and I think they
will be this year, I think Mike McCarthy is going
to go from the Packers to the Cowboys. I think
he's going to get another job in an offensive league?
(01:38):
Am I not saying that?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well? Why do you think he wasn't a bigger candidate
this offseason? Because I thought, you know, those three straight
years of twelve wins, what he did last year, I
mean most an average to below average coach last year
with Dak being injured, they end up winning two or
three games, but they went seven and ten, and Cooper
Rush was good. There's a branding issue with Mike, right,
kind of bigger, kind of goofy guy. When he got
(02:02):
fired from the Packers, it felt like his relationship with
Aaron had deteriorated. Aaron's kind of pivoted and is like
a supporter of him. Now, sometimes a year away with
coaches will do him well. You could argue, I mean,
the Giants are gonna match up really well against the Cowboys,
right because they have a really good defensive line and
at that offensive.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, they have a dominant defense. They have second best
d lines arguably.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
In the su Yeah, I mean it could. It's really
I thought it was a little premature a couple of
years ago, but the Al Davis comps, I mean, the
Al Davis thing, it got ugly because he started hiring
coaches that had no business being the head coach. And
that that's what Brian Schottenneimer feels like right now and
what's going on there. I mean, if if they're an
injury or two away from being a disaster, and unlike
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Mike McCarthy that knows what he's doing, who's to say
that they couldn't just unwrap? I mean, what if Dak
rolled an ankle all of a sudden, You're like, oh
my god, here we go, and Brian's acting tough. Here's
the other thing the play like with Al Davis, the
players know that Jerry's in charge, so it was like,
why am I gonna Why am I gonna listen to Brian?
And that Mike Lombardi talked about this forever. Once everyone realized,
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like the coach doesn't matter here. Just go to Al,
you know, like you do that. You know how he's
the boss. You know, mcveigh's the boss or Kyle's the boss.
Obviously they don't sign the checks, but the owners to
deal with. Even Jimmy Haslam was like Miles Garrett was like,
I want to trade. He's like, deal with the GM.
Talk to him. He's in charge of football. That is
not the way it works with the Cowboys. And when
you get one thing, Mike had a Peltz on the
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wall right, had coached Aaron Rodgers, had won a Super Bowl.
He're like Brian Shot and Eyber Guy. Some of these
young coaches had never heard of his dad. So it's
not like he's this famous coach's dad. I mean he
is to me and you. But if you're twenty two
years old, you don't remember Marty Schottenheimer coaching the Browns, right,
or coaching the Chargers, and so some of his credibility
with that name doesn't resonate like it does for an
(03:51):
older person or even Jerry who I've heard Jerry say
part of the reason he loved I think he thought,
maybe I'm getting a Kyle Shanahan or a McVeigh, you know,
from a football family. I think that's what he's thinking.
It's like, Jerry, Yeah, it ain't quite the same.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, I think I was talking to Matt Mosley on
one of my pods and he said, like, Jerry doesn't
respect coaches, and there's a very clear line. He hires
coaches who will be indebted to him. I like Jason Garrett,
didn't think he was great, thought he was good. Jason
Garrett would not have gotten another head coaching job. Mike
McCarthy was on the beach. Chan Jan Gaily was not
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a hot prospect. Nobody was even offering a top oc
job to Brian Schottenheimer. The coaches Jerry doesn't respect the
coaching position, which is really weird considering Jerry usually has
a pretty good sense of valuations of properties. He's a
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very very good businessman, and I think Jerry overvalues his
football IQ and feels like, by and large, we could
win twelve games with Mike McCarthy. I can win, I
can win ten to eleven games if Dak comes back healthy.
(05:06):
It's just remarkable to me that in the most important
sport for coaching, football, where the league has gotten much
more sophisticated and intelligent with its offensive coaching. Jerry's going
the other way, which is coaches don't matter. It's really
remarkable to me everybody. Now, Maybe it's this he looks
(05:30):
at Nick Siriani and thinks, I they won a super
Bowl with Nick Siriani. Maybe he looks in his own
division and says that, I mean, I mean, Sarahanni to
me is a bit of an outlier where I understand
Dan Campbell, who I wasn't initially a fan of. I
don't really get Sarianni still, but it works.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He's got Howie Roseman. I mean, I mean, he's got
a guy that's gonna be probably a first bout All
Famer one day as a general manager. I think Jerry
is just opportunity. Sean Payton worked for him, Dan Campbell
played for him. You could argue a couple of years
ago Dan Quinn, who was this rising star. If you're
gonna get rid of Mike McCarthy, just fire him then
and hire Dan Quinn. I think a mistake he made
(06:13):
is two years ago when Mike lost to the Packers
and everyone freaked out and he got his ass kicked.
He'd let him coach on that year where his contract
ran out. He probably should have just given Mike like
a three year contract extension after that year. Wouldn't have
had to be crazy money, but Jerry prideful wasn't gonna
do that after they lost, and now he's in a
position where Brian Shottenneimers is head coach. I'm not as
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down on the on the Cowboys roster of being some
joke like two to three win team, but the way
they're built, I mean they are an injury to a way,
and if the coach is over his head, this is
a sport where it's like it can get ugly, and
it can get ugly fast. And if Dak were to
get injured, and he has a history, now, who's to
say they can't end up like a four win team
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and be last place in that division. If the Giants
just the quarterback plays stabilized a little bit and their
defensive solid, we know, Washington, the Eagles are good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, I think you nailed it. I think the New
York Giants are Say what you want about the Giants.
That defensive line. Now again, Philadelphia's O line is good
enough to keep it at bay. I think the Giants
D line could overwhelm the Cowboys. I think Abdul Carter
Foboto on the other side, Dexter Lawrence. I'm trying to
(07:23):
think of defensive lines I like more than the New
York Giants. There's not a lot of them. There are
some individual players that are great. I think the Rams
defensive line is really really good in getting better. Philadelphia is, obviously,
But you know, there's some teams in this league, and
the Giants are one of those teams. I actually think
(07:43):
they're a quarterback away. I think if you gave them
the right quarterback, you'd look up in the Giants. They
wouldn't be flashy. If Malik Neighbors could stay healthy, they
could actually win eleven games. That's why you know Dable.
I think it works a little bit with his franchise
because he is good at taking average B quarterbacks and
making them a half great higher. But I don't know.
(08:06):
I just i history repeats itself, and I think we're
going into a really dark cowboy stage. I just heard
a story yesterday from a very good network source that
there is a lot of momentum to have like a
twenty four or twenty eighteen playoff, and my loyalty has
always been to more big games, and you just can't
(08:30):
get me worked up. I Auburn Alabama. It's great, but
it's regional and the highest rated game last year. I
think it was Texas Georgia. That's not a rivalry. It
wasn't Texas Oklahoma. So I don't. I'm not when I
heard everybody say, well, you're going to kill the rivalries. Listen,
if you're a Michigan fan in Ohio State, did that
(08:51):
game feel smaller last year to you? When Michigan upstate
Ohio State? It didn't feel smaller to me, you know. So,
I mean the reality is when the Ms play the Niners,
it's intense. They could play three times a year. Years ago,
when the Steelers and Ravens and Ray Lewis was around
and so was Big Ben. They play one year three times.
(09:12):
The third game felt bigger than the first two because
it was a playoff game. So there's just certain things
in twenty twenty five. I can't get worked up over
somebody having pot in their car, same sex marriage, NCAA
(09:32):
coming down on payments to players, or any kind of scandal.
Like we've just graduated to just understanding the world we
live in I said it today. Unless you're like a
cop from Reno nine to one to one, you got
a roach in your car. Nobody cares. That mattered in
the seventies, and I just if you can buy high
school players. I don't give two shits about somebody with
(09:55):
an iPhone in the crowd. I don't care if you
have forty of them. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I do. I think the twenty four twenty eight team
college football playoff, that's where I might get a little
worked up. You know, we saw the twelve team that
first round was a blowout. You know, you know there
have been arguments about sixteen twenty four again more. I
love football as much as the next guy, but that
does that feel a little extreme, And we get a
lot of average to below average teams in the dance
(10:21):
in that situation, it's been your argument. So I think
for March Madness forever, we always scream over first in
last out or whatever. Those teams never matter, right, who
are your one and two seeds? They usually determine the tournament.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So I think you'd have to make it half the
size of March Madness because football is a sport of attrition.
So the little guy. It has no chance in a
twenty eight team tournament to ever win like a third
straight game against a bigger, deeper roster, I think. But
I think I've said I think the perfect number is
about sixteen. I wouldn't be bothered by twenty. I think
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if you get to twenty eight, you'd have to give
the top like four seeds. You know, I don't want
I don't want Georgia playing Liberty. I'm just not interested
in that at all.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, Notre Dame played Indiana and that was kind
of embarrassing for the Hoosiers.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I thought it was very I mean, Boise State, Penn
State had a guy drafted in the top ten at
running back and he had no chance. You know why
because the offensive lineman had no chance to block the
Penn State guys. And that's always going to be the
big problem you get a twenty eighteen playoff. But here's
the other thing. It's like, it's one thing at the
fourth or fifteen from the Big ten and the SEC
(11:32):
get in. But when you're taking the third and fourth
team from the Big twelve and the ACC, that's when
it could get really ugly. And that's we don't need
to see those teams play.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I get it's all about television ratings and football. I
was thinking today watching Sunday Night Football with Kayleb Williams,
what do you think the first thirty minutes of that
football game did? I mean, it just had to blow
everything out of the water on Sunday Night on Fox. Right,
So the advantage I never argue against, like more of
these games. Completely understand or argue against the people that
(12:03):
want more football in terms of working at the networks
who are part of the revenue generation, because it's only
going to bring in more eyeballs. It's like, listen, I
hate the double header on Monday Night. I think it's
I think a huge part of playing Monday night football
or Sunday night football is getting the solo game. But
their argument is, you put the double header. It accumulates
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millions upon millions of more people watching football, and that's
the business Roger an, ESPN or Fox or whoever's in.
But sometimes the product does get worse when I get
a double header on Monday night. I don't know who's
asking for it. Besides, we're just gonna get more people.
We can sell more ads and make more money.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, I want to play a game. I'm going to
go through the Bear schedule because I did this flying
back Boston to LA yesterday and I was surprised at
what I landed at. Okay, I'm going to give you
the game, just your kind of gut instinct winner lose
(13:02):
for the Bears. Minnesota Vikings come to Chicago on September eighth,
Brian Floores against Caleb Williams. Win or a loss. Win, Okay,
you have a win. Bears then go to Detroit in
one of the louder environments against Dan Campbell and two
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new coordinators.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Loss.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay, they get a host of Dallas Cowboys and Brian
Schottenneimer win. I think that's one of my favorite wins.
Then they go on the road to face Pete Carroll, Aston,
Jenny Brockbauers and the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's a tough game, going to be loud, Seattle is
going to have a fast start. Raiders, Oh, peaky out
nevermind win win.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, so you have a win win. I think it's
I think it's a really good game. Bears then go
to the commanders.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Side of the crime last year, right the Hail Mary.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's a late NBC level game. It's a five to
fifteen start, so that's a big Washington at home late game.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'll go l.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's what I did. Okay, Sat scot to Chicago win
out a win. Bears at the Ravens lost. Yes, Bears
at the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Win. I think the Bengals could just be not as
good as people think.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay, Giants at the Bears.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's one of those sneaky, tough matchups where I think
most fans would give the Bears a w. I could
see an upset city. They're gonna get upset wherever they
might start feeling themselves, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, you give them an l Okay, this is getting interesting.
Now the Bears are at the Vikings l Okay. Steelers
at the Bears.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Win for the Bears.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, Bears at the Eagles, probably a loss. Yes, Bears
at the Packers.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
They've beat them once in like thirty years. Right, Yeah,
I'm going l loss.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Okay, Now get near the end and we'll see what
this means. Brown's at the Bears. That's probably a w.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Packers at Chicago.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now I'll go split here.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Win. Bears at Niners.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Win for the Niners. Lost for the Bears.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And finally Lions at the Bears.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Win.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, what do you think their record is? What have
you predicted nine and eight or ten and seven, nine
and eight? I got to eight and nine, and so
I went through it last night and I said, instead
of predicting, I'm going to go every win. And I
was like, you, they're gonna split with Green Bay. I
think I had them losing on their road. I think
(16:00):
I had him like losing to a Giants. I thought
the Commanders was a loss. So here's my thing is
they're a nine and eight football team and they're out
of the playoffs. And my question to you is, will
you deem that a success at nine and eight? If
Ben Johnson and Caleb cut the sacks in half. He
(16:24):
does make mistakes, he add libs, but they're a nine
and eight football team and Caleb looks like a top
twelve quarterback, maybe number twelve. Do you think it's a
successful season?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
One thousand percent. They just fired the entire coaching staff,
They drafted tenth overall, they have been losing for years straight,
nine and eight in that division. Even if you missed
the playoffs, which I would think the last couple of years,
you've had a decent chance in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
To last weekend determined that that.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Means you play important football the entire season. That is
one million percent a win.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, I don't think people in Chicago agree, but I
agree with you. I got to eight and nine and
I was like, wow, and I feel pretty good about it.
You won the games at home, you should win.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I would say this, eight and nine and nine and
eight might be the difference of a fumble bouncing your
way or bouncing in someone else's arms. So it really
might not be that big of a difference over the
course of a season, but that number there, it feels
pretty big when you say it out loud. I do
think going over five hundred. I also think eight and
nine with the seventeen games, it's kind of the old
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seven and nine. Like seven and nine. A lot of
people got fired seven and nine and eight and eight
was actually much more respectable. It's like, oh, the five
hundred they were solid football team, or seven and nine
felt like, ah, they kind of sucked, even though again
it might have been one tip ball that landed in
another guy's hand for of pick six. But I do
think going nine and eight is one hundred percent of success,
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where eight and nine I think people would be a
little just because the hype on Ben Johnson. I mean,
let's face it, he's he's considered immediately the next Shanahan, McVeigh,
Kevin O'Connell. Like he's he's very highly regarded by fans
and football circles. I mean, he's just impressive. I've been impressed.
He's not just some pushover. He's kind of a hard
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ass and he even toxsic. I've been hard on Caleb
and he hasn't liked it all. I was like, I
kind of respect that. You know he's been he's been
very I mean you're back there seeing as local press conferences.
He's he's pretty candid about like, it's not it's not
he's not running some it's pretty tight ship. I would
say he's got some Dan Campbell qualities, which I did
not expect from an offensive guy.
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Speaker 2 (19:56):
So the Live Tour is more global than the PGA Tour,
which I liked. I think golf's an individual sport as
somebody born in Australia and now live is global, so
it fits. But how did you view the PGA when
you were fourteen fifty? How did you view the PGA
or would you have been happy being Australia's you were second,
(20:20):
first or second best golfer? Like did you immediately at
eight years old look at American say that's where I'm
going to play?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Absolutely, I mean that was you know, growing up on
watching guys like Jason Day and Adam Scott and Tiger.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Of course that's where I wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
But that was because all the best players were playing
there and it was really the only place you could play. Yeah,
so absolutely I wanted to be in the US, play
on the PGA Tour and you know, be the best
golfer I could be, But like I mentioned, it was
the only option at that point.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Who was the first American golf star in an event
you played with? And what was the experience like? Were
you nervous? Was it like, oh, I've watched him on
TV for years. Go to your first event that you
played with us, You played with a star.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Jeez, I can't even remember. Jeez.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I think one of my first PGA Tour events was
maybe the Pebble Beach pro Ham. I can't remember who
I played with. You know, I knew Jason a fair
bit by then. He was probably you know, the Jason Day. Yeah,
Jason Day. He was probably the first guy that I
spent a fair bit of time around and went, Wow,
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this guy.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Is so much better than me. I've got so much
work today.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But I was I was probably only twenty one, twenty
two years old, and he was that kind of the
peak of his career. He was playing some amazing golf
when I come on tour. Yeah, but he was probably
the first guy that I really got kind of stuff
struck around. And then you know, as as time went on,
you play with different guys and you know you've grown
(22:11):
up your whole life watching them. Yeah, but Jason was
definitely the first guy I was like, holy shit, I'm
so bad at golf.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, I mean, I always tell my kids life is
about reaction, not action, So you obviously, you know you
have to kind of go home and not soul can
kind of figure it out here? Are there are there
courses for you? You know, as you travel around the world,
and I've asked lived players this before. I'm just now
(22:44):
becoming addicted to golf. Is there a country I know
it's tormenting. Is there is there a country that you
look at and think is underrated, that you look at
the courses and you look at the young players. Is
there a place in the globe that maybe is fairly
new to you and you think it has an incredibly
(23:05):
promising future in the sport?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I would say I would say Asia. You know, Asia
is a continent. I don't think there's one kind of
country that really stands out. You know, every golf course
that we've gone to in Asia is has been phenomenal,
Right I hear, Yeah, not only the design and stuff
like that, but just their practice facilities. You know, they're
(23:33):
they're so excited as well to have you there. It's
it's such a cool place. But I would say I
would say, for sure, in the next you know, ten
twenty years, that's the place i'd look to to where
I think the most good golf is going to come
out of You know, there's there's a fair View in
Australia as well South Africa.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We're going there next year. I'm looking forward to getting there.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
You know, there are places where good office have come
kind of regularly, but I think we'll see the biggest
implux in Asia for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'm going to give you a golfer and you give
me a sentence as if I've never seen him play.
I've never seen him play, and I want you to
describe their greatness John.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Willm oh, I mean, he's incredible.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
It feels like when you're playing against him, when you're
up near the lead, when you're in contention with him,
it feels like you have to do everything perfect to
beat him. That's drive the ball, chip the ball, you know,
approach everything. It feels like he doesn't let up, he
doesn't miss a shot. He's so consistent, you know, like
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out here he's had I think every start he's had
like a top ten, you know, which is which is
a crazy thing. People might not think that that's that's hard,
but it's hard. Would I would say, just incredibly consistent
persistent as well, like doesn't let up, and he's and
he's a fighter too, you know when when he's when
(25:08):
he's on his heels. You know, more often than not
he comes out on top.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
An older guy, but one of my favorite players ever,
Phil Mickelson. I've never seen him play. Describe Phil Mickelson.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
A crazy golfer, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I've played with Phil a lot, particularly the last you know,
five or six years. You know, I've played with him
when he strips the ball, hits everything perfect, does all
the right stuff. And I've played with him where he
hits it offline. He sees miraculous shots and gets up
and down and kind of keeps the momentum going.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
He's definitely a momentum guy.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Once he gets on a string of birdies, it seems
like he's not going to stop. But a completely different
golfer to John Rahm in in that. Yeah, he kind
of hits it everywhere and like gets like gets it done.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He's the great chef that spills a few things, but
he's still great.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Rory McElroy.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Rory is the most impressive driver of the golf all
I've ever seen. I don't think I'll ever see. I
don't think anyone could ever be better than him off
the tee again, just does all the right stuff. Hits
it in the right places, a very a very He
(26:46):
can be very dominant when he's when he's on, I
feel like he's he's very, very tough to be.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, bryceon de Shambo is he looks like a
football player and he's got kind of a crazy personality.
I didn't like him when he initially came on the tour.
I thought he was obnoxious, and then something happened and
two years later I you know, I was always a
Brooks kept Ga guy, and now I love them both.
And reportedly they've mended fences, which makes me happy because
(27:16):
I think they're really great. That's what I've heard. So
first of all, can you confirm that they now speak?
They're okay?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, they're okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
They're okay.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Cam's reporting that it's bryceon intimidating just because of a
sheer stature and size when you golf with him. What
is it like to golf with him?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, he can be intimidating. Again, he can get the
driving going as well.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
For me, I would say, on a kind of average
kind of length, guy, I don't I don't hit the
ball too short, I don't hit it too far. He
can just overpower golf courses like no one else can,
and it can be quite intimidating.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I don't think there's a golf course he can play
that necessarily I can't play, if that makes sense. Sure,
but yeah, he can get that driver going. It's pretty crazy,
you know. Sometimes he's, you know, seventy eighty ninety yardds
ahead of you, and it's pretty demoralizing.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
The volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Looking at this cowboy thing we were talking about on
the show. So John Middlkoff is going to be on
FS one all week. And one of the rants I
did today was about Mike McCarthy. I think the Cowboys
are going to shit the bed week one. I think
it's going to be a disastrous season. I don't like
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their defensive personnel. They've got two or three things that
get in the way of winning. One, their division's gotten better. Two,
their offensive line is really in flux, and they don't
have elite running backs to begin with, so it's going
to be very Dak Prescott dependent, which is not good.
I mean, he's not the kind of quarterback that it
can carry a franchise. He needs help. No run game,
(00:55):
O line work in progress. And the defense was terrible
last year. But if you go back and look at
Mike McCarthy, and this happens all the time. It's a
big brand, and you run people out of town. I mean,
the Lakers have run through a lot of coaches, and
a lot of those coaches have gotten good gigs. But
Mike McCarthy went twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve
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and five, and then Dak got hurt. He won more
games that he lost. With Cooper Rush, they had the
second best offense in the league behind Josh Allen and
the Bills in his tenure in Dallas. And I think
if if the Cowboys are awful, and I think they
will be this year, I think Mike McCarthy is going
to go from the Packers to the Cowboys. I think
he's going to get another job in an offensive league?
(01:38):
Am I not saying that?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well? Why do you think he wasn't a bigger candidate
this offseason? Because I thought, you know, those three straight
years of twelve wins, what he did last year, I
mean most an average to below average coach last year
with Dak being injured, they end up winning two or
three games, but they went seven and ten, and Cooper
Rush was good. There's a branding issue with Mike, right,
kind of bigger, kind of goofy guy. When he got
(02:02):
fired from the Packers, it felt like his relationship with
Aaron had deteriorated. Aaron's kind of pivoted and is like
a supporter of him. Now, sometimes a year away with
coaches will do him well. You could argue, I mean,
the Giants are gonna match up really well against the Cowboys,
right because they have a really good defensive line and
at that offensive.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, they have a dominant defense. They have second best
d lines arguably.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
In the su Yeah, I mean it could. It's really
I thought it was a little premature a couple of
years ago, but the Al Davis comps, I mean, the
Al Davis thing, it got ugly because he started hiring
coaches that had no business being the head coach. And
that that's what Brian Schottenneimer feels like right now and
what's going on there. I mean, if if they're an
injury or two away from being a disaster, and unlike
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Mike McCarthy that knows what he's doing, who's to say
that they couldn't just unwrap? I mean, what if Dak
rolled an ankle all of a sudden, You're like, oh
my god, here we go, and Brian's acting tough. Here's
the other thing the play like with Al Davis, the
players know that Jerry's in charge, so it was like,
why am I gonna Why am I gonna listen to Brian?
And that Mike Lombardi talked about this forever. Once everyone realized,
(03:06):
like the coach doesn't matter here. Just go to Al,
you know, like you do that. You know how he's
the boss. You know, mcveigh's the boss or Kyle's the boss.
Obviously they don't sign the checks, but the owners to
deal with. Even Jimmy Haslam was like Miles Garrett was like,
I want to trade. He's like, deal with the GM.
Talk to him. He's in charge of football. That is
not the way it works with the Cowboys. And when
you get one thing, Mike had a Peltz on the
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wall right, had coached Aaron Rodgers, had won a Super Bowl.
He're like Brian Shot and Eyber Guy. Some of these
young coaches had never heard of his dad. So it's
not like he's this famous coach's dad. I mean he
is to me and you. But if you're twenty two
years old, you don't remember Marty Schottenheimer coaching the Browns, right,
or coaching the Chargers, and so some of his credibility
with that name doesn't resonate like it does for an
(03:51):
older person or even Jerry who I've heard Jerry say
part of the reason he loved I think he thought,
maybe I'm getting a Kyle Shanahan or a McVeigh, you know,
from a football family. I think that's what he's thinking.
It's like, Jerry, Yeah, it ain't quite the same.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, I think I was talking to Matt Mosley on
one of my pods and he said, like, Jerry doesn't
respect coaches, and there's a very clear line. He hires
coaches who will be indebted to him. I like Jason Garrett,
didn't think he was great, thought he was good. Jason
Garrett would not have gotten another head coaching job. Mike
McCarthy was on the beach. Chan Jan Gaily was not
(04:25):
a hot prospect. Nobody was even offering a top oc
job to Brian Schottenheimer. The coaches Jerry doesn't respect the
coaching position, which is really weird considering Jerry usually has
a pretty good sense of valuations of properties. He's a
(04:46):
very very good businessman, and I think Jerry overvalues his
football IQ and feels like, by and large, we could
win twelve games with Mike McCarthy. I can win, I
can win ten to eleven games if Dak comes back healthy.
(05:06):
It's just remarkable to me that in the most important
sport for coaching, football, where the league has gotten much
more sophisticated and intelligent with its offensive coaching. Jerry's going
the other way, which is coaches don't matter. It's really
remarkable to me everybody. Now, Maybe it's this he looks
(05:30):
at Nick Siriani and thinks, I they won a super
Bowl with Nick Siriani. Maybe he looks in his own
division and says that, I mean, I mean, Sarahanni to
me is a bit of an outlier where I understand
Dan Campbell, who I wasn't initially a fan of. I
don't really get Sarianni still, but it works.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He's got Howie Roseman. I mean, I mean, he's got
a guy that's gonna be probably a first bout All
Famer one day as a general manager. I think Jerry
is just opportunity. Sean Payton worked for him, Dan Campbell
played for him. You could argue a couple of years
ago Dan Quinn, who was this rising star. If you're
gonna get rid of Mike McCarthy, just fire him then
and hire Dan Quinn. I think a mistake he made
(06:13):
is two years ago when Mike lost to the Packers
and everyone freaked out and he got his ass kicked.
He'd let him coach on that year where his contract
ran out. He probably should have just given Mike like
a three year contract extension after that year. Wouldn't have
had to be crazy money, but Jerry prideful wasn't gonna
do that after they lost, and now he's in a
position where Brian Shottenneimers is head coach. I'm not as
(06:34):
down on the on the Cowboys roster of being some
joke like two to three win team, but the way
they're built, I mean they are an injury to a way,
and if the coach is over his head, this is
a sport where it's like it can get ugly, and
it can get ugly fast. And if Dak were to
get injured, and he has a history, now, who's to
say they can't end up like a four win team
(06:54):
and be last place in that division. If the Giants
just the quarterback plays stabilized a little bit and their
defensive solid, we know, Washington, the Eagles are good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, I think you nailed it. I think the New
York Giants are Say what you want about the Giants.
That defensive line. Now again, Philadelphia's O line is good
enough to keep it at bay. I think the Giants
D line could overwhelm the Cowboys. I think Abdul Carter
Foboto on the other side, Dexter Lawrence. I'm trying to
(07:23):
think of defensive lines I like more than the New
York Giants. There's not a lot of them. There are
some individual players that are great. I think the Rams
defensive line is really really good in getting better. Philadelphia is, obviously,
But you know, there's some teams in this league, and
the Giants are one of those teams. I actually think
(07:43):
they're a quarterback away. I think if you gave them
the right quarterback, you'd look up in the Giants. They
wouldn't be flashy. If Malik Neighbors could stay healthy, they
could actually win eleven games. That's why you know Dable.
I think it works a little bit with his franchise
because he is good at taking average B quarterbacks and
making them a half great higher. But I don't know.
(08:06):
I just i history repeats itself, and I think we're
going into a really dark cowboy stage. I just heard
a story yesterday from a very good network source that
there is a lot of momentum to have like a
twenty four or twenty eighteen playoff, and my loyalty has
always been to more big games, and you just can't
(08:30):
get me worked up. I Auburn Alabama. It's great, but
it's regional and the highest rated game last year. I
think it was Texas Georgia. That's not a rivalry. It
wasn't Texas Oklahoma. So I don't. I'm not when I
heard everybody say, well, you're going to kill the rivalries. Listen,
if you're a Michigan fan in Ohio State, did that
(08:51):
game feel smaller last year to you? When Michigan upstate
Ohio State? It didn't feel smaller to me, you know. So,
I mean the reality is when the Ms play the Niners,
it's intense. They could play three times a year. Years ago,
when the Steelers and Ravens and Ray Lewis was around
and so was Big Ben. They play one year three times.
(09:12):
The third game felt bigger than the first two because
it was a playoff game. So there's just certain things
in twenty twenty five. I can't get worked up over
somebody having pot in their car, same sex marriage, NCAA
(09:32):
coming down on payments to players, or any kind of scandal.
Like we've just graduated to just understanding the world we
live in I said it today. Unless you're like a
cop from Reno nine to one to one, you got
a roach in your car. Nobody cares. That mattered in
the seventies, and I just if you can buy high
school players. I don't give two shits about somebody with
(09:55):
an iPhone in the crowd. I don't care if you
have forty of them. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I do. I think the twenty four twenty eight team
college football playoff, that's where I might get a little
worked up. You know, we saw the twelve team that
first round was a blowout. You know, you know there
have been arguments about sixteen twenty four again more. I
love football as much as the next guy, but that
does that feel a little extreme, And we get a
lot of average to below average teams in the dance
(10:21):
in that situation, it's been your argument. So I think
for March Madness forever, we always scream over first in
last out or whatever. Those teams never matter, right, who
are your one and two seeds? They usually determine the tournament.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So I think you'd have to make it half the
size of March Madness because football is a sport of attrition.
So the little guy. It has no chance in a
twenty eight team tournament to ever win like a third
straight game against a bigger, deeper roster, I think. But
I think I've said I think the perfect number is
about sixteen. I wouldn't be bothered by twenty. I think
(10:55):
if you get to twenty eight, you'd have to give
the top like four seeds. You know, I don't want
I don't want Georgia playing Liberty. I'm just not interested
in that at all.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, Notre Dame played Indiana and that was kind
of embarrassing for the Hoosiers.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I thought it was very I mean, Boise State, Penn
State had a guy drafted in the top ten at
running back and he had no chance. You know why
because the offensive lineman had no chance to block the
Penn State guys. And that's always going to be the
big problem you get a twenty eighteen playoff. But here's
the other thing. It's like, it's one thing at the
fourth or fifteen from the Big ten and the SEC
(11:32):
get in. But when you're taking the third and fourth
team from the Big twelve and the ACC, that's when
it could get really ugly. And that's we don't need
to see those teams play.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I get it's all about television ratings and football. I
was thinking today watching Sunday Night Football with Kayleb Williams,
what do you think the first thirty minutes of that
football game did? I mean, it just had to blow
everything out of the water on Sunday Night on Fox. Right,
So the advantage I never argue against, like more of
these games. Completely understand or argue against the people that
(12:03):
want more football in terms of working at the networks
who are part of the revenue generation, because it's only
going to bring in more eyeballs. It's like, listen, I
hate the double header on Monday Night. I think it's
I think a huge part of playing Monday night football
or Sunday night football is getting the solo game. But
their argument is, you put the double header. It accumulates
(12:23):
millions upon millions of more people watching football, and that's
the business Roger an, ESPN or Fox or whoever's in.
But sometimes the product does get worse when I get
a double header on Monday night. I don't know who's
asking for it. Besides, we're just gonna get more people.
We can sell more ads and make more money.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, I want to play a game. I'm going to
go through the Bear schedule because I did this flying
back Boston to LA yesterday and I was surprised at
what I landed at. Okay, I'm going to give you
the game, just your kind of gut instinct winner lose
(13:02):
for the Bears. Minnesota Vikings come to Chicago on September eighth,
Brian Floores against Caleb Williams. Win or a loss. Win, Okay,
you have a win. Bears then go to Detroit in
one of the louder environments against Dan Campbell and two
(13:22):
new coordinators.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Loss.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay, they get a host of Dallas Cowboys and Brian
Schottenneimer win. I think that's one of my favorite wins.
Then they go on the road to face Pete Carroll, Aston,
Jenny Brockbauers and the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's a tough game, going to be loud, Seattle is
going to have a fast start. Raiders, Oh, peaky out
nevermind win win.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, so you have a win win. I think it's
I think it's a really good game. Bears then go
to the commanders.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Side of the crime last year, right the Hail Mary.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's a late NBC level game. It's a five to
fifteen start, so that's a big Washington at home late game.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'll go l.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's what I did. Okay, Sat scot to Chicago win
out a win. Bears at the Ravens lost. Yes, Bears
at the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Win. I think the Bengals could just be not as
good as people think.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay, Giants at the Bears.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's one of those sneaky, tough matchups where I think
most fans would give the Bears a w. I could
see an upset city. They're gonna get upset wherever they
might start feeling themselves, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, you give them an l Okay, this is getting interesting.
Now the Bears are at the Vikings l Okay. Steelers
at the Bears.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Win for the Bears.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, Bears at the Eagles, probably a loss. Yes, Bears
at the Packers.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
They've beat them once in like thirty years. Right, Yeah,
I'm going l loss.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Okay, Now get near the end and we'll see what
this means. Brown's at the Bears. That's probably a w.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Packers at Chicago.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now I'll go split here.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Win. Bears at Niners.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Win for the Niners. Lost for the Bears.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And finally Lions at the Bears.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Win.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, what do you think their record is? What have
you predicted nine and eight or ten and seven, nine
and eight? I got to eight and nine, and so
I went through it last night and I said, instead
of predicting, I'm going to go every win. And I
was like, you, they're gonna split with Green Bay. I
think I had them losing on their road. I think
(16:00):
I had him like losing to a Giants. I thought
the Commanders was a loss. So here's my thing is
they're a nine and eight football team and they're out
of the playoffs. And my question to you is, will
you deem that a success at nine and eight? If
Ben Johnson and Caleb cut the sacks in half. He
(16:24):
does make mistakes, he add libs, but they're a nine
and eight football team and Caleb looks like a top
twelve quarterback, maybe number twelve. Do you think it's a
successful season?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
One thousand percent. They just fired the entire coaching staff,
They drafted tenth overall, they have been losing for years straight,
nine and eight in that division. Even if you missed
the playoffs, which I would think the last couple of years,
you've had a decent chance in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
To last weekend determined that that.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Means you play important football the entire season. That is
one million percent a win.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, I don't think people in Chicago agree, but I
agree with you. I got to eight and nine and
I was like, wow, and I feel pretty good about it.
You won the games at home, you should win.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I would say this, eight and nine and nine and
eight might be the difference of a fumble bouncing your
way or bouncing in someone else's arms. So it really
might not be that big of a difference over the
course of a season, but that number there, it feels
pretty big when you say it out loud. I do
think going over five hundred. I also think eight and
nine with the seventeen games, it's kind of the old
(17:34):
seven and nine. Like seven and nine. A lot of
people got fired seven and nine and eight and eight
was actually much more respectable. It's like, oh, the five
hundred they were solid football team, or seven and nine
felt like, ah, they kind of sucked, even though again
it might have been one tip ball that landed in
another guy's hand for of pick six. But I do
think going nine and eight is one hundred percent of success,
(17:55):
where eight and nine I think people would be a
little just because the hype on Ben Johnson. I mean,
let's face it, he's he's considered immediately the next Shanahan, McVeigh,
Kevin O'Connell. Like he's he's very highly regarded by fans
and football circles. I mean, he's just impressive. I've been impressed.
He's not just some pushover. He's kind of a hard
(18:16):
ass and he even toxsic. I've been hard on Caleb
and he hasn't liked it all. I was like, I
kind of respect that. You know he's been he's been
very I mean you're back there seeing as local press conferences.
He's he's pretty candid about like, it's not it's not
he's not running some it's pretty tight ship. I would
say he's got some Dan Campbell qualities, which I did
not expect from an offensive guy.
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Speaker 2 (19:56):
So the Live Tour is more global than the PGA Tour,
which I liked. I think golf's an individual sport as
somebody born in Australia and now live is global, so
it fits. But how did you view the PGA when
you were fourteen fifty? How did you view the PGA
or would you have been happy being Australia's you were second,
(20:20):
first or second best golfer? Like did you immediately at
eight years old look at American say that's where I'm
going to play?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Absolutely, I mean that was you know, growing up on
watching guys like Jason Day and Adam Scott and Tiger.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Of course that's where I wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
But that was because all the best players were playing
there and it was really the only place you could play. Yeah,
so absolutely I wanted to be in the US, play
on the PGA Tour and you know, be the best
golfer I could be, But like I mentioned, it was
the only option at that point.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Who was the first American golf star in an event
you played with? And what was the experience like? Were
you nervous? Was it like, oh, I've watched him on
TV for years. Go to your first event that you
played with us, You played with a star.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Jeez, I can't even remember. Jeez.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I think one of my first PGA Tour events was
maybe the Pebble Beach pro Ham. I can't remember who
I played with. You know, I knew Jason a fair
bit by then. He was probably you know, the Jason Day. Yeah,
Jason Day. He was probably the first guy that I
spent a fair bit of time around and went, Wow,
(21:45):
this guy.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Is so much better than me. I've got so much
work today.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But I was I was probably only twenty one, twenty
two years old, and he was that kind of the
peak of his career. He was playing some amazing golf
when I come on tour. Yeah, but he was probably
the first guy that I really got kind of stuff
struck around. And then you know, as as time went on,
you play with different guys and you know you've grown
(22:11):
up your whole life watching them. Yeah, but Jason was
definitely the first guy I was like, holy shit, I'm
so bad at golf.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, I mean, I always tell my kids life is
about reaction, not action, So you obviously, you know you
have to kind of go home and not soul can
kind of figure it out here? Are there are there
courses for you? You know, as you travel around the world,
and I've asked lived players this before. I'm just now
(22:44):
becoming addicted to golf. Is there a country I know
it's tormenting. Is there is there a country that you
look at and think is underrated, that you look at
the courses and you look at the young players. Is
there a place in the globe that maybe is fairly
new to you and you think it has an incredibly
(23:05):
promising future in the sport?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I would say I would say Asia. You know, Asia
is a continent. I don't think there's one kind of
country that really stands out. You know, every golf course
that we've gone to in Asia is has been phenomenal,
Right I hear, Yeah, not only the design and stuff
like that, but just their practice facilities. You know, they're
(23:33):
they're so excited as well to have you there. It's
it's such a cool place. But I would say I
would say, for sure, in the next you know, ten
twenty years, that's the place i'd look to to where
I think the most good golf is going to come
out of You know, there's there's a fair View in
Australia as well South Africa.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We're going there next year. I'm looking forward to getting there.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
You know, there are places where good office have come
kind of regularly, but I think we'll see the biggest
implux in Asia for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'm going to give you a golfer and you give
me a sentence as if I've never seen him play.
I've never seen him play, and I want you to
describe their greatness John.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Willm oh, I mean, he's incredible.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
It feels like when you're playing against him, when you're
up near the lead, when you're in contention with him,
it feels like you have to do everything perfect to
beat him. That's drive the ball, chip the ball, you know,
approach everything. It feels like he doesn't let up, he
doesn't miss a shot. He's so consistent, you know, like
(24:47):
out here he's had I think every start he's had
like a top ten, you know, which is which is
a crazy thing. People might not think that that's that's hard,
but it's hard. Would I would say, just incredibly consistent
persistent as well, like doesn't let up, and he's and
he's a fighter too, you know when when he's when
(25:08):
he's on his heels. You know, more often than not
he comes out on top.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
An older guy, but one of my favorite players ever,
Phil Mickelson. I've never seen him play. Describe Phil Mickelson.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
A crazy golfer, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I've played with Phil a lot, particularly the last you know,
five or six years. You know, I've played with him
when he strips the ball, hits everything perfect, does all
the right stuff. And I've played with him where he
hits it offline. He sees miraculous shots and gets up
and down and kind of keeps the momentum going.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
He's definitely a momentum guy.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Once he gets on a string of birdies, it seems
like he's not going to stop. But a completely different
golfer to John Rahm in in that. Yeah, he kind
of hits it everywhere and like gets like gets it done.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He's the great chef that spills a few things, but
he's still great.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Rory McElroy.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Rory is the most impressive driver of the golf all
I've ever seen. I don't think I'll ever see. I
don't think anyone could ever be better than him off
the tee again, just does all the right stuff. Hits
it in the right places, a very a very He
(26:46):
can be very dominant when he's when he's on, I
feel like he's he's very, very tough to be.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, bryceon de Shambo is he looks like a
football player and he's got kind of a crazy personality.
I didn't like him when he initially came on the tour.
I thought he was obnoxious, and then something happened and
two years later I you know, I was always a
Brooks kept Ga guy, and now I love them both.
And reportedly they've mended fences, which makes me happy because
(27:16):
I think they're really great. That's what I've heard. So
first of all, can you confirm that they now speak?
They're okay?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, they're okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
They're okay.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Cam's reporting that it's bryceon intimidating just because of a
sheer stature and size when you golf with him. What
is it like to golf with him?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, he can be intimidating. Again, he can get the
driving going as well.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
For me, I would say, on a kind of average
kind of length, guy, I don't I don't hit the
ball too short, I don't hit it too far. He
can just overpower golf courses like no one else can,
and it can be quite intimidating.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I don't think there's a golf course he can play
that necessarily I can't play, if that makes sense. Sure,
but yeah, he can get that driver going. It's pretty crazy,
you know. Sometimes he's, you know, seventy eighty ninety yardds
ahead of you, and it's pretty demoralizing.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
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