Colin’s top takes of the week.
He begins with the Jags beating the Chiefs on MNF and despite their 2-3 record, argues that the Chiefs offense is improving and they’re still one of the best teams in the league (3:00).
Then, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down a wild, high-scoring game between Baker Mayfield and the Bucs & Sam Darnold’s Seahawks (9:00) and debate whether Daniel Jones deserves to be in the MVP discussion after the Colts 4-1 start (27:00).
Finally, Colin is joined by 'First Things First' co-host Danny Parkins to discuss whether Bill Belichick will survive his first season at UNC (34:00), whether Jared Goff is on track to make the Hall of Fame (51:00), and why Colin likes using Waymo far more than Uber (56:00).
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beat Kansas City thirty one to twenty eight, but if
you look at the final stats, Kansas City had four
hundred and sixty five yards, three hundred and seven yards
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passing one time of possession twenty five to seventeen first downs.
You know, Mahomes had a pick six and did not
see the guy. He threw a ball that he didn't
see the defender, So I give him a little bit
of a pass on that. I don't know what I
think Kansas City's really good. I don't think right now
they're as consistent as Detroit, but they have a better defense.
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I don't think they have the consistent pass rush or
pass protection of Denver. They don't have the roster of Philly,
and they don't have the late game magic of Tampa.
I think Kansas City, outside of those teams, is the
fourth or fifth best team in the NFL. If they
played Green Bay tomorrow, green Bay's young, I wouldn't trust them.
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I'd take Kansas City Rams again. Rams got out played
by the Colts. They were lucky to win that game
and lost to the Niners. I don't know what to
do with the Jags. I don't think the Jags are
better than Kansas City. I don't think if they played again,
Mahomes would have a pick six, and it was in Jacksonville.
Which is not worth much, but it was worth something.
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I really liked Kansas City tonight. I think, you know,
keep your eye on Burchard Smith. He played that Miami Hurricanes.
I think he was a seventh round pick for them.
Between Kelsey Worthy, Hollywood Brown, and Burshard. Smith is emerging
as a real player for them. When Rashid Rice comes back,
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Kansas City's going to have a really good receiving core.
They passed for over three hundred yards tonight. I thought
Mahomes was magical. Twenty eight to thirty seven, three hundred
and seven yards, six rushing attempts, ten yards per rush.
I thought he was unbelievable. He had a bad pick six,
and you know he has to be their leading rusher.
It's not ideal. I don't think they're a super Bowl team,
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but you know, again, there's not a great team in
this league right now. I'm doing the Herd hierarchy tomorrow.
I don't know what the hell to do with Jacksonville.
I don't know what to do with Seattle. I can't
put Seattle in and I think they're good. You know,
I got the Colts at ten, I got Buffalo at
eight or nine. I'm not sure what to do with Buffalo.
I don't trust their defense. I don't have New England
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in it, and they just beat Buffalo. I don't do standings.
Jacksonville's four and one, Kansas City is two and three.
I think Kansas City's better, I do. I think they're
the better team, and I think when they get Rashid Rice,
they'll take another jump up. I think Kansas City is
an old team. They're going to be built for October, November,
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and December. It's just crazy right now. There's no great teams.
There's great coaches, there's great quarterbacks, there's great units. I
think the best unit in the league is the running
back room for the Lions and the offensive line for
the Lions. Offensively, Detroit is just a freaking handful.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They are just blowing people out, and you have to now.
One of the things I've learned over the last couple
of years, as they've extended the schedule the seventeen games,
I think one of the things we have to all
come to terms with is you just can't count week one.
I mean, the Raiders beat the Patriots in Week one,
the Lions got smoked by Green Bay. It's just an
extension of preseason because nobody plays starters in the preseason,
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so Week one is really teams like it's an extension
of the preseason. You can't. I mean, I had a winning,
blazing five. I don't know how I lucked into that.
But week two to now, I mean there's some obvious
I just think the season now is so long that
you're just gonna have bad home games. Buffalo last night,
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just the fumbles early. I think Buffalo is better than
New England. I think they played them five times. We
beat them four to five times, and it beat them
last night at home. So you know, I watched this
game and it looked, you know, I thought it would
be a little lower scoring. I thought it was wildly entertaining.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Trevor Lawrence. I was the one of the first Trevor
Lawrence fanboys. I saw him in high school. I went
to a camp in San Diego and he was down
there with all that wild hair. And I came back
on the air and I said, man, I just saw
one of the best high school quarterbacks I've ever seen.
He was insane, but he is man fumbles, fumble at
the goal line, bad interception, you know, the pick six
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Malmes did not see the defender. You know, the timing
and the spot of that interception by Trevor Lawrence felt
like it was worse and he's just worth a couple
of turnovers. It feels like in big spots. But I
will say is Jacksonville's problem isn't talent, it's sort of belief.
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I mean, for them to travel cross country and beat
San Francisco, that's impressive. They had a really good special
team's day, so they're finding kind of different ways to win.
Kansas City. Give Trevor Lawrence credit though in that final drive,
holy Crow that he have a couple of darts and
Kansas City was bringing heat and spags was bringing like
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safety blitz and he escaped and he almost fell down
on that winning touchdown. It was not artistic, but that
throw to Michael Thomas up the right sideline, that is
as good a throw as Trevor Lawrence has made as
a professional quarterback. That was a perfect throw. That was
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all time stuff. That's Eli Manning to Mario Manningham in
the Super Bowl when he fits it in the bread basket.
That throw by Trevor Lawrence will go down as one
of his great throws as a pro to beat Kansas City.
So you know, I know the records say that the
Jags are a better team. I'm not sure they are.
You know, I don't think New England's better than Buffalo.
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I just thought it was a great night for them
in a great win. I don't know what I'm gonna
do with a hurt hierarchy. I think Detroit's the best
team in the league right now, but there's an argument
Tampa's second. I thought Tampa beating Seattle in Seattle was
so impressed. Well, because games are played on Mondays a
couple of them and Thursdays, you don't always get the
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greatest Sunday slate. But some of the games today were fantastic.
Tampa Bay thirty eight, walk off field goal to win
it over Seattle thirty five. It looked like young Brady
and Peyton Manning. I don't remember a game like that.
Darnold's always been a little more athletic than Baker had
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a couple of all timers. Baker just kept They couldn't
stop him. You know, Seattle's defense has really shut down
a lot of good offenses in the last couple of years,
especially at the end of last year. Baker had no
problem with it. Ibuka had no problem with it. I
guess my takeaway from this game was if these two
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met in the NFC Championship, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean,
it's an offensive league. I would not be shocked. I
don't think tonight was a mirage. I think those are
good quarterbacks and really good teams full of excellent young players.
And by the way, John John Middlikoff two of the
best gms. These rosters have dudes everywhere.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, at one point in time,
Colin it was twenty one to twenty one. They were
thirty nine of forty five for four hundred and fifty
yards and three touchdowns like this is. But it just
kept going on. I mean, they made play after play
outside the construct of the play, right, both of them
scrambling around. We know, Darnold, I mean, Baker now is
a mobile, you know, behind the line of scrimmage keeping.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
That was as entertaining of a game watching these two
guys that have clearly resurrected their career now for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean that those guys I know, Sam, you know
the lasting image will be a him throwing the interception.
But that was on Todd Bowles called an incredible blitz.
You saw in the slow motion replay. It wasn't a
bad pass. He got hit and the ball went in
the wrong direction. Both those guys could miss. They felt like,
you know Steph Curry when every time he shot, you
just think the ball is going to hit nothing but
net with both quarterbacks, Abuka, I mean that draft pick.
(09:07):
One thing I was taught a long time ago is
at the time they drafted him, you're like, well, they
got Mike Evans and Chris Godwin's coming back, they got hot,
and they got multiple running backs. Why do they need
a weapon? Because a position of strength can become a
position of weakness with an injury or two. Look at
the Chargers best offensive line in the league. Now you're
looking like, who are these guys playing tackle for him?
Injuries happen. I mean, this guy, I don't want to
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say saving their season, but you know, Godwin's been out
and then he comes back, and then Evans gets hurt
and this guy. Find me a better rookie right now
in the NFL than the Mecca he's been Cooley.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Remember a couple of years ago, of course you do.
Atlanta drafted Robinson, Jon Robinson, the running back, and I
had a GM say he's a Danny and Tomlinson. There's
no flaw, good teammate, good blocker, everything. Ibuka because he
wasn't like a four to three guy doesn't go in
the top you know, seven or eight. But I had
an executive in the league say he's a flawless receiver, routes, teammate, toughness,
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catch hands, He's like, there's just no flaw. But he'll
drop because he's not huge, and he's not you know,
he doesn't have a unicorn body type, and he's not
a complete burner. He is just a great football player.
I mean, he is open, he doesn't drop it, he
runs great. He runs ten year veteran routes. And Seattle's
secondary is good, Scale's defense is good, and they torched
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it today.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I would say the same thing about JSN also happened
to be an Ohio State guy. I mean, I look
at the numbers right now. They combined for fifteen catches,
almost three hundred yards and multiple touchdowns. But both those
guys are good examples right. Neither of them would go
in the top ten because they're not quite big enough.
They're more slot receivers. Like no, they can do everything.
They can play inside, they can play outside.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know what they do.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
They get open every single play. Elite players, elite character
guys like you said, elite teammates, and sometimes a wide receiver. Right,
and you've been on this for decades, the little diva ish.
These guys are rare breeds. I mean, these guys are
wired like quarterbacks or safeties or John.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I think a lot of it John is because when
you are as big as DK Metcalf, he was that
big in the seventh grade, he was the biggest, strongest
kid and everybody was in. All of them were a
Jackson Smith and Jigbit make a boka. They weren't the
biggest kids, they weren't the fastest kids. They got there
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because they had a lot of talent and they worked
their ass off to become great receivers. And I think
something Mike Evans is the rare big, strong guy, but
super humble, hard working Keenan Allen. But Keenan's not a
burner either. A lot of times, the Antonio Browns, the
DK Metcalf, the guys that just are have been gifted.
The fastest kid in every class, Tyreek Hill with probably
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the fastest kid in the fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade,
and you know things come easy for you. So a
lot of these great receivers, like Larry Fitzgerald, you can
just see the world ethic, you know, like Puka Nakua,
fifth round, Guy amor On Saint Brown. Look at the
best receivers right now in the league, Hookah amor On
Saint Brown, these two rookies. It's a lot of guys
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that are talented, but there you'd view them as classic overachievers.
None of them are burners. None of them outside of
Mike Evans, you know, don't walk into a room and
inspire awe. They're just dudes who got some genetic gifts,
work super hard and it's just you know, it's just
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like you go find a great attorney. He had smart parents,
you know, he didn't have dummies as parents. But the
truth is he put the effort in. Because there's a
million attorneys, right you got to fight through it. So
I just watched JSN and Abuka and I just look
at to me, you really have to be careful when
drafting wide receivers. I mean, I saw another running back
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drop the ball at the goal line today Arizona Tennessee.
Like you watch Arizona Tennessee today. There's talent on the field,
but just not just airs and fumbles. And Kyler Murray
at one point left the game, I'm not even sure
he got hit like Moods and I just watched Tampa
and I watched Seattle, and I see great gms and
a lot of good character guys and a lot of
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tough guys and a lot of redemption stories. That was
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I also think if you're a defensive coach out there,
like an assistant or a coordinator, it shows you. Obviously,
these offensive coordinators have taken over the league, and rightfully so.
The quarterback's really important. But Todd Bowles is an old
school like a safety from the eighties, right who has
become you know, he was Bruce Arians right hand man
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for a long time. He got some experience with the Jets.
Like he's a really good coach, and he's an excellent
defensive coordinator. I've been saying for years, Mike McDonald is
basically Kyle or Sean. He just happens to call defense.
If he was an offensive coordinator, we would speak about
him no differently than we do Kevin O'Connell. But you're
a defensive guy, and you saw today those guys have
empowered their quarterback. I mean, Todd's probably one of the
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great blitz callers in league history. You know, Spags has
turned into one Jim Johnson forever. It's a skill and
that call that won them the game because that was
a game and even for a split second when they
had tied the game, I went, Todd's going to allow
them to go for two, when it turned out it
was just Baker holding it up hoping they would give
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I think Todd gold. You know, the field goal kicker on.
But that's another thing. I mean in a day and age,
when these field goals are kind of getting blocked. Their
field goal kicker in Tampa, I don't know if the
guy's missed. I mean, he's a game winner after game
winner pretty nails. Also when the guy hit the ground
on essentially the game winning run, probably could have got
a couple more yards.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But you talk about coaching.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Clearly told him in the huddle, if you break this,
it's an outbreaking run if you get near the sideline,
whether it's a first down or not, get to the
ground right. We have seen in college and the pro
sometimes guys like they have a you know, brain fart,
they go out about they save the team a time out.
So it's just just a high level operation. I'm with
you that game. I think Seattle's going nowhere. I mean,
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the forty nine ers are four and one, but half
their teams on injured reserve.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Tampa.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean it's Tampa forty nine er game next week.
You know, Tampa now has to fly. I mean, what
time are they going to get out of their seven
o'clock Pacific standard time. They won't get home till the
middle of the night. The forty nine ers have this
long break, they're missing a ton of players. That's that's
a huge win for them, though, I mean, that's a
that's a massive go on the road to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And forty one.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Todd Bowles struggled with the Jets. Darnold disaster with the Jets,
Davante Adams disaster with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers much better
version of Aaron Rodgers. It's a cesspool, and we'll get
into the Jets lost today, which may have been like
rich co tight level bad think about people aren't only
leaving the Jets and winning, they're flourishing, they lead their division,
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they're MVP candidates. That is a bad organization. I remember
when Todd Bowles was with the Jets, you know, and
people would always rip him. He was a little like
Carl Durell UCLA. The first year he didn't even know.
He didn't have much of a persona on the sideline.
He got lost within the sideline. You couldn't find him.
But Todd was always so smart and so thoughtful, and
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he was just one of those guys like he didn't
want you know, he was the opposite of Rex Ryan,
like he didn't want any attention. But over the course
of your life, if you do good work and you
just keep your head down, a lot of people get fired.
It doesn't mean anything. You'll be rewarded. Todd Bowles was
too good not to succeed in this league.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Toty with Sam and look at you know, I think
you brought up the two gms. You know, Mike's going
to have a long career. Came from the Ravens. But Todd,
imagine if you would have got a second opportunity with
the Carolina Panthers or some of these franchises. He got
Jason light who anyone in the league will tell you
is easily one of the best champs. Just a high level,
humble guy who's seen it all, worked for everyone that
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mattered in the league over the last twenty years. And
their team, like, they have had so many injuries, and
you watched the play, I mean offensively, they're missing their
starting running back and their Hall of Fame wide receiver.
How many points did they just I mean they scored
thirty eight points. That's on the road against Seattle.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Wow, what in Seattle is a Sam Donald fumble and
a Sam Donald pick? And both times he like either
bumped into a teammate or had somebody bump into him
or Seattle could be an undefeated team. So this game
is Seattle's a really good team to the second youngest
offense in the league. So if you're a Seahawks fan,
you got some good years ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's also I don't know, I mean, I wouldn't worry
about drafting a quarterback if I'm Seattle. I think they
found I mean, Donald's still young, He's still totally when
he was drafted by the Jets, he was twenty one.
I think he's twenty seven or twenty eight. Now you
have four more five more peak years.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah to me, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about Collin.
You look around the landscape of college football doesn't look
like a lot of Joe Burrow's coming into the league here.
I would say this, though, Sometimes there's a win win
fit matters. Like I'm way better off as a podcaster
than I was local radio, and we had ties to
the team. It's not Kubiak. Like, they hire Kubiak and
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they get rid of Ryan Grubb. Well Tys Simpson and
Alabama are rolling right, and Ryan Grubb much better fit
for college and they get Kubiak, who is more of
a run heavy great for Sam. And it's just worked
out for both parties, right. Kubiak last year fired as well.
Sometimes in football you just get with the right person.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Sam.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Now look at Sam. Now we talk about the Jets
for three straight years. Kyle, Kyle embracism, prety embracism changes
the way we talk about him. Then he gets his
opportunity with Kevin. Now he's in Seattle. I mean, just
flourishing same thing with Baker Mayfield. He goes to Tampa,
gets around Jason Light, gets around to Mike Evans, and
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just a more low key environment.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I've been there.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I've never lived there like you, but it's just an
easier place to just kind of ease into things.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, Baker, the media and Tampa is more supportive. Is
one of those guys that sometimes if he feels like
he has to overcome the GM and the coach, that
he tries too hard. He's very composed. Now he's got
a support system. He's happily married. Baker has nothing to prove.
Everybody knows he's good. He's playing with a very controlled
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chip on his shoulder, but it's a good chip on
his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's it's it's like he doesn't have to prove anything.
Everybody loves him in Tampa, and in Cleveland, he and
Hugh Jackson battled, and then Freddy Kitchens and then the
GM and and then the media was on his ass
because the Cleveland media is, you know, it's it's it's bitter,
it's it's I don't blame him. Tampa's got trophies. They don't,
so I think it's and people I know they find
this hard to believe, but I root for young people
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to succeed. One of my favorite part of the volume
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I want to talk about the Colts, Speed the Raiders.
This was my favorite pick of the week. Got this
one forty to six Colt speed the Raiders. I will
die on this hill. I think the Colts have a
top six roster in the league. I love their offensive line.
I think they have stars. I don't care if it's
Pittman Warren. Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. He just doesn't. He's not
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a know Saquon Barkley is. You know, you get these
running stylistically, they pop. And Jonathan Taylor was always just
a speed guy out of college. He wasn't shifty. He
was like, oh, like track guy. Just oh behind that
offensive line. I swear to God, John Like, it's just
he three yards before he gets touched. I don't know
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what Pete Carroll's fascination. That's nine picks and six games
for Gino in his last six games. I think it's
something like that. Six touchdowns and nine picks this year.
Six touchdowns, nine picks for Gino. That is the Geno
comeback Story's over. It's the opposite of what Pete Carroll likes.
He is so much about clean football. Run, run the game,
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run the ball. I think the Raiders are just a
big work in progress. When Colton Miller gets hurt O line,
it's just one of the worst five in the league.
But you look at the Colts. I mean the Chiefs
will brib beat the Jags tomorrow? I don't know. I
look at the Colts like I look at Tampa. Now,
Baker's better than Daniel Joe Ownes, but coaches who some
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people started doubting, you know, like stiking with Anthony Richardson.
Oh Stichen's lost his magic. But that Tampa roster when healthy,
that Colt roster, I know, they're a middle of the country,
flyover country. I think the culture good, I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
DJ had to pass a touchdown where he rolled out
and everyone's gonna be it's the Raiders. It's not about
the opponent. Where he was just on the move guy
in the back of the end zone. He split it
through a defender. You know, I've always compared him to
Alex Smith. He's got a better arm than Alex Smith,
no question. His arm actually is better than I thought.
And sometimes it just takes you with a credible offense
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to really get to see that arm talent. It's pretty
You watch Baker and Samuel like these guys can sling it.
You're watching Daniel Jones in twenty twenty five, I would
have said forever. He's got an average to below average arm,
Like his arm is more than strong enough. He's not
Josh Allen, but it's he's he's even that thing in there,
and I'm a big guy to me. The Warren pick
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looks fantastic. He has been easily one of the best
rookies in the league. I mean, obviously the Raiders are bad,
but I would say the Colts, John, I think the
Colts can win a playoff game. I mean, I think
the Colts can be a factor in the AFC, especially
now it's definitely opening more up right.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They are the most efficient offense in the league. They
went eight for ten on third down, so they become
an incredibly efficient offense. John, They had the ball only
twenty six minutes. They scored forty points. No offense in
this league is more efficient.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Going into the Rams game, Daniel Jones is twenty to
twenty nine. So it's like we look at Baker and Sam.
I mean, it's really the store this year is the
story of redemption. I mean, Baker leads his division. Sam's great.
Daniel Jones, it's.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I do wonder if you've got Shane Stike in over
cocktails and Ballard if they knew, like when they truly
was it a week into training camp?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
This isn't even a close competition? Did they know before
training camp? Just base?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I think they did. I had listen. I was talking
to Steve Kime about a year ago and we were
out and I said, what do you make Anthony Richardson?
And Steve Steve said, man, Colin, he said, you got
to be able to hit those layups in the flat
And he said, you know, I looked at some of
the film and he's like, you know, if anybody can
do it, Shane Steiken can fix it. But Kyme and
(25:27):
I were talking about it, and he just said, you know,
if you have to work on that stuff, if you're
spending a lot of practice time on that stuff, it's
really hard. And and because you know generally with with
with Baker, you're you're dealing with high end stuff. Baker
solved all that stuff. With Baker, it's it can be
concepts and defense. You're not worried about the layup stuff.
(25:48):
So and then I talked to somebody else at GM,
an active GM in the league, and he echoed, what
what Steve Kim told me. It's just like gosh, if
you're struggling with the underneath stuff, you know, you're spending
a lot of time on that. You have to spend
so much time on that to get that right. But
then you're not really that's elementary stuff in the league.
You're not dealing with the second and third and fourth
(26:09):
level stuff. You also can't call a game that you
want to call in the NFL. I remember I got
off the phone with this jam in the league and
my take was, well, God, if if I don't trust
a guy to throw it downfield, I can't call the
same game. I just eliminated thirty five percent of the playbook.
So I think with Daniel Jones, you can use the
whole playbook.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That's the difference, Isn't it crazy? You know, the redemption season,
even watching Carson Wentz with Kevin O'Connell, it's like he
actually doesn't look.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That terrible, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I mean it's like this the power of some of
these offensive coordinators. Also, because what are usually offensive coordinators
are head coaches have pretty good skill guys around them,
right Kevin O'Connell. They got a pretty loaded roster, you know,
Shane Stichen that they've invested some picks and some money
into the offensive skill guys. Right, you play for Shanahan,
you play for McVeigh, you play for Lafleora, Like they
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emphasize that side of the ball in terms of people,
you know, the wide receivers, the running backs, the tight ends.
These guys look a lot better than some of the
franchise that failed them. I mean, you go back to
the Giants, I mean, Daniel Jones was horrendous. I get
asked a lot like, is this gonna if Daniel Jones?
I mean, is in the MVP conversation this team wins
thirteen or fourteen games? Clear, the Giants aren't. What were
(27:19):
they gonna win five games? And listen, it was time
for a breakup. I didn't blame them. It was not working.
But this is one of those things like, oh, ultimately
Saquon Barkley is much better with the.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Great offensive line.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
But if i'm you know, the Giants ownership. I paid
my head coach who's the play caller. I know he's
kind of bounced around being the play caller, but he's
an offensive guy to fix that position. And this guy
we had this guy, Hell, we paid this guy and
then he goes to another offensive coordinator as the head
coach and looks like Sam Darnold's Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
How's that possible? You know, how can that happen?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
This guy is going to get I mean, Shane Psychen
and Chris Baller are going to get contract extensions. I
would imagine before the playoffs start. It's going that well.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
All right, Danny parkins, as he is prone to do
at least once a month, sometimes more. FS one is
joining us and it's a day of breaking news. There
are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something,
but you're not surprised when it happens. Like your buddy
who drives too fast, you wouldn't predict he gets into
a wrec but if it happens, you know, bangs into
a fire, hyderate and you'd be like, well, Bob drives
(28:22):
a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season.
They're working on a buyout. And you know, first of all,
whenever you get a friends and family staff, he and
Mike Lombardi kids on the staff, highly compensated. Never a
huge fan of that, but I think sometimes we look
(28:45):
at college as this inferior product of the NFL, and
in terms of like talent. It is, but it is
a really hard trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, nil ad.
When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner,
then you kind of just do what you want to do.
(29:07):
I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door
to tell Andy what to run on. Second before, I
could argue there are more land mines for a college
coach than a pro coach, And I just don't think
Bill at this point has the tolerance for it. That's
kind of my take. He just he's just not built
for college football. I don't think he ever wanted to
(29:29):
be there in the first place.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I said it at the time, like I was like,
I'm gonna be the last person who believes that this
is going to actually happen, Like it all felt beneath him,
Like I remember when he was photographed at a Chick
fil A in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank,
Like that was two hiring cycles ago, and then he won,
(29:53):
and then he did all of the media jobs and
he was hoping to get another NFL job and it
never came, and so he's like, well, I guess coaching
in college is better than coach than doing media, and
I'm sure for a lifelong coach that is correct. But
then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down
to just a million bucks. It's like, oh, he wants
(30:16):
to leave open any path to get back to the NFL.
He never wanted to be there in the first place.
And then on top of it, the embarrassment with whatever
you think about, the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that,
the losing, and then that's all before any of the
(30:36):
things that you're talking about, which are of course totally
true and valid. But like, if you didn't really want
to be there in the first place, and then you
start getting mocked for being there, and then you start losing,
and you've got eighteen year old kids mouthing off to you,
like he has to be miserable right now, Colin.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, And like Labarti's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had
some early success at Notre Dame. But Charlie has got
kind of that gruff Northeast personality, and that's fine. Some
of those guys lived out there for ten years. I
liked a lot of guys like that. They're really bottom line,
they're kind of gruff, they're kind of Kurt, But you
know Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'all.
(31:16):
It's you know what I mean, like Roy Williams, Dean Smith.
There's a certain sensibility to it, and I just it's
a weird fit to me. Like I think I've told
you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed with this, but I'm
always surprised when very success, When very successful, seemingly bright
(31:38):
older men can't aren't self aware, Like Bobby Knight, Bobby,
you gotta do the one and done. Everybody's doing it.
You're going to get inferior players just too stubborn. And
Bill Belichick, Bill, you can't spit on Robert Kraft like
(31:58):
he's an owner. Owners are tight, don't You're not going
to win. It'd be like me going against the Murdochs,
like just be a good employee, work your butt off.
If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's like I just sometimes I see these older men
and they they get stuck in their ways. We all
know in our twenties you kind of have to follow
in line. Maybe it's the wealth of maybe it's the
I don't give a damn. But I mean the idea
that he wouldn't let he wouldn't like tweet Drake may
you know stuff because he was a patriot, Like does that?
(32:36):
I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've
seen like the Tony larus Is, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights.
You're like guys rigid punctures, brilliant, don't do it?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean Barack Obama said it recently. I mean,
and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something
like eighty percent of the world's problems evolve old men
hanging on who are of death and insignificance. Like there's
something to that. And we've got like an age minimum
(33:08):
for you to be president. I'd be interested in an
age maximum, you know, like like a sweet spot there
for just like you want the people who are governing
on the things in our world like it to like
maybe impacts them. And so yeah, I think like not
too come across as two ageists here, but because there
are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I didn't want
(33:31):
I would have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll.
And I know you disagreed on that, and you like
Pete Carroll, and by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like
a young mid seventies guy.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Would I say it was an exception?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Sure, and that's and that's fine, and I'll and i'll
you know better than I do, swall grant you that one.
But like the Bears had an opening. If you told
me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take
Ben Johnson eleven times out of ten, even though he's
not proven as a head coach, and Pete Carroll is.
But I'd be betting on upset. I'd be betting on
ability to connect with young players. I'd be betting on
(34:04):
a longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah,
I think that it's a real danger for a ton
of people that they just get caught in their way.
They get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve.
You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was
pitching these kids that like North Carolina was gonna be
like the thirty third NFL team. That just seems laughable now.
(34:28):
It's it seems so laughable that he thought that he
could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent
and just be a pipeline to the to the pros
plug from my book by the way, pipeline, the.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's an there's a
serious argument to me made. I've said this before. Men
are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines,
but we break up with somebody and don't even text.
We can get into wars, we can always rationalize getting
(35:03):
into wars. We can never get out of them. Men
are bad at exes. And I when somebody goes through something,
I put myself on that spot. I think what would
I would have done? And I look when Brady retired
in New England, and my take, just for selfishly, for legendary,
(35:23):
for legacy preservation, I would have said, listen, I owe
the Crafts one year of stability, and I'm going to
root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for
a player. Will never be the same franchise without Tom.
(35:43):
I'm going to stay for one year to just get
some stability here and get people kind of ready, and
then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of
a walk off here because if you remember, they get
Cam Newton. He praised Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime.
But you know it was okay, here comes mac Jones.
You know there was a real moment in time. Bill
(36:05):
didn't need the money and he knew the team wasn't
as good, and then he kind of stayed in state.
In fact, I made I said this on the air, Danny.
I said, I don't think this is true, but knowing
Bill's petty and grudge holding personality, go to that last
draft that Bill controlled slowest team in the league, two
(36:26):
kickers and three interior alignment. It was like he was saying,
I'm going to leave you with an awful roster. I
mean they need they At one point they drafted three
guards like two kickers and they had no speed. And
I think I really do if you look at that
last draft, when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it
(36:50):
was the decisions Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator. It was like
he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was set.
He wanted to humiliate the franchise. I know it sounds
crazy and I don't believe it's true, but it's not
the nuttiest thing I've ever said.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, no, that's a high bar to clear. Yeah, I mean,
he the Patricia the drafts, Like I think there's like
a real legitimate argument to make when you look at
the drafts and beyond the last one of like Bill
Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton to
(37:26):
be desired.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Oh God, on the offensive side, that's kind right exactly,
And so he is.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Someone asked me earlier, do you think this impacts his legacy,
because you kind of hinted at that. I don't think so. Like,
I think that it's humiliating right now. It's this is
very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I thought that,
like I said, I said it on FS one when
I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like, I don't
(37:54):
believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because
I don't believe he wants to do it. And now
he's just kind of seeing it through and it's clearly going.
But like in twenty years, when we're talking about the
greatest coaches of all time, he's gonna be on everyone's
mount rushmore. Like that's his legacy is secure. We don't
talk about my Wizards, we don't talk about EMMITTT. Smith
(38:16):
with the Cardinals, Like this is like a of the
moment thing. Now if you want to have the like
who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty? Brady or Belichick?
Pretty clear? Pretty clear, Pretty clear, even though like some
of the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was really Brady,
those were more Belichick, but like the majority of them
(38:39):
were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously Bill won
the or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa.
So like, if you're having that specific legacy conversation Brady
over Belichick, I think now is going to be not
a majority opinion, Like I think it's going to be
a consensus, but it's like greatest ball coach of coaches
(39:01):
of your lifetime. Like he's on one hand, I saw
you at a Jared Goff. You have him as a
Hall of famer.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
No, I said, he will be a Hall of Famer absolutely,
you know, since twenty seventeen, so that's going to be
nine years. He's like first in passing touchdowns first, Like
I think people are shocked he's had seven offensive coordinators.
He was great with six, Like he works with everybody,
and I think to me, that's always been it. It'd
(39:39):
be one thing if we're in TV and you had
this one great producer and the rest of your career
eight shows bombed. It's like, Okay, who was your partner?
Who was your producer? Seven coordinators? Six He's crushed, and
it's like, guys his I always think Hall of Fames
are great ten years. That's why I never understood the
(40:00):
Jim Rice. I know he wasn't he was difficult with
the press or something. But Jim Rice, when I was
a kid, was the best right handed American League power
hitter for a decade. Like it was just like he
was one of two. He and Fred Linn were the
Red Sox and like people went back and forth, and
I'm like, what ten years of greatness is hard for
your your peak maybe eight physical years. And so if
(40:23):
you look at Jared Goff, he has eight great years. Well,
this front office is so good. Amaran Saint Brown's in
his prime. The running backs one's young, one's not that old.
Panay Seoul has just entered his prime. He's going to
have three to four big years with Detroit or somebody.
Jared's a Hall of Famer and he's he's made no enemies.
(40:45):
Even McVeigh feels guilty for letting him go.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Well, definitely definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah,
and I mean Laporta and Jamison Williams are young, you know,
so yeah, he's got got plenty, plenty of young talent.
The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say
is because I love the Lions and they have been
my Super Bowl pick three years in a row, so
eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just the
(41:11):
stats thing, you know, like it's it's it's not like
he does he will need to hoist the trophy because,
like I think Stafford is in, because Stafford is going
to finish sixth all time in passing Yeah, Stafford's in.
I agree, and he has the trophy. But if Stafford
didn't have the trophy very hard, probably not, that's what.
(41:35):
But he's got numbers that are force. I mean, obviously
we'll see where Jared Goff ends up, but like it's
not like a guarantee that Jared Goff ends up top
five all time in passing yards.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
He might, but it helps. It does help, even though
it's not linear. It does help that Goff is better
with the Lions than Stafford was.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, yes, I mean you look at it.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And you're like god Goff crushed and Stafford now one
of them, Yes, the best young GM in the sport
or one of the best gms. So it's not apples
orange apples, right, it's different. But I do think there's
you know, that's just one of those things you look
at and you're like, well, golf one big in Detroit,
and we all know it's same ownership, right, you know,
(42:18):
quirky head coach and Dan Campbell he didn't have McVeigh.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, but I think that like like in a vacuum
in their prime starting a team, right Stafford, Yeah, right, exactly,
exactly and so and again that's also not the criteria
for the Hall of Fame. But I remember a GM
was like, my job is to evaluate individual talent amidst
(42:45):
the team sport. Like that's like the job of the
football general manager, right, and so like it's why I've
always been a big Herbert guy and like it just
I watch him and no, not everyone is a free agent.
We are not doing this to start a team. But
I'm like, that guy is one of the five best
at the position. He just doesn't have you don't have
the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime always
(43:08):
felt like the same type of thing to me, Like
I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to
build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Veach,
to give Brad Holmes the general manager of the Lions,
like the built to build around the great quarterback because
he is a Hall of Fame talent. And now I
do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that
(43:29):
he will ultimately get in golf. I think is going
to need a trophy, like if he has regular season
success and counting stats. The Pro Football Hall of Fame
is really tough to get into, so I think they're
gonna have to break through and start winning in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I want to end with this because it's kind of
a think piece. Derek Thompson writes for The Atlantic. He's
one of my favorite writers. He's got He's kind of
a theorist. He loves new data, he loves culture changes.
And last week he was talking and he acknowledges he
his center left and he admits it. You know, he
doesn't hide it. But I think he's a really interesting read.
(44:06):
I think he does a podcast for The Ringer. We
at the Volume, we weren't really interested in him we
didn't reach out, but he was one of the two
or three people that we were just fascinated with. And
he and it's really an interesting thing he brought up
this week. He was complaining about conservatives doing something and
he goes, but what equally drives me crazy is that
(44:27):
progresses in California. Many are against WAIMO and their take
is we are unemploying people, that this is not good
for jobs. And his argument was time out. We do
not want to be the party that's anti tech. The
Conservatives are anti science. We can't be anti tech. And
(44:49):
I read that and I thought it is fascinating. I
used to live in Oregon, very liberal, and gas stations
you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is
it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of
Oregon and it rains a lot. So I kind of
like somebody pumping my dass, to.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
You know, you're.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Touching stuff, So it's like I always kind of thought
it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal
and it's like that's good. So where would you fall
on this? It absolutely will create job losts. I mean,
there's no question uber drivers are in big trouble in California,
because I'm telling you where I live. Way Mo cars
(45:32):
are everywhere, Danny and I prefer them. Nothing against the driver,
but no driver.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants
to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car,
it gets there fast, and I'm a way Mo guy.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs.
As somebody you acknowledge your center left. What do you
do if you're a Democrat in California?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So on.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
My take is I'm pro technology, and nobody has a
right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village,
and because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or
the number of salmon you could catch, salmon, fishermen lost work.
And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of
a man of nature and a man of earth and
a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm
(46:27):
going into broadcasting. If radio die tomorrow, i don't have
a right to a job. And so it was like,
you know, just because you're a fisherman. At twenty eight,
doesn't mean you want at forty eight. Like states have legislation,
they protect our earth. So I'm for way MO, which
means I'm kind of four job loss. Where do you land?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, that's a good one, I think in I am
pro innovation and I am and like, there's a lot
of problems with capitalism, but it might be it's the
best we got, Like the kind of a play on
that the old you know, democracy is the worst form
of government except for all the other ways, you know,
(47:09):
and so like, are there problems with it? Yes, are
there unintended consequences, absolutely, But I don't think you want
to be in the business of stifling innovation because what's
the next thing that that would Like I'd be thrilled
if there was some level of innovation that made pediatric
(47:30):
cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it,
you know, And so like it's the type of thing
where like, just in general, innovation is good, Like the
easy Pass put tollbooth workers out of business, but it's
objectively better. We don't have to stop, we don't have
to keep coins in our car. We can just keep
(47:53):
going on our drive. But it put people out of
business for a better way of life. So I've never
been in a driver car before, so I'm glad that
I wouldn't be the test case for it. So like
I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's
going well. But like I think that type off if
they can do it, and they clearly can, and I
(48:15):
I'm aware of WIMO and I'm aware of the fact
that this is becoming more and more popular. Like it's
just going to lead to less auto crashes, It's going
to lead to people being safer, it's gonna lead fewer deaths.
It's gonna lead to fewer deaths. Oh right.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Question, Also, there are safety concerns with women and male
Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Tuber. There have
been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look
at the history of Uber, and I've been lots of lawsuits.
You eliminate that you eliminate. I mean, there's no question
the number of car desks will plummet in America.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
So like that to me, obvious negative is the job loss,
But there are so many also positives that come with
it that that one, to me is not terribly difficult
to be Like, yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm fine
with it. And in general, again, like I there's this
(49:09):
there was a story arc in The Wire, The Wired
Him He's the greatest television show ever, And that show
came out twenty years ago, twenty plus years ago about
like the the dock workers and how they could unload
and offload ships like cargo ships, big containers that weigh
you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And
(49:30):
there were the steve Indors were like, that's gonna put
us out of jobs. And they're like, yeah, but you're
not going to die on the job. And then the
steved Door's like, but I'd rather get injured on the
job and have a job. But that's not that's not
the point. The guy who developed the technology to offload
the cargo ship faster and more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries,
(49:54):
that guy created that company to do it. That was innovation,
it was progress, moving it forward. And so so it sucks.
And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I'm thirty.
I turned thirty nine in two weeks. I have no
idea what the next twenty years of media is going
to look like, and like what my career in this industry,
(50:14):
Cable television, cord cutting, podcasting. It keeps evolving. We have
to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people
have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't I
feel bad for the individual who would lose their job
enough to make me anti innovation and progress.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
I mean, listen, I did local TV sports that kind
of dried up.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Using a million dollars a year twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Correct, correct, exactly. That was a seven figure job into
the first part of the twenty first century. Like Mark
jing Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend covered like
the bulls, dynasties and all that. He was still making
north of a million dollars into the two thousands. Now,
the people that have that job low six figures and
(51:08):
nobody watches, you know, it's it's just a completely different ecosystem.
And that's just the that's the way of the world.
So are you are you? You're totally Have you ever
had an issue? By the way, WYMO, the vast majority
of people here have never been in a driver listening
to this has never been in a driverless car.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, I've been in three They're fantastic and I'm not
I'm not anti Uber. I've spent a lot of money
on Uber, but there is a gap in Uber drivers
and if you go, if you go the lower levels
of Uber. I had an Uber driver because I had
a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up
(51:46):
to my street and stopped in the middle of the street,
didn't pull into my driveway. There were thirty cars as
I walked on the road to get in and like
bowed my head and apologized and yeah, I mean yeah,
And it was the cheapest level of it because it
was like a six minute drive to the train station.
So like weimo, everybody's good, They're all the exact same.
(52:09):
There's no good, bad smelly. I mean, I've gotten into
Uber cars before and the music's loud and it smells
like hygiene issues. It's like it's rare, but it happens. Yeah,
And there's no question. I so I in Chicago, I
take an Uber every day, about a seven to ten
(52:30):
minute drive from where I work to otc OGLEV train station. Yeah,
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you look at the final stats, Kansas City had four
hundred and sixty five yards, three hundred and seven yards
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passing one time of possession twenty five to seventeen first downs.
You know, Mahomes had a pick six and did not
see the guy. He threw a ball that he didn't
see the defender, So I give him a little bit
of a pass on that. I don't know what I
think Kansas City's really good. I don't think right now
they're as consistent as Detroit, but they have a better defense.
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I don't think they have the consistent pass rush or
pass protection of Denver. They don't have the roster of Philly,
and they don't have the late game magic of Tampa.
I think Kansas City, outside of those teams, is the
fourth or fifth best team in the NFL. If they
played Green Bay tomorrow, green Bay's young, I wouldn't trust them.
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I'd take Kansas City Rams again. Rams got out played
by the Colts. They were lucky to win that game
and lost to the Niners. I don't know what to
do with the Jags. I don't think the Jags are
better than Kansas City. I don't think if they played again,
Mahomes would have a pick six, and it was in Jacksonville.
Which is not worth much, but it was worth something.
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I really liked Kansas City tonight. I think, you know,
keep your eye on Burchard Smith. He played that Miami Hurricanes.
I think he was a seventh round pick for them.
Between Kelsey Worthy, Hollywood Brown, and Burshard. Smith is emerging
as a real player for them. When Rashid Rice comes back,
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Kansas City's going to have a really good receiving core.
They passed for over three hundred yards tonight. I thought
Mahomes was magical. Twenty eight to thirty seven, three hundred
and seven yards, six rushing attempts, ten yards per rush.
I thought he was unbelievable. He had a bad pick six,
and you know he has to be their leading rusher.
It's not ideal. I don't think they're a super Bowl team,
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but you know, again, there's not a great team in
this league right now. I'm doing the Herd hierarchy tomorrow.
I don't know what the hell to do with Jacksonville.
I don't know what to do with Seattle. I can't
put Seattle in and I think they're good. You know,
I got the Colts at ten, I got Buffalo at
eight or nine. I'm not sure what to do with Buffalo.
I don't trust their defense. I don't have New England
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in it, and they just beat Buffalo. I don't do standings.
Jacksonville's four and one, Kansas City is two and three.
I think Kansas City's better, I do. I think they're
the better team, and I think when they get Rashid Rice,
they'll take another jump up. I think Kansas City is
an old team. They're going to be built for October, November,
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and December. It's just crazy right now. There's no great teams.
There's great coaches, there's great quarterbacks, there's great units. I
think the best unit in the league is the running
back room for the Lions and the offensive line for
the Lions. Offensively, Detroit is just a freaking handful.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They are just blowing people out, and you have to now.
One of the things I've learned over the last couple
of years, as they've extended the schedule the seventeen games,
I think one of the things we have to all
come to terms with is you just can't count week one.
I mean, the Raiders beat the Patriots in Week one,
the Lions got smoked by Green Bay. It's just an
extension of preseason because nobody plays starters in the preseason,
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so Week one is really teams like it's an extension
of the preseason. You can't. I mean, I had a winning,
blazing five. I don't know how I lucked into that.
But week two to now, I mean there's some obvious
I just think the season now is so long that
you're just gonna have bad home games. Buffalo last night,
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just the fumbles early. I think Buffalo is better than
New England. I think they played them five times. We
beat them four to five times, and it beat them
last night at home. So you know, I watched this
game and it looked, you know, I thought it would
be a little lower scoring. I thought it was wildly entertaining.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Trevor Lawrence. I was the one of the first Trevor
Lawrence fanboys. I saw him in high school. I went
to a camp in San Diego and he was down
there with all that wild hair. And I came back
on the air and I said, man, I just saw
one of the best high school quarterbacks I've ever seen.
He was insane, but he is man fumbles, fumble at
the goal line, bad interception, you know, the pick six
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Malmes did not see the defender. You know, the timing
and the spot of that interception by Trevor Lawrence felt
like it was worse and he's just worth a couple
of turnovers. It feels like in big spots. But I
will say is Jacksonville's problem isn't talent, it's sort of belief.
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I mean, for them to travel cross country and beat
San Francisco, that's impressive. They had a really good special
team's day, so they're finding kind of different ways to win.
Kansas City. Give Trevor Lawrence credit though in that final drive,
holy Crow that he have a couple of darts and
Kansas City was bringing heat and spags was bringing like
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safety blitz and he escaped and he almost fell down
on that winning touchdown. It was not artistic, but that
throw to Michael Thomas up the right sideline, that is
as good a throw as Trevor Lawrence has made as
a professional quarterback. That was a perfect throw. That was
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all time stuff. That's Eli Manning to Mario Manningham in
the Super Bowl when he fits it in the bread basket.
That throw by Trevor Lawrence will go down as one
of his great throws as a pro to beat Kansas City.
So you know, I know the records say that the
Jags are a better team. I'm not sure they are.
You know, I don't think New England's better than Buffalo.
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I just thought it was a great night for them
in a great win. I don't know what I'm gonna
do with a hurt hierarchy. I think Detroit's the best
team in the league right now, but there's an argument
Tampa's second. I thought Tampa beating Seattle in Seattle was
so impressed. Well, because games are played on Mondays a
couple of them and Thursdays, you don't always get the
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greatest Sunday slate. But some of the games today were fantastic.
Tampa Bay thirty eight, walk off field goal to win
it over Seattle thirty five. It looked like young Brady
and Peyton Manning. I don't remember a game like that.
Darnold's always been a little more athletic than Baker had
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a couple of all timers. Baker just kept They couldn't
stop him. You know, Seattle's defense has really shut down
a lot of good offenses in the last couple of years,
especially at the end of last year. Baker had no
problem with it. Ibuka had no problem with it. I
guess my takeaway from this game was if these two
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met in the NFC Championship, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean,
it's an offensive league. I would not be shocked. I
don't think tonight was a mirage. I think those are
good quarterbacks and really good teams full of excellent young players.
And by the way, John John Middlikoff two of the
best gms. These rosters have dudes everywhere.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, at one point in time,
Colin it was twenty one to twenty one. They were
thirty nine of forty five for four hundred and fifty
yards and three touchdowns like this is. But it just
kept going on. I mean, they made play after play
outside the construct of the play, right, both of them
scrambling around. We know, Darnold, I mean, Baker now is
a mobile, you know, behind the line of scrimmage keeping.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
That was as entertaining of a game watching these two
guys that have clearly resurrected their career now for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean that those guys I know, Sam, you know
the lasting image will be a him throwing the interception.
But that was on Todd Bowles called an incredible blitz.
You saw in the slow motion replay. It wasn't a
bad pass. He got hit and the ball went in
the wrong direction. Both those guys could miss. They felt like,
you know Steph Curry when every time he shot, you
just think the ball is going to hit nothing but
net with both quarterbacks, Abuka, I mean that draft pick.
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One thing I was taught a long time ago is
at the time they drafted him, you're like, well, they
got Mike Evans and Chris Godwin's coming back, they got hot,
and they got multiple running backs. Why do they need
a weapon? Because a position of strength can become a
position of weakness with an injury or two. Look at
the Chargers best offensive line in the league. Now you're
looking like, who are these guys playing tackle for him?
Injuries happen. I mean, this guy, I don't want to
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say saving their season, but you know, Godwin's been out
and then he comes back, and then Evans gets hurt
and this guy. Find me a better rookie right now
in the NFL than the Mecca he's been Cooley.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Remember a couple of years ago, of course you do.
Atlanta drafted Robinson, Jon Robinson, the running back, and I
had a GM say he's a Danny and Tomlinson. There's
no flaw, good teammate, good blocker, everything. Ibuka because he
wasn't like a four to three guy doesn't go in
the top you know, seven or eight. But I had
an executive in the league say he's a flawless receiver, routes, teammate, toughness,
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catch hands, He's like, there's just no flaw. But he'll
drop because he's not huge, and he's not you know,
he doesn't have a unicorn body type, and he's not
a complete burner. He is just a great football player.
I mean, he is open, he doesn't drop it, he
runs great. He runs ten year veteran routes. And Seattle's
secondary is good, Scale's defense is good, and they torched
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it today.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I would say the same thing about JSN also happened
to be an Ohio State guy. I mean, I look
at the numbers right now. They combined for fifteen catches,
almost three hundred yards and multiple touchdowns. But both those
guys are good examples right. Neither of them would go
in the top ten because they're not quite big enough.
They're more slot receivers. Like no, they can do everything.
They can play inside, they can play outside.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know what they do.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
They get open every single play. Elite players, elite character
guys like you said, elite teammates, and sometimes a wide receiver. Right,
and you've been on this for decades, the little diva ish.
These guys are rare breeds. I mean, these guys are
wired like quarterbacks or safeties or John.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I think a lot of it John is because when
you are as big as DK Metcalf, he was that
big in the seventh grade, he was the biggest, strongest
kid and everybody was in. All of them were a
Jackson Smith and Jigbit make a boka. They weren't the
biggest kids, they weren't the fastest kids. They got there
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because they had a lot of talent and they worked
their ass off to become great receivers. And I think
something Mike Evans is the rare big, strong guy, but
super humble, hard working Keenan Allen. But Keenan's not a
burner either. A lot of times, the Antonio Browns, the
DK Metcalf, the guys that just are have been gifted.
The fastest kid in every class, Tyreek Hill with probably
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the fastest kid in the fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade,
and you know things come easy for you. So a
lot of these great receivers, like Larry Fitzgerald, you can
just see the world ethic, you know, like Puka Nakua,
fifth round, Guy amor On Saint Brown. Look at the
best receivers right now in the league, Hookah amor On
Saint Brown, these two rookies. It's a lot of guys
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that are talented, but there you'd view them as classic overachievers.
None of them are burners. None of them outside of
Mike Evans, you know, don't walk into a room and
inspire awe. They're just dudes who got some genetic gifts,
work super hard and it's just you know, it's just
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like you go find a great attorney. He had smart parents,
you know, he didn't have dummies as parents. But the
truth is he put the effort in. Because there's a
million attorneys, right you got to fight through it. So
I just watched JSN and Abuka and I just look
at to me, you really have to be careful when
drafting wide receivers. I mean, I saw another running back
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drop the ball at the goal line today Arizona Tennessee.
Like you watch Arizona Tennessee today. There's talent on the field,
but just not just airs and fumbles. And Kyler Murray
at one point left the game, I'm not even sure
he got hit like Moods and I just watched Tampa
and I watched Seattle, and I see great gms and
a lot of good character guys and a lot of
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tough guys and a lot of redemption stories. That was
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I also think if you're a defensive coach out there,
like an assistant or a coordinator, it shows you. Obviously,
these offensive coordinators have taken over the league, and rightfully so.
The quarterback's really important. But Todd Bowles is an old
school like a safety from the eighties, right who has
become you know, he was Bruce Arians right hand man
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for a long time. He got some experience with the Jets.
Like he's a really good coach, and he's an excellent
defensive coordinator. I've been saying for years, Mike McDonald is
basically Kyle or Sean. He just happens to call defense.
If he was an offensive coordinator, we would speak about
him no differently than we do Kevin O'Connell. But you're
a defensive guy, and you saw today those guys have
empowered their quarterback. I mean, Todd's probably one of the
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great blitz callers in league history. You know, Spags has
turned into one Jim Johnson forever. It's a skill and
that call that won them the game because that was
a game and even for a split second when they
had tied the game, I went, Todd's going to allow
them to go for two, when it turned out it
was just Baker holding it up hoping they would give
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I think Todd gold. You know, the field goal kicker on.
But that's another thing. I mean in a day and age,
when these field goals are kind of getting blocked. Their
field goal kicker in Tampa, I don't know if the
guy's missed. I mean, he's a game winner after game
winner pretty nails. Also when the guy hit the ground
on essentially the game winning run, probably could have got
a couple more yards.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But you talk about coaching.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Clearly told him in the huddle, if you break this,
it's an outbreaking run if you get near the sideline,
whether it's a first down or not, get to the
ground right. We have seen in college and the pro
sometimes guys like they have a you know, brain fart,
they go out about they save the team a time out.
So it's just just a high level operation. I'm with
you that game. I think Seattle's going nowhere. I mean,
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the forty nine ers are four and one, but half
their teams on injured reserve.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Tampa.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean it's Tampa forty nine er game next week.
You know, Tampa now has to fly. I mean, what
time are they going to get out of their seven
o'clock Pacific standard time. They won't get home till the
middle of the night. The forty nine ers have this
long break, they're missing a ton of players. That's that's
a huge win for them, though, I mean, that's a
that's a massive go on the road to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And forty one.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Todd Bowles struggled with the Jets. Darnold disaster with the Jets,
Davante Adams disaster with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers much better
version of Aaron Rodgers. It's a cesspool, and we'll get
into the Jets lost today, which may have been like
rich co tight level bad think about people aren't only
leaving the Jets and winning, they're flourishing, they lead their division,
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they're MVP candidates. That is a bad organization. I remember
when Todd Bowles was with the Jets, you know, and
people would always rip him. He was a little like
Carl Durell UCLA. The first year he didn't even know.
He didn't have much of a persona on the sideline.
He got lost within the sideline. You couldn't find him.
But Todd was always so smart and so thoughtful, and
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he was just one of those guys like he didn't
want you know, he was the opposite of Rex Ryan,
like he didn't want any attention. But over the course
of your life, if you do good work and you
just keep your head down, a lot of people get fired.
It doesn't mean anything. You'll be rewarded. Todd Bowles was
too good not to succeed in this league.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Toty with Sam and look at you know, I think
you brought up the two gms. You know, Mike's going
to have a long career. Came from the Ravens. But Todd,
imagine if you would have got a second opportunity with
the Carolina Panthers or some of these franchises. He got
Jason light who anyone in the league will tell you
is easily one of the best champs. Just a high level,
humble guy who's seen it all, worked for everyone that
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mattered in the league over the last twenty years. And
their team, like, they have had so many injuries, and
you watched the play, I mean offensively, they're missing their
starting running back and their Hall of Fame wide receiver.
How many points did they just I mean they scored
thirty eight points. That's on the road against Seattle.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Wow, what in Seattle is a Sam Donald fumble and
a Sam Donald pick? And both times he like either
bumped into a teammate or had somebody bump into him
or Seattle could be an undefeated team. So this game
is Seattle's a really good team to the second youngest
offense in the league. So if you're a Seahawks fan,
you got some good years ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's also I don't know, I mean, I wouldn't worry
about drafting a quarterback if I'm Seattle. I think they
found I mean, Donald's still young, He's still totally when
he was drafted by the Jets, he was twenty one.
I think he's twenty seven or twenty eight. Now you
have four more five more peak years.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah to me, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about Collin.
You look around the landscape of college football doesn't look
like a lot of Joe Burrow's coming into the league here.
I would say this, though, Sometimes there's a win win
fit matters. Like I'm way better off as a podcaster
than I was local radio, and we had ties to
the team. It's not Kubiak. Like, they hire Kubiak and
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they get rid of Ryan Grubb. Well Tys Simpson and
Alabama are rolling right, and Ryan Grubb much better fit
for college and they get Kubiak, who is more of
a run heavy great for Sam. And it's just worked
out for both parties, right. Kubiak last year fired as well.
Sometimes in football you just get with the right person.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Sam.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Now look at Sam. Now we talk about the Jets
for three straight years. Kyle, Kyle embracism, prety embracism changes
the way we talk about him. Then he gets his
opportunity with Kevin. Now he's in Seattle. I mean, just
flourishing same thing with Baker Mayfield. He goes to Tampa,
gets around Jason Light, gets around to Mike Evans, and
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just a more low key environment.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I've been there.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I've never lived there like you, but it's just an
easier place to just kind of ease into things.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, Baker, the media and Tampa is more supportive. Is
one of those guys that sometimes if he feels like
he has to overcome the GM and the coach, that
he tries too hard. He's very composed. Now he's got
a support system. He's happily married. Baker has nothing to prove.
Everybody knows he's good. He's playing with a very controlled
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chip on his shoulder, but it's a good chip on
his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's it's it's like he doesn't have to prove anything.
Everybody loves him in Tampa, and in Cleveland, he and
Hugh Jackson battled, and then Freddy Kitchens and then the
GM and and then the media was on his ass
because the Cleveland media is, you know, it's it's it's bitter,
it's it's I don't blame him. Tampa's got trophies. They don't,
so I think it's and people I know they find
this hard to believe, but I root for young people
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is watching young people at my age. You're young. I
think it's great for Baker. It makes me very happy
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I want to talk about the Colts, Speed the Raiders.
This was my favorite pick of the week. Got this
one forty to six Colt speed the Raiders. I will
die on this hill. I think the Colts have a
top six roster in the league. I love their offensive line.
I think they have stars. I don't care if it's
Pittman Warren. Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. He just doesn't. He's not
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a know Saquon Barkley is. You know, you get these
running stylistically, they pop. And Jonathan Taylor was always just
a speed guy out of college. He wasn't shifty. He
was like, oh, like track guy. Just oh behind that
offensive line. I swear to God, John Like, it's just
he three yards before he gets touched. I don't know
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what Pete Carroll's fascination. That's nine picks and six games
for Gino in his last six games. I think it's
something like that. Six touchdowns and nine picks this year.
Six touchdowns, nine picks for Gino. That is the Geno
comeback Story's over. It's the opposite of what Pete Carroll likes.
He is so much about clean football. Run, run the game,
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run the ball. I think the Raiders are just a
big work in progress. When Colton Miller gets hurt O line,
it's just one of the worst five in the league.
But you look at the Colts. I mean the Chiefs
will brib beat the Jags tomorrow? I don't know. I
look at the Colts like I look at Tampa. Now,
Baker's better than Daniel Joe Ownes, but coaches who some
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people started doubting, you know, like stiking with Anthony Richardson.
Oh Stichen's lost his magic. But that Tampa roster when healthy,
that Colt roster, I know, they're a middle of the country,
flyover country. I think the culture good, I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
DJ had to pass a touchdown where he rolled out
and everyone's gonna be it's the Raiders. It's not about
the opponent. Where he was just on the move guy
in the back of the end zone. He split it
through a defender. You know, I've always compared him to
Alex Smith. He's got a better arm than Alex Smith,
no question. His arm actually is better than I thought.
And sometimes it just takes you with a credible offense
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to really get to see that arm talent. It's pretty
You watch Baker and Samuel like these guys can sling it.
You're watching Daniel Jones in twenty twenty five, I would
have said forever. He's got an average to below average arm,
Like his arm is more than strong enough. He's not
Josh Allen, but it's he's he's even that thing in there,
and I'm a big guy to me. The Warren pick
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looks fantastic. He has been easily one of the best
rookies in the league. I mean, obviously the Raiders are bad,
but I would say the Colts, John, I think the
Colts can win a playoff game. I mean, I think
the Colts can be a factor in the AFC, especially
now it's definitely opening more up right.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They are the most efficient offense in the league. They
went eight for ten on third down, so they become
an incredibly efficient offense. John, They had the ball only
twenty six minutes. They scored forty points. No offense in
this league is more efficient.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Going into the Rams game, Daniel Jones is twenty to
twenty nine. So it's like we look at Baker and Sam.
I mean, it's really the store this year is the
story of redemption. I mean, Baker leads his division. Sam's great.
Daniel Jones, it's.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I do wonder if you've got Shane Stike in over
cocktails and Ballard if they knew, like when they truly
was it a week into training camp?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
This isn't even a close competition? Did they know before
training camp? Just base?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I think they did. I had listen. I was talking
to Steve Kime about a year ago and we were
out and I said, what do you make Anthony Richardson?
And Steve Steve said, man, Colin, he said, you got
to be able to hit those layups in the flat
And he said, you know, I looked at some of
the film and he's like, you know, if anybody can
do it, Shane Steiken can fix it. But Kyme and
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I were talking about it, and he just said, you know,
if you have to work on that stuff, if you're
spending a lot of practice time on that stuff, it's
really hard. And and because you know generally with with
with Baker, you're you're dealing with high end stuff. Baker
solved all that stuff. With Baker, it's it can be
concepts and defense. You're not worried about the layup stuff.
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So and then I talked to somebody else at GM,
an active GM in the league, and he echoed, what
what Steve Kim told me. It's just like gosh, if
you're struggling with the underneath stuff, you know, you're spending
a lot of time on that. You have to spend
so much time on that to get that right. But
then you're not really that's elementary stuff in the league.
You're not dealing with the second and third and fourth
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level stuff. You also can't call a game that you
want to call in the NFL. I remember I got
off the phone with this jam in the league and
my take was, well, God, if if I don't trust
a guy to throw it downfield, I can't call the
same game. I just eliminated thirty five percent of the playbook.
So I think with Daniel Jones, you can use the
whole playbook.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That's the difference, Isn't it crazy? You know, the redemption season,
even watching Carson Wentz with Kevin O'Connell, it's like he
actually doesn't look.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That terrible, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I mean it's like this the power of some of
these offensive coordinators. Also, because what are usually offensive coordinators
are head coaches have pretty good skill guys around them,
right Kevin O'Connell. They got a pretty loaded roster, you know,
Shane Stichen that they've invested some picks and some money
into the offensive skill guys. Right, you play for Shanahan,
you play for McVeigh, you play for Lafleora, Like they
(26:57):
emphasize that side of the ball in terms of people,
you know, the wide receivers, the running backs, the tight ends.
These guys look a lot better than some of the
franchise that failed them. I mean, you go back to
the Giants, I mean, Daniel Jones was horrendous. I get
asked a lot like, is this gonna if Daniel Jones?
I mean, is in the MVP conversation this team wins
thirteen or fourteen games? Clear, the Giants aren't. What were
(27:19):
they gonna win five games? And listen, it was time
for a breakup. I didn't blame them. It was not working.
But this is one of those things like, oh, ultimately
Saquon Barkley is much better with the.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Great offensive line.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
But if i'm you know, the Giants ownership. I paid
my head coach who's the play caller. I know he's
kind of bounced around being the play caller, but he's
an offensive guy to fix that position. And this guy
we had this guy, Hell, we paid this guy and
then he goes to another offensive coordinator as the head
coach and looks like Sam Darnold's Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
How's that possible? You know, how can that happen?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
This guy is going to get I mean, Shane Psychen
and Chris Baller are going to get contract extensions. I
would imagine before the playoffs start. It's going that well.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
All right, Danny parkins, as he is prone to do
at least once a month, sometimes more. FS one is
joining us and it's a day of breaking news. There
are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something,
but you're not surprised when it happens. Like your buddy
who drives too fast, you wouldn't predict he gets into
a wrec but if it happens, you know, bangs into
a fire, hyderate and you'd be like, well, Bob drives
(28:22):
a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season.
They're working on a buyout. And you know, first of all,
whenever you get a friends and family staff, he and
Mike Lombardi kids on the staff, highly compensated. Never a
huge fan of that, but I think sometimes we look
(28:45):
at college as this inferior product of the NFL, and
in terms of like talent. It is, but it is
a really hard trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, nil ad.
When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner,
then you kind of just do what you want to do.
(29:07):
I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door
to tell Andy what to run on. Second before, I
could argue there are more land mines for a college
coach than a pro coach, And I just don't think
Bill at this point has the tolerance for it. That's
kind of my take. He just he's just not built
for college football. I don't think he ever wanted to
(29:29):
be there in the first place.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I said it at the time, like I was like,
I'm gonna be the last person who believes that this
is going to actually happen, Like it all felt beneath him,
Like I remember when he was photographed at a Chick
fil A in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank,
Like that was two hiring cycles ago, and then he won,
(29:53):
and then he did all of the media jobs and
he was hoping to get another NFL job and it
never came, and so he's like, well, I guess coaching
in college is better than coach than doing media, and
I'm sure for a lifelong coach that is correct. But
then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down
to just a million bucks. It's like, oh, he wants
(30:16):
to leave open any path to get back to the NFL.
He never wanted to be there in the first place.
And then on top of it, the embarrassment with whatever
you think about, the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that,
the losing, and then that's all before any of the
(30:36):
things that you're talking about, which are of course totally
true and valid. But like, if you didn't really want
to be there in the first place, and then you
start getting mocked for being there, and then you start losing,
and you've got eighteen year old kids mouthing off to you,
like he has to be miserable right now, Colin.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, And like Labarti's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had
some early success at Notre Dame. But Charlie has got
kind of that gruff Northeast personality, and that's fine. Some
of those guys lived out there for ten years. I
liked a lot of guys like that. They're really bottom line,
they're kind of gruff, they're kind of Kurt, But you
know Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'all.
(31:16):
It's you know what I mean, like Roy Williams, Dean Smith.
There's a certain sensibility to it, and I just it's
a weird fit to me. Like I think I've told
you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed with this, but I'm
always surprised when very success, When very successful, seemingly bright
(31:38):
older men can't aren't self aware, Like Bobby Knight, Bobby,
you gotta do the one and done. Everybody's doing it.
You're going to get inferior players just too stubborn. And
Bill Belichick, Bill, you can't spit on Robert Kraft like
(31:58):
he's an owner. Owners are tight, don't You're not going
to win. It'd be like me going against the Murdochs,
like just be a good employee, work your butt off.
If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's like I just sometimes I see these older men
and they they get stuck in their ways. We all
know in our twenties you kind of have to follow
in line. Maybe it's the wealth of maybe it's the
I don't give a damn. But I mean the idea
that he wouldn't let he wouldn't like tweet Drake may
you know stuff because he was a patriot, Like does that?
(32:36):
I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've
seen like the Tony larus Is, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights.
You're like guys rigid punctures, brilliant, don't do it?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean Barack Obama said it recently. I mean,
and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something
like eighty percent of the world's problems evolve old men
hanging on who are of death and insignificance. Like there's
something to that. And we've got like an age minimum
(33:08):
for you to be president. I'd be interested in an
age maximum, you know, like like a sweet spot there
for just like you want the people who are governing
on the things in our world like it to like
maybe impacts them. And so yeah, I think like not
too come across as two ageists here, but because there
are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I didn't want
(33:31):
I would have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll.
And I know you disagreed on that, and you like
Pete Carroll, and by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like
a young mid seventies guy.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Would I say it was an exception?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Sure, and that's and that's fine, and I'll and i'll
you know better than I do, swall grant you that one.
But like the Bears had an opening. If you told
me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take
Ben Johnson eleven times out of ten, even though he's
not proven as a head coach, and Pete Carroll is.
But I'd be betting on upset. I'd be betting on
ability to connect with young players. I'd be betting on
(34:04):
a longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah,
I think that it's a real danger for a ton
of people that they just get caught in their way.
They get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve.
You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was
pitching these kids that like North Carolina was gonna be
like the thirty third NFL team. That just seems laughable now.
(34:28):
It's it seems so laughable that he thought that he
could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent
and just be a pipeline to the to the pros
plug from my book by the way, pipeline, the.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's an there's a
serious argument to me made. I've said this before. Men
are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines,
but we break up with somebody and don't even text.
We can get into wars, we can always rationalize getting
(35:03):
into wars. We can never get out of them. Men
are bad at exes. And I when somebody goes through something,
I put myself on that spot. I think what would
I would have done? And I look when Brady retired
in New England, and my take, just for selfishly, for legendary,
(35:23):
for legacy preservation, I would have said, listen, I owe
the Crafts one year of stability, and I'm going to
root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for
a player. Will never be the same franchise without Tom.
(35:43):
I'm going to stay for one year to just get
some stability here and get people kind of ready, and
then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of
a walk off here because if you remember, they get
Cam Newton. He praised Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime.
But you know it was okay, here comes mac Jones.
You know there was a real moment in time. Bill
(36:05):
didn't need the money and he knew the team wasn't
as good, and then he kind of stayed in state.
In fact, I made I said this on the air, Danny.
I said, I don't think this is true, but knowing
Bill's petty and grudge holding personality, go to that last
draft that Bill controlled slowest team in the league, two
(36:26):
kickers and three interior alignment. It was like he was saying,
I'm going to leave you with an awful roster. I
mean they need they At one point they drafted three
guards like two kickers and they had no speed. And
I think I really do if you look at that
last draft, when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it
(36:50):
was the decisions Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator. It was like
he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was set.
He wanted to humiliate the franchise. I know it sounds
crazy and I don't believe it's true, but it's not
the nuttiest thing I've ever said.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, no, that's a high bar to clear. Yeah, I mean,
he the Patricia the drafts, Like I think there's like
a real legitimate argument to make when you look at
the drafts and beyond the last one of like Bill
Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton to
(37:26):
be desired.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Oh God, on the offensive side, that's kind right exactly,
And so he is.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Someone asked me earlier, do you think this impacts his legacy,
because you kind of hinted at that. I don't think so. Like,
I think that it's humiliating right now. It's this is
very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I thought that,
like I said, I said it on FS one when
I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like, I don't
(37:54):
believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because
I don't believe he wants to do it. And now
he's just kind of seeing it through and it's clearly going.
But like in twenty years, when we're talking about the
greatest coaches of all time, he's gonna be on everyone's
mount rushmore. Like that's his legacy is secure. We don't
talk about my Wizards, we don't talk about EMMITTT. Smith
(38:16):
with the Cardinals, Like this is like a of the
moment thing. Now if you want to have the like
who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty? Brady or Belichick?
Pretty clear? Pretty clear, Pretty clear, even though like some
of the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was really Brady,
those were more Belichick, but like the majority of them
(38:39):
were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously Bill won
the or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa.
So like, if you're having that specific legacy conversation Brady
over Belichick, I think now is going to be not
a majority opinion, Like I think it's going to be
a consensus, but it's like greatest ball coach of coaches
(39:01):
of your lifetime. Like he's on one hand, I saw
you at a Jared Goff. You have him as a
Hall of famer.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
No, I said, he will be a Hall of Famer absolutely,
you know, since twenty seventeen, so that's going to be
nine years. He's like first in passing touchdowns first, Like
I think people are shocked he's had seven offensive coordinators.
He was great with six, Like he works with everybody,
and I think to me, that's always been it. It'd
(39:39):
be one thing if we're in TV and you had
this one great producer and the rest of your career
eight shows bombed. It's like, Okay, who was your partner?
Who was your producer? Seven coordinators? Six He's crushed, and
it's like, guys his I always think Hall of Fames
are great ten years. That's why I never understood the
(40:00):
Jim Rice. I know he wasn't he was difficult with
the press or something. But Jim Rice, when I was
a kid, was the best right handed American League power
hitter for a decade. Like it was just like he
was one of two. He and Fred Linn were the
Red Sox and like people went back and forth, and
I'm like, what ten years of greatness is hard for
your your peak maybe eight physical years. And so if
(40:23):
you look at Jared Goff, he has eight great years. Well,
this front office is so good. Amaran Saint Brown's in
his prime. The running backs one's young, one's not that old.
Panay Seoul has just entered his prime. He's going to
have three to four big years with Detroit or somebody.
Jared's a Hall of Famer and he's he's made no enemies.
(40:45):
Even McVeigh feels guilty for letting him go.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Well, definitely definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah,
and I mean Laporta and Jamison Williams are young, you know,
so yeah, he's got got plenty, plenty of young talent.
The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say
is because I love the Lions and they have been
my Super Bowl pick three years in a row, so
eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just the
(41:11):
stats thing, you know, like it's it's it's not like
he does he will need to hoist the trophy because,
like I think Stafford is in, because Stafford is going
to finish sixth all time in passing Yeah, Stafford's in.
I agree, and he has the trophy. But if Stafford
didn't have the trophy very hard, probably not, that's what.
(41:35):
But he's got numbers that are force. I mean, obviously
we'll see where Jared Goff ends up, but like it's
not like a guarantee that Jared Goff ends up top
five all time in passing yards.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
He might, but it helps. It does help, even though
it's not linear. It does help that Goff is better
with the Lions than Stafford was.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, yes, I mean you look at it.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And you're like god Goff crushed and Stafford now one
of them, Yes, the best young GM in the sport
or one of the best gms. So it's not apples
orange apples, right, it's different. But I do think there's
you know, that's just one of those things you look
at and you're like, well, golf one big in Detroit,
and we all know it's same ownership, right, you know,
(42:18):
quirky head coach and Dan Campbell he didn't have McVeigh.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, but I think that like like in a vacuum
in their prime starting a team, right Stafford, Yeah, right, exactly,
exactly and so and again that's also not the criteria
for the Hall of Fame. But I remember a GM
was like, my job is to evaluate individual talent amidst
(42:45):
the team sport. Like that's like the job of the
football general manager, right, and so like it's why I've
always been a big Herbert guy and like it just
I watch him and no, not everyone is a free agent.
We are not doing this to start a team. But
I'm like, that guy is one of the five best
at the position. He just doesn't have you don't have
the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime always
(43:08):
felt like the same type of thing to me, Like
I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to
build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Veach,
to give Brad Holmes the general manager of the Lions,
like the built to build around the great quarterback because
he is a Hall of Fame talent. And now I
do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that
(43:29):
he will ultimately get in golf. I think is going
to need a trophy, like if he has regular season
success and counting stats. The Pro Football Hall of Fame
is really tough to get into, so I think they're
gonna have to break through and start winning in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I want to end with this because it's kind of
a think piece. Derek Thompson writes for The Atlantic. He's
one of my favorite writers. He's got He's kind of
a theorist. He loves new data, he loves culture changes.
And last week he was talking and he acknowledges he
his center left and he admits it. You know, he
doesn't hide it. But I think he's a really interesting read.
(44:06):
I think he does a podcast for The Ringer. We
at the Volume, we weren't really interested in him we
didn't reach out, but he was one of the two
or three people that we were just fascinated with. And
he and it's really an interesting thing he brought up
this week. He was complaining about conservatives doing something and
he goes, but what equally drives me crazy is that
(44:27):
progresses in California. Many are against WAIMO and their take
is we are unemploying people, that this is not good
for jobs. And his argument was time out. We do
not want to be the party that's anti tech. The
Conservatives are anti science. We can't be anti tech. And
(44:49):
I read that and I thought it is fascinating. I
used to live in Oregon, very liberal, and gas stations
you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is
it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of
Oregon and it rains a lot. So I kind of
like somebody pumping my dass, to.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
You know, you're.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Touching stuff, So it's like I always kind of thought
it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal
and it's like that's good. So where would you fall
on this? It absolutely will create job losts. I mean,
there's no question uber drivers are in big trouble in California,
because I'm telling you where I live. Way Mo cars
(45:32):
are everywhere, Danny and I prefer them. Nothing against the driver,
but no driver.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants
to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car,
it gets there fast, and I'm a way Mo guy.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs.
As somebody you acknowledge your center left. What do you
do if you're a Democrat in California?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So on.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
My take is I'm pro technology, and nobody has a
right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village,
and because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or
the number of salmon you could catch, salmon, fishermen lost work.
And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of
a man of nature and a man of earth and
a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm
(46:27):
going into broadcasting. If radio die tomorrow, i don't have
a right to a job. And so it was like,
you know, just because you're a fisherman. At twenty eight,
doesn't mean you want at forty eight. Like states have legislation,
they protect our earth. So I'm for way MO, which
means I'm kind of four job loss. Where do you land?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, that's a good one, I think in I am
pro innovation and I am and like, there's a lot
of problems with capitalism, but it might be it's the
best we got, Like the kind of a play on
that the old you know, democracy is the worst form
of government except for all the other ways, you know,
(47:09):
and so like, are there problems with it? Yes, are
there unintended consequences, absolutely, But I don't think you want
to be in the business of stifling innovation because what's
the next thing that that would Like I'd be thrilled
if there was some level of innovation that made pediatric
(47:30):
cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it,
you know, And so like it's the type of thing
where like, just in general, innovation is good, Like the
easy Pass put tollbooth workers out of business, but it's
objectively better. We don't have to stop, we don't have
to keep coins in our car. We can just keep
(47:53):
going on our drive. But it put people out of
business for a better way of life. So I've never
been in a driver car before, so I'm glad that
I wouldn't be the test case for it. So like
I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's
going well. But like I think that type off if
they can do it, and they clearly can, and I
(48:15):
I'm aware of WIMO and I'm aware of the fact
that this is becoming more and more popular. Like it's
just going to lead to less auto crashes, It's going
to lead to people being safer, it's gonna lead fewer deaths.
It's gonna lead to fewer deaths. Oh right.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Question, Also, there are safety concerns with women and male
Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Tuber. There have
been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look
at the history of Uber, and I've been lots of lawsuits.
You eliminate that you eliminate. I mean, there's no question
the number of car desks will plummet in America.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
So like that to me, obvious negative is the job loss,
But there are so many also positives that come with
it that that one, to me is not terribly difficult
to be Like, yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm fine
with it. And in general, again, like I there's this
(49:09):
there was a story arc in The Wire, The Wired
Him He's the greatest television show ever, And that show
came out twenty years ago, twenty plus years ago about
like the the dock workers and how they could unload
and offload ships like cargo ships, big containers that weigh
you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And
(49:30):
there were the steve Indors were like, that's gonna put
us out of jobs. And they're like, yeah, but you're
not going to die on the job. And then the
steved Door's like, but I'd rather get injured on the
job and have a job. But that's not that's not
the point. The guy who developed the technology to offload
the cargo ship faster and more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries,
(49:54):
that guy created that company to do it. That was innovation,
it was progress, moving it forward. And so so it sucks.
And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I'm thirty.
I turned thirty nine in two weeks. I have no
idea what the next twenty years of media is going
to look like, and like what my career in this industry,
(50:14):
Cable television, cord cutting, podcasting. It keeps evolving. We have
to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people
have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't I
feel bad for the individual who would lose their job
enough to make me anti innovation and progress.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
I mean, listen, I did local TV sports that kind
of dried up.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Using a million dollars a year twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Correct, correct, exactly. That was a seven figure job into
the first part of the twenty first century. Like Mark
jing Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend covered like
the bulls, dynasties and all that. He was still making
north of a million dollars into the two thousands. Now,
the people that have that job low six figures and
(51:08):
nobody watches, you know, it's it's just a completely different ecosystem.
And that's just the that's the way of the world.
So are you are you? You're totally Have you ever
had an issue? By the way, WYMO, the vast majority
of people here have never been in a driver listening
to this has never been in a driverless car.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, I've been in three They're fantastic and I'm not
I'm not anti Uber. I've spent a lot of money
on Uber, but there is a gap in Uber drivers
and if you go, if you go the lower levels
of Uber. I had an Uber driver because I had
a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up
(51:46):
to my street and stopped in the middle of the street,
didn't pull into my driveway. There were thirty cars as
I walked on the road to get in and like
bowed my head and apologized and yeah, I mean yeah,
And it was the cheapest level of it because it
was like a six minute drive to the train station.
So like weimo, everybody's good, They're all the exact same.
(52:09):
There's no good, bad smelly. I mean, I've gotten into
Uber cars before and the music's loud and it smells
like hygiene issues. It's like it's rare, but it happens. Yeah,
And there's no question. I so I in Chicago, I
take an Uber every day, about a seven to ten
(52:30):
minute drive from where I work to otc OGLEV train station. Yeah,
the gap incompetency is startling. The volume
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