Colin’s top takes of the week.
First, Colin is joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Things First” on FS1.
They dive straight into the MASSIVE gambling & match fixing scheme that ended in the arrest of Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier and Damon Jones. They call it the “NBA’s Pete Rose” moment, and Danny argues Chauncey should be thrown out of the Hall of Fame if the allegations prove to be true (3:00).
They discuss the world of underground gambling & the history of the intersection of the mafia, gambling and sports and Danny explains why the level of regulation in legal betting is what caused the players to be caught tanking their player props (11:00).
They argue that these types of scandals will happen as long as the leagues are in bed with the sportsbook, but there’s no going back with the huge money involved, and it’s better to have props monitored and regulated rather than move underground. Danny argues that there’s a solid case to outlaw “under” player props (16:00).
They also recount Victor Wembanyama’s absolutely insane 40 point performance against the best frontline in the league and debate whether he’s already the best player in the league at 21 years old (26:00).
Then, Colin is joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the absolutely insane 4th quarter comeback for the Denver Broncos over the New York Giants (35:15), debate whether the Chiefs have regained their status as the best team in the NFL (47:45) and Colin argues that Shohei Ohtani is the greatest athlete EVER (53:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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just because he enjoys a little parlay from time to time,
but his Yeah, like tonight. But but it is a
(00:53):
It is something I think both of us feel strongly about.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Is I.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Always push back. I think the media, the mainstream media
sometimes can be really outdated and precious when it comes
to gambling. Europe's far ahead of us, has been for years.
And the truth is, and this is another criticism I
have of the media. They tend to pander and so
I don't think because there's more gambling opportunities, it's an
(01:22):
invitation to be an addict. I don't think more bars
are going to induce you into being alcoholic. I think
there are rules, there's laws. These are personal choices people make.
But I do think addiction is a sad tale because
many addicts are poor with no way out where Chauncey
(01:42):
Billups to me, Danny, the part of this that's just
mind boggling. Forget the fact that Chauncey Billups made over
one hundred million. He was always thought as a very
kind of smart, I would say, almost a coach while
he was playing. He was an adult in the room
that he played rigged poker games knowing they were rigged.
(02:07):
I'm I don't even I mean, if you'd have told me,
if you had to give me twenty names of people
and he was on it, I say, well, it's not
Chauncy that I know for sure. Is of all the
stuff on Rosier and Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones and
the Lakosa Nostra and the poker Chauncey played rigged poker
(02:28):
games and knew it?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To me?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Is the what what does that land? Similarly to you?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, of course, And I mean obviously we have to
say all of these things are like alleged at this
point that they've got some pretty damning specifics here, right,
So you know, let's just have the blanket their allegations
thing out of the way. And yes, Chauncey Billups's reputation
was sparkling. And you know, it appears that he also
(02:57):
is involved in the sports gambling one as that unidentified
person who played from this time to this time, and
then it was a coach from this time to this time,
and it was an Oregon resident like that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
We're going to talk about a lot of.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
This, but like, if that is true, Like, let's just
assume that the unnamed person in the sports gambling one
who fits the exact description of Chauncey Billups is Chauncey Billups.
I mean that is the NBA's version of Pete Rose. Yeah,
you have an NBA head coach tipping off a gambler
(03:32):
that they're gonna that he's gonna sit players so that
they should bet that they should bet the under like that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I mean, he's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Colin Like, can he get thrown out of the Hall
of Fame?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right, but I like that is on the table for
his basketball reputation if that is true, because I would
imagine he would not get thrown out of the Hall
of Fame for just the poker side of it. But
if he was, if it's proven that Chauncey Bill as
an NBA head coach, it was proven to letting gamblers
know what he was going to do with his players
(04:08):
for the purposes of betting unders on props, He'll never
be allowed around basketball ever again. And it's it would
be a startling fall from grace for one of the
guys with like a truly immaculate reputation within the game.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, like there are you know, I can think multiple
things at the same time. If he was a you know,
like when people have problems with addiction, and I don't
know if this is addiction, but when people have problems
with addiction, there's varying levels of it. I mean, I
had somebody close to me that drank for fifty years
(04:45):
and stone cold stop at sixty four and has never
touched it. And it's like, and I've heard multiple stories
of that. My dad didn't have that ability. So some
of it's genetic. Some people are wired to be able
to stop stuff. I don't have an obsessive compulsive personality,
so I don't I don't have that. I have I
worked once in the Pacific Northwest with somebody who had
(05:09):
moderation issues with food and gambling and behavior, and it
was it was scary a person could not control everything
from food intake to temper to gambling. So I don't
know if that's the issue, but Chauncey certainly could seek
help and could afford help. What really bothers me with Chauncey, though,
(05:30):
is the rigged poker games, because that's more sinister to me.
It's it's one thing, well, it's it's stealing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's just it's it's it's just it's it's it is
it is stealing. I mean, listen, So I've played in
like I played cards, Nick and I have played cards
together forever. Nick at this point is a much more
accomplished poker player than I ever was, But I have
so I've lived in Chicago, Syracuse, Kansas City, and now
(05:59):
New York. I have played in what are technically illegal
poker games every place I've ever lived. Because what makes
a poker game illegal is if a place takes a
rake they take if they take a vig right, like
like you go to a casino and you play poker,
(06:20):
maybe they'll cap it at twenty bucks a hand. It's
a percentage of the pot up to a certain amount
and then it's capped. And that's how like the house
makes their money. And so like if you go to
a guy's house and he's got a table running and
he's got a dealer and you know, you drink for
free and they maybe order pizzas for the room or
whatever the case may be, Like how do they pay
(06:41):
for that? How does the guy make his money? They
take a rig, They take a vig out of the game, right,
A rake is what it's called in poker, and that's
like technically illegal, but it's not a big deal, Like
it's not, it's just everybody does it for forever. But
if and when you go to any game that isn't
in a casino, you of course have like a you
are some fear of like is the game on the
(07:03):
up and up? Do the players know each other? Is
the dealer in on it? Like that is like a
thing that you take on some level of risk, which
is why it's like quote unquote safer to go play
in Vegas, to go play in Atlantic City, to go
play in you know, the casinos in Chicago or wherever.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So that's where I would normally play.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But I've found myself in these games before, and you
it's in the back of your mind, but it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Is what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But if the allegations about Chauncey Billups that the dealer
was in on it, the other players were in on it,
and he was.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
As the the.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Letter of the love with their what the FBI guy
was alleging is that he was what they called the
face card. Play in a game with Chauncey Billups, which
is what would get big Fish with money.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh my god, I've got money.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I can play ten thousand dollars buy in poker games
with an NBA with a Hall of Famer, and I
get to meet him and take pictures or whatever. And
then if Chauncey Billups also knew, which is what they're alleging, Yeah,
I mean he's he's a common criminal.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Like it's it's just it is. It is.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It is the It is the same thing of going
into someone's house and robbing them of their jewelry.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It is It is theft. There's nothing there, no other
way to describe it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it was. You know. I I'm much older than
you and My first job was in Las Vegas, and
I came in there pretty naively to Las Vegas and
I covered Jerry Tarkanian and Tar was always fully aware
of the casinos. There were some I could name a
couple of guys that were around the program. One of
(08:39):
the things Tark had, like I remember this, like forty
free tickets. That's unbelievable, Like Jim Herrick at UCLA had
like four. You know, Tark had like forty and by
the way, he would give them to a guy I know,
we used to call him a track suit Tony. He
would give him thirty five of the tickets, thirty six
(09:02):
of the tickets, and Mike would sell those tickets and
bring back you know, yeah, you know. And then there
was another guy named Larry. I'm not going to say
his last name. He had a big business on the side.
And you know, there was always these feelings that these
guys aren't you know, I don't know about these guys,
but I knew the guys. They were fine, they were
just like guys around Tark. But there was always reputations
(09:26):
Tark hangs around. In my take was guys, they're not
mafia members, like they owned businesses they're just kind of
they want to be. You know, tark was the biggest
celebrity not named Steve Wynn or Mike Tyson in town.
But and I there was a lot of talk through
the years, and I just didn't buy into it because
I the only time I've seen Tark turned gray is
(09:47):
when I brought up gambling, and he's like, it terrifies me.
He just like changed personality goes it terrifies me. And
it was Tim Gergerich and those guys, they and Lois Tarkanian,
and they really educated the players. And then one day
the administration was trying to get tark out, including the
athletic director at the time, and a picture a Sunday
(10:07):
morning Las Vegas Review Journal of Moses Scurry, Anderson Hunt
and David Butler in a hot tub with Richie the
fixer Perry, and so I was like, oh, program over.
So that obviously the ad found the picture, they got
it to the you know, newspaper. So I was right.
Suddenly I was a crime reporter and it's just no fun.
(10:31):
You know, I'm like twenty nine years old. I want
to talk Mike Tyson. I'm talking about Richie the Fixer
Perry and nothing was ever really proven, And I still
to this day would defend that program to the ends
of the earth. On any of the gambling stuff. Tark
constantly pled with his players to stay out of these casinos.
(10:51):
But I think one of the things I said today
is since the chariots in Rome mafia gambling sports, you
just have to understand it's not because it's now legalized.
It happened to Henry Hill in the seventies at Boston College.
Too many people are jumping to see this is the
problem with you know, Fan Duel. My take is, guys,
(11:15):
my take is you're really naive. In fact, i'd say
it's more regulated now, and it's arguable it's more monitored now.
My take is these stories are good actually because it
fishes out the bad actors.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Okay, there's a level of nuance to this. As I
see it, it is objectively true that the way that
these players got caught Jonte Porter Rogier like for tanking
their unders is because it was legal. Like it's the
(11:52):
regulation is what allowed it to be caught. On day one,
if if Terry Rosier's player prop of nine and a
half points is posted and normally that gets two thousand
dollars worth of action across a bunch of ten fifty
one hundred dollars bets and then one day there's mid
(12:15):
five figures of action that gets flagged. Yeah, and it
gets notified and the site fan Duel, DraftKings, hard Rock, whomever,
and the league their interests on.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That are aligned.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yes, because if the NBA wants the integrity of the
game and the gambling company doesn't want to lose money.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, in Vegas, the margins for sports betting in Vegas
and twenty twenty five or thin.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right exactly, So like they're they are catching that quicker
and more accurately, literally the day it happens in all
of these cases that have come up because of the regulation.
So like the idea that it is like happening more
(13:05):
because of it, they're gonna also catch it. I will
say though that like it is easier to gamble, yes,
because it is legal. It is easier to have a phone,
have access to a debit card. Like when I started
online gambling when I was fifteen, sixteen years old, it
(13:28):
was like it was like offshore and you had to
it wasn't that high of a barrier of entry.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But It was like, are you going to get paid?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Do you have to buy a phone like an international
calling card to deposit? Did you have to wire money?
Would your bank accept the check? It was a whole
big run around. Now it is just like much easier,
And there have been studies done on Twitter, Instagram, all
these apps on our phone that they are they're programmed
(13:57):
like slot machines to get you to keep check the
pings and the notifications and the lights to get you
to keep walking past.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's just like Silicon Valley's algorithms. They want you on
the phone. Well, so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So I do think that it would also equally be
naive to dismiss the barrier of entry to gambling being
easier than ever before, pretending like that does not have
a causal link to an increased amount of problematic gambling behavior,
(14:31):
primarily in young men. Right, Like, I do think that
those numbers are going up and will stay up, but
it ain't going away, yeah, right, Like prohibition doesn't work
to your point, It doesn't work with alcohol, it doesn't
work with weed, It doesn't work with gambling. It doesn't
(14:51):
it doesn't work. It doesn't work with sex.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It doesn't work with anything, never has, so it never has.
So you know, I've I've read really smart columnists on
this story, and you know, a lot of the conclusions
are similar, and it is, you know, like the leagues
got embedded the gambling companies. That comes with a cost.
Was it worth it? And those the leagues are all
(15:17):
universally going to say yes, yes, you know, and like
there there are so these stories are going to happen
and it's.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It sucks Danny, but.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I do I do think it is an unavoidable cost
of the legalization of sports gambling.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Listen,
Hollywood called Saudi Arabia money, blood money. It's a complicated world.
Now Hollywood's taking Saudi money, right, So when I hear
people say, well live, oh stop, there's a real truth
(15:54):
out here. The Puritans are always people that don't get
offered things. Chris Rock, you're as you know, you're as
loyal as your options. The internet trolls, the anonymous people,
they're always the most unified in their pristine views of
the world. And the truth is, if you're offered stuff,
(16:15):
people eventually take it, they justify it. Saudi money was
viewed one way and then now it's not. And the
reality is everybody networks, Hollywood leagues, everybody accepts it. And
I look at sports gambling again, there's a little bit
(16:36):
of a link with alcohol where I think, listen, I leagues,
for instance, stadiums cut off alcohol sales and like the
seventh inning, like we're serving it, but we're stopping at
the seventh you know, bars, you know, tell people enough.
My concern is I think the prop bets prop bets
on your phone are dangerous. But if you ban that,
(17:00):
well then it goes to the unregulated market, and that's
worth so to me correct. I would just rather have
all this crap monitor I want all gambling monitored closely.
And then I mean, like one of the problems I
think I think there's yeah, yeah, sorry, so sorry.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think I think the prop that thing is an
interesting like I do think.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I I wonder if it is.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
If there's an interesting thought though to like.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
If you're if it's a like.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What the level of player is that should have a
two way prop market offered? Like should I be able
to bet the under on the eighth guy on the
NBA team and his prop is like six and a
half points, Like I don't I don't know, Like maybe
they shouldn't be two way markets, and that's bad. That's me,
(17:49):
that's bad for me as the gambler. Yeah, because like
normally you get way worse odds if they are just
one way market because people like playing overs, so those
things get like inflated, Like the sharp money is often
to bet unders because people like betting overs. Right, But
I do wonder if a potential solve for this is
(18:09):
you can bet Terry Rogiers over and you cannot bet,
but you cannot bet is on it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I think that there's that that might be a way
to help in the prop market a little bit, because
that is a legitimate problem, Like that is a legitimate
integrity of the game issue. And again I feel like
the leagues and the gambling companies, like the gambling company
might scoff a little bit, that's gonna cost us some money,
(18:37):
and the league's gonna say deal with it, Like you
want to be partners with the NBA, the NFL, Major
League Baseball, be our official gambling partner, Like you've got
to take that one percent like, people aren't gonna just
they're not gonna stop gambling.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
There's gonna gamble on something different, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So that I've been thinking about it a lot, I
feel like maybe that's a potential solve.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Is just are no more two way markets on player
props our brains work similarly, because I thought about this
interview I was doing with you tonight, and I was
thinking about prop bets, and I'm like, well, well, I
don't want it to go to the unregulated markets. That's nonsense.
You can't. I mean, you just don't have the same radar.
But I do think my mind went to the same thing,
is just no under bets, because then it can be
(19:20):
manipulated by you know, the whole thing. Like Tim Donneghey
always said, I wasn't trying to change outcomes. I just
called more fouls to get the over right. And I've
always been more concerned with officials. So I had to
scrap my lead today, literally twenty minutes to go, I
(19:44):
scrapped my lead we had. I thought I was getting
a cash battel on the show. What happened? Wow? Yeah?
I thought it was hot? Yeah wow. I hope everybody
realizes that in thirty minutes against the best you're on
line in the league Wemby did wilt forty points, no turnovers?
(20:08):
Oh hell yeah, let's talk about it. Okay, it's timeout.
What is he twenty two? Yeah? Okay, forty points, thirty minutes,
three blocks, no turnovers, fifteen rebounds lost in all of this,
that's one of the top five lines in league history.
Thirty minutes in forty he shot seventy percent from the
(20:29):
floor in Dallas has the best front line in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, it it broke my basketball brain. Like I I
feel like, listen, I have loved him ever since I've
seen him as a prospect. Everyone has. I've talked about
him in like pretty like lofty terms because of what
he can be, but the maturity of the offensive game
(20:56):
that he showed last night. I put together like a
list of superlatives today on first things. First that I
ran past Nick in the segment that we do together
on Thursdays, and I was like, like, which of these
do you think at the end of his career, we're
going to be able to cross out the names of
the guys who currently have the records and it's going
(21:16):
to be him. So like three guys have the record
for most defensive Player of the Year awards with four. Oh,
he'll win twelve, That's what I'm saying. I but it's
like Ben Wallace, Rudy Gobert, they have four. Like I would,
I would lay minus five hundred that he gets more
than four defense. I mean, obviously the game minimum threshold
(21:39):
is like the only impediment to that. But like he's
twenty two, he's gonna. I agree, twelve is on the board.
Only player ever to win the scoring title and defensive
Player of the Year Michael Jordan did it once. Feels
like when Benyama could be the second.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Think you know what I thought about watching him last night?
What's that? I always had this feeling that if you
did a one on one tournament, Michael and Lebron Kevin
Durant would be up there. Yeah, the bigs Giannis would
be good, but he doesn't have the ability, you know,
because there would be three in the key to make
(22:18):
it fair. I looked at that and I thought to myself,
I'm not sure how many points Lebron in his prime
would score on Wimby. I'm not sure he blocked a shot,
he got a rebound over Derek Lively last night and
Jay Billis said it, Lively six'. Eleven he looked like
a sixth. Grader he blocked a. Shot these guys that
(22:42):
are six ten and, long they turn, Around wemby moves
off his. Player he's blocking the ball near the, elbow
somewhere between the rest and the. Elbow AND i think to,
myself if you added six inches To Kevin durant and
had the same quickness and a little more, Length Like
(23:05):
i'm watching him And i'm, Like i'm not really sure
how you defend. It you don't really.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Defend, This, no you. Don't you don't defend, It and
LIKE i Just i've been thinking about, it like basically all.
DAY i think we're going to just see things that
we've never seen before that we're not even going to
fully realize what we're. Seeing, like, uh he did something
(23:29):
last year THAT i like demanded we get into breakfast
ball Because i'm, LIKE i promise, you no one cares
about this, game BUT i promise you no one's ever seen.
This he shot a three pointer and it was, like you,
know he's like fading back a little bit on the,
three like a pure jump, shot like he wasn't like
running towards the. Hoop he shot up a normal three,
pointer and he could tell off his hand that it was.
(23:53):
Long so he lands from the jumper and charges and
he tip. Slammed he put like a putback slam his
own missed three. Pointer like we've seen that on free,
throws but on a three. Pointer it was.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Insane, Yeah AND.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I just think we're gonna, See we're gonna, like did
he take two dribbles from half court and?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Dunk you?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
KNOW i THINK i think we're gonna just like start
to like. Recap we're gonna have to like recalibrate what
is actually.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Possible That's. Mike there's a story About Mike. Krzyzewski AND
i Think Mark few was there In Jim. Bayheim it
Was olympic basketball and it was one of their first
looks At lebron playing in a, practice AND i had
heard this. STORY i don't know if it was from
a friend Of Jay billis or it was somebody That
AND i like by the Way jay billis on pro.
(24:47):
BASKETBALL i think he does a good. JOB i really.
DO i think he really he.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Clearly, Cares he clearly he does his. Homework he keeps
it to the. Game he's very.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Good, Yeah jay's pretty good the AND i think it
was a friend Of Ja billis that told Me jay
had told. Him they were doing a practice And skrzyzewski
was at half, court kind of arms, folded sitting back
on the, bench and there was a loose ball And
lebron picked it up full, steam swooped in to pick
(25:15):
it up and dribbled twice and dunked, it And shrzewski
just was beside. Himself he's, like that's six, dribbles maybe
five With Jordan and it was to your, point Like
skrzyzewski was taken back by. It he turned to The
beheim or few or both and just, went what did
(25:36):
we just? Watch Steve kirk through a, friend told a
story one of the first times he had to Face
lebron and it was just, LIKE i, GIVE i don't
even know, Whatever like what do you want me to?
Do SO i THINK i Think wemby. SIMILARLY i JUST
i was watching with my. WIFE i, said see that
(25:59):
guy in the shoes that are the bright. SHOES i
see he'll probably be the best player in the league
this time next. Year AND i said it Today luca
And sga can't dominate a game on the defensive, end
And giannis can't, shoot you, know beyond sixteen. Feet jokic
is a more complete offensive, player moderate mid defensive player
(26:19):
by The All star, BREAK i, Mean Jesus danny six more?
Games like last, night is he the second best player
in the?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
League, YEAH i, mean like SO i think that this
is it all depends on how we define. This LIKE
i always define that question by like the literal definition
of what that, means like a scouts, eye like the
best basketball, player basketball people and media really just not just,
(26:47):
basketball BECAUSE i think we do it in football. Too we,
like LIKE i don't Think Tom brady is the best
quarterback BECAUSE i he is the most. Accomplished sure he
is the. Goat, yeah but like but like best quarterback
is not goat to?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Me to me because because because it's like.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
A scouting, term, right the guy last night's the best,
Player wemby Is wemby is the best player because LET'S
i obviously agree with, You jokich is a better offensive.
Player he's a better Passed, yeah, yeah, SURE i, Agree
but like how much better is he? Offensively ten? Percent fifteen?
(27:30):
Percent is he twenty percent better. Offensively wemby is one
hundred percent better defensively Than. Yoki, so like you know
WHAT i mean the gap Between Like nick was saying
today That Anthony davis would have been like the number
one pick in the draft to like Guard, WEMBY i
would say it would be, honest, younger, stronger more like
(27:54):
like stronger basically Than Anthony. Davis but like they're. Both
it's they're two of the top three or four guys
that you would choose to try to guard to Guard.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Wemby but so like.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
The gap Between wemby and the second best defensive player
in basketball is The Atlantic ocean compared to the gap
Between jokic and the second best offensive player in, basketball, Right,
like so he's, incredible yeah and SO I but in
(28:26):
basketball we usually, say like you have to do it
in the. Playoffs you have to win AN, mvp you
have to win a title before you can have like
the best player alive. TITLE i don't. AGREE i personally
am Like Aaron rodgers in his, Prime Patrick mahomes in his.
Prime they're better Than Tom brady Or Drew. Brees they're
(28:47):
not yet. MORE i Mean mahomes is actually not more
accomplished Than, Breeze but like you know WHAT i, mean
like they're not have more yards.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Whatever but.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That guy last, night he's gonna have a quadruple double this.
Year it's only happened four times in the history of the.
League it would not surprise no one's ever done it
more than. Once David robinson did it, ONCE A keen
did it. Once it would not at all surprise. Me
If Victor wenbinyama has multiple quadruple bubbles this season at twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Two years, old he's the best. Player that was a
wild late window on a day and made. Chili it
was raining and. Cool it felt like the. Fall what
a wild late. Window The Denver broncos final five possessions
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with Bow knicks, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown walk off field.
Goal so Bow. Knicks not only did The New York
giants lead nineteen to, nothing they were totally dominating the.
Game denver roars back for a thirty three thirty two
win over The New York. GIANTS i gotta tell, you
If i'm A giants, FAN i feel strangely. Great Jackson
(29:58):
dart on the what we pursue as the game winning
drive plays with total. CONFIDENCE i didn't like the pass
interference call considering the, CONSEQUENCES i didn't love that. Call you,
know pass interference is such a, nebulous hard call to begin.
With BUT i gotta be honest about Bow. NICKS i
said this last, week AND i said it the week.
(30:19):
Before john first two years in the league as a.
Quarterback if you can, run, run it'll buy a first.
Downs these defenses are. Sophisticated this is not The Big,
ten THE sec or the you KNOW acc the windows,
shrink the coordinators are. Better you have to pick up
first downs with your. LEGS i thought, today especially in
the second, Half Sean payton let Bow knicks run on crucial.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Downs, YEAH i, Mean, colin it looked really. UGLY i
mean there was a point in. TIME i mean they
had to score thirty three points in the fourth quarter
to win the.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Game they didn't have a.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Point you, know there was a STAT i saw going
out of the first half that over the last of,
course the last three, games that they would be dead
last in third down conversion FOR i, mean they were.
Atrocious they were just going three and. Out they couldn't
sustain any. Drives he kept missing the big plays and
then it just. FLIPPED i, mean the one thing you
can't deny that he. Has he's got some mental. Fortitude
(31:11):
And Sean payton what looked like was the game winning.
Touchdown they ran like a quarterback, power you, know and
they just let. Him if you remember a long time,
ago the forty nine ers With Alex smith Played Sean
payton in a playoff game with The. Saints they did
the same, thing AND i you know that. Quarterback they
should institute more stuff like that With bowen their offense
because they've been running these deep breaking. Routes he's been missing.
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Them keep it, shorter short, intermediate run the. BALL i
didn't think they ran the ball. Enough i'm with you
on The, giants LIKE i. Won their quarterback just looks
like he's kind of got a little. SOMETHING i, mean
he looks, Yeah Cam scataboo looks. Fantastic their pass rushers
all look. Good, listen it's not going. Well they've lost
two devastating.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Games this is The. Cowboy this is worse than The cowboy.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Game but you, know i'd, say big, picture you're, okay
but this Was it looked for a second When denver
was getting shut, out and even when they were down
what twenty six to. Eight you're, like, well The chiefs
are on the transcending up In denver's just got some
major offensive. Problems The chargers are kind of are The
chiefs just gonna run away with this? Division and then
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it's THE nfl and.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Flipped you, KNOW i was Thinking John DeShawn because they
really do The Broncos Between, Evan, Ingram, Mims Sutton, franklin
they have long athletic and guys that can get over the. Top,
yeah and their offensive line is right now rated number
one or two BY, pff AND i wonder If sean
has so much confidence in. It he's he's really looking
(32:39):
for big. Plays and the truth is this is only
like twenty twenty four or five starts for Bow. Nicks,
Okay he's so it's almost like he's coaching like he's
got Because bo played so much college. Football it's almost
as If sean has put a ton on his. Back
and Because shawn LOVES i, Mean ingram's a stud, physically
he doesn't even look like The he's like AN nba.
(32:59):
Guy and Then mims And, sudden these are, long rangy
athletes and they're all, talented and so that they have
the potential for big, plays but SOMETIMES i think they
should worry more about like five yards on first down
and a lot of it would be Bow knicks. Packages
BECAUSE i mean again when you watch him and you
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see it With Jackson, dart these guys are born early
in their. Career they want to. Run they know how
good the. DEFENSE i, Mean Jackson, dart we thought scored
the winning. Touchdown they literally called a play For they
said For Deet scataboo Bow knicks quarterback. Draw SO i,
mean clearly day ball Truss Jackson dart to. RUN i
(33:41):
MEAN i just WHEN i watch Bon, NICKS i see the,
skeptics but he is an.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Athlete, YEAH i MEAN i would run the ball.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
MORE.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Jk DOBBINS i thought looked really. GOOD i mean when
they get on the edges with their offensive. Line the
young running BACK. Rj harvey looks. Good how About. HUFUNGA
i mean it has to be one of the better
season pickups in the. League he made play after play
today in the middle of the game to kind of
sleep it.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Close Between George, Pickens dallas acquisition And. Hufunga those are great,
talents but they're they're just great fits. NOW i, Mean
hufungo was gonna work. Anywhere pickens is going to be
as good as his, quarterback And dack's absolutely on. Fire
you know what did open it, Up Jackson dart had
one big mistake. Today it was that. Interception they were
leading twenty six sixteen five forty in the fourth and
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he had it was an ugly pick by. Him it
was actually a great. Catch, SO i mean.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
It was the only Way denver get back in the.
Game they were going to need a. Turnover they were
down twenty eight or twenty six to, eight you, know
with seven minutes. Left the only way you could come
back was a, turnover and he gifted them one on
their side of the.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Field so we've seen Boon nicks do this multiple. TIMES
i do think this is. True. JOHN i think those
sixty one college, starts coupled With Sean payton's play, calling
this is what we always talk. About who where you
land in THE nfl. Matters nicks a lot of college
starts and a lot of harsh environments At oregon At,
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washington big big. Games all that college STUFF i think's paid.
Off Bo nix has been in a lot of close
games college and.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
PRO i do, wonder you, know forever With Drew, brees
especially toward the latter end of his, career like pushing
the ball down his field is his you, know shoulder
started to go And sean really wanted this, athletic physical
guy In Taysom hill and it didn't quite work. Out
now he Has Bo, nicks who has the physical capability
of pushing the ball down the field and throwing. Bombs
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it feels like he's very inclined to throw a lot
of go routes even though it's not, working because he's
been dreaming about throwing go routes for a, decade even,
though like you, said With sutton and some of their longer,
GUYS i don't pretend to no more football Than, peyton
but it just clearly is not. WORKING i think some
of the back shoulder, throws some just you, know running
the intermediate passing. Game that's where their skill, sets especially
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with the Way bo's, playing because right now his inaccuracy
on the long, ball he just can't hit them way.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Off even on the pass did they hit that ended
up leading the game winning field.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
GOAL i just think he kind of threw it up
for two, guys AND i don't even know who he
was thrown it, to but it. Worked and LIKE i
just think down the, field he's not very, accurate more
close and he had a lot of balls batting. Today
that's a little concust he. DID i, mean that's clearly
a game plan thing with the. Defense put your hands.
Up he's not the tallest. Guy felt like he had
like ten balls. BATTED i know the numbers probably like.
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Five but there was a stretch in that game how
many times on second or third down ball would just
hit the. Ground and you just have a waste.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Of play.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
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it wasn't one of the better, games But Kansas city
Beat Las vegas thirty one to. Nothing The raiders were
held in ninety five total, yards and in the last,
(37:37):
month The chiefs are averaging thirty two points a. Game
AND i was sitting there this, MORNING i really believe
the NFL's come down to four. Tiers first tier Is Kansas.
City it looks like the best team in the. League
then there's several Teams tampa among, Them, Rams, Detroit, Philadelphia
colts that appear to be really, good solid football. Teams
(37:59):
Maybe denvers and they're maybe. Not there's three awful Teams, Titans, Jets,
dolphins Probably. Cleveland but then there's about twenty one to twenty.
Two Jeff schwortz said this today on the internet coin,
flips and so we've got a great, team a small
handful of good teams a really small handful of awful
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like bottom of THE nba level, teams and then most
of these games are it's a lot of coin flip.
STUFF i, mean maybe The raiders are, awful but today's
a Great. Yeah so today this is the first time
all Year kansas that he had their top three. Receivers
rice had seven, Catches worthy had, Three juju. THREE i
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THINK i told you two weeks, ago keep your eye
On Breshard. Smith that kid's going to end up being
a really good player for. Them Hollywood. Brown now you
look at their receiving corps With rice And worthy and you're, like,
oh it's one of the deeper wide receiving. CORES i,
MEAN i just it was forty two to seventeen time of.
(39:03):
POSSESSION i mean to, Me Kansas city clearly looks like
the best, speed the most, depth the best team hands
down in the. League that's what my eyes tell.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
ME i think one major difference this year and the
way they look on offense they did last. Year Hollywood
brown basically missed the entire season for him last, season
he adds an element of JUST i wouldn't say He's
Tyreek hill by any means from a speed, standpoint but
he is a faster, receiver but he can catch ball's
intermediate go over the. Middle he makes a lot of
plays for him to, me you put him With. Juju
(39:34):
Now rice is, back it's kind of opened everything up
Because travis looks way.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Better part of last.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Year was, Like travis looks really bad and looking, back
clearly he's an older veteran, player but everything was so
condensed because they had no threat.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Outside so now you Add Hollywood, brown who's completely.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Healthy juju And patrick have a good. Chemistry rice now
back in the mix With, worthy you can spread the
field out and open the middle of the field for
eighty seven to. Operate because to Meet travis over the last,
MONTH i don't want to say he looks like himself
in his, prime but he definitely looks way better than
the guy THAT i thought was kind of over the
hill last.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Year and part of it.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is he's not quite fast enough just to take on
two guys. Anymore but if he can get one on
one coverage and just work zones and what he does,
best as he's doing right, now their offense feels much more.
Balanced and like you, said The smith, KID i think FROM.
Smu they drafted the seventh round to go With pachaco
And Kareem. Hunt their offense just has a lot of
pros like, now guys LIKE i.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Want to replace this. GUY i want to replace this.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Guy maybe not Like hall Of fame guys in their,
peak but just a well rounded. BUNCH i, mean.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Their star left tackle has disappeared for a.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Couple, games got some personal stuff going, on so whenever
they get him. Back, interior their offensive lines. Excellent their
QUARTERBACK i thought's been playing well all, season and, TODAY
i mean. SPAGS i don't quite understand what's up with The,
raiders but, THEY i mean. They Patrick mahomes had sunflower
season had on at the end of the third, quarter
which is pretty unheard of in THE.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Nfl Colin WELL afc had their, Chances but The ravens
are one in, five The bills have lost two, straight
and The chargers now are just beat. Up let's. Time
want to tell you. Something if you didn't watch The Chargers,
colts don't blame it On Justin. Herbert he's getting hell
kicked out of them and he is just sitting back
there throwing. Darts BUT i kind of look At kansas
city and it drives people. Crazy but this, league for
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as long AS i can, remember you can go back
To eddie De bartolow And Bill walsh And Joe. Montana
it's a leadership league if you're good at the. TOP i,
mean you, know you go look at The New York
giants fall from. Grace they Lose Tom, kafflin they Lose Eli.
MANNING i don't think they were ever great at general,
manager but they were. Capable and it's just never been the.
(41:42):
Same it's just very Hard john to. Find as you,
know there's no Other Andy reid in the. League And
Brett veach is one of the great mid round draft
guys in the. League and The hunt family is mostly hands,
off and Then mahomes is uniquely. Gifted and it's JUST
i always feel sort of like in college, football like
(42:03):
if You're Notre dame or You're georgia and you hire
the wrong coach Or michigan or something like, that you,
know one of those, schools it's easier to catch, up you,
know it's. Easier Once Lincoln riley came TO, usc their
offensive recruiting got, better right, like and they may not
win this or, that but the offense got really, good
really fast because he knows what he's. Doing us he's
a big. Brand it's easier for blue. Bloods If alabama
(42:24):
Gets kaylin De borie struggles for a, Year nick, say
but It's, Alabama like it's a huge. Brand AND i
kind of feel that Like Kansas, city it's like if
they have a bad draft or they have, injuries they're
just so. SMART i, mean, OWNER gm, president, quarterback like
everybody's AN a to AN a. Plus SO i JUST
(42:45):
i think the last couple of years it's they can't
figure out the offensive. LINE i watch him the last
four weeks to average thirty two a. GAME i just
they look different than everybody. Else, OKAY i want to
wrap with. This SO i always thought the greatest athlete
not the most. Dominant serena is probably the most, dominant
Or Michael phelps and swimming is the most, Dominant Usain.
(43:07):
Bolt but the greatest ATHLETE i THOUGHT i had ever
seen was a guy Named Carl. Lewis So Carl lewis
was in track and. Field it was a very unique,
personality not really appealing to the, MASSES i. Guess but
in nineteen eighty four he goes to The La, olympics
and he wins one hundred, meters the two hundred, meter
the long, JUMP i, mean winning any of those. Sensational
he wins all of, them and he wins a four
by one, hundred so he wins like four. Golds then
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he goes To soeul in eighty eight and he mostly duplicates.
It then he goes To barcelona in ninety two and
he mostly duplicates. It and forget The PanAm games or
The Goodwill games or The World championships In tokyo And
helsinki And, Stuttgarten rome or wherever they. Are then he
comes back To atlanta in ninety, six starts in eighty
four ninety. SIX i, mean there was just like a
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twelve year. Period it Was, PanAm, Goodwill World, Championships. Olympics
he was dominated in. Everything and Then i'm Watching Tawny
friday And i'm, Like, Babe ruth did not pitch and hit.
Simultaneously and remember the split. Finger fastball kind of came
into baseball in the seventies or eighties With Bruce. Souiter
(44:12):
Remember Bruce, suer he pitched for The cardinals And. Cubs
he was a relief. Pitcher he want to sigy up
and he was A he was the first guy to
throw a split finger. Fastball Babe ruth didn't face that
stuff that those guy's in the twenties and thirties and forties,
fifties they weren't facing split finger. Fastball For otani to
walk into this, sport to be a power, hitter to
have that speed to hit for, average to be a dominant.
(44:36):
Ace he may have one of the top five splitters in.
Baseball his, fastball he punches Out Jackson curio in the
first inning at one. Hundred all of his off speed
breaking stuff is above. Average it's very. Good then he
hits it out of the. Stadium BUT i was sitting
there watching And i'm, like, think how Good Reggie jackson.
WAS i, Mean Reggie jackson Was World series MVP's iconic
(44:58):
five hundred and fifty pl home. Runs Reggie jackson was
a terrible, fielder didn't run the, bases not a good.
TEAMMATE i think O toanni is the greatest Athlete i've ever.
SEEN i, Mean Michael jordan wasn't a great. Passer he
wasn't a great deep ball. Shooter he was a great
offensive mid range, player rest relentless and a great on ball.
Defender But i'm Watching o'tani And i'm.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Like he's a top top eight.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
PITCHER i, mean he's a top base stealer when he wants.
TO i JUST i sat there watching And i'm, Like
jesus to just be an elite. Pitcher, hell guys can't stay.
Healthy Snell, glass No, dodgers nobody can stay. HEALTHY i
(45:45):
just watching that, GAME i, thought this is the greatest
single Athlete i've ever seen in any. Sport that was
my take on.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
It, well it's definitely the greatest game that's ever been.
Played ten, strikeouts three home runs in THE, Nlcs, like
that's something you see the kid in little league that's
going to be on all the travel. Teams that's years.
Old you wouldn't Even you'd be hard pressed to find
that in high, school you. KNOW i THINK la this
year had a couple guys who were drafted in the top,
ten like high school. PLAYERS i would be shocked because
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typically now that they focus on, one they're not playing both.
Ways so if the guy's in the league, pitcher he's just.
Pitching if the guy's an leite hit or he's just playing.
SHORTSTOP i vividly remember when he first started playing For,
anaheim because you had heard all this hype and The
giants tried to sign him coming out Of. JAPAN i
didn't realize how tall and fast he, was AND i
remember like a ball that most power hitters do not
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make it a. Second he not only made it a,
second he was there.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
With ease and he went holy.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Shit but you see that guy's If Shoheo tani was
born In Los angeles Or, Dallas texas or.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Something he's probably a quarterback right. Potentially he's six foot,
five two hundred and ten.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Pounds he's definitely playing a lot of different sports growing.
Up who, knows maybe basketball as. WELL i mean maybe
because he's athletically he's an elite. Athlete, yes you, know
you watch The. Yankees it's like the other players looked the.
Same you watched THE i remember two years ago going
to a spring training game With maria and we had
really good seats AND i was, LIKE i, Thought Mookie
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betts is an outfielder and he's playing short and second.
Base i'm, like this is. Insane it's like this GUY
i THOUGHT i thought he played like right field in center,
field he can play shortstop and he had to play
in this series that looked Like Grek jeter is, like
so they're two best. Players AND i, saw you, Know
Matt Muney, smith he, yeah Called charger games with him
(47:28):
AND dj came. DOWN i played golf with them like last.
Year BUT i saw this clip that he posted Interviewing
Andrew friedman and he's, like what do you say to
everyone saying you just bought this? Team and he's, like
we play all these teams that have all these star player,
players AND i see none of them out, early you,
know three o'clock in the. Afternoon you come out and
you watch The Dodgers Mookie, BETTS, shoeo all of our star,
(47:49):
Players Freddie freeman are doing extra work Like Peyton, Manning
Tom Brady Tiger wood.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Style so it's like this isn't random their.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Greatness obviously they have freak, talents but like clearly from
a team building, standpoint like really they kind of got
like A patriot vibe going like they're all just it's,
like this is a serious. Group now obviously show, hey you,
know because he didn't pitch that well this, year no,
grant he was coming back out the. Injury but he's
got a pitch like that and hit like. That it's,
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like there's never been that home. Run, Listen i'm A
Barry i'm A giants fan at. Heart that's A Barry
bonds level home run on the cream and the clear With, balco,
RIGHT i, mean that's that was That that was. Insane
how far that ball you can see? It do you
remember When barry hit the ball Against anaheim in the
Two World series AND i Think Tim salmon was in
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The it was in the dugout and he, mouthed that's
the farthest Ball i've ever seen. Hit, obviously you Know
barry was kind of a mutant by. Then The dodgers
faces in the dugout all kind of had that. VIBE i,
Know i've never seen a ball hit this far.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Ever, yeah it's just it's just remarkable to watch. Him and,
one you, Know i've said, THIS i think The dodgers
are the best run organization In North. America Mack monci
The a's cut. HIM i, Mean Tommy edmund was a
two sixty hitter In Saint. Louis he was a good.
Fielder cardinals were, like we don't want to pay. Him
he was THE NLCS. MVP i, Mean glassno's always had
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good stuff six, seven but he can't stay. Healthy so let,
mean there's no question they can. Roll what The dodgers
biggest advantage isn't just like Oh otani because other teams
could have paid for, Him but great players want to
play for The dodgers Because otani comes UP i five
to The. Dodgers he has better people hitting in front
of him and behind, him and the pressure isn't for
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him to go four for. Four Oh tani had a
terrible series until that Game. Friday he couldn't. Hit SO
i think it's it's like one of these. Things there's
a reason five star players want to go play For
Ohio state Or georgia because you're surrounded by better, players,
Right and it's like that if you're a great Like
Freddie freeman was playing For, atlanta but it's, like look
who's hitting in front of, Me look who's hitting behind?
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Me you get better?
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Pitches WELL i would say, this you would Say otani
and move he. Bets you, Know manny And poppy were incredible,
power but neither of them could. RUN i mean it's
got to be when you talk about all around. Game
the two most talented players that have ever played. TOGETHER i,
mean how do you beat that offensively and. Defensively you've
seen a lot of these duos one two just. MASH
(50:17):
i bet you Know mannel And garrig if we go
back to the history of the, sport but we've never
seen two guys that are this good on. Defense and
one guy can pitch ten strikeouts against the team that
just won ninety seven. Games it's not like he's playing
a team that won eighty. GAMES i mean that team
was weren't The brewers Of? Powerhouse and then they go
like a month without losing a, game.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Six six nothing in the regular. Season the volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Parkins is the perfect guest today for the show, not
just because he enjoys a little parlay from time to time,
but his Yeah, like tonight. But but it is a
(00:53):
It is something I think both of us feel strongly about.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Is I.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Always push back. I think the media, the mainstream media
sometimes can be really outdated and precious when it comes
to gambling. Europe's far ahead of us, has been for years.
And the truth is, and this is another criticism I
have of the media. They tend to pander and so
I don't think because there's more gambling opportunities, it's an
(01:22):
invitation to be an addict. I don't think more bars
are going to induce you into being alcoholic. I think
there are rules, there's laws. These are personal choices people make.
But I do think addiction is a sad tale because
many addicts are poor with no way out where Chauncey
(01:42):
Billups to me, Danny, the part of this that's just
mind boggling. Forget the fact that Chauncey Billups made over
one hundred million. He was always thought as a very
kind of smart, I would say, almost a coach while
he was playing. He was an adult in the room
that he played rigged poker games knowing they were rigged.
(02:07):
I'm I don't even I mean, if you'd have told me,
if you had to give me twenty names of people
and he was on it, I say, well, it's not
Chauncy that I know for sure. Is of all the
stuff on Rosier and Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones and
the Lakosa Nostra and the poker Chauncey played rigged poker
(02:28):
games and knew it?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To me?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Is the what what does that land? Similarly to you?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, of course, And I mean obviously we have to
say all of these things are like alleged at this
point that they've got some pretty damning specifics here, right,
So you know, let's just have the blanket their allegations
thing out of the way. And yes, Chauncey Billups's reputation
was sparkling. And you know, it appears that he also
(02:57):
is involved in the sports gambling one as that unidentified
person who played from this time to this time, and
then it was a coach from this time to this time,
and it was an Oregon resident like that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
We're going to talk about a lot of.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
This, but like, if that is true, Like, let's just
assume that the unnamed person in the sports gambling one
who fits the exact description of Chauncey Billups is Chauncey Billups.
I mean that is the NBA's version of Pete Rose. Yeah,
you have an NBA head coach tipping off a gambler
(03:32):
that they're gonna that he's gonna sit players so that
they should bet that they should bet the under like that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I mean, he's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Colin Like, can he get thrown out of the Hall
of Fame?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right, but I like that is on the table for
his basketball reputation if that is true, because I would
imagine he would not get thrown out of the Hall
of Fame for just the poker side of it. But
if he was, if it's proven that Chauncey Bill as
an NBA head coach, it was proven to letting gamblers
know what he was going to do with his players
(04:08):
for the purposes of betting unders on props, He'll never
be allowed around basketball ever again. And it's it would
be a startling fall from grace for one of the
guys with like a truly immaculate reputation within the game.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, like there are you know, I can think multiple
things at the same time. If he was a you know,
like when people have problems with addiction, and I don't
know if this is addiction, but when people have problems
with addiction, there's varying levels of it. I mean, I
had somebody close to me that drank for fifty years
(04:45):
and stone cold stop at sixty four and has never
touched it. And it's like, and I've heard multiple stories
of that. My dad didn't have that ability. So some
of it's genetic. Some people are wired to be able
to stop stuff. I don't have an obsessive compulsive personality,
so I don't I don't have that. I have I
worked once in the Pacific Northwest with somebody who had
(05:09):
moderation issues with food and gambling and behavior, and it
was it was scary a person could not control everything
from food intake to temper to gambling. So I don't
know if that's the issue, but Chauncey certainly could seek
help and could afford help. What really bothers me with Chauncey, though,
(05:30):
is the rigged poker games, because that's more sinister to me.
It's it's one thing, well, it's it's stealing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's just it's it's it's just it's it's it is
it is stealing. I mean, listen, So I've played in
like I played cards, Nick and I have played cards
together forever. Nick at this point is a much more
accomplished poker player than I ever was, But I have
so I've lived in Chicago, Syracuse, Kansas City, and now
(05:59):
New York. I have played in what are technically illegal
poker games every place I've ever lived. Because what makes
a poker game illegal is if a place takes a
rake they take if they take a vig right, like
like you go to a casino and you play poker,
(06:20):
maybe they'll cap it at twenty bucks a hand. It's
a percentage of the pot up to a certain amount
and then it's capped. And that's how like the house
makes their money. And so like if you go to
a guy's house and he's got a table running and
he's got a dealer and you know, you drink for
free and they maybe order pizzas for the room or
whatever the case may be, Like how do they pay
(06:41):
for that? How does the guy make his money? They
take a rig, They take a vig out of the game, right,
A rake is what it's called in poker, and that's
like technically illegal, but it's not a big deal, Like
it's not, it's just everybody does it for forever. But
if and when you go to any game that isn't
in a casino, you of course have like a you
are some fear of like is the game on the
(07:03):
up and up? Do the players know each other? Is
the dealer in on it? Like that is like a
thing that you take on some level of risk, which
is why it's like quote unquote safer to go play
in Vegas, to go play in Atlantic City, to go
play in you know, the casinos in Chicago or wherever.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So that's where I would normally play.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But I've found myself in these games before, and you
it's in the back of your mind, but it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Is what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But if the allegations about Chauncey Billups that the dealer
was in on it, the other players were in on it,
and he was.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
As the the.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Letter of the love with their what the FBI guy
was alleging is that he was what they called the
face card. Play in a game with Chauncey Billups, which
is what would get big Fish with money.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh my god, I've got money.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I can play ten thousand dollars buy in poker games
with an NBA with a Hall of Famer, and I
get to meet him and take pictures or whatever. And
then if Chauncey Billups also knew, which is what they're alleging, Yeah,
I mean he's he's a common criminal.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Like it's it's just it is. It is.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It is the It is the same thing of going
into someone's house and robbing them of their jewelry.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It is It is theft. There's nothing there, no other
way to describe it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it was. You know. I I'm much older than
you and My first job was in Las Vegas, and
I came in there pretty naively to Las Vegas and
I covered Jerry Tarkanian and Tar was always fully aware
of the casinos. There were some I could name a
couple of guys that were around the program. One of
(08:39):
the things Tark had, like I remember this, like forty
free tickets. That's unbelievable, Like Jim Herrick at UCLA had
like four. You know, Tark had like forty and by
the way, he would give them to a guy I know,
we used to call him a track suit Tony. He
would give him thirty five of the tickets, thirty six
(09:02):
of the tickets, and Mike would sell those tickets and
bring back you know, yeah, you know. And then there
was another guy named Larry. I'm not going to say
his last name. He had a big business on the side.
And you know, there was always these feelings that these
guys aren't you know, I don't know about these guys,
but I knew the guys. They were fine, they were
just like guys around Tark. But there was always reputations
(09:26):
Tark hangs around. In my take was guys, they're not
mafia members, like they owned businesses they're just kind of
they want to be. You know, tark was the biggest
celebrity not named Steve Wynn or Mike Tyson in town.
But and I there was a lot of talk through
the years, and I just didn't buy into it because
I the only time I've seen Tark turned gray is
(09:47):
when I brought up gambling, and he's like, it terrifies me.
He just like changed personality goes it terrifies me. And
it was Tim Gergerich and those guys, they and Lois Tarkanian,
and they really educated the players. And then one day
the administration was trying to get tark out, including the
athletic director at the time, and a picture a Sunday
(10:07):
morning Las Vegas Review Journal of Moses Scurry, Anderson Hunt
and David Butler in a hot tub with Richie the
fixer Perry, and so I was like, oh, program over.
So that obviously the ad found the picture, they got
it to the you know, newspaper. So I was right.
Suddenly I was a crime reporter and it's just no fun.
(10:31):
You know, I'm like twenty nine years old. I want
to talk Mike Tyson. I'm talking about Richie the Fixer
Perry and nothing was ever really proven, And I still
to this day would defend that program to the ends
of the earth. On any of the gambling stuff. Tark
constantly pled with his players to stay out of these casinos.
(10:51):
But I think one of the things I said today
is since the chariots in Rome mafia gambling sports, you
just have to understand it's not because it's now legalized.
It happened to Henry Hill in the seventies at Boston College.
Too many people are jumping to see this is the
problem with you know, Fan Duel. My take is, guys,
(11:15):
my take is you're really naive. In fact, i'd say
it's more regulated now, and it's arguable it's more monitored now.
My take is these stories are good actually because it
fishes out the bad actors.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Okay, there's a level of nuance to this. As I
see it, it is objectively true that the way that
these players got caught Jonte Porter Rogier like for tanking
their unders is because it was legal. Like it's the
(11:52):
regulation is what allowed it to be caught. On day one,
if if Terry Rosier's player prop of nine and a
half points is posted and normally that gets two thousand
dollars worth of action across a bunch of ten fifty
one hundred dollars bets and then one day there's mid
(12:15):
five figures of action that gets flagged. Yeah, and it
gets notified and the site fan Duel, DraftKings, hard Rock, whomever,
and the league their interests on.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That are aligned.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yes, because if the NBA wants the integrity of the
game and the gambling company doesn't want to lose money.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, in Vegas, the margins for sports betting in Vegas
and twenty twenty five or thin.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right exactly, So like they're they are catching that quicker
and more accurately, literally the day it happens in all
of these cases that have come up because of the regulation.
So like the idea that it is like happening more
(13:05):
because of it, they're gonna also catch it. I will
say though that like it is easier to gamble, yes,
because it is legal. It is easier to have a phone,
have access to a debit card. Like when I started
online gambling when I was fifteen, sixteen years old, it
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was like it was like offshore and you had to
it wasn't that high of a barrier of entry.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But It was like, are you going to get paid?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Do you have to buy a phone like an international
calling card to deposit? Did you have to wire money?
Would your bank accept the check? It was a whole
big run around. Now it is just like much easier,
And there have been studies done on Twitter, Instagram, all
these apps on our phone that they are they're programmed
(13:57):
like slot machines to get you to keep check the
pings and the notifications and the lights to get you
to keep walking past.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's just like Silicon Valley's algorithms. They want you on
the phone. Well, so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So I do think that it would also equally be
naive to dismiss the barrier of entry to gambling being
easier than ever before, pretending like that does not have
a causal link to an increased amount of problematic gambling behavior,
(14:31):
primarily in young men. Right, Like, I do think that
those numbers are going up and will stay up, but
it ain't going away, yeah, right, Like prohibition doesn't work
to your point, It doesn't work with alcohol, it doesn't
work with weed, It doesn't work with gambling. It doesn't
(14:51):
it doesn't work. It doesn't work with sex.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It doesn't work with anything, never has, so it never has.
So you know, I've I've read really smart columnists on
this story, and you know, a lot of the conclusions
are similar, and it is, you know, like the leagues
got embedded the gambling companies. That comes with a cost.
Was it worth it? And those the leagues are all
(15:17):
universally going to say yes, yes, you know, and like
there there are so these stories are going to happen
and it's.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It sucks Danny, but.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I do I do think it is an unavoidable cost
of the legalization of sports gambling.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Listen,
Hollywood called Saudi Arabia money, blood money. It's a complicated world.
Now Hollywood's taking Saudi money, right, So when I hear
people say, well live, oh stop, there's a real truth
(15:54):
out here. The Puritans are always people that don't get
offered things. Chris Rock, you're as you know, you're as
loyal as your options. The internet trolls, the anonymous people,
they're always the most unified in their pristine views of
the world. And the truth is, if you're offered stuff,
(16:15):
people eventually take it, they justify it. Saudi money was
viewed one way and then now it's not. And the
reality is everybody networks, Hollywood leagues, everybody accepts it. And
I look at sports gambling again, there's a little bit
(16:36):
of a link with alcohol where I think, listen, I leagues,
for instance, stadiums cut off alcohol sales and like the
seventh inning, like we're serving it, but we're stopping at
the seventh you know, bars, you know, tell people enough.
My concern is I think the prop bets prop bets
on your phone are dangerous. But if you ban that,
(17:00):
well then it goes to the unregulated market, and that's
worth so to me correct. I would just rather have
all this crap monitor I want all gambling monitored closely.
And then I mean, like one of the problems I
think I think there's yeah, yeah, sorry, so sorry.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think I think the prop that thing is an
interesting like I do think.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I I wonder if it is.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
If there's an interesting thought though to like.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
If you're if it's a like.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What the level of player is that should have a
two way prop market offered? Like should I be able
to bet the under on the eighth guy on the
NBA team and his prop is like six and a
half points, Like I don't I don't know, Like maybe
they shouldn't be two way markets, and that's bad. That's me,
(17:49):
that's bad for me as the gambler. Yeah, because like
normally you get way worse odds if they are just
one way market because people like playing overs, so those
things get like inflated, Like the sharp money is often
to bet unders because people like betting overs. Right, But
I do wonder if a potential solve for this is
(18:09):
you can bet Terry Rogiers over and you cannot bet,
but you cannot bet is on it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I think that there's that that might be a way
to help in the prop market a little bit, because
that is a legitimate problem, Like that is a legitimate
integrity of the game issue. And again I feel like
the leagues and the gambling companies, like the gambling company
might scoff a little bit, that's gonna cost us some money,
(18:37):
and the league's gonna say deal with it, Like you
want to be partners with the NBA, the NFL, Major
League Baseball, be our official gambling partner, Like you've got
to take that one percent like, people aren't gonna just
they're not gonna stop gambling.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
There's gonna gamble on something different, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So that I've been thinking about it a lot, I
feel like maybe that's a potential solve.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Is just are no more two way markets on player
props our brains work similarly, because I thought about this
interview I was doing with you tonight, and I was
thinking about prop bets, and I'm like, well, well, I
don't want it to go to the unregulated markets. That's nonsense.
You can't. I mean, you just don't have the same radar.
But I do think my mind went to the same thing,
is just no under bets, because then it can be
(19:20):
manipulated by you know, the whole thing. Like Tim Donneghey
always said, I wasn't trying to change outcomes. I just
called more fouls to get the over right. And I've
always been more concerned with officials. So I had to
scrap my lead today, literally twenty minutes to go, I
(19:44):
scrapped my lead we had. I thought I was getting
a cash battel on the show. What happened? Wow? Yeah?
I thought it was hot? Yeah wow. I hope everybody
realizes that in thirty minutes against the best you're on
line in the league Wemby did wilt forty points, no turnovers?
(20:08):
Oh hell yeah, let's talk about it. Okay, it's timeout.
What is he twenty two? Yeah? Okay, forty points, thirty minutes,
three blocks, no turnovers, fifteen rebounds lost in all of this,
that's one of the top five lines in league history.
Thirty minutes in forty he shot seventy percent from the
(20:29):
floor in Dallas has the best front line in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, it it broke my basketball brain. Like I I
feel like, listen, I have loved him ever since I've
seen him as a prospect. Everyone has. I've talked about
him in like pretty like lofty terms because of what
he can be, but the maturity of the offensive game
(20:56):
that he showed last night. I put together like a
list of superlatives today on first things. First that I
ran past Nick in the segment that we do together
on Thursdays, and I was like, like, which of these
do you think at the end of his career, we're
going to be able to cross out the names of
the guys who currently have the records and it's going
(21:16):
to be him. So like three guys have the record
for most defensive Player of the Year awards with four. Oh,
he'll win twelve, That's what I'm saying. I but it's
like Ben Wallace, Rudy Gobert, they have four. Like I would,
I would lay minus five hundred that he gets more
than four defense. I mean, obviously the game minimum threshold
(21:39):
is like the only impediment to that. But like he's
twenty two, he's gonna. I agree, twelve is on the board.
Only player ever to win the scoring title and defensive
Player of the Year Michael Jordan did it once. Feels
like when Benyama could be the second.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Think you know what I thought about watching him last night?
What's that? I always had this feeling that if you
did a one on one tournament, Michael and Lebron Kevin
Durant would be up there. Yeah, the bigs Giannis would
be good, but he doesn't have the ability, you know,
because there would be three in the key to make
(22:18):
it fair. I looked at that and I thought to myself,
I'm not sure how many points Lebron in his prime
would score on Wimby. I'm not sure he blocked a shot,
he got a rebound over Derek Lively last night and
Jay Billis said it, Lively six'. Eleven he looked like
a sixth. Grader he blocked a. Shot these guys that
(22:42):
are six ten and, long they turn, Around wemby moves
off his. Player he's blocking the ball near the, elbow
somewhere between the rest and the. Elbow AND i think to,
myself if you added six inches To Kevin durant and
had the same quickness and a little more, Length Like
(23:05):
i'm watching him And i'm, Like i'm not really sure
how you defend. It you don't really.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Defend, This, no you. Don't you don't defend, It and
LIKE i Just i've been thinking about, it like basically all.
DAY i think we're going to just see things that
we've never seen before that we're not even going to
fully realize what we're. Seeing, like, uh he did something
(23:29):
last year THAT i like demanded we get into breakfast
ball Because i'm, LIKE i promise, you no one cares
about this, game BUT i promise you no one's ever seen.
This he shot a three pointer and it was, like you,
know he's like fading back a little bit on the,
three like a pure jump, shot like he wasn't like
running towards the. Hoop he shot up a normal three,
pointer and he could tell off his hand that it was.
(23:53):
Long so he lands from the jumper and charges and
he tip. Slammed he put like a putback slam his
own missed three. Pointer like we've seen that on free,
throws but on a three. Pointer it was.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Insane, Yeah AND.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I just think we're gonna, See we're gonna, like did
he take two dribbles from half court and?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Dunk you?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
KNOW i THINK i think we're gonna just like start
to like. Recap we're gonna have to like recalibrate what
is actually.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Possible That's. Mike there's a story About Mike. Krzyzewski AND
i Think Mark few was there In Jim. Bayheim it
Was olympic basketball and it was one of their first
looks At lebron playing in a, practice AND i had
heard this. STORY i don't know if it was from
a friend Of Jay billis or it was somebody That
AND i like by the Way jay billis on pro.
(24:47):
BASKETBALL i think he does a good. JOB i really.
DO i think he really he.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Clearly, Cares he clearly he does his. Homework he keeps
it to the. Game he's very.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Good, Yeah jay's pretty good the AND i think it
was a friend Of Ja billis that told Me jay
had told. Him they were doing a practice And skrzyzewski
was at half, court kind of arms, folded sitting back
on the, bench and there was a loose ball And
lebron picked it up full, steam swooped in to pick
(25:15):
it up and dribbled twice and dunked, it And shrzewski
just was beside. Himself he's, like that's six, dribbles maybe
five With Jordan and it was to your, point Like
skrzyzewski was taken back by. It he turned to The
beheim or few or both and just, went what did
(25:36):
we just? Watch Steve kirk through a, friend told a
story one of the first times he had to Face
lebron and it was just, LIKE i, GIVE i don't
even know, Whatever like what do you want me to?
Do SO i THINK i Think wemby. SIMILARLY i JUST
i was watching with my. WIFE i, said see that
(25:59):
guy in the shoes that are the bright. SHOES i
see he'll probably be the best player in the league
this time next. Year AND i said it Today luca
And sga can't dominate a game on the defensive, end
And giannis can't, shoot you, know beyond sixteen. Feet jokic
is a more complete offensive, player moderate mid defensive player
(26:19):
by The All star, BREAK i, Mean Jesus danny six more?
Games like last, night is he the second best player
in the?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
League, YEAH i, mean like SO i think that this
is it all depends on how we define. This LIKE
i always define that question by like the literal definition
of what that, means like a scouts, eye like the
best basketball, player basketball people and media really just not just,
(26:47):
basketball BECAUSE i think we do it in football. Too we,
like LIKE i don't Think Tom brady is the best
quarterback BECAUSE i he is the most. Accomplished sure he
is the. Goat, yeah but like but like best quarterback
is not goat to?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Me to me because because because it's like.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
A scouting, term, right the guy last night's the best,
Player wemby Is wemby is the best player because LET'S
i obviously agree with, You jokich is a better offensive.
Player he's a better Passed, yeah, yeah, SURE i, Agree
but like how much better is he? Offensively ten? Percent fifteen?
(27:30):
Percent is he twenty percent better. Offensively wemby is one
hundred percent better defensively Than. Yoki, so like you know
WHAT i mean the gap Between Like nick was saying
today That Anthony davis would have been like the number
one pick in the draft to like Guard, WEMBY i
would say it would be, honest, younger, stronger more like
(27:54):
like stronger basically Than Anthony. Davis but like they're. Both
it's they're two of the top three or four guys
that you would choose to try to guard to Guard.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Wemby but so like.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
The gap Between wemby and the second best defensive player
in basketball is The Atlantic ocean compared to the gap
Between jokic and the second best offensive player in, basketball, Right,
like so he's, incredible yeah and SO I but in
(28:26):
basketball we usually, say like you have to do it
in the. Playoffs you have to win AN, mvp you
have to win a title before you can have like
the best player alive. TITLE i don't. AGREE i personally
am Like Aaron rodgers in his, Prime Patrick mahomes in his.
Prime they're better Than Tom brady Or Drew. Brees they're
(28:47):
not yet. MORE i Mean mahomes is actually not more
accomplished Than, Breeze but like you know WHAT i, mean
like they're not have more yards.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Whatever but.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That guy last, night he's gonna have a quadruple double this.
Year it's only happened four times in the history of the.
League it would not surprise no one's ever done it
more than. Once David robinson did it, ONCE A keen
did it. Once it would not at all surprise. Me
If Victor wenbinyama has multiple quadruple bubbles this season at twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Two years, old he's the best. Player that was a
wild late window on a day and made. Chili it
was raining and. Cool it felt like the. Fall what
a wild late. Window The Denver broncos final five possessions
(29:35):
with Bow knicks, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown walk off field.
Goal so Bow. Knicks not only did The New York
giants lead nineteen to, nothing they were totally dominating the.
Game denver roars back for a thirty three thirty two
win over The New York. GIANTS i gotta tell, you
If i'm A giants, FAN i feel strangely. Great Jackson
(29:58):
dart on the what we pursue as the game winning
drive plays with total. CONFIDENCE i didn't like the pass
interference call considering the, CONSEQUENCES i didn't love that. Call you,
know pass interference is such a, nebulous hard call to begin.
With BUT i gotta be honest about Bow. NICKS i
said this last, week AND i said it the week.
(30:19):
Before john first two years in the league as a.
Quarterback if you can, run, run it'll buy a first.
Downs these defenses are. Sophisticated this is not The Big,
ten THE sec or the you KNOW acc the windows,
shrink the coordinators are. Better you have to pick up
first downs with your. LEGS i thought, today especially in
the second, Half Sean payton let Bow knicks run on crucial.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Downs, YEAH i, Mean, colin it looked really. UGLY i
mean there was a point in. TIME i mean they
had to score thirty three points in the fourth quarter
to win the.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Game they didn't have a.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Point you, know there was a STAT i saw going
out of the first half that over the last of,
course the last three, games that they would be dead
last in third down conversion FOR i, mean they were.
Atrocious they were just going three and. Out they couldn't
sustain any. Drives he kept missing the big plays and
then it just. FLIPPED i, mean the one thing you
can't deny that he. Has he's got some mental. Fortitude
(31:11):
And Sean payton what looked like was the game winning.
Touchdown they ran like a quarterback, power you, know and
they just let. Him if you remember a long time,
ago the forty nine ers With Alex smith Played Sean
payton in a playoff game with The. Saints they did
the same, thing AND i you know that. Quarterback they
should institute more stuff like that With bowen their offense
because they've been running these deep breaking. Routes he's been missing.
(31:34):
Them keep it, shorter short, intermediate run the. BALL i
didn't think they ran the ball. Enough i'm with you
on The, giants LIKE i. Won their quarterback just looks
like he's kind of got a little. SOMETHING i, mean
he looks, Yeah Cam scataboo looks. Fantastic their pass rushers
all look. Good, listen it's not going. Well they've lost
two devastating.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Games this is The. Cowboy this is worse than The cowboy.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Game but you, know i'd, say big, picture you're, okay
but this Was it looked for a second When denver
was getting shut, out and even when they were down
what twenty six to. Eight you're, like, well The chiefs
are on the transcending up In denver's just got some
major offensive. Problems The chargers are kind of are The
chiefs just gonna run away with this? Division and then
(32:15):
it's THE nfl and.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Flipped you, KNOW i was Thinking John DeShawn because they
really do The Broncos Between, Evan, Ingram, Mims Sutton, franklin
they have long athletic and guys that can get over the. Top,
yeah and their offensive line is right now rated number
one or two BY, pff AND i wonder If sean
has so much confidence in. It he's he's really looking
(32:39):
for big. Plays and the truth is this is only
like twenty twenty four or five starts for Bow. Nicks,
Okay he's so it's almost like he's coaching like he's
got Because bo played so much college. Football it's almost
as If sean has put a ton on his. Back
and Because shawn LOVES i, Mean ingram's a stud, physically
he doesn't even look like The he's like AN nba.
(32:59):
Guy and Then mims And, sudden these are, long rangy
athletes and they're all, talented and so that they have
the potential for big, plays but SOMETIMES i think they
should worry more about like five yards on first down
and a lot of it would be Bow knicks. Packages
BECAUSE i mean again when you watch him and you
(33:20):
see it With Jackson, dart these guys are born early
in their. Career they want to. Run they know how
good the. DEFENSE i, Mean Jackson, dart we thought scored
the winning. Touchdown they literally called a play For they
said For Deet scataboo Bow knicks quarterback. Draw SO i,
mean clearly day ball Truss Jackson dart to. RUN i
(33:41):
MEAN i just WHEN i watch Bon, NICKS i see the,
skeptics but he is an.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Athlete, YEAH i MEAN i would run the ball.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
MORE.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Jk DOBBINS i thought looked really. GOOD i mean when
they get on the edges with their offensive. Line the
young running BACK. Rj harvey looks. Good how About. HUFUNGA
i mean it has to be one of the better
season pickups in the. League he made play after play
today in the middle of the game to kind of
sleep it.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Close Between George, Pickens dallas acquisition And. Hufunga those are great,
talents but they're they're just great fits. NOW i, Mean
hufungo was gonna work. Anywhere pickens is going to be
as good as his, quarterback And dack's absolutely on. Fire
you know what did open it, Up Jackson dart had
one big mistake. Today it was that. Interception they were
leading twenty six sixteen five forty in the fourth and
(34:27):
he had it was an ugly pick by. Him it
was actually a great. Catch, SO i mean.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
It was the only Way denver get back in the.
Game they were going to need a. Turnover they were
down twenty eight or twenty six to, eight you, know
with seven minutes. Left the only way you could come
back was a, turnover and he gifted them one on
their side of the.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Field so we've seen Boon nicks do this multiple. TIMES
i do think this is. True. JOHN i think those
sixty one college, starts coupled With Sean payton's play, calling
this is what we always talk. About who where you
land in THE nfl. Matters nicks a lot of college
starts and a lot of harsh environments At oregon At,
(35:04):
washington big big. Games all that college STUFF i think's paid.
Off Bo nix has been in a lot of close
games college and.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
PRO i do, wonder you, know forever With Drew, brees
especially toward the latter end of his, career like pushing
the ball down his field is his you, know shoulder
started to go And sean really wanted this, athletic physical
guy In Taysom hill and it didn't quite work. Out
now he Has Bo, nicks who has the physical capability
of pushing the ball down the field and throwing. Bombs
(35:33):
it feels like he's very inclined to throw a lot
of go routes even though it's not, working because he's
been dreaming about throwing go routes for a, decade even,
though like you, said With sutton and some of their longer,
GUYS i don't pretend to no more football Than, peyton
but it just clearly is not. WORKING i think some
of the back shoulder, throws some just you, know running
the intermediate passing. Game that's where their skill, sets especially
(35:55):
with the Way bo's, playing because right now his inaccuracy
on the long, ball he just can't hit them way.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Off even on the pass did they hit that ended
up leading the game winning field.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
GOAL i just think he kind of threw it up
for two, guys AND i don't even know who he
was thrown it, to but it. Worked and LIKE i
just think down the, field he's not very, accurate more
close and he had a lot of balls batting. Today
that's a little concust he. DID i, mean that's clearly
a game plan thing with the. Defense put your hands.
Up he's not the tallest. Guy felt like he had
like ten balls. BATTED i know the numbers probably like.
(36:26):
Five but there was a stretch in that game how
many times on second or third down ball would just
hit the. Ground and you just have a waste.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Of play.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
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it wasn't one of the better, games But Kansas city
Beat Las vegas thirty one to. Nothing The raiders were
held in ninety five total, yards and in the last,
(37:37):
month The chiefs are averaging thirty two points a. Game
AND i was sitting there this, MORNING i really believe
the NFL's come down to four. Tiers first tier Is Kansas.
City it looks like the best team in the. League
then there's several Teams tampa among, Them, Rams, Detroit, Philadelphia
colts that appear to be really, good solid football. Teams
(37:59):
Maybe denvers and they're maybe. Not there's three awful Teams, Titans, Jets,
dolphins Probably. Cleveland but then there's about twenty one to twenty.
Two Jeff schwortz said this today on the internet coin,
flips and so we've got a great, team a small
handful of good teams a really small handful of awful
(38:21):
like bottom of THE nba level, teams and then most
of these games are it's a lot of coin flip.
STUFF i, mean maybe The raiders are, awful but today's
a Great. Yeah so today this is the first time
all Year kansas that he had their top three. Receivers
rice had seven, Catches worthy had, Three juju. THREE i
(38:42):
THINK i told you two weeks, ago keep your eye
On Breshard. Smith that kid's going to end up being
a really good player for. Them Hollywood. Brown now you
look at their receiving corps With rice And worthy and you're, like,
oh it's one of the deeper wide receiving. CORES i,
MEAN i just it was forty two to seventeen time of.
(39:03):
POSSESSION i mean to, Me Kansas city clearly looks like
the best, speed the most, depth the best team hands
down in the. League that's what my eyes tell.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
ME i think one major difference this year and the
way they look on offense they did last. Year Hollywood
brown basically missed the entire season for him last, season
he adds an element of JUST i wouldn't say He's
Tyreek hill by any means from a speed, standpoint but
he is a faster, receiver but he can catch ball's
intermediate go over the. Middle he makes a lot of
plays for him to, me you put him With. Juju
(39:34):
Now rice is, back it's kind of opened everything up
Because travis looks way.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Better part of last.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Year was, Like travis looks really bad and looking, back
clearly he's an older veteran, player but everything was so
condensed because they had no threat.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Outside so now you Add Hollywood, brown who's completely.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Healthy juju And patrick have a good. Chemistry rice now
back in the mix With, worthy you can spread the
field out and open the middle of the field for
eighty seven to. Operate because to Meet travis over the last,
MONTH i don't want to say he looks like himself
in his, prime but he definitely looks way better than
the guy THAT i thought was kind of over the
hill last.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Year and part of it.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is he's not quite fast enough just to take on
two guys. Anymore but if he can get one on
one coverage and just work zones and what he does,
best as he's doing right, now their offense feels much more.
Balanced and like you, said The smith, KID i think FROM.
Smu they drafted the seventh round to go With pachaco
And Kareem. Hunt their offense just has a lot of
pros like, now guys LIKE i.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Want to replace this. GUY i want to replace this.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Guy maybe not Like hall Of fame guys in their,
peak but just a well rounded. BUNCH i, mean.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Their star left tackle has disappeared for a.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Couple, games got some personal stuff going, on so whenever
they get him. Back, interior their offensive lines. Excellent their
QUARTERBACK i thought's been playing well all, season and, TODAY
i mean. SPAGS i don't quite understand what's up with The,
raiders but, THEY i mean. They Patrick mahomes had sunflower
season had on at the end of the third, quarter
which is pretty unheard of in THE.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Nfl Colin WELL afc had their, Chances but The ravens
are one in, five The bills have lost two, straight
and The chargers now are just beat. Up let's. Time
want to tell you. Something if you didn't watch The Chargers,
colts don't blame it On Justin. Herbert he's getting hell
kicked out of them and he is just sitting back
there throwing. Darts BUT i kind of look At kansas
city and it drives people. Crazy but this, league for
(41:20):
as long AS i can, remember you can go back
To eddie De bartolow And Bill walsh And Joe. Montana
it's a leadership league if you're good at the. TOP i,
mean you, know you go look at The New York
giants fall from. Grace they Lose Tom, kafflin they Lose Eli.
MANNING i don't think they were ever great at general,
manager but they were. Capable and it's just never been the.
(41:42):
Same it's just very Hard john to. Find as you,
know there's no Other Andy reid in the. League And
Brett veach is one of the great mid round draft
guys in the. League and The hunt family is mostly hands,
off and Then mahomes is uniquely. Gifted and it's JUST
i always feel sort of like in college, football like
(42:03):
if You're Notre dame or You're georgia and you hire
the wrong coach Or michigan or something like, that you,
know one of those, schools it's easier to catch, up you,
know it's. Easier Once Lincoln riley came TO, usc their
offensive recruiting got, better right, like and they may not
win this or, that but the offense got really, good
really fast because he knows what he's. Doing us he's
a big. Brand it's easier for blue. Bloods If alabama
(42:24):
Gets kaylin De borie struggles for a, Year nick, say
but It's, Alabama like it's a huge. Brand AND i
kind of feel that Like Kansas, city it's like if
they have a bad draft or they have, injuries they're
just so. SMART i, mean, OWNER gm, president, quarterback like
everybody's AN a to AN a. Plus SO i JUST
(42:45):
i think the last couple of years it's they can't
figure out the offensive. LINE i watch him the last
four weeks to average thirty two a. GAME i just
they look different than everybody. Else, OKAY i want to
wrap with. This SO i always thought the greatest athlete
not the most. Dominant serena is probably the most, dominant
Or Michael phelps and swimming is the most, Dominant Usain.
(43:07):
Bolt but the greatest ATHLETE i THOUGHT i had ever
seen was a guy Named Carl. Lewis So Carl lewis
was in track and. Field it was a very unique,
personality not really appealing to the, MASSES i. Guess but
in nineteen eighty four he goes to The La, olympics
and he wins one hundred, meters the two hundred, meter
the long, JUMP i, mean winning any of those. Sensational
he wins all of, them and he wins a four
by one, hundred so he wins like four. Golds then
(43:29):
he goes To soeul in eighty eight and he mostly duplicates.
It then he goes To barcelona in ninety two and
he mostly duplicates. It and forget The PanAm games or
The Goodwill games or The World championships In tokyo And
helsinki And, Stuttgarten rome or wherever they. Are then he
comes back To atlanta in ninety, six starts in eighty
four ninety. SIX i, mean there was just like a
(43:51):
twelve year. Period it Was, PanAm, Goodwill World, Championships. Olympics
he was dominated in. Everything and Then i'm Watching Tawny
friday And i'm, Like, Babe ruth did not pitch and hit.
Simultaneously and remember the split. Finger fastball kind of came
into baseball in the seventies or eighties With Bruce. Souiter
(44:12):
Remember Bruce, suer he pitched for The cardinals And. Cubs
he was a relief. Pitcher he want to sigy up
and he was A he was the first guy to
throw a split finger. Fastball Babe ruth didn't face that
stuff that those guy's in the twenties and thirties and forties,
fifties they weren't facing split finger. Fastball For otani to
walk into this, sport to be a power, hitter to
have that speed to hit for, average to be a dominant.
(44:36):
Ace he may have one of the top five splitters in.
Baseball his, fastball he punches Out Jackson curio in the
first inning at one. Hundred all of his off speed
breaking stuff is above. Average it's very. Good then he
hits it out of the. Stadium BUT i was sitting
there watching And i'm, like, think how Good Reggie jackson.
WAS i, Mean Reggie jackson Was World series MVP's iconic
(44:58):
five hundred and fifty pl home. Runs Reggie jackson was
a terrible, fielder didn't run the, bases not a good.
TEAMMATE i think O toanni is the greatest Athlete i've ever.
SEEN i, Mean Michael jordan wasn't a great. Passer he
wasn't a great deep ball. Shooter he was a great
offensive mid range, player rest relentless and a great on ball.
Defender But i'm Watching o'tani And i'm.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Like he's a top top eight.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
PITCHER i, mean he's a top base stealer when he wants.
TO i JUST i sat there watching And i'm, Like
jesus to just be an elite. Pitcher, hell guys can't stay.
Healthy Snell, glass No, dodgers nobody can stay. HEALTHY i
(45:45):
just watching that, GAME i, thought this is the greatest
single Athlete i've ever seen in any. Sport that was
my take on.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
It, well it's definitely the greatest game that's ever been.
Played ten, strikeouts three home runs in THE, Nlcs, like
that's something you see the kid in little league that's
going to be on all the travel. Teams that's years.
Old you wouldn't Even you'd be hard pressed to find
that in high, school you. KNOW i THINK la this
year had a couple guys who were drafted in the top,
ten like high school. PLAYERS i would be shocked because
(46:11):
typically now that they focus on, one they're not playing both.
Ways so if the guy's in the league, pitcher he's just.
Pitching if the guy's an leite hit or he's just playing.
SHORTSTOP i vividly remember when he first started playing For,
anaheim because you had heard all this hype and The
giants tried to sign him coming out Of. JAPAN i
didn't realize how tall and fast he, was AND i
remember like a ball that most power hitters do not
(46:32):
make it a. Second he not only made it a,
second he was there.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
With ease and he went holy.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Shit but you see that guy's If Shoheo tani was
born In Los angeles Or, Dallas texas or.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Something he's probably a quarterback right. Potentially he's six foot,
five two hundred and ten.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Pounds he's definitely playing a lot of different sports growing.
Up who, knows maybe basketball as. WELL i mean maybe
because he's athletically he's an elite. Athlete, yes you, know
you watch The. Yankees it's like the other players looked the.
Same you watched THE i remember two years ago going
to a spring training game With maria and we had
really good seats AND i was, LIKE i, Thought Mookie
(47:08):
betts is an outfielder and he's playing short and second.
Base i'm, like this is. Insane it's like this GUY
i THOUGHT i thought he played like right field in center,
field he can play shortstop and he had to play
in this series that looked Like Grek jeter is, like
so they're two best. Players AND i, saw you, Know
Matt Muney, smith he, yeah Called charger games with him
(47:28):
AND dj came. DOWN i played golf with them like last.
Year BUT i saw this clip that he posted Interviewing
Andrew friedman and he's, like what do you say to
everyone saying you just bought this? Team and he's, like
we play all these teams that have all these star player,
players AND i see none of them out, early you,
know three o'clock in the. Afternoon you come out and
you watch The Dodgers Mookie, BETTS, shoeo all of our star,
(47:49):
Players Freddie freeman are doing extra work Like Peyton, Manning
Tom Brady Tiger wood.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Style so it's like this isn't random their.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Greatness obviously they have freak, talents but like clearly from
a team building, standpoint like really they kind of got
like A patriot vibe going like they're all just it's,
like this is a serious. Group now obviously show, hey you,
know because he didn't pitch that well this, year no,
grant he was coming back out the. Injury but he's
got a pitch like that and hit like. That it's,
(48:18):
like there's never been that home. Run, Listen i'm A
Barry i'm A giants fan at. Heart that's A Barry
bonds level home run on the cream and the clear With, balco,
RIGHT i, mean that's that was That that was. Insane
how far that ball you can see? It do you
remember When barry hit the ball Against anaheim in the
Two World series AND i Think Tim salmon was in
(48:38):
The it was in the dugout and he, mouthed that's
the farthest Ball i've ever seen. Hit, obviously you Know
barry was kind of a mutant by. Then The dodgers
faces in the dugout all kind of had that. VIBE i,
Know i've never seen a ball hit this far.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Ever, yeah it's just it's just remarkable to watch. Him and,
one you, Know i've said, THIS i think The dodgers
are the best run organization In North. America Mack monci
The a's cut. HIM i, Mean Tommy edmund was a
two sixty hitter In Saint. Louis he was a good.
Fielder cardinals were, like we don't want to pay. Him
he was THE NLCS. MVP i, Mean glassno's always had
(49:13):
good stuff six, seven but he can't stay. Healthy so let,
mean there's no question they can. Roll what The dodgers
biggest advantage isn't just like Oh otani because other teams
could have paid for, Him but great players want to
play for The dodgers Because otani comes UP i five
to The. Dodgers he has better people hitting in front
of him and behind, him and the pressure isn't for
(49:34):
him to go four for. Four Oh tani had a
terrible series until that Game. Friday he couldn't. Hit SO
i think it's it's like one of these. Things there's
a reason five star players want to go play For
Ohio state Or georgia because you're surrounded by better, players,
Right and it's like that if you're a great Like
Freddie freeman was playing For, atlanta but it's, like look
who's hitting in front of, Me look who's hitting behind?
(49:55):
Me you get better?
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Pitches WELL i would say, this you would Say otani
and move he. Bets you, Know manny And poppy were incredible,
power but neither of them could. RUN i mean it's
got to be when you talk about all around. Game
the two most talented players that have ever played. TOGETHER i,
mean how do you beat that offensively and. Defensively you've
seen a lot of these duos one two just. MASH
(50:17):
i bet you Know mannel And garrig if we go
back to the history of the, sport but we've never
seen two guys that are this good on. Defense and
one guy can pitch ten strikeouts against the team that
just won ninety seven. Games it's not like he's playing
a team that won eighty. GAMES i mean that team
was weren't The brewers Of? Powerhouse and then they go
like a month without losing a, game.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Six six nothing in the regular. Season the volume
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