Colin Cowherd Podcast - What the Bears Proved, College Football Playoff, Indiana Takes Down Ohio State, What’s Wrong With Lamar Jackson? - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:07):
John Middlicoff, the former NFL scout, got his three and
Out podcast. Let's just start with the Green Bay Packers
twenty eight end zone interception Bears twenty one. Caleb didn't
have a very good first half, and he didn't have
a very good final throw. But you know, and I'm
watching this game. Jordan Lowe was very good early, but

(01:28):
Green Bay looked exhausted in the second half because Caleb
just kept extending drives with plays. You know, I wrote
down multiple notes during the game, John, and all these
young quarterbacks, Shooter Sanders, bow Nicks, they're all on the
even except Drake May. Everybody's you don't know when it today.
JJ McCarthy was pretty good, but in the second half,

(01:49):
I did feel like, I mean, Caleb makes plays and
Jesus does he have an arm. A couple of those
throws in the final drive were just and this is
cold weather. It's a great defense. I don't know. I mean,
I think this it's not pretty, but I think losing
to arguably the best team in the league with Jeff

(02:12):
Hafley's defense twenty eight to twenty one. He doesn't throw picks.
It was just a bad throw by him, just he
was short. I come out of that and I'm like,
those are two really good football teams to me.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I thought the Bears were a big winner today.
I mean, at one point in time, it's fourteen to
three and you're like, I could see this being like
a thirty one to ten final. Yeah, and he's six
to thirteen in the first half. Ben's trying to make
him play like a pocket quarterback. And what happened in
the second half. You kind of gotta let him run
around and cook. Yeah, I mean that's him, and they
let him run around and cook and he made a
lot of plays. Ben Johnson was fantastic in the second half.

(02:45):
That one drive when it was twenty one to fourteen
and they went seventeen plays almost nine minutes. They ran
a quick screen to Burton on a third down, got
a first down, the touchdown pass to slip the tight
end out. It was like, man, this is the Bears
were impressive today. Mental toughness, physical toughness, because early on
the Packers they were hitting on defense like they were

(03:07):
the eighty five Bears I'm like, it's ten degrees out there.
You got Brady wearing seventeen layers up in the booth
freezing as you know what off. I'm like, this place
looks miserable. And the Bears kind of prove what we've
seen all season. They don't really tap out. And that
was a game there was a moment where you're like,
this could get it. It's in Green Bay. Honestly, be understandable.

(03:28):
They'd won a bunch of games, They've had a great season.
It's like, hey, they end up winning twelve games, you
can lose this, you know, in by a couple of
touchdowns and no one's even gonna judge you. But when
they tied it at twenty one twenty one, my first
thought was this Bears team's real. And when they got
the ball back at twenty eight twenty one, I didn't
think for a second they weren't going to drive down
the field. I felt same. I didn't know if they

(03:50):
were gonna win it or not, but I knew I
would have bet big money that they were gonna be
in the red zone and have a shot, and that's
exactly what happened. I did think listen a lot going
on they haven't. This is the first time this franchise
has been in a moment like this in a long time.
I thought they didn't manage the clock great because it
went from like a minute to twenty seven seconds really fast,
really fast. So I think their back was against the

(04:13):
wall a little bit, a little quicker than they thought.
And they called that play that what works for him
last week, and Caleb was just a little late and
obviously threw it.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I mean he could have run for the first down, actually,
but I think I think to his credit, earlier this
year he had a similar kind of play and he
ran it in for a touchdown, and we all said
he could have thrown it.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Here.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
He opts to throw it, and we've noted this many times.
He doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. He really doesn't.
He's pretty good at throwing the ball in a tough
spot but not giving the defender some of its velocity.
He throws the ball so hard it's not an easy
ball to intercept. At one point, Green Bay had one
hundred and forty nine passing yards to eleven passing yard advantage,

(04:54):
And I even wrote down here, lousy Caleb first down
one of six on third down. But you know, and
I think this is something. This is kind of the
the meld between coaching and quarterback play is that you
do have to and Andy Reid, who you know, Well,
you got to let Mahomes kind of do his thing.

(05:16):
Greg co Sel says on my show every week, he's
just kind of Now, Mahomes is a playmaker. He's not
a classic pocket guy. He throws up most of his
stuff moving now some of it. They have a really
bad offensive line. But you know, it's funny because I
watched Jordan Love. I think you'd admit this. Jordan loves
throwing the deep ball. He loves going I mean, and

(05:37):
he's got the arsenal to do it. Caleb is doing
a lot of tough throws. John, He's rolling to his right,
throwing to the sideline. He's making a lot of throws
down the seam. The degree of difficulty with some of
the Caleb throws, to me, it's like, we got it.
You know, Jordan loves to go over the top, and
he's got the art and he's got the guys to
do it. But I don't know, I just look at

(05:59):
this and I think Green Bay there's an argument they're
as good as anybody in the league. I don't know
if I trust New England in the postseason. I just
they don't run the football. The weather is going to
be crappy. But I came out of this thinking, are
these two Like when I watched this weekend, I watched
Indiana play Ohio State, and I'm like, those are two

(06:20):
of the three best teams I've seen in college football.
I'm watching Bears and Packers today. I think Green Bay
would have blown out a lot of people. I don't
think they would have blown out the Rams. I don't
you know what I mean, but I'm like you. I
came out of this second half I thought Chicago pretty
much did they control the.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Clock well when it's ten degrees like that? Like that
game to me, And I wasn't at either place obviously,
but was dramatically more difficult to play. Then Let's say
the Bills game, which was snowing but didn't feel as
frigid right now, those quarterbacks were like that game. It's
hard to catch. Every time a guy's tackled, you went
once his name gets kicked in the chin, that had

(06:58):
to feel like he landed on I mean, I so
the physicality of that game. But to me, running the
ball in those environments is huge, and the Bears can't.
They got two running backs who were good. Josh Jacobs
on that final drive, the game winning drive, I mean
that one third down play, it should have been a
TfL and what did he do? He cut it, he

(07:20):
broke a tackle and what did he gained? Like fifteen yards? Yeah,
and he's So it's basically Josh Jacobs first, their two
running backs he had he had looking eighty yards and
those two guys had over one hundred yards combined. So
it's it's it's a very physical game, a long drives.
Now the difference is Jordan Love, like you said, Christian Watson,
I looked it up when he scored a second touch
that's five touchdowns last four games. Yeah, and he is

(07:43):
I mean in the transfer portal era. I don't know
if North Dakota State would have kept him. So he's
he looks really good right now. He's flying and Jordan Love,
Jordan Love took notes on those Aaron Rodgers kind of
back foot just let it flame because he is on
the money. He's playing well and he was beside the
one pass, he was really good today. Defensively, you know,

(08:05):
the Bears off and you've talked about this, adding those
offensive linemen. They kind of leaned on them on those
last drives in the fourth quarter. And you can tell Green,
I mean, Micah Parsons the sucking win. You could tell
all those guys, even Caleb in the huddle trying to
catch his breath. That was. That was a playoff game.
I mean, that was it.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
That was.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
That was fantastic theater. I mean, I was. I'm sure
you were. I'm sure all of America were. I'm sure
the numbers are going to be huge. That was excellent football.
I mean, I'm glad the Bears are good. That was forever.
When's the last time the Bears and Packers played in
a real game that mattered? It's always been the Packers
and Aaron Rodgers going, I own you.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
That was.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
That was cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
And you know what's interesting is the Packers have done it.
If you take Mica out mostly drafting and developing most
of those receivers. You're Watson, you know, read a lot
of that. Now, Josh Jacobs is an acquisition, but they've
done a little of both. But you know, give Ryan
Pole's credit. You know Dj Moore, they got in a

(09:04):
trade Drew Dolman, their three interior offensive lineman, Joe Tooney,
Montese Sweat. They've taken swings. They missed on Chase Claypool.
That was a miss. And it's not that they haven't
drafted some good players. They got their right tackle and
Caleb Williams obviously, but DeAndre Swift was a move. Chicago
has been a little bit like Green Bay and Philadelphia

(09:24):
in the rams. They'll go in, they'll go in the
league and they'll take some swings, and they've When I
watched Chicago play, I always said to win a Super Bowl,
you have to have your seven best players mostly have
to be in their prime. Well, Dolman is, Tooney is,
DJ Moore is Sweat is I'll tell you Lovelin and

(09:48):
Caleb Williams. Now, that's becoming a real relationship. He's not
in his prime yet, but you can tell that's Caleb's guy.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, I would say this to the draft. You know
Luther Burden, he had four catches for fifteen sixty seven yards,
a big catch on that final drive, you know, to
kind of get that drive going. Lovelin had the touchdown
pass and just makes big plays. Manujai is what a
seventh round guy. I mean, he looks he looks fantastic.
He looks every bit the same as Swift. So now
you have a one to two combination. The Packers are

(10:17):
you know, the backup did have a nice run, but
I mean they're they're gonna ride Josh Jacobs like you
would Derek Henry or Christian McCaffrey. You know, the Bears
having multiple running backs with a coach that's that's not
afraid to lean on them, and you know it does
a good job of skiing up the run. But Ben
Johnson on the drive that tied at twenty one twenty one,
had a couple of play calls that were just fantastic.

(10:40):
And he one thing that's gonna be hard for him
because he's, you can tell, like his nature. I mean,
he's a little tight. It's hard for him to let
Caleb just kind of be usc Caleb. And if they're
gonna go and win playoff games and win a game
like today, you gotta gotta let him be him. And
he tried. I mean, he gave him multiple options on
that last play. I think they thought that I think

(11:01):
it was Comet was the tight end that he was
thrown to would be a little more open. The dB
made a good play and then Caleb was probably a
half chepe.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Generally in the rule in the end zone, if you
throw it to the front, throw it low. If you
throw it to the back, throw it high. So Caleb
kind of got caught in between. It was high but
not high enough.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
The old Weather plays a part doesn't quite fly because
his arms.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's a dead ball, you know. The the other thing
it was, this was a really important game for green Bay.
They were a six and a half point favorite. John
if they lose this game at home to Chicago, you know,
we say we all wanted to watch, but the Bears
were almost a touchdown dog. There was some pressure on

(11:43):
green Bay, and you.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Know, I think it was all on green Bay. I
think it was one hundred percent on green Bay. The
Bears were playing with house money.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
From where I was sitting, yeah, and I think they
took green Bay's best shot and vice versa. I just
thought it was fantastic. That's about as good as the
NFL gets between Indiana, Ohio State and green Bay in Chicago.
We've had some good weekends, but that was Chicago's a
legitimate NFL team, and unlike Detroit, which is you're not

(12:14):
quite sure what you get weak to week. Also, I
do think it's a disadvantage having you know, Jared Goff.
There's certain things you can't do. A couple of times
today Caleb escaped the pocket on those last two drives,
and I'm like Jesus, he really does have a nice
sense of what's around him. Burrow's got this. Burrow just

(12:34):
kind of feels it, you know, he can just kind
of tell. So maybe it's hearing, but there were a
couple of times today with Caleb, I'm like, man, some
of that's instinctive. You can't teach some of that stuff.
With his pocket feel.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, I think right now him and Josh Allen are
the best scramblers. You know, Burrow doesn't go that far
outside the pocket, right, He's just great at moving up,
moving to the left, but he's staying within what a
three or four yards kind of radius. And then to
get rid of the ball, Caleb and Josh take off
to then throw, especially Caleb. You know, Josh also runs
probably more than Caleb. Caleb will run for a first down,

(13:07):
but to me, it was huge for the Packers because
if they lose this game one, the Bears would have
multiple more wins. But the Rams dominate today, Seattle dominates.
The Niners are going to come off a bye. They're
playing the Titans, so all of a sudden, you look,
are you headed to be the seventh seed, which you
know would have been a major problem given that you
just made this huge trade for Micah Parsons. The expectations

(13:29):
and their team. You watch them, they are a legitimate
team that can win the Super Bowl. I mean their
defense and if they get ahead and those rushers can
just fly all their dbs hit. I mean their defense
is you know, the Bears defense.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Isn't that great?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Right? They make plays then they come through in big moments.
But the Packers, I would say ten of their eleven
guys are hitting, kind of like an old school denv.
Seattle team a decade ago. That's a high end defense.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
And Jeff Haffley, they run a lot of stuff. I
mean that one play where I mean Micah is literally
almost jumping, then he scales back and within a heartbeat
he's twelve yards off the line of scrimmage in space.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
They got virstule players, right, You know Micah is a
unique player where Shaan Gary is a unique player. I
mean you look at those two guys. Wasn't where Shawan
Gary the number one overall recruit when Jim Harbaugh got
it was a number one d yep. I don't know
where Micah fell, but I would imagine pretty high when
he went to Penn State. So you're talking about some
elite blue chip kids from when they were like fifteen sixteen,
and you watch them now. I mean those two guys alone,

(14:32):
I mean you don't know what to do right with
with fifty two and number one. I mean they are
their team speed up front. I mean Caleb, what did
they say? He ran twenty miles an hour again and
they are right behind him. I mean usually Caleb, when
he gets away, it's like he's got a little gap today.
I think he's not used to a guy literally going
step for step with me, and he had to adjust

(14:52):
as the game went and he did. I mean he's okay, Caleb, Listen,
his accuracy issues, you know, at times can be a
little mad, but there is no disputing his you know,
there we see some guys You're like, how is this
guy a high pick that this guy's physical attributes are
pretty eye opening, and they're actually today in the cold
was because he made a comment Brady said that he

(15:14):
felt more confident in a cold weather game. You know,
he's a DC kid, He's used to playing in the
cold weather. And you know, he's six or thirteen in
the first half and like, but as the game went on,
like his ball is not going to be affected, you know,
throwing that least God the Duvernet pass rolling to his
right late in the game, and the touchdown pass to Zakias, Yeah,
you know, which was an incredible pass and catch.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I know. I would say if you just lined
up arm talent in the league and just in velocity,
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(17:42):
I thought Mike Tomlin got a little lucky today because
I thought the tight end Isaiah likely. I thought that
was a touchdown. They reversed it. I would have called
if I was an official. I'm still not sure. I
mean Pittsburgh surrendered four hundred twenty yards, lost badly, time
of possession, only a thirteen first downs. I thought Aaron
played pretty well for a forty two year old with

(18:04):
no run. Game on the road. DK Metcaffe and Aaron
had a really good day. It's it's what's interesting. The
Steelers still can't run the ball two point two yards
of carry, and it felt like a reprieve. I think
this is why you got Aaron Rodgers. The defense isn't great.
They can't run the ball. I mean, the two guys

(18:26):
you went and got DK Metcalfe and Aaron Rodgers saved
your bacon today. Again, what did you make of the
likely non touchdown?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I agree to Tony Romo, that's what are we doing.
I mean, that's it was a pretty clear touchdown. But
I also thought I thought the story of the game
is Lamar Jackson looks like a shell of himself. No quote.
Now he's I don't know what you know his percentage is,
but it's closer to fifty than it feels to seventy
or eighty. I mean, he looks not nearly now relative
to his standard looks slow, clearly is just a little off.

(18:59):
Still makes a couple of plays, But I mean, I
think the guy that we've seen become just an all
time great player over you know, the prime of his career.
Whatever the version is he's playing at now, is is
limiting him. I mean, you have that one awful pick
where typically that's a Lamar play lobbit right over a guy.
When you're scrambling. How many plays in a scrambling around

(19:19):
you go from him to that Caleb scrambling around, It's
like they're playing at different speeds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
No, I mean he is a Flowers andrews Henry. He's
got playmakers. We know, the coaching staff is fine. It's
I thought the final drive of the game by him,
it was just it just there was nothing to it.
I kind of feel like with Lamar Jackson, we've gotten
to a point where anything over fifteen yards I don't

(19:47):
necessarily trust him. I just don't think he's right. I
mean that's my take on this, and I've said it
for weeks. Brock Purdy, when I saw him on Monday
night throw two picks and they were both behind the guy,
I'm like, well, he's not numb percent I can tell.
I think Lamar is hurt and he just doesn't want
to mention it because he's an athletic guy and he
doesn't want to give the defense who he plays a

(20:07):
heads up. I mean, these these are not serious. I mean,
neither one of these teams can do anything in the playoffs.
I mean, sometimes you win a division and that's the
best you can do. I mean, Mike Tomlin's probably now.
The way Baltimore is playing Burrow, you know lost, I
thought Cincinnati was going to win that game. We'll talk
about that. I thought Cincinnati had them, and then Joe

(20:28):
Burrow one of the few awful picks of his life.
I mean, Lamar was what nineteen of thirty five with
a seventy two passer rating.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah. I one thing too is last year. Remember early
on in the season, the Ravens defense was terrible, and
then they figured something out and they became a lot
better as the season went on. Today, there was a
moment it was it was twenty to sixteen, and you know,
the Steelers were kind of back against the wall. You're like, God,
this thing's kind of going to fall apart here, and
Rogers just a pretty elementary play, drops it off to Warren.

(21:02):
He walks in for a touchdown. There's no one even
around him. So it went from twenty to sixteen to
boom twenty seven to sixteen. And the way that the
Ravens are playing on offense, it's like, I don't they're
in trouble and they are just listening. They dug themselves
in a hole early in the season, they don't look
right and clear their quarterback's banged up, and I listen,
Rogers is taking shots and everyone needs to shut up

(21:24):
about us, like you guys have been losing game after
game and looking terrible. So I mean, I don't know.
I bet against him pretty big this week. I had
little to no faith in the Steelers, but I thought
today was as much of an indictment in the Ravens
just they're just not very good like the Steelers. If
they are the four seed playing whoever that they end
up drawing, I'd be stunned if they win a playoff game.

(21:46):
And I don't think all these stories coming out the
last couple of days about Tom's contract set up like
that the Rooney. I think these thing's kind of being
laid out like there's you know, we're coming to the
end of the road.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah. And I also think Kansas City doesn't feel the same.
But Kansas City was getting the Super Bowls, Baltimore wasn't
winning playoff games, and they feel less than that. Sober
Baltimore the previous two years has blown out more teams
than anybody in the sport. The Lions the previous two years,
and the Ravens have kicked a uno out of teams
four to five times. Now, Seattle's the team this year

(22:18):
that has beaten six teams by two touchdowns or more. So,
they're just something that's not right.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So I look at click at both those two teams, right,
I mean, they've had their moments. The Lions were the
number one seed last year. Two years ago, they had
the Niners up twenty four to seven at halftime in
the NFC Championship. The Ravens have the home field two
years ago, lost to the Chiefs. Last year, it's like
they should beat the Bills in the second round, they
lose the game. Kind of feels like they're little moments

(22:44):
for both those two teams. Kind of shut.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
And now for our next segment, Whiskey Business. Yes, Whiskey
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whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast. Okay, I want to
go to college football for the next ten to fifteen minutes.
Then we'll come back to Bengals, Bills and some of
the NFL stuff. So I thought the committee and this John,
I feel like this happens every year because college football

(23:10):
is so tribal. A lot of college football fans, they
live in a small town, it's their team. If you
live in Philadelphia, you love the Phillies, you love the Eagles,
you're a sixer fan, you love Villanova basketball. You've got
a lot of different you know, there's a lot of
different stuff in your life. You travel a lot. For
college football fans, they live and breathe with their team.
Often it's the biggest entertainment in their state or in

(23:33):
their town. So we argue, we yell, we scream. I
basically thought, I mean, you can you can say what
you want about Alabama, but they're favored over Oklahoma, so
they're obviously one of the twelve best teams. They listen Georgia.
They had people knock Alabama getting in over Notre Dame.
They did go to Athens and beat Georgia. There is

(23:55):
some value in that, you know, Notre Dame. My take
on Notre Dame is all you had to do is
either beat Miami or beat Texas A and M. You
had to win one of those two games and you didn't.
So USC, which has been a bad road team, can't
be your big w Go ask USC fans they're disappointed
in their season. That's like beating Michigan this year, it

(24:18):
doesn't really count for much. Michigan's really not very good
with a true freshman quarterback. So I thought Bien. I mean,
I wouldn't put Tulane in or James Madison, but I've
never been a believer in the little guy. We all
know who recruits the best players. Although I do think
Tulane can beat Old miss But I think going Indianajan
Ohio State to Georgia three, Texas Tech four, I have

(24:40):
no problem with it. I think Bama Oklahoma is a
great game. I probably take Bama close. I like Miami
against Texas A and M and MS favored by four
and a half. But I thought I thought getting Miami
in was the key to all of this, so I
wasn't deep bothered. Listen, Texas, you lose three games, and

(25:04):
by the way, you were in close games against a
lot of bad teams. Did it bother you? Were you
okay with a final result?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
No? I wasn't because I do think back to the
little guy you know better than me. But it clearly
fell a couple of years ago when they created this,
and they included that a non Power five team would
essentially be a lock. It felt like they did that
so they didn't get sued, right and basically just have
it for the top four power conferences. And I got

(25:33):
my starting football at Fresno State, which was playing Boise State,
which I would say Utah and Boise State kind of
created we deserve a seat at the table. Yeah, well,
look back at Utah before they became what they've become
at the Power four level, they had a team with
probably ten pros on some of their better teams. Boys.
I was at President when we played Boise State, they
had eleven guys drafted on a team and they were

(25:54):
beating Oregon in Georgia. Those teams are outlied. They have
nothing in common with JMU and to end, so to me,
to have this setup and allow them a guaranteed seat
at the table, and this year got all screwed up
because the ACC sucked and two of their teams you know,
took spots is a joke. And to me, what has

(26:16):
to happen is the Power for needs to have their
own playoff. We don't need to invite them, and the
non the Group of five whatever they call it, have
their own playoff, and the Division one have a playoff
because I think that's where we need to go because
the Notre Dame Miami argument only became an argument because
Tulane and JMU were taking a spot Alabama kicking us

(26:40):
out for playing a game when a bunch of teams
did not have to play a game yesterday and google
our schedule. We were playing a lot of teams. They
had a stretch of like four straight games. It was
really impressive. I remember everyone bragging about it, and then
everyone just forgets about it because they get their ass
kicked by Kirby Smart, who I don't know, is like
the modern day new Nick Saban, So it's like who

(27:00):
literally was trained by him. The problem is the little guy,
And if you're comparing the Boise State with Chris Peterson,
that's an outlier little guy team. You know who that was.
That was a team that probably could have won a
national championship. Tu Lane, I'm with you. I watched it
on Friday. They look pretty good. Their coach is also
his foot's half out, he's already ready to take on right.
So even if the same thing with JMU, their coach

(27:22):
is UCLA. So I immediately, like most people, what is
JMU a three touchdown underdog. What is Tulane almost We
saw Tulane play Old miss who people say, you know,
before Lane left could have won a national championship. I
think that's a little bit of a stretch. They can
win a playoff game or two. They're not winning a

(27:43):
national chamber, but they're a real playoff team. They played Tulane,
they won forty five to ten. The committee screwed up
like Notre Dame and listen, I don't know where you stand.
They did not handle it well, like quitting the bowl game.
It's like, guys, did they pulled like you know you
can during that period of time. I know you can
play to young guys practices, So it's a very you

(28:05):
know you're big on don't make emotional decisions. That clearly
feels like very emotional decision that no way they pull
they were gonna go to Florida and play BYU. You
can't get anything out of that week. You're not going
to the playoffs either way. You might as well take
advantage of, I don't know, a free five day vacation
in Florida to work on your program and get some
And here's the other thing. Most guys in college football,

(28:26):
even at Georgia don't play in the NFL. So you
got a lot of seniors on Notre Dame that are
gonna be working at Goldman Sacks here in six months.
You don't think they there's like, coach, you quit. And
I have a lot of respect for Marcus Freeman, and
who knows it might not have been all his call, right,
that's that's an embarrassing call. But to me, it all
gets back to the non Power four teams getting involved

(28:47):
is screwed everything up and created this situation where a
pitted Notre Dame in Miami and it's like, what Notre
Dame in Miami have nothing in common with two late
especially James Madison.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well, and I think sometimes it remember when COVID hit,
we just kind of made stuff up for two years.
We didn't know. Anytime you have a transition, we're seeing
it with AI. We saw it with dot Com thirty
years ago. Sometimes in certain sports or in certain businesses,
it changes rapidly. I mean we went from not we

(29:20):
went from paying a player's the death penalty to bidding
wars on high school players. And I mean so literally
the thing that literally got you SMU death penalty is
now you brag about it and it happened overnight, so
there was no guardrails, and then transfer portals like wilder
than free agency and coaches making twelve million. So I've

(29:43):
seen it with a pandemic. I've seen it with AI,
I've seen it all politically with Trump. Oh, this is
a different kind of white house. College football is going
through this wild transition and they're not quite there yet.
I'm with you, I don't listen. Go look at national
signing Day, Alabama, Notre Dame, USC Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan.

(30:07):
We all know Georgia LSU. We all know who's got.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
The Miami Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, so Mario Christobal, I mean when you watched Miami play,
and that was my take on Miami. You can't let
Miami go. First of all, they have better O and
D lines than Notre Dame. And I was talking about
this the other day on the air. Notre Dame played
seven teams rated below one hundred. Defensively, they played one

(30:33):
great defensive team one Miami and Jeremiah Love rushed for
thirty three yards. They literally couldn't run the ball. You
just had to beat Miami or Texas. A and m
you had to beat one of them. You couldn't beat either.
And so once I watched the Pittsburgh game, I'm like,
I started deep diving, sitting at home, googling NCAA stats,
and I'm like, this isn't right. So I did think

(30:54):
the committee moved them next to each other, knowing BYU
was going to get the you know what kicked out
of the mgame by text, and when they lost, they
could leap Frogham. That I was happy with. And I
actually like Miami. I think Miami is going to beat
A and m I think Bama's gonna it's Oklahoma they'll beat.
I think Bama is a favorite, will win. I just

(31:15):
think we're going through.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean, Oregon's going to murder these guys.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Thinks Oregon could win by forty ol Miss Tulane. I
literally nobody who cares. I don't even but I guess
I came out of it. I will say this, but
Notre Dame saying we're not going to go to the bull. Baylor,
I think has come out saying we're not going to
accept the ball. I do think it's a moment in

(31:41):
time where bowl games are in big trouble and John,
you know me and you've listened to me. I am
a big believer and live your life through the windshield. Listen,
the PAC twelve people calling, why didn't you fight for
the PAC twelve because the PAC twelve teams were making
thirty million dollars in the Big ten were making ninety
million the year it was. I was talking to USC,

(32:02):
I was talking to these athletic directors. They're like, we
can't compete. So the four best, or you know, at
least three of the four Washington, Oregon, USC are like, okay,
we're gonna, especially USC and Oregon, we're gonna we're gonna
double our money here or is it USC UCLA double?
I forget which us he is for sure, So I'm

(32:23):
not somebody that just I think we'd seen enough of
COAL against Washington State and Oregon State against Arizona. So
my take is that really bothered people, the convergence. But
clearly the ratings are up, we're getting more big games.
We have to now get over the bulls. They just
don't matter. And John, I don't think conference championships matter
going forward. I would get rid of them as well.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's what I was gonna say. Next. I think that's why,
you know, the conversation over the last forty eight definitely
twenty four hours was Alabama getting booted. Well N tier
until we know for sure it's concrete that the conference
championships are done, these people in the committee could not
get rid of Alabama because they lost in a game
that that is very economically important. I tried to explain

(33:07):
to Maria last night. I'm like, it is amazing how
hard Ohio State, like I got Indiana trying really hard.
Ohio State's defending champs. They could lose this game, they'll
be too Yet they played that game like it was
the national champion and I respected it because like this
game doesn't really matter, you know, but it felt like
a national championship, but the other games didn't really and

(33:29):
I think they've lost a little juice. What I think
is clearly going to happen is they're going to expand
it to sixteen and the Conference championship game will turn
into more of a play in game Weekend where the
SEC played Texas Vanderbilt playing I don't know who the
two teams would be in the Big ten USC for someone,
and that that game is basically like the NBA kind

(33:50):
of did with their playing game. You win, you're in
the You're in the playoffs.

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the committee put Miami over Notre Dame. They want head

(34:17):
to head. The committee also put Texas over Vandy. They
won the head to head. So in the end, the
committee said head to head did matter. We just didn't
like that it took to the final rank If you
go look at the final rankings, is that it did
matter to the committee? No, I think listen, think about
the changes in college football A and IL. You can
pay players, B, the transfer portals, the wild Wild West

(34:39):
C Bulls don't matter, D is going to be Conference
championships don't matter. Oh, I forgot to have mentioned we
now have a twelve team playoff that'll move to sixteen.
I will say one of my real takes because it
made me happy that Miami made it in. It made
it feel more credible. Fernando Mendoza. I've now watched them
begainst Ohio State and Penn State, neither game at home,

(35:02):
and they have good receivers. I'm not saying that, dude, big,
big arm, accurate, deep. I felt like he secured the
number one pick. I thought Tennessee won today, so we'll
see who gets the number one pick. If it's the
Jets or Tennessee. He looks like such a lock as
the number one pick to me.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I mean, Raiders are still very alive too, for the
number one pick. They lost again.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I mean, I'm sorry the postgame interview. He's got that
aw shucks Andrew luck thing, big smart, hard worker, big arm,
great deep ball. You could just watch the Penn State
in Ohio State games. Take two drives out of those games.
His accuracy that last drive. You and I talked about
it at Penn State. Jesus, he went like five for five.

(35:45):
They were all gorgeous, those Ohio State corners. John, That's
the best secondary in college football in years. You had
to have. It was like tiny, little football sized spaces
to put the ball.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, I think not that he gets crushed for,
but definitely people in the league bring up. You know,
he's goofy, nerdy, kind of like Cousins was at the
same age. Yeah, but physically he's in, you know, from
an athletic standpoint, from a deep ball standpoint. I thought
yesterday at halftime, a couple of people text me, like,
what do you think, Like, I've been pretty impressed. He's
playing the best defense in the country. No one moves

(36:18):
the they don't give up ten points. No one moves
the ball on this team. His uh, the kid who
caught the game when he touchdown at Penn State, Omar Kelly.
He got the guy got hurt in like the first drive.
Indiana is not you know, USC and their heyday. He
only had they don't have unlimited weapons. So he starts.
You know, he's got the one guy that caught the touchdown,
Sarat who's a really good player, but like he had

(36:40):
to manufacture some stuff. He made a couple of plays
rolling out side, arming the ball, his arm strength. He's big.
I was. I was blown away. I have no clue
what his stats were. I don't care. I thought top
start to finish. You know, he gets destroyed on the
first play of the game. I mean absolutely hammered. Shakes
it off, and I thought obviously the game winning essentially

(37:03):
passed at the end of the game. But I thought
he was fantastic from a physical standpoint of just the
attributes that teams look for, poise, calmness, arm strength. How
do you do it? Like no one cares when you
throw five touchdowns against one of the Rutgers or Maryland.
That game means nothing to all the gms in the league. Honestly,

(37:24):
they might not even watch it. What is the point
I am watching this game? I thought he made himself
because again it's just I don't think this quarterback class
is clearly viewed super highly. And we'll see what Dante
Moore chooses to do, because he could still make himself
a lot of money and play really well. But I
would say Mendoza as we sit here right now, would
be it would be pretty stunning if he's not, you know,

(37:46):
the number one or two pick depending. I mean, Moore's
a little bit of a wild card wealf to see.
I mean, because they could win the national championship. He
could play great. His oc leaves maybe he knows that,
you know, the quarterback's leaving now. Granted, I think will
Stein's dad played at Kentucky, so it's not as crazy
of a move. But yeah, I'm with you there really
quick on the Notre Dame thing, because you look at

(38:08):
you know, even Indiana, people go, well, they didn't really
you know, beside the organ game, look at their schedule.
They're still playing. Like when you play conference games, you
build up over time a rapport and little rivalries and
knowledge of the other coade Like it's intense.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Just watch fifty.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, but like playing Illinois is much more like Notre Dame.
Here's where I feel no sorrow and no empathy for
their situation. They play in a situation where if they
make the playoffs, they get to keep all the money.
They don't have split it with any conference partners. They
mix and match their schedule every year, Like I'm sorry, guys,
it's time to change, Like, let's just join one of
these conferences and get with the program. You no longer

(38:46):
get to just be your own little NZ out there
making all this money with NBC, mixing and matching a schedule.
Because even that Indiana, Ohio, State, Alabama, you name it,
their schedule changes year to year. It doesn't change that much.
Maybe they missed one of the top but it's still
going on the road, because this is what I think
Kaylin de Boor would say. We had just a random
road game, even against a down Tennessee. That's a lot

(39:08):
harder than some of this crap that Notre Dame hass
to do on the road.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Notre Dame again, Notre Dame played one great defensive line Miami,
and Miami Notre Dame's run game completely dried up right back.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Olroy talked about it last night. He's like, I rewatched
the game this morning and I was like, God, they
got dominated in the trenches in that game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
No, Miami's got better line play by far, So it doesn't.
And that's my takeaway if you really examine Notre dame schedule,
this is why Notre Dame desperately wants to play USC.
They that's why they signed a five year deal with Clemson.
Notre Dame signed a five year deal with Clemson. That's
what because they they'll get it. They're gonna get these

(39:49):
years where they play the weakest of the ACC. It's
why they're outraged when anybody brings up the us USC game.
USC doesn't need Notre Dame. You've seen have you seen
USC scheduled next year in the Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan.
They play everybody. They don't know where they play. But
it's like the last thing you need to another Notre
Dame game. So I've always liked Notre Dame. I respect

(40:12):
it that their kids are real student athletes. But if
you're going to play this game and toggle between conference
and independent, go examine Notre Dame schedule. How bad the
defenses they played? I think it's seven teams they played
had defenses under one hundredth there's only one hundred and
what thirty eight college football teams. Seven of the teams

(40:36):
they played were under one hundred defensively, so they looked
like a powerhouse.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Do you think I was thinking about this last night.
I understand that the you know, it's less than a
five point spread, right, I think Indiana was plus four
and a half when the game kicked off. I did
feel though the outcome that Indiana actually won that game,
And I don't feel on being super hyperbolic. Here is
one of the crazier outcomes college sports I've ever seen. Obviously,

(41:01):
Indiana's really good. They have a quarterback. They might go
want their coach Saban like it's not like as crazy
once you get add context to it, and all those
games they lost for decades kind of irrelevant to this
two years but still for them, and I get it,
they a big home field advantage. But Ohio State tried
like it wasn't like you know, they're kind of mailing

(41:22):
it in, Like Ohio State really tried. They hadnt won
the conference since Indiana. I got to forget that. I'm like,
I don't. Ohio State really hasn't won this game in
a while.

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(43:25):
line around. Julian sand was running. I mean, it was
a pop evaporate no Indiana. That's my takeaway. Mendoz's unbelievable
talent at quarterback. Signette is a great coach, but Indiana's
d line is big, and if you watch the matchups,
they bullied Ohio State like they went. They bull rushed.

(43:46):
They weren't they weren't trying to be clever, speed rushed.
They bull rushed the buck eyes and pushed them back.
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah. To me, that was a type win that almost
gets you a contract for life, you know, I know,
when you become the number one seed and that like
if they get to the final four, and let's say
they lose in the final four, I think that Ohio
State win is unless they win the national championship, is win.
Just given that, think how long they've been in that conference,

(44:15):
playing that team. I think what they say last night,
I didn't write it down like sixty six straight times
or eighty one straight games, whatever the number one. It
was insane. Bet they never beat Ohio State because they
have probably at minimum of four touchdown underdog when they
play them, and then to beat them like that in
that moment that that was that was incredible theater. I
mean it was that. That's one of the coolest college

(44:38):
games I've watched along. I didn't even have a dog
in the fight. I was just kind of enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, and the and the other thing to note is
that I think it was a tough spot for Ohio State.
It felt like the biggest game in the history of
Indiana football by a long shot. You just beat Michigan
because it was yeah, you're the national champions and it's
really about the playoff, and everybody in your locker room knows, Yeah,

(45:02):
we lost to Michigan last year. That went in a role.
So what's happening in college football for these big powerhouse
teams like Alabama didn't really want to have to play
Georgia again. Ohio State would have rather met Indiana in
two or three weeks for the first time now the
advantage goes to Ohio State. Like those players are like
if they play Indiana again, it's like, oh guys, we
faced these guys. I got to tell you my takeaway

(45:24):
on that game coming out of it was and I
kind of felt this going into it. But in any order,
you want Indiana, Georgia, Ohio State. I think those are
the three best teams. And I don't think it's that close.
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I do think Oregon could throw their hat in. They've
looked really good coming down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
And that gets hard to judge. John. They've been so
beat up offensively. They don't have any of their receivers
for all the big games I watched them, they were
never healthy.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
My question is I agree with you in the Ohio
State thing, But then why would Ryan Day kick the
field goal late in the game? Like what does easy defending? Im?
Just the Michigan What does he have to look like?
Who cares?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Just play to win? That was a weird moment for him.
I was like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I didn't like that call at all. I kind of
feel and I kind of feel like Indiana would have
stopped him anyway, just the way there the pass rush
was Yeah, that was one of those things where I
also think sometimes you do a play call because it
makes you feel big. It's like a confidence builder for

(46:28):
your team. You can you can go crazy on but
if you have their receivers and you have I mean,
Ohio State's got on average better players, you kind of
played into Indiana's hands kicking.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
The field goal well, and Klatt said it is last
year with Will Howard. They had a physical running element
with their quarterback. So they had the running backs, they
had the quarterback who could move, and they had the
wide receivers. Like saying, ain't really breaking a tackle on
a fourth and one, right, So you are a little

(47:00):
little limited. You still have two guys that I don't
know where Tate's gonna go in the draft, of my
guess would be high. Jeremiah Smith would go higher if
he could come out. And I didn't know Bo Jackson
still played football because that kid looked fantastic.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
He's great.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
So it's like, I'm sorry, you're Ohio State. You have
the best you know, roster money can buy. The talent
is elite, even if your quarterbacks, like you're the defending champs.
The insecurity for Ryan Day. He even beat Michigan seven dight, like,
what do you got to lose?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
And Signetti, I mean they One thing you'd say about
Signetti is his team immediately turned into just one of
the toughest teams in the country physically. That's what's the
eye opening part. They look kind of like Harbos's Michigan team,
don't they.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's exactly what I thought. I remember when Harball went
to the PAC twelve and took over Stanford and it
was year two and everybody was like, oh, the most
physical team by far is Stanford, not USC and p
Carroll like Michigan's or Stanford's way more physical. People say
Signetti is a little cocky, but I think for Indiana

(48:03):
he has to be. He wants, you know, you're trying
to elevate your players to believe and the self belief.
I mean there was some trash talking, Like Indiana guys
are trash talking, and I'm okay with it. I think
that's there at the stage in their program where they
do need to stand up to Ohio State and have
a little chip on their shoulders. So and I think

(48:23):
in the NIL era it's easier for an older coach
to succeed, like I don't think Belichick. I think Belichick
would have been a disaster in college football ten years ago.
He may still be a disaster. But in the NIL
you can buy half your roster. So Signetti doesn't need
thirty nine year old or forty two year old you know,
or Lane Kiff and energy, you don't need it. You

(48:43):
can buy a lot of players. So we got ourselves
another big ten power in Indiana. Let's go back to
the NFL. Buffalo Josh Allen plays Superman in the fourth quarter,
beats the Bengals thirty nine thirty four. Burrow had a
really bad pick six. But listen Cincinnati, and this is

(49:05):
why I have questions about Buffalo. Joe Burrows twenty five
and thirty six, two hundred and thirty four yards great
on third down, six yards of play, basically had a
really bad pick six. But to go to Buffalo and
snow and drop thirty four, I don't know. I mean, listen.
Josh Allen's top two targets were tight ends. Gabe Davis

(49:29):
was his big receiving target, had two catches. They just
pulled Gabe Davis back to the team. They're very much
about Allen and their tight ends. I just I thought
to myself, did Josh Allen and Christian Bedford did they
Did they save Sean mcdermot's job. What if he loses
at home to the four and eight Cincinnati Bengals. What

(49:52):
would our discussion be tonight? What would it be tomorrow
in the country. Because I felt from a lot of
the game since Nay out schemed him and out played him. Now,
Buffalo did have a fumble at like the two yard line. Boy,
I am just a I just so. I had the
Bengals winning this game plus six. I money lined it.

(50:13):
I don't know what to make a Buffalo. I don't
trust him. They can't defend the run. Burrow moved up
and down the field and just had a terrible pick six.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
It's pretty crazy how good he is coming off the
long layoff in the middle of the season. It's those
are the two best quarterbacks in the league right now.
I mean, I Burrow had the two plays that obviously
cost him the game. It's twenty eight to twenty five,
since he and since he is driving, and I thought,
is this how this is gonna end for Buffalo? Now,
granted the Bengals have kind of owned the Bills, right,

(50:43):
but it's like, you know, this guy's missed the whole season.
They're four and eight, their defense stinks, You're gonna lose
this team. And it felt like it was twenty eight
twenty five, they're gonna score, and all of a sudden,
it's gonna be thirty five to twenty five and the
math is just not gonna math for the Bills. And
then he throws the pick six and then the next
he throws another pick and they score again, and it
flips like that. I mean it really flipped. Within literally

(51:04):
two plays. It was back to back passes for two
picks and one was seven points and the other immediately
led to seven. And Josh Allen, who is he gonna
win the MVP or not? I don't know, but he's
the best player in the league. Like I don't know
how you just because physically, what like what Burrow can
do is he's the most mobile pocket passer, you know.
I maybe since Rogers in his heyday, and Rogers probably

(51:27):
a better athlete than Joe. But like the Mannings, the Brady's,
the Montana, they didn't maybe Montana a little bit in
his younger days. His movement in the pocket. He's not
a runner. He is just a passer, it is. And
his dominance now, he grew up in Ohio. He is
so comfortable. How good he was early in that game,
You're like, jeez, how's he s so good in the snow? Yeah,

(51:49):
you know, he's just his timing is really he had drops.
They dropped a ball in the end, so they had
several drops. It could have been a better day. And
this is the thing I think where they would feel
pretty good. It's like, hey, listen, we pay two wide
receivers and some people would debate is that the right
way to invest. They did a pretty good job on
Chase today and Higgins look like, I don't know Calvin
Johnson out there, I mean he was, oh my god.

(52:11):
And right when he hits that, you're like, are the
Bengals gonna get right back in this game? I mean
they scored in like two plays. The Bills defense, Josh
Allen is clearly good enough to win a championship. Their
team is not. You cannot you have no chance in
the College football playoff or the NFL playoffs. Why do
the Packers have a chance not because their offense. Their
offense is fine, it's they have a championship defense Denver.

(52:33):
You have to have an elite defense to have a
chance to win in these big games in January. And
it's how do you trust the bill? They can't cover anybody.
Other pass rushes very hit or miss. They always get
a bunch of injuries. I mean, Josh is doing things
today that I mean some plays you look like Michael Vick's.
Other players will look like Cam Newton, other players that
look like Tom Brady. It's it's it's remarkable. And they

(52:56):
got bailed out by the two interceptions, which listen, the
Bears have kind of like that this year. But you
can't win a championship hoping for a turnover.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Well, when I watched when I watched New England go
into Buffalo and really control the game, and I still
think I'd argue the Patriots are in a little bit
of a rebuild. I still think they need one more draft,
and they need to get a little more explosive in
the run game. They need a number one receiver. They're
o lines. Okay. When I watched New England beat them,

(53:25):
I was just like this, I mean, God, Vrabel just
got the town, and I feel they've got a lot
of good Okay, Josh is great. I like James Cook
a lot, But I just think when I look at Buffalo,
I just think there's a lot of good players. And
then I watched Detroit, or I watch the Rams, or

(53:46):
I watched Green Bay, and I see great players. I
don't see a lot of great players with outside of
Josh Allen. I just I think Dion Dawkins is a
very good left tackle. James Cook I like a lot,
but I mean watched Drake may move the ball in him.
I Joe Burrow today and that one pick sixth right,
it was the line through about four yards. You're like,

(54:06):
oh god, Joe. But when they came back and I
mean literally they threw the ball to the tight end
that used to play at Miami, Mike, is it Gseki? Yeah,
I mean you made it one at cash and then
there's like all play later You're like, they're in the
end zone. I mean, that just can't. You're on the road,
it's snowing. That's not the way you can score. So

(54:27):
they're I just I think the one thing Buffalo has
going for him, Josh and James Cook can pick up
first downs and they're they're a tight end dominant team
if they play in crappy weather in New England, Buffalo,
wherever they play, they're kind of built for crappy weather
because they they're not a vertical team. I mean, they

(54:49):
just gave Davis had two catches. That was their big
receiving target. Where they're the opposite of the Miami Dolphins,
like when they had Waddle and Tyree. They're kind of
they're kind of built for crappy weather because I mean,
I generally you don't want a great quarterback to play
in the snow, but their defense is so mediocre you

(55:13):
don't want to play on a fast track if you're Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I think it feels like now, I get they've had
some injuries over the years, but part of defense, especially
when you're good, you got to hit on some random
like third like you gotta find like a Landman, you know,
you gotta find like a random guy in the third
or fourth round that becomes an All Pro. And you
just watch their defensive talent, you're like, I don't really
see it, and then immediately you know Maxwell, the kid

(55:37):
they drafted from Kentucky, they're depending on him to be
like their best defensive back. They had a pretty bad week.
I mean, this is kind of inside baseball, but they
cut a guy that they liked to claim Darius Slay.
He quits, the kid they cut gets claimed by the Texans,
So all of a sudden, they're just out a guy.
And those are the type moves when you're the Bills.
It's one thing if you're just the Cardinals and you're

(55:59):
just doing different moves the Bills are, you can't. That's
a pretty devastating type transaction, especially when the guy that
you cut gets claimed by another probably playoff team in
the Texans. You're just like, this is this is not ideal,
especially on the defensive side of the ball. I'd also say,
if you're the Bills, the Steelers defense has been beyond

(56:20):
awful and they just cut Darius Lay. Why are you
even messing with that? Why would you even want to
acquire him? So I just think they defensively can't get
it figured out from a personnel standpoint, because offensively, Cook
is I'd say this year Gibbs is the best running back.
Cook's top two or three running back.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
And if you got Josh Allen, if King Kaiden Knocks
are on the field, like you can mix and match
with Shakir and you know Keon Coleman every once in
a while, and gave Davis if you got the two type.
The offense is fine because Josh will make enough plays,
but defensively, you just you're not gonna win in the
playoffs with Maybe if you get a match up and
Josh just go superhuman against bo Nix has a bad game,

(56:59):
you can pull it off, but if you're playing a
real quarterback, you just can't get stops, and that that's
kind of been their problem, you know, over the years.
But I feel like this defense personnel that we're watching
on the field is worse than it's been over the
last three or four years, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yep. Let's bounce around to four different games. Let's talk
Titans thirty one Cleveland Browns. I think it's twenty nine,
shitter twenty three or forty two, three touchdowns, ninety eight
passer rating. Cleveland special teams actually lost in the game.
Like most bad teams or special teams are awful, Cleveland

(57:34):
was missing six to seven starters and still had over
four hundred yards in bad weather six and a half
yards per play. I think shitter is very uneven. You know,
he'll throw a bad pick every week. So I watched
him and cam Ward. Cam's the much better athlete. But
I will tell you watching shaduor I said it last week,
I'll say it again. It reminds me of the Colorado Shadour.

(57:58):
He throws a bad pick. He's not super athletic. He
likes to throw the ball down the field. He's not overwhelmed. Again,
I don't think he has a special traite, but to
get four hundred yards that's a bad receiving corps. I mean,
it really is a bad receiving corps. Titans aren't any good.
But I think my take is on Schadeur. He's good

(58:21):
enough to start in the league.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Isn't he well for the Browns? I mean, to me,
he's better in Dylan Gabriel. So I do think it
puts into question, like you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the
third round because Shador the touchdown he threw to Judy. Now,
granted the Titans, he's wide open that drive throw, Like,
I don't even think Dylan Gabriel can make it, and
there is just some natural playmaker to him. I mean

(58:44):
the touchdown he threw to the tight end in the corner.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Like he's just that's a Colorado type play, yep. And
he does just bring you some more explosive plays than
anything you've had. I do think it puts into question
of like, and they were not alone. No one was
drafted in Chador, So I don't blame like fifth round.
He was there for a reason because none of the
other teams wanted him, But like, you took another quarterback

(59:08):
who clearly isn't even close to his talented is this
guy and your organization is like the Browns are a
bad organization. Yeah, for a team that has some good players,
they sure lose a lot of games. And then a
story's coming out there bringing to Shaun Watson back. You know,
it's like, what are we doing? I think that chadoor is.
I mean, at this point in time, it's going to

(59:28):
be so loud that he's going to have to start
the rest of the season. He should, but it's like,
clearly Stefanski was never on board with this decision. I
don't have as much of a problem. He's gonna take
a lot of crap for that two point play. It
was open if he hands him the ball, but You
could also argue, why are you getting so tricky on
a two point play when your quarterback's kind of humming?

(59:50):
This has a t bow like quality to it, though
now he's a Chador is a much better passer room
team much not even I mean Tebau was not an
NFL passer. Chador clearly is. But there is a quality
of just the people talking about the situation that because
I'm thinking, I'm looking at the games like, well, I
kind of do have to pay attention to Titans Browns.

(01:00:10):
If it was Dalan Gabriel, I wouldn't have watched, That's right,
you know. And he does bring that and he makes
enough plays like this offense wasn't remember how bad they
were with Dylan Gabriel. They couldn't function.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, they didn't turn it over, but couldn't function. I
you know. My takeaway on him is if you look
mostly like you look in college, then I think it's
going to work. So I think he's a franchise quarterback.
I think all these guys, Bonnicks is more talented. Bonicks
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app today. Denver. It's the most lobsided twenty four to
seventeen game I've ever watched. At one point, bo Nicks
was twenty five of thirty. It was like pitching cash.
They had a fourteen play drive and eighteen play drive.
Denver just wanted the game over and nobody hurt and
to get on the plane. They had these long like

(01:01:47):
death by a thousand cut drives. At one point in
the third quarter, Bonnicks the Denver had like two hundred
and sixty yards and the Raiders had seventy five. So
it wasn't really that close. I gotta tell you, there's
a lot of talk. Brady has gotten much better as
a broadcaster, much more comfortable. He can't be comfortable with

(01:02:09):
what's going on with the Raiders because again, this game
wasn't close. Denver's getting better. The Chargers will eventually get
their tackles back. They may beat Philadelphia tomorrow Kansas City's
Kansas City. You think the Raiders will blow it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Up, Well, they're the worst team in the league right now.
I mean, at least the Titans showed to the life today.
I mean, they're no one's playing worse than the Raiders.
That the moment Mims took that back, I'm like, I
don't really need to pay attention to this game anymore.
They got no shot. I think the problem with Pete
Carroll is they hired this guy who had been making
fifteen million dollars and setting the tone and deciding everything

(01:02:46):
for twenty years, to then tell him what to do. Now,
you could argue, why do you even hire a seventy
five year old in the first place, But if you
are going to hire him, Brady clearly forced Chip Kelly
on him, and then Pete forced him to run Shane
wa Aldron's offense to Chip Kelly. It's like, this is
the type stuff the Browns do. You know, part of
getting Brady was to kind of stabilize everything. But listen,

(01:03:09):
Tom is the greatest player of all time and he's
a very successful guy, but he's never ran a franchise.
Bill did that. You know, Bill made a lot of
moves that Tom didn't like. It kind of worked a
lot of the times for a lot many of those
years getting rid of You think Tom would have got
rid of Welker. Of course not. You know. So it's
like being and hiring the coaches. It's a little more complicated.

(01:03:30):
I think there are a lot of gms throughout the
league they're like, yeah, Tom is a little harder than
you think. Huh, this isn't as easy because guess what
Pete and Chip they got. They have egos like their players.
These guys are used to making a lot of money,
put mixing and matching coaching staffs I'd argue is a
lot like building a locker room. You got to be
very careful about the way you do that. Personalities, Mesh

(01:03:53):
and the chip Kelly thing never made any sense if
Pete Carroll didn't want them, which clearly was the case.
Pete had no leverage and he was desperate for a job.
You could argue was desperate to fail the moment they
hired Pete Carroll if they weren't going to give him
the power to hire who he wanted as his coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Well, and John Schneider, the GM of the Seahawks and Pete,
but it heads on Pete's son, so he you know,
Pete wanted him on the scouting staff Snyder. Snyder basically said,
he's I'm taking him off the scouting staff. Let's John
wanted him gone, Pete put him on the coaching staff. Well,
there's some stories that Chip Kelly and Pete's son did

(01:04:30):
not see eye to eye in terms of running the
ball or game planning, you know whatever. I think one
of the things I've said this about Bill Belichick and
that North Carolina Mike Lombardi staff, it's a friends and
family staff. I remember years ago AJ Smith wouldn't let
Marty Schottenheimer put his son on the staff. I just

(01:04:52):
think Pete's at a different He made a lot of money,
you know, he wants his son and the staff. Chip.
I haven't talked to Chip, but I think that I
know in Seattle that did not. There was real fissures
between John Snyder and Pete that I've had two sources
tell me. So it's a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I also think the Raiders last year had the opportunity.
I think they thought for some reason they were kind
of close. Yeah, like they should have just hired some
they should have been all in on, like trying to
get Liam Kohen or whatever. Because remember Brady really wanted
Ben Johnson. But Ben's no dummy. He's like, listen to,
your team's not even close to was good enough. I'm
not taking my shot to come here. But why not
hire another young offensive guy. Because once you hire Pete,

(01:05:35):
Pete's trying to win every single game like it's the
last game he's ever going to coach. That's not really
the position the Raiders were in. And listen, they made
a mistake. And I'm a big John spytech guy, but
they should have traded Max Crosby this offseason because their
team wasn't gonna be any good. But Pete Carroll would
have put his body in front of that trade, right,
So you just not everyone's on the same page. And

(01:05:56):
I do think the other stories it is very difficult
when you're in Brady's position, who clearly has a lot
of juice. I think there was Diana Rassini's article. He's
been there like twice all season. So you're making these decisions.
You're not in the building, John Schneider, Howie Roseman. They're
spending twelve hours a day, every day, for three hundred
and twenty days a year inside the building with the players,
with the coaches, with the owner. It's really hard in

(01:06:20):
this type. You can do that in some companies, right,
Football is not one of those where you can just live,
you know, on the other side of the country and
just phone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
In, Yeah, I mean you. I was watching a clip
this week somebody was talking about Jerry West and everybody said, oh,
Jerry was a genius, and this person said, no, every
time you went anywhere, Jerry West was in the gym,
and Brad Stevens to the Celtics, go anywhere any college
basketball game, he's in the gym. You got to put

(01:06:49):
the time in. I mean, that's just the reality. Howie Roseman,
he's on a plane one hundred and fifty days a year.
I mean, that's the reality of these guys. John Snyder,
I know, John, We've seen Indiana play, you know. Yeah.
John Snyder's not a TV guy. He's a get to
a game guy. Reportedly like he wants to be at
a game. So, speaking of Seattle, they tagged Atlanta thirty

(01:07:13):
seven to nineteen. This is the sixth time Seattle has
beaten the team may not be the last this regular
season by fourteen points or more. If you look at
the history of Super Bowl winners, that's the number super
Bowl teams get to six ugly blowout wins they dominate.
A Rashid Saheed had his best game as a Seahawk,

(01:07:33):
who they got from the Saints. This is interesting. In
the last two years, Sam Donald's had two different head coaches,
two different coordinators, two different O lines. Now he's got
the second youngest offense. Do you know Sam Donald the
last two years has the most wins of any quarterback,
the third most touchdown passes, and the second most passing yards.

(01:07:55):
It is official, and he had a winning record in Carolina.
It is official. Eliminate the Jets from Sam Darnold's career.
I watched them again today, JSN two more touchdowns. I'm sorry,
but Donald's a franchise guy. He is, He's big, he's strong,
he loves the deep ball. He's got. This Seattle offense

(01:08:16):
is a bunch of kids. And I'm not saying this
because I've always liked him. Urray's USC We just have
to be honest. If you go two different teams, two
different staffs, two different coordinators, two different we didn't know
if JSM was a number one receiver. He's arguably the
best receiver in the league. Donald's legit. He'll have bad games,
but he's he's legit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah, I mean, I think he's going to be defined
by how he plays against the Rams here coming up
in a couple of weeks in the playoffs, right, because
there's no disputing his regular season prowess. And I think
this division. I just pulled up all three schedules. You know,
the Rams are technically in first place because they won
the game head to head. You know, the Rams now
are going to be playing the Lions, who are coming

(01:08:57):
off a long week because they played on Thursday's a
massive game. The Lion's still fighting for their playoff lives.
The I'm looking at Seattle. They're playing the Colts this week,
whose quarterback just tore his achilles and they got Riley
Leonard and Anthy Richardson. They got problems. They are cults
are headed the wrong way for that cooked Niners coming
off a bye, they get the Titans. So this division,

(01:09:19):
you know, the Niners, it doesn't feel like should be
right there with these teams. But they've already beat the Rams,
They've already beat Seattle. They play Seattle at the end
of the season in San Francisco. Now the Niners in
a couple weeks have the Bears. That's a massive game.
But that same week the Rams in Seattle play. I'm
pretty sure that's a Thursday night game. So you know,
you get Seattle. Will assume they beat the Colts. You

(01:09:41):
I'll give the Rams a benefit doubt. Let's say they
beat the Lions. That's that game could determine the division
right there in Seattle. I think to me, that game
all the pressure would be on on Sam because clearly
that first game, you know, throw all those picks. You know,
I think people kind of just combine that with a
couple of games the end of last year. But you
just watch them in these rand games. I just think
their team. You know, if I had to say who

(01:10:03):
has the best, you I think the Niners offense pretty
good and the Rams offense is really good. Right Seattle's
defense to me, the Rams dbs, you just it's hard
to trust, you know, when you get in certain moments.
Seattle's defense top to bottom. They might have the best
defensive backfield right there with Denver in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Well, you ever, you watch these teams every couple of years,
you'll get a team and they just look more athletic
than other teams. Seattle, if you turn the sound down
and just watch Seattle, they're fast, like their ends rush,
they're tight, ends run well, their backs run well. Seattle
is super athletic. And Darnald is a playmaker, so he's athletic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
How would you because to me, I just think the Niners.
You miss Fred Warner, it's you know, it's gonna be hard.
Caleb scrambling around, you know, the playoff game. I just
think that's gonna come up in a big moment. Defensively,
I would I might still have Seattle one. The only
reason he kind of hesitates, like I do trust Stafford
a little bit more, you know, but it's like Eli

(01:11:04):
couldn't do it till he did it. You know, some
of these guys, like I do think Dak Prescott is
good enough to win a super Bowl, but you'd be like, well,
he's been awful in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
True.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
You know, some guys like James are clearly melts down,
like he has a long history, like maybe that is deck.
Maybe he'll just always melt down in these playoff games.
But I also see him in big normal games look good. Yeah,
I see Sam Darnold. You know, I think in two
weeks that Rams game, I don't want to say career definer,
and he's twenty eight years old, but it's there's gonna
be a big spotlight. That's what a great Thursday night game.

(01:11:35):
That's that's in Seattle too. That's gonna could be raining,
that could get ugly. It actually could benefit Seattle. Just
run the ball, slow it down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Play d Rams forty five Arizona seventeen. Rams had over
five hundred yards offense and almost nine yards of play
not competitive. Kuka Nakua was absolutely fantastic, so was Stafford
the editor. Thing about the Rams is they're healthy, They're
just dissecting teams. Arizona is a lost franchise. I mean,

(01:12:04):
you live in the state. I'm not sure bid well
on down, it doesn't matter. It's a Do you have
any takeaway on that at all?

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Uh No? I mean the Cardinals, God, they are see
that some of these jobs, you like the Titans, like
people are gonna people want to go be the head
coach of the Titans. Like the Cardinals, they fire everybody.
I get it's the NFL, and it pays a lot
of money. These jobs are terrible. I mean they are awful.
And it just gets back to ownership and you look.
You look at this division now, I mean, is there

(01:12:34):
a better coach division with McVeigh McDonald and Kyle Shanahan.
I mean it's like it's not even close. It feels
like it'd probably be Sean Payton, Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh.
And that's where if you're the Raiders, like, what do
we do? How do we get up to those milling guys?
I think the answer is you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I think about this all the time. I was surprised
when Sean Payton took the job with Denver because I'm like,
oh my god, they're a mess. There's the Russell Wilson cap.
What the hell is he gonna do? And you know,
Sean knew there was good there was some good college
quarterbacks coming up, and Sean has a lot of confidence
in himself. But and also you know, Andy Reid was

(01:13:09):
getting older and Mahomes was getting expensive. And but that
division now, I mean Mike McDonald and Sean McVay. Mike
McDonald reminds me of the defense of Sean McVay. And
then Shannon's probably the best scheme coach in the league.
So like Arizona's just I mean, that feels like you
can say what you want about Cleveland, but Pittsburgh's wobbly.

(01:13:30):
What's up with Lamar? Cincinnati's cheap. You know, you can
bang on Cleveland, but if Cleveland landed Mendoza or something
at quarterback, you'd be like, I think when the division easily,
Arizona's trapped.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
But Denver's a great example, right once Walmart took over
that franchise, don't they have like four kids that are
in the top twenty of wealth in the world. I
mean the money that they're dealing with is on a
different level than what ninety five percent of NFL owners, Like,
what does the Walmart family have in common with Bob
Kraft in terms of money? I mean, it's the levels

(01:14:05):
we're talking. They are on a very very short list
as a family. I'm not even talking as an individual.
So I mean, the bidwells are so cheap they're Listen,
Jonathan Annon. I don't know if he's good or bad,
and it's hard to even tell, but you hit your
wagon to Kyler Murray and this gets back to you know,
he was the number one pick, but it was still

(01:14:26):
a little bit of a risk for Ben Johnson to
take that job. But it's pretty clear Ben Johnson probably
be good no matter if Ben Johnson been the Raiders coach.
Might not be a playoff team. But I guarantee you
they're not two and whatever they are, right, he's the
real deal. But vrabelnew like, I'm going back, you better
have a quarterback because in this you could put Mike
Rabel with Theirs on a Cardinals. He's probably not making
the playoffs very often, so in this isn't college where

(01:14:48):
it's like, oh, I just lose my quarterback to the draft,
We'll just go buy Fernando Mendoza. Right, That's not the
way it works. And now you hit your wagon to
Kyler Murray and you're in the situation you're in where
you got Jacobe set running around there down thirty points.
It's like, what are we even doing? And like the
Rams game, there's no takeaway. I do think though they

(01:15:11):
you know, last week they lose the Panthers, who sometimes
you do that, you know, the West coast East coast flight.
But the one thing the Panthers can do they can
throw the ball pretty well. I mean they got a
couple of wide receivers and they kind of expose their dB.
So I do think this was a little bit of
a rallying spot of like, hey man, we got a plus.
You don't have any margin. If you're the Rams, Seattle
or the Four Tricks, you probably got to win thirteen

(01:15:35):
and four probably wins you the division. So you know,
a miss field goal here, a screw up here, all
of a sudden, you're the sixth seed playing I don't know,
Green Bay or Axie. It can get a lot more difficult,
really quick.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Let's wrap it up with this Minnesota thirty one, Washington nothing.
JJ McCarthy played well. Washington probably has, they've lost eight straight,
probably has the worst defense in the league. It may
not be particularly close. Almost every Washington defender on PFF
is like near the bottom of their position in the sport.
I thought I was JJ McCarthy's best game, sixteen to

(01:16:09):
twenty three, three tds, no picks that were very, very
good in the red zone. It was a smart game plan.
Then one of the things that really jumps out to
me now is Washington had three turnovers and they're just
a horrible franchise. A year after they shock the world,
Jayden Daniels got banged up again, and I'm sitting there
watching him when he's cringing on the field, and I'm like, man,

(01:16:34):
but if you go back to his rookie year. Remember
he got banged up in his rookie year. And I'm
sitting there thinking, if you told me in one year
he'd missed another eight nine games, I'd be like, I
wouldn't be shocked. There is value in like bo Nicks
doesn't get hurt, Caleb doesn't get hurt. Drake May got

(01:16:58):
beat up his first year. He blew tened it. It
doesn't miss games like I The Jade and Daniel thing
is fascinating because it was the best rookie season statistically
in the history of the sport, and a year later physically,
I have real issues.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Yeah, I mean I think it's the knock on him.
Going back to LSU was the reckless nature in which
he played. And you look at Caleb and you look
at bo Nicks, well, they're kind of built physically a
little bit different than him. I mean, Caleb's built like
a tank. Drake May's big. You look at Jayden Daniels,
you know, he looks pretty slender. I tried to look
his way. I don't think he waded into the combine,

(01:17:36):
but he's just not He's not exactly built like you know,
Lamar's thickened up as he's gotten older. It is really important.
I also think Washington, you know, you get there, you
have success out of nowhere, and they went all in
on this season and it is backfired. I mean, if
you're if you're a draft nerd, the two crazy things.

(01:17:56):
Every time I look up and Atlanta's down thirty, I
go the Rams have their first round pick, and for
the Texans traded Laramie Tunzel to Washington. They did it
for a third last draft and a second in this
upcoming draft. Well that pick for Washington could be like
pick thirty five. So the Texans all of a sudden,
can you know they haven't had picks because of the
Will Anderson trade. All of a sudden, you get this

(01:18:16):
great Washington pick. I mean, you look at the Rams
and the Texans. That's that's a big time ammo for
those two teams. And you know they're old, they're quarterbacks,
banged up a lot, they have some explosive playmaker. Zach
Hurtz shattered his leg today. You know their defense.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Is just atrocious though.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
I mean it's it's really bad. And this you know,
one story I saw today is Sirianni's getting more involved
with the offense. Well, it's like Dan Campbell, Okay, my
offensive coordinator is bad. I need to get more involved
than what happens. They look more explosive, So I go listen.
I give Dan credit. That's he's an offensive guy. Siriana,
you're an offensive guy. Monday night, your offense should look better.

(01:18:53):
Dan Quinn's a defensive guy. I just watched him for years.
Helped turn Jerry's team into a twelve win team. Remember
how good they were on defense with Micah Parsons and
Dan Quinn. How. I get your personnel's bad, but you
should be a little bit. You made j J. McCarthy,
who statistically was the worst quarterback since JaMarcus Russell, actually
looked pretty good today. I mean it's hard to argue, right,

(01:19:13):
he looked. He looked better and like a lot of
these other young quarterbacks throughout the league. So I think
if you're Washington, you're going God. Maybe that last year
was It almost feels a little bit like the Giants
that year when they made the playoffs and they beat Minnesota,
and then the next three years were just a train wreck.
Could be different because of Jaden Daniels. But if you
can't stay on the field, who cares? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
No, I mean if you start looking at the teams
that consistently make the playoffs, like we thought, Houston, Oh
what happened to Houston? Well, Houston's a good football team now,
like to meet go Ryan's defense and the guys upstairs drafting,
you know, we always kind of look at Houston like,
I don't know, like Jacksonville. We'll say what you want,
but I watched Jacksonville today. Like, Jacksonville's got a lot

(01:19:56):
of good players. They've hit on a lot of those
draft picks. Travis Hunter is not even a fact there.
They got two backs, they got two ends. So there
are these outlier seasons, John, where a team just gets
hot the division's week, you know, and I you know
that gets hurt. The Cowboys are bad, the Giants are worse.
They didn't have Jackson Dard. It's I don't know. I

(01:20:18):
look at Washington and I'm like, they need nine more players.
They need so many more players there, and this, Hey,
good for JJ. He needed a game like this again.
They ran, they passed, They just you can just watch football.
You watch Seattle's defense, You're like, damn, they're fast. You
like Washington. They can't bully, they can't run, they can't cover,

(01:20:40):
They're awful. It's just a they got very few good players.
All right, let's do our Monday night football Hard Rock
bet pick it's the Eagles. They'll probably have home field
advantage at sofar sixty forty minus two against the Chargers
team that is winning despite having the lowest rated offensive

(01:21:02):
line there are teams you can get away with that.
I think if you have the Chargers online, Denver and
Philadelphia are teams that you could really struggle. I just
see the Chargers struggling to sustain drives two really special defenses.
I'm gonna take Philadelphia to win twenty four to twenty.

(01:21:28):
It's a really big game for both, but I'll take
the healthier roster.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
A lot of institutional knowledge. You know, Harba's two coordinators
in San Francisco, Fangio, Greg Roman Jalen Carter. Though earlier
this week those shoulder surgeries, you know he's out. If
you told me he was in this game, I'd be
like audios for Justin Herbert. Obviously Justin Herbert coming off
the injury. I'm taking Harbaugh though, as a home dog.

(01:21:54):
I mean, this is a classic spot where Jim Harbaugh
has just won his whole career when you kind of
count him out. I think Hampton the running back supposed
to be back. If if Herbert can be like Aaron
Rodgers there with a cast and sling that thing around,
I think this Eagles thing gets gets uglier before it
gets better.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Great nice job, John

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
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