August 24, 2025 • 20 mins
Daniel Cormier is BACK, highlighting the best of his DC Check-Ins from UFC 319. Khamzat Chimaev beat Dricus Du Plessis to win the Middleweight Championship and Lerone Murphy knocked out Aaron Pico to set himself up for a title opportunity against Alexander Volkanovski.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume as always were working in. Today's episode is
brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless provider
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data that won't slow you down. Hamsat Chimaya, Right, he's
(00:31):
the Boogeyman. We have conversations about why he's the boogeyman
most people. Since we were children, we have been told
the Boogeyman comes at night and he's scary. You want
to avoid the Boogeyman. You don't want to deal with him.
You put your head under the cover. If the boogeyman's
in the room with you as a little boy, you're
(00:52):
calling them out. While everybody else is putting their heads
under the covers. You as the champion, walk to the
post fight pres conference and say Tomayah next. Why I
have to.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Every since the day I started the sport, I wanted greatness.
That was what That's what I was chasing. I never
chased money, I never chased fame. I never if this,
If this sport.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Was not paying, I would be struggling to get by.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
To be honest with let me ask you this, champ,
I love that that point, right, he said, the belt
doesn't matter to him. No, it's about the money. Can
you guys have different motivations and still fight at the
same rate, right, like, at the same level, because if
you're doing more with that love and he's literally telling
me that he's not doing he wants the money, you know, Like,
(01:43):
can you fight at the same level when there's such
a difference in the approach.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You can, But you can't fight me with that as
your motivation. You will be paying all that money to
get out of there. If you're in there with me
for five rounds.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
If the money is your motivation, that motivation monkey will
drive away quickly. Money.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
There's no amount of money that's gonna keep you in
that fight. When I'm in there willing to give my
life to win. There's money can't buy that. And there's
only one thing. It has to be bigger than you.
Money is not bigger than me. Passion, legacy and achievement.
That's bigger than me. Where my country's flag and being
(02:24):
making hissue of my country, bringing that about back home.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not about about It's about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Bringing that victory home, representing my country, my people, my team,
my family, my crest, my kids. One day, are going
to look at that that is worth more than any
amount of money. And that's what I fight for when
I go out there, to be remembered forever.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What what what when you guys break down SHAMAIAV what
makes them so dangerous? I mean, it's it's the start, right,
it's a takedown, It's the aggressiveness, it's the grappling. Is
there anything that I'm missing, like because I don't look
at him as an opponent, right, I've never had to.
But when you as his opponent watch him and your
coaches outside of the fast start, the quick takedown, the
(03:10):
avalanche coming downhill, what is there to hams at your
mind that makes them so dangerous? Or do you even
view him as dangerous?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think he's an incredibly dangerous opponent. I think he
has the striking to put you down with one strike.
He has enough power for that. He has the wrestling
to fall back on. If the striking goes south and underground,
he can do it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
He's an all around fighter with that. He's never lost,
so he has grown used to winning. And I think
his whole mindset it works around confidence in training within
his team. This man does not lose in training. I
don't think he does. I've only heard he doesn't, and
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that makes him dangerous because in his mind he only wins.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You have to teach him how to lose.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You have to teach him how to lose him.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's why I'm here because I know what it's like
to lose in training every single day. I have felt
defeat in the professional era as well, and it sucks.
Giving up when you know what it feels like to
lose is a lot harder, and giving up if you
don't know, maybe it's not that bad. But Humsad is
(04:20):
dangerous because he goes out there and he believes that
he can do what he wants to. He is that
guy on in the school yard who does whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He wants to and he doesn't get into trouble.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, I'm the other guy who just got into the
school and you're not going to get your way with me.
And that is why this is such a great fight.
You have two bullies. Who's going out there to see
who's the man on the block.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, Laarl Murphy undefeated, one of the highest rateed guys
in the UFC. Aaron not many guys have come over
and had success recently, Marcus just came over got beat
I had no idea he got beat Marcus, but got
beat by that beat him so bad that they cut him.
The fight was that bad the winner got cut. Patchy
(05:07):
Mix didn't fight to his ability when he got here.
Patricio Pittbull didn't fight to his ability when he got here.
Michael Chandler's two and five or two and six, Right, now,
what are you gonna do different? Right? Because at this
point the expectation is that the guys come over and
it's not the same as coach, coach, you tell you
(05:28):
when we came here from Strikeforce, guys won, right, So
it was like the Strike Force guys win. The Belaitor
guys haven't. Like, what are you gonna do to make
sure that you're not on that side? Especially when a
guy like Laurn Murphy as the opponent. Well, I can.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I don't want to sound cocky or anything like that.
You know, they're all great fighters, but I'm Aaron Pico. Yeah,
it's it's different in my mind, and that is a concern.
I'd be stupid to say, like, yeah, guys have lost.
But Coach Gibson used you as an example. It used
shrike for as days. These guys came over and they won,
(06:04):
and it can be done, and it's possible, and you
have the skills to do it.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
So I.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Trust my coaches.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I I know how I work and what I know.
I can compete with the best guys in the world.
But I'm not one of those guys that comes over
and h and says, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do this
and do that. No, I know that this is the
best fighting organization in the world. And I'm not naive.
I'm not stupid like I'm just gonna come in here.
I know what I'm gonna do, but I have to
(06:34):
go out there and prove it. You know, I keep
I still keep my mind sharp. I've taken losses before.
I know what it feels like to lose. And with
that being said, I've trained my ass off. I've dotted
every you know, I dot my eyes and cross my
t's and all I can do is go go out
on Saturday night and do my job.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
If I do that, I feel.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'll get my hand raise.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So Lron Murphy's a guy that he just wins. Right.
It's not always the most fan friendly, even though it's striking,
but he just knows how to create situations where he
always comes out in front. He's fast, he's big, he's explosive,
and he's just a flat out winner. How do you
approach that challenge? Whenever you found out it was Look,
(07:21):
most don't want to fight a Loyev because of the
wrestling you that's not an issue, right, So I'm preparing
for another wrestler that gets me excited. It's easier for
the wrestler, especially one of our caliber. But when you
get a guy like Lron who doesn't seem to have
that ability, but he's just a much better striker and
a guy, it seems very very good overall, Like, what
(07:42):
did you guys make? And I know Coach Gibson is
a great coach, right, I've had to fight him on
multiple occasions compete against him, and I respect him tremendously.
But what's the original thought when you get Loron Murphy
now instead of if Loyev and you guys get some
tough ass fights when you first get here, you ain't
getting no easier fights when you Joo. Yeah, it's a
good question.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I think I'm gonna you're a wrestler, so you know
when you watched my wrestling match against Jordan Oliver.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yep, Jordan Oliver is.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
The best at footwork and he and he's uh, he's
he fakes, he jukes.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
He he can, he's fast how to win. And what
I did was is I put pressure. I just smother.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You have to smother him. Of course, fighting is a
little bit different, and I am aware of that. I
can't just go in there and just go guns blazing,
but I have to smother him. I have to make
it basically, make his life stressful in that that octagon.
I can't you know, Oh, let me show you my
footwork and let's dance. No, it's we gotta make the
fight ugly. When we take him down, we got to
bust him up with elbows. So when he does get up,
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he's his uh, his gas, his gas is going a
little bit. The fakes, the jukes, the running is a
little bit less. And it's just one of those fights
where you're like, I gotta I gotta fucking go. Yeah,
there's no time to let's see how good I am
and my striking and let's go tip for tat. Now
you got to make this fight ugly.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Lauren, When did you get when did you hear of this,
like the make Comain event UFC three nineteen, Like, what
was your initial thought?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Because he was gonna fight a lawyer two wrestling guys.
You're a striker, right, Like what was your thought when
they said, hey, we want you to fight Aaron Pico
at UFC three nineteen outside of just give me more money, right,
because most people want more money to fight, like, of course,
get paid, But like, what was your original thought? For me?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I just need a big breakthrough. I need I need
a chance. I need an opportunity to get where I
need to get and not to the title fight. So
for me, it's like the opportunity couldn't pass up. A
lot of people would say sit out and wait for
a better fight, but for me, it's a massive cad
and a massive spot comine event. Couldn't pass it up.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So when you look at this fight, like what does
it do for Laurent Murphy Because you're undefeated, You're the
guy that has a long win streak in the UFC,
You're the guy that would seem to be getting very
close to a championship opportunity. What's the win in this
for you? Outside of being on the big card.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
The win is supposed to be the number one content
to fight before, like you said, it's supposed to fight Mothsa.
Dana come out and said that that's the number one
contented spot. So I've been shifted into that place now
in my eyes. So with a win over r and Pako,
I'm next in line.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh you want a title you should have a title
shot for sure.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Who's who's more deserving than me? Movsar was, but he
pulled out a fight. So I believe I'm noan now
if I.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Win, and if you win, that would obviously lead to
a championship opportunity, hopeful against Alexander Volkanowski. Like you when
you do you likee something of that? Like, man, I've
been doing this for so long. I could be on
the verge of fighting for a UFC championship and really
changing my life.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, for sure, but I can't look past this weekend.
It's a big weekend and obviously in my mind for
for a long time, it's been in the UFC A
four of fighting alex Volkanowski. He's been the guy at
the top for for a while and it so yeah,
I've gotta get through R and p CO first and
then hopefully that's next.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
In it, you said in it, he said he's been
the guy at the top in it? In it, in
it like I n N I T yeah, So like
is it?
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Like isn't he?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Same things in it in it we say in it
in Manchester we say in it as in yeah, right, so.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Volkan has been a man at the top of the
division for a long time.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
In it, yes, I mean, I'm trying to get you
to agree with me, Like, what do you think in it?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay? Okay? In it? That was I never Yeah, how
would you say that, Danny in your culture? I understand,
but what would you say?
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Is it? He?
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yeah, that's proper English? But but you're English's quick, like
we speak quick.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, he speak quick. That's good. So he is the
champion in the weight class. But you got to get
through Aaron. Aaron presents some unique problems because he's been
he's been boxing since he was a little boy. He's
been wrestling she was a little boy. What have you
done specifically to make sure that you can handle the wrestling,
because that's one thing. I mean, Josh Emmitt was a
(12:13):
good wrestler, right, you fought many good wrestlers. What have
you done specifically to make sure that Aaron Picle doesn't
try to use that wrestling and just ground you? Because
if I'm fighting Laurel Murphy, You're if it's a fifteen
minute fight, my intention is to have you on your
back for twelve of them. Yes, taking you down in
the first minute of every round, because then that gives
me an opportunity to slow you down. Your footwork and
(12:34):
everything is what really does frustrate people and make it
hard to fight. What have you done to make sure
that isn't the case comes Saturday night?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Well, I know that, I know that most people's game plans,
So I've been working on the life my lifetime really
in MMA. So I think I've had to back opponents. Well,
I've got me ready for that, Danny gay Gooler as well,
Josh emmittt same and Cookoff as well. So I feel
like I've come on Lee and bonds over the fights
and got the experience.
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Speaker 1 (14:28):
The video of us in Abu Dhabi a couple of
years ago has been circulating again. You know where we
were wrestling at the hotel, and then that was the
first time in Fight Island. You kind of picked me
up a little bit, but like a little bit off
the ground. Then the second time we were wrestling again
in Abu Dhabi and you pick me up a little higher.
(14:49):
It never felt disrespectful until today. You can't pick me
up and spin me around.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I'm a grown man shoving you love, bro, but you
picked me.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
I'm not a child leg spin He looks cute, Bro,
Why you do that?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Oh? This is Anderson Order. It's a very great company,
my best company. Yeah, it's beautiful. What is this?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Why?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Why always black? You could use a little color in
your wardrobe? What I don't know. You gotta put that
right there? You talk really yeah, well that's that's well.
Look at me, but look at me, Look at my face.
Look at your face, this beautiful black skin, caramel. Your
(15:35):
skin need not beautiful like mine.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
That needs to be beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
What you need to be world champion? You're so crazy
you can't say that. So I'm arguing with Dean Thomas
the other day and we're talking about what you becoming
the world champion would mean for the middleweight division. Part
of the argument was the inactivity. He goes, he does
fight enough, so it'll become a mess. That's the idea
(16:03):
a little bit. But you're here now in the US,
so clearly you can get here to fight. Are you
wanting to get active like you were when you started
your UFC career?
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Of course, of course. I say if you no injury,
nothing's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Diets. We want to go back and defend my best.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You want to fight again in October?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, that's fast, that's good fast money.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What's your expectation for the fight this weekend?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Because I mean Dracs du plus c has been underestimated
time and time again. Hums out. But he's the only
one that said I want hums out next. Everybody else
avoids the hams at Chamaya problem, not DDP.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Yeah, that's respect, big respect, But I never undersmith my opponent.
So I'm just work hard for that fight. So gonna
go and beat that guy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Do you do you look at his skill set and
think that he's like what do you think of his
skill set? It's different.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
All the fighters is different, but.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This guy's skills are different because he must be insanely
strong or something right, because it seems like he's doing
stuff wrong, but it always works out Edisonia like it
looked like Edisonia almost knocked him down. He ends up
with a takedown, right, he overthrows a punch, throws Easy
to the ground, Like, what do you make of his
his fighting.
Speaker 9 (17:20):
Style between Easy and me and big difference, Bro, I'm
not easy, you know he's taking down easier for this
guy then never wrestle, you know. So I'm better rac
that I am a bet to strike, so there's no
way he's gonna do anything, not shriking, not restling, So
I don't feel I'm better fight than anyone.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So back to you being able to fight in the country.
When you're at home, right and you're watching everybody with
these opinions, what are you thinking? Because you never said anything.
You never explained why you weren't fighting more frequently, Like,
what are you thinking? And I remember watching the video
with chall hams, I can't get here and then he
pants to your manager and it was like you were
(18:03):
at the p I like, what were you thinking? Watching
everybody with an opinion but not necessarily knowing what's going on.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Yeah, but I don't care about these things that they
put me in that position, so it's not my fault.
So I was making more money than anyone does.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Don't care about you were making money when you weren't fighting.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
You said, yeah, when I was fights once, I make
more and anyone does, so it's finally gonna fight, So
I'm gonna make more money.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Did you know after the Robert Whitaker fight that title
fight was next?
Speaker 9 (18:39):
You should be They said, like three years ago, I'm
gonna fight for the title, so if it makes a
long time.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What was the first time you heard that you would
give a championship fight?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
After I give a bounce, after.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Gilber Burnsley told you're gonna fight for the bell. Yeah,
so what happened?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Did you ask?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I never asked.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
I said, just give me the fight for the money.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
You said that the other day you said you want
the money, the belt doesn't mean as much to you.
ChIL and I were having a tough time kind of
getting through that because everybody talks about the belt. Everybody
wants the belt. But to hear you say the belt
doesn't mean as much, Like why and when did you
develop that mindset where it wasn't about the belt, it's
(19:23):
about creating a future for your family.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Yeah, haw's a question for you, bro, You want a
ten million dollars or just the belt.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But the belt leads to ten million dollars?
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Hums out If I say to you like, you has
a choice here ten million on just the belt.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, I'm not taking the belt over the money, but
the belt leads to the money. To get to the money, right,
you have to if.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
He works hard, belt is coming, Bro, I need to
beat the guy. Just after that, I don't need to
think about the belt, and it makes some pressure on
my head, you know. So, Yeah, I don't need that belt.
So if I get taken and may even bring that
back to my country and someone.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
What would that feel like to bring that bill back
to you to rush for me?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
It's like, not that crazy thing. I'm not that crazy
big fun.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
But it's gonna be huge though it would be massive
white people.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Yeah, of course, the first guy who has become a
UC champion from Chi, so they there is big for them.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And I always speak, but I like to fight
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the Boogeyman. We have conversations about why he's the boogeyman
most people. Since we were children, we have been told
the Boogeyman comes at night and he's scary. You want
to avoid the Boogeyman. You don't want to deal with him.
You put your head under the cover. If the boogeyman's
in the room with you as a little boy, you're
(00:52):
calling them out. While everybody else is putting their heads
under the covers. You as the champion, walk to the
post fight pres conference and say Tomayah next. Why I
have to.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Every since the day I started the sport, I wanted greatness.
That was what That's what I was chasing. I never
chased money, I never chased fame. I never if this,
If this sport.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Was not paying, I would be struggling to get by.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
To be honest with let me ask you this, champ,
I love that that point, right, he said, the belt
doesn't matter to him. No, it's about the money. Can
you guys have different motivations and still fight at the
same rate, right, like, at the same level, because if
you're doing more with that love and he's literally telling
me that he's not doing he wants the money, you know, Like,
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can you fight at the same level when there's such
a difference in the approach.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You can, But you can't fight me with that as
your motivation. You will be paying all that money to
get out of there. If you're in there with me
for five rounds.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
If the money is your motivation, that motivation monkey will
drive away quickly. Money.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
There's no amount of money that's gonna keep you in
that fight. When I'm in there willing to give my
life to win. There's money can't buy that. And there's
only one thing. It has to be bigger than you.
Money is not bigger than me. Passion, legacy and achievement.
That's bigger than me. Where my country's flag and being
(02:24):
making hissue of my country, bringing that about back home.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not about about It's about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Bringing that victory home, representing my country, my people, my team,
my family, my crest, my kids. One day, are going
to look at that that is worth more than any
amount of money. And that's what I fight for when
I go out there, to be remembered forever.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What what what when you guys break down SHAMAIAV what
makes them so dangerous? I mean, it's it's the start, right,
it's a takedown, It's the aggressiveness, it's the grappling. Is
there anything that I'm missing, like because I don't look
at him as an opponent, right, I've never had to.
But when you as his opponent watch him and your
coaches outside of the fast start, the quick takedown, the
(03:10):
avalanche coming downhill, what is there to hams at your
mind that makes them so dangerous? Or do you even
view him as dangerous?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think he's an incredibly dangerous opponent. I think he
has the striking to put you down with one strike.
He has enough power for that. He has the wrestling
to fall back on. If the striking goes south and underground,
he can do it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
He's an all around fighter with that. He's never lost,
so he has grown used to winning. And I think
his whole mindset it works around confidence in training within
his team. This man does not lose in training. I
don't think he does. I've only heard he doesn't, and
(03:52):
that makes him dangerous because in his mind he only wins.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You have to teach him how to lose.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You have to teach him how to lose him.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's why I'm here because I know what it's like
to lose in training every single day. I have felt
defeat in the professional era as well, and it sucks.
Giving up when you know what it feels like to
lose is a lot harder, and giving up if you
don't know, maybe it's not that bad. But Humsad is
(04:20):
dangerous because he goes out there and he believes that
he can do what he wants to. He is that
guy on in the school yard who does whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He wants to and he doesn't get into trouble.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, I'm the other guy who just got into the
school and you're not going to get your way with me.
And that is why this is such a great fight.
You have two bullies. Who's going out there to see
who's the man on the block.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, Laarl Murphy undefeated, one of the highest rateed guys
in the UFC. Aaron not many guys have come over
and had success recently, Marcus just came over got beat
I had no idea he got beat Marcus, but got
beat by that beat him so bad that they cut him.
The fight was that bad the winner got cut. Patchy
(05:07):
Mix didn't fight to his ability when he got here.
Patricio Pittbull didn't fight to his ability when he got here.
Michael Chandler's two and five or two and six, Right, now,
what are you gonna do different? Right? Because at this
point the expectation is that the guys come over and
it's not the same as coach, coach, you tell you
(05:28):
when we came here from Strikeforce, guys won, right, So
it was like the Strike Force guys win. The Belaitor
guys haven't. Like, what are you gonna do to make
sure that you're not on that side? Especially when a
guy like Laurn Murphy as the opponent. Well, I can.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I don't want to sound cocky or anything like that.
You know, they're all great fighters, but I'm Aaron Pico. Yeah,
it's it's different in my mind, and that is a concern.
I'd be stupid to say, like, yeah, guys have lost.
But Coach Gibson used you as an example. It used
shrike for as days. These guys came over and they won,
(06:04):
and it can be done, and it's possible, and you
have the skills to do it.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
So I.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Trust my coaches.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I I know how I work and what I know.
I can compete with the best guys in the world.
But I'm not one of those guys that comes over
and h and says, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do this
and do that. No, I know that this is the
best fighting organization in the world. And I'm not naive.
I'm not stupid like I'm just gonna come in here.
I know what I'm gonna do, but I have to
(06:34):
go out there and prove it. You know, I keep
I still keep my mind sharp. I've taken losses before.
I know what it feels like to lose. And with
that being said, I've trained my ass off. I've dotted
every you know, I dot my eyes and cross my
t's and all I can do is go go out
on Saturday night and do my job.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
If I do that, I feel.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'll get my hand raise.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So Lron Murphy's a guy that he just wins. Right.
It's not always the most fan friendly, even though it's striking,
but he just knows how to create situations where he
always comes out in front. He's fast, he's big, he's explosive,
and he's just a flat out winner. How do you
approach that challenge? Whenever you found out it was Look,
(07:21):
most don't want to fight a Loyev because of the
wrestling you that's not an issue, right, So I'm preparing
for another wrestler that gets me excited. It's easier for
the wrestler, especially one of our caliber. But when you
get a guy like Lron who doesn't seem to have
that ability, but he's just a much better striker and
a guy, it seems very very good overall, Like, what
(07:42):
did you guys make? And I know Coach Gibson is
a great coach, right, I've had to fight him on
multiple occasions compete against him, and I respect him tremendously.
But what's the original thought when you get Loron Murphy
now instead of if Loyev and you guys get some
tough ass fights when you first get here, you ain't
getting no easier fights when you Joo. Yeah, it's a
good question.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I think I'm gonna you're a wrestler, so you know
when you watched my wrestling match against Jordan Oliver.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yep, Jordan Oliver is.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
The best at footwork and he and he's uh, he's
he fakes, he jukes.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
He he can, he's fast how to win. And what
I did was is I put pressure. I just smother.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You have to smother him. Of course, fighting is a
little bit different, and I am aware of that. I
can't just go in there and just go guns blazing,
but I have to smother him. I have to make
it basically, make his life stressful in that that octagon.
I can't you know, Oh, let me show you my
footwork and let's dance. No, it's we gotta make the
fight ugly. When we take him down, we got to
bust him up with elbows. So when he does get up,
(08:43):
he's his uh, his gas, his gas is going a
little bit. The fakes, the jukes, the running is a
little bit less. And it's just one of those fights
where you're like, I gotta I gotta fucking go. Yeah,
there's no time to let's see how good I am
and my striking and let's go tip for tat. Now
you got to make this fight ugly.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Lauren, When did you get when did you hear of this,
like the make Comain event UFC three nineteen, Like, what
was your initial thought?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Because he was gonna fight a lawyer two wrestling guys.
You're a striker, right, Like what was your thought when
they said, hey, we want you to fight Aaron Pico
at UFC three nineteen outside of just give me more money, right,
because most people want more money to fight, like, of course,
get paid, But like, what was your original thought? For me?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I just need a big breakthrough. I need I need
a chance. I need an opportunity to get where I
need to get and not to the title fight. So
for me, it's like the opportunity couldn't pass up. A
lot of people would say sit out and wait for
a better fight, but for me, it's a massive cad
and a massive spot comine event. Couldn't pass it up.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So when you look at this fight, like what does
it do for Laurent Murphy Because you're undefeated, You're the
guy that has a long win streak in the UFC,
You're the guy that would seem to be getting very
close to a championship opportunity. What's the win in this
for you? Outside of being on the big card.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
The win is supposed to be the number one content
to fight before, like you said, it's supposed to fight Mothsa.
Dana come out and said that that's the number one
contented spot. So I've been shifted into that place now
in my eyes. So with a win over r and Pako,
I'm next in line.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh you want a title you should have a title
shot for sure.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Who's who's more deserving than me? Movsar was, but he
pulled out a fight. So I believe I'm noan now
if I.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Win, and if you win, that would obviously lead to
a championship opportunity, hopeful against Alexander Volkanowski. Like you when
you do you likee something of that? Like, man, I've
been doing this for so long. I could be on
the verge of fighting for a UFC championship and really
changing my life.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, for sure, but I can't look past this weekend.
It's a big weekend and obviously in my mind for
for a long time, it's been in the UFC A
four of fighting alex Volkanowski. He's been the guy at
the top for for a while and it so yeah,
I've gotta get through R and p CO first and
then hopefully that's next.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
In it, you said in it, he said he's been
the guy at the top in it? In it, in
it like I n N I T yeah, So like
is it?
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Like isn't he?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Same things in it in it we say in it
in Manchester we say in it as in yeah, right, so.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Volkan has been a man at the top of the
division for a long time.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
In it, yes, I mean, I'm trying to get you
to agree with me, Like, what do you think in it?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay? Okay? In it? That was I never Yeah, how
would you say that, Danny in your culture? I understand,
but what would you say?
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Is it? He?
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yeah, that's proper English? But but you're English's quick, like
we speak quick.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, he speak quick. That's good. So he is the
champion in the weight class. But you got to get
through Aaron. Aaron presents some unique problems because he's been
he's been boxing since he was a little boy. He's
been wrestling she was a little boy. What have you
done specifically to make sure that you can handle the wrestling,
because that's one thing. I mean, Josh Emmitt was a
(12:13):
good wrestler, right, you fought many good wrestlers. What have
you done specifically to make sure that Aaron Picle doesn't
try to use that wrestling and just ground you? Because
if I'm fighting Laurel Murphy, You're if it's a fifteen
minute fight, my intention is to have you on your
back for twelve of them. Yes, taking you down in
the first minute of every round, because then that gives
me an opportunity to slow you down. Your footwork and
(12:34):
everything is what really does frustrate people and make it
hard to fight. What have you done to make sure
that isn't the case comes Saturday night?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Well, I know that, I know that most people's game plans,
So I've been working on the life my lifetime really
in MMA. So I think I've had to back opponents. Well,
I've got me ready for that, Danny gay Gooler as well,
Josh emmittt same and Cookoff as well. So I feel
like I've come on Lee and bonds over the fights
and got the experience.
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Speaker 1 (14:28):
The video of us in Abu Dhabi a couple of
years ago has been circulating again. You know where we
were wrestling at the hotel, and then that was the
first time in Fight Island. You kind of picked me
up a little bit, but like a little bit off
the ground. Then the second time we were wrestling again
in Abu Dhabi and you pick me up a little higher.
(14:49):
It never felt disrespectful until today. You can't pick me
up and spin me around.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I'm a grown man shoving you love, bro, but you
picked me.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
I'm not a child leg spin He looks cute, Bro,
Why you do that?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Oh? This is Anderson Order. It's a very great company,
my best company. Yeah, it's beautiful. What is this?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Why?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Why always black? You could use a little color in
your wardrobe? What I don't know. You gotta put that
right there? You talk really yeah, well that's that's well.
Look at me, but look at me, Look at my face.
Look at your face, this beautiful black skin, caramel. Your
(15:35):
skin need not beautiful like mine.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
That needs to be beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
What you need to be world champion? You're so crazy
you can't say that. So I'm arguing with Dean Thomas
the other day and we're talking about what you becoming
the world champion would mean for the middleweight division. Part
of the argument was the inactivity. He goes, he does
fight enough, so it'll become a mess. That's the idea
(16:03):
a little bit. But you're here now in the US,
so clearly you can get here to fight. Are you
wanting to get active like you were when you started
your UFC career?
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Of course, of course. I say if you no injury,
nothing's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Diets. We want to go back and defend my best.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You want to fight again in October?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, that's fast, that's good fast money.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What's your expectation for the fight this weekend?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Because I mean Dracs du plus c has been underestimated
time and time again. Hums out. But he's the only
one that said I want hums out next. Everybody else
avoids the hams at Chamaya problem, not DDP.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Yeah, that's respect, big respect, But I never undersmith my opponent.
So I'm just work hard for that fight. So gonna
go and beat that guy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Do you do you look at his skill set and
think that he's like what do you think of his
skill set? It's different.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
All the fighters is different, but.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This guy's skills are different because he must be insanely
strong or something right, because it seems like he's doing
stuff wrong, but it always works out Edisonia like it
looked like Edisonia almost knocked him down. He ends up
with a takedown, right, he overthrows a punch, throws Easy
to the ground, Like, what do you make of his
his fighting.
Speaker 9 (17:20):
Style between Easy and me and big difference, Bro, I'm
not easy, you know he's taking down easier for this
guy then never wrestle, you know. So I'm better rac
that I am a bet to strike, so there's no
way he's gonna do anything, not shriking, not restling, So
I don't feel I'm better fight than anyone.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So back to you being able to fight in the country.
When you're at home, right and you're watching everybody with
these opinions, what are you thinking? Because you never said anything.
You never explained why you weren't fighting more frequently, Like,
what are you thinking? And I remember watching the video
with chall hams, I can't get here and then he
pants to your manager and it was like you were
(18:03):
at the p I like, what were you thinking? Watching
everybody with an opinion but not necessarily knowing what's going on.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Yeah, but I don't care about these things that they
put me in that position, so it's not my fault.
So I was making more money than anyone does.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Don't care about you were making money when you weren't fighting.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
You said, yeah, when I was fights once, I make
more and anyone does, so it's finally gonna fight, So
I'm gonna make more money.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Did you know after the Robert Whitaker fight that title
fight was next?
Speaker 9 (18:39):
You should be They said, like three years ago, I'm
gonna fight for the title, so if it makes a
long time.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What was the first time you heard that you would
give a championship fight?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
After I give a bounce, after.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Gilber Burnsley told you're gonna fight for the bell. Yeah,
so what happened?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Did you ask?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I never asked.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
I said, just give me the fight for the money.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
You said that the other day you said you want
the money, the belt doesn't mean as much to you.
ChIL and I were having a tough time kind of
getting through that because everybody talks about the belt. Everybody
wants the belt. But to hear you say the belt
doesn't mean as much, Like why and when did you
develop that mindset where it wasn't about the belt, it's
(19:23):
about creating a future for your family.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Yeah, haw's a question for you, bro, You want a
ten million dollars or just the belt.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But the belt leads to ten million dollars?
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Hums out If I say to you like, you has
a choice here ten million on just the belt.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, I'm not taking the belt over the money, but
the belt leads to the money. To get to the money, right,
you have to if.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
He works hard, belt is coming, Bro, I need to
beat the guy. Just after that, I don't need to
think about the belt, and it makes some pressure on
my head, you know. So, Yeah, I don't need that belt.
So if I get taken and may even bring that
back to my country and someone.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
What would that feel like to bring that bill back
to you to rush for me?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
It's like, not that crazy thing. I'm not that crazy
big fun.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
But it's gonna be huge though it would be massive
white people.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Yeah, of course, the first guy who has become a
UC champion from Chi, so they there is big for them.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And I always speak, but I like to fight
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