May 16, 2025 • 11 mins
In the latest episode of DCTV, Daniel Cormier RESPONDS to Jon Jones calling him out, with UFC legend Jones saying he'd beat DC WORSE at heavyweight than he did at light heavyweight. Cormier breaks down Jon's public callout and GOES IN ON why he should be more focused on defending his UFC heavyweight championship against Tom Aspinall. DC also discusses people calling Islam Makhachev "afraid" of Ilia Topuria, Ilia's fight vs. Charles Oliveira, and so much more! #Volume #Herd
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What's up, guys A, I'm glad to be bad in California.
It's late at night, but as always were working in.
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So I've been on this grind like I was in
New York. We did a two day media towards Ill
(02:17):
and I. We talked all things fighting, But the thing
that keeps coming up.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It came up on the SPN.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It came up last week was John was talking about
how he would have beaten me worse at heavyweight. I
don't have his exact quote as to what he said
about the fight being more competitive or something. Back in
the day when I was still actively fighting. He was
talking about I'm not looking to give anyone advantages. But
it's I'm forty six years old now it's easier to
(02:47):
start talking about, well I would have did this, this
and the other one. There's nothing that could be done
about it. I'm not fighting anymore. I'm not a fighter,
and hell, you won two fights. I don't know what
the point to prove is by talking about what goes
on between you and I.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
We have we have, we have seen this story. We've
had good fights. It was a great rivalry. I enjoyed it.
It made me a boatload of money. It was good.
But that was seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Eight years ago was the last time we fought. Eight
years ago. You guys all know our history, right. I
ain't gotta walk that back for you, how I feel
about what he did, how he feels about what I did.
I don't have to walk all that back for you, right.
I don't know if John didn't got asked a question.
I don't know if he just randomly brought it up.
(03:40):
I thought that lately we had been able to operate
around each other better than we had without going into
our instances and fighting and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
But I've got all. I've got a thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Like I saw the other day, Uh Jones Uh was
talking about, well, how can people say that I'm ducking
when I'm out here living my absolute best life. I
don't know that that is like the same thing. You
(04:11):
can live a great life and not be fighting somebody whatever.
But in talking about what you would have done to
me seven years ago, five years ago when I retired,
how about this, I've got a novel idea for you.
I'm retired, I'm done, I'm forty six, I'm washed up.
(04:34):
I'm a broadcaster, I'm a commentator, I am a talking head.
How about this novel idea? Fight the dude that's actually
wanting to fight. I don't want to fight John Jones.
I have no desire to fight anyone. There could be
a twenty five pounder called me out to fight, and
I'd be like, Eh, I.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't really feel like doing that anymore. Those days are
behind me.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But how about fight the dude that's actually waiting to
fight you, Tom asmnall right, right, It's not about what
may have happened back then. We want to know, as
the consumer, what's gonna happen today. What's gonna happen today?
(05:16):
If John Jones fights Tom Asmnaul. What I just said
in the first two minutes of his video is all
I'm gonna talk about myself. I am telling you right now.
I have no desire to fight this man. Am I
afraid of this man?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Absolutely not. But I ain't gonna I'm not here to
fight no more. I'm a broadcaster. But there's a guy
that's waiting.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
There's a guy that's up to his neck in frustrations
because he's been waiting for so long. And now you're
out in Thailand doing a reality show that's gonna take
another month. We don't know when the fight's happening. Dana
is getting bombarded with questions the other day on his life.
When are we getting that, When are we get in
that he's still trying to find ways to tell people
(05:59):
calm down, it's come. We want to know when's the
fight with the guy that actually wants to fight you.
Doesn't need to be a hypothetical. You guys can actually
answer the question as to who's better between you and Tom.
I was the heavyweight champion in two thousand and eighteen nineteen.
(06:20):
You're the heavyweight champ today, and there's another heavyweight champ
that wants to fight. Do that and for everybody going,
he's ducking. I didn't think that his video saying I'm
living my best life equates to him not ducking. But
I will tell you this, don't be so rual quick
to judge and think that Tom Aspernall is just gonna
beat John Jones. Don't think that oh DC wants to
(06:42):
see Tom Asketball fight Jones because Jones is gonna lose.
I don't believe that. I don't believe that John Aspernall's
is gonna beat John Jones. I fought John Jones. I
know how good that man is. I know how tough
that man is. I know how hard it is to
beat that man, or at least attempt to beat that man.
He's going through the best this sport has ever had
(07:04):
to offer. I just don't know that he's going through
anyone like Aspinall because I was so big and young
when I was fighting Jones. I was thirty six and
thirty eight years old. He was twenty eight the first time,
he was thirty. This second time rose reverse. Now Aspinall
is the young guy, he's the older guy, and that
might be his only hesitancy, if I had to guess,
(07:27):
I don't think for a second John Jones is afraid
of Tom Aspinall. The one thing John Jones has avoided
that none of us, none of us, none of the
other of us have, is that visual of him getting
finished could be John Jones. Even the great Islami Katschev
got knocked out before there's a visual of him getting
(07:48):
knocked out. Jones has been able to avoid that for
a very very long time, over the course of three
generations of fighters. But there just might be a guy
right now that seems to worry him a little bit
more than most. But is he scared, Absolutely not, absolutely
not a scared. Is he worried about tom Aswoll No, absolutely,
(08:10):
I do believe that he recognizes that at his age,
with the life that he's lived, all the hard fights,
there could be potential for this guy to truly be
a problem. Maybe that's the hesitancy, but fear nobody fears.
So when I start seeing people saying Islam ran from Ilia,
that's not true, because nobody's afraid in this thing. Once
(08:33):
you commit yourself to being a mixed martial artist, once
you decide you want to be a world champion, and
you work towards that, if you are lucky enough to
accomplish that, If you are lucky enough to accomplish that
and not many people are, you're not afraid of anyone.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Sometimes the goals.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
May be bigger than what everybody else can see. And
I believe that's what's happening with Islam. I really did
believe that he was keeping his belt after what I
heard him say, after what I heard Dana say. But
obviously they change that. And Ilia versus Charles down for
the belt. That's the right fight, that's the right fight.
The only guy that could have a claim to that
(09:14):
is armand Serukian. Outside of that, these are the two
guys that should be fighting for that time. Uh Ilia
versus Dubronx and it's gonna be explosive, but fear No,
Charles isn't scared, Islam isn't scared, Ialy is not scared.
Nobody's scared in this fight game. So as consumers, as fans,
(09:36):
as people that love this thing, we gotta be a
little bit more cautious with some of the things we
say the fighters. And people wonder why fighters go crazy
on them right now, it's because it's stuff like that. So, no,
John Jones isn't scared of Tom Aspital, that's absurd. Is
he concerned that this one may be a lot tougher
(09:57):
than most?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I think he recognized that this challenge might be.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
A little bigger.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But for the record, hey, like I said, I'm done
fight him. I don't want to fight I don't want
to fight fight him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
We had our experiences.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Fight that dude. Islam versus Jack is gonna be sick.
Illia versus Charles is gonna be sick. Dustin versus Max
is gonna be sick. Like we have so many great
fights on the doctor right now. For the UFC, that
is just an exciting time to be a mixed martial
arts fans. So instead of like us, you know, bemoaning
(10:35):
not getting Ilia versus Islam. How about we celebrate getting
Islam versus Jack, and we celebrate Ilia versus Charles and
all these other great.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Fights that we have. It's a.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a it's an amazing time to be a UFC fan. Hey, guys,
thank you guys again for tapping in everything I do.
I'm gonna be giving you guys behind the scenes everything
as we get ready for all these big fights coming up.
And hey, in Newark when I go, I'm gonna be
a total wireless for a meet and greet with the fans.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That should be fun.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So make sure you stay on the lookout for all
the details when it comes to that. Until next time, guys,
like subscribe and tell your first dce's got a YouTube
channel and I'm doing stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
But hey, go fight him about that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Just fight the guy that wants to fight you.
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, guys, is the greatest time of the year,
the NBA Playoffs. Look, I don't care if you watch
basketball all season or not. If you know, you know
that when the playoffs starts, everything ramps up. So once
again I'm parting up with the DraftKings Sports Book to
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my promo code DCTV. Bet only five dollars or more
(00:27):
and get two hundred dollars bonus bets instantly whenever you
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on betting the games. You can do player props and
so much more at the DraftKings Sports Book.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
And listen to this.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You can make bets all the way through the NBA Finals.
So guys, get invested with your team and also get
a little bit you know, hooked up at the DraftKings
Sports Book because you know that's what we do. We
take care of our customers, especially new customers. When you
sign up using that promo cod DCTV, because all you
(01:04):
bet is five dollars and we'll give you two undred
dollars in bonus bets instantly. So once again, sign up
using that promo code, get those bonus bets and tune
into the NBA playoffs and do it with the DraftKings
sportsbook where the crown is Yours.
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(01:42):
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Wins four.
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Speaker 2 (01:56):
What's up, guys A, I'm glad to be bad in California.
It's late at night, but as always were working in.
Today's episode is brought to you by Total Wireless, the
official wireless provider of UFC. They're in your corner with
a limited five G data that won't slow you down.
So I've been on this grind like I was in
New York. We did a two day media towards Ill
(02:17):
and I. We talked all things fighting, But the thing
that keeps coming up.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It came up on the SPN.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It came up last week was John was talking about
how he would have beaten me worse at heavyweight. I
don't have his exact quote as to what he said
about the fight being more competitive or something. Back in
the day when I was still actively fighting. He was
talking about I'm not looking to give anyone advantages. But
it's I'm forty six years old now it's easier to
(02:47):
start talking about, well I would have did this, this
and the other one. There's nothing that could be done
about it. I'm not fighting anymore. I'm not a fighter,
and hell, you won two fights. I don't know what
the point to prove is by talking about what goes
on between you and I.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
We have we have, we have seen this story. We've
had good fights. It was a great rivalry. I enjoyed it.
It made me a boatload of money. It was good.
But that was seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Eight years ago was the last time we fought. Eight
years ago. You guys all know our history, right. I
ain't gotta walk that back for you, how I feel
about what he did, how he feels about what I did.
I don't have to walk all that back for you, right.
I don't know if John didn't got asked a question.
I don't know if he just randomly brought it up.
(03:40):
I thought that lately we had been able to operate
around each other better than we had without going into
our instances and fighting and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
But I've got all. I've got a thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Like I saw the other day, Uh Jones Uh was
talking about, well, how can people say that I'm ducking
when I'm out here living my absolute best life. I
don't know that that is like the same thing. You
(04:11):
can live a great life and not be fighting somebody whatever.
But in talking about what you would have done to
me seven years ago, five years ago when I retired,
how about this, I've got a novel idea for you.
I'm retired, I'm done, I'm forty six, I'm washed up.
(04:34):
I'm a broadcaster, I'm a commentator, I am a talking head.
How about this novel idea? Fight the dude that's actually
wanting to fight. I don't want to fight John Jones.
I have no desire to fight anyone. There could be
a twenty five pounder called me out to fight, and
I'd be like, Eh, I.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't really feel like doing that anymore. Those days are
behind me.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But how about fight the dude that's actually waiting to
fight you, Tom asmnall right, right, It's not about what
may have happened back then. We want to know, as
the consumer, what's gonna happen today. What's gonna happen today?
(05:16):
If John Jones fights Tom Asmnaul. What I just said
in the first two minutes of his video is all
I'm gonna talk about myself. I am telling you right now.
I have no desire to fight this man. Am I
afraid of this man?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Absolutely not. But I ain't gonna I'm not here to
fight no more. I'm a broadcaster. But there's a guy
that's waiting.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
There's a guy that's up to his neck in frustrations
because he's been waiting for so long. And now you're
out in Thailand doing a reality show that's gonna take
another month. We don't know when the fight's happening. Dana
is getting bombarded with questions the other day on his life.
When are we getting that, When are we get in
that he's still trying to find ways to tell people
(05:59):
calm down, it's come. We want to know when's the
fight with the guy that actually wants to fight you.
Doesn't need to be a hypothetical. You guys can actually
answer the question as to who's better between you and Tom.
I was the heavyweight champion in two thousand and eighteen nineteen.
(06:20):
You're the heavyweight champ today, and there's another heavyweight champ
that wants to fight. Do that and for everybody going,
he's ducking. I didn't think that his video saying I'm
living my best life equates to him not ducking. But
I will tell you this, don't be so rual quick
to judge and think that Tom Aspernall is just gonna
beat John Jones. Don't think that oh DC wants to
(06:42):
see Tom Asketball fight Jones because Jones is gonna lose.
I don't believe that. I don't believe that John Aspernall's
is gonna beat John Jones. I fought John Jones. I
know how good that man is. I know how tough
that man is. I know how hard it is to
beat that man, or at least attempt to beat that man.
He's going through the best this sport has ever had
(07:04):
to offer. I just don't know that he's going through
anyone like Aspinall because I was so big and young
when I was fighting Jones. I was thirty six and
thirty eight years old. He was twenty eight the first time,
he was thirty. This second time rose reverse. Now Aspinall
is the young guy, he's the older guy, and that
might be his only hesitancy, if I had to guess,
(07:27):
I don't think for a second John Jones is afraid
of Tom Aspinall. The one thing John Jones has avoided
that none of us, none of us, none of the
other of us have, is that visual of him getting
finished could be John Jones. Even the great Islami Katschev
got knocked out before there's a visual of him getting
(07:48):
knocked out. Jones has been able to avoid that for
a very very long time, over the course of three
generations of fighters. But there just might be a guy
right now that seems to worry him a little bit
more than most. But is he scared, Absolutely not, absolutely
not a scared. Is he worried about tom Aswoll No, absolutely,
(08:10):
I do believe that he recognizes that at his age,
with the life that he's lived, all the hard fights,
there could be potential for this guy to truly be
a problem. Maybe that's the hesitancy, but fear nobody fears.
So when I start seeing people saying Islam ran from Ilia,
that's not true, because nobody's afraid in this thing. Once
(08:33):
you commit yourself to being a mixed martial artist, once
you decide you want to be a world champion, and
you work towards that, if you are lucky enough to
accomplish that, If you are lucky enough to accomplish that
and not many people are, you're not afraid of anyone.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Sometimes the goals.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
May be bigger than what everybody else can see. And
I believe that's what's happening with Islam. I really did
believe that he was keeping his belt after what I
heard him say, after what I heard Dana say. But
obviously they change that. And Ilia versus Charles down for
the belt. That's the right fight, that's the right fight.
The only guy that could have a claim to that
(09:14):
is armand Serukian. Outside of that, these are the two
guys that should be fighting for that time. Uh Ilia
versus Dubronx and it's gonna be explosive, but fear No,
Charles isn't scared, Islam isn't scared, Ialy is not scared.
Nobody's scared in this fight game. So as consumers, as fans,
(09:36):
as people that love this thing, we gotta be a
little bit more cautious with some of the things we
say the fighters. And people wonder why fighters go crazy
on them right now, it's because it's stuff like that. So, no,
John Jones isn't scared of Tom Aspital, that's absurd. Is
he concerned that this one may be a lot tougher
(09:57):
than most?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I think he recognized that this challenge might be.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
A little bigger.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But for the record, hey, like I said, I'm done
fight him. I don't want to fight I don't want
to fight fight him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
We had our experiences.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Fight that dude. Islam versus Jack is gonna be sick.
Illia versus Charles is gonna be sick. Dustin versus Max
is gonna be sick. Like we have so many great
fights on the doctor right now. For the UFC, that
is just an exciting time to be a mixed martial
arts fans. So instead of like us, you know, bemoaning
(10:35):
not getting Ilia versus Islam. How about we celebrate getting
Islam versus Jack, and we celebrate Ilia versus Charles and
all these other great.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Fights that we have. It's a.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a it's an amazing time to be a UFC fan. Hey, guys,
thank you guys again for tapping in everything I do.
I'm gonna be giving you guys behind the scenes everything
as we get ready for all these big fights coming up.
And hey, in Newark when I go, I'm gonna be
a total wireless for a meet and greet with the fans.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That should be fun.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So make sure you stay on the lookout for all
the details when it comes to that. Until next time, guys,
like subscribe and tell your first dce's got a YouTube
channel and I'm doing stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
But hey, go fight him about that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Just fight the guy that wants to fight you.
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