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let me tell you something. I got friends in media.
I got friends in media. I got friends in commentary.
Two of them being my better friends and co workers
are Michael Bisbing and Paul Felder. Michael Bisbing and Paul
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Felder together now Do to Believe You Me podcast on
Mike's YouTube channel, which is phenomenal. By the way, Mike
does a tremendous job. We disagree on a lot of
things at times. Today I'm here to discuss something that
we disagree on. I have a hard time. I have
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a hard time when we as professional fighters, and I
did it with John Jones. I never I kind of
did it. But I never said he was scared. I
said that if he didn't fight tom aspinall he quit.
Didn't say he was scared because I don't believe he
was scared. I have a difficult time when fighters or
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ex fighters say that someone is ducking or afraid of
another fighter. I believe that they're There are reasons why
people don't do stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Do we always have to agree with them?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, But I don't know if I can agree with
the fear being a reason. So the other day, Mike
and Paul are discussing Ilia and the armand Serukian situation.
Armand says he's scared, but that's what he's supposed to do.
Armand's the guy that gets to fight him if they
do fight. He's got that chicken run in and all
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that said, he's ducking. I get it, that's all part
of the game. But when Mike and paula discussing it,
and I love how forward they are with it. They're
not hiding it. In other words, they're just saying what
they feel. But this is what they said. My ghost
is Ilia pulling a John Jones. Because Armand Sruki is
a real threat to anybody's tremendous. I know a lot
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of people discredit him because he pulled out on the
last fight at the last minute, and rightfully so. However,
and it's a big one. He's really really good, and
it's simple as that. He's got great wrestling, cardio strength.
He's young, he's in his prime. He's an absolute monster.
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Illiot the poor you said if the UFC made him
fight Armine, that would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I didn't get the rest of the quote.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is Bisbee said that obviously he's a threat to anyone.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So then Paul gets in there, a guy from the
weight class that understands, right, you gotta fight whoever's put
in front of you. I understand that. But Paul goes
the guys in the One Contender and to say that
you would rather relinquish the belt than fight him. Come on, man,
we're getting a little carried away. We've talked about this before,
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where the guys in this generation of fighters, when they
get to the top position, they're willing to jump around
weight classes and try to deny fighting guys. It's like,
that's not how it fucking works. If the guys in
the One Contender, the UFC says, this is the guy.
You're the champ, you're holding that belt, that's who you fight.
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If you're the best and he's not on your level
and all this kind of stuff, then prove it. Just
go out there and prove it. I hate that, and
I'm not saying that I think he doesn't think he
can beat him, but I hate it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I was like, come on, man, here we go. Here
we go again.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Now you've got a champion who's just looking for the
biggest thing. The UFC is not going to try to
put you in a position that's not going.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
To be a big thing. So Paul's frustrated that Ily
is not wanting to fight.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Arman Serukian, and I get the frustration from that side,
but we also need to understand, or at least try
to understand, what's the reasoning. So I've been on the
opposite side of what to Pouria is perceiving is going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
After seeing what happened with.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Him in Islam in Los Angeles, Oh, something up in
the last minute. It gives you reservations. But Armansruken has
made the walk every other time. They are right to
a degree, they're right to a degree fight the guy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But the only.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Reason to poury is even thinking of not fighting him
is because he has other options. That's why Armand made
a little bit of a mistake in missing that championship opportunity.
So all the blame can't be cast on it to
pour your side because he has reason.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I love Armand. I think he's the man.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I think he is the just number one contender, and
I think he should have the opportunity to fight for
the belt. He has earned that. He has earned that
by winning. He has earned that more than Patty has
at this point. He has earned that more than Justin
has at this point. And I'm speaking of a guy
Justin Gatsa who's one of my best friends. He's earned
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that though. He's earned the opportunity. But you have to
look at the other side. When I was fighting with Jones,
I was unreliable. At times, I pulled out of a
fight him and I had the issues where he had
to pull out of fights. It's not it's not easy
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to go back down that path, but what we had
was the need for each other. We needed each other
because we knew the biggest fights were together, so we
just kept going on that path.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
The Pooria has options. I don't know if he feels like.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's that much of a difference in what he sells
between Patty, Ilia or Justin. So when he's looking at
these options, he's going, well, Patty has the following, So
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Patty was the guy inside the octagon.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So I get it. I get it. But I also
get that reservation to go back down that path, seeing
even though it wasn't against you, what happened in Los
Angeles twenty four hours noticed someone had to fight Islam.
Markachev the only person I just believe that Ilia would,
without a doubt, fight because then it would be much
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to the table, he'll always go back and revisit that
because that's the biggest fight that he could get in.
A fight between him and Islam is much bigger than
the fight between him and any of those other guys.
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Speaker 1 (09:46):
So, while the guys are speaking fact in terms of
fighting them one contender, the frustration, I believe is a
bit misguided because you're not necessarily thinking about the champion
inside where the champion at times should go. Hey, there's
some reservations, But I also know that in the UFC,
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when something is wanted, and if it's wanted very bad,
they will make it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It will happen. Illiot to pour you Armand's Rukian. And also.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
The visual of Patty in the octagon is something you
cannot erase. You can't erase it. It's a moment. So I
would have loved the UFC to pan to Armand and
pan to justin after Patty was in there, because then
you keep them in front of mine. Also, but because
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it ended with Illy and Patty arguing an octagon and
then we go to something else, that's the lasting memory
of the one to fifty five pound division. It's hard
to go backwards and erase something. So guys, Michael Paul,
I understand the frustration. But Mike, you are on the
championship side. You know, when you were getting ready to
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fight Dan Henderson, you wanted some get back on him,
so you fought him. But if there was a bigger
fight for you, George Saint Pierre for that matter, you
took it. Even though yo all Romero at the time
Mike was probably the more justified number one contender.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
The bigger fight was JSP and you took it. So
I get it, get.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
The frustration, but think about the champions side too, because
Eliot's job to not only defend the belt, but also
make sure that when he makes wait and he does
all that, he gets to defend the belt. I'm not
saying armand t Rukian is this guy that constantly fucks
up and that doesn't get to the scale or get
to the fight that happened one time. He should not
be judged solely on that one time, especially after making
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Wight and getting ready to fight as a backup fighter
in the last fight. I'm just trying to give a
little grace to the other side in regards to why
that may be happening. At the end of the day,
I agree with y'all it should be Armand versus Illy,
and I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Think there's any question about that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
But I think the problem with it is that lasting
memory of him and Patty Pimlet inside the octagon.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
After the belt, it's gonna be our too, race man.
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Boys frustrated, Sure, Mike, don't act like you ain't sat
in this position before. Michael, you know exactly why he's
doing that, because you did it yourself when you had
a chance to fight jsp instead of Yo Romero.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So it is what it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Is, guys, really quick before we go, hey, oh yeah,
Dan Hooker actually said something too. He goes, all those
big name guys have a good excuse not to fight
armand it's always the fight I wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Not because he's a prick and I hate him.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Dan Hooker is awesome, by the way, but because I
genuinely think he's the hardest fight and all those big
name guys don't want to fight him because I think
he's the best they think, and I think he's the
best at winning fights, not necessarily the most dangerous fighter.
I think he's the best at winning fights. So a
lot of these guys haven't justifiable reason to avoid fighting.
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Dan Hooker is again almost repeating what they're saying. But
he's an active competitor in their division. And Dan saying,
I want it because it's more the fight where the
danger lies in.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You go, boys, that's a guy that thinks just like you.
But Dan Hooker is an old school fighter. I don't
know that we have as many of those anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So is what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But Michael Bisbeck, don't act like you to fight George
sat Pierre because you knew he's about to get the
pocketings line.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Boy, you know what you did?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
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