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July 24, 2025 • 12 mins

Daniel Cormier IS BACK to react to the biggest headlines in UFC and MMA, and this week Ilia Topuria, Justin Gaethje, Arman Tsarukyan, and the lightweight division have taken over! Topuria told the Nelk Boys in his interview with them this week that he thinks the UFC will push for Gaetjhe to fight Ilia. DC gives take on the soundbite, and why he believes JG is still not a guarantee with Tsarukyan and Paddy Pimblett also going for that title shot. Plus, hear Cormier break down the lightweight division, and what he thinks the championship fight vs. Topuria will ultimately be. And don't miss DC give his thoughts on Justin's perfect end to his career: a win vs. Ilia and defending the belt at the White House vs. Max Holloway for the BMF championship. #Volume

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not slow you down. So what seeming like it's about
to slow down is the lightweight division. I don't know
that we've ever had a time in fighting where it
seems like more people in the same weight class are

(02:16):
unwilling to do what most think is next, or are
willing to literally take a hard stance and go I'm
not doing it. That happened, and it worked out with
Islama Katchev when he didn't really want to fight Iliya
and if he went to one seventy he would vacate
the belt if Bla lost, Balla loss. It all worked out.

(02:40):
But how does it all work out at one fifty five.
Now where we have this this foursome of people who
are all vying for the same thing, who all have
a claim to want that same thing, but only one
guy has it, and that's Illiot the poor he's the champ.
But Justin Gatsche feels he has a claim. Armand Serukian

(03:01):
feels he has a claim, and rightfully so, Patty Pimblet
now feels he has a claim. They all feel like
they have a claim to be the number one contender
at one hundred and fifty five pounds. But what happens
when we get to a standstill, where like Armand said
to me, that was a Joe Rogan mistake, Patty Pemblet
should have never been in the octagon. He's not the

(03:21):
number one contender. That's seems okay for Arma to say,
because Armand was the guy that was scheduled to fight
for the Belton Los Angeles. But what about the fact
that after that fight didn't happen, the UFC said Armand's
not next, he will need to fight. That seems to
have eliminated him. But when you look at the people
that know this sport, or the fans and the perspective

(03:44):
or the perception is he's the number contender. He should
be fighting for the title next, not Paddy, a guy
who's ranked number nine in the UFC's rankings and just
got his win inside the top five. Justin Gaetchee, who's
three in one of his last four fights. He says,
I have a claim, but he's getting presented with the

(04:04):
fight Patty Pemblet. So Gatege's like, no, I'm not doing
it at least to this right. Gategie feels he has
a claim armand was number contender. Patty just went knocked
on with the guy. So he's like, hey, I got
the face off against the champ, so maybe I'm number
one contender. Let's see what happens. But what do you
do Whenever guys are not only telling you they don't

(04:27):
want to do something, but they seem willing to really
either sit it out or be done to Justin Gatege's point,
just what he said. He goes, I'm absolutely not fighting Patty,
and if that's the route that they want me to take,
and I don't believe that they need me anymore. I
know that sounds petty or whatever, but number three, I'm
three and one in my last four, the champion Islam

(04:50):
was calling to fight me when he vacated. They bring
in a new guy and give They bring a new
guy in and give a guy who's two and two
in the fight. If their algorithm and their match tells
them to just use me until I get beat, then
I'm going to have to really reevaluate what I'm doing.
So it sounds to me like Justin Gaichee, as he

(05:13):
said before, hey, title fight or retirement, it sounds like
he's more than willing now to stand by that and
be done. And that would suck, right, because MMA is
better when Justin Gaige's fighting. We just have to watch
Justin Pourier retire last weekend and that absolutely sucked. So
what's gonna happen this time? Right? We have to walk
away from Justin Gaigee too. That era of fighters that

(05:36):
we all fell in love with so much are starting
to take the curtain call and go, hey, my time
is done, this game is done with me, or I'm
done with this game. Justin seems very very stern in
the idea that if he has to fight Patty Pimlin
and that's the only option, he's not gonna do it,
and that sucks because I don't know. I don't don't

(06:00):
know that it's going to make the UFC say we
have to give Justin Gateshea a title fight. I don't
know that they're gonna do that, especially when you go
through all the things that I'm telling you right now
that Armand has a case, Patty has a case, Justin

(06:20):
has a case, Ilios saying he ain't fighting Armand. So
now you got the champs saying forget Armand he's not
reliable because of what happened in Los Angeles in the
fight when he was supposed to fight Islama Katchev. Then
you have Patty who got to go into the octagon
and stare off with the champion. You have Justin saying

(06:42):
I'm not fighting Patty when in reality, Patty Pibler, Justin
Gaichee seems like the logical next step for Patty. For
Patty because after you get to a Michael Chandler, right,
you want to go into that next level of guy
as you get closer to the title fight. Does Patty
Pimlet deserve a title fight right now? No, he doesn't,

(07:05):
But with one more victory, especially when over a guy
like Justin Gaichie. He would absolutely deserve a title fight,
but I think he's one fight away. But he also
needs that name. He needs a Justin Gaichie. He needs
a Charles Olavera. He needs one more guy behind Michael
Chandler to truly make the case for him earning a

(07:26):
championship opportunity. So to me, that leaves Justin and Armah
Armand is number one contender supposed to fight Islam. After
that fight didn't happen, in the UFC said he was
gonna have to fight somebody else. He didn't. He has
not fought. He weighed in as the backup fighter when
Olivera fought against Illiot to Pouria. But Ilia is saying, Arman,

(07:51):
he's not fighting him. He believes the UFC will push
for Justin. I I don't necessarily know where he's getting
that from. Maybe he he knows that Justin's valuable and
the company doesn't want to lose him, and they might
if he doesn't get that title fight. But for Gai Chee,
he would love it. Ilia believes though, that that's the

(08:14):
guy he may end up fighting. But Justin said in
the Perfect World, in the best chapter of my book,
if it happens. I believe this is a simulation, but
I would want to beat to for you this year,
defended against Holloway and the White House, then retire with
the BMF title and the Championship belt. There's no better
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Speaker 1 (09:57):
Justin wants to obviously everybody has big goals, right like
everybody has the biggest of goals, and that would be
a fairy tale for Justin Gaichee. For Justin Gaichie to
extend himselves to the next summer would be amazing because
we set an American guy who's as red, white and
blue as anyone out to the White House to defend

(10:18):
the championship. I get it, but I still don't know, guys,
and I need your help with this in the comments.
I still don't really know what do we do if
it doesn't happen? Though, what happens and who does Ely fight?
If Justin doesn't get the title fight, which is what
he expects, I believe, all things considered, merit warranted. I

(10:45):
think it probably should be armand Serukion. I mean, he
was number one contender. Luis, you could chime in the
chat if you want. You're my first comment. I think
armand Serukion probably should be the guy that gets the
title fight. I just don't know if the champion is
willing to fight him right now, and at times that

(11:07):
can become an issue, especially if what Ilios said is true,
where the UFC told him, hey, please don't try to
go up right now if you become the champion, because
you're doing us a favor by stabilizing at one fifty five.
So what if Ilia goes do me a favor. I
don't want to fight this guy right now. He's unreliable.
Let me see him fight again. It's more likely, and

(11:30):
Luis kind of agrees that because Ilia and Justin want
to fight each other Justin is a big name, and
he does have three and one in his last four.
It's potential. It's a mess at one fifty five right now,
it really is an absolute mess at one fifty five. Guys.
I'm in the Renal Wrestling camp right now, so my
voice is acting up. I'm sick. It's a whole Hey,

(11:53):
I'm in the grind. I'm in the grind. But I
promise you we'll get you, guys, another episode in three rounds. Tomorrow,
Dian and I will go back and forth on something.
Let's hope we can entertain you as you have been
entertained so far. Thank you, guys for tapping into what
d and I are doing in those comments. Somebody helped
me out. Match up one fifty five for me. Let's
figure this thing out. Until next time, guys, Peace,
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