Desperate Seahawks, Lou Williams "Magic City" Saga, Top 100 NFL Players

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Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong. I love weekends
where big trades happen in sports, and increasingly they're happening

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in the NFL. Used to be an NBA and baseball thing.
The NFL's got a lot of young general managers and
they liked trading players, and that that wasn't the NFL.
We grew up with Joy Taylor. But the NFL now
is a trading league. It's like the maybe even to
a greater level than baseball and basketball. This particular NFL
offseason has been like an NBA free agency period. It's

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incredible and it's fun. It's a lot of movers and shakers. Now,
usually I'll start my show with this today. Usually if
a really good team gets a great player, we celebrate it.
I'm from the Pacific Northwest. I felt it was kind
of desperate. It felt like Seattle was saying, all right,
we've we've done such a poor job building our offensive
and defensive lines. We've we've kind of whipped on so

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many first round picks. Let's just get a big headline
at a big star and maybe it can cover our ars. Listen,
I know he's expensive. I don't want to pay a
ton for a safety, but he is great. I wouldn't
give up two first rounds and a third and a
starter for a safety. But Seattle does this if they
believe he gets us to a super Bowl. Now, Honey,
Badger was really valuable to the Chiefs this year. I mean,

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he's a guy that really solved the back end of
their defense, and Jamal Adams plays a lot like him.
Seattle's gonna be very good this year. I'm not disputing that.
But Seattle only won one game last year all year
by more than one score. I'm gonna throw something up.
If you think Seattle's a super Bowl team, they had
eleven one position possession wins. That doesn't happen. That's just insane.

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That'll never happen again. And whereas San Francisco the Niners
outscored people by one hundred and sixty nine points, Baltimore
outscored people by two hundred and forty nine points. Seattle
outscored people all year by seven points. Folks, they got
holes on this roster, namely their offensive and defensive lines.

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And Jamal Adams is gonna it's a big swing. It's
a big swing, and it's also a big salary cap
eating swing. And listen, I kind of feel like Seattle's
trying to make up ground for a lot of bad
picks in the first round and allowing their offensive and
defensive lines to a road got in division, just stand

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their division. San Francisco is so much better than Seattle
on the O line and defense line. It's not even close.
It's not even close. And Seattle knows it. We are
at such a deficit O line and D line. We
got to make it up now this morning. Would I
rather be the Seahawks than the Jets? Of course I would.
I've got Russell Wilson, I got Pete Carroll and Jamal Adams,

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Bobby Wagner, and Russell Wilson are playmakers in their prime.
So yes, I'd rather be the Seahawks than the Jets
this morning. But that's not the Seahawks standard being better
than the New York Jets. That's not their standard. Their
standard is Kansas City, Andy Reiden Mahomes. Their standards Baltimore
Lamar and John Harbaugh on that secondary. Their standard is

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the Saints. Their standard is the Niners. And all four
of those teams I think not only have better O
line and D line play and better overall rosters and
few were holes, but they also have better vision. I
had an NFL exact say to me after this past draft,
a really good one, what the hell are they doing

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up there? I mean, last year at this time they
went and got Jadavian Clowney headlines star Wow, where's that
a year later? Where's that one a year later? I
just don't see the vision with Seattle. You know what
I see? I see Russell Wilson, and Russell Wilson's unbelievable,

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and Russell Wilson makes bad draft picks and a bad
online and an average D line and a lack of
vision work. And I like Pete Carroll, but right now
I think he has too much power in the organization.
I think he's the one that makes these moves and
really gets this stuff done. Seattle has ned a meaningful
playoff win in five years. Yes, Yes they beat Carson

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Wentz less Philly last year. Yes they beat the Lions.
Yes they were outlay by Minnesota. Who's kicker missed the
chip shot? This is a lot of money and I
don't know the vision, and they got bigger issues and
safety isn't one of them. It's a big swing, a
huge swing, but it feels to me like it's trying

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to cover up other issues in the organization. Now, let's
take it from a Jets perspective. The Jets will not
be as good this year. Jamal Adams is a really
good football player. But the simplest thing I can say
about this is that Joe Douglas, the general manager of
the Jets, had a very good Saturday. I had an

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NFL exact say listen, man. The Steelers got Minka Fitzpatrick
for one first rounder, and we know the Steelers are
well run. Seattle spent two first rounders and a third
Anna starting safety. Joe Douglas had a very good Saturday
for the Jets. But Joe Douglas is in a really
bad spot. He's just tearing down from the studs the

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organization to rebuild it. He's got a suboptimal owner, he's
replacing a GM that was incompetent. He's got a head
coach that appears to be I don't know, not communicating
with his star players. The Jets are in a weird spot.
Joe Douglas is their life preserver, highly respected. Usually, here's

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the way it works. You do what Baltimore, Kansas City's doing.
You draft this young quarterback, You pay him nothing for
three or four years, and because of that, you can
give Lamar all sorts of free agent help, and Mahomes
all sorts of help, and all of a sudden you're like,
oh my god, young quarterback, I'm paying him nothing. He's
got nothing but stars around him. That's what the Jets
would like to do, because they're not paying Sam Normal anything. Instead,

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Joe Douglass has to come in and undo all of
it and let go to star players to get draft picks.
Because the owners aren't very good, the coach doesn't communicate
and the previous GM was a disaster. I told you
this after last the draft with a previous GM, I
had a GM call me and say, it's the worst
draft I've ever seen. He goes after the first pick.

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It made no sense. That was two drafts ago. When
the Jets didn't fire him before the draft. They let
him do the draft, which was awful. Then they fired
him a couple of weeks later. What so, Joe Douglas
had a great Saturday, I believe, But the standard for
the Jets now, they're not close to the Bill's roster.

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They're not as good as the Patriots, and I don't
think by about week seven or eight they're gonna be
as good as the Dolphins. With two of starting, it's
a fourth place team. The playbook in the NFL is simple,
draft your quarterback in the first round and when you're
not paying him, surrounding with a bunch of free agents.
That got Russell Wilson a super Bowl. It just got

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Patrick Mahomes a Super Bowl. This year, I'm picking against
Lamar Jackson a Super Bowl and instead Sam Darnold. They
got rid of a star because they just got to
tear this down to the studs. Start over and this
was the first process. I like Jamal Adams. He's really good,
and I do think he fits Seattle way better than
the Jets because Seattle's got leadership and the Jets don't.

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So for one guy with the Jets, it was a
great Saturday, Joe Douglas. He's terrific. He got a ton
for a safety and it gives them some some openings
now because Lavian Bell's probably gone in a year and CJ.
Moseley couple more years. You're not paying anybody, but it
is there now. The Jets are one of the seven
or eight teams in the NFL. You can just you

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can just take him and say, okay, let's don't worry
about them in the super Bowl and generating in the NFL.
There's only three or four of those. There's about eight,
and the Jets are one of them. All right, coming
up next. There are a lot of people saying the
Jets were clear cut winners. A lot of people are
saying that. But there's something very interesting about Jamal Adams.

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And not that he's the future of the NFL. That
would be that would be too grand. But he is
new and unique and we're seeing more players in all
sports like Jamal Adams, and you better be very careful
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to build the dream bedroom. Peter King and Colin Wright,
Colin Wrong a top and Next Hour. Now a lot
of people believe just because you just historically you don't
get two first round picks, a third round pick, and
a starting safety for a safety, regardless of how good
the safety is. Minca Fitzpatrick's terrific Steelers gave up one
first round pick, so Seattle probably overpaid. But I will

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say this about Jamal Adams. He when I was a
kid growing up, the best second baseman in baseball, it
was Joe Morgan of the Cincinnati Reds, and he looked
like a second baseman. And then the best shortstop was
Azzie Smith, and he was too small to play like
a corner position on the infield or didn't have the
arm or the size for an outfield. And Azzie Smith athletic,
that's a shortstop. Joe Morgan, that's a second baseman. And

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then you start seeing in baseball guys like a Rod
and you're like, oh, he could be a Hall of
Famer at short or at third and shortstops now we're
really good. And they had power. And I watched the
Dodgers this weekend. They had multiple guys that could play
multiple positions, and you get a Rod was the first guy.
I'm like, oh, he could be a Hall of Famer

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at two different positions. That's not the way baseball was
as a kid. But athletes are bigger and stronger, and
Lebron James has been this in basketball. Oh you mean
he can be a point guard and lead the NBA
and assists or he could just guard your four. Lebron's
a positionless basketball player. He's just good, actually great, and

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he's to put him anywhere on the floor you want.
He'll guard Derrick Rose, he'll guard your four, He'll guard anybody.
And here comes Jamal Adams. He's positionless, and you're seeing
this more and more. Derwin James of the Chargers is
a little like this. Last year, the Jets lined up
Jamal Adams at linebacker more than they lined him up

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at safety. They also line him up at edge rusher,
and at linebacker and at strong safety, and he made
plays in all of them. And Pete Carroll's history he
started as a dB coach. Pete Carroll's history is taking
really talented young defensive backs and making them stars. Like
Earl Thomas, Pete knows DBS. They got good corners now again,

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Pete knows DBS and he is looking at Jamal Adams
and said, I can put this dude all over the
field and make play and we don't have much of
a pass rush anyway. I just got better there that
I get that. I totally get Isaiah Simmons. Remember the
kid out of Clemson that got drafted by Arizona. He
is one of these positionless players. And it's not a

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knock on him. Isaiah Simmons is all over the field.
Will you get these athletes now? Guys used to look
like a corner and look like a safety. That's just
not the way it is anymore. You get these unique basketball, football,
baseball players where you're like, this guy can play first
or third or second, and I think for Jamal Adams,

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I think Pete Carroll looks at him and think, you
know what, I'm not going to get anybody at the
end of the first round the next two years. That
good that I can mold into my defense and create
situational pass rushes, which Seattle, by the way, last couple
of years has struggled with Joy Taylor with the news

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this is the herd line news. Well, the Knicks half
their guy. The team is reportedly finalizing a five year
deal with Tom Thibadeaux to be the franchise's next head coach.
He was considered to be the front runner for the
job during the next search. He'llmeaga's return to the NBA
after being let go by the Timberwolves in January of
twenty nineteen. His most successful coaching stop still remains the

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Chicago Bulls. He made the playoffs in each of his
five seasons there, and then went on to lead the
Timberwolves to their first playoff appearance in fourteen years in
two eighteen, but then he was dismissed as the coach
and team president in two nineteen, and now he is
with the New York Knicks, who were twenty one and
forty five this season, missing the playoffs for the seventh
straight year. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be around

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in five years. That's what I'm thinking. With the New
York Knicks, Yes, are they going to be around? I mean, god,
this is kind of an uninspiring hire. I mean when
his name was first thrown out there as as the
front runner of the Knicks, it it didn't really move me.
I mean, he is, he is a solid head coach,
but is he the coach that's going to turn around

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the franchise New York Knicks, who haven't made the playoffs
in seven straight seasons, who are a very young organization,
who are likely going to have another very very high
draft pick if they're going to plan to build their
franchise around David Fizdale. Couldn't get an interview with Kevin Durant,

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not even an interview. Players love David Fizdale. This is
one of these rare sports teams in America. Inde, you
get a new owner, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I would
agree with that, because you're You're absolutely right. David Fizdale
is beloved by players, young, innovative, good coach, magnetic, can't
get us, can't get can't get a meeting at Starbucks

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with Kevin Durant, right because players know what it is
there and you have the Nets, you have an organization
right down the street, so you can still live in
New York City, or taking everything that New York has
to offer and play for an organization that has good
ownership and has had six that's as of late now
what they've become over the past couple of months. So
that's a different conversation. But they're not. They're still not
the New York Knicks. It's just I'm I want to

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remain hopeful that one day this is going to turn
around and we're going to actually have relevant conversations about
the New York Knicks. Is in the competitive nature of
this outside of the Yankees find me the the optimistic
sports story professionally in New York. I mean, I guess
you can say the Giants because we haven't its fingers
on pure on pure optimism. Yeah, because we don't know, well,

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we haven't chan Judge is going to be and we
don't know what what he's going to become. Yeah, I mean,
it's it's it's a used to be that was everybody
wanted to play there. I'm not sure that's the case anymore.
This doesn't feel like the kind of movies you don't
have with no matter what sports dreen, you don't have
to be in a city in order to be a
superstar anymore. You don't have to be in a specific
place where you know, ten fifteen years ago, you needed

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to be in New York, you needed to be in
la you needed to be in Miami, you needed to
be in Dallas. If you wanted to get to the
next level with endorsements in your brand. You don't need
to do that anymore. So why put your career as
at risk to go to the New York Knicks. I mean, again,
he's a solid hire, but he is he the guy
that's going to turn this organization around. It's just not
going to change, and so ownership does. All right. So

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this is the story that everyone else was talking about
over the weekend, other than the big trade. Lou Williams
left the bubble for an excused absence last week, but
after an investigation into his visit to a strip club
while he was away, Williams will have to quarantine for
ten days, which begins on Saturday. That means he will
miss the first two seating games for the Clippers. I

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believe he will also not be paid for those games
as well. I think you don't get paid, so he's
going to lose a significant amount of money there. They
faced the Lakers on July thirtieth, that's in three days,
and the Pelicans on August first. He reportedly made a
stop at Magic City in Atlanta, which is get some wings.
It's a very popular strip club with good food. Yes. Now,

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now I don't go to strip clubs. Do they have
good food? Is that like a normal thing? Yes? Yeah,
generally strip clubs have a good food. Is that true? Yeah, okay,
I don't know. I mean, well, well I shouldn't speak
that generally. Yeah, in city is where strip clubs are
kind of a fabric of the community in a way

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of life day in Miami, Atlanta, good food, they have
good food. Yes, how do you know that? Is that? Like?
Am I just it's just another thing in America? Where
I mean, when you are in a city where strip
clubs are, like, it's common for people to go and
eat at strip clubs. They have good food. I drive
by strip clubs. I never see a produced truck outside.

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I mean, tell me they have good food. I go
by a grocery store. I know they have good food
because I see the produce. We'll think about it, like,
wouldn't you want to have good food at a strip
club so people have another reason to go there? Can
I get into this anyway? He this is one of
his favorite restaurants. They have wings. They're named after him.
The Luo lem and Pepper barbecue wing Lemon Peppers is

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my favorite io. I don't know if I would have
the barbecue. I have not been a Magic City, Okay.
I have been to an establishment in Atlanta, but not
Magic City. I did not eat there. I'm telling too
much Anyway, the league that he was only a Magic
City for dinner, and he tweeted asking even my teammates,
what's my favorite restaurant in Atlanta? Is ain't nobody partying?
Chill out? Hashtag mask on, hashtag in and outs. So

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he reportedly told the league that there were no entertainers there.
But did he test positive? I don't know if his
test is okay, But that's not the point that, like
the point of all of these excused absences is that
you have to test every single day. Obviously the NBA
will let you leave, you have to test every single
day that you're gone, to have consecutive negative tests, and
then when you come back, if you've had negative negative

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tests every day that you've been gone, you can do
the shorter amount of quarantine when you come back. So hypothetically,
had he not done this and done whatever the protocol
was that the NBA asked when he left, so strict
if if I go on the road and I test
on the road negative after I have wings at a
strip club, then I come back and test negative again,
how many days do I have to stay away from everybody?
Well maybe the NBA's protocol for you leaving is that.

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And obviously who actually follows this is one thing, But
when you're spotted at a strip club then they have
to take they have to handle it appropriately. I mean,
it's obviously people are probably going to restaurants when they're
When they're allowed to leave, the NBA probably asked them,
go do whatever you need to do with your family
or whatever the emergency is that you're leaving for. Stay home,
stay quarantine, test, stay out of the you know, the

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internet's crosshairs, and when you come back, you can test
again and do the four day quarantine, so maybe he
has still consecutively tested negative. But because this is out there,
he now has to do the ten day quarantine and
miss those games. So after the news of the Jamal
Adams schrade broke, Levian belts on to Twitter to give
his thoughts on the move. He wrote, people do all
the hood and hollerin to get you bought in just
to leave l like people weird Yo the Internet. These

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dude's doing whatever for attention, even when they tell you believe,
they don't believe themselves. Jamal saw Levian's comment and responded, noted,
see you week fourteen. It's a good answer, And to
that Levion said, noted what that you lied? Please trust
that it is noted. Then if I'm supposed to take
see you in week fourteen as a threat, I don't.
But it's still all love and like I told you

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on the phone, I want the best for you. If
this is the best for you, I want it for you. Bro.
It's very weird. So they spoke on the phone, but
he's still tweeting about it. I know that, I just
I don't. I'm not in a lot of people like
Twitter as a combative form a platform. I don't, but
I see people I know that I liked. They're always
combative and they're throwing bombs, and I always like, I

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want to get into that space, but like a lot
of guys want, they're just fired at each other. I mean,
I find Twitter to be fun for the most part.
I mean, you know, people get into it and stuff,
and that's that's really what it was made for. It's
made for discussion, and sometimes discussions are combative, and that's fine.
I just think that this is a little strange on
Jamal's part because he kind of recruited Levi on there.
So like I understand Levion feeling some type of way,

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like you brought me into all this chaos and now
you dipped, and I mean, I'm probably gonna dip too,
but I get it. I will say this about Lavyan
Bell Antonio Brown ended up being very problematic. Jamal Adams
gets traded. Lavian Bell has been a great jet. It's
not his fault. The offensive lines thinks Lavyan Bell has
been such every time Laviyan Bell has the chance to

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me in the crosshairs, he goes to Twitter and he's like,
I'm a jet. It's a business. Every single time he's
been in the trade conversation at every time say this
about Lavyan Bell. Every He's had so many opportunities to
crush this team, and he's always like, like it here,
it's a business, which to me is a pro athlete
is the way to do it. Like, Hey, it's a business.
I could get moved, but right now, I wear a green,

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I get paid. I'm a team. I mean, I think
he still would have been better off than Pittsburgh, but horse,
you know, business would be better off than Pittsburgh than
the Jets. Yeah, joy with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd lot. I learned
so much on this show. I've never once driven by
an adult club and seen a produce truck. I had

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no idea. The food was mean, you're not going there
for like, you know fresh, There's no no you're going
there for fresh? Trust me on that. Just a bad segment. Yeah,
you're fine, You're safe on that. I'm not Joey Taylor. Okay,
let's go to Doug Gottlieb brought to you by Mercedes.
Ben's the best or not in the Doug Gottlieb Show

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after mine. You know, it's funny you and I both
we both you're a basketball background, but you love football
and have great connections in that. And the people I
talked to over the weekend went, wow, Jets got a
lot of stuff. Is that what your source has said
after the move? Yes, that the Jets are competently run
by Joe Douglas. That's the bit. That's the big takeaway, right,

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because there are other positions laring me Tunsel last year
was two first round picks and Kenny Stills. Um. Yeah,
Obviously you go back and you look at what the
Raiders pulled in for one of the elite pass rushers
in the NFL. But to get this for a safety,
a box safety, especially a guy who who really did
the old General Sherman and you burned it to the

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ground calling out his head coach. Look, the Jets did
have him under contract for at least two more years,
so they did have that as leverage. But to get
two first round picks, especially considering, as you pointed out
many times smartly so on your own show, that the
Jets just don't have the talent like Mike mcagnet didn't.
He did a good job of first round picks, but

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the rest of it was a complete mess. So this
gives them the ability to load up on talent for
Sam Donald in the future and for Seattle. It does.
They overpaid, but they overpaid for the best possible guy
that they could go out and get and he fits
their scheme and he's a guy who Now the big
question becomes, did they agree to a long term extension

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before this deal was done? And that we don't know yet.
You know, it's interesting. I was saying this, Doug when
I'm older than you, But I remember when I was younger,
a shortstop was a shortstop and they were most light hitting.
And I mean, I go back to the A's in
the seventies camp and Nairos I think his name was
for the as. They look like shortstop. They were thin,
they couldn't hit with power, but they had great gloves.
They were slender. Oh that's a shortstop, Dave conceptsy on

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and then all of a sudden, yet Ripkin, he's a shortstop,
but he's got power. Then you get a Rod and
you're like, oh my god, he's a Hall of Famer
shortstop or third base. Athletes are getting bigger and they're
getting stronger and they're getting more multiple. I do look
at Jamal Adams and I say to myself, Man, if
I'm Pete Carroll, I'm like, I can line that dude up.
But Derwin James are the Chargers, so I canna line
him up everywhere? Right, Okay, if he's not Derwin James though,

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Like this guy's more of a box safety wears Derwin James.
What you're pointing out is and there's a parallel between
basketball and football right where you have guys in basketball
versatility positionless basketball they call it, right, what position is
Kevin Durant, Well, it brings it up and then he
can defend the rim sensely one through five because you're
not really guarding a big two hundred and sixty pound

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space heater in the post. Right Like that, you have
to be able to play multiple positions. And in the NFL,
the guys who are the most valuable outside of the
quarterback are the ones who either play the most positions,
can cover the most positions, or can play inside and
out as a wide receiver. Tight ends that can block
some and then of course are great pass catchers as well.
The more versatility you have that way. They don't you

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line up, They don't know what you're gonna do with
this guy. So I do think that safety's have become
more and more valuable. And I do think that Derwin
James is the guy that everybody points to. I don't
think that Jamal Adams is as versatile as Derwin James,
but as a box safety, he's about as good as
they come. And he does have some versatility to him,

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and that's what makes him more valuable on the open
market or the trademark in this case, then he would
have been you know, ten fifteen years ago. So I
you know, it's interesting with Lou Williams. We shift to
basketball and the Clippers lose a very good player, six
Man of the Year. And I can look at it
in multiple of ways. But Pete Carroll was talking about
it this weekend about the virus, and Pete Carroll said, Hey,

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there's only two ways we look at it in Seattle.
Are you protecting the team? Are you a team guy?
And number two, I don't want to hear about victimhood.
You know the rules, don't mess around. I don't want
to hear that. Well, you know, I'm so I don't
have that Pete's like, if we're going to get through this,
you've got to be a team guy. And I don't
want to have excuses. We're all in this hard year together.

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And I look at Lou Williams, smart, veteran player, a
good player, and I think, Okay, there was a funeral
he went to that I totally get it. But then
part of me thinks, dude, Lou, you got you got
teammates here. There's a championship team, And part of me thinks,
if I was a teammate, I'd be like, Lou, you're
not a rookie, you're a veteran. Come on, you got
to know better, right Colin. Everyone says in basketball, or

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in football, or in baseball, I want to win a championship.
I'll do whatever it takes to win a championship, but
very few people will actually do whatever it takes to
win a championship. And the easiest juxposition with Lou Williams
is Alex cru So. Alice Crusoe's didn't go to his
sister's wedding, okay, because he would have had to leave quarantine,
then come back and get under quarantine. And Lou Williams

(27:08):
goes to a funeral and then stops at Magic City
to get some wings on the way back to the airport.
Like we can joke about it, we can have fun
about it. I'm learning a lot from Joy about about
adult establishments and where the best place to get some
wings are. Okay, but you can door dash just as easily.
Yeah you can. I'm sure he's Lou Williams. And look,

(27:29):
the reason we found out was because some rapper tweeted
out that he was there, that he was hanging out.
Whether or not he was went making it rain and
throwing dollar bills doesn't matter. It's just the idea of selfishness,
quite quite frankly. And this is the reason that Lou Williams,
as super immensely talented as he is, has never really
been a part of a winner, because either you can

(27:51):
everybody says they want to win, but it's based upon
your actions. And on one side you have Alex Crusoe,
who's who's scratched and claude to get this chance, and
now the Lakers are down two point guards and this
is his opportunity, and he's turning down any sort of
chance to do anything outside of quarantine. Whereas Lou Williams

(28:12):
takes the first flight to Atlanta. Obviously, you got to
be with family. No one's gonna argue with that. But
the Magic City just points to you can say you
want to win, but it's your actions that are more important.
And it's a selfish move because it puts not just
your whole team at risk, the entire league at risk.
By the way I want to throw it. So this weekend,
everybody was crushing Rob Mann for a nice said they're

(28:32):
gonna get baseball. A lot of this stuff is just
public negotiating. And I watched this weekend, and I watched
a bunch of baseball, and I thought, honestly, I thought
the cardboard cutouts behind home plate helped. I mean, you know,
we're talking about empty stadiums. I thought Fox did a
good job with some ambientt noise. And I gotta tell you,
I thought baseball was interesting this weekend. Now this morning,
you know, here we go. Marlin's can't play. Now Baltimore

(28:54):
can't play because they're gonna play Miami and the Phillies
and the Yankees. Now that's a real game that matters.
They're postponed. Your takeaway on is it? I was thinking
about this morning, Doug NFL has only got eight roadies.
Baseball doesn't get the advantage of the bubble and a
bunch of road trips. Are we nuts on? This? Is

(29:15):
baseball going to be impossible to manage during this I
don't believe so. I mean, they've done it in Korea
for months. They done in Taiwan as well. I mean,
here's the first thing, and I tweeted this and it's
become kind of wildfire on Twitter, which is to all
the sports fighters, it is not a death sentence to
test positive for COVID. Okay, it is not, especially when

(29:36):
you're a professional athlete and you're being treated by the
best of the best of the best. Is it problematic
to the league? Absolutely, we'd like to avoid you testing positive. Sure,
But you had to think that Major League Baseball knew
at least one of their teams would have several players,
if not the entire team infected at some point. That's
why they have That's why they have these There's no

(29:57):
minor leagues anymore this year, so they have these bloated
fosters where they can add pieces and now they'll have
to juggle and figure out what to do with the Marlins,
what to do. Yankees are supposed to play in the
Philly Stadium. That's where the Marlins were last night. There's
a lot of other So the first thing is, though,
that testing positive is not a death sentence. The University
of Voklahoma had thirteen football players test positive when they

(30:17):
first tested kids. There's been no positive tests since. It
can be treated, it can be managed. Okay, now that
doesn't mean there's a cure for it, but especially with
the best of the best, if you catch earlier tests
often and you have athletes and that level of physical
condition at that age, they are very very very very
very unlikely to succumb to COVID nineteen based on all

(30:40):
statistical datas. That's the first thing. The second thing is,
and this is the point that you're making about the
cardboard cuts. I watched baseball. It was great, it was fun,
It felt like summer, right, But baseball does not exactly
have a high bar in terms of level of intensity
to bring it to you, right, like baseball could be baseball.
We're just as boring as we've always been. And I
think everybody would go, yeah, you know, that's that's not bad.

(31:02):
That's that's about right. It was great ambient noise. The
Mets still stink, shoo show. The big story, Shohio. Tommy's
fastball is ninety three up, Tommy John. That's like five
six miles an hour off what it used to be.
That's a big problem. But I do think that baseball
can survive this, and we'll see. Rob Benford had plenty
of time to prepare. He said the sixty game season

(31:23):
was pretty much all they could do, and we'll see.
It's it's not the crisis, it's how you manage the
crisis that determines if baseball can continue. My guess is
they planned for this. His podcast All Ball with Doug
Gottlieb on iTunes as well the Duggard Sports Radio after
our show. Good seeing you, buddy. Great to see as well.
Colin right, Colin wrong. Top of the Hour coming up next.

(31:43):
The NFL does this every year, their top one hundred
players and the players vote on it, and it's always
interesting to me to see who the players like and
consider top one hundred players in the NFL. There's a
quarterback they like and he ain't close to the top
one hundred, and we'll address that coming up. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon
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We're talking strip clubs, outdoor bars. This shows unraveling right
before your rise. So the NFL has a top one
hundred players list on nfl dot com. They release the
top twenty five players. It's very interesting how players what
players are impressed by. Players are impressed by big, strong athletes.
Of course they are because there's a certain like fidelity,
there's a certain truth inside a locker room. You know.

(32:58):
It's like Steph Curry. I love Steph Curry. I think
Steph Curry is one of the best players in NBA history.
Players look at Steph Curry, They're like, Nah, come on, man,
come on, you really step little skin he Steph Curry.
They love Westbrook. Well, Steph Curry's a better player than Westbrook.
Westbrook's got a forty seven inch vertical. Westbrook is going
one hundred miles an hour. He's a bigger, just a stronger,

(33:18):
more exhilarating athlete. Nobody would dispute that. I mean, Russell
Westbrook next to Steph Curry run up and down the court.
One guy is superman. The other guy is like fascinating,
a fascinating player who's the best shooter of all time.
But players prefer Westbrook over Steph Curry. GMS like the
fact that Curry can play with everybody, and everybody's better

(33:39):
with Curry and everybody struggles with Westbrook. Though Westbrook is unbelievable,
and I've said it before, I'd pay to watch him play.
He's unbelievable. He's like m J. Lebron. There's a handful
of athletes in NBA history. You're like, this is there's
better than rest of these dudes. To the rest of
these dudes are great. So I look at this list
of players. Lavante David at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a
linebacker number one hundred. If he's the one hundred best
player in this league. The NFL is in good shape

(34:02):
because that dude can just play like he's one of
the best young linebackers in football. And they have him
at a hundred, But thirteen spots ahead of him, they
have Josh Allen, the quarterback for Buffalo. And come on, now,
big strong, get it, runs over people, big arm, I
get it. Josh Allen's not a top one hundred player
in the NFL. Come on now, now again, players look

(34:25):
at him. He's six six, he can run, and I
think he has the strongest arm in the NFL. But
great players do not unravel against the best teams or coaches.
Josh Allen has played the Patriots three times. His completion
percentage is forty eight percent, is passerating his fifty six
and he has more picks than touchdowns. That's not what

(34:46):
Mahomes or Russell Wilson. That's not what they look against
look like against New England. Now, I'm not saying New
England's not a hard out, and you know, go ask
Jared Goff. They're a tough out. But great football players.
Ronnie Stanley is on this list. He's a left tackle.
When Ronnie Stanley, if he plays Khalil Mack. He's not

(35:07):
going to unravel. Laramy Tunsel's not going to unravel against
the good edge rusher. Now, I'm not saying you'll have
your best Sunday, but in twenty seven NFL starts, Josh
Allen has completed fifty six percent of his throws. That's atrocious.
That is terrible. I know he can run great, but

(35:28):
that's not a top one hundred football player in the NFL.
By the way, Kyler Murray is below Josh Allen at
this point, I would say this about Josh Allen. Josh
Allen has a really good coach, and I think they
have the best defense in the league. I really do.
I think it's better top to bottom than San Francisco.
It doesn't have the stars you know or watch on television.

(35:51):
But don't confuse yourself. There's seventeen hundred players in the NFL.
I would make the argument Josh Allen is not a
top two hundred player today. He's not. If Lavante David,
the linebacker for the Bucks, is one hundred, Josh Allen's
not a top two hundred player in the NFL. He
just looks the part that is just half of it.
That may not even be half of it in the NFL.
All right, So we got this baseball thing. The Marlins

(36:13):
have canceled their game because of the Corona spread against Baltimore.
Now most people don't care because these are not good teams,
but now postponed or the Yankees and Phillies, and this
is a problem. The advantage the NFL has on all
of this, and Joy and I have talked about this,
the NFL can watch the bubble and co watch soccer
and co watch baseball and can just watch all this

(36:33):
stuff and go, don't do that, don't do that, don't
do that. It's a huge advantage. If this thing would
have broken out in September, I got news for you.
You know, the NBA and baseball would look like geniuses.
So I do believe the NFL is going to get
through this. Baseball's got two issues. Number One, the players
didn't want to bubble. They didn't want to play in
Florida and Arizona. It's the summer. Believe me, I get it.

(36:57):
I totally get that. Number two is they got a
lot of travel. Even with a condensed schedule, baseball has
got a ton of travel. Here's the advantage of the
NFL has. They have eight road games. And in the NFL,
you literally go to a city, check into your hotel,
do a walk around, grab dinner, do some film, get up, play,
go home. In baseball, you go to a city. First

(37:18):
thing guys do. Man, they get their golf clubs, they
go out. And the Marlins got young players. Baltimore's got
you know, a lot of these teams. You know, the
Yankees have veteran players, the Dodgers, a lot of the
high payroll teams they have veteran players. Red Sox usually do,
maybe the Cubs do. But a lot of these young
teams in baseball, these average teams, they got young kids.
They got a bunch of guys under twenty six years old,
twenty five. They get to a city for three days,

(37:40):
not go into their room. They're gonna go hang out.
And so the NFL has a real advantage here not
many road games. The other thing the NFL has, I
believe as COVID spreads and we move into the fall,
states are going to keep bars closed closed, more restaurants close,
the gyms, the barbershops. As this thing ramps up, you

(38:01):
could have more closure state to state. What does that mean?
That's an advantage. And in the NFL, we've talked about
this before. Football practice is hard, and that what happens
over the course of a season for an NFL player,
a lot of them. Football players tend to get married
sooner than other sports. Is it because they spend a

(38:21):
longer time in college? Is it because NFL players know
it's a shorter career. They put their money away sooner,
they get married sooner, have kids sooner in the earning years.
I don't really know the answer to this, but what
you find in the NFL with a lot of players
is during the season it's facility home, facility, home, facility, home, lift, workout,

(38:42):
sweat home. It's that's what an NFL regular season looks like.
In the offseason, boom, guys are out. In the second half,
guys party, guys have fun, guys move. But in an
NFL regular season, you see a lot of these players,
only eight road trips, facility home. With all the closures
around America, I think the NFL gets through the season.
I don't know. With baseball, they're not doing the bubble

(39:04):
and there's a lot of road trips and a lot
of young players on a lot of teams that don't
have big budgets. I don't know what's going to happen.
I thought baseball was very good this weekend. But if
you told me in two three weeks you had nine
teams couldn't play, I'd be like, well, no bubble, A
lot of players on the road many days. Tough. It's
a tough one for baseball, and I don't know what
they're gonna do. I thought they had a great weekend,
but I think it's a tough one for him. Peter

(39:26):
King Sham Sharon is going to be joining? Is he
in the bubble? I think he's in the bubble? Is
he not? Hopefully he is? NBA stuff watched it as
well this weekend. He is Sham's is in the bubble?
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Lou Williams got in trouble. I went to Atlanta for
a funeral. Everybody understands, then stopped at a strip club,
got foodspost have the best food in Atlanta. I we

(40:32):
to Atlanta half dozen times. Not one time did anybody
say we got to go to the strip club best
meal in town. But I'm one of these guys. I
don't know everything. A lot of this stuff who run
over my head? Joy tells me strip clubs have remarkable food.
Not all. But there's one in Miami called what eleven

(40:52):
is a twenty four hours strip club in Miami. Oh,
the twenty four hours. Yes, it does not close. Oh,
I didn't even know that was legal. Twenty four hours
strip club. Yeah, all day long, all day any time,
three in the morning, three in the afternoon, bacon eggs.
And actually they have a restaurant on the roof. There
but Tutsis has good wings. Oh Tutsis all right? All right, Well,

(41:14):
you know what this is. First of all places, cities
in America that have a strong strip club community tend
to have a good food. See, I grew up in
Pacific Northwest. Seattle's the worst strip club city in the
country because a legislation you can't have him. It's terrible. Okay,
So not that I would know, but I've heard guys
say it's just in Seattle in the winter's kind of

(41:36):
dark and cloudy and randy, and downtown Seattle's kind of
cold and quiet and not a scene, right, and so
once the Sonics moved out of downtown Seattle, it's just dead.
And so what I've heard NBA guys be like, it's
a bad strip club place. I'm gonna go right, So listen,
I've been going to these cities forever, all these big cities.
I've never once when I get Zagot Guide seen Spearmint

(41:56):
Rhino in there. So like I'm like, hey, we can
go to the wrong places. Um, I mean, it's the culture.
You know what I could tell Anne Honey, best club
sandwich in town didn't look I don't. I don't know
if the club. Sandwich is the way to go. Wings
Wings specifically really are Yeah, okay, yeah, you know what
I like to learn? Yeah, I mean that's that's the
part of life. Right today it was a learning game.

(42:18):
Well every day, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong? We
do it every Monday. Here we go where Colin was right? Uh?
Rob Manford got crushed by everybody. Oh he's the worst commissioner.
And I said, just settle down, settle down. We're gonna
have a baseball season. It's gonna be fine. The rating
is gonna be great. What do we do this weekend?
Unbelievable ratings ESPN broke records, Fox up like thirty percent.

(42:40):
And I gotta be honest with you, it looked pretty good.
I watched three games in the Dodgers Giant Series and
highlights from the rest of them. And for a sport
built in gigantic stadiums and no fans, I thought it worked.
The ratings were fantastic. This pandemic is creating very unique challenges.
As Joy mentioned last week, baseball may have more challenges

(43:01):
because the ball it's always reminding you, the ball is
going into the stands, it's always reminding you there's nobody
at these games. But I thought baseball looked great. I
watched the games. It felt different. It wasn't as there's
not enough juice, but I think overwhelmingly it was a
great first weekend for baseball where Colin was raw. Listen,
I've been supporting Adam Gays for years. I do think

(43:22):
he has a lot of qualities of Kyle Shanahan. But
he's becoming a problem now and this will be his
last year unless they have a winning record. If Jamal
Adams is correct in what he said about Adam Gaze,
he basically doesn't communicate with any of the players, or
not enough of the star players. It's a big problem.
He's just not a great communicator. And you can say

(43:42):
what you want, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, the
great coaches in this league, even Belichick. You asked players,
they are like, oh, he's a great teacher. He's a
great communicator. People will tell you about Belichick. He'll teach
a football. You ask questions, Bill's got answers. Adam gas
is in trouble in New York because if Jamal Adams
can go, Joe Douglas can certainly fire a coach where

(44:04):
Colin was right. Ian Rappaport at Rap Sheet says, the
unsung hero in the football CBA negotiations over the weekend
was Andy Reid. I've been supporting and you read for
fifteen years, one of the smartest guys ever, a total
players coach player. Michael Vick talks about him like he's
his dad. Players love Andy Reid, and apparently read stepped

(44:26):
in this weekend and he got everybody in the players
union through this thing and said he basically told the owners, guys,
we got to bend on this stuff. These guys are
making huge sacrifices for us. And he's one of the
few head coaches that gives Bill Belichick trouble because he
basically every Sunday he's got a different playbook. But not
a shock that the great Andy Reid. That's why the

(44:47):
super Bowl win was so just and special. This guy
deserves the super Bowl. He's just sucked. The guys love him,
the players love him, the owners love him. Nobody in
the NFL deserve one more. Not a shock. The CBA
this week in figured out by Andy Reid where Colin
was raw. I think this is the easiest year ever
to give Lebron the MVP, new coach, new system, new teammates,

(45:10):
new star teammate and oh, by the way, new position,
and he's putting up unbelievable numbers and the Lakers are
the number one seed in the West by five and
a half games, and he's not gonna win the MVP.
Ye have seventeen to the twenty writers ESPN dot com
er GUNN choose Jannis. Lebron's odds are ten to one.
I honestly, I know you think I'm a Lebron fanboy,
but this is an easy one. This is an easy one.

(45:33):
New coach, new system, new players, I mean, god, the rosters,
brand new and new position, and you lead the West
by five and a half games. This is the easy
Lebron one. I mean, it's uh, you know, this is
why this award for me is the Coach of the
Year in the NBA and the NBA Player of the

(45:54):
Year MVP. I just I don't get it. I just
I don't if you if you don't see Lebron as
the MVP Most Valuable Player, could Yannis have gotten a
new coach, a new system, all new teammates and lead
the West by five and a half games. Let's start
with no and work our way from there. Where Colin
was right. You know, I like change. Baseball struggles with it,
but Baseball decided to and I love this idea. We're

(46:16):
going to start extrinning games with the runner at second.
We don't want seventeen inning games. What do you know
they did at four times this weekend, at all, four
times tenth inning game over, So it worked exactly as planned.
What baseball says is we go to extra innings. We
want to speed this puppy up. We don't want teams

(46:37):
with the virus. We can't do the makeup games. Let's
get these things done as fast as we can. And
the Mets and Braves raise and jays A's and Angels
and Cleveland in Kansas City four for four game ended
in the tenth inning, Where Colin was right. Brian brot Us,
a former scout in the NFL and former Cowboy coach,

(46:57):
went on the radio in Dallas last weekend and said,
when asked about Dak at this point, I don't think
he wants to be on the team. He won't say
it or he won't show it. He's strong, he's a stud,
but I don't think he's happy, is what he basically said.
This has always been my feeling about Dack and Mike McCarthy.
Mike McCarthy was asked a week after getting the job
if he talked to Dack, and he said, no, I
don't even get that. But the difference is I do

(47:20):
sort of understand it. Dak needed Jason Garrett, and Jason
Garrett needed Dak. Mike McCarthy doesn't need Dak for his
legacy or a Super Bowl, or his money or his
job security for the next three years. And I think
Dak consents that. You know, people can tell me they
love each other, but Dack smart enough to know I
lost my guy and now I have to prove myself

(47:42):
all over again. And it does not shock me at all,
not to mention. I totally get professional athletes, especially quarterbacks,
not liking the franchise Tack. I would not like it
if I was Aaron Rodgers and they couldn't get me
a defense and I knew I was trapped for the
rest of my career. Mostly, I wouldn't like it either.

(48:03):
Tom Brady didn't have real free agency until the very end,
and what did he do used it? The minute he
hadn't he used it where Colin was row. I never
thought Cam in New England was a perfect fit. New
England's very much system over player. Camp is the star
the guy. But at Logan Airport, Cam arrived in Boston
and he went all in on the Patriot Way. Canlon,

(48:27):
so sorry to do this to you. You're live right
now with Channel seven. I'm sorry. I know you didn't
want to talk anything that you can say to Patriot's
Nation right now again, you're live with Channel seven. No,
they suspect nobody, but I'm extremely aesthetic. But I'm not talking.

(48:47):
That's that's that's pretty much. When would we expect you
to say a few a few more words for us?
Who knows e'xcity to be here in Boston pass than
that is so Tom Brady, it hurts. That is the
Patriot Way, baby, And I like that Cam where Colin
was right. But Joe Douglas got the job. I called

(49:09):
all my NFL guys and they're like, this guy's gonna
be great for the Jets. We'll see what he can do.
But I will say this about Joe Douglas. If you
knew I had to sell my home and Joe was
gonna buy it, and she knew I had to sell
it for a reason. She'd have all the leverage once
Jamal Adams called out Adam Gaze, everybody in the league
knew Jets had to move often to get two first

(49:29):
a third in the starting safety was excellent considering they
you lose Jamal Adams, but that's a big haul considering
everybody in the league knew they wanted to trade him.
I mean that's remember Steelers only gave up one first
round pick. They got double that and a third and
a starting safety. The Jets may have their issues and

(49:51):
be a tire fire, but that was a really good
haul for a team, frankly that did not have a
ton of leverage. This was not a quarterback moving, This
was not an edge rusher. This was not an elite corner.
It's a box safety. A lot of teams don't want
to spend the money on a box safety, where Colin
was right. Tom Thibodeau got hired by the Knicks a

(50:13):
five year deal, shocking, another uninspiring head coaching hire. He's
been fired twice. He just looks like practice would be
no fun. It's increasingly an offensive league, and he's mister
grinded out defensive coach. I'm sure, I'm sure he knows basketball.

(50:34):
But New York needs a coach that can attract free
agents because James Dolan is repellent for free agents. You
gotta get somebody who doesn't look like my accountant and
wants long practices and is mister defense. This is why
I never got to move off Fisdale liked and respected.

(50:56):
He couldn't get a sit down with KD. What's that
tell you? It's the process. It's gonna take a lot
of time. This feels like, Hey, who's the guy that's
won some games in the NBA? Does he fit what
the Knicks wanna be? Is this attractive for free agents?
I don't get it, But again I'm right because I'm
not surprised at all. The top candidates out good stuff.

(51:19):
Peter King's gonna be joining us next. I know he
likes baseball. I thought it was a good weekend I watch.
I'll tell you that Giants Dodgers series. Giants aren't very good,
but when you get pitching easier to win games, Baseball
is so much about pitching, it's just incredible. You can
have the worst roster Dodgers have better players all up
and down. Minute. Giants get decent pitching, Dodgers can't score.

(51:39):
Giants win games. I mean that's why Kershawn, these guys
get these monster deals. There you go, That's why. Be
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(52:02):
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Back to back MLS tournament action on FS one and
the Fox Sports Okay, so joy, you got now this
is crazy? So the MLS Joy, As we know, they
have a bubble, yes, and now two teams did not
show up of Nashville and Dallas, but they didn't show

(52:23):
up to the bubble because they had a bunch of
guys test positive. But since the bubbles happen in soccer,
it's good, it's been great. Yes, NBA has a bubble.
It's been great. There's no tests in the bubble, and
they're very punitive asked Lou Williams. No chicken wings at
strip clubs. You're out listen to this joy. The NHL

(52:43):
took forty three thousand tests of over eight hundred players.
Now hockey's got two bubbles, three forty three thousand tests. Wow,
with eight hundred players no positive tests, So the bubbles work. Well? Yeah,
would makes sense that the bubbles work. I mean, that's
the point of quarantining and isolation and staying away from

(53:06):
you know, public places and wearing masks and going through protocol.
That's that's exactly what you're supposed to do to eliminate
the virus. So the question is does the non bubble
thing work? So, like, for instance, college football, My problem
with college football is how are you going to do
college football? Like in the NFL, guys go back home
to their families, right, And as I said, football players

(53:27):
tend to get married a little sooner than other athletes
for whatever reasons. But in college football, if you had
kids on campus, what you're going to the you're walking around.
But if kids aren't going on campus and they're doing
it online, then the football players just hang out with
the football players, then it is a bubble. Then college
football essentially, essentially, it is a bubble. And let's be honest,

(53:47):
you've been on you know, you know this from your
brother college football over the last fifteen years. The facilities
are built for players that, yeah, that's tremendous. You'll never
see a college football player outside of an occasional class
ever on a campus like they're just they're in their
like facilities. And so if you don't have students at universities,
college football then becomes essentially a bubble. Well that's the question,

(54:09):
are they going to have college football? Okay, so but
this is this is really interesting. So hockey had forty
three thousand tests. That's really impressive. Eight hundred players in
a dual bubble, no positives. So right now we know
bubbles work. We don't know if the non bubble works
with baseball or football. Peter King will join us now

(54:29):
Football Morning in America by Peter King, NBC Sports dot Com.
He was writing two minutes ago. That's what Peter does.
He writes to the last second that he's on the air. Okay,
let's start with the Jamal Adams trade thing. So it's interesting,
Peter I was saying this. I went to Pro Football
Focus last week, they had the Seahawks defensive line thirty
second their offensive line twenty eight. In their own division,

(54:49):
San Francisco has massive advantages on both lines, and I
think we both agree line play in the NFL is
a significant factor in getting to the playoffs winning divisions.
Here's my problem with the Jamal Adams trade. I know
he's great, I know he's amazing, but boy, Seattle's got
issues on this football team, and I don't think safety

(55:10):
is a priority or am I wrong? Is it a
priority for Pete Carroll and the Seahawks. Well, I think
the way John Schneider and Pete Carroll looked at this
column is very simple. You know, they will never have
an opportunity when they draft in the twenties and their
average draft position in the last five years has been

(55:31):
twenty three and a half. So they're not going to
get a chance to get a game breaking player like
Jamal Adams, and so I think their view is if
this was a franchise left tackle, if this was a
franchise pass rusher, I think John Schneider would have done
exactly the same thing. This is a difference making football player,

(55:55):
and for the Seattle Seahawks, that made all the difference
in them going after him, even though they've got to
give up two months. Look at their history, their recent history,
and as I say, top forty five picks, their last
five of them have all been you'd argue that the
best ones were shot. Pay Yeah. So I mean this

(56:16):
was to me a no doubt deal almost for both teams,
because the Jets had to get rid of them, got
two ones, and the Seahawks get to a really, really
good player and now all they have to do is
sign them. So I look at the Jets and the
way the playbook in the NFL, Peter is you get it,
you draft a quarterback, you don't have to pay them

(56:38):
for three or four years like the Chiefs, like the Ravens,
like Seattle with Russell Wilson, and then you're allowed to
kind of overspend on some free agents for three or
four years and you win. So the Jets are the opposite.
They're not paying Darnold anything and their star player leaves.
But I do think Joe Douglas had a good Saturday.
But this is the opposite of what all the smart

(56:59):
teams do, like get rid of their best player. Well, look,
Joe Douglas is walking into a broken situation. Period, he's
walking into a broken situation. He is the one who
has to clean up the mess left by previous administrations.

(57:21):
And so therefore he now he didn't make the mess,
even though he might have exacerbated it with Jamal Adams.
He didn't make this mess. But clearly what happened in
this particular case is that you know, he viewed that, Look,
I probably am not going to be able to sign
this guy, and I'm getting offered two ones for him.

(57:44):
We're not winning the Super Bowl this year. Let's take it.
And so now the Jets are sitting there and they've
in two thousand twenty one, they got five picks in
the first three rounds, including two ones, and that for
Joe Douglass is about the best he can do. Okay,
So we're you know, I was just talking to this

(58:06):
about Joy. The MLS bubble works, the NBA bubble works,
and hockey just had forty three tests with eight thousand,
eight hundred players, not a single positive test. So the
bubble stuff, the very restrictive bubbles, they work. It appears
they work. Baseball's got a lot of travel and a
lot of players and a lot of planes and a
lot of road trips. I do think the NFL has

(58:26):
a huge advantage. Two advantages over baseball. They only go
in the road eight times. Secondly, for whatever reason, and
I don't have an answer for this, NFL players generally
get married before other athletes. I don't know why, college experience.
I have no idea why, but historically they have meaning
they go home at night. Facility, home, facility, home, facility home.
I do think that's an advantage for the NFL. When

(58:50):
you talk to people right now, with all the COVID
stuff in sports, do you get a general sense of
optimism from football people? Optimism but also cautioned. You know,
in the last ten minutes, I have reported that one
of the NFL's leaders in formulating their anti COVID policy

(59:16):
and formulating the role of the infection control officer, Minnesota's
head athletic trainer, Eric Sugerman, just tested positive for COVID nineteen.
So clearly there are no guarantees in this column. There
are no guarantees whatsoever. The fact that you know, one
of the leading people in the NFL you know, has

(59:39):
now tested positive for COVID nineteen. One of the leaders
in combating COVID just means that, look, there's no reason
for anybody to get cocky and think, oh yeah, we're
playing two hundred and fifty six games right on schedule.
It is why I wrote this morning in my column
very simply that you know, Roger Medell, in my opinion,

(01:00:01):
has to have the authority, you know, to be able
to say if on Thursday or Friday, if the Minnesota
Vikings offensive line, if four starters go out, that he's
got to have the authority, at least in my opinion,
to be able to postpone that game and maybe to
add an eighteenth week to the NFL season. But Colin,

(01:00:23):
everybody I talked to desperately wants a season. You know,
Andy Reid over the weekend saying, hey, listen, we gotta play.
America needs it, and I totally agree with him. America
needs this game right now. And people are saying, oh,
don't be silly, it's just football. But I'm telling you
if the NFL didn't play, I think it'd be a

(01:00:43):
big blow to this country. You know, I think, not
only economically but psychologically. Because I watched a lot of
baseball this weekend and I'm not gonna lie I had
a corona. I watched a bunch of baseball and it
made me very happy. And I'm sorry. Maybe I need
sports more than I should. Maybe I'm not healthy, but
I thought it made my weekend fly. Why I don't
you know, it's when Joe Douglas made this move for

(01:01:04):
Jamal Adams. It was funny because I don't remember Joy
and I were talking about this. The NBA was always
the trade sport, players had power, and the NFL was
always kind of a reluctant trade league. And then Saturday,
I get that Jamal Adams thing. I'm like, we are
in a sport now. It's it's it's more trade centric
than the NBA, and we're seeing stars get traded. It's

(01:01:27):
the last three or four years, Peter, you talk to
these gms, what's happened. Why is the league said, We're
not only gonna Well, go ahead, I'll tell you exactly
what has happened, Colin, and this I feel very strongly
about this, and I love this. I love this about
the way the NFL has turned to the trade and

(01:01:47):
not just draft day trades. Okay, it is because a
younger generation has taken over the reins of teams and
you have I'm less snead with the Rams. He's not afraid.
You know, he'll trade for Brandon Cooks and then he'll
turn around and he'll trade him away. And when Brandon

(01:02:10):
Cooks was very productive for it. You know, John Schneider
is the king of the big trade. You know, he's
a younger guy, he's in his forties, but you know
he's had this job for ten years now and he's
always been a trader. Eric da Costa wants to trade.
Joe Douglass, the new GM of the Jets, wants to trade.
Howdy Roseman is a trade a holic with the Philadelphia Eagles.

(01:02:35):
So the younger generation of general managers are all same.
In my opinion, why not Why shouldn't we trade? I
can get value when I have confidence in how we
judge the player we might trade away, or I have
confidence in the player we're going to trade for. Yeah,
Peter King, good stuff NBC Sports dot Com. Peter good

(01:02:55):
talking to you. Thank you so much. And I will
say this, I think trades are good for leagues, and
I think it makes it more fun. I really do. Listen,
there's a fantasy football aspect to trades. That you can
play along. I mean, I literally that Jamal Adams trade
came down and I'm like, oh my god, this is great.
And I'm looking at the Seahawks and I'm looking at
the Jets and I'm like, oh, I got draft picks.
Any time of sport can let you and I play along.

(01:03:18):
I mean, we can't put on the pads, but when
we can play along, everybody likes to build a roster
and build a team. It's you know, my son was
building forts when he was four years old in the bedroom.
He's got pillows and he's building forts, and there is
That's why guys, I mean, I know a lot of
people that like the fantasy teams. You're like, you pretend
you're a general manager, and the NFL now is just crazy.
Well also thens to the possibility of the unpredictability of

(01:03:42):
the season. You know, you and you get these guys
like Jamal Adams who are in bad situations that we
want to see thrive, who otherwise in past years we
would be stuck in these situations and now they're not.
Like now he's with the Seahawks, we get to see
what he does with a better organization, with a better quarterback,
better system, Like those things weren't possible four so it's
so many more possibilities. Yeah, Joey Taylor with the news.

(01:04:04):
Now this is the herd Line news. All right, more
Bubble news. The Pelicans announced that Zion Williamson has returned
to the Orlando Bubble. He was tested daily while he
was gone and never received a positive result. So he
will only need to quarantine for four days and is
expected to be ready to play in the Pelicans first
game Thursday against the Jazz. So after every very long waits,

(01:04:28):
we will see Zion Williamson, okay, this Thursday. So now
I could be crazy on this. I thought he had
much longer to stay out. It seems like they're expediting this.
So if you if you follow the protocol for leading,
so if you have to leave for extenuating circumstances every day,
if you leave for you don't get permission to leave,
then you have to quarantine for whatever ten to fourteen days.

(01:04:50):
As we saw early when everyone arrived at the Bubble,
there were a few players that violated the quarantine and protocol.
If you follow the protocol and you have permission to
leave the bubble, which obviously means you've had a conversation
about exactly where you're going, who you're going to be around,
what it is exactly you're leaving for all of those things.
So he had a family emergency or an emergency he
had to leave for us. Several guys have had to

(01:05:12):
leave the bubble. If you test negative consecutive days, you
don't have to quarantine for us long when you come back.
So when you leave, you still have to continue testing
every day like everyone else in the bubble does, so
that you know for sure that you don't have it,
because obviously you can be exposed by being out around people.
So because he hasn't tested positive, he will only have

(01:05:34):
to quarantine for four days, which means he'll be about
available for Thursday's game. His quarantine began on Friday nights,
and he'll probably be out of quarantine sometime this Tuesday.
So good news that we're going to see Zion and
that he's back in the Bubble for one game start.
So Alex Smith has an emartine to get back to
football after a devastating leg injury in twenty eighteen, and

(01:05:54):
now his surgical team has cleared him to resume football activities.
He returned to Washington for his physical today, and according
to multiple reports, he's expected to start training camp on
the physically unable to perform list, but he is cleared.
So players who start the season on the PUP list
may not be practiced until their team cleared by team personnels,
but they can attend meetings and they can work out,

(01:06:14):
and once cleared, then they can return to the field.
And I just I'm not comfortable with us at all.
I just don't want to. I mean listening, great guy,
nice career, wrap it up, a lot of money, beautiful family.
I can't watch Alex Smith now all win if he
gets hit. I mean his leg had like seven teams.
If you watched the special on Alex Smith, it's worth
your time. It's really an incredible watch. I can't even imagine,

(01:06:38):
like a normal injury is hard to come back from,
but just mentally, emotionally almost rehabbed. I didn't see it.
It wasn't there almost a consideration of amputation. Yeah, very early,
very early, because he got a skin infection like a
flesh eating bacteria on his legs, so they had to
take massive parts of his leg out in order to

(01:06:59):
stop it from obviously spreading to the rest of his body,
and I think it might have I don't know if
it got into his blood. I don't know, but you
have to watch the special. It's it's really incredible. It's
had seventeen surgeries on his leg. It's just an incredible
testament to his spirit because that is, I mean, one
surgery is a lot to go through. I don't know
if you've ever had a major surgery, it's it's a
lot to go through. Seventeen of those. He really wants

(01:07:22):
to get back out on one injury. One seventeen surgeries
on one injury. Yes, it's remarkable. Really, I would like
to see him have an opportunity, if for nothing else,
just you know, it's an incredible story. It's clearly something
he's deeply passionate about. I'm with you. After watching that,
I'm like, I can't imagine having to even the slight,

(01:07:44):
slightest desire to go back out there and play football again.
I just hope he backs up Dwayne Haskins. There's another reason,
a route for Dwayne Haskins to succeed, So Alex is
a backup and then moving out on office and is
a wonderful broadcaster. Well Astro's Acetussin. Verlander will be out
for a significant amount of time with a right forearm strain.

(01:08:05):
Manager Dussie Baker said Verlander felt some tenderness during his
start on Friday, and he will be reevaluated in a
couple of weeks. This comes after an initial report that
Verlander was done for the season, which he strongly denied.
He tweeted the report that I'm currently missing the rest
of the season is not accurate. There is a forearm strain.
I'm hopeful that with some rest of will heel and
I'll be able to return soon. Thank you all for

(01:08:25):
the well wishes. Paramoji, I just got a text from
a good friend of mine. I'm not going to say
his name to get him in trouble. He said, some
of the best food in Atlanta is inside of strip clubs,
and this is one of my dear friends. It's a
sort of god my friends. I had no idea my
friends are hanging out at strip clubs eating wings in Atlanta.
I had no idea there are a lot of people
hanging out of ship clubs generally. Any of my friends

(01:08:47):
who go there, please text me so when I'm in Atlanta,
hold on holdable. Oh god, he just sent me a
website of good strip club food. I mean, so you've
never eaten in the strip club of were no Is.
That is am I rare in America. I mean for
a very long time I was was anti eating and
chip clubs. But I've never once. The couple times I

(01:09:10):
went at a cocktail, it was very respectful. Even I
mean it's farting, it keeps you there longer. You can
go there for lunch. You know that people have lunch meetings.
There were twenty four seven until thirty minutes time. I
mean not everywhere. I mean Miami has different. I'm pretty
sure Vegas strip clubs are twenty four seven. So I
could literally walk in and go pancakes, maypole syrup and

(01:09:30):
dance a lap dance. I'd like have pancakes and the lapdans.
You can say that in America that touch sentence. I
didn't know it existed thirty minutes ago. To America. You
did not know that people consistently ate in ship clubs.
So when you saw this Lou william story, you were
just in shock. You thought you thought he just went
to the strip club. I can have waffles and a
lap dance. I didn't even know that was possible. I

(01:09:52):
don't think you do them simultaneously. But if you can eat,
I don't understand. I watched Sopranos. Nobody's eating waffles in
this Verronto strip club scenes. Not a single wall, and
not every city stoop club has the facilities, and like this,
like it's not a thing. I'm not certain places. It's
just like that's I'm not even comfortable eating yogurt in

(01:10:12):
front of people. Forget naked people. What are you talking about?
We're talking about wings and lakes, Okay, sliders. I gotta
get out of this segment. Are we done? Yes? All right,
segment does well. That's the news, and thanks for shoving
by the herd line news, he said yogurt. I've never

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ninety Empacific. Sean I'm Sharanya, NBA insider for the Athletic
and the Stadium comes on our show regularly. He's headed
to the Bubble in a little more than a week
and he is joining me. Now, some interesting stories. He
broke the story that the league was investigating Lou Williams

(01:11:15):
of the Clippers. Also broke the story that Lou Williams
was be getting a ten day quarantine. So let's get
to this story. Are are the Clippers mad? Is the
league frustrated? This is a veteran player, should you know?
I mean, I get rookies doing things, they're kids. Lu
has been around the league a while. I mean, who's mad?
Who's upset? Lay it out for me, Shams, Yeah. I

(01:11:36):
think the league is more upset about the optics to this,
and I think everyone around the Clippers they're not holding
anything against Lou wim from what I'm told the locker room,
the players, they they're not giving Lou Williams any crap
over over this situation, Like they understand that you know,
he went home for a family friend's funeral. M it
was something that took place. He went into the Magic City,

(01:11:58):
the restaurant there and got some some food and he
ended up taking a picture with Jack Harlow, the rapper,
and that that picture leaked, And if that picture had
never leaked, maybe we would not be having this conversation.
So for the optics of everything, the league has put
such an emphasis on safety, on player health, on everyone
being in this bubble, a restrictive environment, and really utilizing

(01:12:21):
all the rules, you know, all the mandates that the
league is put into place. And so iful player goes
into you know, unquote unquote you know, Magic City or
Strip Club or whatever and ends up taking a picture.
For the optics, it doesn't look good. But listen, lou
Wims understands, Um, you know what went into this decision
by the league and this ten day quarantine that he's
going to take place. Um, and he's gonna have to

(01:12:43):
sit out at least two games because of that quarantine.
He understood that. As you know, Friday and Saturday went
on as he underwent the investigation with the league and
they came up with his ten day quarantine. So Zion returned.
It was a family emergency or some emergency. He returned.
A deep sigh for the NBA because he's a wildly
popular player despite not having played many NBA games. Do

(01:13:07):
we know Zion okay? Family back. I mean, he kind
of did it the perfect way, right, like do it
to take a test every day, like that's kind of
the example of the way to do it right. Yeah, him, Montras, Harold,
Pat Beverley. These guys, you know, they went away for
whether it's a week, a few days and ended up
testing every day and re entered the bubble and then

(01:13:27):
now they're gonna have you know, it could be two,
could be four days of quarantine before rejoining their team.
Zion Williston will rejoin the Pelicans for practice team activities
tomorrow Tuesday, and his status is still a little up
in the air for Thursday. Listen to Pelicans the league.
They're hopeful to play and that he plays, but again,

(01:13:48):
this is gonna be all about his health. The Pelicans
are going to prioritize his health and his safety as
these next few days and weeks go on. You know,
it's funny. I heard somebody say it on this show,
and I forget who it was, but they said in
national players tend to be a little more loyal to
their teams, whereas the domestic player in America is more
mobile Lebron Kevin Durant. They're gonna go where they want

(01:14:09):
to go. And it was a theory I heard out
there that international players tend to be a little more loyal.
I don't know if they're thankful, who knows. So I've
said before with Jannis is if Chris Middleton struggles in
the postseason like he did against Toronto last year, you know,
Yannis looks at it and thinks, I'm gonna make a
lot of money here. Chris is locked into a max.
It's not a great free agent market. So I have
theorized that Chris Middleton playing well even if the Bucks

(01:14:31):
lost in the finals. But if Chris gave you twenty
three a night and you could depend on him as
a two, I think Yannis stays in Milwaukee. I don't
think they have to win the finals, but I do
think Sean's that if Middleton struggled against the Boston or
he struggled in earlier rounds, that even Yannis, as much
as he loves Milwaukee, may think this league is no

(01:14:53):
fun not getting to the finals. That's my theory that
Chris Middleton could actually hold the key to a lot
of what's gonna happen in the NBA for the next
five years. Am I nuts? Have you heard this? Do
you believe that I haven't heard Chris Milton being the key?
But listen, he's part of the key of the Bucks
succeeding in the playoffs, in the potential finals to keep

(01:15:15):
Jannis And listen, the Bucks understand everyone around the Bucks
understands that getting to the finals and really winning at
a high level is the ultimate character Yanson Dukoumpo to
resign ultimately, whether that's an extension this summer or next year,
and so they understand how badly he wants to win
under any circumstance. So, yeah, it's Chris Middleton a key

(01:15:36):
in that, of course. But I wouldn't say everything is
based on Chris Middleton, but there's no doubt he is
their other all NBA All Star type player. The onus
will be on him to provide that secondary support. That
the Bucks also paid him a near maximum near one
hundred and eighty million dollars contract last summer. Hey by
the way, you know, we know Kawhi Leonard because of
his health, didn't do a ton of back to backs,

(01:15:58):
but now he's had like four months off. Do we
expect Kawhi Leonard to play on a nightly basis? Which
is we haven't seen a ton of that over the
last couple of years. But the is the virus and
the layoff, Is that change that with Kawhi going forward?
I mean, I would expect Kawhi Leonard to be one
percent for these seeding games and then the playoffs, there's

(01:16:19):
no doubt like the playoffs is when Kawhi Leonard really
turns his game on. And when you see that MVP
you know all you know, all worldly type play. You
see it already in the regular season. But obviously it
seems that he's able to turn his game up to
a whole other level come playoff time. And that has
a lot to do with no minis restriction, no no
sign of maybe sitting out a game or two, like

(01:16:40):
he's all systems go. So I know how much you
know from homs told he really used the layoff period
to work on his body. The Clippers as a whole
utilize that period to train with each other to spend time,
whether it's virtually and then as they got closer to
in person workouts to working out with each other, and
so a lot of that has to do with Kawhi
Leonard making sure that he is one in shape and

(01:17:02):
him and Paul George have taken the leadership as far
as bringing guys together and really getting guys to be
in shape for when you know the shot the light
shines brightest, which is right now. Sean's good seeing you again,
good luck in the bubble in about ten to fourteen days.
We appreciate it. Thanks going yeah this weekend. That the
NFL trade with Jamal Adams is interesting because initially segueing

(01:17:25):
to that, some of my friends and around the league said,
the Jets where to go to Hall. It's interesting about
the NFL that you know, you usually in the NBA,
you'd never want to lose a star player. That's just given.
In baseball you're willing to lose a star player if
it's a ten year contract. And even the Yankees with
Robinson Cano said we've got a ton of money, but
we're not signing Robinson Cano to a ten year contract.

(01:17:46):
But in the NFL, what's happening outside of quarterback is
that people are just more willing to trade really great players. Again,
it doesn't happen in hockey, it doesn't happen in the NBA,
and it's it occasionally in baseball. Happened simply because teams
don't want to get tied with three hundred. I mean,
the Nats have a lot of money. They just didn't

(01:18:07):
want to pay that kind of money for Bryce Harper.
There does get to be a point of no return.
But you are increasingly seeing in the NFL people are like, well,
trade our best players Jadeveon Clowney, Khalil Mack and I
really outside a quarterback. And I think about this all
the time. Remember with the NFL, as good as Jamal
Adams is, the average NFL player is not worth half

(01:18:32):
a point in a game. That's the downside of the NFL.
I mean, Jamal Adams has been playing for the Jets
for a couple of years. They've been lousy. Even their
defense is not Ohay was great, although it played pretty
well at the end of last season. So when you
look at these players, you know, when Khalil mac got traded,
people just went they were a gas. They couldn't believe it.
I mean, the Raiders ended up getting a bunch of picks,

(01:18:53):
and one of their picks, the running back from Alabama,
was a player. It was the offensive rookie of the year.
So I don't think it's it's and it's not anti player.
But the truth is in the NBA, a great player
is probably worth five to seven points a night. I mean,
you can't give up Eric Lindross in his prime, or
there's not that many spectacular, transformative hockey players that are great.

(01:19:16):
You can't give them up. But I do think in football,
because of the construct of the sport, you can move
off players, and you can really move off defensive players.
What do they have in common? Jadeveon Clowney, they moved
off him defense, Jamal Adams defense, Khalil Mack defense, Minka
Fitzpatrick defense. This league is now so offensive that I

(01:19:38):
think general managers look around and Joe Douglas is like
two verse a third and starting xavity for a defensive player.
So that's I just think we're just seeing I think
it makes the sport better. You know, I've said this before.
I don't know if analytics helps baseball. I don't think
it does. I like base runners analytics, his home runs, strikeouts,
nothing in between. The analytics in football appear in the

(01:20:02):
front office to be saying, you know, move guys, get
offensive guys. Receivers are worth more, defensive players worth less.
I don't think it's good or it's bad. I think
it's the reality of the NFL. So you're seeing it.
Minka Fitzpatrick, Jamal Adams, Camille mac Jadeveon Clowney. These are
great players, great players, all defense. You just move on.

(01:20:23):
Plus college football, I've never seen this many good quarterbacks.
I've never seen this many good wide receivers. I just
looked at a mock draft for next year. It's like
five more receivers around the first round. It's incredible. The
kids these days, man, they know where the money in
the fames at outside on the perimeter. Maybe that's why
the game's are changing. Hour three next one more Herd.

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I do think I told you this last weekend at
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Duos in the NBA, because not just the best duos
in the NBA, but what's left, what are the best dudas.
I think we have the best hair tannem in broadcasting today,
you would stone your hair. Does you have to get
a hair cut every week? It's unbelievable. It's incredb my nails.

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My nails and my hair grow like crazy. I just
did my nails like Wednesday. You need to cut them again.
Taking your vitamins not really, I take I've been free
basing zinc for the last six months because everybody told
me that would make me healthier if I got something. Well,
I don't know what it is. My hair and my
nails drove no idea. I think it's a good thing. Yeah,

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often you get your hair cut. That's not that's not
a thing for women? Would I mean? Not often do
I get my hair cut? I get my haircut, not
offen like three times, five times? How often you get
your haircut? I mean haircuts don't work like that for women?
What time out? What? Yeah, I don't have to get

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lined up? We don't get hair cuts. How what do
you do if I have If I had like a
pixie cut or like a really short haircut, then I
would get haircut six seven months ago? Maybe strip clubs
serve breakfast and women don't get haircuts. No, women with
short hair get haircuts like that, have to keep it short.

(01:22:33):
What's happening? What's happening? What do you think women need
haircuts for like hair grows? Yeah, but I mean if
you do, you want to keep it at like a
specific length, like we get our haircuts to keep like
to get rid of dead ends and to like to
shape it. I don't even you guys are playing for
these are you guys are just doing stuff to be No,

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I do, I don't know what you're talking. I cannot
be the only guy in America that doesn't know this.
You you get a haircut every seven months, I mean
I probably should get it trim, just like keep it healthy,
keep the ends healthy. But it's not like I've never
once talked about my ends because you have short hair.
You have short hair like you don't have defensive ends.

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Now you are learning a lot today. Oh my god,
shake joints and haircuts like some pancakes and the lab
on a Monday's start. Unavailable to me an hour ago
until an hour ago pancakes and a lap dand okay,
Nick Swisher in fifteen minutes. My bosses must love to
really gone off the rails top NBA duos in the bubble.

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But let's start with a big news. And it was exciting.
It was it was between baseball and this. It was
a great weekend. Big NFL news this weekend. Seahawks trade
two first round picks for Pro Bowl safety Jets. Jamal
Adams I felt it was kind of desperate. It felt
like Seattle was saying, all right, we've we've done such
a poor job building our offensive and defensive lines. We've
we've kind of whipped on so many first round picks.

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Let's just get a big headline, a big star, and
maybe it can cover our ars. Listen, I know he's expensive.
I don't want to pay a ton for a safety,
but he is great. I wouldn't give up two first
rounds and a third and a starter for a safety.
But Seattle does this if they believe he gets us
to a super Bowl. Now, Honey Badger was really valuable
to the Chiefs this year. I mean, he's a guy

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that really solved the back end of their defense. And
Jamal Adams plays a lot like him. Seattle's gonna be
very good this year. I'm not disputing that. But Seattle
only won one game last year all year by more
than one score. I'm gonna throw something up if you
think Seattle is a super Bowl team. They had eleven
one position possession wins. That doesn't happen. That's just insane.

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That'll never happen again. And whereas San Francisco the Niners
outscored people by one hundred and sixty nine points, Baltimore
outscored people by two hundred and forty nine points, Seattle
outscored people all year by seven points. Folks, they got
holes on this roster, namely their offensive and defensive lines.

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And Jamal Adams is gonna it's a big swing. It's
a big swing, and it's also a big salary cap
eating swing. And listen, I kind of feel like Seattle's
trying to make up ground for a lot of bad
picks in the first round and allowing their offensive and
defensive lines to a road got in division. Just stand

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their division. San Francisco is so much better than Seattle
on the O line and defense line. It's not even close.
It's not even close. And Seattle knows it. We are
at such a deficit O line and D line, we
gotta make it up now this morning. Would I rather
be the Seahawks than the Jets, Of course I would.
I've got Russell Wilson, I got Pete Carroll and Jamal Adams.

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Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson are playmakers in their prime.
So yes, I'd rather be the Seahawks than the Jets
this morning. But that's not the Seahawks standard being better
than the New York Jets. That's not their standard. Their
standard is Kansas City, Andy Reiden, Mahomes. Their standards Baltimore
Lamar and John Harbaugh, and that secondary. Their standard is

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the Saints. Their standard is the Niners, and all four
of those teams I think not only have better online
and D line play and better overall rosters and fewer holes,
but they also have better vision. I had an NFL
exact Say to me, after this past draft, a really
good one, what the hell are they doing up there?

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I mean, last year at this time they went and
got Jadavian Clowney headline star. Wow, where's that a year later?
Where's that one a year later? I just don't see
the vision with Seattle. You know what I see. I
see Russell Wilson, and Russell Wilson's unbelievable. And Russell Wilson

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makes bad draft picks and a bad online and an
average D line and lack of vision work. And I
like Pete Carroll, but right now I think he has
too much power in the organization. I think he's the
one that makes these moves and really gets this stuff done.
Seattle has nett a meaningful playoff win in five years. Yes,

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yes they beat Carson Wentz less Philly last year. Yes
they beat the Lions. Yes they were outplayed by Minnesota.
Who's kicker missed the chip shot? This is a lot
of money, and I don't know the vision. And they
got bigger issues, and safety isn't one of them. It's
a big swing, a huge swing, but it feels to

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me like it's trying to cover up other issues in
the organization. Now, let's take it from a Jets perspective.
The Jets will not be as good this year. Jamal
Adams is a really good football player. But the simplest
thing I can say about this is that Joe Douglas,
the general manager of the Jets, had a very good Saturday.

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I had an NFL exec say, listen, man. The Steelers
got Minka Fitzpatrick for one first rounder, and we know
the Steelers are well run. Seattle spent two first rounders
and a third and a starting safety. Joe Douglas had
a very good Saturday for the Jets. But Joe Douglas
is in a really bad spot. He's just tearing down

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from the studs the organization to rebuild it. He's got
a suboptimal owner. He's replacing a GM that was incompetent.
He's got a head coach that appears to be, I
don't know, not communicating with his star players. The Jets
are in a weird spot. Joe Douglas is their life preserver,

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highly respected. Usually, here's the way it works. You do
what Baltimore, Kansas City's doing. You draft this young quarterback,
you pay him nutting for three or four years, and
because of that, you can give Lamar all sorts of
free agent help and Mahal all sorts of help, and
all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, young quarterback,
I'm paying him nothing. He's got nothing but stars around him.

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That's what the Jets would like to do, because they're
not paying Sam normal anything. Instead, Joe Douglas has to
come in and undo all of it and let go
to star players to get draft picks because the owners
aren't very good, the coach doesn't communicate, and the previous
GM was a disaster. I told you this after last
the draft with the previous GM, I had a GM

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call me and say, it's the worst draft I've ever seen.
He goes after the first pick. It made no sense.
That was two drafts ago. When the Jets didn't fire
him before the draft. They let him do the draft,
which was awful. Then they fired him a couple of
weeks later. What so, Joe Douglas had a great Saturday,
I believe, But the standard for the Jets now, they're

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not close to the Bill's roster. They're not as good
as the Patriots, and I don't think by about week
seven or eight they're gonna be as good as the
the Dolphins. With two of starting, it's a fourth place team.
The playbook in the NFL is simple, draft your quarterback
in the first round and when you're not paying him,

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surrounding with a bunch of free agents. That got Russell
Wilson a super Bowl. It just got Patrick Mahomes a
super Bowl. This year. I'm picking against Lamar Jackson a
super Bowl and instead Sam Darnold. They got rid of
a star because they just got to tear this down
to the studs start over, and this was the first process.
I like Jamal Adams. He's really good, and I do

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think he fits Seattle way better than the Jets because
Seattle's got leadership and the Jets don't. So for one
guy with the Jets, it was a great Saturday, Joe Douglas.
He's terrific. He got a ton for a safety and
it gives them some openings now because Lavian Bell's probably
gone in a year and CJ. Moseley couple more years.
You're not paying anybody, but it is there now. The

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Jets are one of the seven or eight teams in
the NFL. You can just you can just take him
and say, okay, let's don't worry about them in the
Super Bowl and generating the NFL. There's only three or
four of those. There's about eight, and the Jets are
one of them. All right around the corner, Nick Swisher,
Baseball is back officially, and I watched a ton of
it this weekend. Be sure to catch live editions of

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We've been talking about haircuts all day. So Lou Williams
got in trouble because he left the NBA and he

(01:31:39):
ended up at a strip club ordering wings. And I
didn't know strip clubs had great food. And then Joy
told me you can eat breakfast at a strip club
and they're opening around the clock. No idea. And then
a half hour ago Joy told me she cuts her
hair once a year. We like twice or three times.
I mean, I'm actually getting my haircut today. Ironically, that
you're asking it. So let's go to the best hair
in the business, Nick Swisher, who's got unbelievable hair. Now,

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let me ask you. Tell the audience, how often do
you get that beautiful crop cut? You got to stay
in the chair calling once a week, once every seven
to ten days. Maybe that's it. You've got to stay
in the chair. Okay, all right, we got that. We're
doing the haircut questions from now on. Okay. So I
sat and watched a lot of baseball this weekend. First
of all, here's what I loved. Baseball's got this new rule.

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They're playing around with it. They tried it in the minors.
You go to extra innings, you put a guy on
second base. So and it worked four for four this weekend.
As a player, do you think it's cheesy or hurting
the game? How does it land for you? I don't know.
I mean from not being a player. The only advice
that I could say is that this is twenty twenty.

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This is a crazy year. We have to be fluid
with the things that are happening, right, so let's try
different things. We've got the expanded rosters this year, expanded playoffs.
I think we're trying a lot of things to move
our game forward. But at the end of the day,
there's a lot of strategicy that goes into that. Right
do you walk the next battern? Do you set up
the double play? Because the last thing we need right
now in a shortened season, with everything that's happening, is

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for an extraating game to go seventeen any right, next
thing you know, they're calling up the entire taxi squad
trying to do whatever they can to get guys on
the field. This is a year where we have to
think of health first, and I definitely think this definitely
saves a lot of pitcher's arms by putting that runner
on second base. So I watched a lot of Dodgers
this weekend. I knocked open a corona and I sat
and watched Dodgers Giants, and the Dodgers lineup is unbelievable.

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It's MVPs, it's talent, it's thirty jacks, it's just nothing.
It's guys you can move around, but Kershaw's out, and
you know, and then I watched them against the Giants,
and the Giants got really good pitching this weekend in
a couple of games, and you look up and you're like,
Dodgers should have dominated this series and San Francisco's walking
out with a winner. Two. So I look at Kershaw

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and I think to myself, Okay, Nick, nick, question, you're
joining us at the innings. Is the injury a problem
for the Dodgers. Yeah, I definitely think it's something you're
gonna have to pay attention to. I mean, just look
at Corey Kluber right with the Texas Rangers. He comes
out after the first inning. Right, that was that one
guy that you expected to be there the entire season.
The one thing I could say about Clayton is he's

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been in this position before. It seems every year we
go back to a little low back injury that he
has to take care of and get himself right. So
is this something that I am super worried about. No,
But is this something that Clayton's gonna have to hurdle
through to help his team get to the World Series?
One hundred percent, Because I don't think if you have
a Clayton Kershaw, the Dodgers win the World Series. But

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with a healthy Clayton Kershaw, he's still got what he's got, man,
There's no doubt about it. He's thrown a lot of innings,
but he knows how to pitch. And anytime you can
have that guy on the mound for you every fifth
or sixth day, depending on what your rotation is, I'll
take him every time. The Dodgers are an interesting mix
of youth, international players, veterans. It's really and they've got depth.

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Is that the best roster in baseball? Or you like
somebody else? Yeah? I love the Dodgers in the National League,
There's no doubt about it. Come on, come on, Colin,
you know who I'm going for many I need those
band stripes. May the New York Yankees, in my opinion,
have to be the best team in baseball now. At
the beginning of spring training this year, what I've said
that no, because half the roster was hurt. But now

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after spring training two point zero, everybody is healthy. Giancarlo
is back better than ever. He's leaned out, he's comfortably
strong in his legs. Aaron Judge is healthy, he's got
that shoulder plumbed up. Aaron Hicks is back, he's good right,
James Paxton who was banged up with that low back injury.
And they have Garrett cole I don't think there's any
team in baseball that is as deep of a pitching

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staff as the New York Yankees are. And they're also
one of the few teams in baseball that didn't run
out and put all their top prospects on their taxi squad,
because whether they need them or not bringing up a
rookie that has no time in the big leagues or
no understanding of how important things are, they don't have
to go through that. They have the guys that they
know they can win with. And whether it's a shortened

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World Series or not, a World Series is a World Series,
by the way. You know, we see we see some
games postpone today, and I said, in the NFL, you
only have eight road games, and for whatever reason, a
lot of football players get married sooner there they go
to the facility, they work out, they go home, They
go to the facility, work out, they go home, and

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then they only eight times do they go on the road.
Baseball is different. It's more international players. You can get
on some of these bottom teams, a lot of young kids,
prospects twenty two years old. It's a lot of travel.
You go on the road for a place three or
four days. Guys aren't going to go to their hotel room,
you know. And I said the joy I if I
played baseball and I had sixty games in seventy five days,

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come on, Nick, I'd have to go out occasionally. Is
it unrealistic to ask all these players to just protocols, discipline,
never leave your hotel room. It's hard. I mean, I
was hearing a lot of the things that were being
said earlier today, saying why would they even try the season?
They knew this wasn't gonna work if they didn't have
a bubble, And you got to give the NBA credit,

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They've done a heck of a job of keeping this
virus outside of their bubble. That's the one thing that
I think baseball understood going into the season that that's
the reason why there's sixty man taxi squads, that's the
reason why the rosters are as much as they are.
So if there is a rash of eight to ten guys,
that might be a quarantine for two weeks. I mean
two weeks worth of games. This season is twenty one

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percent of the season. So I think whatever team has health,
whether it's virus or whether it's injury related, I think
the team that can stay the healthiest and keep their
guys in check the best. Listen man, At the end
of the day, it's hard to do right. These guys
have families, and that's exactly you want them to go
home healthy to their families every night. Believe me, I
love sports just as much as everybody else does. But

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if we put these guys at risk, to take any
of these viruses back to their home, to their families,
to their loved ones, anything like that, the last thing
we would want to happen. I'm want to ask you
about two players so I can remember when I'm a
kid and I'm watching Dave Winfield play and Dave win
but but but he looked awesome. He could have played

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in the NBA, the NFA. He looked like a tight end.
And and then there's Mookie Betts. He's not he's not
a physical stature, he's not he's not Aaron Judge. And
everybody's telling me, Mookie Bets is it could be the
best player in baseball. So what is it with him?
Because there are players that you look at and you're like, okay,

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I mean I can watch football basketball. Lebron is just
bigger than all the dudes. What is it about Mookie Bets?
Is it hand eye, is it reactions? Athleticism? What makes
him maybe the best player in baseball? I think it's
all those things you just said calling right there. I mean,
I love me some Mookie Bets just as much as
anybody else. And to be able to have him and
Cody Bellinger in the same lineup, wow, I mean that's

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almost unheard of back to you know, both MVP winners
in the same lineup. I mean, that's impressive. But I
think the one thing of Mookie has is you got
to appreciate the way he handles his business right. He
always does things the right way. He loves the game,
he loves his team. I don't know whether it's you know,
strong wrist, hand I maybe it's that it factor that
he has that other people don't. But every time he

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takes that field, he's one of those guys, as my
man Dee Tray Dontrelle Willis would say, I'd pay money
to go see he's one of those guys that could
transcend the game both on and off the field. And
let's be honest, man, this guy's probably an athlete. Everything
he does, he's I don't know how many three hundred
bowling games he's got. I'm sure he's probably great at
everything he does. But to be able to watch that
man on the field each and every day, man, it's

(01:39:38):
a blessing for us all. Now let's talk about size.
John Carlos Stanton for the Yankees. Now they bring him in.
Last year, I didn't really get it because they had
Aaron Judge and he was basically free by Yankee standard.
John Carlos Stanton offers a lot of the same tools,
but was highly expensive and the Marlins got rid of
the contract. What do you expect. He looks a little

(01:39:59):
different than yere Oh, I mean, how good does he look? Right?
I mean last year I think we saw you know,
I mean the last couple of years. He's been kind
of hit with that injury bug a little bit. But
I don't know what he did, man, during spring training
and spring training two point zero. But all of a
sudden he came back. He's leaner, he looks taller than
what he was, and all of a sudden he's hitting

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more BCD baseballs further than it looks like he ever
has in his life. He's you know, you got to
remember as an athlete, and as those years wear and
tear on the body, the lighter you are, the better
you feel. Sometimes from a guy that had knee injuries, Well,
one pound on your belly is worth three pounds on
your knees. So you got to remember, man, Jean Carlo
coming back, lean, trim and being the guy Yankee fans

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always knew he could be. He's gonna be so much
fun to watch him in the future. Man, he's healthy.
The knee is healthy, no knee breaks, no, none of that.
And dude, he's catching those handoffs coming down the third
base line hopefully every day for the Yankees. What is
that again? So one, what is that pound in your
belly on your knee? You say that again? Yeah, one
pound on your body is three pounds on your knees

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is once you start running, right, that extra weight, you know,
compounds on your knees did for Jean Carler to come
back all trimmed up the way he is. Man could
not be more proud of him. Man, he's gonna have
a great season. That should was that? Nick Swishers? You
make that up? Or is that like a real thing? No?
I don't know. It sounded good when I said it, man,
I was just rover could I thought the doctor told
me that I'm for it. It sounds right, doesn't it? Absolutely?

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Rest of my life, that's all. I'm my thing about
that line, the great Nick Swisher. I love you brother,
good seeing you. I love you. Call it enjoy, take
it easy, guys, good to see y'all. All right, Nick Swisher,
he is just all the time. It sounds right. It
does sound sounds brilliant. It's like doctor Oz would say
that eat a donut three pounds on your knees. You're like,
all right, no more donuts, and literally sounded like the

(01:41:46):
smartest thing I've ever earned in medicine. I was like,
you know, because a lot of times what you go
to a doctor's office, it's way too heady, Matthew, just
say like give us something that hurts that. Yeah, Like
my dentist one time said that, he said, keep your
mouth clean because your stomach in your mouth are connected.
So tell your kids brush your teeth more, less stomach issues.
And I was like, well that's simple. I'll remember that

(01:42:07):
the rest of my life. Yeah. Like sometime Nick who
knew Nick Swisher was a PhD And listen to New
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This is the herd Line News. Well. NBA teams have
only had a few weeks back together in the bubble

(01:42:48):
to get ready for the rest of the season, and
Luca Danchez doesn't think that the maps will be one
hundred percent in time for their first game. I don't
think we're gonna be in the best, you know, in
the best way on the first game. You know, we
just got a keep building it, you know. I think
when in most marriage the playoffs, but you know, we
want to win the whole day games, so I think

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we're gonna be ready. They beat the Lakers one O eight,
one or four and their first scrimmage and lost the Pacers.
I didn't think the basketball one eleven the second scrimmage.
I didn't think I didn't think the basketball was bad
at all. I watched a little the Pacers game. It's okay,
basketball is not bad. I mean it looks like preseason basketball.
You're you're getting back to it. I think that everyone
is kind of playing with a little more intensity then
you would see in a scrimmage game of preseason game

(01:43:33):
because they need to, you know, be able to ratchet
it up and a few days once the games start.
But he's right, I mean, nobody's gonna be at one
hundred percent. They're certainly not going to be where they
were when the season ended. But the MAVs are seventh
in the West. They have a seven game lead on
the Grizzlies at the eighth seed. Let me tell you
something the difference between the East and West. The Mavericks
are the seventh team in the West, and they are

(01:43:54):
they can when they start shooting well, they can be
a huge matchup problem. That tells you the West. The
Dallas Mark Cuban must love this team. I mean, Dirt
got old. You were trying to find you know, Dirt
got you a title, but Dirk was aging and you're like,
you draft a bunch of guys and you're looking for
then you land Luca and you own the team, and
you know for the next twelve He'll never let Luca go.
For the next twelve years, I can go to the

(01:44:16):
arena f I'm Mark Cuban, who by the way, it
was in town this weekend driving a convertible, and you know,
for the next twelve years, I get twenty five a
night from that guy. That's a great feeling in the NBA. Now.
It just happens when you when you run the basketball
side of things well and you make good decisions for
the future that you know to build an organization and
culture and move forward as guys get older. So Mark
Cuban was in a convertible this weekend. Why why are

(01:44:37):
you telling these were his son? It was good. He
wasn't doing anything. It wouldn't eat waffles at a strip house,
you would know. I don't think that they do that
here in LA. So the Chargers drafted Justin Herbert this year,
but don't have to start him right away with Tyra
Taylor also on the roster. Head coach Anthony Lynn says
the team did select Herbert to one day be the

(01:44:58):
franchise quarterback, but it isn't gonna put timetable on it.
He also says he has a lot of familiarity with Tyrod,
but no position, including the starting quarterback, is final until
they get to training camp. Well, I never believe that.
Give me a break. Generally, I don't believe that in
this situation. I do think Tyrod is going to be
the starter. Like Where's Miami, I think is very up

(01:45:19):
in the air, depending on what too it looks all.
But you know I've told you this. If you really
look at Tyrod's numbers, considering where he's been, he's actually
very efficient. I get a lot of efficiency with him.
He's completely reliable. He is a starting quarterback, and Lynn
coached him for two years in Buffalo and last year
obviously with the Charger, So he's already in this system,
and particularly for this year with so much uncertainty, having

(01:45:41):
someone who's already in the system, ready to go, who
you can rely on, is going to be huge. There's
not a real rush to me with Jusin Herbert, Where's
two others a little bit more of a star factor.
They kind of had things rolling a little bit last
year towards the end of the season, So I think
there's a little bit more urgency with two than there
is with Justin. Also, think to a play in the SEC,
and he's played more big games. He's been great in

(01:46:02):
those games. Herbert is we'll see. Also, I mean you
feel comfortable with Tyrode, whereas Ryan Fitzpatrick, it's like he's
just he's a really hot and cold right. I could
guarante if you told me Tyrod did not throw a
pick in September, I'd be like, oh, I could totally
see that. With Ryan Fitzpatrick. If you told me had
a four touchdown game in a four pick game, I'd
be like, I can see that. Fitzpatrick's on his good days.

(01:46:25):
Ryan Fitzpatrick's bizarrely good, right, But then it drops up.
That's the difference. As a GM once told me, the
difference between the starter and a backup in many cases
is the consistency back. A lot of these backups have
quarters and halves, but the starters. You don't get this.
I don't think we see justusin Herbert at all this year.
Wouldn't shock me unless he's otherworldly in camp to the

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point where it's just undeniable, don't I don't see it happening,
which I don't think is a bad thing. Him sitting
a year maybe two behind Tyrod is actually beneficial for him,
especially this year. So the first player has the Sides
opt out of the twenty twenty NFL season. Kind of
a unique situation, though, Chief's guard Laurent DuVernay Tardif and
elnced he will not play this year. He is the
only active player with a medical doctorate, and he explained

(01:47:09):
his decision on social media, saying, in part, being at
the front line during this offseason has given me a
different perspective on this pandemic and the stress that puts
on individuals in our healthcare system. I cannot allow myself
to potentially transmit the virus in our community simply to
play the sport that I love. If I'm the take risks,
I will do it caring for patients. He's played for
the Chiefs since twenty fourteen, when he was drafted by them.

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He's been working as an orderly at a long term
day a long term care facility near his hometown of Montreal,
Quebec during the pandemic. He also thank the Chiefs further
support and understanding. As Connadie readings yes, yeah, it's from Montreal.
So he's he's a doctor and he's been working as
a doctor at a long term care facility during the

(01:47:51):
pandemic and he wants to stay there and continue caring
for patients and is opting out of this. And there's
the Ravens had not offensive line er smart. The Ravens
have an offensive lineman who's a math genius. I forget
his name, Alexel he was. He was literally a math genius,
genius like m I T level. He's offensive lineman. You
don't want to get in these uh you don't want

(01:48:11):
to go on Twitter and starts sparing with these, joy
with them. Now. I think this is I think this
is very admirable with him. I mean, he's obviously been
working through the pandemic helping helping patients, and you know,
this is what he feels comfortable doing rather than coming
back next year. The Chiefs has been super supportive of him.
So hopefully we're all looking forward to this eventually ending
and he'll rejoin the team. But for this year, he's

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gonna be opting out, is it. John Herschel he did
retire and he was a math whiz. I mean, I'm
a genius. I am not a math whiz. He okay,
he had a PhD from M I T. I mean,
you gotta be kidding me. NFL offensive lineman a PhD
from M I T actually impressed. My son once told me, goes, Dad,

(01:48:54):
I want to go to M I T. And I'm like,
your dad's just portion radio ho. You didn't encourage him
to go to MT. I didn't discourage him. I just
said you shouldn't lower your standards. I said, I'm a sportscaster.
You can't end up at MIT. It's not what we do.
And he goes, You said your dad was a doctor,
and I'm like, my dad was smart, but a lot
of that stuff. Maybe he's just like skipped. Well he's

(01:49:17):
very tech. You're very smart. Can I'm not saying no.
But my son, he's got all these dreams and I've
crushed all of them. I've said, listen, there's a community
college around the corner, and we'll get you through and
then you can go waffles over Experiment Rhino and there'll
be quite a life for you. It's a good life,
all right. Joey the news. Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by. The Herd line. Okay, it's interesting

(01:49:39):
because we got all these teams. Now we were talking
about the best duos in the NBA and most of
us know it, but some of these duos are not
in the bubble. All rank one through ten. My favorite
duos in the bubble. I like one more than a
lot of people, and I'm not high on another. And
you're gonna crush me for it, but that's okay. That's
what we do. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter n A Empacific. All right, Thursday.

(01:50:01):
I was gonna take Friday off and then I realized
the NBA starts Thursday. Can't do that, So the NBA
resumes Friday. Cross your fingers. It feels good. La Times
put out an article today about how you know Lebron
and a d are the best duo in the NBA,
and I thought, you know, we look at the bubble duos,
and now that we've got you know, we've got a
real set of games to look at. Who were the

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best duos? Not the two most talented players, but who
were the best duos in the NBA this year? So
let's go ten through one. Number ten I'm gonna go
Rudy Gobert Donovan Mitchell and the reason I would say
it's the best defensive duo. Gobert is one of the
great defensive players gonna league. Donovan Mitchell at Louisville was
a better defensive player before an offensive star. They've played

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over sixteen hundred minutes together, that second most of any
duo in the bubble, and they have outscored opponents when
those two are on the floor by six a game.
Probably the best defensive duo. Gobert is a why only
underrated player if you watch the Jazz. He gives them
so many advantages defensively. They can get out on the break,

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on the wings. I would say they're number ten, number nine.
I'll go, how about Miami here, Jimmy Butler and Bam.
And let's be honest. Butler's had a great year. Now
we thought he was going down there and he thought, oh,
it's Jimmy Butler. He didn't get along with people. Career
high and rebounds a game and assists a game and
averaging over nine free throws a game. Now he's athletic

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and he gets to the line and he gets fouled,
and when Bam and Butler on the floor. A little
less effective defensively, but they score five point five points
more than their opponents. So they're number nine, and I'm
shocked they're in here number eight total offense. But Damian
Lillard and Steve J. McCullum not a ton of defense,

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the opposite of Utah. Damian's averaging twenty nine points a game.
I think, outside of Steph Curry, he's the best shooter
in the game. So I think because Steph Curry's not here,
Dame's the greatest shooter in the bubble. He's an all
time offensive threat, really unlimited range. I could make the
argument he and Steph are the only two guys in
the league shoot from anywhere. CJ. McCollum similarly, very good

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offensive player, they're not a great defensive backcourt. In fact,
they're the only duo in the top ten that has
a sub five hundred record in games in which they
both played. They're close to five hundred. Don't give you
a lot in the d ND, but great scores. Number
seven Joel M. Bead and Ben Simmons. Now everybody loves
these guys. Like in talent, you'd put them one or
two here's the problem. Their net rating and offensive rating

(01:52:36):
has gone down in each of their last three seasons together.
So even though I think Simmons is a tremendous young
defensive player and Mbad can man, yet down low, something's
not working and it's not getting better. And I think
it's fairly obvious. Ben Simmons needs an open lane to
be totally effective, and Mbiad's really good in the lane.

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So I don't think they work and it's getting slightly
worse every year. But in terms of talent, you could
make them number one both physically in their prime unbelievable talent.
Number six Luca Donzich and Kris Stops Porzingis, so teams
were outscored by almost seven points when these two were

(01:53:16):
on the floor. Lucas unbelievable. He has leads the NBA
fourteen triple doubles at twenty years old, makes no sense.
He was at sixteen years old was a star in
the European League and those were older players. So he
comes in very mature handles both ends of the floor.

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And Porzingis was on fire before the bubble. He was
averaging twenty five and eleven in his last fifteen games,
so he and Luca, unlike the sixers, Luca and Porzingis
played their best together in the last fifteen games. Very
interesting team in the bubble. Number five Janis and Chris Middleton.

(01:53:59):
Now it's going to be lower than everybody thinks because
they have a very good defensive rating. Here's my concern
about this. The Bucks are nine and one without Chris
Middleton this season, so this feels like one great player
and a player sometimes Milwaukee is fine without and who
let them down in the postseason. But you can't deny

(01:54:19):
what Janis brings to the table. Best defensive player in
the league along with Gobert in the middle anyway, and
they have the highest two plus minus stats in the
NBA this year. That's confusing for our audience, but they're
really good at it. Number four Yokich and Jamal Murray
for Denver. Both scorers, both passers. Denver outscored opponents by

(01:54:42):
seven points per one hundred possessions with Yoki and Jamal
Murray on the floor second consecutive season as the only
duo with a hundred plus assists to each other. My
concern with Denver is they're real young. That's generally not
great in the postseason. And if one of these two
is off Jamal Murray is an off night, who's my

(01:55:05):
third guy, who can I guarantee can drop me twenty four?
Whereas the Celtics have several players can do that. I
worry if Jamal Murray is off. What do I get
but a very interesting bubble team, a lot of energy
can play, nine guys well coached and two players that
work really well together. Number three, I think these guys
are undervalued Jason Tatum and Kemba Walker. Kemba Walker has

(01:55:27):
been a great pro forever, but he played in Charlotte
and nobody watches their games. You know, it's more of
a NASCAR football college basketball market. Tatum was torrid before
the break. Jason Tatum has become a top six player
in the NBA. Was averaging twenty nine nine a game
since the All Star break. So whatever it was for

(01:55:49):
Jason Tatum, it popped after the Alltar Break. And when
these guys are on the floor together, the Celtics outscored
people by almost eleven and a half points per one
hundred processions. And what I like about Boston even if
one of them struggles, I get some Gordon Hayward, I

(01:56:10):
get some Jaylen Brown. No other team in the league
has four guys that could drop twenty three, and I
wouldn't be surprised, but I think Kemba Walker, this has
been such a great bunch of winners, a winning coach,
a winning culture, a very good player who had to
get a better fit in Boston's been great for him.
Number two Kawhi and Paul George excellent defensive players, two

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of the top five, maybe two of the top three
two way players in the NBA. With Klay Thompson, they
won seventy five percent of their games when they played together.
And you know there's always been this thing that you
know Toronto won a bunch of games without Kawhi, Well,
the Clippers have it. They're six and seven without him,
so as good at and the Clippers are deep and
well coached. These guys already worked together. And remember Kawhi

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chose the Clippers if PAULA George would join him, And
I think one of the reasons is Paul plays a
similar style game, so Kawhi doesn't have to carry the
big defensive load night after night. They add Patrick Beverley,
another guy that can defend the wing. So that's the
second best duo. Number one. Come on, Lebron and Anthony Davis.

(01:57:18):
Now the problem with this duo is who's three? Danny Greene,
I don't trust Kyle Kuzma. Bench isn't very good. Avery
Bradley's out. Now, I know what you're saying. They're one
of two duos that average twenty five plus points a
game this year. The editors Harden in Westbrook, but I
didn't have them in Yeah, where they at. I think

(01:57:39):
they're individual talents. I think they're great individual talents. Well,
I mean all of individual I think I think the
other duos work better together. I think they're great individually.
And Darryl Moray will h DM me today. Now I
couldn't be totally proven wrong. I've said before they're going
totally at least small ball, and they're gonna be two

(01:58:02):
or three matchups. Potentially they're gonna look so tiny on
the floor. But Houston has decided because analytically I never
liked this match. I didn't think it worked. I want
to be proven wrong with Harden and Westbrook, and if
I am, i'll come on the air. When I looked
at all these today, I felt like they worked together,
like Gobert and Donovan Mitchell are tremendous. When I've gone

(01:58:23):
to Utah Jazz games or watch they really work well together,
even though they got a little spat this year. Or
Murray and Yokich work well together. I don't. I think
Harden and Westbrook are talented. I think there's a big
difference between that. But but if I'm proven wrong, I'm
proven wrong. I think that once games start and we
see everything going full speed, it's going to be very interesting.

(01:58:44):
So Thursday, what are the games? Thursday? Let me pull
these up for you, pull these up for me. Today
has been a learning experience for me. I'm gonna learn
more about what teams played Thursday. I don't have it memorized.
I sure Zion plays in Lebron Jazz Pelicans, Clippers Lakers.
Oh boy, that's good. Thursday night, well for us, will
be three thirty pm Jazz Pelicans and not wait for
that and then Clippers Lakers six pm. Isn't it amazing?

(01:59:06):
It's crazy to just say that. Remember, yeah, we saw
the picture of Mark Cuban saw his phone and he
was shocked. But now you look at it and you're like, yeah,
you had to do it. I mean, I loved watching
baseball this weekend. Watched w NBA Sasabrina um ian Escu's
debut Anything what else I watched um I watched the

(01:59:28):
documentary What Wall God? I watched the good documentary Oh
my Lord, I was about this was the XFL, about
the Vince McMahon, Oh to Keeber saw League. Have you
ever met Matt Viscursion. So he was the first announcer
for the XFL, which was that he hate me league. Yes,
the story of it is unbelievable. Matt Riscursions the funniest

(01:59:49):
play by play guy in the history of the business.
He wins the award. There's no second place. He I
was on a plane laughing out loud multiple times. So
he was the first play by pla A guy. And
Vince McMahon wanted him to be like all in like
a wrestling announcer, and Dickie Bersaul is like, no, no, no,
you're a network announcer. If they show showgirls, just don't

(02:00:11):
say anything. And they were in each ear and he's
the play by a play guy. The stories are hard
to believe. Matt Roscursion is so funny on that You've
got to watch it other network, but you got to
watch it.

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