FantasyPros - 12 Draft Picks With MASSIVE UPSIDE You Should Be Targeting in 2025 (Ep. 1603) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, friends that welcome in to Fantasy pros. This
is the Fantasy Football Podcast, and today we have got
massive upside.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
We have got twelve players in fantasy football draft that
you need to be targeting, that have got all the
upside in the world. And joining me on the podcast today,
of course, we've got the great and powerful Pat fitz Morris.
And joining us on the show is mister Joe Dolan,
owner and editor in chief over at Fantasy Points, host
of Football Game Day over on sirius xxim mister Joe Dolan,

(00:31):
how are you, my friend?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm doing well, guys, how about you?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
They're currently maybe pressing our luck a little bit here.
They started demolishing my master bathroom today. I've had a
leak for like three months, just a massive undertaking and
a massive amount out of my wallet. So hopefully the podcast,
or hopefully the takes I have on this podcast are
going to.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Help pay me back at Best Ball later.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
There's always that like universal thing where if like you
are giving a take an upside guy and then all
of a sudden we hear like digit, maybe that'll be
like a warning sign that maybe that's not the guy
we want to Well, we'll take that for either. We'll
go on either one. Pat Uh getting and locking in
these upside players. Did you find it difficult? Because we're
gonna be going through kind of the gambit of higher

(01:18):
end upside guys. We're gonna get some deep plays. This
almost toes the line of the like what's a sleeper
and what's a breakout and what's an upside? What is
your just real quick approach when you were tackling these
massive upside players that we're going to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
I mean, there are a few guys have kind of
felt this way about for the entirety of the offseason,
and a few of these guys have kind of evolved
into sort of new favorites of mine, where just the
last month or so, I've had kind of a rethink
on these guys and maybe like them a little more
or a lot more than I did two months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
So we might have lost some upside over the last
forty eight hours in a big trade that happened in
football where John news Smith, who upside play whatever, you know,
huge season, but his new destination with the Pittsburgh Steelers
has really chopped off at least most of us think
a ton of his fantasy value. Well, the Dolphins are

(02:15):
out there in the market looking for a tight end.
We've all started to speculate who could they bring in
because there's a potential upside if you look at what
John Who did in the Dolphins offense, who could come in,
who could bring that big upside, ladies and gentlemen. Apparently
it's Darren Waller And we got that weird trade that
just went down just as we're recording this. Darren Waller

(02:38):
coming out of retirement and being traded by the Giants
is the titand that goes to the Dolphins. So a
weird place to bring this in talking about Darren Waller
of all guys with upside, but just to touch on
it because this is fresh and new, there's going to
be the big positive takes and the big negative takes.
Mister Joe Dolan, let's start with you. Is there any

(02:58):
actual fantasy relevance? Is there any upside? I'm not talking
massive upside. Is there any upside with Darren Waller returning
and coming back with someone that he had worked with
with a couple of years where he had been very
fantasy relevant going to this Dolphins offense. Is there any
smoke to this fire?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, my first thought when this trade broke was he
foolishly fumbled the Kelsey plumbbag with their divorce and needs
some money. That's why he's coming back. There was a
clip that Graham Barfield from Fantasy Points was throwing around
on Twitter essentially of Darren Waller saying that he knew
he was going to retire in October of twenty twenty

(03:35):
three because the Giants had him run blocking and lining
up at fullback. Maybe a year off has helped his body.
Obviously he's had a lot of injuries. But I just
do not see anything that's going to appeal to me here.
It feels like to me and Guy Patton, you guys
can say this if you disagree, it just feels like
to me that this is going to be a guy

(03:56):
in Darren Waller who other people are going to click
in your draft and they're going to think that they're
pulling a fast one on the entire draft, and ultimately,
I just don't think it's gonna matter. We ran our
projections at Fantasy Points immediately after the trade and he
came out as tight end thirty three. That's somebody who
is barely draftable in a Best Ball eighteen round kind

(04:20):
of underdog style draft. You know your tight end premiums
like FFPC, Sure take a shot. I put in some
claims in my dynasty leagues as well, because the high
end outcome is maybe he produces in the first half
of the season and I can flip him for an asset.
I'm just not expecting that to happen.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Pat, Our resident Siko Andrew Erickson put out a poll,
right does this happen? And said who would you rather
this season? Darren Waller or Kyle Pitts. What do you say, Pat,
where are you at on the Darren Waller stuff? And
how sick is it to click Kyle Pitts is picking
someone over another tight end?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, I have not totally quit on Kyle Pitts
just yet, because he had his last decent season more
recently than Darren Waller did. Like this Darren Waller thing,
to me, feels a lot like the Josh Gordon thing
where people were like chasing the ghost for five years
after his best season, or like his last really good season.
Darren Waller's last really good season was I believe twenty twenty,

(05:16):
So now he's thirty three. You know, I don't know
where he's going to rank in that target pecking order
in Miami. Obviously behind Tyreek Hill, Jalen Wattle, Devon ah Chan,
possibly Malik Washington, or Nick Westbrook a Keene also, so
I'm just like not interested in going there. When I
plugged him into the rankings this morning, I think it

(05:36):
was a tight end forty. So I'm kind of glad
to hear that Joe and the Fantasy Points guys are
in the same general bar ballpark. I think I had
in between, like Tyler Higbe and Ben Sinnett.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, I mean, it's funny that when we were going
through the projections, Chris Wack, who runs the projections for us,
initially had him tight end forty. So it's funny you
mentioned that and he bumped up his value a little
bit just to be like, all right, let's say if
this does work out on some level and we still
only got them to tight end thirty three. Look, here's
the thing. I know, absence makes the heart grow fonder.

(06:10):
But I was out on Darren Waller when he was
traded to the Giants two years ago. Why would I
be in on him now? With the exception that he's
just significantly cheaper or or is perceived to be significantly cheaper.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
And I'd say, ask yourself, would you rather draft Darren
Waller or put one of his rap songs on a
loop on YouTube for one hour? Which decision? And when
you say the rap song, I think that tells you
what you're going.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
With getting my toenails pulled out, you can if.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
You want, I mean, still gonna take that over Waller.
So that's where we're at here. But you guys can
decide in the comments below. Are you drafting Darren Waller
this season? Are you going to jump into that pool?
It's making Kyle Pitt seem a lot better? All right,
we're gonna talk about real upside. That's fake upside. We've
got real upside, twelve players with massive upside, and we
are going to be kind of covering the gambit of
different spots. As I mentioned, we've got a couple players

(06:59):
in each each one of these fine gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Have picked six, so we've got twelve total.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
And if you guys want to check out the ranks
that we'll be referring to, you can go to fantasypros
dot com slash ranks, and you can check out we're
using half PPR on this one. You can check out
all the great stuff that we've got on the ranks,
from full to superflex to Dynasty to have to standard.
Those are the references with all of the amazing rankers
out there creating the expert Consensus ranks. Gentlemen, let's jump

(07:25):
into this. We are starting. These are our early ceiling
picks top seventy five. Overall, you each have got two
players that we're going to be talking about. Joe, we
are going to start with you massive massive upside on whom?
Which player are you picking for the first massive upside?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
So I don't want this to become a dolphin centric
show because I actually could have gone with two dolphins here.
And I also don't want this to misrepresent my actual
feelings of the Miami Dolphins this year. I don't know
what their plan is. I locked in a five unit
bet under eight and a half wins a couple of
months ago, and I don't even I'm more thrilled about

(08:07):
that after this series of trades. But I really like
Devon A.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Han.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
I gotta tell you he is the expert Consensus RB
six he's going in the second round. But with John
new Smith gone, I think there's massive upside for a
Chan in the passing game. One of the things that
we chart at Fantasy Points Data is designed targets.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Devon H.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Chan was one of the leaders in the NFL in
design targets last year before John new Smith had a
significant role in the offense. Last year, he basically garnered
forty percent of the Dolphins targets behind the line of scrimmage.
So we have Devon Achan who had a massive role
in the passing game last year on design targets now

(08:52):
with a design target hound in John new Smith gone.
Devon Hchan had thirty six targets designed specifically for him
last year. That was forty two point four percent of
his targets. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes over
forty design targets this year. He is going to be
a screen master and in the second round of drafts,

(09:12):
especially if I get a running back in the first
Devon A.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Chan's an easy quick for me and Pat.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
One thing I really love too is like as mentioned here,
with the with John Smith leaving, we've seen and a
lot of people are putting it out here.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
You've seen the usage numbers.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
The usage numbers pop when John Who is out and
devon a chan being like a twenty two percent target
share I believe was the number that I saw with John.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Who out is huge. He comes in.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
At ECR six as far as running backs and half
point PPR. Do you think you're going to be I
don't know where you have him relative to this, but
I'm curious about the massive upside that Joe just mentioned
just as a quick take here. And do you think
we're going to see him move up in rank a
little bit as rankers start to put updates in because
of John Oh being gone?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think we will.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
I moved him off a spot I think in my
ranks after this John Whu trade, and I don't know
if I moved him up far enough.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
And so I too him confused about the.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Miami offense and what it's going to look like this year,
and I too bet the under on Miami's win total.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Glad to hear Joe was on that.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
I you know, tried to talk my wife into, you know,
just shoving in the whole college fund.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I'm so confident in that one.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
But yeah, like what I want to see is if
Miami returns the verticality to their passing game because to
a tongue of Bailoa averaged five point seven intended air
yards per past attempt last year. He was at nine
point five two years ago, And is that going to
come back, Like they had this to a preservation plan
in place after he came back from his concussion last

(10:45):
year where so many of the throws were going to
John U and Hn behind ASTs close to the line
of scrimmage. I'd like to think they're going to bring
some of the verticality back and there's going to be
more for Tyree and Jalen Waddle this year. But at
the same time, if it's really only a chan getting

(11:05):
those near the line of scrimmage behind the line of
scrimmage targets and not John Hu anymore, like yeah, that
is a big boost for a chance value.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And I want to mention as well, Joe talked about,
you know, some of the great stuff over at Fantasy Points.
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(11:35):
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Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's a massive and a perfect you know, just move
from devon a channing the massive upside to the massive
upside of what you guys are going to provide over
at Sirius XM and that show. All right, let's jump
into number two on the list. This is Pat Fitzmorris's
first player, and this is a wide receiver. I think
you and I have talked about some but you think
there is a lot more upside versus his wide receiver

(12:41):
thirteen ECR.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, it's T Higgins, and I had kind of a T.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Higgins epiphany a few weeks ago when I was sprucing
up my wide receiver rankings. It just sort of dawned
on me that there are very few receivers with the
sort of upside Higgins has. He's currently what wide receiver thirteen,
as you just mentioned, well, twenty nine overall. Item ranked
as sort of a mid range wide receiver two for
most of the offseason, but now I've got him ranked
as a low end wide receiver one. He's my wide

(13:08):
receiver twelve, number twenty four overall. I think the hesitation
some people have with Higgins is sort of well two prongs. One,
they don't like spending such an early pick on someone
who isn't even the top receiver on his own team.
Obviously on the Bengals. That honor belongs to Jamar Chase two.
Higgins has missed five games each of the last two years.

(13:30):
He's had some hamstring issues over his career. But here's
why t Higgins has such vast upside and why I
think you should proactively draft him. The Cincinnati passing game
is a machine like. The lowest yardage total for Joe
Burrow in any of his full seasons is four and
seventy five yards. Fewest passing touchdowns for Joe Burrow in

(13:51):
any full season thirty four. Now, consider that the Bengals
defense is going to be just.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Wretched this year.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
The one spot where Cincinnati might have a average defensive
personnel is on the edge. But the Bengals somehow find
a way to repel their most talented defensive players. They've
got these contract standoffs with Trey Hendrickson, their star pass rusher,
Shamar Stewart, the pass rusher they drafted in the first round.
The Bengals basically bumble through their relationships with edge rushers

(14:20):
the way I bumbled through my relationships with girls in
high school and college. So the Bengals are probably going
to have to win games thirty eight to thirty five
this year, like they're going to be in shootouts on
a weekly basis. If I see a Bengals game with
a Vegas total below fifty, I am auto betting the over.
I fully expect Joe Burrow to be top three in
pass attempts, and I hope I don't have to sell

(14:40):
anyone on T Higgins being good at football, like nine
yards per target for his career, almost two yards per
route run, ten touchdowns in twelve games last year. Like
I won't waste any more time making that case. The
people consuming this show actually watch football. So and one
last point, A healthy T Higgins is going to put

(15:00):
up big numbers this season, even with Jamar Chase around.
But if Chase, we're going to miss any time. Go
Over the last three years, in the five games Jamar
Chase has missed, T Higgins has had thirty one catches
for five hundred and eleven yards and three touchdowns at
twenty PPR points per game. So let me ask the
two of you. Are you taking Lad McConkie over T

(15:21):
Higgins this year? Like right now, I've Lad rank just
ahead of Tea, but I'm starting to wonder if T
might not be the better pick.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I'm taking McConkie. I really like McConkie. I think he's
a borderline first rounder. He's kind of in the He's
in the Brian Thomas Drake London pocket for me.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
But I'm kind of with.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
You, Pat, and I don't want to step on Welsh's toes.
Here we have Joe Burrow projected to lead the NFL
in passing times at Fantasy Points, and Joe Burrow is
what do we love about him? He throws the ball
to his good receivers. You know he's he's not Sean
Payton getting Lil Jordan Humphrey involved. You know he is
throwing the ball to Higgins. He's throwing the ball to
Chase and occasionally get Sicky and Yohshavas. Every now and again,

(16:01):
I'll make a big play. But now I like Higgins
in this back end of the second early third round.
He's my most clicked receiver in that range. But I
do still have him behind mcconkee. I do.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I'm like, I'm a cry baby if I don't get mconkee,
like in the second round, I just cry. I did
it in the mock. I cry about it. I love
Mcconkeye's route running ability. I think he's going to get
all the targets. He showed off some deep play stuff.
The t Higgins thing is really interesting because that was
kind of what I was asked. I almost spend too
much more time on this, but like you kind of
you brought up the first thing. I think that a

(16:31):
lot of people ask about, and then we didn't. We
kind of glossed over it. It's like, can a number
two on a team have a massive, massive upside when
there is someone blocking regardless of how much the team throws.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's not to say.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Can he be good, Like we know he can be good,
he's massively talented, but can he have the huge, huge
upside where he can keep going further? And I think
that's kind of open for debate.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I will say that.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
You know, it's interesting his final eight games he had
eight touchdowns. Over those eight games, did have three and one.
Twelve games played, he had six times where he had
ten targets or more.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean, that's what you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So I guess just the only thing I want to
throw out, even though you know you praised him a
little bit, Joe is like, do you think a number two.
At the end of the day, not can be good
and not can be massively valuable. But do you think
he can have the upside to jump over number ones?
You know we threw out Lad. You want Lad over him,
but you start to throw out those other names that
t Higgins I think is already priced. I think it
a really appropriate range. Can he jump London? Can he

(17:29):
jump Nico? Cons Can he jump mn rash saying Brown?
Can that happen with a number two?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Well, I mean I think it's I think it's a
viable question, right. I think that's why he's priced where
he is. But I have all of those guys ranked
ahead of him because they are number ones. But again,
not all number twos are created equal, not just in
terms of talent, which t Higgins has where he's he
might be the number one on half the teams in
the NFL at this point, but also opportunity. Again, a

(17:55):
pat hit on all the defensive issues for the Bengals.
We have Joe Burrow projected to lead the NFL in
pass attempts.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
So if the.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Chargers play big, dumb Jim Harbaugh football the way Jim
Jim Harbaugh wants to run, the football. They drafted Amrion
Hampton in the first round. They eschewed offensive playmakers in
last year's draft to take Joel So obviously this is
a team that is built a certain way. And would
I be shocked if T. Higgins as a number two
has more production than Lad McConkie is a number one.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
You know, Drake London, we have a good sample of him,
a small sample, but a good sample of him. With
Michael Pennox, well, what if Michael Pennock's is a small sample.
Not to make a phallic joke here, but what if
his small sample is really small and it ends up
being and it ends up being kind of fool's gold.
So there are some questions there. We know what Joe
Burrow and T Higgins can do.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah, just to piggyback on Joe's point there, that would
be my possible case for T Higgins. And again, right
now I still have Ladd ahead of T Higgins, but
there's no question Ladd is going to have a bigger
target share percentage than T Higgins. Well, but it's just
the percentage of what size pie. With T Higgins, I

(19:05):
think we're talking about a big costco sized pie that
can feed a family of ten, and with you know,
lad McConkie in the way they want to run, it
might be like one of those McDonald's hot apple pies
you get in a little sleeve.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
So you got a lot of innuendo here and a
lot of examples.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I like it all right.

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Massive Upside, we are going back to the wide receivers.
This is ECR Wide Receiver nineteen according to Fantasy Pros

(20:46):
and half PPR mister Joe Dolan, who is your massive
Upside player.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
So she Rice and look, he was a guy we
were pounding the table for a Fantasy points last year
because the evidence at that point showed that she Rice
wasn't going to be suspended for twenty twenty four. A
lot of that coming from my friend Drew Davenport, who
also does phenomenal works as a lawyer, and he's always
analyzing these NFL legal situations part of our job that

(21:12):
we wish we didn't have to do, but unfortunately we do.
And his analysis is it looks like at this point
Rashi Rice's criminal case is going to be pushed to
the end of the twenty twenty five season, if not
into twenty twenty six, and the NFL is not going
to suspend him until we get answers from that case.
And now, if, for she Rice is coming back from

(21:32):
that injury, a serious injury, he would have been honestly
one of the, if not the league winning pick last
year if he didn't get hurt. Now, the injury is
a big deal, there's no doubt about that. But in
thirteen games in his career in which he's played a
run a route on sixty percent or more of the
Chiefs passing plays, he is the equivalent of wide receiver twelve.

(21:53):
You're already getting a discount in ADP, You're getting a
discount and expert consensus ranking. I think he's got an
opportunity to finishes a real wide receiver one with Patrick
Mahomes this year, and I think that Chiefs offense is
going to be more explosive this year than it has
been in recent years. I think he's got a huge
opportunity here to buck the trend ever since Patrick Mahomes

(22:13):
has taken over a starter, and I think even before then,
it's like a ten year run of either Travis Kelcey
or Tyreek Hill leading the Chiefs and targets. I think
that changes this year. I think Rashee Rice gets it done.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
And it's really weird because the team, you know, the
volume kind of moves around and they get to a
lot of players. And the only reason I'm bringing this
up because I think she Rice kind of kind of
bucks that trend, like he is that new volume player.
But what did we do all season?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Pat?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
We talked about Xavier Worthy in the Rashi Rice role.
So Xavier Worthy maybe kind of opens this up.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Do you think Worthy at all caps some.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Of this or do you think Rashi Rice can just
jump back into that role that we've seen before, which
is probably going to be a higher end wide receiver
one if he gets that type of volume, or do
you think Worthy maybe caps him a tiny bit.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've wrestled with this.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
I so when Worthy was smashing late last year and smashing,
I mean he had fifty catches over the Chiefs last
eight games playoffs included, so that's one hundred catch pace.
But yes, that was because he was into that Rashi
Rice role, which no doubt, Rashi Rice is going to
have back now and it's going to be Xavier Worthy

(23:24):
running routesteeper downfield, but he's going to get to get
targeted on some of those routes. Like Xavier Worthy has
shown he's pretty good. So I do feel like we're
not going to get the same Rashi Rice who was
just crushing it and was the wide receiver one or
two in PPR scoring through three weeks last year. Like,

(23:47):
I don't think he's getting that sort of target volume
now that the Xavier Worthy genie.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Is out of the bottle.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
But I do still feel like Rice is going to
be really impactful. So I just don't know where. And
you know, if he a lot of people are talking
him up and he's going to go in the second
round to some drafts, and I don't know if I
want him in the second round, But I do want
some Rashi Rice exposure this year. So it's gonna be
kind of a hard tightrope for me to walk.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I definitely want some exposure to Rashi Rice, because if
we do get that volume back, I mean, nine targets
in two of the first three games last season. You know, first,
give me some first catch bets on a first drive
to Rashi Rice. Just get him the ball, and I
like seven to eight catches per game. I actually really
like this play. But I think worthy is somebody that

(24:35):
is floating out there that is going to make some
people think, all right, player number four, we're going back
to running backs. We've got cr RB fifteen for you, Pat,
who's your upside play.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
It's Kenneth Walker the third and yeah, his ECR forty
first overall. I think that ranking sort of factors in
what most people would consider to be a higher than
average injury risk for Kenneth Walker. He missed six games
last year, miss two games the year before that. I
have Walker ranked RB fourteen thirty six overall, so I'm
not way above consensus, but I don't know right now.

(25:09):
I've Kenneth Walker ranked right below Breze Hall, a fellow
member of that twenty twenty two draft class, and I'm
wondering if I should maybe have Walker ranked higher. So
what is it that has to go right for Kenneth
Walker to return? A nice profit on his mid fourth
round cost. Obviously, stay healthy, give us sixteen or seventeen games.
If he does that, I think he's gonna finish as

(25:30):
a top twelve running back. And it's great that we
have Joe here because I'm going to spotlight some of
the great work that people can find it at Joe's
outfit Fantasy Points. Joe's colleague Ryan Heath wrote a really
insightful article last month on rushing scheme fits, and Ryan
pointed out that the Seahawks are switching to primarily an
outside zone running scheme under a new offensive coordinator, Clint Kubiak,

(25:53):
and Kenneth Walker has thrived on outside zone runs throughout
his career. He averages four point five to four yards
per carry on such runs, which is thirteen percent better
than he averages on other types of runs. And in
addition to Clint Kubiak, the Seahawks also hired Rick Dennison
as their running game coordinator. Dennison used to work with
Clint Kubak's dad, Gary in Denver back in the nineties

(26:15):
and two thousands, and the Broncos had some incredible rushing
seasons back then with Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis. Yes,
those guys were great backs, but the Broncos also got
big rushing seasons out of dudes like Rubin Drones, Mike Anderson,
Tatum Bell back when Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison were
working together. So and when Clint Kubiak was the Vikings

(26:38):
OC in twenty twenty one, Dalvin Cook had almost twelve
hundred rushing yards in thirteen games. The scheme just works.
So Walker is getting plugged into a historically successful scheme
that really fits what he does best, get to the
edge and make people miss. And oh, by the way,
Walker also turned into a pretty prolific pass catcher last season,
with a career high forty six catches and only eleven

(27:00):
And so yeah, I think Walker is big time upside
this year.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's a really compelling argument too, just because I think
Walker has fallen for a lot of people in just
to this territory of like disinterest, because like sharbon Ay
is there but this idea of more outside zone running
that literally plays to Ken Walker. So what do you
think about this one, Joe.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Well, he already took all the fantasy points status stuff
that I was going to reference, So let me throw
out let me build on a point that Pat made
there at his improvement as a receiver. Did you know
that Kenneth Walker was fifth in target share among running
backs last year? The only guys who were ahead of
him were Alvin Kamara, all right, Christian McCaffrey, Devon Han
who we just talked about in Brisaw. Those are the

(27:40):
only four running backs ahead of him in target share
last year. So I see a potential bell Cow profile
getting drafted in like the fifth sixth round. He is
my most drafted running back on Underdog. He is going
to continue to be my most drafted running back on Underdog.
He could be your number one if you go wide
receiver heavy early and have kind of a modified it
zero RB. I know there's a big debate about what

(28:03):
actually constitutes zero RB, but I think he could be
a borderline hero RB that you can get for borderline
zero RB price. I love Kenneth Walker this year. This
is the only one. By the way Pat sent the
names that he was considering before the podcast, he said,
if there's any overlap, let me know this was the
guy I was gonna have. So I pivoted a little

(28:23):
bit to Rashi Rice, but I love this Kenneth Walker one.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
I'm really so I stole from Joe, but I have
to send Ryan Heath a royalty check for that.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, that's the trade off fun fact in this as well.
Ken Walker in full PPR is also fifteen at RB,
so there's no bump up, so maybe even a little
bit more value. We're talking about target share in the
passing game. There might be even more upside massive upside
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Speaker 1 (30:26):
We are going to player number five now moving to
our mid breakout. So we're kind of moving down the
ECR ranks here on the overall and Joe, we're going
to start with you. You've got a wide receiver. He
is ECR Wide Receiver thirty five.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Hit us with him.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, so this is like a breakout category. But apparently
the experts and ADP expects this guy to break back
in because Jordan Addison is way underpriced to me over
the last two combined seasons in half PPR on Underdog,
he's the wide receiver twenty. He's wide receiver thirty five
by expert consensus ranking. And look, obviously the concern is

(31:03):
that JJ McCarthy isn't good. Well, what did we know
before last season? We knew Sam Donald wasn't good, or
at least that's what we thought we knew, and then
Jordan Addison comes out and has a fantastic year. Kevin
O'Connell seems to be a quarterback whisperer. We've got great
seasons from Jordan Addison with both with both Kirk Cousins
and Sam Donald, we have great seasons or great games

(31:24):
from him. With the likes of Nick Mullens. You know,
you remember Nick Mullens just airing the but it looks
like he's throwing a water balloon out there, you know,
it's just barely moving and he's thrown for four hundred yards.
I just think this Kevin O'Connell offense is so well
designed that it's essentially quarterback proof. It is the offense
I would pick to go into if I were a

(31:45):
quarterback trying to recoup my value on the free agent market.
I think JJ McCarthy is set up very well, and
I just think Jordan Addison is way too underpriced. The
thirty fifth in the ranking for a guy who's been
the twentieth wide receiver over the last two years. Easy easy,
easy click for me, and an easy stack with JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You know, it kind of reminds me of you know,
that conversation we'll have where you see like two wide receivers,
like wide receivers ranked eighteen and a wide receiver ranked
twenty three, but then the quarterback is like ranked twenty five,
and we're like, hey, by the way, how does the
quarterback value not kind of match up with there? There's
a similar thing going on where most people are talking
about justin Jefferson and he's number two overall player, number

(32:23):
two wide receiver. Maybe in some respects number one, we're
gonna be okay, But Jordan Edison is not getting that
same respect. It's only Justin Jefferson right now. And it's
a really compelling argument that Joe's making as far as
the rank goes, and we're giving the benefit of it
out to Jefferson, but we're not at all to Jordan Edison.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
You know, he Addison can step back significantly and still
be worth his ADP. So, like when you consider that,
like he can have the worst season of his career
and still pay off this ADP, so I agree with you,
and that's why JJ McCarthy. Additionally, if you want to
just throw a little extra analysis in here, it's gonna
be one of my most drafted quarterbacks because he also
has the benefit of being able to run.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Pat Do you have any take on the Jordan Addison
like kind of bringing up that same thing where it's
like Justin Jefferson. I mean, I guess you could also
argue like he's a little quarterback proof, but you see
a pretty big gap between those guys from what he
was scoring to where he's sitting now under JJ McCarthy
and just it really there's a little bit of oddness
to it.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's similar to the T.
Higgins thing where people do sort of have this aversion
to taking the number twos in an offense where the
number one is a great receiver. But like Jordan Addison
is phenomenal in his own right, like a first round pick.
And I know, like his final college season when he
transferred to US, he wasn't great, but as a sophomore

(33:40):
at PIT, I had to look this up. Well, Joe
was talking one hundred catches fourteen games for Addison as
a sophomore at Pit. One hundred catches, fifteen hundred eighty
three yards, seventeen touchdowns. Like this guy was a college star,
and like he has continued to produce at the NFL level,
and I've no doubt he'll eventually get decoupled from Justin

(34:02):
Jefferson and be an alpha receiver somewhere else where. Like
he's going to be a number one at some point,
but still he can give you good numbers as a
number two receiver.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, we're gonna stick with receivers. This is number six
on the upside players that you've got to target Wide
receiver ECR forty three for you, Pat, let's hear.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
It Stefan Diggs, and I've got him at wide receiver
thirty seven. The overall is where there's a bigger difference.
I think in ECR he's won on one. Overall, I've
got him at seventy nine. And I guess there's a
recurring theme with the first few guys on.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
My high upside list. They're all perceived injury risks.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
So Diggs is obviously coming off the torn ACL But
doctor d pak Chona, friend of the show and a
well regarded injury expert, he thinks there's a two thirds
chance that Diggs is going to be good to go
for Week one, and he thinks Diggs will be at
ninety percent of full capacity about a month into the season.
So full capacity. Stefan Diggs has been pretty amazing, like

(34:59):
six straight thousand yard seasons before he got hurt midway
through twenty twenty four, four straight one hundred catch seasons
before last year, an average of just under ten touchdowns
per season over the last three years up until twenty
twenty four. If we get ninety percent of that sort
of production, and we can get it in the ninth
round of drafts, like sign me.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Up especially, Yeah, the ninth round, that's a big important thing.
You could take him as your fourth or fifth receiver
potentially off the board, and could end up working by
week six as your wide receiver two or three. There's
some inherent risk with the injury. Does that shy you
away from there being a lot of upside?

Speaker 7 (35:34):
Joe?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Are you all in on this?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah? I haven't really clicked stuff on Digg's name a
whole lot. My favorite Patriot receiver to draft has actually
been Hunter Henry the tight end. But this is one
where maybe I need to see through my own biases
here because the Patriots receivers have screwed us for so
long since Brady left. But if Drake May takes the
leap that we're expecting, somebody's going to have to come through, right,

(35:56):
And I guess other people have said Kyle Williams is
that guy to Mario Douglas, my guy, Andrew Callahan and
the Boston Herald says Kyle Williams at this point is
way behind Damario Douglas on the food chain. So are
there other names out there? Besides Stefan Diggs. I mean,
I could see Pat's point here. He just hasn't been
a name I've been terribly excited to draft to this point.

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These are the last two this mid territory. This is
actually one of my favorites on this list. This is
a guy that I'm trying to click as much as

(38:04):
possible because of the equity and the upside, and it
kind of lives in a similar Jordan Addison type of world.
So mister Joe Dolan e CR wide receiver forty nine
and a half PPR.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Let's talk about your guy.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
So there is a receiver who's going at the one
two turn who averaged just basically six yards per receiving
per game more than his own teammate who was going
at essentially round ten round eleven. The first receiver is
Drake London. The second is Darnell Mooney. Darnell Mooney averaged

(38:38):
sixty two yards per game last year in games that
Drake London played. London averaged just sixty seven point eight
in that in that same time timeframe. So we're really
expecting Drake London to take a huge leap forward with
Michael Pennix what he showed at the end of last year,
and Darnell Mooney, who was the wide receiver thirty five
last year, to take a significant backwards. And I'm not

(39:01):
sure that should be the case. I actually like both
of these guys, London London at the one two turn. Well,
I've been preferring Brian Thomas Nico Collins, but I see
why people like Drake London there. But I just think
Darnell Mooney's too cheap and because of that cost, I
have been drafting him a lot. You mentioned wide receiver four,
wide receiver five. Man, if he's my wide receiver five
and the best ball draft guys, I might just a

(39:23):
shoe wide receiver until the last two or three rounds
and take some dart throws because I feel like I'm
going to have a really good foundation there.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So Pat, you know, we didn't see Darnell Mooney get
some of that target share early on once Pennix was there,
like you know he was getting before.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
But we've just seen huge big playability.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
We saw some early touchdown equity, and if this team
is going to be comfortable with throwing the ball more
and getting the ball in the air, obviously Bijon and
Drake London are going to get their targets. And I
guess you're kind of a Kyle Pitts guy, but I
just it seems like a foregone conclusion that Darnell Mooney
is going to have like that sneaky wide receiver three
upsid here and he's going as like a wide receiver five.

(40:02):
But that's a little bit of my tick. What do
you think on Darnel Mooney.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
It's a skinny target tree in Atlanta, So you know,
there is room for London, Pits and Mooney to all
return a profit, I think at their current prices. And
if you hate Pitts, like a lot of people do,
then you should really like Mooney. I think what I
like most about Mooney he had a ninety two point
nine percent snapchair last year.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Like he is on the field all the time.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
And like, who of the Falcons added at wide receiver
in the off season, it's gonna be like Ray Ray
McCloud is the number three Again, maybe Nick Nash, an
undrafted free agent who I kind of like, but he's
not going to threaten Mooney's snaphare. And like I really
like Penix and Penix is great at throwing to the boundaries,
like he is already above average compared to all other

(40:51):
starting quarterbacks. That's throwing outside, and like that's where Mooney
does some of his best work.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
So yes, I love this call.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
So you are going to be pairing as we move
into player number eight, where just before we get to
our deep shots, Pat, you're going to be pairing your
stuff on Diggs with a quarterbacks. This is I think
our first quarterback that's in play here. You think there's
massive upside with Drake May. I'm stealing it a little
bit because I kind of already gave that away. But
QB sixteen pretty low on the list, you think, and

(41:21):
we've done a show or two before where you've talked
kind of about Drake May, but you think there's massive
upside at QB sixteen with Drake May.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Yes, I'm going for the Patriots stack here. I've been
beating the Drake May drum like John Bonham all off season.
And look, I know that some of our viewers and
listeners are just coming out of their fantasy hibernations. A
lot of people don't really come out of their caves
for fantasy until right after, right around the fourth of July.
So for those people, I want to reiterate the case

(41:49):
for Drake May and why I consider him to have
such vast upside. I have him at QB eight, and
that is really aggressive. But the quarterbacks with sky high
fantasy upside are almost always the guys who run. So
the thing is that most of the running quarterbacks are
really expensive. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels, Jalen Hurts.

(42:13):
I think Drake May might have as much or almost
as much rushing upside as those guys have, and you
can get him so much cheaper. May started twelve games
as a rookie, but if we exclude Week eighteen, when
he only played one series before he was pulled, May
averaged thirty eight point three rushing yards a game over
a full season, that projects to six hundred and fifty
one rushing yards. I think May could get to eight

(42:35):
hundred rushing yards based on how aggressively he ran in college.
So it's a sophomore at North Carolina, May had six
hundred and ninety eight rushing yards in fourteen games. And
let's not forget the college quarterbacks have their sack yardage
deducted from their rushing yard edge. May lost about two
hundred yards in sacks that year, so he was really
closer to eight hundred and fifty rushing yards in fourteen games.

(42:58):
May had only two rushing touchdowns last year. In two
seasons as a college starter, he had sixteen runs for
touchdowns in twenty six games. I just think there's big
time rushing upside with Drake May, and he was surprisingly
good as a passer last year despite having a terrible
offensive line and terrible wide receivers. The Patriots have upgraded

(43:18):
both of those areas in the offseason, so I think
Drake May is going to give us a QB one
fantasy finish this year.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Joe, it's interesting that there's like a quarterback. Everybody's got
a quarterback that's inside the top ten that is a
running guy. If it's not Drake May, Justin Fields is
the popular one. ECR quarterback fifteen. Caleb Williams would be
another one of those that he's QB twelve. We've seen
some in the top ten. I'm not surprised that Pat
did this. Pat you are the highest ranker in the
world an ECR of Drake May. You are number one

(43:49):
in the rankings, but there are people that are behind you.
What do you think about Drake May, Joe, and what
do you also think about making that bet on any
of these running quarterbacks, Like if you're not a big May,
have you translated or moved it to maybe Justin Fields
is your guy or one of these guys with high
rushing equity.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I've had my fair share of a good bit of
these guys. May has just been one of those guys
I'm in on, but I haven't really had the opportunity
to click his name as much as I would like.
JJ McCarthy, as I had mentioned, has been more that
kind of rushing, upside, middle round guy. But here's another
reason for optimism. Pat mentioned his legs, but I have
numbers on that. So let's look at Drake May. In

(44:28):
his games last year he led, he was second to
only Jaden Daniels. He was even ahead of Jalen Hurts
and Lamar Jackson in rushing yards on scrambles per game,
so meaning non designed rush attempts. He was at thirty
one point three rushing yards per game on scrambles. He
had virtually no role as a designed runner. We had

(44:49):
him charted as averaging point one Fantasy points per game
on design runs, essentially one yard per game on design
runs when he played that is mini school. I already
mentioned my friend Andrew Callahan from the Boston Herald. I
talked to him last week. He told me design runs
are going to be a part of what the Patriots
do with Drake May. They're significant on tap potential there, huge, huge.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So huge upside potential there, especially as people are going
to be pushing up guys like again, I'm coming back
to justin fields. You know, our boy deebro loves justin fields.
He gets pushed up into.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
The top tennis season goes on.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
That's where even more value starts to be created with
a guy like Drake May, where others are starting to
get that push in. Those quarterbacks I mentioned all had
higher ECRs than Drake May, so I like it a lot.
All right, we are now into our deep shots. These
are kind of league winning plays because they're so far out.
We love the upside here and number nine on the list, Joe,

(45:46):
you've picked a tight end ECR twenty one. This guy
is currently so let's hear it.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's Isaiah Likely.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
And look, we just saw Mark Andrews come off a
really inconsistent season. Yes he had eleven touchdown receptions, but
everybody's going to remember what happened in the playoffs, you know,
with the drop on the two point conversion.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
He had some fumbles.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
He had some drops during the regular season. And we
have a really interesting comment from John Harball this offseason.
Here it is this is from Pro Football Talk, which
is probably aggregating it from somewhere else, but nonetheless, Harball,
I want to see him be an All Pro on

(46:27):
Isaiah Likely, That'd be my goal for him. He's capable
of it. Now, look how many tight ends getting drafted
around tight end twenty one have their coach saying they're
capable of being an All Pro? Maybe some lip service
for some of the rookies like a Mason Taylor or
a Terrence Ferguson, but not somebody like Isaiah Likely, who
we have seen flash that potential. Remember he had the

(46:49):
nine catches with for one hundred and eleven yards and
a touchdown in the opener last year again, and then
of course was a massive waiver wire pickup and then
didn't really do anything the rest of the season. What
if that potential shows up a little bit more, and
then you get the advantage of Isaiah Likely in this
offense with a two time MVP and Lamar Jackson. Maybe

(47:10):
you got Mark Andrews taking a step back as he
ages there still isn't the alpha number one receiver here.
I like for Shaan Bateman a lot. I actually like
Zay Flowers a lot at costs this year simply because
they're cheap. But I like Likely at his price way
more than I like Mark Andrews, and I could see
him taking a step forward into being a sixty catch
tight end. Who if you can get him in the

(47:31):
last round of your draft and you get a weekly
starter out of that position. I'm gonna take the gamble
that Mark Andrews maybe takes a little bit of a
step back, give me Isaiah Likely at his pluck.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
These are this is the tight end that you go with,
not like I'm sneaking. I'm gonna take Darren Waller now
because he's with the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Go to Isaiah like a huge, huge upside, And I.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Think a lot of people maybe maybe I'm just underestimating
the average fantasy player, but I think like people are
gonna be like, I'm gonna take darn Waller before Isaiah Likely.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Now, I'm not doing that. That's why I said it.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I think you're going to start having comparisons of even
John ouversus what, like, the Waller stuff is going to
get pretty high up there. I jokingly kind of say it,
but Pat, I know if you want to comment on
the Waller versus Likely, but just overall, what do you
think about taking Likely later in drafts?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Likely by a mile. We just need to get Mark
Andrews out of the way. Ryan Wormley and I were
talking about this the other day because if you look
at the games where Mark Andrews hasn't played, Likely as
numbers in those games, like pro rated projected over a
full season workout to like eight hundred and fifty yards
and eleven touchdowns. So, yes, we just need to get

(48:34):
Mark Andrews out of the way. And you know, maybe
there's room for Likely to be impactful even with Andrews there.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
But if there's some sort of role of reduction or Andrews.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Gets hurt, yeah, likely could absolutely be a league winning type.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Guy, Mark Andrews, Pride of my high school. By the way,
all right, we have gone this entire upside conversation without
a rookie.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
How did we do it? How did we talk about masts?
So side?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Part of the reason is because the rookie prices they're
not super friendly to upside sometimes. But this guy you
are saying is mister Pat fitz Morris wide receiver ECR
fifty three is number ten on the upside plays in
our first rookie of the show.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Luth Burton.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
So I've got him wide receiver fifty, but I've got
him about a round and a half ahead of ECR. Overall,
my question is what if Luther Burdon plays the Amen
Ross Saint Brown.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Role in Ben Johnson's offense.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Like DJ Moore and Roma Duins, they are going to
be primarily outside and I would hope that Luthor Burton
can beat out Alamide's a Kus for the slot role.
Burn is just he is so quick and explosive, absolutely
electric after the catch, and he is surprisingly good contact
balance for a smaller receiver. He didn't have a great
season from Missouri last year, but that was largely because

(49:51):
Missouri quarterback Brady Cook was hurt pretty much all year
wasn't himself. When Burn was a nineteen year old sophomore,
he had eighty three catches, twelve hundred yards and nine
touchdowns in thirteen games playing in the toughest conference in
the country, the SEC. If Luthor Burton is the Bears
primary slot man and things start to click for Caleb Williams,

(50:13):
like Burton could dramatically OutKick his ADP Joe.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Do you think it's if some butts that require Luther
Burden to be a big upside play or do you
think there's a floor for what this offense could create
with those other wide receivers that there's upside regardless, or
do you think if some butts have to be involved.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
I mean, I think there's upside regardless with him, but
I will throw in an if in a butt here.
DJ Moore was just staggeringly productive on designed targets last year,
and that's notable because this is a new offensive staff.
Do they design the same high percentage of targets? Do
they open it up more? Obviously? I think a lot
of that was the coaching staff last year needed to

(50:53):
get easy throws out there for Caleb Williams. So does
Ben Johnson with the with developing Caleb Williams Moore, does
he unlocked DJ Moore to go downfield a little bit
more work outside the way Pat mentioned? And in a
twist of irony, does that mean DJ Moore isn't as
productive for fantasy? He's been a guy I haven't really
been clicking his name as good as I think DJ

(51:15):
Moore is. I felt like he's a little bit overpriced
and I've been pivoting to somebody like Burden who might
take some more of those design targets. As DJ Moore
as the veteran, they trust him to run more difficult routes.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Well, you're about to throw us the deepest of deep
names on this list with upside ECR wide receiver eighty two,
number eleven on our list, Joe Dolan, this is your
last one, so hit us with the deepest of deep
upside names.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Now, everybody thinks the drafting, and I agree, the drafting
of Pat Bryant out of Illinois signals that Sean Payton
still loves that big slot receiver. As a matter of fact,
I think he brought up Marcus Colston's name and Michael
Thomas's name when he talked about Pat Bryant. But what
if Pat Bryant doesn't have that role right away? There's

(52:03):
a second year player out of Utah who I think
might have that role from the offset. His name is
Devon Vley. Now here's the problem with Devon Vley. He's
in his second year in the NFL. But he's going
to be twenty eight this season. So even though he's
in his second year, I'm not telling me this is
some like great dynasty asset, and if he is, you
might want to trade him as soon as he breaks out.

(52:24):
But over the last two years, these are the only
rookies we've charted as having a higher first downs per
route run than Devon Veley. From rookies Puka Nakua, Rashi Rice,
Lad McConkie, Tank Dell, Dontavian Wicks, Malik Neighbors, and Brian
Thomas all Right. Five of those names are going inside

(52:45):
the first two rounds of fantasy drafts. One of them
is not going to play this year, in TANKDLL, and
the other is Dantavian Wicks, who might be one of
the best receivers in football if you could actually catch
the ball, which he just can't do. Davon Veley has
great hands. He's been drawing absolute rave reviews from Broncos
camp longtime Beat writer Troy Rank. Troy Rank this June,

(53:06):
he said he's turning heads and ota is one of
my least favorite phrases, but nonetheless, let's just let's just
give it. He says he appears poised for a breakout season.
Cody Rourke, who covers the Broncos for Mile High Report,
Devon Vley looks like he'll be a pillar player at
wide receiver alongside Courtland Sutton. Noticeably more muscle mass to
him this offseason compared to last year, and the key

(53:27):
he's free. He's an eighteenth round pick on underdog. People
are taking Pat Bryan ahead of him. This is I
just think Devon Valley is poised to be the starting
slot receiver for the Broncos, and I wouldn't be shocked
if he has a Juwan Jennings ish season for them.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Oh you know that just sparked me up? Where you Pat?

Speaker 1 (53:45):
You knew as soon as you heard Juwan Jennings and me,
I just got jumped up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
I love Vele.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
The Broncos offense maddens me though, because.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
They they're like a lower volume Chiefs where it is yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
And you gotta get the you try to got to
hit the chief. Sean Payton guy Alvin Kamara was great
when he was a rookie because he was like an
eleventh round pick.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
So I'm going to take the cheap.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Sean Payton guy because he's always out there trying to
prove to you how smart he is.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Pat, what do you what would be your strategy to
a guy like Vle who's so low ranked. Is it
watch early in, is it your draft at the end
of your draft? Is he a best ball only type
of guy? Is he a guy to put on the
radar as soon as the season goes, Like, how would
you approach someone with it?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
You know, ECR eighty.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Well, in my typical twelve man league with sixteen or
eighteen player rosters, you know, he's probably on the the
speed dial for waiver wire. But I do play in
some leagues that are like sixteen teams twenty rounds where
we draft everyone, and like Valley is an interesting dart
throwback then because yeah, like I wonder about Pat Bryant.

(54:49):
I mean, there's some probably some offensive linemen in the
NFL who run faster than Pat Bryant's and Valley is
a legit like four four seven guy. I want to
say no, Like, Arvin Mims has kind of been my
favorite under the radar Broncos pass catcher guy. But I'm
also resigned to the possibility that Marvin Mimms is just
a designated gadget guy punt return.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, they're different receivers, Yeah, totally right.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Yeah, yeah, Like that's the thing with Vyle. You know
you mentioned Vley, Well, he was a seventh round pick
last year. Well, the reason he was the seventh round
picks because he was twenty seven years old. If he
was twenty two. He's probably a Day two pick.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
And Veley I think had bigger snap shares than Marvin Mims.
Like Marvin Mims, even when he was like kicking butt
at the end of last season and making all these
big plays, he was getting snap shares under fifty percent,
and I think Vele was probably over fifty percent.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
So Vley definitely showed up a couple times on the
Betting Pros Prop show that ericson and I did. I
picked Vley a couple times. He was a fun player
to give with those low low yeah ages, I mean
you're playing with fire a little bit right.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Thirteen and a half yards though, or some of those lines,
and you know, if you sometimes those are the right
lines to target.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I know, give me, give me beginning of the season.
Right now, there's a little betting give me a low
line for Vle to start the season, and let's have
Joe Dolan b right and just absolutely break out with Vle.
All right, Pat, you're gonna take us home with a
former Bronco. Not someone I thought we'd see on this list,
but hey, you know what the usage is potentially going
to be there. This is ECR RB thirty six, but

(56:17):
low in the overall number twelve is who.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
So it's Javante Williams and I am actually slightly behind
ECR on Javante. I have m RB thirty nine. But
I do want some exposure to Javante this season because
the upside case for him is pretty simple, like what
if he still wasn't one hundred percent last year after
that gnarly knee injury in twenty twenty two torn ACL,

(56:42):
torn MCL, and he's finally one hundred percent this year,
Like twenty twenty one does seem like a long time ago,
so it's easy to forget just how exciting Javonte Williams
was as a rookie that year. Twelve hundred yards from
scrimmage and seven touchdowns even though he was splitting work
fifty to fifty with Melvin Gordon, and Javante averaged almost
three and a half yards after contact per carry that season.

(57:05):
He had forty three receptions, so pretty compelling stuff from
him that year. He just wasn't the same guy in
twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four post injury. But
Javante is still only twenty five years old, and it
seems like he's going to get the first crack at
being the league guy for Dallas this year. So if
we get the old Javante, he could give people a
pretty pretty huge return on investment.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I was gonna say real quick, guys, that he's coming
from the school of Todd Gurley. He seems like Javonte Williams,
the school of Todd Gurley, and that you know, he
feels like he's thirty two years old and he's only
twenty five. But I thought this name was going to
be Jaden Blue when I saw cowboys running back in
here for the upside, not Chavante Williams.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
So what do you think, Joe Beck.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Oh, by the way, I actually believe Todd Girl is
younger than Dereck Henry, like in real life. Wow, which
is like, it's kind of amazing. I don't have really
much to add to what Pat said, because obviously this
could be a valuable role if Javonte Williams runs away
with it. But I just the thing that sucks about
Javonte Williams is that we have to talk about him
like he's this scrub, you know. But Pat brought it up.

(58:09):
Remember the war crimes of Nathaniel Hackett when Melvin Gordon
was fumbling every time he touched the ball and he
still couldn't get Javonte Williams on the field, and then
Javonte blew his knee out and they cut Gordon after that,
just like there is there is a world where Javonte
Williams right now, an alternate universe where we're talking about

(58:30):
him being drafted in like the Bejon Robinson range, you know,
like and I don't know, well, I mean, if I
thought we were going to see that, I'd have a
lot more Javonte Williams than I do now. But sometimes
fate is just really cruel to these players.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
It is hard to speak ill of Melvin Gordon. I mean,
I'm wearing a Wisconsin Badger you shirt here, but like, yeah,
remember how anxious everyone was for Melvin Gordon to get
the heck out of the way so Javante could have
that backfield to himself and then gets hurt early the
next season.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
It was very The Broncos have a great history of
Wisconsin running backs.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
You know Monty Ball.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I was, I was in on Monty Ball those years ago.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Man over Monty Ball. We all remember twelve twelve draft
picks with massive upside, just running through them again. Devon
ah chan T Higgins, Rashi, Rice ken Walker, Jordan Addison,
Stefan Diggs, Darnell Mooney, Drake May, Isaiah Likely, Luther Burden,
Devon Vley, and Javonte William Zoser. You're twelve that these

(59:29):
guys have picked out that you gotta be making sure
you're locking into drafts. One of the best in the business,
Joe Doyle with one of the greatest places. I mean,
Fantasy Points is an absolute staple of fantasy pros, owner
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