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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast. It is me Joey P. Joe pis of
BIA brighton early on a Monday morning, looking ahead to
the waiver wire with my good pal Jake Seely from
the Athletic. We're gonna talk about some of the names
that we saw that could help us potentially in Week
eight and we gate certainly a lot of teams won't
be playing, so you're gonna need a lot of help,
a lot of depth. And luckily here Fantasy Pros, we
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have all this depth too because we have Jake Seeley
joining us here on the team, and Jake, I want
to start out first with Bam Knight. I want to
start out with the Cardinals for a moment here talking
about this backfield. It's a player we talked about before
we can get to the actual other names to add in.
But Bam Knight is a guy that we talked about previously.
And it's funny because Jacoby percent under center looks very confident,
played pretty well. Now Eventually Michaeh. Parsons ate him alive.
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But Michael Parsons does that to a lot of quarterbacks,
and credit to him but I was actually on the
Cardinals yesterday, got him on the points there, got him
in the first half as the leader too. Because of
the Green Bay Packers having to wait on the tarmac
for six hours were taking off. They were well behind schedule.
These guys are creatures of habit. They were not in
a good spot. Josh Jacobs was dealing with all sorts
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of issues with his calf and then an illness too.
Eventually the Packers won out. But I want to talk
about who wins out eventually with this backfield, because there's
always this ominous feeling of Trey Benson's return. You have
Michael Carter in this mix, So what do you do
with Bam Knight at this point if he's still out
there on the waiver wire and he can't play him
this week?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I think you still pick him up. But I
think this might be a pickup and see if there's
a needy team out there, like maybe you have more
fab left, maybe you have priority left, and you can
go and get him as a piece because you bring
it up like all those reasons, by kudos to you
for making that bet and having that insight. I actually
didn't see that six hour news I wish I would
have seen it. I would have pulled off some other
things and made some adjustments. You were right to do.
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So it really comes down to what it brought this
up before the show, As I said to you, is like,
who really expects the Cardinals to be in the lead
most of their games, let alone against the Packers? And
you brought up the six hours and I was like,
oh wow, I really wish I would have seen that,
because that's the thing out touched him, that being Bam
Knight out touched him seven to two with the lead,
and then it was nine to six when they were
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neutral or they were slightly behind for a brief part
of the game, so it was still nine to six
Bam Knight. But the idea behind Michael Carter was that
two minute drill passing downs when they're behind, he'll see
more of a fifty to fifty split. And I think
that's the concern, is that coming out of the by
are they going to be in more games where they're
either playing from behind or in a neutral script. And
that's where you get to the fifty to fifty And
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this isn't Chuba Hubbard and Rico Daddle. This isn't going
back to the Defont the Freeman Tevin Coleman days. This
isn't one where you're like, oh, I want to start
both of them as top twenty options. This is get
the heck away while you can. So if you pick
up Bam Knight, if you have them, as you just said,
might be tough to trade during the bye, but you
can think forward to the week after that, because as
you said, Trey Benson's like week eleven ish and if
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he's ready to roll, I mean that just throws both
of them to you can't use either at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, I don't look at Benson as a completely viable
option either. So if you have him and somebody wants
him to trade, who already has parts of the Cardinals backfield,
I would willingly move on because I don't think any
of us know exactly what that's going to look like
by the time we get to the weeks that he
is actually returning for the Cardinals. So let's start with Look,
there's two running backs on this list today that we've
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been talking about in the off season, been talking about
slow burns, and I think a lot of us, including me,
started to run up the white flag last week on them.
The first one is Bishard Smith. I want to talk
about him because now all of a sudden, I'm up
at the flag pole and I'm pulling the flag down,
and once again I'm excited about Bahard Smith. And look rightfully,
so now look it was you know that Las Vegas
came down out of hand real quick. Patrick Mahomes didn't
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play in the fourth quarter. He had fourteen for thirty nine,
but he also had five catches on five targets for
forty two. So let's talk about how Smith might be
used here down the stretch. Because Kareem Hunt is an
older running back, Isaya Pacheco still looks the same. To me,
I feel like he has more yards going up and
down with his feet than he does going forward with
his feet. I don't know if that makes sense to
you at all, but let's talk about Smith here and
his role with the Chiefs going forward.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I think the interesting thing is you brought part of
the concern is that kream Hunt got hurt. So if
cream Hunt is out, this is kind of clears up
one of the issues. But I will say, let's also
temper expectations, because yes, we should be excited, but we
can also potentially go too far for people out there
that might be like, oh I just I saw the
box score. It was so exciting, Like forget the garbage time.
Brashar Smith has Jack McKinnon appeal, but he's not quite
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Jack McKinnon. So because there's two things about him, is
that Brashar Smith didn't see a single pass blocking opportunity,
which shows that they probably don't trust him as such
where they would trust McKinnon as such. And there's limited
goal line us for Smith versus Jack McKinnon. So remember
Jerick McKinnon and he was an RB three with weekly
RB two even there was weeks where he's an RB one.
There was weeks where Jack McKinnon was giving fifteen plus
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touches when they lost like everybody else and they were
down to McKinnon. So I say all to say is
like if cream Hunt is out, Yes, Brashar Smith as
an RB three and half a full point PPR. But
that's where you should temper your expectations. Is that's going
to be his range. If he gets a touchdown, he'll
be inside the top twenty. But this isn't going to
be a complete time share where it's like oh my god,
I really need to start forshad Smith as my RB two,
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but we are thin at the waivers at this point
of the season. We are hitting this six team by
and they get the Commanders coming up next week, which
isn't as fearsome as they were like earlier in the season.
Not that they were like, oh my god, avoid the Commanders,
but they definitely haven't been playing as well recently. So
I think that's why you like Smith, but I just
I say that's a caution. Also, again, he's not going
to all of a sudden be a top twenty running back.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
All right. Injuries had a lot to do with some
of our suggestions here, and with Jaalen Wattle injury and
everything that's going on potentially here with the Miami Dolphins
going in the bad direction, let's talk about League Washington
and how his role might expand over the week or
two ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, it's a bad direction for sure. Also, if you're
watching this on Thursday, you might have news and this
might be irrelevant. But as of today, first thing, Monday morning,
we were talking about this, there's potential no Jalen Wattle
or Darren Waller, which now you're like, oh my gosh,
who's left for the Dolphins? Good question, and they might
try who's left at this point, but it would be.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No coach by the time I get the Thursday.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That is true. There tay two Florida coach is fired
in one weekend. I put that in quotes hopefully for
Dolphins fans out there that happens for sorry all Florida fans.
But I will say like it really comes down to
Malik Washington's exciting. There was the excitement for Washington when
Tyreek Hill got hurt, but obviously Waller stepping in and
just the fact that they didn't really need them and
they turned to a chan in the backfield and there's
just nothing really left from Elak Washington. But at this point,
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it could go the way of the commanders. It could
go the way of figuring out who the next person
was after Devonte Adams for the Rams, where the answer
was nobody, and the answer is going to be it's
just a complete mess and there's going to just be
nobody here. It'd be Westbrookakina catching a touchdown on every
third catch like he did last year. But Malik Washington
has the upside again because if Jalen Widle misses time
multiple weeks one, two, three weeks, and you have no
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Darren Waller on top of it, They're going to need
somebody to throw to besides a Chan and Nick Westbroo Kakina.
So that's why Malik Washington is here. But as I said,
if you're watching this later in the week and Jalen
Wintell avoided a serious injury, he's out there. It's also
not the best matchup, by the way, with the Alcons
on tap. But people need options again, six team on
a buy because the NFL keeps screwing us over with this.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Joe always every single time. Please don't even get me
started about these bipocalypse weeks. It's totally unnecessary. Like that's
the worst part about It's like, we don't have everybody
on a buy there.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
What's thirty two divided by four weeks of four?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No, No, because that would be sensible and that would
you know, make logic and all that nonsense. We don't
like that over here. All right, let's talk about Ronde
Gadston here, tight end who for the Chargers starting to
emerge out. Wasn't just this big week here that he
had in week seven? If you go back to Week six,
he had seven receptions on a targets for sixty eight yards. Obviously,
yesterday a huge day seven for nine for one sixty
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four and a touchdown. So this was the big coming
out party. He is widely free in a lot of
leagues right now. So let's talk about Gadson here because
this is yet another tight end off the waiver wire
in a year where the waiver wire is bearing some
fruit at the tight end position for a which is
really great. But what is Gadson going to look like
going forward? Do you think this was just a one
off based on what's been going on here with some
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of these guys banged up, like you know, QJ hasn't
been healthy much the last couple of weeks, or do
you think that Gadson's really grown now into a spot
where the rest of the season he is a main
cog of this Chargers offense?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Both? How about both? Do you have to throw that
out there? Sure like it's not mutually exclusive to say
that Gadson is a tight end option, but also to
say that, let's not overreacting, he's not going to be
an every week option because he just brought up like
there's a couple things. They were down twenty three to
three in the first half and through fifty five times.
We're not going to see Justin Herbert throw fifty five
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times every single week and have that opportunity. At the
same time, even if Justin Herbert did throw fifty five
times every single week, he's not supporting four people like
at best, he's not supporting three most of the time.
As we already saw the three wide receivers, Quinton Johnston
was a thing, which Matt lad McConkey was a non factor.
Lad McConkey bounced back recently, but also Quinton Johnston got hurt.
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Somebody's always taking the back seat. And that's when I'm
gonna say this. If Gason's a true thing, and Gason
from this point forward is a tight end one, that
means Johnston's probably taken the back seat, especially for the
touchdown upside. But somebody of the wide receiver group is
going to fall off. I don't think it's going to
be Keenan Allen. So it comes down to Ladd versus Johnston.
If you saw that game yesterday, Ladd had the most targets.
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Lad mccaukey managers are probably frustrated with the outcome of
fifteen targets. But the point being here is that Gaston's
a threat to Johnston, and I don't think Johnston's going
to completely fall off where it goes to this tight
end outside of four people basically is going to be
hit and miss every single week. You're gonna get fifty
percent good fifty percent bad. So yes, pick up Gatson.
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That's why he's number three. Go pick him up. If
you need tight end help, you need tight end help
with six teams on a buyer say it, and again
you need tight end help because it's tight end. But
don't expect them to all say like if Gason goes
out in week eight and has one for thirteen, just
keep him out there the week after that and just
like until you have Like remember Juwan Johnson earlier this year,
it was fun until the wheels fell off. But you
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just ride it until the wheels fall off. It's not
one game, wait two or three games before you're like,
I'm going to move on to the next one and
don't watch.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The difference though Jake with Gatson is that like, this
is a rookie, so there's always this weird optimism there
when you have these young kids right where you go, Okay, well,
maybe it's just you know, tight ends, Rookie tight ends
don't all, you know, show up like bron Bowers necessarily
and you have that a little bit more patience, right,
So I think that's why this is shaded with a
little bit more optimism. The guy like John Johnson, who's
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been around the league for a while and we've seen
some one off weeks from him, I think the difference
with him was always Taysom Hill. You know, they get
in the red zone all of a sudden, Taysom Hill
is involved and the gimmick plays and all this stuff,
and it's just kind of tight end. Equity for fantasy
is built around the red zone, and if those guys
aren't playing in the red zone, it's not a good look.
One guy that is starting to play a little bit
around there is the other running back that I teas
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at the top of the show here Kyle man On Guy,
my guy who Jake knows. All I wanted for Christmas
was Kyle man On Guy to become the David Montgomery
and the Bears off. It's all I wanted. I guess
what this is what he did yesterday against the Orleans Saints,
thirteen for eighty one with a touchdown, had a couple catches.
I don't care about that. That's not what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for the thirteen for eighty one the touchdown.
That's what i want. Jake so he had never previously
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this season had more than seven carries in a game,
and all of a sudden almost double that yesterday. Once again,
I will ask this question, is this a game script,
is this a approach against the Saints that they were
just running? Or is this the future of what the
Bears offense and backfield's going to look like with Monangay.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And Swift, And once again I'll give you a both.
This is really well, Okay, The interesting thing is you
just brought it up, is you don't really care about
the passing game for everybody out there, Like Joe wasn't
being flippant in that is that if you look at
it and if you look at Ben Johnson, okay, look
at Gibbs and Montgomery, what are they? Who is Montgomery?
Montgomery does catch balls sometimes, but as Ben Johnson does
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with his running backs, the pass catcher is his lead.
Where like we've seen in the past years where it's
more of that first early down non pass catcher and
then the pass catcher compliment. Basically Tony Pollar and Taj
Spears right now, even though Pollar can catch passes. But
my point being is this is he's basically Ben Jonson
is the reverse of what we expect with split backfields
where one gets sixty five percent of the work. And yes,
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with got sixty five percent, Swift is still an RB two.
Swift is still the running back that nobody wanted. That's
going out there and perfer RB two value. But now
mcmanon guy's in the mix, as you just brought up,
and maybe the Ravens fix what heever is going wrong
with that team during thereby, But the one thing they
can't fix is the injuries on defense. And maybe they
get a piece or two back, but they are still
highly exploitable against the run. So manan guy in a
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sixteen by, he'll be an RB three this week in
my rankings. I can tell you that all right now.
I know everybody's like, oh, who are you gonna rank
It's Monday, it's too early. No, he will be an
RB three this week against the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, and not against the Ravens, but also when you
consider how many teams are on bye, he is very
startable this week. Yes, he's gonna be startable as an
RB two. And I know because I've got a start
him in a couple of leagues where I've had them
all year, and I refused to drop him. I tried
everywhere to acquire Brashad Smith. I was unsuccessful. All I've
done is just stash all my com What's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Right, Everybody's gonna get back on the Chase Brown train
against the Jets, and Minang Guy's gonna outscore this week.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Watch it's not impossible. Although, man, I think the Jets
have just flat out just quit. I think it's I
think it's done. I think it's over. It's not that
it wasn't over already, but I mean it's over over.
Like you gotta just you can't even start these guys
now because they just have no no fight in them.
Tyrone Tracy does he have any fight left? New York
Giants nine carries for forty six in a touchdown, no target,
so he wasn't involved in the receiving game there. But
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at the same time, that was a well, I guess
there's two ways to look at this. It was a
very entertaining game, especially if you were a Denver Broncos fan.
You love the end of that game. Giants Vans, very
frustrating to watch, But you still feel better about the
Giants in that loss than you did about the Giants
when Russell Wilson was still playing quarterback three weeks ago.
That's my take.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm frustrated, as you know. I don't care about the
Giants anymore. I care about the fact that fifteen percent
of the survivor picks were going to be knocked out,
and the stupid Giants blew that, Thank you very much,
band kickers as well. On top of it, they get
the Eagles again, it's not as appealing, especially if Carter's
out there for the Giants. We know how much of
a difference maker that he is. This is similar to
this with seeing like Trent Williams being lost on the
offensive line for the forty nine ers. It's a big
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impact whether or not he's playing. It sounds like he's
going to be fine again this week as he's been
back out there, So it's not as appealing going against
the Eagles, But The reason I throw Tracy in there
is just go grab him. People need running backs right now.
And then what you just brought up was interesting. Most
of those carriers came in the second half too, and
they had the lead until the fourth quarter. This kind
of goes down to the Cardinals situation is how many
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times do you expect the Giants to have the lead? Well,
maybe more than you thought, as you just brought up
with Russell Wilson, So if you need running back help.
And then the biggest thing here is what we already know. Yes,
Tracy lost the job. He lost the job to Scataboo,
whether or not because his injuries at Scataboo. We knew
this was going to happen at some point. But if
Skataboo gets hurt because he runs like the effing Juggernaut,
at some point, Tracy could potentially have RB two value
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because Tracy is one Scataboo injury away from having this
job back.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, certainly could be Cam's Cataboy, though, I mean, he's invincible.
Let's not pretend like he's not.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I hope so, I.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
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your fantasy teams. Real quick, Pashall, Tuton, Isaiah Davis. Going
forward here in terms of stashes, I definitely feel like
Breis Hall should get traded. I definitely feel like we
need just just tear it down, rip it all down,
whatever you gotta do, and that would make Davis useful.
And then let's talk about Tuton as well. Jake, what
are your thoughts on those two guys before we get
out today.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, make sure you're stashing them. The big thing with
Tuton is that might get overlooked now that the Jaguars
aren't a buy, because we've talked about this before, a
lot of times people go to waivers and sert by
Projectors scores for the next week. He's not gonna show up,
but Travis Etn was exciting. He was like, Hey, he
was the answer. And then all of a sudden, over
the last two or three games, Etn started to fall
back off, and Touton's starting to get back into the mix.
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And we know the explosiveness, and we know how many
times that changes happen after the buys with rookies, especially
if they're later to the midpoint, late in the season.
And I'm not saying Tooton's gonna come out of the
buy and take over, but a fifty to fifty split
if Tuton's involved, and then if it continues to continues
to continues, and then all of a sudden he does
have the sixty percent. Don't forget about toot And then, yeah,
Isaiah Davis, you brought it up. Breee Hall also was
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almost hurt and out of that game. He came back,
but we have a Breezehall injury history that whether injury
or trade, Isaiah Davis can step in as only an
RB two. Because you mentioned like the Jets team is
beyond miserable right now.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, certainly beyond miserable. That's a good way of describing
the Jets, or as I like to call them, as
good as the Jets. That's what I'm saying for it,
it's just as good as Jets. There you go. You're
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