FantasyPros - Will Saquon Barkley Bust? | The Top 50 Running Backs for the 2025 Season (Ep. 1580) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy CRO's Football Podcast. I'm
Ryan Warmley, joined today by Andrew Ericsson and by Derek
brown Fellas.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We just did Top fifty wide receiver rankings.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Where we ran through some of the tears and our
early thoughts and guys are Randy too high, too low,
et cetera, et cetera, And we're running it back doing
the exact same thing here with the running backs before
we dive in debro, What were kind of your early
thoughts on the running back landscape, Because it's such a
key position to get right. I always equated to in
Fantasy baseball. It's like pitching, where it's the most important

(00:32):
thing to get right, but it is also sometimes the
trickiest to actually get it right on draft days. So
what we're kind of your early thoughts are just the
landscape of the position.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I think looking at it from one hundred foot view.
This year, honestly, it's another great year for zero RB.
I guess I'll lead it off with that. I know
that we saw running backs crush, I know all the
veterans stay healthy. I know we're probably all in agreement.
That doesn't usually replicate year over year, so it's a
good year when everybody's gonna possibly dive first into running backs.
Often in early to maybe we see a war of

(01:04):
attrition and things go sideways for that. But all it
is to say, man like I think I mean, I'm
gonna be in drafts just kind of looking at this
probably waiting on running back. Either I'm going hero running
back or I'm waiting on a lot of the positions
and the rookies.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Later ericson what do you think? I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I personally historically tend to be a hero running back
kind of guy. Are you a zero RB truther? Do
you think that this year's landscape maybe would lean you
towards one direction or another that would be either the
same or different than you usually go Because because last year,
to Deebro's point, we saw early running backs smash. Do
you think we're gonna see an overcorrection by drafters this year?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Potentially maybe more of the superhero RB approach where you're
double downing on some of these running backs in the
first couple of rounds. I still think that hero RB
is the way to go, because I think that it's
smart to draft a running back with one of your
high picks because that's where usually the highest scoring running
backs come from. Say one Barkley, yes, was the high
scoring running back last year. He wasn't going in the
top three, but he was also going at the top

(02:01):
of the second round. It's not like he was a
really cheap running back, but he still had to invest
high in draft capital and he was still part of
If you went here RB last year, you probably had
some Saquon Barkley here and there, so he was part
of that strategy. So I think that you don't get
it twisted. I think it's still about here are b
you stay out of the middle with these middling RB two.
The thing that you want to prioritize least in your

(02:22):
fantasy lineup every year is your RB two slot. That
is the worst. That's the position to invest the least
amount of draft capitol because it's the easiest one to replace.
So the fact that we're coming in with this great
rookie class, you lock and load one of these top
running backs, whether it's a Bijean, whether you're buying the
dip on Christian McCaffrey, one of these guys in the
first couple of rounds, you lock him in as your
RB one and then you just late round running back,

(02:44):
late run running back, late run running back, and maybe
you hit on this year's Bucky Irving or a Tyrone
Tracy in the later round. So that's the strategy I'm
going to go. It's a strategy last year, strategy I
want to do this year. So yeah, here are b
all the way.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
One last thing I want to add on here, worm
is that going back to NFL Draft season, we kept
talking about and it's true, this is one of the
best running back classes we've seen come out in a
number of years. That's leading We're gonna have all of
these amazing options of youth and guys that if we
want to play the variants and players that are getting

(03:16):
a little bit older, like the Aaron Jones of the world,
other players like Alvin Kamara, like all these guys are
Jonathan Taylor can't stay healthy for another year, all of
these guys in this strong running back rookie crop that
we got incoming again. That leads me to these final darts.
You're taken in the last two to three rounds of
your draft or you want to go zero RB, it's
a wonderful year for it. Going back to yeah, if

(03:38):
we think it is a strong running back class, then
it should lend itself to yes, those darts at the
end of drafts or just going zero RB. It's a
great year for it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
We're not doing this today, but we could have made
this show an all rookie show. Like that's how many
intriguing games spread out throughout the rankings. There's a guy
up right there in the top five, all the way
down to guys they didn't make the cut in the
top fifty relevant rookies that are going to impact fantasy seasons.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
So we will talk about some of them, of course.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
But definitely somebody pay attention to you just kind of
in your early draft strategy when you're thinking about what
you want your drafts to look like. Just a reminder
for everybody I know, we're gonna run through a lot
of names today if you want to kind of follow
along as best you can. All of our twenty twenty
five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros
dot com slash rankings. You can of course navigate to
PPR Rankings Standard. We're doing half PPR today running backs only,

(04:30):
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(04:51):
your prize. Guys, we'll start at the very top, like
we always do with these episodes.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
There's kind of a top three in terms of how
the tears break down.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
So that's what and to focus on right off the bat,
and it's the names that nobody will be surprised to hear.
Saquon Barkley, be Jean Robinson, Jamior Gibbs. Now, you guys
might quibble with the order. I think you're mileage Mayvaria
on which one of those guys should be RB one.
I think for the casual fan and fantasy manager, it'll
be Saquon. Just because he's coming off this historic season.
I think Saquon will be the first in every draft
for Jamar Chase. Isn't the first overall pick. I think

(05:21):
Saquon will be the first overall pick, like ninety nine
percent of the kind of standard drafts that you're in.
That doesn't mean we necessarily agree with that. Deebro, do
you have Saquon number one or is one of these
other two guys?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Nope, Saquon is not my RB one this year. He's
not even inside of my top three, to be honest,
and this is not just Towson hot takes from the top,
but guys hot old enough to remember when we talked
about this last year with Christian McCaffrey, and we worried
about volume sneaking up and quietly, dude, Saquon Barkley's tackle
breaking metrics took a dip last year. Yes, he was

(05:52):
fourth best and explosive run rate, but this dude was
amongst forty six qualifying backs, was twenty eighth and miss
tackle rate and thirty fifth and yards of the con
tech per attempt the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line. And I'm
not saying this isn't gonna be top five again next there.
This year, dude, they were generating almost four yards before
contact for this guy before he even got contacted. So
like that's just an insane clip. So I'm gonna lean

(06:16):
on the side of Like, look, Saquon's another year older
volume is piling up. Bjon Robinson is my RB one
this season.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I am very unsurprised that you would have Bejeon first,
and I actually think by the time I get to August,
I might feel the same way.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I might even feel the same way now.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Like I'm very very in on Beijon, I am much
more surprised to hear that you don't have Saquon in
your top three. I viewed this as somewhat of a
consensus grouping of top three ericson Do you see it
the same way or do you also have one of
these guys not in your top three?

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Marcus not in my top three either, So let's go Gibbs.
Although I could see a situation where because I'm still
not exactly sure where I want finalized, Gent's ranking, yeah,
because he's a rookie running back, but I think that
he's in that mix. Again, I try to think about
these things a year ahead of time. Where are we
drafting Ash and Gent next year? Like who's more likely

(07:06):
to be the number one overall pick next year? Sacle
Barkley again or gent And if if genty's the answer,
then why are we drafting Barkley out of him this year?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Right?

Speaker 4 (07:15):
He's got to have at least somewhat of a strong year,
if not a strong finish. So for me, I right
now have genty as three. And then the other guy,
like I'm thinking about, is is McCaffrey too, right McCaffrey again,
he's the one that's again comes with the injury, and
I still have him behind Barkley. But if anyone canna
be surprised him if McCaffrey were to be the number
one scoring running back and if he plays his full

(07:35):
allimentive games, if he stays healthy, we know that he
can be really productive, if not the number one scoring
at his position. So the upside is that we're gonna
be talking about upside, upide that you see McCaffrey fall
on some of these draft in a round two where
McCaffrey has a ton of upside and he's not coming
off like deebro alluded to and sake one, Barkley touched
up almost five hundred times lash It says why we

(07:56):
were trying to voice our concerns about McCaffrey, and it's
just not McCaffrey. Every running back that leads the NFL
and touches the next year fad just following that process
works out every single year. And I get that. Barkley
maybe you think he's a special running back, but at
the same time, he's still an older running back who
has dealt with a lot of injuries throughout his NFL career.
And again, the thing that could have worked in his favor,

(08:17):
they could have banned the touch push. They didn't. It's
here to stay. So maybe those touchdowns that maybe could
have gone to Barkley maybe saved him from potentially regressing
in your rushing efficiency.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's something like, so eric'son the touchdown equity is still
higher for him than like a gent though, right, just
giving the offense he's in, or do you disagree with you?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Is it? I mean, well, the touchdown equity you could
say the raw touchdowns because yeah, that's what I mean ecosystem. Yeah,
that's a don't gent's touchdown equity in that offense? Is
I think it's unequivalent.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I didn't mean percentage rise. I've been total.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
So so that's maybe the case against Saquon for you, guys,
between Bijon and Gibbs the de bro like, I wonder
if Gibbs almost getting a little bit of like Not
that he's forgotten, but I feel like the most common
name I've heard, if it's not Saquon for number one,
is Bijeon. But Gibbs obviously was a beast to finish
last year. He's a beast every time he touches the ball.

(09:10):
What for you separates Bijeon and Gibbs and has Bejon
number one and gives behind him.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Uh, David Montgomery. It's as simple as that. With David Montgomery,
if he's healthy, if he's on the field, he is
going to cut into Jamiir Gibbs upside, Like Gibbs cannot
unless he ends up with like some ridiculous, stupid outlier
season of like twenty four touchdowns, like he gets into
like the low twenties or something like something crazy happens.
If David Montgomery stays healthy the entire season, it will

(09:39):
cap gives his upside. Now, I have Gibbs as my
RB two right now, So again, I don't have him
as my RB one overall, but I think he should
be firmly planted in the top three, and with Saquon
falling out of that top three, somebody has to leap
up and take the mantle. So that's why I've got
Gibbs as high as I do. But I don't think
he has a path to RB one overall if David

(09:59):
mcgummer stays healthy. But Bijon guys, I mean it's easy.
We've seen him already be the RB one last year,
like after the Atlanta Falcons stopped messing around with Tyler
a year and they leaned on the best player in
their offense and Bjeon Robinson. Week six through eighteen, b
Jeon Robinson was the RB one in Fantasy points per game,

(10:20):
So me expecting him to do that again in twenty
twenty five is not crazy. And to Ericson's point, if
you were to say every single year the last year's
RB one in Fantasy points per game, I'm going to
auto fade them because it is a war of attrition,
and you do not see RB's repeat as the number

(10:41):
one RB in fantasy. It doesn't happen. You have to
go all the way back to like freaking Priest Holmes
and such to see a running back repeat that year
after year, so you're automatically better as far as your
rankings if you are not expecting last year's RB one
and fantasy points per game to repeat. The fallow up season.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Feels like Bijeon is gonna be the number three pick
in a lot of drafts and he's going to be
like a league winner at that spot.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Like I really, I really kind of feel that.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I mean, it's funny because I sometimes am guilty of
this framing in dynasty conversations. The conversation around Bijon is
like all not a disappointment, but almost like the hype
was so immense that like he's really really good but
couldn't quite live up to the hype. Having said that,
like he's top ten finishes both years of his career,
even with the lack of touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
In year one.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Last year he had almost fifteen hundred rushing yards, throw
on another four hundred receiving yards, sixty catches, fifteen total touchdowns.
Like what could you possibly complain about? He's been amazing
and I think anybody watching him would say there's even
room for more growth from there. So I think Bjeon
is going to win leagues this year, especially if you're
getting him like third or fourth pick in your drafts,

(11:51):
So we all love Bjeon. Tier two is bigger, and
this is again kind of in the consensus rankings tier
with the rankings from experts around the industry, and it
runs from RB four to RB ten. Ashton Genty, Derrick
Henry Devon, h Chan, Christian McCaffrey, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor,
Bucky Irving. Already those again it's Genty, Henry h Chan, McCaffrey, Jacobs, Taylor,

(12:15):
and Bucky Irving. So Genty is the guy for both
of you, right Ericson that is currently kicking Saquan out
of the top three.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, so that's all I have in there right now,
because look, ke going to the historical trends, right, you
want to fade the guy that leads the NFL in
touches the next year. We've seen a lot of rooi
running backs drafted with similar draft capital to Ashton Genty,
and they end up firing in year one. It's not
a slow burn. They hit the ground running. And given

(12:42):
where the Raiders took Genty, given the backfield competition or
their lack of, I mean, it's really easy to paint
the picture of him delivering. I mean, they have a
competent quarterback and Gino Smith. Maybe it'd be a different,
different discussion if it was an O'Connell or somebody a different,
more unproven quarterback. But I have offensive weapons. I get
the offensive line has been of a concern. I think
it's a little bit underrated. I don't think it's the

(13:03):
worst offensive line in the NFL. And again it's new
coaching staff too, coming in, So what does that mean?
Can they improve the run blocking up front? And we
know what does gend do best? Breaks tackles right, so
when they get him out in space, if he's making plays,
it doesn't necessarily matter what the run blocking is doing.
If Gendy's getting the ball three hundred times and you
know is able to stay healthy with that type of workload.
So I think that the upside is immense with Ashton

(13:25):
Genty And it's funny actually where you can get him.
So we have him ranked inside the top six top
seven on Fast Draft. He's a guy you can get
in the second round of those fast Draft best Ball drafts.
And it's like, if you like drafted, you don't want
to reach on Ashton jend You feel like you're reaching.
If you take him in the top five, then just
go on fast draft and draft him there and he's
a great price.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
So Derrick Henry is RB five. D wrote you and
actually Ericson also both have him as RB seven. He
was RB three a year ago. It really had like
a historic rushing season. It was just overshadowed by Saquon.
I'm not sure what's changed, if anything. I think the
offensive line is going to be better now that there
was a lot of question marks going into Baltimore's offensive.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Line a year ago.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
We've now seen most of this group together already. There
will be a new left guard, but it's going to
largely have a lot more continuity than they did a
year ago. You know, Lamar is still amazing. He's going
to help open up rushing lanes here. Like Derek, Henry
has talked openly this offseason about how Baltimore did more
for him than he did for them, or at least
in his opinion. He felt that way in terms of
his great rushing season. And he is a freak of

(14:30):
nature who age. The rules of aging seemingly doesn't apply
to I feel like five is maybe fair. It's really
hard for me to wrap my head around having him
outside the top five, because I don't he was amazing
last year and if he's healthy this year, he's scoring
another twelve touchdowns, He's getting fifteen hundred rushing yards in
a healthy season. I just don't see in this offense
anyway around it. And it's not like they went out

(14:51):
and drafted one of these hot shot young rookies coming
in like he has all the runway to himself.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Debro Yeah, man, I mean what it comes down to
two with For Derrick Henry, it just kind of like
I have see him see as MARB five. It comes
down to the pass catching, and I love Derrick Henry,
Like again, he is inside my top seven running backs
on the daily, like I bounce him between RB six
and RB seven with Bucky Irving only because the pass catching,
Like I don't think there's any falloff coming from Derrick Henry.

(15:18):
My question only is like, what does this season look
like if Baltimore's passing attack is any better with in
the touchdowns go any because I mean, dude, he ran
for almost two thousand yards last year, so is he
gonna run for any more than that? He had eighteen
total touchdowns? Is he gonna really score more than that,
and that only pumped him up to the RB four
in fantasy points per game, So like, I think he's

(15:40):
gonna have an amazing season. Like, but like if he
drops to sixteen seventeen hundred rushing yards and the touchdowns
go to fifteen or sixteen, like, that's where I kind
of split the difference between the pass catching up side
of somebody like McCaffrey, which dude, I got him as
MARB five. I think the bounce back is coming, and
this is not shade against Derrick Henry again, like I
think Derrick Henry is a locked in r BE one

(16:01):
straight up until he decides to hang up the cleats.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I just think that he setting aside the possibility for injury,
which applies to everybody setting side injury related floor. I
think he has the highest floor of any running back,
Like if every running back in the league stayed healthy,
I would be most confident in him finishing like inside
the top five over everybody. And I want to test
to Ericson too, because he also has a RINK seven,
but I will just also quickly send Henry. I don't

(16:27):
see any scenario where those short touchdowns turn into passing touchdowns.
It's just not the way the Ravens operate like when
they are inside the like seven yard line. Henry's getting
two carries every drive and he's gonna score more often
than not. I think, like they're in close, they are
never gonna run lamar enclose, and they're not that big
on passing it close. They are going to smash it

(16:47):
in with Henry the way they did with Gus Edwards
before him, the way they did with Henry last year.
So I'm really again, injury aside, I'm so confident that
he's gonna get close to fifteen touchdowns this year.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Ericson you also have him seventh.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I think I agree with you where it's kind
of you're splitting hairs based on some of the guys
around him, just project a little bit better in the
passing game. So Christian McCaffrey, I have a Chan ahead
of Derrek Henry because when Tua was healthy last year,
who was the number one scoring running back? It is
the one to eight Chan. He was the highest scoring
running back in Fantasy points per game. So that matters

(17:19):
to me because we talked about how great Derek Henry
was last year and he was RB three, so still
not RB one. So I think I agree with you
where you're talking about. Okay, he's probably not gonna fish
as the number one over our running back, but is
he the has the highest probably bit of finishing inside
the top five. Yes, so I think that's kind of
where you're making your decision based on, right, I just
want to lock in top five production. I don't really

(17:39):
care about chasing someone that could be the number one
running back overall, you know, trying to dabble, especially in
your format. I mean, obviously in a full PPR, it's
hard for him to get there and separate himself from
the pack with just run Again, he's going to be
He's gonna make it tough because he scores so many
touchdowns and rushes for so many yards. But it's just
it's just tougher for him just because he doesn't catch
as many passes some of the other guys up at

(18:00):
the top. And to add another element to the Ravens
were the healthiest offense last year, like that, that was
a fact. So we're already seeing they already had one
of their safeties go down with a potential season ending injury.
So that was on the defensive side of the ball.
But if a couple of guys get banged up here
and there, what if Lamarmus is a couple of games,
Like we've seen that before, We've missed a couple of
games here and there. Cooper Rush is not gonna have
the same impact on the defense as sure.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Sure, but taking the case for h like, I would
trust Lamar stay healthy more than Tua at this point.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Tua was fine twenty twenty three. He didn't miss any games,
and Lamire did so. So that's what I mean, Like,
like it's just just based on what happened last Like
this matters so much because injury regression is a real thing.
The Ravens were the healthiest team last year, Like they're
going through the healthy two years.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
In a row.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Actually, so they're you know, overdue.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
You're actually building the case again yourself were That's that's
not good.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think it's like full PPR.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, like I'd rather have these guys, but in half,
I don't think the difference is enough. I want I
would much rather take the floor of Henry over a
han or mccaffe.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Frankly, but I full PPR. I feel differently.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
The only other thing I'd like to add about Baltimore too,
is and I'm not again, I'm not saying that he
takes over a huge part of this offense, but we're
talking about I mean, we're splitting hairs between RB three
four versus RB five, six seven. The other part of
this is Keaton Mitchell is healthy coming into this year.
If he and I'm not saying that he plays a

(19:24):
huge monster role, but if he chips away at even
some of the touchdown production, like he he gets three
four touchdowns this year that don't go to Henry, He
gets a few carries that don't go to Henry, he
gets some of the passing work that doesn't go to Henry.
This is how Henry is not RB four, but he's
RB six or seven. He's still freaking awesome. But again,
this is how all these parts are pieces add up to. Okay,

(19:48):
maybe he doesn't repeat, which I mean, dude, if Lamar
wasn't in the MVP conversation last year as good as
he was last year, Derek Henry should have been in
the conversation right next to Saquan, like their numbers are
not that different last year.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, ericson, do you feel like there's maybe a tier
break even within this tier, because we obviously have already
talked a bit about gent t Henry h Han McCaffrey.
The back three names in this tier Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor,
Bucky Irving. I know Deebro mentioned that he has Irving
kind of up in that group, but Eric soon for you,
do you see a bit of a tear break here?
Do you think Jacobs, Taylor, and Irving should be in
conversation with these other names.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
I think that you could make a mini tier break here.
I think. I mean, this is how I have them ranked.
So the guys we just talked about, I have all
of them ranked above the guys that are at the
bottom of this tier. So I think if you can
make a case, I think with Bucky Irving, for example,
I mean, he's a second year running back that smashed
in his rookie year. These guys are usually just good
bets to make on entering year two. So I'm not
going to push against anyone that thinks, oh, Bucky Irving

(20:43):
should be in the conversation with the mccaffreys, with the
Derrick Henryes because of what he can do and when
he showed at the end of last year. So I
think it's fine Heaven ranked behind those guys just because
I think he's a little bit more to still, you know,
show that he can do and overcome. You know, if
Tampa Bay's gonna use multiple running backs for Sean White
is still there for me. The guy that I think
is really polarizing as Jonathan Taylor, because I think from
a talent perspective, I don't think anyone's going to, you know,

(21:04):
debate how great Jonathan Taylor is. But he's had troubles
staying healthy over the last couple of seasons and similar
to Derrick Henry where he has issues overcoming how is
this past game usage? But the thing with him is
the infrastructure in Indianapolis. Half of their offensive line is
now in Minnesota, so that's a big problem. We don't
know what the quarterback play is going to be like,

(21:24):
but we know that these quarterbacks aren't going to dump
down the ball to the running back because both guys
can use their legs and run around. So Jonathan Taylor, again,
guy rushed for I believe, over fourteen hundre rushing yards
last year, and yet he wasn't a difference maker until
he got healthy at the end of the season, so
I feel like him. It's you're kind of paying up
for his floor at this price, and I can't knock

(21:45):
where he's ranked. But at the same time, I'm not
excited to pay it because I'm like, man, there's so
many other ways I could see this going south for
Jonathan Taylor and then what's the up side? You got
Jonathan Taylor RB ten right where you drafted him. It's like,
I don't love that. I don't like like going in,
just like, hey, it's not gonna get better than this.
And it goes back to even that year where he
was RB one. A lot of the other running backs

(22:05):
weren't good that year and he scored a boatload of touchdowns.
Is that gonna be the case in twenty twenty five
when we have this loaded rookie running back Gass coming in,
we have good veteran running backs, and we don't love
the touchdown upside of this Colts offense.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Potentially Bucky Irving is the guy for you here, de bro.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I mean, dude, I don't understand why we hate Bucky Irving.
We talk about, you know, investing in second year players,
whether it's wide receiver or running back Bucky Irving once
he got the job away from Rashad White. This dude
was RB six and Fantasy points per game. Yet there's
a few guys that we're gonna get to as we
kind of move down the ranks where it's like, I mean,
we not project that Bucky Irving like can take a

(22:41):
step forward the Buccaneers Like look we talk about and
Erickson has brought this up on other shows. Okay, Baker
Mayfield takes a step back in the passing touchdown department.
If the Buccaneers offense is still really freaking good, the
touchdown's gonna go somewhere. Dude. What if they go to
Bucky Irving. What if he's this year's guy, that he's
the James Cook of this year? He ends up with

(23:03):
sixteen eighteen touchdowns in this offense. Mike Evans can't stay healthy,
Chris Godwin is not fully healthy for most of the year.
We're looking at an offense that has Kadott and Jalen McMillan.
They're running the ball through Bucky Irving and he's blown
it up in the passing game. Dude, It's like Rashad
White was really good. But if Irving gets more of
this backfield this year, or he reproduces the numbers that

(23:23):
he had last year, or the touchdowns go elsewhere. I mean,
Bucky Irving's the guy that I want to be above consensus.
I have him at RB six and again like right
above Derrick Henry. But he's the guy that were could
he have the runout this year where he scores just
a ton of freaking touchdowns and he crushes expectation.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Let's go to the next year. Here it goes from
RB eleven to RB seventeen. This is Kyrien Williams, Chase Brown,
Brice Hall, James Cook, Joe Mixon, Kenneth Walker, Alvin Kamara.
Again that's Kyen, Chase Brown, Brece Hall, James Cook, Joe Mixon,
Kenneth Walker, and Kamara. I want to ask you, Erickson
about Brice Hall, because this was the guy last year

(24:00):
for you, like you know, a running back who could
finish his RB one and be the number one pick
a year from now, and you're very excited about and
I'm not blaming you for your process that led you
to that point, but obviously it didn't end up panning
out that way. Do you see him as a bounce
back candidate, given how high you were on him a
year ago, or do you think this is an appropriate range?
If not, maybe even a little too high.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
I think it's an appropriate range for Breese Hall. I
think that there's so much to like about and there's
still things I really like about Breese Hall because I
think that he's a super young, explosive running back, can
catch passes. Just betting on that archetype of player is
usually a good bet to make. But then you have
to layer in the circumstances that he's in. He's in
a contract year with a brand new coaching staff that
has no allegiance to him as the clear cut RB one. Now,

(24:41):
I think it's no debate who the most talented running
back is in that backfield. But I don't know what
Aaron Glenn is going to necessarily do. Like the minute
he gets there, he's talking about, right, we want to
use all three running backs. It's like, okay, yes, Isaiah
Davis is a thing now after he showed out a
little bit at the end of last year. Braylan Allen,
you know, very efficient on like third and one last
year with Breese Hall. That always frustrates me is he's
a guy that constantly tries to hit the home run

(25:03):
and that pisses his coaches off sometimes where the dude,
just get the third and one just get the first down.
You don't need to get an adr touchdown. And Breese
Hall again, when you play in the Jets and you're
one of the best players, you feel this obligation like
I have to score on every play or else we're
never gonna score any points. So that's my concern with Hall,
and the fact that, yes, with Justin Fields, you're excited about, Okay,

(25:25):
he's gonna open up these wide lanes because the mobile quarterback.
But in a case where it compared to Derrick Henry,
it's great for Derekkenny because well, he's not gonna catch
passes anyway, so don't really we don't really care. But
Breese Hall, one of his best traits is as a
pass catcher. And now if you're taking those out, who's
third in targets per game last year, Aaron Rodgers. There's
no way he's gonna be anywhere near that this year
with Fields. So there's a couple of knocks on him

(25:46):
that I do have concerns about, and that's why he's
ranked I think below not where he nearly has hig
as he was last year where he was talking about
basically in Tier one. So I like to bet on
the players when it comes down to it, But I
think that this situation, Yes, even in a run heavy offense,
could he get a lot of carries? Yeah, but how
like how many points is that actually going to translate
into fantasy where we're talking about Jonathan Taylor. He's not

(26:08):
gonna catch a lot pass Derek Henry, he may not
catch that my passes. So when you're banking on he's
got to get rushing touchdowns and rushing yards playing for
the Jets to be an rby one, I'm like, ugh,
Like I don't love that. So I'm probably just gonna
be in line with consensus with him. I don't think
he'll be a flat out fade for me, but it's
tough for me to be like overly confident just based

(26:28):
on some of the optics of the situation with breezol.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Deepro who's the guy for you here? That's too low?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Why do we hate Kenneth Walker? Can somebody explain this
to me? Like what Kenneth Walker goes out last year
and He's the RB twelve and Fantasy points per game.
He crushes in efficiency metrics like this guy was third
and first downs per route run, six in targets per
route run sixth, and receiving yards per game. Proves he's
a true three down running back. Because I was, I'm

(26:54):
old enough to again. I'm old, so I remember when
people say Kenneth Walker couldn't catch passes. He proves last
year he's not only an RB one, but he is
a true three down running back. This is his backfield.
When he is healthy, they go out make improvements to
the offensive line. They're gonna run the ball more this year.
And yet Kenneth Walker isn't even ranked were he finished

(27:17):
last year. Why I don't understand that, guys, I really don't.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Isn't it funny three years ago, you guys had a
cage match Bresall versus Kenneth Walker. Here we are three
years later, Erickson's talking about Bresall and Debra's talking about
Kenneth Walker. Time is a flat circle. The more things
change in where they stay the same. So for you, Debro,
because I like Walker a lot too, is this the
scenario where you think he should be like at the

(27:46):
top of this tier, replacing Kien Williams, or you think
he's more like in a different tier and not only
shouldn't be at bottom of this tier, but should be
a tier ahead.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I have been tier two. He's my RB eight of
the season. So all unprojecting is that he he takes
a small step. For everybody that thinks that's crazy, he
was the RB twelve last year in Fantasy points per game.
I'm just projecting that he takes a small step forward,
man Like, he stays healthy, this offense is any better,
he gets more rushing volume, he breaks explosive runs because

(28:16):
the offensive line is better this year, because good lord,
it can't be any worse than it was last year. Really,
so he is way too low in ranks, man Like.
This all leads to I'm gonna be drafting a ton
of Kenneth Walker, and I am I'm totally out, Like
I'm I'm not full fade. I'm not drafting Kiraen Williams
this year.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I was very heavily fading Kyron a year ago and
it didn't play out well for me. So I see
a lot of the cases to do it again this year.
But I also got burned by fading him a year ago.
So I'm like, emotionally, can I go down that path again?
What's the case for fading him deeper? Because I think
I do agree with you?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I mean, right now, Erickson already brought this up. If
your best case scenario is you're just hoping that the
player does what they did last year in their rankings
and stuff, then what are we doing here? You're you're
not betting on upside, You're just saying, please don't lose value,
Please get all the carries, you're not catching passes, because
that narrative just needs to just go away all of

(29:16):
the Kyron Williams is a good pass do we have
not seen Kyra Williams catch passes in the NFL over
the last two years when he's been a freaking RB one.
It does not happen. Matthew Stafford does not check down
and Kyron Williams. I mean, the reason I'm fading him
is I think there is a legitimate, serious threat to
him in this backfield. No, it is not Blake Koram,
it is jarqust Hunter. I was not worried about Blake

(29:38):
Koram last year. I wasn't in on Blake Korm as
a prospect man. He had tons of red flags as
a player that if you looked at his twenty twenty
two tape to twenty twenty four, yes there were injuries,
but his tackle breaking metrics dropped in every single season
he was in college outside of the freaking counting stats.
And so this year the Rams go back to the well.
They added an explosive player in Jarque Hunter to this backfield.

(30:01):
And I hate to tell everybody that loves Kyen Williams,
I don't hate the player. I hate the ADP, I
hate the rank on him. I have him as a
RB two. I think there is a possibility he still
leads this backfield and overall touches. But jarqust Hunter is
going to make noise. He is the guy in this
backfield that is different than Blake Korum than Kyen Williams.
You cannot expect either one of those guys to break

(30:23):
an explosive run. That is the name of the game
for Jarquest Hunter. And I mean Kyroen dude, Like it's
just it's too much leaning on he has to repeat
this Rashad White stranglehold on all of the volume for
a player that was first in snapshare, second in opportunity share,
and freaking first in red zone touches. So picky poison

(30:43):
here the Rams pass more in the red zone. Jark
West Hunter eats into his volume. He's still not getting
past game works. So what's the out for Kyron Williams. Man,
he's just basically Jonathan Taylor on a different team.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Nah, No, thank you, Erickson.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Quickly, pick one more name that you want to talk
about here can be a follow up on Kyron, or
Walker can be a name we haven't mentioned. One more
quick thought on this tier, Well.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
I don't want to. I don't think the grave can
be dug any deeper on Kyle before you ericson No,
I think I think you did enough. I think I
think that because I'm also lower on Kaen wins for
the reason I feel like it's groundhog Day. It's like
now the year. No, they're good, Fad Kiren Williams see
what works out like we don't know, but I do

(31:27):
think the extra backfield competition and I like so. I
still like the Korm, but the fact that now you
have two running backs like it's Korm and Drecus, he's
to be better than both those guys, and if you
look at his advanced rushing metrics last year, they look
exactly like Najie Harris and maybe about Najie Harris in
any way, shape or form as a rusher. So that's
just my point on Kyroen. The guy I want to
talk about who I also have in a tier above

(31:49):
is Chase Brown. Because we're talking about ceiling, we're talking
about potential role. I don't expect Chase Brown to get
the same type of workload he got in the second
half last year. Obviously the Bengals had a bunch of injuries,
but the fact that the Angles trusted him enough to
this guy can be our eighty percent snapshare running back.
He's still gonna play sixty five percent plus of the
snaps you have smashap he Ryan Sprinkling or some of

(32:09):
the other running backs, and he also plays on the
Bengals are goably the best offense in the NFL. We're
talking about who could score fifteen plus touchdowns. It's not
t Higgins who also gets hurt all the time. Oh,
Chase Brown could be the guy that's scoring a bunch
of touchdowns both as a receiver out of the backfield,
getting reps at the goal line. So you know, I
just love Chase Brown, Like that's the guy I am
circling as the person that I want to get because

(32:31):
I think that he has again things break his way.
I mean, he was the RB one in terms of
usage last year, so if he scores more touchdowns, it's
efficient and we know he's explosive. He's at three downs back.
So yeah, Chase Brown for me, is someone I want
to highlight and someone that I'm going to be drafting
a lot of.

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Speaker 1 (34:12):
I think I will be drafting from the Tier three
running back group more this year than in previous years
because there are a number of names that I like
the values there. There are some I don't, but there
are number of names I like there. Tier four, I think,
outside of the rookies, I will be avoiding a lot
of these names just to quickly run through them.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
This is much bigger.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Tier goes from RB eighteen to RB twenty eight Cheuba Hubbard,
James Connor, David Montgomery, Omarion Hampton, Aaron Jones, R J. Harvey,
Traveon Henderson, Tony Pollard, DeAndre Swift, Quinshawn Judkins, Isaiah Pachecko. Again,
that's Hubbard, Connor, Montgomery, Hampton, Jones, Harvey, Henderson, Pollard, Swift, Judkins, Pachecko,
deebro you spent a lot of time with these rookies

(34:51):
during the lead up to the draft process. Obviously you
are a very big fan of some of these guys,
particularly RJ.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Harvey.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Of these rookies again, and that's ham at twenty one,
Harvey at twenty three, Henderson at twenty four, and Judkins
at twenty seven. Who are you targeting amongst those four rookies?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
We know that's a J.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Harvey.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I just have to ask you a question. I leading
with R. J.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Harvey. Yes, I mean, dude, I've got RJ. Harvey is
locked in top fifteen back this year. And everybody that
wants to even bring up Audrick Guestimy and Julium McLoughlin
into the conversation, dude, like, did you not see last
year they couldn't even carve out definitive roles next to
Javonte the ghost of Javonte Williams. You think they're doing
that with the running back of the Denver Broncos drafted

(35:34):
in the second round of the NFL Draft. And Sean
Payton has continually praised in the process and say what
you want, man, but like kids got talent, kick and play,
Peyton's gonna target the running backs. I'm sorry, Like anybody
touting Audric esta May and Julia mcloffin as a true
threat to RJ. Harvey's workload, it just comes down to
you're just trying to confirm that you had RJ. Harvey

(35:57):
too low in your pre draft ranks. That's all it is.
But outside of r J. Harvey, Trevion is gonna be
definitely one of my big targets this year. I am.
I've moved further and further closer to ericson in not
that I'm fading Amrion Hampton, but I have moved him
down my rankings, like I've got him moved down to

(36:17):
RB twenty five because I do think that there's probably
a very realistic possibility that Najie Harris is not going
to go away for many, many weeks and he is
going to play into this backfield. So I've moved more
of my rankings in that direction. But Travion Henderson, man,
it's I mean, pick, pick whichever narrative you want to
go with. Pick whichever lane that you feel like is

(36:38):
gonna explain his role in this offense the best like
pass game upside with McDaniels, okay, check, Ramondre Stevenson has
not been efficient, He's had fumbling problems. Okay, check. They
don't have a lot of pass game options. We I mean,
we're hearing Stefan Diggs might not be ready to go
week one. Okay, well, you feel good in that passing
game as a Kayle Williams. Well, it's not Jillen Polk,

(36:59):
it's not Jevin Baker. Hunter Henry is your wide receiver
one of this offense. Oh okay, Trayon's getting a crap
don of checkdowns, got it? Okay, good, let's go. So
I think it's Trabon if it's not RJ. Harvey in
this tier, and I'm gonna also make one shout, although
we're gonna get to him there in a little bit.
Somebody explained to me why Caleb Johnson is not in
this tier because that dude ranking Isaiah Pacheco, Quinnchawn Judkins,

(37:23):
DeAndre Swift, even freaking Tony Pollard and Aaron Jones above
Caleb Johnson is It's close to insanity to me.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Caleb Johnson, for the record, is the number one name
atop the next tier.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
So he is the guy. He's RB twenty nine. We
only went through RB twenty eight. But yes, he is
in a separate tier from these other guys. And thinking
about the rookies, ericson looking at the rookies, how do
you break it down in terms of who you want
to be targeting.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Hampton is somebody that is going to be a frustrating
player to play early. But if and when he takes
over the backfield around Halloween, like, I don't know when
that will be. It might not even be this year
if they just really trust Najia Harris, But if it happens,
there's incredible upside here. So I feel like he's somebody

(38:12):
that I will want to be targeting as long as
I have crafted a roster such that I don't need
him to be a star in September because I don't
think he will be, but I think he could be
in the fantasy playoffs.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Yeah, but that makes it a tough selling at draft
from round four. Yeah, that's a starter. That's the concern
that you have where you're got you're gonna start omaryon Hampton.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Week one, already ranked as a top twenty four back,
twenty four back?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Is he going in rounding four?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I mean, if he's a top twenty to twenty four
running back, he's going what at what's the base?

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Like round five?

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Like even Tom Man?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
I mean, yeah, so his ADP is even higher than
ECR by the way, his eighteens, So you're definitely right.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah, So I feel similar to Debro with Omaron Hampton,
where again I want his exposure to in many of
these rookie running backs because there's gonna be a lot
of big hits within this group. But again, you can't
draft them all, and when you're considering the prices, well,
you just take all the guys that weren't first round picks. Yes,
we love the fact that Armary Hampton was a first
round pick. We love the fact that he's on the
charger and to run heavy offense. But you don't love

(39:16):
the fact that Najie Harris doesn't miss games, doesn't fumble,
and coaches trust him Like that's like the worst thing.
That's like the worst thing to have if you're a
rookie running back because the path is like Romandre, it's easy,
like he's gonna fumble the job away like Javy Nunders
and Slated. You have RJ. Harvey with the McLaughlin estimated
non established guys. They're paying Naji Harris more money and
free agency than any other running back. Like I get

(39:38):
that he didn't make that much money, but relative to
every other veteran running back, Naji Harris had the best
contract in free agency and he made more money than JK.
Dobbins did last year? Who was there RB one, And
there's still a chance that Jack Dobbins comes back to
the Chargers. So what happens if it's a three headed
monster now with o Mayrion Hampton. So that becomes a
concern for me. So I'd rather just wait a little

(39:58):
bit longer, get some of these other rook running backs
and warm to your point. I know that when you
first opened up this tier, you talked about I really
like this teer. We're drafting a lot from this tier.
But then you correct yourself by saying the rookies because
usually this is like the dead zone tier where you
don't want to draft a lot of running backs. I
just wanted to add that layer because you have a
lot of guys where projected volume, you're looking at early

(40:18):
season's success where you could see them James Connor, Chuba
Hubbard where okay, week one you feel good about them,
but how does it go down in the stretch. We
know James Connor is dealt with a ton of injuries.
I love Trey Benson as the second you're running back
to buy because I think you could have a bigger role,
especially if James Connor gets banged up. So just some
thoughts on the other running backs that are not rookies
in this tier, because I agree you want to be
targeting the young guys in this particular range, not necessarily

(40:40):
the veterans, because I think that when you go down
the list, you're gonna find Okay, I think I could
probably make do with some of these other running backs
that really aren't that much different from the ones that
are up in this tier.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Also, something I wanted to hit on real fast, going
back to just with a Mario and Hampton roll fast
ericson and I've talked about as we've kind of going
through the running backs and stuff, what's the pass game
outlet for Marion Hampton too, or any running back in
this backfield? So like if Nagy does stay as a
thorn in the side, like say even a Marion gets

(41:09):
the sixty five percent, we're discussing an offense last year, like, dude,
outside of Lad McConkie, who the heck are you throwing
the ball to? And they still didn't target the running backs.
The only team that had a lower running back target
share was the freaking Los Angeles Rams. So even if
you're talking about for Marion Hampton, like his absolute pure
runout is as Jonathan as a Jonathan Taylor Kyrin Williams

(41:34):
type of clone for the Chargers, where he gets all
the all the volume, all the touches, hardly any pass
game usage in all the touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
You know, it's really like this.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'm really fascinated by this Chargers offense this year because
I think there's a lot of assumptions about like Greg Roman,
but they threw the ball a lot more in the
second half last season. You know, assumptions about running backs
in the passing game, but like Dobbins and Gus Edwards
have never really been pass catchers in the NFL. I
know Dobbin's more in college, but like, I'm just really fascinated. Like,
I don't have a lot of strong opinions on this

(42:05):
offense this year. Other than that I think it'll be
pretty good. I'm really curious to see the shape that
it takes. The last thing I'll say on Hampton is
to me, this is a great example of a guy
that you don't draft but you try to buy low
on in like Week seven. I want to be trading
for him for the stretch run and taking that upside
swing if he has a slow start because of Najie
Harris deeper. Just last thoughts in this tier, any veterans

(42:26):
that stand out is too high or too low.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Just quickly. Aaron Jones, I'd dude career high in touches.
He stayed healthy. Adding Jordan Mason, who's going to play
in this backfield because ty Chandler sucks and was never
a part of the backfield. I mean, freaking cam Akers
beat him out last year as the RB two. So
Aaron Jones, I can't draft at RB twenty two right now.
I just I can't do it. Tony Pollard, I feel

(42:48):
like in this tier he's the undervalued guy. I know
there's been a little bit of talk coming out of
the Tennessee Titans camp about Taj Spears playing more into
this backfield. That's fine. I think Tony Pollard is still
going to be the quick, clear, workhorse, sixty to sixty
five percent snap guy. He's gonna get the red zone
touches and the look Tennessee. Can he get much worse

(43:08):
than being the Mason Rudolph and Will Levis show last year.
If cam Ward is like any semblance of good this year,
Tony Pollard, who was an RB two last year could
vault up the ranking. So out of the veteran guys
in this tier, yeah, I think Tony Pollard is definitely
a little bit undervalued.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Eric sent any last thoughts in this tier.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I just wanted to quickly mention as a last veteran
in this tier is isaiaha Checko. And I'm just curious
to where do you think that he would be ranked
if he'd never came back last season and all we
had was him getting a monster workload to start the year,
breaks his leg doesn't come back, because I think that
his current ranking is so heavily influenced on how he

(43:51):
looked so bad because he was coming off a broken leg,
and we saw this with Tony Pollard. He came off
of the broken leg and then looked terrible. So I
think it's almost like an overcorrection where the first couple
of weeks, I say, Pacheco was looking like he was
going to be a league winner. I know we were
talking about Rashie Rice as a potential league winner and
then he got hurt. But Pacheco was seeing like there
was no cream hunt, like he wasn't part of the

(44:12):
equation whatsoever. So that's something I'm trying to keep in mind, now,
will Pacheco ever get back to his form? I mean,
it's more likely that he's back to his form now
than he was at the end of last year when
they were trying to make a Super Bowl run. So
I'm trying to I'm keeping the light off for Pacheco.
He's still a young running back and more time removed
from the injury. I just want to be open to

(44:32):
I don't know how you guys feel about it, and
like me presenting that question to you, like I think
that he probably.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I think it's a great point, honestly, Like I think
I think you are making Pachecko is somebody that I
feel down on, and I think it's a very fair
not It's not even like a critique by you. It's
just a it's an important question to ask, right, Like,
how would we be framing this if we didn't have
that comeback last year, which might have been rushed because
of the you know, the Super Bowl aspirations. So like,

(44:59):
I don't know where I will come down. I think
Pachecko is somebody that I could see myself ranking very
differently now versus the end of August.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I think it's a good question to ask Debra.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I think he'd be around the same spot like cause,
and I'll say this, like I'm my Pachecko ranking, I
have an RB thirty one, so I'm almost like in
locks up with ECR here. My Pachecko ranking is not
related to how he looked last year. It's the muddiness
of this backfield. It's the fact that Kareem Hunt showed
that he can be a volume guy. It's the fact

(45:29):
that they did add Elijah Mitchell. It's the fact that
a guy that we're gonna maybe talk about, maybe not
in this episode, but we've already discussed like in the
NFL draft process. I think Rishard Smith is gonna make
noise in this backfield as the new Jerrick McKinnon. So
I don't think we see Pachecko go back into what
we saw before the injury last year. It's a possibility,
but I think with all the bodies in this backfield,

(45:51):
I think that it's more likely this is a two
or three way possible committee. And I think that's what
it is is affecting his ranking and why I have
him ranked where I do more so over ineffectiveness, injury,
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
We're definitely not talking about Rishard Smith on our top
fifty running backs up, so he's RB ninety one.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I like him well, but that's way too low.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
He's currently an ECR for Redraft behind such names as
Alexander Madison, Is, Kimani Videll, Sincere McCormick, Sean.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Tucker my Lock. In every single fifth round, Richard Smith
is my RB fifty.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Puts them with some respect on his name, ECR, get
with it.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Next year here another big one.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
So I'll run through the names quickly from RB twenty
nine to RB forty one. Caleb Johnson, Brian Robinson, Junior, Tyrone,
Tracy Junior, Jalen Warren, Najie Harris, Ramadre Stevenson, Travis Etn,
Zach Sharbon and Javonte Williams, Tank Bigsby, Cam Scataboo, Taj Spears,
and Jordan Mason. Again, you can follow along fantasypros dot
Com slash rankings to kind of be looking at those

(46:55):
rankings since.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I know that's a lot of names.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
We know Dibra is Caleb Johnson not only at the top,
but should be a Tierra ahead. There's a lot of
names here that I just like maybe they fit under
the category of like boring veterans that are gonna provide
value at the end of the day. But I just
don't want a lot of these names. I will say
in Ericson, I'm curious your opinion. I know he has

(47:18):
not looked good since the injury. There is a lot
a lot of touches to be had in the Dallas backfield,
and I wonder if Javonte Williams is a screaming value
at RB thirty seven, even if it feels gross to
draft him.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
I think, I think I'm there with you, worm, I'm
interested in Williams.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I'm there.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
You know. It's interesting. I was actually doing some deep
diving on Jamonte Web specifically, and it reminded me so
much of this time last year when I was doing
the same deep diving on JK. Dobbs, like who did
the surgery?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Like what's very Dobbin's esque, that's a great call.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Just just trying to figure out what's going on with
this guy. And I even came to the conclusion. So
last year it was Sean Payton that was saying that
he looked back to his old self, not Gavonte Williams.
This year, it's Gevonte Williams saying I feel like my
old self, So maybe that means absolutely nothing. I just
thought of his notehere that just wanted to bring it up.
But the opportunities there in Dallas. He's still only twenty

(48:13):
five years old, so he's still a relatively young running back.
It can't get worse than it was last year. And
remember last year we were talking about him getting cut
from the Denver Broncos. Him and Sean Payton never saw
eyed eyes. So even if Javonte had been fully healthy,
was he looking explosive? I don't know if it ever
was going to fit again. Jean Payton inherited Jamonte Williams.
He didn't go out and go this is my He's

(48:34):
not R. J. Harvey like Jean Payton went on got
R J.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Harvey.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
He did not. He inherited Javonte Williams. So again it
was the best of a overall lackluster group of running backs.
He's still caught a bunch of passes. They trust him
as a blocker. He's going to be used on passing downs,
catching passes from Dak Prescott, catching dump off passes from
Dak Prescott, and it's Miles Sanders and Jayden Blue, who, yes,
is a very exciting rookie that can make big plays,

(48:58):
but not someone that is viewed as oh, this guy
can operate on all three downs. So yeah, I think
that if we're trying to figure out who could be
this year's JK. Dobbins, I think Javonte Williams checks off
a lot of boxes. And as I dove deeper into
my research for him, I actually found out the reason
why he signed with Dallas was the Dallas Cowboys new
running back coach Derek Foster actually called Jamonte Williams and

(49:20):
was like, Hey, I've been watching you since college, since
North Carolina, like I want you to be on the
Dallas Cowboys. And I was like, Johny's like, sign me up,
like someone that believes in me, which I don't think
ever was the case with Sean Payton. Again, we saw
it like he was constant in the doghouse. And you
don't get rumored to be a cut candidate as a
lead running back on your team if you're not seeing
eyed eye with your head coach. So yeah, Javonte, I
am consider me in at RB thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I will be ranking him ahead of RB thirty seven.
I guarantee it, Dee Bro, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You want to talk about the deep dive on Javonte Williams.
I haven't tweeted that. I haven't tweeted this out. I
haven't put this out anywhere. Man. I went to Bro.
I went down a rabbit hole the other night about
stats on Javonte Williams. This this will some people's minds here. Okay,
So last year with Javonte Williams, he hit a wall,
and if you look at his week by week stats,

(50:08):
it's insane, Dude, from weeks one through eight, his mistackle
rate was actually good man like. So in that sample,
so weeks one through eight amongst forty three qualifying running backs,
Javonte Williams had a twenty percent misstackle rate, which was
thirteenth amongst forty three qualifying running backs. Now, after Week eight,

(50:28):
bro hit a cliff. He did not force a mistackle
for the rest of the season. The rest of the season,
So you're talking about a guy that was coming off
injury still wasn't himself in the first eight games of
the season a twenty percent mistackle rate. The rest of
the season boof zero gooseg nothing if another year passed

(50:51):
the injury, if he looks like the guy from weeks
one through eight, Yeah, this is this year's JK.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Dobbins.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I'm in it.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I'm in I mean, it's so easy to just sit
here and say the Dallas Cowboys, who are an offense
that we think is going to be good on some level,
they have one running back inside the top fifty. They
only have two inside the top seventy. Miles Sanders is
like in the RB seventies. Like if you think Javonte
Williams is fantasy value is dead, Miles Sanders.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Is as value dead dead.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
He's completely cooked.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
And then the only guys at the top seventy is Blue,
who's not even inside the top fifty and doesn't appear
to be a full time player. I think Blue is
a good player, but like there is just like Javonte
would have to be the worst running back in the
sport to not take advantage of this, and maybe he
is that if he really doesn't break any tackles for
the second half of the season, not a single one,

(51:43):
but he will have so much of a runway it's
insane and there is no way that and I say
healthy with air quotes, but that a healthy Javonte Williams
is not a top thirty six running back.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
There's no way I don't disagree.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
And one of the things that that people are missing
about Jayden Blue, Yes, you can categorize him as a
passing down back based off of Okay, he was a
really good receiving option. To Ericsson's point, I think we
are missing the boat on who is going to play
actually on passing downs in the sense that Jayden Blue,
like for the instance, that people talk about him as
a passing down back just because of the receiving stuff

(52:20):
and running routes. Dude, Texas did never trusted him in
pass protection. This guy had forty four across all of college,
forty four career pass blocking snaps, and in that small
sample he allowed four pressures in two sacks. You're telling
me that Schottenneimer and company are going to allow him
or trust this guy in pass protection for the word,

(52:41):
go heck if not. The rest of this season, Javonte
is gonna be that guy. So our characterization of Jayden
Blue is probably even wrong in the sense that if
he's doing anything out the gate, it's probably as a
change of pace guy on early downs and not playing
on passing downs.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Looking right, So right now he's RB thirty seven. The
names ahead of him sharbon a etn Ramandre Najee Harris,
Jalen Warren, Tyrone, Tracy Junior, Brian Robinson Junior. I'm gonna
I'm gonna be ranking Gavante ahead of it, like five
or six of those names.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Like I just bumped him up to RB thirty two.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I was gonna say, I think I might have him
at the inside the top thirty by the end of
draft season. Yeap, Just I don't see a path to
in not if he plays all seventeen games. I don't
see a path him not being a top thirty running
back in this Offenserew, I just bump Hi up to
RB thirty.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I think that's let's not get carried away, boy.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
He's army. It's an RB three price tag. I didn't
say I made him Arbi.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Would you did you rather have him or Sharboney who
was a backup, or Travis Eta who was terrible last year,
or Ramadre Stevenson, who I think is his job's gonna
get taken.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
My head, you can't maybe argument at was horrible last.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
All right, would Tyrone Tracy?

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Oh no, I'd rather have him than Tyron.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Well, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I wanted to ask, actually, because you mentioned Tracy. There's
a lot of pairs in the same backfield in this tier.
We have Tracy and Scattaboo are up both in this tier.
We have Etian and Bigsby are both in this tier.
There's a lot of you know, Jalen Warren and Nijie
Harris's former pair not anymore, in the same backfield. A
lot of a lot of players who are the one
A or the two in their backfield, or they're both
in this in this tier, how are you guys parsing

(54:17):
through some of these pairs debro between like a Skataboo
and a Tracy, or between an e Tiana and a Bigsby.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Uh So, the entire Jacksonville backfield is basically inside of
my top like forty to forty five players, because before
camp we have no freaking clue. I think Eteam will
be the lowest guy out of all that Baseil Tooton
will be the top guy. But he's like they're right
next to each other, like him and Tank. I've got Skataboo,
like there is a chasm, like I've got RB, I

(54:46):
got Tyrone Tracy at RB forty four. I got Skataboo
at RB thirty two. So for everybody in the draft
process that said I hated Skataboo, like dude, I had
a lot of questions about his draft capital where he went,
I think it is incredibly telling not only that he
goes to the Giants, but that he got better draft
capital than freaking Tyrone Tracy did last year. And in
the fumbles were a problem with Tyrone Tracy. I think

(55:08):
Skataboo can be their volume guys. So looking at all
these different backfields, man like, yeah, I want to be
above consensus on Skataboo. And again, like going back to
Caleb Johnson, he shouldn't be in this tier. He is
the clear guy like Naji Harris got two hundred and
ninety nine touches last year. Caleb Johnson, what's the floor guys?

(55:29):
Two fifty two forty Like, I mean, honestly, I think
the floor is probably two fifty. But am I wrong here?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
You're preaching to the fire. I love Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
I think that, I mean, he's in the perfect offense
for his skill set, like he was so landing spot dependent.
Because he went to a different not like the wide
zone type of scheme, he would have been terrible and
it would be like, oh my god, what is his
team doing? This team because he has to build up
his speed again. When we first did the running Back
Rookie episode that I was on, it was like, Cale
Johnson looks like Derrick Henry, Like that's who I compared
him to because his running style so similar to that

(56:00):
where he's got a build up speed and that fits
so well in Arthur Smith's offense. Who knows to thinke
or two about Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
So, yeah, we've referenced it before on this show. I've
referenced it before, but it's Nate Tice is the one
who said, honey shrunk Derrick Henry. It was his cop
for Caleb Johnson. And it's just so easy to see
the stylistic match ericson any other thoughts on some of
these pairs, like Tyrone Tracy versus Skataboo, Bigsby versus ETN So.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I also have Scataboo over Tyrone Tracy Tracy to me,
so he really fell off at the end of last year,
so it was after the bye week. He was PFF's
fourth fourth worst graded running back, so we didn't see
as much of the explosiveness. At the end of the season,
he kind of fell off and he has fumble issues again,
going back to how easy is the path for this
other running back to take over? The Giants' current coaching

(56:47):
staff and regime are playing for their jobs every single week.
The minute that Tyrone Tracy puts the ball on the ground,
you're concerned about do we trust this guy. Devin Singletare
is also lingering around, So those types of like they're
gonna put where they trust the most with the ball
to get it done. And if there's any doubt about
Tyrone Tracy, well they're gonna find other ways to try
to have a different running back on the field. So

(57:08):
that's my concern about Tyrone Tracy. So I think that
he is overvalued. I think that the better bet is
just to take the cheaper running back. Again, with these
ambiguous backfields, don't be over confident that you meediately know
what's gonna happen. In a lot of the cases. Yes,
me and Deiro have scataboo over Tyrone Tracy. But we're
also telling you Tyron Tracy is probably gonna get drafted first.
But we're telling you with our rankings just wait to

(57:28):
take the value when it comes to you. And if
you're wrong, okay, well that's how was drafted. So it's
not as big of a hit on your draft capital
when you're actually constructing your team. So again, I think
value still the name of the game. That's ky why
I pushed back with Javonte. It's like the reason JAK
Dobbins was great last year because he was cheap. If
he had been like a fifth round pick, and yes,
he would have been really good at the beginn of
the year. But there's a reason why we're like, sell
JK Dobbins Like that was the reason we were talking

(57:51):
about that. So like Javonte starts out really hot, sell
Javonte Williams for Omrion Hampton, Like that's gonna be a
trade that we're gonna try to convince people to make.
So that's something to keep in mind looking at when
these prices fluctuate, as to be closer to August, how
you're going to approach these players again, because most likely
we're not going to see like any absolute studs unless
they're rookie running backs. So you want to flip the
veterans get into this rookie upside as for Jacksonville's backfield. Again,

(58:15):
I don't think anybody has the Da Vinci code of
exactly how this is going to shake out. I always
have a soft spot for Etn, and Tank Bigsby is
someone that I continuously fade. I think I might just
do the same thing again and just fade bikes me
year three. The thing with ETN that I can't just
get out of my mind is he has Trevor Lawrence's trust,

(58:35):
and I think that still matters from a real life perspective,
where if Trevor Lawrence wasn't there, I would have really
no hope about Etn. But he's been a running back
that's been a top five fantasy running back before. Neither
Tank Bigsby has done that. As much as I love
about sel Touton, he has not done that either. And
he also has fumbling. I mean Etn, the two guys
behind him both have fumbling issues. So I just don't
think we can just just completely right off eat because

(58:57):
what if he does open the he stays on the team.
He's the one starter and Liam Cohen offense that can
catch passes like, okay, maybe we're too low on ETN.
And again, how many years ago was Josh Jacobs right
playing in a contract year fadum fadeum, fadum, and then
he smashed Why would they Hey, let's run ETN into
the ground. So I'm just trying to play through the

(59:17):
different scenarios. I think Jacksonville's backfield is worth taking shots on,
but for me, it's mostly on ETN and Twoton as
the two guys I'm gravitating towards. But I'll admit like
it's not something I'm like, Oh, I'm super confident. I
think that we're gonna get more news about it. If
he didn't gets traded, then that obviously opens up things
for Bagsby and tut In.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
We got to move to the next yeer because they're
running a long But I do just want to quickly
point out I like Jordan Mason a lot. If he's
going out to the top forty running backs, and I
don't think I don't think either of you two are
gonna quibble with the ranking for Brian Robinson Junior. But
if he really is, I mean, they didn't draft a
running back till round seven. They are, you know, entering
year two with this elite young quarterback, you know, theoretically

(59:58):
taking a step forward. If Brian Robinson is the lead
back in this offense, like I could see a real
path to like twelve hundred yards and twelve touchdowns this
season and looking like a Like I'm not saying he
should be ranked too much higher than he is, but
RB thirty is fair and I think there's real ceiling
that you're getting with that ranking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I love that you brought up b rob roll fast
form because he how we kind of frame the conversation
around Isaiah Pacheco is how I feel about Brian Robinson junior,
except he has less competition, like if he is the
goal line back, Like in the ten games that he
played forty percent of more of the snaps, this dude
was near the top and like ten zone carries and
stuff like that. So the touchdown upside is massive there

(01:00:39):
for Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, I really enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I had him a lot last year and it paid
off well in the first season with j Jenos when
he was on the field, when Robinson was on the field,
So I'll probably be doing it again if that price
days where it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Don't love DeAndre Swift?

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
No, no, no, you want to talk about guys, I'll
continue to fade and happily. So DeAndre Swift, come on down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Baby, let's go last year here, We'll go quickly on
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Rashad White, Rico, Daldo, Ray Davis, Trey Benson, Austin Eckler,
Tyler Algier ISAA, Garendo, Baseel Tuton, and Jalen Right. The
second year running backs are kind of the ones that
stand out to me here, Ericson, I know you mentioned
Trey Benson is a guy. I mean, Ray Davis is
a backup, but I love the idea of him. If
you know James Cook ever ends up missing any time,
he seems like a good investment, you know, Girndo, we

(01:01:29):
know what's happened with CMC in the past. So I
think the second year running backs to me Ericson stand out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Yeah, those traditionally are one of the best bets to make,
especially when they don't do anything as rookies. So it's
not the same thing with receiver. Rookie receivers that don't
hit are usually really bad investment. Sophomores that's the opposite
with running backs. I think that they're all going at
like it's worth it to go after it. Trey Benson,
it's explosive. James Connor, I just don't think he's gonna
be able to stay healthy like he did last year.
And he I think he's one of these veteran running

(01:01:56):
backs where he's gonna get hurt by Yes, Mary injury.
Fortunate last year, maybe not so much this season. I
think Trey Betts is going to take advantage. He had
good coach speak, you know. Jonathanna was talking about they
know who he is on the roster, like that's always
a positive that this third round rookie running back that
they still remember who he is. And he's not like,
oh yeah that guy. Now, he's like someone that's actually
top of mine. So I like him and Ray Davis too.

(01:02:18):
Because James Cook's holding out, right, so does he hold
out into offseason. We've seen all these holdouts the last
couple of years and it's been disastrous for the most
part for a lot of these guys missing time, they
get hurt, and James Cook last year again just blew
up with the touchdowns. So we'll see again. It's probably
going it's gonna come down like he's not going to
score eighteen plus touchdowns again. But again, the year before
he scored like two, So I think we'll probably be

(01:02:40):
around those low like eight to ten touchdowns, assuming that
he stole the RB one. But Ray Davis did flash
when he had his opportunities last year, and I think
that should go unnoticed. So yeah, give me the young guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Here deeper all trade you a twenty twenty eight rookie
fourth rounder for Trey Benson in our dynasty league.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I keep trying to get him to your worm, and
you just don't want him. I mean I I keep
trying to trade him to you, and you don't want
You don't love trade Benson up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I give him to me. I would take him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Trading is harder trying to give him to Who says
that to you here, Debra? Or if none of these
names stand out to you, who outside the top fifty
should be in here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
So I think the second year running backs all stand
out for all the reasons that Ericson kind of highlighted.
I think the guys in this tier that stand out
to me the most Grindo because we know who he is, Like,
if CMC is out, he's a plug and play RB
one Baseial Touton who wanted to go to the rookie path,
but Jalen Wright also stands outside is Ray Davis Man.
The guys I'll bring up real fast that I think

(01:03:39):
should be well two or three guys that I think
should be inside the top fifty one. We've already talked
about Bershart Smith. I think he is the new Jared
McKennon in Kansas City. He should be inside the top
fifty like he is in my ranks. Jarqust Hunter, I'm
going to bring up yet again because he is going
to play a role in this backfield. And the guy
that he's not inside the top fifty, the Green Bay

(01:04:00):
Packers didn't do anything to add to their backfield. Marshaun
Lloyd can't hurt his hip, his ankle and everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
You're going to bring up Lloyd, you know that he did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
He did get hurt already. He was he was he
was rehabbing today because I fosted my sleepers and marsh
On Lloyd was one of my sleepers, so I was
gonna bring him up to he's in my top fifty
and somebody commented on X like, well, I'm assuming this
is going to change with the injury news.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
I'm like, what, I didn't see that last I didn't
see it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
He was real he was rehabbing something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
It says he's in the rehab group.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That a good side.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Man. It's it's it's it's August. I don't know what
month it is, but it's it's very far from the
season and you shouldn't already be injured.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
It's, manny, it's August. I don't know what month it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
By the way, we were talking doing a Dynasty Sleepers
episode with me, Bogmin and Fits last week. He shout
out Chris Brooks in the Green Bay backfield as like
a very very deep Dynasty sleeper. So just to talk
with the Green Baite backfield there, we'll hope for health,
you for help man for Marshawn Lake.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Yeah yeah, I'm in if he's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I'm if he's healthy, yeah totally easily.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
What about you, eRx and anybody outside the top fifty
that fits for you, and then we'll get out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
So I don't hate Blake orm So I think that
he's still again. I think one of these rams is
going to pop behind Colrad. So whether it's Korum or Hunter,
I'm gonna drop both guys, and you know, only one
of them means to hit. So I like Korm still,
Braylan Allen gonna be talked about the Jets. They're gonna
really run heavy. Just Braylen Allen, is he a better fit,
you know, as a more traditional early down grinder running back.
I think the lanes opening up for him with Justin

(01:05:34):
Field might actually help him a lot more than necessarily
Breese Hall, who I think, I mean, does he need
to be more explosive. I don't necessarily know that. So
I think Braylen Allen's kind of interesting and just another
guy I mentioned just because it kind of ties into
like the saque Barkley. If if Barkley gets hurt, will
Shipley again, Like if everything comes to fruition with Barkley
not returning from the touches in the workload and he

(01:05:56):
misses games, well, the situation is still really good and
by all accounts, Will Shipley, the guy that drafted last
year is the next guy. And I'm gonna be so
sad if somehow a J. Dillon finds his way into
the lineup. But for right now, I'm in the will
Shipley uh Will Shipley bandwagon. So he's another sleeper. I
wanted highlight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
If AJ Dillon finds his way into that rotation, something
has gone horribly, horribly wrong. It's gonna throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I just want to say outside the top fifty, like
I want to just take as many of the rookies
as I can, Like I want DJ Giddens on teams.
I want want Dylan Sampson, I want Tis Brooks, I
want Kyle Manongai, I want Damian Martinez. Like just I
just want these flyers on, these guys on teams once
you get into this range anyway, j.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Cory Krossky Merrits. Come on, man, j cm I you
guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Gonna bring them up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
When I brought up Brian Robinson, Oh well we had
to wait, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I mean players that i'd be like even like getting
through down the list, like Jordan James Woody Marks, like
I just I just want to take swings on this
rookie class. The non rookie I will say to Justice
Hill RB sixty six, he's been inside.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
The Oh, here we go. I had to get a
raven in no I says, bring up Pete Mitchell instead, come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
On, because I think he'll has the trust of the
team more than more than Mitchell, especially in past protection.
Like even with Derek Henry staying healthy and getting all
the touches, he was inside the top forty running backs
last year, and that was with missing a couple of
games too. Like, I just think he's gonna be He's
like the boring veteran type of value in this range,
but most for the most part, I want rookies here out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Over one and a half Ravens just hit ericson sakash It.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I am just giving people good advice because Justin Hill
is going he is going to outperform MARB sixty six
if he's healthy. I guarantee you all right. We'll wrap
up there because we went long, but good Upsode. We
got through a ton of a ton of running backs there.

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Uh for for Devro and ericson all Ryan warmly thanks
everybody for tuning in. We'll see again next time.

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Go r Raymon.

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