July 8, 2025 • 43 mins
John is back with a Go Low podcast previewing the Scottish Open and talks about how great of a tournament it is as everyone is getting ready for the final Major of the season. Next, John dives into the relationship between the PGA and LIV and how the two are still very far apart on any type of reunion.
Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.
5:54 - Scottish Open Preview
25:57 - LIV Preview
29:47 - Mailbag
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff Little Go Lo podcast. Here's the deal. We're
gonna do a golf podcast today and we will have
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a football podcast a little later in the week, and
then next week we will get back to our regular
schedule program where we'll have a lot more football podcasts
as well of golf podcast as the last major of
the year, and we'll get back to a little rhythm.
But still like Tao sitting in this little office here
about right after lunchtime recording a little pod. So we'll
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talk a little golf today. That's gonna be the plan.
The Scottish Open is this week, one of the best
fields in golf that leads into the Open Championship. Watched
a little bit of the John Deere throughout the week,
actually it was on the background, but then Sunday because
I thought Max Home had a chance to win. And
congrats to Brian Campbell who made a lot of money
this year with his two wins. Live this this this
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week is in Spain. Vold Rama John Ram Spanish. Can
he get the victory? Who are we looking at to
play well so we can bet on them? Next week
We'll dive into that as well as a little at
golo Pod. We'll do a mailback at golo Pod is
the golf Instagram. You can fire in those dms and
get your questions answered here on the show. Very very
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the pond. My buddy that I play all the time
with in scott Jeff Fong, just went over there to Scotland.
They were staying at the Old Course and they played
all around and even though you're freezing and it's wet,
he said, it's incredible. I have never met a human
being that has taken a golf trip to somewhere over
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in that area Scotland, Ireland. Obviously areas in the UK
that isn't blown away by the golf. Why because it's
so different than what we're used to play. It is
extremely enjoyable to watch guys be able to play the
ball on the ground. And I just played golf this
morning in a mountainee course. Everything's in the air, and
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that's most American golf, right you're hitting the ball, your
approach shots, two greens are all airborne, and honestly most
of your chips are airborne. Completely different style of golf.
And it's the one area, maybe besides like band in dunes,
where it can be a driving rainstorm. It can be
insane wins and it's really enjoy to watch. I said
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at the Open, or excuse me, the US Open, that
in theory we like difficult courses. And the more I
thought about it, because I was a little harsh, not
that I don't appreciate how difficult Oakmont is, it's like,
do I really want to watch guys struggle to shoot
four or five over? And my initial reaction that Sunday
was like, Ah, this kind of sucks. I don't need
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eagles every other hole. I mean, obviously, what Augusta brings
to the table we're cool with because it's augustin National
that you can eagle twelve, or you can eagle thirteen,
you can eagle fifteen, you can birdie seventeen. I mean,
they're just fireworks down the stretch and you watch Oakmont,
but as they all said, this is the hardest course
in the world. This doesn't happen very often, and it's
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what really made me appreciate this tournament. I would say
one of the most vivid memories non Tigers as a
child in the nineties was the John Vandervelt meltdown where
he I mean it felt like he was gonna blow it,
which he ended up doing. He actually, ironically the way
we talk about the meltdown, he didn't make the playoffs,
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which is that aggregate four hole playoff in the Open Championship.
But their courses don't look like anything we play. For
those of you that have played band in dunes, you
get out there and you're like, this is such a
unique experience. I can probably count on one hand how
many times I played links golf. Most of us are
just not around it. Every once in a while, an
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area you know throughout America will have a link style
golf course. But part of what makes this so special
is completely guarded against. You know, they need the weather
and luckily over there, the weather is a major major factor,
and I think these guys really appreciate kind of the difference.
And that's why this week the Scottish Open at the
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Renaissance Club is just now one. You know, you're not
just if you're gonna fly over there, you might as
well fly over there ten days early, let your body
clock acclimate and then play in this tournament. But I
mean the last two year. Bob McIntyre won last year,
which was really big, But two years ago Rory won,
and remember he hit one of the best shots. I
think it was on Holy Eighteen on Sunday. He's probably
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ever hitting his career. It was incredible. It might have
been on Saturday, and I think it was on Sunday.
And I just looked over the last two years some
of the names that were even beside Rory winning, that
were in the top three or four. I mean last
year it was like Rory was fourth, Ludwig was fourth,
more CaWO was fourth, and Ludvig kind of fell apart
last year. On Sunday. Two years ago, Scheffler was tied
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for third. So if you are gonna bet this week.
I was kind of looking, it's hard to get a
feel for Rory obviously in a week they're playing at
essentially his hometown. So it's like, I do think we
are going to get a more motivated guy that we
saw kind of over the course of the last two
months where he admitted, this is not no one's playing,
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you know, psychologists from their couch. He's like, yeah, in't
been trying that hard. Kind of hard to grind on
the range. Me and my brother were just talking about it.
Actually playing golf. It's kind of what makes Scotty so unique.
Even Ted Scott's like, hey, he doesn't really care about money.
He made sixty five million dollars on the course last year,
so I would say with Nike bonuses, he's the number
one player in the world all those wins. Let's just
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assume Scotty Cheffer made eighty million dollars and Ted Scott's like,
I'm telling you he does not give a shit, and
clearly when you just watch him go out and grind
and play. Now, granted, his resume is smaller than Rory's,
but Rory kind of admitted I was trying to climb
out Everest, I climb out Everest and how do I
get motivated, which, in a weird way is actually relatable.
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Most human beings would be like Rory McElroy if they
accomplished something they had tried to accomplish the majority of
their life. I'm sure I'd be guilty of this. I'd
probably take a deep breath for a couple of years
or a couple of months at minimum. I think what
we wanted out of Rory was like, could you be Tiger?
You know, help Phil still grinded to like fifty five
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years old? Could you be some of the could you
be Tom Brady? Could you be have that Lebron? How
hard he works? Now we can question like does he
mail in sometimes? But ultimately like we were holding him
to that level and he kind of admitted like I'm
not really wired that way. I do hope we get
a guy again won this tournament two years ago, not
next week, but the Scottish Open, finished top five last
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year and coming into next week where Shane Lowry, his
childhood friend, won and they got murals I follow Lowry
on Instagram. They got murals of his face. Obviously, Rory
famously missed the cut hit it out of bounds. The
first hole was a complete disaster. I do think we
will get a good version of him. I don't necessarily
know this week. The only way to get plus odds
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on him beside to win the tournament. I think he's
like six odds are subject changed, but I looked a
little earlier. He's like seven to one would be to
top five. I don't feel great about it, but I
do think Marikawa, Hovel, and Fleetwood, you can all get
plus odds on those guys to top ten this week.
I think getting momentum coming in. And the other cool
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part about this tournament is JJ Spawn a little bit
of a random winner, though he's had a really good season,
but relative to the top dogs plus you know, one
hundred and twenty to one, no one saw that coming,
including JJ Spawn. But for the most part, and I
think I've pivoted a little bit the US Open. If
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they're playing at Oakmont or they're playing at Shnnacock, maybe
a random guy could win the Masters, and the PG
Championship is kind of established. Rory Bryson, Scottie Zander, the
Big six seven rom if Mara cow is playing well
to be in the mixed Ludwig. You're gonna get the big,
big names all coming down the stretch. The US Open,
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depending on the course, could add some variants. But these
next couple of weeks can definitely add variants because of
the win, because of the different shots you have to hit,
because you can play it so many different ways. It's
what made I thought the John Deer Classic. And for
anyone who's barbecuing and then you know, if you had
a whatever a TV wherever you were at, I think
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it's an easy little background noise. Obviously, the field's not great.
A lot of the names on there, even for me,
I love this shit pretty random. But one thing I
will say about the John Dear Classic in Iowa, of course,
looks sweet. That's one of those courses. We left the
US Open at Oakmont. I would never want to play that.
I could be in Pittsburgh and someone texts me to
I'm a member here. You might just have to say yes,
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to say you've played Oakmont. But that would be if
I never play Oakmont in my entire life. Who cares, right,
it doesn't look like an enjoyable experience. It looks miserable.
I'm watching that tournament in Iowa, thinking I would play
that course a lot. That looks like a fun, tough,
but like fair, enjoyable track. And think about random Brian Campbell.
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I look today, who just won for the second time
this year. Now, granted, he won the Mexico Open and
the John dere Classic in his career. In his career
playing golf, and he's been on and off the tour
for about a decade, he has made under four million dollars,
to be precise, three point four to seven six million
dollars in his entire career playing professional golf on the
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PGA Tour. Now it doesn't count the corn Fairy, but
his earnings on the PGA Tour in twenty twenty five
he won three point one seven four I did the math.
Ninety two percent of his PGA Tour earnings have been
this year. And if you look at his season, it's
essentially been in two tournaments because he's missed half the cuts.
He has not been very good. But it shows you
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if you're gonna get hot and you're gonna be in
the mix, if you're a grandom guy like this, like jj'
spond was gonna play in the PGA Tour for a
long time. He had finished second in multiple events. This year, hell,
he went toe to toe with Rory that JJ spond
had already made fifteen twenty million dollars. Like he was
in the mix, he wasn't going away. Now. Winning the
US Open changes the trajectory of his career. Right now
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he's in the majors for a while. Obviously, when you
win a major, you're always known as a major champion,
so that puts him in a completely different level. But
just winning a PGA Tour event changes your life. Winning
too is a game changer. So Brian Campbell's a good
example that they were showing his stats during the John Deere.
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He hits it as short and swings as soft as
like any guy on the PGA Tour. His ball speed
relative to like guys I was playing with today is
the same. And this is the pushback always of like, well,
we got to roll back the ball. We gotta do this,
like Max Holman. Now, granted Max has not had a
good season. He has played extremely poorly for the standards
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of a guy that's a President cupper, that's a Ryder cupper,
a guy that's won a ton on the PGA Tour.
Tough golf courses. But Max was right there in the
mix right now. He didn't play well down the stretch,
miss some putts, got a little squirrely off the tee.
It was enjoyable to watch Max. For me, like I
was more dialed into that tournament than I would have
on Sunday because of Homa. I don't know, I'm watching
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Lipski and Brian Campbell duel it out while I'm on vacation.
But we were kind of hanging out of the house
Sunday went for early morning walk.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'll be like, you know what, I'll watch home because
I kind of thought he was gonna win, and watching
Campbell hit one of the better shots down the stretch
on that pour five, I think it's whole sixteen incredible seventeen.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was an incredible shot and he missed the putt,
but really cool to watch. And I think sometimes we
get so caught up with Bryson and Rory and these
guys that hit three hundred and fifty yards. The name
of the game isn't just hitting a three and and
fifty yards. You got to score. You got to get
the ball into the hole. And clearly, Brian Campbell in
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two moments when he's at an opportunity to win. He's
won two, he's won twice this year, and they've both
been in playoffs. So what an incredible experience. And this
is the peak of his life, which decent chance. Looking
at his resume, it might be doesn't get any better
because obviously JJ spawn best case scenario for a somewhat
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random guy. I'm a major champion. The next best thing.
I won on the PGA Tour twice, not once. Because listen,
if you ever met a guy you were playing with
him and he was fifty sixty however years old, and
he said I won on the PGA Tour, that'd be
an incredible accomplishment. I don't give a shit, you know,
beside the majors, you don't ask like, well, what was
the strength of feel? Now, obviously there are some tournaments
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that are cooler to win than others, like I won
at Pebble Beach, I want at Tory Pines, I won
at the Players. But if you just met a guy
and said, yeah, I won twice on the PJ Tour,
he'd be like, holy shit, this guy can play. So
congrats to Brian Campbell. The John Dear Classic just an
easy watch. One of those tournaments where you know, typically
you'd find a guy like Meva, I'm like shitting on me,
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like that sucks. We're gonna watch it, John Dear Classic.
I was watching and thinking like, this is a pretty
good little tournament, pretty good little tournament. And listen, not
everything on the PGA Tour, which is having a great
year from a ratings standpoint, needs to be the players.
He needs to be Pebble Beach needs to be the memorial. Obviously,
most of those tournaments aren't even the majors. There's a
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different level. We all embrace what these levels are. And
it's on now. The new Commissioner slash CEO whatever you
want to consider him, the boss, you know, kind of
figure out the ebb and flow of this, and I
would imagine he's gonna have some ideas on how to
change this. We know he's working hand in hand, you know,
with Tiger, and he spoke over the last couple of weeks.
I don't think we talked about it last week, but
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he said what we all kind of know that we're
no closer to getting reunification. Right. The one thing lives
big on is this team element, and clearly the Tiger
and kind of that group does not want to come back.
And some of the guys. I saw Lucas Glover, who's
you know, one a ton on tour major champion, said like,
I don't ever want to play with those guys again,
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and I think you would. He's not alone, he's just
he has a serious radio show, so he's willing to say.
You know, some guys believe that, and they're not gonna
kind of relent off that. Which listen, we all well,
when you're in a business like golf that is so
many individuals, your opinions are going to be all over
the place. Like in football, for example, whenever they have
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the CBA right, who speaks for the players? Well, the
rich guys right? Why do you think which was the
right move? But in twenty eleven, one of the biggest
things they did was put a rookie scale, like we're
not paying these guys eighty ninety million dollars anymore, giving
these guys, you know what, Matt Stafford and no Dominkan
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Sue and JaMarcus Russell, those guys getting those contracts in
the two thousands. Who do you think was the driving
force to change that? All the veteran players that were
in charge in twenty eleven, which again, if I was
in their shoes, the right business move, but like if
they wouldn't have pushed for it, that wouldn't have changed.
Now there were some, you know, mistakes. We're in the
golf situation. The only thing they're talking about is like
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the unification because the money's flowing at a crazy amount
right these the setup now with these elevated events where
the small percentage of high level guys that the money distribution.
I mean, they don't even need to do that. Whatever
the PIP, which was the dumbest fucking thing ever, Tiger
barely played news winning it every year. They just tried
to equal what the live guys were making because as
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we saw last week, Patrick Reid won four million dollars
or a couple weeks ago, and it's like you got
to win a major to win four million dollars. And
that's why they did those elevated events to pay out.
I think it's like three point seven or three point
eight and second gets like two point two, So it's
it's all comes about money. You have some hurt feelings,
but I've been beating the drum on this none of
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us give a shit, right, none of us care. I
just want to see the best fields in golf. I
want to see these guys play together. It's what makes
Next Week so cool. We get four times a year
where you can see Rory, you can see Scotty, and
you can see Bryson and John Rong Like. I want
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we take some of you guys questions. Live this week
is in Valdorama and I was looking. Actually, last last
year John Rahm for the first time, if I remember correctly,
it was a little bit of a back back door
top ten, but it was when he kind of showed
signs of life. I think he finished seventh last year
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at the Open. John Ram won. Valderama is in Spain.
He's Spanish, you know, he grew up watching guys play
at this tournament. I mean there's a legend. Ninety seven
Ryder Cup Sergio won here last year for the live event.
This course is sweet and I do think that John Rahm,
who top ten streak actually broke in Dallas. To me,
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if he shows plays well, which I would expect him
to do, he's a guy I like a lot next week.
I mean, he's a guy that I plan on hammering
for top five and top ten. If he's in the
mix this week and playing well, I don't care enough,
you know, whether he wins or loses, you know, just
lose a golf tournament. But like if he finishes fourth
or seventh, it would mean the same to me. But
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he's a guy that I like a lot going into
Royal Port Rush. And the other guy is Terrell hadden't Terrell.
Hadden's a guy. I think both those two guys, if
they are playing well this week, they are auto hammers
for me going into the Open to top five and
top ten. I mean, Hadden's played well this year in
the majors. Obviously John Ram that as well, had was
right there in the mix with nine holes to go
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against Scotti at the PGA Championship. To me, Bryson when
it comes to not as much valderrama, but when they
get to the Open in a week, that could be
hard for him because his style is very American driven
and with the Open, one thing being the scientist like
one thing that makes John Ram such a special player,
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and I would say the same thing for Hadden is
they are old school golfers like Terrell Hadton and obviously
John Rom would have been awesome players in the seventies,
would have been awesome players in the nineties because they
just they got all the shots. And even John Rahm,
like he's like you say, I can't hit a draw,
he can hit a draw. And I just think they
can work the ball both ways. Their comfortability playing in
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different styles in different weather that's gonna be a problem
for Bryson because you can't scientifically hack how hard the
weather is, the greens aren't as fast. It's all based
on wind, rain and water. Really fuck him up till
Bryson is a guy this stretch or I kind of
stay away. It doesn't mean that if things break his
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way he can't dial in. Wouldn't shock me if he
plays well at vald Rama, but I think going for
the Open Championship, you know, I love hammering him and
I've made a lot of money on Bryson over the
last two years. But relative to live this week, don't
hate him to be in the mix. But in terms
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of playing at Royal Port Rush, I struggle with him
in the Open. I mean historically he's never played that well.
I just think it's really really difficult for him. Just
he's got a lot going on right where John Rahm
could just pick up my set of clubs, go out
and play anywhere and just be comfortable. Why Because he's
just he's he's a player, you know, an old school
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player in the sense of like he's much more of
a field player. I remember watching something at Arizona State
where they do this drill where you hit to different
yardages based on feel and the coach would be like
ninety yards, and then there's no like ninety yards. You
just have to do it on your own. And that's
why I think, you know, I wouldn't shock me at
all if John ram Is wins at Worldport Rush so
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excited to watch these guys. To me, Hatton and Rahm
are the two guys I'm all over at Beldorama. Okay,
let's answer some of your questions at golo Pod. At
golopod is the Instagram, Fire in those dms and get
your questions answered here on this little old podcast. I'm
twenty one years old. I've been golfing for three I've
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been addicted since day one. Feel you, Doug. Last year
I hit the bullet and spent and spent upwards of
twenty five hundred on my bad completely worth it in
my opinion. I play every day and can afford it,
but it's definitely not easy. A lot of fucking money
and I'm twenty one, that is, I hear you. Here's
my problem. My dad recently moved across the country to Texas.
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He wants me to fly my clubs when I come
to see him. I instantly turned that down. Stating I'm
not risking my clubs like that because they mean a
lot to me. I've heard countless stories of airlines losing
or ruining clubs. He looks at it this way. He
looks at it in the way that I don't want
a golfer them. He did kind of get me into
the game, and I can sense some animosity coming from him.
(24:44):
My view of the situation is I spent a bunch
of money, worked really hard for my clubs. You would
know as a golfer you grow a connection almost with
your clubs. I agree. Two questions based off this information.
Do you fly with your clubs? If yes, how who
is the asshole in the situation? Shoot me straight. I
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fly everyone with my clubs. And I don't know how
much it costs. I don't remember. I don't want to
say it's like a hundred bucks. But I have like
a big hard carrying case. They have multiple different carrying cases, right,
I remember my dad, like twenty years ago, had a
softer one. I got a hard one that basically is
like a piece of luggage shape like a golf club,
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and I throw my golf clubs in there and it's
pretty sturdy. I've flown them to all across the country
to Hawaii. I flew him here with me to Sacramento.
I don't hesitate to fly my clubs and have never
had an issue. And then I also use because the Southwest,
you get a free bag, but I throw clothes and
choose and shit in there, so you almost use it
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like a luggage. And I have never had an issue.
I've never lost club. Now I'm not I'm flying my
clubs once or twice a year, so I'm not super
aggressive with flying amount. I think if you see some
of the clips on like social media, it could really
scare you. But I would say most people that my
friends and who I play with have flown their clubs
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all over the place and never had an issue. I
completely understand. I didn't have twenty five hundred dollars when
I was twenty one. I would not have had that
much money. The clubs I played with at twenty one
were my clubs from when I was like fifteen years
old that I basically played with until my late twenties
until I bought a set of clubs, might even have
(26:32):
been early thirties. I mean I had the same set
of clubs for like fifteen years, so I completely understand
you spend a boatload of money. But from my experience,
I don't speak for everybody. I have never had a
bad experience flying my clubs, never had them broken. But
I also I don't want to shoot you. It wasn't outrageous.
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I mean, at most maybe a couple hundred bucks maybe,
And again I've had this thing now for five six years,
so maybe with inflation more money. But if you get
a hard case traveling case for golf clubs, it basically
stands up straight, you can roll it. It's easy to use.
I honestly have never had an issue, and if anything,
it's benefited me because I've been able to put other stuff.
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I've played in Tennessee, I've played in Texas, obviously, if
I flew into Arizona before I moved there, flying back
to California, I've flown into Hawaii. I have no issues
and I don't hesitate flying them. But I totally understand
where you're coming from. I would say, if you get
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the right case, won't you won't worry about it. Needs
some coffee. I got up this morning about five thirty.
We actually played. We're the second group off this morning
and we played behind MAV mcneely's dad, and I guess
Mav McNeely was out. We played Inclined Village. If you're
ever up in this part of Tahoe, nice little resort course.
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It's not that long, it's a little tight. But I
guess Mav, who's I'm sure he's in this Scottish Open,
was out there a couple days ago, just dominating this
course for the mailbag. For some reason, the entire rollback
initiate initiation infuriates me, not because they care how these
guys are hitting it, but because it feels like the
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PGA and their associated media are calling for the sweeping
change to a problem that one they created and two
will have no effect on the actual issue. This is
a TV broadcast problem, not an issue with the distance
off the tee. Nobody would have any clue a guy
is hitting a pitching wedge or an eight iron into
a green unless the screen told them. It does not matter.
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What we want is variability and uncertainty of the outcomes.
That's why it's difficult. That's why difficult major setups are appealing,
not because Rombo hit it three h five or three
twenty five Secondly, the rollback only hurts the short hitters.
Those guys would have even longer club in their hand.
Good luck with your fore iron into every part four.
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It feels like small greens, more tees and strategically placed
trees would be much better equalizer. Curious on your thoughts, Well,
if I was playing their role, what are you gonna do?
Every course they play shrink the greens. That's not the course.
The greens are the greens. And the thing with trees,
anyone who's played an older course knows a huge advantage
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they have are their old trees that are tall. Well,
some of these, like look at Oakmont, there's not a
tree on the course, so you can't like just add
I mean, technically you could if you're like Augusta, but
I do think it gets really expensive. Also, most of
these courses, I mean, I guess there are some public right,
Tory Pines is public, TPC Scottsdale's public, the players is public.
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But a lot of these courses Pebble's public. So even
if they're public, were the majority of the play at tpc' Scottsdale,
at Tory Pines, at Memorial, at Oakmont out wherever is
not these guys, it's me, it's you, it's public courses,
it's whoever at these private courses, at Memorial, at you
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name it, it's the members. Right. So those guys like
Oakmant's a bad example, that's an outlire. But most of
these other courses, those courses play to us, not to
those guys like Maverick McNeely. If you hadn't I shot
eighty today and I triple bogey, whole seventeen disaster should
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have been much better. But I looked at my brother
about whole seven or eight. I'm like, Matt McNeely would
fucking destroy this place? And not because he's just hitting
super long and where in the mountains, Because like those
guys are destroying every place. So there aren't many courses
that you can put a top one hundred PGA tour player,
let alone the top thirty or forty guys that they're
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not gonna eat alive. And even if it's long, like
Colin moorek Cowan, Scottie Scheffer, even if they have a
five or six iron in their hand, at worst they're
gonna be thirty feet and two butt and some of
the times it's gonna roll into fifteen ten feet and
they're gonna make the putt. So these guys are so good.
It isn't Jack Nicholas and Lee Trevino and the days
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of guys hitting four iron from one hundred and ninety
those days are dead. We's got to embrace it. There's
not much you can do to roll it back, especially
if it carries into us. Just slid it be. It
is what it is now. If you tell me, and
this is what I've always assumed, are they gonna be
hitting it? Let's say the average distance on tour is
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three oh eight or three ten, Well in fifteen years,
is that number gonna be three thirty? If you tell
me that, and then the top guys are hitting it
three seventy, then yeah, if thirty percent of the PGA
tours hit at three seventy or three sixty, yeah, we'd
have a problem. It just would be too easy. Most
of these courses. I do think we've topped out. I
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do think we've topped out. Could be wrong, and maybe
maybe that would be their argument. But my take is
I don't think it ever actually happens. Like the majority
of people. I'm a big Deshambo guy. I've been following
him his entire career from the beginning when he used
to wear the Ben Hogan hat. My question is for you,
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if you had to bet over under four and a
half majors he finishes his career with, well, he's got two,
and obviously watching him the last couple of years, it's hard.
I would say he's a lock. I would bet my
life savings he wins another one, you know, unless he
has a major injury. If he's healthy for the next
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five years, d Chambau is a lock to win another.
I think winning multiple majors is just difficult, right, And
when you look at the guys he has to beat,
assuming role, he keeps trying. Scotty's in the peak of
his powers. John Rahm is like trying to get back there.
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I would imagine we will have a player or two
that's young kind of come up. Hovelin's kind of figuring
it out. You know, Xander has had a weird year
because he's not healthy, but Xander is still really good.
That four and a half number, If you told me
bryceon d Chambeau ends his career with four, believable, I
would say that four or five. I'd say that's a
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good over under. I'd say that's a good over under.
I'd say it'd be between four and five. Neither would
yock me. I think if he ends his career of five,
it'd be pretty pretty impressive. It's just hard to win
him because even when you're in the mix, like his
second major probably shouldn't have gone his way, right, and
I guess he was right there against Andander in the
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PGA last year. It's kind of chasing him a little bit.
I guess he's played a lot better at the Masters
the last couple of years. I wonder if you told
him this, you could have four, but one of them
will be the Masters. So you have won two US Opens,
you win the Masters, and the probably win a PGA.
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Or you could have four and you'd be like a Kopka.
You get three US Opens and two PGAs. What would
you rather take? I think being a history, I think
you'd take I'd rather have four in one being the Masters,
especially after I've already won multiple US Opens. I think
the thing that will change his life, because it does
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feel like he's gonna win a PGA. It feels like
the PGA Championship one of these, like he's gonna win it.
Can he win the Masters? Because if bryceon D Chambeau
wins the Masters, I think that changes the way because
he's already a Hall of Famer, won a bunch multiple majors,
ton of played well in majors. To me, Can'ty win them?
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I think the bigger question on over under majors is
can't he win the Masters? And I think watching the
last couple of years, the answer is, yeah, you can't.
And if I was a betting man, I think his
Masters would be at point five. I'd probably take the over.
I think Bryce and d Chambeau eventually wins the Masters.
Question for the bag. Currently watching the Open from fourteen
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on the Golf Channel, strange to watch Rory and Ricky
paired together over ten years ago. What's even more strange
is the dramatic change in equipment and outfits Ricky's orange pumadeer.
It feels like a lifetime ago. My question is this,
do you foresee the changes coming in professional golf in
general when it comes to emerging stars, live PGA, new commissioner, equipment,
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and any new brands emerging. As a Travis Matthew snob,
I'd love to see a more affordable golf apparel brand.
It's a struggle out there on the streets, Big Travis Matthews. Guy,
that's a good question. I think inflation hit a lot
of different areas hard. I would say no areas ith
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ordered golf obviously, golf courses depending on where you live.
I mean, the shitty fifty dollars courses all doubled, the
one hundred dollars courses all went to two hundred, the
two hundred dollars courses went to four hundred. You know,
the clothing went up thirty forty to fifty eighty percent.
I don't think, at least in the foreseeable future. I
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guess a huge recession could happen. But seeing that that
type stuff's going to come back to earth, I do think,
and I'd put a longer horizon on this, there will
be some sort of reunification over the next five years.
You know. I think people were hoping for it being
next year a couple of years ago. Clearly not happening.
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Lives not going anywhere. But one thing will be very
interesting is their contract. Like when Kepka's contract ends, does
it come back? You know, when DJ's contract ends. As
you retire, what does Bryson do. He's already openly talked
about he's in negotiations. I mean, he's their most important guy.
Ro just signed last year, so he's got a four
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year contract. What happens with some of those older guys,
you know, Live's gonna have some ope? Is Sergio Poulter
or Lee West? Are they gonna play till they're Louis
till they're like fifty five? I don't know, so I
I would guess. I've said this before what I would do.
And this is the problem because the PJ Tour guys
don't want to give in. Like if I'm the new commissioner,
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it's like, hey, guys, this is about the business model.
I am going to lift every suspension Like Lee West
with Sergio that doesn't matter tho those days don't even
want to play. But hey, Bryson, do you want to
play at Pebble Beach? Do you want to play at
Torrey Pines? Hey John Rum you live fucking five minutes away?
Do you want to play the Waste Management which is
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your home tournament, which Ram has talked about is hard
for him to drive by and Frank Lloyd Wright realize
that I don't get to play that tournament. You're allowed
to like open that tournament to the all the Florida guys.
Do you guys want to play the you guys want
to play Arnold Palmer? Do you want to play the Honda?
They'd probably say no, you want to play the players?
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Maybe now even to give the players, but like give
the option to that. That That's how I would start. Now, Tiger,
who is? I mean, here's the problem. We all answer
to somebody, right, whether it's in your home or whether
it's in business. I don't care who you are. Ninety
nine point ninety nine percent of business owners kind of
have someone, even if they're not quote unquote above them,
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the person they do business with. It's by far the
most important that if ever something changed, would dramatically impact it.
So even though this guy's the CEO slash commissioner, like
he's gonna do something that Tiger doesn't want. Every picture
I've seen with this guy, Tiger's right there. Do you
think Tiger would have vocated it? Like? Tiger's a huge
driving force to this operation, especially now that his career
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physically is kind of over. So to me, he has
a huge influence, Like Arthur blank Is. You know, guys
like that are just looking at the numbers. Tiger kind
of adds business sense. I mean he's a billionaire, but
like what we want as players, and he speaks for
the group of like, yeah, you know, he's making it
difficult for the unification. Like I don't think he's disagree
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with Lucas Glover. You guys left, so be it. That
was your choice. We're here, so they would they would
probably look at me. You recommend lifting the suspensions, double
middle fingers, No way, that would be what I would do,
or maybe even this, maybe not a full lift of
the suspension. Hey, any two events, any two PGA Tour events,
Any of you guys want to play rom Hattan, Bryson,
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DJ Koepka obviously you know all the young guy Joaquin
Neeman who's won it Riviera before. You're welcome to play
if you want to play. If you guys don't have
a live event going, that's that's so easy. It doesn't
need to be that difficult. Like everyone's got their money,
everyone got rich, everyone's rich. Hell, Brian Campbell's made three
million dollars. Brian fucking Campbell three point one million dollars.
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This year three point one MILLI make it easier, That's
what I would do. My guess is, though that's not
gonna happen. Did you say recently on a pod that
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you used Turo on a trip any issues? I've used
it multiple times. There's no free ads, but it's basically
just instead of a rental car, it's you rent the
car through someone else and you can pick whatever car
you want, and it's better deal sometimes than Hertseramus. And
you get off the plane and you walk to Typically
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sometimes they drop it off right in front of you.
Sometimes you pick it up the parking lot. I've used
it in before in Arizona when I wasn't living there.
I've used in Nashville. I've used it in Reno. Also
to the guy that asked me about the clubs I flew.
My club was a month ago to Reno with me,
and I played here with my brother in law, Matt.
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So Turo's been I know a lot of people that
use it. Doesn't get any easier. Okay, last question greetings
from Dallas. Although he never do it, do you think
Tiger would be able to contend if he agreed to
ride into carts? Specifically, majors. I asked this because you
always hear other pro state that he can still hit
all the shots. I would say, no, one, he's not
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playing enough so his game it's impossible to be dialed
at fifty years old, at the level in which he
has to compete when he's not able to practice. Obviously
now that he tours Achilles, but even before he tore
his achilles, I do think the shattering of the ankle
when he flipped the Genesis end of his career. Obviously
he played after that, but I mean before that injury,
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I would say one hundred percent Tiger was gonna win again.
I mean, he had won the Masters in nineteen, he
had almost won the British Open in twenty eighteen, he
had won the Tour Championship in twenty eighteen. He had
gone toe to toe with Brooks in twenty eighteen at
the PGA Championship. Like he was. He was a Tiger
Woods of two thousand two or two thousand and six
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or nineteen ninety eight. But he was fucking good. And
I think that injury derailed the next five years. Now,
maybe by this time he physically wouldn't have been the same,
you know, maybe other injuries. But I do think twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two Tiger Woods one hundred
percent would have won again regular event, potentially another major,
potentially maybe two majors, because how smart he was, because
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how good he was. I think he still has all
the shots that he's on the range again before he
tore his achilles. But I don't think even with a
cart I just don't think so. He just not as crisp.
And I think if you were having a cocktail with him,
even as prideful as he is, he would admit that,
which is sad. I mean, it's really sad. And mean,
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the guys lived about fifty lives. So I'm just glad
that we got to witness twenty nineteen, and then sadly
it ended on that was it rainy day? I don't
even know if it was a rainy day, but I
doubt it was rain I don't think it was. It
was just that hill, you know, in early it was
January or February of twenty twenty. It's never been the
same and it never will be the same. And that's
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why I think he's in a weird way, unofficially kind
of retired at this point, so yeah, we'll have a
podcast out later this week and enjoy enjoy the Summer
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then next week we will get back to our regular
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as well of golf podcast as the last major of
the year, and we'll get back to a little rhythm.
But still like Tao sitting in this little office here
about right after lunchtime recording a little pod. So we'll
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talk a little golf today. That's gonna be the plan.
The Scottish Open is this week, one of the best
fields in golf that leads into the Open Championship. Watched
a little bit of the John Deere throughout the week,
actually it was on the background, but then Sunday because
I thought Max Home had a chance to win. And
congrats to Brian Campbell who made a lot of money
this year with his two wins. Live this this this
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They were staying at the Old Course and they played
all around and even though you're freezing and it's wet,
he said, it's incredible. I have never met a human
being that has taken a golf trip to somewhere over
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in that area Scotland, Ireland. Obviously areas in the UK
that isn't blown away by the golf. Why because it's
so different than what we're used to play. It is
extremely enjoyable to watch guys be able to play the
ball on the ground. And I just played golf this
morning in a mountainee course. Everything's in the air, and
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that's most American golf, right you're hitting the ball, your
approach shots, two greens are all airborne, and honestly most
of your chips are airborne. Completely different style of golf.
And it's the one area, maybe besides like band in dunes,
where it can be a driving rainstorm. It can be
insane wins and it's really enjoy to watch. I said
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at the Open, or excuse me, the US Open, that
in theory we like difficult courses. And the more I
thought about it, because I was a little harsh, not
that I don't appreciate how difficult Oakmont is, it's like,
do I really want to watch guys struggle to shoot
four or five over? And my initial reaction that Sunday
was like, Ah, this kind of sucks. I don't need
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eagles every other hole. I mean, obviously, what Augusta brings
to the table we're cool with because it's augustin National
that you can eagle twelve, or you can eagle thirteen,
you can eagle fifteen, you can birdie seventeen. I mean,
they're just fireworks down the stretch and you watch Oakmont,
but as they all said, this is the hardest course
in the world. This doesn't happen very often, and it's
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what really made me appreciate this tournament. I would say
one of the most vivid memories non Tigers as a
child in the nineties was the John Vandervelt meltdown where
he I mean it felt like he was gonna blow it,
which he ended up doing. He actually, ironically the way
we talk about the meltdown, he didn't make the playoffs,
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which is that aggregate four hole playoff in the Open Championship.
But their courses don't look like anything we play. For
those of you that have played band in dunes, you
get out there and you're like, this is such a
unique experience. I can probably count on one hand how
many times I played links golf. Most of us are
just not around it. Every once in a while, an
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area you know throughout America will have a link style
golf course. But part of what makes this so special
is completely guarded against. You know, they need the weather
and luckily over there, the weather is a major major factor,
and I think these guys really appreciate kind of the difference.
And that's why this week the Scottish Open at the
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Renaissance Club is just now one. You know, you're not
just if you're gonna fly over there, you might as
well fly over there ten days early, let your body
clock acclimate and then play in this tournament. But I
mean the last two year. Bob McIntyre won last year,
which was really big, But two years ago Rory won,
and remember he hit one of the best shots. I
think it was on Holy Eighteen on Sunday. He's probably
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ever hitting his career. It was incredible. It might have
been on Saturday, and I think it was on Sunday.
And I just looked over the last two years some
of the names that were even beside Rory winning, that
were in the top three or four. I mean last
year it was like Rory was fourth, Ludwig was fourth,
more CaWO was fourth, and Ludvig kind of fell apart
last year. On Sunday. Two years ago, Scheffler was tied
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for third. So if you are gonna bet this week.
I was kind of looking, it's hard to get a
feel for Rory obviously in a week they're playing at
essentially his hometown. So it's like, I do think we
are going to get a more motivated guy that we
saw kind of over the course of the last two
months where he admitted, this is not no one's playing,
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you know, psychologists from their couch. He's like, yeah, in't
been trying that hard. Kind of hard to grind on
the range. Me and my brother were just talking about it.
Actually playing golf. It's kind of what makes Scotty so unique.
Even Ted Scott's like, hey, he doesn't really care about money.
He made sixty five million dollars on the course last year,
so I would say with Nike bonuses, he's the number
one player in the world all those wins. Let's just
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assume Scotty Cheffer made eighty million dollars and Ted Scott's like,
I'm telling you he does not give a shit, and
clearly when you just watch him go out and grind
and play. Now, granted, his resume is smaller than Rory's,
but Rory kind of admitted I was trying to climb
out Everest, I climb out Everest and how do I
get motivated, which, in a weird way is actually relatable.
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Most human beings would be like Rory McElroy if they
accomplished something they had tried to accomplish the majority of
their life. I'm sure I'd be guilty of this. I'd
probably take a deep breath for a couple of years
or a couple of months at minimum. I think what
we wanted out of Rory was like, could you be Tiger?
You know, help Phil still grinded to like fifty five
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years old? Could you be some of the could you
be Tom Brady? Could you be have that Lebron? How
hard he works? Now we can question like does he
mail in sometimes? But ultimately like we were holding him
to that level and he kind of admitted like I'm
not really wired that way. I do hope we get
a guy again won this tournament two years ago, not
next week, but the Scottish Open, finished top five last
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year and coming into next week where Shane Lowry, his
childhood friend, won and they got murals I follow Lowry
on Instagram. They got murals of his face. Obviously, Rory
famously missed the cut hit it out of bounds. The
first hole was a complete disaster. I do think we
will get a good version of him. I don't necessarily
know this week. The only way to get plus odds
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on him beside to win the tournament. I think he's
like six odds are subject changed, but I looked a
little earlier. He's like seven to one would be to
top five. I don't feel great about it, but I
do think Marikawa, Hovel, and Fleetwood, you can all get
plus odds on those guys to top ten this week.
I think getting momentum coming in. And the other cool
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part about this tournament is JJ Spawn a little bit
of a random winner, though he's had a really good season,
but relative to the top dogs plus you know, one
hundred and twenty to one, no one saw that coming,
including JJ Spawn. But for the most part, and I
think I've pivoted a little bit the US Open. If
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they're playing at Oakmont or they're playing at Shnnacock, maybe
a random guy could win the Masters, and the PG
Championship is kind of established. Rory Bryson, Scottie Zander, the
Big six seven rom if Mara cow is playing well
to be in the mixed Ludwig. You're gonna get the big,
big names all coming down the stretch. The US Open,
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depending on the course, could add some variants. But these
next couple of weeks can definitely add variants because of
the win, because of the different shots you have to hit,
because you can play it so many different ways. It's
what made I thought the John Deer Classic. And for
anyone who's barbecuing and then you know, if you had
a whatever a TV wherever you were at, I think
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it's an easy little background noise. Obviously, the field's not great.
A lot of the names on there, even for me,
I love this shit pretty random. But one thing I
will say about the John Dear Classic in Iowa, of course,
looks sweet. That's one of those courses. We left the
US Open at Oakmont. I would never want to play that.
I could be in Pittsburgh and someone texts me to
I'm a member here. You might just have to say yes,
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to say you've played Oakmont. But that would be if
I never play Oakmont in my entire life. Who cares, right,
it doesn't look like an enjoyable experience. It looks miserable.
I'm watching that tournament in Iowa, thinking I would play
that course a lot. That looks like a fun, tough,
but like fair, enjoyable track. And think about random Brian Campbell.
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I look today, who just won for the second time
this year. Now, granted, he won the Mexico Open and
the John dere Classic in his career. In his career
playing golf, and he's been on and off the tour
for about a decade, he has made under four million dollars,
to be precise, three point four to seven six million
dollars in his entire career playing professional golf on the
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PGA Tour. Now it doesn't count the corn Fairy, but
his earnings on the PGA Tour in twenty twenty five
he won three point one seven four I did the math.
Ninety two percent of his PGA Tour earnings have been
this year. And if you look at his season, it's
essentially been in two tournaments because he's missed half the cuts.
He has not been very good. But it shows you
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if you're gonna get hot and you're gonna be in
the mix, if you're a grandom guy like this, like jj'
spond was gonna play in the PGA Tour for a
long time. He had finished second in multiple events. This year, hell,
he went toe to toe with Rory that JJ spond
had already made fifteen twenty million dollars. Like he was
in the mix, he wasn't going away. Now. Winning the
US Open changes the trajectory of his career. Right now
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he's in the majors for a while. Obviously, when you
win a major, you're always known as a major champion,
so that puts him in a completely different level. But
just winning a PGA Tour event changes your life. Winning
too is a game changer. So Brian Campbell's a good
example that they were showing his stats during the John Deere.
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He hits it as short and swings as soft as
like any guy on the PGA Tour. His ball speed
relative to like guys I was playing with today is
the same. And this is the pushback always of like, well,
we got to roll back the ball. We gotta do this,
like Max Holman. Now, granted Max has not had a
good season. He has played extremely poorly for the standards
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of a guy that's a President cupper, that's a Ryder cupper,
a guy that's won a ton on the PGA Tour.
Tough golf courses. But Max was right there in the
mix right now. He didn't play well down the stretch,
miss some putts, got a little squirrely off the tee.
It was enjoyable to watch Max. For me, like I
was more dialed into that tournament than I would have
on Sunday because of Homa. I don't know, I'm watching
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Lipski and Brian Campbell duel it out while I'm on vacation.
But we were kind of hanging out of the house
Sunday went for early morning walk.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'll be like, you know what, I'll watch home because
I kind of thought he was gonna win, and watching
Campbell hit one of the better shots down the stretch
on that pour five, I think it's whole sixteen incredible seventeen.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was an incredible shot and he missed the putt,
but really cool to watch. And I think sometimes we
get so caught up with Bryson and Rory and these
guys that hit three hundred and fifty yards. The name
of the game isn't just hitting a three and and
fifty yards. You got to score. You got to get
the ball into the hole. And clearly, Brian Campbell in
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two moments when he's at an opportunity to win. He's
won two, he's won twice this year, and they've both
been in playoffs. So what an incredible experience. And this
is the peak of his life, which decent chance. Looking
at his resume, it might be doesn't get any better
because obviously JJ spawn best case scenario for a somewhat
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random guy. I'm a major champion. The next best thing.
I won on the PGA Tour twice, not once. Because listen,
if you ever met a guy you were playing with
him and he was fifty sixty however years old, and
he said I won on the PGA Tour, that'd be
an incredible accomplishment. I don't give a shit, you know,
beside the majors, you don't ask like, well, what was
the strength of feel? Now, obviously there are some tournaments
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that are cooler to win than others, like I won
at Pebble Beach, I want at Tory Pines, I won
at the Players. But if you just met a guy
and said, yeah, I won twice on the PJ Tour,
he'd be like, holy shit, this guy can play. So
congrats to Brian Campbell. The John Dear Classic just an
easy watch. One of those tournaments where you know, typically
you'd find a guy like Meva, I'm like shitting on me,
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like that sucks. We're gonna watch it, John Dear Classic.
I was watching and thinking like, this is a pretty
good little tournament, pretty good little tournament. And listen, not
everything on the PGA Tour, which is having a great
year from a ratings standpoint, needs to be the players.
He needs to be Pebble Beach needs to be the memorial. Obviously,
most of those tournaments aren't even the majors. There's a
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different level. We all embrace what these levels are. And
it's on now. The new Commissioner slash CEO whatever you
want to consider him, the boss, you know, kind of
figure out the ebb and flow of this, and I
would imagine he's gonna have some ideas on how to
change this. We know he's working hand in hand, you know,
with Tiger, and he spoke over the last couple of weeks.
I don't think we talked about it last week, but
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he said what we all kind of know that we're
no closer to getting reunification. Right. The one thing lives
big on is this team element, and clearly the Tiger
and kind of that group does not want to come back.
And some of the guys. I saw Lucas Glover, who's
you know, one a ton on tour major champion, said like,
I don't ever want to play with those guys again,
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and I think you would. He's not alone, he's just
he has a serious radio show, so he's willing to say.
You know, some guys believe that, and they're not gonna
kind of relent off that. Which listen, we all well,
when you're in a business like golf that is so
many individuals, your opinions are going to be all over
the place. Like in football, for example, whenever they have
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the CBA right, who speaks for the players? Well, the
rich guys right? Why do you think which was the
right move? But in twenty eleven, one of the biggest
things they did was put a rookie scale, like we're
not paying these guys eighty ninety million dollars anymore, giving
these guys, you know what, Matt Stafford and no Dominkan
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Sue and JaMarcus Russell, those guys getting those contracts in
the two thousands. Who do you think was the driving
force to change that? All the veteran players that were
in charge in twenty eleven, which again, if I was
in their shoes, the right business move, but like if
they wouldn't have pushed for it, that wouldn't have changed.
Now there were some, you know, mistakes. We're in the
golf situation. The only thing they're talking about is like
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the unification because the money's flowing at a crazy amount
right these the setup now with these elevated events where
the small percentage of high level guys that the money distribution.
I mean, they don't even need to do that. Whatever
the PIP, which was the dumbest fucking thing ever, Tiger
barely played news winning it every year. They just tried
to equal what the live guys were making because as
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we saw last week, Patrick Reid won four million dollars
or a couple weeks ago, and it's like you got
to win a major to win four million dollars. And
that's why they did those elevated events to pay out.
I think it's like three point seven or three point
eight and second gets like two point two, So it's
it's all comes about money. You have some hurt feelings,
but I've been beating the drum on this none of
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Next Week so cool. We get four times a year
where you can see Rory, you can see Scotty, and
you can see Bryson and John Rong Like. I want
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see dk NG dot co. Slash audio. Okay, let's before
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we take some of you guys questions. Live this week
is in Valdorama and I was looking. Actually, last last
year John Rahm for the first time, if I remember correctly,
it was a little bit of a back back door
top ten, but it was when he kind of showed
signs of life. I think he finished seventh last year
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at the Open. John Ram won. Valderama is in Spain.
He's Spanish, you know, he grew up watching guys play
at this tournament. I mean there's a legend. Ninety seven
Ryder Cup Sergio won here last year for the live event.
This course is sweet and I do think that John Rahm,
who top ten streak actually broke in Dallas. To me,
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if he shows plays well, which I would expect him
to do, he's a guy I like a lot next week.
I mean, he's a guy that I plan on hammering
for top five and top ten. If he's in the
mix this week and playing well, I don't care enough,
you know, whether he wins or loses, you know, just
lose a golf tournament. But like if he finishes fourth
or seventh, it would mean the same to me. But
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he's a guy that I like a lot going into
Royal Port Rush. And the other guy is Terrell hadden't Terrell.
Hadden's a guy. I think both those two guys, if
they are playing well this week, they are auto hammers
for me going into the Open to top five and
top ten. I mean, Hadden's played well this year in
the majors. Obviously John Ram that as well, had was
right there in the mix with nine holes to go
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against Scotti at the PGA Championship. To me, Bryson when
it comes to not as much valderrama, but when they
get to the Open in a week, that could be
hard for him because his style is very American driven
and with the Open, one thing being the scientist like
one thing that makes John Ram such a special player,
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and I would say the same thing for Hadden is
they are old school golfers like Terrell Hadton and obviously
John Rom would have been awesome players in the seventies,
would have been awesome players in the nineties because they
just they got all the shots. And even John Rahm,
like he's like you say, I can't hit a draw,
he can hit a draw. And I just think they
can work the ball both ways. Their comfortability playing in
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different styles in different weather that's gonna be a problem
for Bryson because you can't scientifically hack how hard the
weather is, the greens aren't as fast. It's all based
on wind, rain and water. Really fuck him up till
Bryson is a guy this stretch or I kind of
stay away. It doesn't mean that if things break his
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way he can't dial in. Wouldn't shock me if he
plays well at vald Rama, but I think going for
the Open Championship, you know, I love hammering him and
I've made a lot of money on Bryson over the
last two years. But relative to live this week, don't
hate him to be in the mix. But in terms
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of playing at Royal Port Rush, I struggle with him
in the Open. I mean historically he's never played that well.
I just think it's really really difficult for him. Just
he's got a lot going on right where John Rahm
could just pick up my set of clubs, go out
and play anywhere and just be comfortable. Why Because he's
just he's he's a player, you know, an old school
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player in the sense of like he's much more of
a field player. I remember watching something at Arizona State
where they do this drill where you hit to different
yardages based on feel and the coach would be like
ninety yards, and then there's no like ninety yards. You
just have to do it on your own. And that's
why I think, you know, I wouldn't shock me at
all if John ram Is wins at Worldport Rush so
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excited to watch these guys. To me, Hatton and Rahm
are the two guys I'm all over at Beldorama. Okay,
let's answer some of your questions at golo Pod. At
golopod is the Instagram, Fire in those dms and get
your questions answered here on this little old podcast. I'm
twenty one years old. I've been golfing for three I've
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been addicted since day one. Feel you, Doug. Last year
I hit the bullet and spent and spent upwards of
twenty five hundred on my bad completely worth it in
my opinion. I play every day and can afford it,
but it's definitely not easy. A lot of fucking money
and I'm twenty one, that is, I hear you. Here's
my problem. My dad recently moved across the country to Texas.
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He wants me to fly my clubs when I come
to see him. I instantly turned that down. Stating I'm
not risking my clubs like that because they mean a
lot to me. I've heard countless stories of airlines losing
or ruining clubs. He looks at it this way. He
looks at it in the way that I don't want
a golfer them. He did kind of get me into
the game, and I can sense some animosity coming from him.
(24:44):
My view of the situation is I spent a bunch
of money, worked really hard for my clubs. You would
know as a golfer you grow a connection almost with
your clubs. I agree. Two questions based off this information.
Do you fly with your clubs? If yes, how who
is the asshole in the situation? Shoot me straight. I
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fly everyone with my clubs. And I don't know how
much it costs. I don't remember. I don't want to
say it's like a hundred bucks. But I have like
a big hard carrying case. They have multiple different carrying cases, right,
I remember my dad, like twenty years ago, had a
softer one. I got a hard one that basically is
like a piece of luggage shape like a golf club,
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and I throw my golf clubs in there and it's
pretty sturdy. I've flown them to all across the country
to Hawaii. I flew him here with me to Sacramento.
I don't hesitate to fly my clubs and have never
had an issue. And then I also use because the Southwest,
you get a free bag, but I throw clothes and
choose and shit in there, so you almost use it
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like a luggage. And I have never had an issue.
I've never lost club. Now I'm not I'm flying my
clubs once or twice a year, so I'm not super
aggressive with flying amount. I think if you see some
of the clips on like social media, it could really
scare you. But I would say most people that my
friends and who I play with have flown their clubs
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all over the place and never had an issue. I
completely understand. I didn't have twenty five hundred dollars when
I was twenty one. I would not have had that
much money. The clubs I played with at twenty one
were my clubs from when I was like fifteen years
old that I basically played with until my late twenties
until I bought a set of clubs, might even have
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been early thirties. I mean I had the same set
of clubs for like fifteen years, so I completely understand
you spend a boatload of money. But from my experience,
I don't speak for everybody. I have never had a
bad experience flying my clubs, never had them broken. But
I also I don't want to shoot you. It wasn't outrageous.
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I mean, at most maybe a couple hundred bucks maybe,
And again I've had this thing now for five six years,
so maybe with inflation more money. But if you get
a hard case traveling case for golf clubs, it basically
stands up straight, you can roll it. It's easy to use.
I honestly have never had an issue, and if anything,
it's benefited me because I've been able to put other stuff.
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I've played in Tennessee, I've played in Texas, obviously, if
I flew into Arizona before I moved there, flying back
to California, I've flown into Hawaii. I have no issues
and I don't hesitate flying them. But I totally understand
where you're coming from. I would say, if you get
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the right case, won't you won't worry about it. Needs
some coffee. I got up this morning about five thirty.
We actually played. We're the second group off this morning
and we played behind MAV mcneely's dad, and I guess
Mav McNeely was out. We played Inclined Village. If you're
ever up in this part of Tahoe, nice little resort course.
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It's not that long, it's a little tight. But I
guess Mav, who's I'm sure he's in this Scottish Open,
was out there a couple days ago, just dominating this
course for the mailbag. For some reason, the entire rollback
initiate initiation infuriates me, not because they care how these
guys are hitting it, but because it feels like the
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PGA and their associated media are calling for the sweeping
change to a problem that one they created and two
will have no effect on the actual issue. This is
a TV broadcast problem, not an issue with the distance
off the tee. Nobody would have any clue a guy
is hitting a pitching wedge or an eight iron into
a green unless the screen told them. It does not matter.
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What we want is variability and uncertainty of the outcomes.
That's why it's difficult. That's why difficult major setups are appealing,
not because Rombo hit it three h five or three
twenty five Secondly, the rollback only hurts the short hitters.
Those guys would have even longer club in their hand.
Good luck with your fore iron into every part four.
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It feels like small greens, more tees and strategically placed
trees would be much better equalizer. Curious on your thoughts, Well,
if I was playing their role, what are you gonna do?
Every course they play shrink the greens. That's not the course.
The greens are the greens. And the thing with trees,
anyone who's played an older course knows a huge advantage
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they have are their old trees that are tall. Well,
some of these, like look at Oakmont, there's not a
tree on the course, so you can't like just add
I mean, technically you could if you're like Augusta, but
I do think it gets really expensive. Also, most of
these courses, I mean, I guess there are some public right,
Tory Pines is public, TPC Scottsdale's public, the players is public.
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But a lot of these courses Pebble's public. So even
if they're public, were the majority of the play at tpc' Scottsdale,
at Tory Pines, at Memorial, at Oakmont out wherever is
not these guys, it's me, it's you, it's public courses,
it's whoever at these private courses, at Memorial, at you
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name it, it's the members. Right. So those guys like
Oakmant's a bad example, that's an outlire. But most of
these other courses, those courses play to us, not to
those guys like Maverick McNeely. If you hadn't I shot
eighty today and I triple bogey, whole seventeen disaster should
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have been much better. But I looked at my brother
about whole seven or eight. I'm like, Matt McNeely would
fucking destroy this place? And not because he's just hitting
super long and where in the mountains, Because like those
guys are destroying every place. So there aren't many courses
that you can put a top one hundred PGA tour player,
let alone the top thirty or forty guys that they're
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not gonna eat alive. And even if it's long, like
Colin moorek Cowan, Scottie Scheffer, even if they have a
five or six iron in their hand, at worst they're
gonna be thirty feet and two butt and some of
the times it's gonna roll into fifteen ten feet and
they're gonna make the putt. So these guys are so good.
It isn't Jack Nicholas and Lee Trevino and the days
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of guys hitting four iron from one hundred and ninety
those days are dead. We's got to embrace it. There's
not much you can do to roll it back, especially
if it carries into us. Just slid it be. It
is what it is now. If you tell me, and
this is what I've always assumed, are they gonna be
hitting it? Let's say the average distance on tour is
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three oh eight or three ten, Well in fifteen years,
is that number gonna be three thirty? If you tell
me that, and then the top guys are hitting it
three seventy, then yeah, if thirty percent of the PGA
tours hit at three seventy or three sixty, yeah, we'd
have a problem. It just would be too easy. Most
of these courses. I do think we've topped out. I
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do think we've topped out. Could be wrong, and maybe
maybe that would be their argument. But my take is
I don't think it ever actually happens. Like the majority
of people. I'm a big Deshambo guy. I've been following
him his entire career from the beginning when he used
to wear the Ben Hogan hat. My question is for you,
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if you had to bet over under four and a
half majors he finishes his career with, well, he's got two,
and obviously watching him the last couple of years, it's hard.
I would say he's a lock. I would bet my
life savings he wins another one, you know, unless he
has a major injury. If he's healthy for the next
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five years, d Chambau is a lock to win another.
I think winning multiple majors is just difficult, right, And
when you look at the guys he has to beat,
assuming role, he keeps trying. Scotty's in the peak of
his powers. John Rahm is like trying to get back there.
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I would imagine we will have a player or two
that's young kind of come up. Hovelin's kind of figuring
it out. You know, Xander has had a weird year
because he's not healthy, but Xander is still really good.
That four and a half number, If you told me
bryceon d Chambeau ends his career with four, believable, I
would say that four or five. I'd say that's a
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good over under. I'd say that's a good over under.
I'd say it'd be between four and five. Neither would
yock me. I think if he ends his career of five,
it'd be pretty pretty impressive. It's just hard to win
him because even when you're in the mix, like his
second major probably shouldn't have gone his way, right, and
I guess he was right there against Andander in the
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PGA last year. It's kind of chasing him a little bit.
I guess he's played a lot better at the Masters
the last couple of years. I wonder if you told
him this, you could have four, but one of them
will be the Masters. So you have won two US Opens,
you win the Masters, and the probably win a PGA.
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Or you could have four and you'd be like a Kopka.
You get three US Opens and two PGAs. What would
you rather take? I think being a history, I think
you'd take I'd rather have four in one being the Masters,
especially after I've already won multiple US Opens. I think
the thing that will change his life, because it does
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feel like he's gonna win a PGA. It feels like
the PGA Championship one of these, like he's gonna win it.
Can he win the Masters? Because if bryceon D Chambeau
wins the Masters, I think that changes the way because
he's already a Hall of Famer, won a bunch multiple majors,
ton of played well in majors. To me, Can'ty win them?
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I think the bigger question on over under majors is
can't he win the Masters? And I think watching the
last couple of years, the answer is, yeah, you can't.
And if I was a betting man, I think his
Masters would be at point five. I'd probably take the over.
I think Bryce and d Chambeau eventually wins the Masters.
Question for the bag. Currently watching the Open from fourteen
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on the Golf Channel, strange to watch Rory and Ricky
paired together over ten years ago. What's even more strange
is the dramatic change in equipment and outfits Ricky's orange pumadeer.
It feels like a lifetime ago. My question is this,
do you foresee the changes coming in professional golf in
general when it comes to emerging stars, live PGA, new commissioner, equipment,
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and any new brands emerging. As a Travis Matthew snob,
I'd love to see a more affordable golf apparel brand.
It's a struggle out there on the streets, Big Travis Matthews. Guy,
that's a good question. I think inflation hit a lot
of different areas hard. I would say no areas ith
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ordered golf obviously, golf courses depending on where you live.
I mean, the shitty fifty dollars courses all doubled, the
one hundred dollars courses all went to two hundred, the
two hundred dollars courses went to four hundred. You know,
the clothing went up thirty forty to fifty eighty percent.
I don't think, at least in the foreseeable future. I
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guess a huge recession could happen. But seeing that that
type stuff's going to come back to earth, I do think,
and I'd put a longer horizon on this, there will
be some sort of reunification over the next five years.
You know. I think people were hoping for it being
next year a couple of years ago. Clearly not happening.
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Lives not going anywhere. But one thing will be very
interesting is their contract. Like when Kepka's contract ends, does
it come back? You know, when DJ's contract ends. As
you retire, what does Bryson do. He's already openly talked
about he's in negotiations. I mean, he's their most important guy.
Ro just signed last year, so he's got a four
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year contract. What happens with some of those older guys,
you know, Live's gonna have some ope? Is Sergio Poulter
or Lee West? Are they gonna play till they're Louis
till they're like fifty five? I don't know, so I
I would guess. I've said this before what I would do.
And this is the problem because the PJ Tour guys
don't want to give in. Like if I'm the new commissioner,
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it's like, hey, guys, this is about the business model.
I am going to lift every suspension Like Lee West
with Sergio that doesn't matter tho those days don't even
want to play. But hey, Bryson, do you want to
play at Pebble Beach? Do you want to play at
Torrey Pines? Hey John Rum you live fucking five minutes away?
Do you want to play the Waste Management which is
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your home tournament, which Ram has talked about is hard
for him to drive by and Frank Lloyd Wright realize
that I don't get to play that tournament. You're allowed
to like open that tournament to the all the Florida guys.
Do you guys want to play the you guys want
to play Arnold Palmer? Do you want to play the Honda?
They'd probably say no, you want to play the players?
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Maybe now even to give the players, but like give
the option to that. That That's how I would start. Now, Tiger,
who is? I mean, here's the problem. We all answer
to somebody, right, whether it's in your home or whether
it's in business. I don't care who you are. Ninety
nine point ninety nine percent of business owners kind of
have someone, even if they're not quote unquote above them,
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the person they do business with. It's by far the
most important that if ever something changed, would dramatically impact it.
So even though this guy's the CEO slash commissioner, like
he's gonna do something that Tiger doesn't want. Every picture
I've seen with this guy, Tiger's right there. Do you
think Tiger would have vocated it? Like? Tiger's a huge
driving force to this operation, especially now that his career
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physically is kind of over. So to me, he has
a huge influence, Like Arthur blank Is. You know, guys
like that are just looking at the numbers. Tiger kind
of adds business sense. I mean he's a billionaire, but
like what we want as players, and he speaks for
the group of like, yeah, you know, he's making it
difficult for the unification. Like I don't think he's disagree
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with Lucas Glover. You guys left, so be it. That
was your choice. We're here, so they would they would
probably look at me. You recommend lifting the suspensions, double
middle fingers, No way, that would be what I would do,
or maybe even this, maybe not a full lift of
the suspension. Hey, any two events, any two PGA Tour events,
Any of you guys want to play rom Hattan, Bryson,
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DJ Koepka obviously you know all the young guy Joaquin
Neeman who's won it Riviera before. You're welcome to play
if you want to play. If you guys don't have
a live event going, that's that's so easy. It doesn't
need to be that difficult. Like everyone's got their money,
everyone got rich, everyone's rich. Hell, Brian Campbell's made three
million dollars. Brian fucking Campbell three point one million dollars.
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This year three point one MILLI make it easier, That's
what I would do. My guess is, though that's not
gonna happen. Did you say recently on a pod that
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you used Turo on a trip any issues? I've used
it multiple times. There's no free ads, but it's basically
just instead of a rental car, it's you rent the
car through someone else and you can pick whatever car
you want, and it's better deal sometimes than Hertseramus. And
you get off the plane and you walk to Typically
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sometimes they drop it off right in front of you.
Sometimes you pick it up the parking lot. I've used
it in before in Arizona when I wasn't living there.
I've used in Nashville. I've used it in Reno. Also
to the guy that asked me about the clubs I flew.
My club was a month ago to Reno with me,
and I played here with my brother in law, Matt.
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So Turo's been I know a lot of people that
use it. Doesn't get any easier. Okay, last question greetings
from Dallas. Although he never do it, do you think
Tiger would be able to contend if he agreed to
ride into carts? Specifically, majors. I asked this because you
always hear other pro state that he can still hit
all the shots. I would say, no, one, he's not
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playing enough so his game it's impossible to be dialed
at fifty years old, at the level in which he
has to compete when he's not able to practice. Obviously
now that he tours Achilles, but even before he tore
his achilles, I do think the shattering of the ankle
when he flipped the Genesis end of his career. Obviously
he played after that, but I mean before that injury,
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I would say one hundred percent Tiger was gonna win again.
I mean, he had won the Masters in nineteen, he
had almost won the British Open in twenty eighteen, he
had won the Tour Championship in twenty eighteen. He had
gone toe to toe with Brooks in twenty eighteen at
the PGA Championship. Like he was. He was a Tiger
Woods of two thousand two or two thousand and six
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or nineteen ninety eight. But he was fucking good. And
I think that injury derailed the next five years. Now,
maybe by this time he physically wouldn't have been the same,
you know, maybe other injuries. But I do think twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two Tiger Woods one hundred
percent would have won again regular event, potentially another major,
potentially maybe two majors, because how smart he was, because
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how good he was. I think he still has all
the shots that he's on the range again before he
tore his achilles. But I don't think even with a
cart I just don't think so. He just not as crisp.
And I think if you were having a cocktail with him,
even as prideful as he is, he would admit that,
which is sad. I mean, it's really sad. And mean,
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the guys lived about fifty lives. So I'm just glad
that we got to witness twenty nineteen, and then sadly
it ended on that was it rainy day? I don't
even know if it was a rainy day, but I
doubt it was rain I don't think it was. It
was just that hill, you know, in early it was
January or February of twenty twenty. It's never been the
same and it never will be the same. And that's
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why I think he's in a weird way, unofficially kind
of retired at this point, so yeah, we'll have a
podcast out later this week and enjoy enjoy the Summer
talk sooner, so the volume
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