Honest Aaron, Astros Woes, Belichick Reboot

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you today? I'm great. We're about to get steamy. Us
get hot in La. It's get starting late today. It's
gonna get hot. Not that kind of steam. It's like
I didn't get the met it's supposed to get now now.
I think it's been kind of chilly the basketball day
it has. Where I'm at on the beach, it's been
foggy and chilly. But they're saying it's going to get very,
very steamy. So you know what, I um, it's funny

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about my wife. You know, once twice a year we
have to have like the uncomfortable conversation about something, kids, money,
whatever it is, and my wife just says, you don't
like that talk about that. I'm like, okay, today we
got to talk about money, just money talk. And the
reason I'm not a real passive aggressive guy. Uh you
know if I if I think something, I'll say something,

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and a lot of people don't like me for that,
not just on the air, off the air, I'll just say, hey,
this bothers me. I don't like passive aggressive and so
I and I think the reason I'd rather people be
aggressive is because, hey, it's painful initially. You know, good news,
bad news. What do you want to hear? I'm I'm
a bad news guy. Give me the bad news first.
Let's get it out of the way and have a
good life. So I've always been hey, give me the

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bad news first. I like uncomfortable conversations because it's painful initially,
but then it creates trust. I mean, if that guy,
if my wife can tell me the uncomfortable stuff, but
I know she's not gonna lie to me. About the
little stuff and Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers. I've been critical
of him through the years because I think he can
be passive aggressive. He went aggressive. He was interviewing on

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some podcast with Kyle Brandt and I'm not sure Ringer
or something like that, and Aaron went into the most
uncomfortable conversation an older quarterback can have. I'm going to
get replaced pretty soon here it is talking about Jordan Love,
first round pick for the Packers at quarterback. Was I
bummed out of course? Who wouldn't be, you know, like,

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I wanted to play my entire career in Green Bay.
I love the city. I grew up there. Really, Scot
was twenty one. I'm thirty six now and a lot
of changes during that time. But look, I get it.
I see it completely clearly, and then I'm not bitter
about it. It just kind of is what it is.
Brady and Garoppolo, they had this irritation for three years.

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Nobody wanted to talk about it, and in the end
New England gave Garoppolo away for a second round pick
because nobody wanted to talk about it. It's one of
the bad moves, probably not keeping Brady, but getting nothing
for it that Belichick ever made. Chandler Jones was not
a great move, and Garoppolo for a second round is
not a great move because nobody wanted to talk about it.

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Aaron's being brutally honest. I'm thirty six, I've had two surgeries.
You drafted them in the first round. Folks, if you
draft a quarterback in the first round, they all play
within two years. In fact, I believe the last quarterback
to be drafted in the first round who didn't play
in the first two years was Aaron Rodgers. They're gonna
play Jordan Love. They're gonna play them at least next year.

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And again Aaron Rodgers is willing to have a big boy,
grown up adult conversation. Just look at the facts. You know,
they traded up, they drafted them. I would say, they
like them, they want to play them now. I think
quarterbacks you're playing earlier. It gives, you know, give some
latitude for young coaches and gms to you know, to

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play there, to play their guys. And I get it,
I really do. Like I don't harbor any ill will
about it. Like was I bummed out of course it
wouldn't be, you know, Like I wanted to play my
entire career in Green Bay. I love the city. I
grew up there. Really, Scot was twenty one. I'm thirty
six now, and a lot of changes during that time.
Aaron's own spaceship apparently I Love this FARV didn't end

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in Green Bay. Peyton Manning didn't end An Nby Brady's
now in Tampa Bay, Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Joe Namath.
You generally, if you want to keep playing, and Aaron does,
you're not going to be in Green Bay. And he
just Aaron just took all the tension out of the room.
He's just Aaron just said, let's just talk about this.

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You drafted him in the first round, you're gonna play him.
I get it. This is the Aaron Rodgers I love.
There's no, there's no. This is not being a disruptive player.
It's being a totally honest player. I was told by
my agent years ago, and it's the smartest thing my
agent ever said. The company you work for in the
media makes the decision to get rid of you at

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least a year or two before they tell you. And
I know that's true because in the last year I've
seen two people who do what I do for a
living get demoted or lose a gig. And I heard
about those conversations three years ago. That's the way it's working.
Green Bay's having conversations right now about Aaron Rodgers two
collar bone surgeries appears to be slightly out of his prime,

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really super expensive, you know, can sometimes irritate certain executives
or coaches. This is the conversation you need to have.
Jordan Loves going to play early and Aaron's adult about it,
logical about it, aggressive about it. This is not a
bad day for Green Bay. Aaron just took all that

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like tension in the facility. You can a hey, boom,
you're gonna replace me. I get it. Let's go play
by the way. I'm not gonna let you beat me.
I'm gonna be great for the next three years. They're
not gonna I'm gonna make the packers have to make
a brutal decision because I'm gonna be great for the
next two to three years. There's no tension here now.
Instead of Aaron not saying anything and all of us,

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like guys like me, are like, oh god. They put
Jordan Love in for a red zone offensive set. This
is oh, oh god, he looked good in preseason. Oh
what do you Aaron just eliminated all of it. Be
willing to have uncomfortable conversations. It's painful initially, but builds trusts,

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which at the end wasn't the reason Brady left New England.
Wasn't it like a trust thing, wasn't It wasn't because
Belichick was a bad coach or Craft was a bad owner.
They weren't paying him, Like, Brady didn't really trust they
could get him weapons. Brady didn't really trust that they'd

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go out and spend money in free agency. It was
a trust issue. Brady just didn't trust that they would
get him what he needs to beat Patrick Mahomes and
Lamar Jackson. To me, if I'm Green Bay today, I'm like,
thank god, Aaron just talked about the one thing we're
gonna have to kind of talk about for the next
three years. Speaking of talking, Dusty Bakers, the manager in Houston,

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he's very upset. Last night the Astros cheaters play the
Dodgers non cheaters, And of course the Astros won the
World Series couple of years ago over the Dodgers while cheating.
Now that's not to say if they had not cheated,
they would not have won. Who knows, but it was egregious.
They were basically not just stealing signs. They were stealing
signs and relaying that information to all their hitters in Houston,

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who it appears, were better because they knew exactly what
was coming off speed, fastball location, blah blah blah. So
last night, what do you know? A Dodger pitcher sales
a ball on a three and o count over the
hip astro and Dusty Baker does not like it at all.
You know, you don't throw it a guy's head. That's

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that's that's that's playing dirty baseball. I mean, now you're,
you know, ending his career. And then you know what
really raised everybody is when you know he told Carlos,
I mean he struck him out and he told they're
a nice wing to see. What are you? What are
you supposed to do then? And that's a good question.

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I want you to remember that sentence. What are you
supposed to do? Then? So, what are you supposed to do?
Says Dusty Baker if you call my batter a name, So, Dusty,
what are you supposed to do? When your team the
Astros stole the World Series from me, and all Baseball

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did was, you know, fire at GM and take away
some draft picks. We didn't get the World Series. Dodgers
didn't get it. What are they supposed to do? This
is a sport that polices itself, that is the culture.
And what you're supposed to do is now throw the
ball at Astros. This is Baseball has the most punitive

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repercussions in the world. Even in hockey. If I bang
one of your guys up against the board and you
send a thug out to beat on me, at least
I can throw punches at you. This is what you
do in baseball. As Dusty said, what are we supposed
to do? They called us a name? What are the
Dodgers supposed to do? Taken away draft picks doesn't get
him the World Series ring? This is what you do. Well,

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he threw at his head. Name the litany of players
whose careers have ended getting conked by a baseball Dickie
Thon eighties Astros promising talent hit in the head, played
years later, but was about a two fifty hitter. This
is what you do. Listen. I'll never be in a
drug cartel. But if I was, you don't steal from

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the boss. The repercussions they lop your head off. I'll
never be a mobster. But if I was in a
New York crime family, I'd never sell Heroin. The bosses
don't like it. Why you end up in the Hudson.
If you work in baseball and you are willing to
cheat egregiously, these are the repercussions. They throw an orb

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at ninety eight miles an hour at you, ribs, butt, shoulders, head, Listen.
There are a lot of ways in life. I'm willing
to push the envelope and cheat. Speed limit sixty, I'll
go sixty five. What am I going to get a ticket?
I've jaywalked before. Want to get to a restaurant quicker?
Don't want to wait nine minutes for a light? What
am I going to get a twenty dollars ticket? I've

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pulled up before seven minutes on the parking meter. I
think it's gonna take me ten. I'll roll the dice. Oh,
a parking ticket? When the repercussions. You know, in football,
I'm super aggressive. I may jump offsides oho a five
yard penalty, So what That's why so many edge rushers,
they inch, they inch, they inch. They try to guess,

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they try to guess the snap count. If we're leading
by a couple of touchdowns, you got to throw to
five yard penalty. Okay, it's second and five, not second
and ten. But in baseball, these are the repercussions for cheating.
It's a sport that has the most punitive repercussions in
the world. Soccer didn't do this. Basketball a hard foul,

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all right, you get a couple of couple free throws.
Football you're off sides. It's a five yard penalty. Baseball,
you cheat, I'm throwing at you high. Then don't cheat
like you gotta know in your business what's the penalty
for the crime. And obviously baseball is not a carteller,

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a mob family, not analogous. But there are places where
the crime is a slap on the wrist. That has
never been the case in baseball. You cheat, you are
a target for a long long time. They hold grudges
in baseball, I mean forever. It's it's a sport that's
history is everything. And Houston ninety eight in the ribs

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ninety eight high, that's what you get. Sorry, taken away
a few draft picks and fire in your GM is
not enough for the Dodgers. All right, good stuff today.
So it's interesting, you know, I'm I'm called old crazy
pants over here because I have insinuated what the what
the Patriots have been doing for the last six months

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isn't just wildly random. And now there are those in
positions of NFL power who are agreeing with me what
New England's doing is not random. That is coming up.
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FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Joy Taylor just made
a great point. The non alcoholic beer segment is now
red hot in America, Like non alcoholic beer is exploding
in America. And I don't get it, and Joy doesn't
get it, and Joy your point being, well, beer doesn't.
Beer doesn't taste that good that I would just drink

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it's with no promise of any sort of buzz. Thank you.
So I I and I like beer, but like I
get no buzz and the beer belly right, it doesn't
Like a peanut colata, you can drink without alcohol. I
actually like them better without alta. Yeah, yeah, no rum.
But well, what's the point of beer if it don't
get a buzz off it and get it and I
get funnier and laugh more. I don't know that. I

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wouldn't drink beer on a golf course on a hot
day if it didn't ease up my tension about shanking
the last four drives. Otherwise I just have a diet
coke right, Well, it tastes good. Yeah, I mean not
the beer like I love beer, but because it's beer
I have at my at my brewhall and Torrance, I
have beer. It's not it's alcohol, and it's very delicious

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and you get you get it. You have one, and
you call an uber and you go home, and you know.
I'm not into this industry. This industry. I'm out on
non alcoholic beer. Don't try to sell me on it.
Not interested whatsoever. So um I have said, if people's
resume shows me a history of being smart, prepared, and manipulative,

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then that's who they are. Most of the media in
America believes a bunch of things are happening for the
Patriots in the last three to four months, and they're
all just random. You know. They just had a camera
guy up in the Bengals press box to tape them.
It was just totally random every day, and we think
the Patriots are just doing something. The Patriots say, you know,

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it just we didn't have any idea. We find out
that they did have an idea and there was a
plan behind it, because there's a plan behind everything Bill
Belichick does. Yesterday, finally an NFL executive went to Adam
Schefter and said about all the Patriot opting out at
the same time, he said, Bill's masterminding all of this.
Schefter said for what reason? And the executive said, I

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don't know, but that's who he is exactly. Every time
the Patriots get caught with something, there's this we don't
know what you're talking about, and then we find out
they knew exactly what they were doing. You believe, in
the last four months, these are all random occurrences. What
I'm going to speak of. Number one, they weren't remotely

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aggressive in free agency. Well, they always go after a
couple of people. Two, they let some really good players
go valuable like Kyle Vanoy. They like that were marginally expensive,
all right. Number Three, they didn't have any real plan
to replace Tom Brady. Sorry, Cam Newton was not a plan.

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It was a bad news coming. Let's sign him. If
it's a plan, you wouldn't let the rest of the
market have a shot at Cam Newton. You wouldn't tell
everybody else had a quarterback. That's not a plan. And
number four now all their players are opting out. You
think these are all random. This is the least random
coach in the history of the league. This is the

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least random organization in the history of the sport. They
do nothing without preparation. But I think this is one
of the few instances where I think the fans get
it over the media. The media doesn't want to say tanking,
and I don't see it as tanking. The word scares us.
I don't think they're tanking. But I'll give you an example.

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I sold some Starbucks stock two or three days ago
at a loss. Now why did I do that. I
never bought the Starbucks stock to lose money. But over
the course of this year, I sold some stocks because
I thought the market was too heated up. I sold
some Docu sign some Shopify good stocks i'd had. I

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made a lot of money and I sold them. But
that means capital gains. I'm gonna pay taxes. So a
couple days ago I looked and I think, I thought
I need a loss because I don't want to pay
all these taxes. And I look at Starbucks and I'm like,
you know what, I bought it to make money. I
don't think in the next five years it's going to
do nearly as good as some other stuff. So I
sold it at a loss. I didn't buy it to

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lose money, but I sold it as a loss to
take a step backwards. Help me with my capital gains.
To get two steps forward, won't have to pay as
much taxes. Nobody buys stocks to lose, but to sell
them sometimes to catch your capital gain wins. The Patriots
aren't building. They see there's three A plus college prospects

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and about three teams in the league that need them,
and they've got enough draft picks where they can move
in more. So we just we keep winning super bowls.
We got a bunch of equity. We're up against the cap.
Let's let a few guys go not be aggressive. Let's
see what we got in Jarrett Stidham and oh darn
if we go seven and nine and have a pick

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and outside of Jacksonville, nobody needs a quarterback. We get one.
I don't think this is tanking. This is not tanking.
It's restructuring. It's selling a stock at a loss to
help you with some capital gains wins. Okay, so I
don't see it that and the other the other thing.
Even my buddy Ryan Russilo, who I love, fell into

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this trap yesterday. He said something, listen, listen quote to
the end of this quote, Belichick's not telling all of
these guys, Hey, you know that. Patrick chong Yer just
shut it down. I just don't think Belichick is wired
that way. I don't think football guys are wired that way.
I think the only people that have ever released suggesting
tanking are front office people that have come from like
non traditional football backgrounds. And I think Bill is still
wired to want to win every single game, win this

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division without Brady, And yeah, of course they're going to
need a long term solution to quarterback. But to tank
for a high quarterback draft pick when fifty percent of
these guys flame out anyway, no matter who who's evaluating
these guys, I think it's to just punt on an
entire year in the NFL, So foreign to these guys okay,
so Warren Buffett buy stocks. Like Belichick, He's wired to

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buy stocks and make money with all of them. But
Warren Buffet occasionally sells a stock. Belichick is wired to
win all the games, but he does see sell a
little to gain a little. Secondly, this narrative fifty percent
of these quarterbacks don't make it was true by entire life.
It is no longer true. Outside of Paxton Lynch, there
hasn't been a first round quarterback bust in six or

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seven years. Can't say Josh ros And yet because he's
got no opportunity. It's about eighty percent make it. Because
the league is changed, it's more collegiate. Schematically, players don't
bust in the first round. If you get Trevor Lawrence,
it's hitting. If you get justin Fields, it's hitting. If
you get Trey Lance, it's hitting. It's no longer a

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fifty fifty proposition. Now it was my entire life, my
entire life, it was a coin flip of a guy
made it. It is not anymore. The game is more offensive,
the rules are more offensive. There's more college scheme. This
generation of college quarterbacks has been thrown a ten thousand passes.
Since they were nine years old. These seven on seven,
Elite eleven camps, it's changed everything. The bust rate has plummeted.

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Mitch Trubiski seen as a bust. He's got a winning record,
he won a division, he should have won a playoff game.
Double doink, and he's a bust. He's got a winning record.
So it is not tanking. It is I believe. I
don't believe these are all random occurrences because I think

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the Patriots are the least random organization in the history
of the league. Just how I see it. Maybe I'm
totally wrong, but I think They're gonna end up in
top ten in the NFL in the draft, I do.
I do. They just don't have any playmakers. They don't
have any special players. Now that the High Tower and
Patrick Chunger out, who are their special players that don't
have any gam running for his life Joy with the news. No, no,

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this is the herd line news. Well, the Lakers could
be missing a key piece when the season restarts tomorrow,
just one day away from NBA basketball calling. So I Anthony,
Who's hurt? Anthony Davis? Davis, he left the Lakers scrimmage
against the Magic Saturday after getting poked in the eye,
and he did not play in their last scrimmage and
was also kept out of practice yesterday. Frank Vogel says

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there's some concern that ad won't be ready to play
tomorrow against the Clippers. Will be reevaluated today. According to Woach,
the Lakers are going to be very conservative with Anthony Davis.
How do you get poked in the eye when your
seven feet it's way up there. Listen, I'm like Anthony Davis.
He misses too many games for me. You gotta play,
Gotta play, got play with an eye patch, be a pirate,
you gotta play. I want playing. I don't want to be.

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I don't want to I want him playing. I'm in Look,
getting poked in the eye is look awful. Look at
time out. Boom, No, that's not that's not what happened.
Have you ever seen an NBA players like hands? It's
very strong, the fur, you know what I'm saying, blocking
boom boom, boom right in the eyeball. Um. No, I'm
sure it's very painful, but it's it's just I want

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guys who played through eyeball. He's I don't know about that.
But but he does seem to always kind of have
something going on. They are five. They have a five
and a half game lead over the Clippers for the
top seed in the West. The Clippers will be out
without Lou Williams obviously and Montres Harrow Um Obviously, Lou
Williams is in quarantine and Montres Harrow has not returned
from to the Bubble for from his family emergency yet.

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And Doc Rivers said Patrick Beverley is and maybe to
play on Thursday. So neither team is looking like they're
going to be at full steam. Obviously, we'd like to
see Anthony Davis out there, but this isn't while the
NBA season is restarting tomorrow and we're excited. This isn't
a Muslin scenario. I'm having a party of my else
tomorrow to restart the nbacy just one person. But yeah,

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let's say with the oh, very nice, very nice. He's
he's living his best life right now, the NBA coming back. Oh,
he's the happiest guy, the happiest guy in the war world.
Although I'm sure he doesn't love this Anthony Davis news.
So Jannis has led the Bucks to the best record
in the NBA so far this season, and the team
is poised to make a deep run in the Orlando Bubble.

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But Scottie Pippen still isn't sure Yannis is ready to
carry his team to a title. I don't think so.
When you talk about playing in the NBA finals, when
you talk about making big shots with SECAs on the cloud,
you know, and being able to take those shots a confidence,
I just don't see him being ready right now, or
that I know that. You know, he's made some great strides.

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He is still one of the top players in the game,
but in terms of his outside play, he's not ready
to carry his team to a title. Well, I would say,
prove Scottie Pippen wrong. If Scottie Pippens wrong, prove it
because he's got two playoff series wins five years in
the league. So Scottie Pippen to this point, very few guys,
I mean, Kawhi Can, lebron Can, and then the list

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gets really small. I just I don't know that we're
being really fair Gianness yet, like Jannis, I think we
think of Jannis as an older player than he really is.
A a kid. Yeah, right, So the fact that he's
not winning championships yet is not an indictment. Well, winning championships,
he's not winning any series. Okay, well that takes that

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takes time. Like we just we just watched the last dance.
It took some time to get this. This is where
you're a good thing. I'm not comparing him to Michael Jordan.
I am tougher on athletes and you softened. This is nicer.
You're being nicer. I'm being too harsh. This is where
you take the harshness out of me because I'm like,
you've been in that. You're the MVP, no excuses, winn't

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playing in the crappyas you gotta win more playoff series.
I mean, I would like to see him win more
as well. But I just think that we put this
kind of expectation on Jannis and the Bucks that they
should just be in this conversation of winning championships and
winning and making these runs. The best team in the
NBA last two years. Come on, I don't saying that

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Jannis is not a great player. Some teams are just
built to be great regular season team as well. But
if you notice that veteran teams tend to not really
care about the regular season like the Clippers because they
have that experience and they know what they have to
go through to get to the NBA Finals. And it's
not necessarily putting all the emphasis on the regular season.
Not saying the Bucks do that. I just think, you know,

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maybe just pump brakes on and maybe he's Guy's right,
he's not ready yet. I don't think I can think
you're great. Now. How many people in this league can
can lead you to Kawhi, Lebron, James Harden has not
proven he can get you to the finals. Steph Curry absolutely,
Lebron Kawaik, that's it. The whole league. Three guys. Anthony
Davis hasn't proven anything. We can probably have a conversation

(25:37):
about Kevin Durant. But still that's four guys out of
how many guys in the league, and how many superstars
in the league. There they're superstars that can't get their interesting.
He's going to get the MVP award over Lebron Well,
I think it's Lebrons VP. I'm with you on that.
So finally, in the Tom Brady era in Tampa is
about to begin in uh Tampa Bay, they still do that.
That's such a nerdy that's so bad. At the Buck

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facility this week in preparation for the start of training camp,
and Bruce Arians says Brady is already mastering a new offense. Yeah,
I think he's way ahead of the curve. I mean,
it's a very great guy. The terminology was the big thing. Again.
It's a dual thing, him learning what we do, me
learning what he likes, meeting in the middle and doing

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a lot of different things. But I'm not going to
ask the other twenty one guys to learn something new
when they've already had a good year of good experiences
in the offense. I mean the way if I'd have
shown you that picture a year ago, Bruce Arians with
that face cover and with no explanation, you would have
thought he got into a you know, an accident or
there was a chemical burn or It is so weird

(26:43):
to see people talking now in sports with face masks on.
I think it's appropriate, but it's so some of the
visuals I see now, I'm like, if you'd have told
me a year ago this is what America is going
to look like, I'd have been like, well, yeah, I
mean a year ago. A lot of us have to
imagine this but I don't know, I'm kind of getting
used to it now. I like, not that I forget
that this is going on, but it's just become like

(27:03):
my life. Did you hear Bill Gates yesterday? He said,
this is not the worst virus. We're gonna face like,
we better figure out, we better stop arguing over the masks.
This is an easy one. It's not it's not hurting
kids like Bill Gates is like, this is going to
be happening every several years. This is not one of
the rough ones every several years. Well, I think, I

(27:25):
mean it's yeah, I mean it's always been viruses. This
is H one. N one was bad and stars and yeah,
that's true. I guess the news kind of that's that's
bad news. I don't know. I think it's good though
it Bruce arians has had health issues before. He's been
very clear that he is going to take this very
seriously and uh and wear a mask as everyone should.

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Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping the herdline news. So I've complimented Aaron Rodgers today. Yeah,
I've yelled at Dusty Baker. Yeah I am not in
and on outcoholic beer I have embraced throwing at people,
occasionally even over their head with a baseball. And what

(28:06):
else did I do? Oh? And I don't. I don't
think you, honest can lead a team to a championship
because I haven't seen it and I'm tired of hearing
about how great he is. I like him, but mostly
everything's on brand except for is it on brandy? Yeah?
Not an alcoholic beer doesn't make it doesn't make sense.
I mean, it's yea three three words. What's the point?

(28:28):
Doesn't taste good enough to go non alcoholic? Yeah? I
mean the beer is drinking like I'm drinking the beer
for It's not gonna taste as good as a great
craft beer. It's not gonna be as good as a
Heineken Rostella not alcoholic, So what's the point? Just drink
a diet coke. Hope they're not an advertiser. Good I
like it. Lost that one. Albert brears around the corner.
He's gonna yell at me. All these media people think

(28:49):
I'm nuts on this. I don't think New England's random.
They're the least random team in my life. The idea
that all these things are adding up and now players
are flying out, opting out. When's the last time New
England didn't have a plan about everything. They have a
plan about footballs and officials, and they are the least
ad libbing franchise ever. I think there's a bunch of

(29:12):
stuff adding up to it's a reboot year. It's not tanking.
I don't I don't think there is NFL tanking. I
don't think hockey and NFL there's too much regulated violence.
You can't tank, you gotta play one hundred percent, but
you can reboot. I think they're rebooting, and Belichick knows it.
Albert Brewer around the corner. Be sure to catch live

(29:33):
editions of The Herd week days and noon Easter nine
a Empacific. Good to have you in. Albert Brewer's gonna
yell at me, Manginie next hour is gonna yell at
me because I think the New England Patriots are the
least random team of my life. They've got a plan
for everything, and I don't believe we have a series
of random events where they had no plan for replacing Brady.

(29:55):
I mean, Cam Newton was not a plan. They gave
everybody else in the League of shot to get him
they were not aggressive in free agency, they let marginally
expensive players go, and now like eight guys are opting
out in four months. This is all random. Of course,
there's something going on. Bill's got a plan for breakfast.

(30:15):
He doesn't have a plan. And I think a lot
of it is. You know, if this is the year
to go eight and eight, this is the year to
go seven and nine. A lot of good quarterbacks in
this draft. And I know people think I'm nuts on this.
I just can't. The least random teams can't suddenly all
these random things look like they're not quite as committed
this year. I don't know. Albert Breird joins me now

(30:37):
senior reporter, Monday Morning Quarterback. He knows the Patriot. It
just I can't. People that have never been random don't
suddenly get random and listen. Stock pickers occasionally sell stock
to avoid capital gains, like they didn't buy the stock
to sell it. I mean, now I got seven players

(31:00):
opting out. Come on, Albert, something's going on, right, I
don't think that the I mean, look, they have a
plan for this year. There's no question about that. They're
carrying twenty four million dollars in dead cap this year,
They've only got three million dollars in cash invested in
quarterbacks on their roster. This was always going to be
a clear of the next year because of where they
were contractually with a lot of their guys, and of

(31:21):
course where Tom Brady was in his career. That said,
I don't think they planned for these opt outs. I
think the opt outs, I don't think those are random either.
I think that's actually just sort of a product of
the guys that they've had on their roster, smart, responsible,
well off, accomplished pros. And you can look at the
guys Dante Hietower in his thirties, has a newborn, has

(31:42):
three rings, has taken care of his money. Patrick Chung
in his thirties, has a baby on the way, has
three rings, has taken care of his money. These guys
have the freedom to make those sorts of decisions. They've
got the intelligence to look at what's happening in our country.
And I think for a lot of these guys know
the Patriots. A lot of these guys, the Patriots sort
of become a victim of their own success. These guys

(32:03):
look at it and say, you know what, I made
my money, I got my rings do I really want
to jump through all the hoops? The twenty twenty is
going to present from me? You know what, I'll take
the year off, all right, that's how you see it. Okay, fine,
all right, So we all know Aaron Rodgers is great
to me. He's always been a tad passive aggressive. Yesterday,
yesterday he went aggressive, and I love it. He basically

(32:26):
talked about the gigantic elephant in the room, which is,
I've had collar bone surgeries, I'm old, I'm expensive, and
the Packers moved up in the first round to get
a quarterback. What did you take away from his comments
he made yesterday, which is, I'm not bitter, I know
the ends coming in Green Bay. I'm not gonna I'm
probably not gonna finish here. How much do you remember
by the summer two thousand and eight, Collin, Like, do

(32:48):
you remember like Brett Farve actually showed up that summer
to Packers camp. A lot of people don't remember that
before he was traded to the Jets, he actually showed
up and the Packers in effect kicked him out. And
so Aaron Rodgers was the other guy in that equation
when you had the older, expensive quarterback who was very,
very accomplished, So he knows what this equation is and

(33:09):
he's sensitive to it. Every player is a product of
their own experiences, so I think that's a part of
all of this. I think the other part of it
it's just how the Packers handled it before the draft.
I think it would have been very easy for Matt
Lafleur or Brian Goodocous to get on this phone and say, listen,
there's this kid from Utah State. We really like him.
There's a few receivers we like too. But if Jordan

(33:30):
Love falls into the area where we may take him
and the receivers that we like are gone, there's a
chance this happens. So I think that if the Packers
had sort of gotten in front of this a little bit,
even if it was just a day or two before
the draft, they probably would have avoided a little bit
of this awkwardness with Aaron Rodgers, because I do think
Rogers willingness to come out and say some of these

(33:50):
things this is a product of the way it was
handled in April. Yeah, that's actually a good point. I've
always argued if the Packers would have just taken a
receiver with the second pick. You could have appeased Aaron
a little, and then you can go get your blocking
tight end and your interior lineman. But to draft a
quarterback and then go get a running back who was
kind of a reach. The messaging from the front office

(34:12):
to Aaron is, we don't really you are not really
a guy that we're worried about asking you for favors
or for draft picks. So I didn't like that either,
And I think your points are really good one. So
it's funny this week Carson Wentz is not in the
NFL dot com Top one hundred voted by the players,
not in the top one hundred. And then then there

(34:33):
was fifty executives. Mike Sando does this for the Athletic
He talks to fifty executives every year. He does tiers
of quarterbacks, and Wentz is in the bottom of tier two,
barely ahead of Philip Rivers. I don't get it, obviously,
I have a blind spot for the kid. Are you
surprised by that? Well, I think it's just the way

(34:54):
NFL people look at these guys, in the way they
assess guys. And you know, I've had a lot of
executive use that old cliche, the best ability is durability,
the best ability is availability, and really that's been cast
the knock on Carson Wentz over the last few years,
and you can correlate it with what happened in college.
He had a lot of injury issues his last year
at North Dakota State, and so I think a piece

(35:16):
of this has to do with his ability to stay
in the field. Look, everybody solid he did in twenty seventeen.
He may have been the MVP of the league before
he tore his ACL, but we've seen the Eagles succeed
without him, So that's a part of it. We've seen
an inability to stay healthy. Last year, he finally gets
through sixteen games and then lo and behold, he gets
hurt in the playoffs. And so I mean, look, some

(35:38):
of this is just rotten luck, but there's another part
of this where he plays a certain way, his body
hasn't held up. And if these sorts of things are
happening when you're twenty four to twenty five, twenty six
years old, there becomes the assumption that they're going to
keep happening. And so you know, we've seen even the
biggest quarterbacks fall victim to the style of play before
Cam Newton two hundred and seventy pounds as big a

(35:59):
man as you'll ever see at the position. He couldn't
stay healthy playing that way. And so I think part
of it is on Carson Wentz now to adjust his
style of play. But I think so much of this
colin relates back to the way that NFL people look
at these guys. And it's different the way the pulp
than the public looks at these guys. NFL people look
at it and say to themselves, durability is part of

(36:19):
the package with every single player. So I'm from the
Pacific Northwest, you know, I try not to root for teams,
but it makes me happy that Seattle and Russell Wilson
have found success for a franchise that had, you know,
been around forever and didn't win anything big. But I
thought the move to get Jamal Adams felt a little desperate.
And I think, and this is my big knock on Seattle,

(36:41):
that they've had a lot of first round whiffs. The
offensive line is now rated twenty eighth by Pro Football Focus.
The defensive line is rated thirty second by Profotball Focus.
And it feels like, let's bring in Jamal Adams. It's
a big swing and he can cover up some of
our holes. I don't think they need safety help like
they need O line and D line help, but I

(37:04):
thought it felt kind of desperate given that up for
Jamal Adams. What say you, I say, this is a
reach for their identity when they were at the top
of the league, you know, and I know having talked
to a couple of people there over the weekend, they
really felt like they're they're very very close to having
a sort of secondary that they had in twenty thirteen

(37:25):
and fourteen and fifteen with some of the young guys
that they've developed there, guys like Shaquille Griffin and Trey Flowers,
Marquis Blair going into his second year now they trade
for Quandre Diggs, and so they really felt like they
were very very close in the secondary to having what
they've had in the glory years, which is the key
to everything back then. And so what does Jamal Adams
bring the way that they look at it in that building.

(37:47):
He's a smaller and more versatile version of Cam Chancellor
on several different fronts. He brings a sort of physical
presence that you want. He's a tone center in the
secondary and he's an alpha for that room. And so
they really felt like a lot of what they were
as a pro Graham could be re established by getting
Jamal Adams into the building. And they never felt like
they were going to be able to get somebody like
that in the draft. And if you look at the

(38:07):
draft chart, and this is really interesting, Colin, go and
do the math. If you say that the Seahawks had
they're gonna have around the twenty fifth pick over the
next two years, and you add up all of the
numbers there with the draft value chart, what you'll find
is it comes out to almost exactly what the sixth
pick would cost, which is what Jamal Adams was. So
they didn't feel like they were going to be able
to find this sort of player either in the draft

(38:29):
or free agency. They were going to get one of
these guys the rare opportunity how to present itself by
a trade, and there he was for them. Good stuff.
A lot of clarity with Albert Brear today went to
Ohio State. I did not know that before I saw that,
Go Buck Eyes. I'm sure all the Michigan fans watching
the show love that as well. Albert. It's a pleasure
talking to you again. Thank you so much. All right,
thanks Coling. You know, the Carson Wench thing is interesting.

(38:51):
I've said this with Tuah. A lot of people think
if you're hurting college, you'll be hurting the pros. If
you told me I get Tuah for the next ten years,
any averages thirteen starts. I think he's that special. I'm
okay with it. Just get me a competent backup if
I have. I'm dead serious about this. If you give
me great, but it's not there every single day, it

(39:13):
beats average shown up to work every day. If you
told me, if you told me joy, you're gone every Friday,
I'd be like, four days are great. One day I
got to kind of fill a little bit more space
and hustle more. If you can give me great, but
you don't, you can't quite give me the perfect availability.
I can live with it. Whence is great. I think

(39:34):
two is going to be great. It could be wrong
on that. That's my theory on this whole game of life. Okay, Lows,
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(40:17):
be and however you may be listening Fox Sports Radio
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That's all I'm gonna say. So, Joy and I have
come to the conclusion on this. You know, I always
said as I get older in life, I've prune my tree.
Is I don't need more stuff. I just want more
good stuff. So I'm more into quality now than quantity.

(40:39):
I go to the same three restaurants where I live,
and I order the same two things. I've experimented all
I want to in life. I just want good stuff.
I don't need more of anything. I just want to
have what I have that's quality. And I was saying
if joyed in sidelines for NFL Fox Sunday, and she
had to go every every Thursday night she had to go,

(41:00):
and I got joy four days a week, not Friday.
Then I just you know, we'd figure out a way
to make Friday work. But I'm into more good stuff,
not I'll take less availability if the quality is high
over perfect availability and the quality is met. Listen, if
Patrick Mahomes misses two games a year for the next

(41:21):
decade and he plays fourteen of sixteen, I will take
that over Eli Manning's last eight years. That's all I'm
saying is that you know, this whole thing about Carson
Wentz is hurt. He's still great when he's on. I mean,
I feel like that's why you don't really like Dac
that much, is that he's there because I like that
he is available, even though he is not at the
you know, Patrick Mahomes level. But you would prefer someone

(41:44):
like Carson Wentz who has a higher talent ceiling, and
I miss that's not always available. If two of misses
two games a year for a decade, but I get
the it and special Listen. Zion Williamson Kawhi Leonard is
a great example. Kawhi gives you sixty games, but when
it matters he's good. I mean, I just this, James
Harden gives me eighty, but when I need him, he's exhausted. Yeah,

(42:07):
I think I think I subscribe to this theory. My
exceptions is Dak, I guess, because I do like that
Dak is available. But I think Dak is better than
he gets credit for as well. So I think I
think I think Dak is better than people look at him,
like you look at him as more average than I do.
So maybe that's why I'm still in your camp. I
have this theory about being nice, like, like, nice people

(42:28):
are wonderful, right, and you can be nice and also
great at your job. But if you're more nice and
just average as your job, I would prefer you be
less nice and great at your job. Agree, Like I
need I don't need you to be super nice, just
be competent. I'm getting terrible obviously, like I'm a terrible
perpose you'd rather have somebody be a little less nice
but great and reliable in the moment. Yes, totally agree,

(42:51):
especially for work. Like in personal life obviously that's not
the case. But work you got to be good or
I'm not interested. Yeah, if you're once you you're you're
a jerk a year I want to strangle. Yet I'm
okay as long as you're great. The spectrum needs to
be realistic obviously for this jerk status. So I think
we've we've we've really crossed a threshold here is we're
both into mostly be great at your job. If you occasionally,

(43:14):
as an actor, throw a temper tantrum, every two years,
you're an actor, you throw a temper tantrum. But God,
when the when the cameras roll and you're Don Cheetle,
You're Ed Norton, you're great. Maybe that is the La
seeping into us, because that is a very Hollywood mentality,
is it, Yes, to put up with complete and utter
insanity because your talent is so incredible? Yeah? Yeah, that's Hollywood?

(43:36):
Is that Hollywood? Yeah? I don't think. I don't think
that this mentality we're talking about it is really like,
I don't I'm trying to think, like of many people
in Pittsburgh would subscribe to that now more no nonsense.
Places do prefer availability and consistency, and we'll make exceptions
for talent. I think in La, where this is a
talent driven city, you will put up with utter nonsense.

(43:57):
Because the talent here, because the talent level. I mean,
who's the actor Christian Bale, guys unbelievable. He throw he
throws stuff once in a while, but every movie he's in,
you can't take your eyes off Christian Bale. He's so
damn good at Norton's difficult. Every film he's in. I like, so,
I like, if you've given me great, it's better than average,
and great talent is almost kind of synonymous with a

(44:19):
certain level of unpredictability. Yeah. I tell my wife all
the time. She'll be like, you're not here today for me,
and I'll see, what do you mean? She goes, you
got stuff in your head, you're not here for me.
And I'm always like, baby, when I'm here though, it's good. Baby,
When I'm here for you, it's really good. Sometimes I'm
floating up Baron Jetson's territory. You're not here today. You're

(44:40):
not listening to me. Not really, I got stuff going
on upstairs. I mean, yeah, I'm sure you ask our bosses.
They'll be happy to co sign that we're all out
of our minds. But whatever they like, they're stable. It's
crazy town upstairs, all right. Um, So I saw this
the the NFL Top one. NFL dot Com players vote

(45:01):
on this, and players you know, they like mostly accurate,
but players like what they like, and they got Josh
Allen in here. Carson Wentz not I'm out. I'm a
Vegas card dealer. I'm out. List of stupid. But I'll
tell you this. The top ten has been released now.
They haven't told you the order of the top ten,
but here's the top ten players that they'll put him

(45:22):
in order tomorrow. Stevan Gilmour, Aaron Donald, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins,
Lamar Jackson, George Kendall, Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Thomas,
Russell Wilson. I don't know if I put Derreck Henry there,
but it's a pretty damn good list. But you want
to know what defines great in the NFL. One guy
Aaron Donald, not Patrick Mahomes. To Aaron Donald is so

(45:47):
good in a clearly offensive league where clearly everybody appreciates
offensive players. He plays an unglamorous defensive position, and he's
an dominant number one player. When Lawrence Taylor was in
his prime, if I would have asked you, who's the
second best Ed Rusher in the league. You could have
argued over thirty guys. That's how big the gap was.

(46:10):
When Reggie White was the best defensive lineman, I said
who's second, You'd argued over nine guys. That's how big
the gap is. Aaron Donald is so dominant in this league.
The second best defensive lineman to players is a guy
who's always hurt JJ Watt at forty five. Patrick Mahomes
is great, but he's not as electric with his feet

(46:31):
as Lamar Jackson. He doesn't see the field like Tom Brady.
He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson. He doesn't have
the lightning release like Aaron Rodgers. And Mahomes is great,
but there are elements of Patrick Mahomes that aren't Russell,
that aren't Brady, that aren't Lamar Jackson, that aren't Aaron Rodgers.
There are elements. Donald is the best of everything. He's

(46:54):
the best against the run, He's never hurt, he's great
in the locker room. He has forty four sacks and
forty six games from an interior line position. If I
say who's second best, JJ Watt can't stay healthy, there
is no second best. I mean it's when you, I mean,
there are things that Russell Wilson does better than Patrick Mahomes.

(47:17):
No defensive lineman does anything better than Aaron Donald. He's
the best at everything, never hurt, great teammate, he has
doubled on every single snap and often triple team and
you cannot stop him. He is unbelievable. He is the
three best defensive guys I've ever seen. I'm not counting
like safeties. Ed Reid was sick, Dion was sick in

(47:38):
the box. It's Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald. That
is it. I don't even know who's second best, and nobody,
even the players acknowledge the number two defensive lineman is
JJ Watt. He Aaron is a mom, and I love
Fletcher Cox, and I think Chris Jones is special. I
don't even think they're This guy is absurd. And our

(48:02):
buddy Dave Wanstat recruited him out of high school. He
was not a big recruit. That Aaron Donald is unbelievable.
How about this one? So I've been defending Aaron Rodgers
a lot lately, and I'm getting tired of it. But
I defended him today. He went aggressive. He talked about
Jordan Love. I really liked it. Aaron doesn't like me.

(48:23):
He doesn't. He thinks I'm always negative. I'm not ninety
percent of what I say is good. I think he's
passive aggressive. I hate that, and I don't think he's
the easiest guy to get along with. I've got proof,
but be that as it may. First ballot Hall of Famer,
top six guy in the league. I think. I think
he's moved a little out of his prime, but he's
still you know, he's top four or five guys in
the league easily. This though, I couldn't do a show

(48:45):
being nice, so the Athletic did a quarterback tier pull.
Mike Sander was on the show yesterday. So he does
this every year. He talks to fifty coaches in the NFL,
head coaches, coordinators, all that stuff, and they vote on tears.
And Aaron was in the first here. That's fine, but
when I read this, I cringe, said one of the executives.

(49:06):
You know, I've faced him so many times. He's the
same guy. The weapons around him have fallen off. You know,
before they had a mix of young and old guys,
a Randall Cobb and Greg Jettings, James Jones, adding Davante Adams,
He's good. I'm no. Number one. So the insinuation here
is Aaron. You know, he just doesn't have the support
time out, pro football focus. I trust him on old

(49:28):
line grading green Bay number four. Russell Wilson's old line
number twenty eight. Davante Adams is a number one receiver.
Aaron Jones is a number one back, good online, star receiver, starback.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but since Aaron Rodgers got
the starting job in Green Bay, we looked this up

(49:49):
this morning. He's had twelve Pro Bowlers on offense, some
of them multiple two and three and four years, he
said twelve. Tom Brady in twenty years in New England
had eleven in twice the time, and almost none of
them outside of Gronk, were like multiple year guys. It

(50:11):
was a one off, by the way. Russell Wilson all
his time in Seattle, six offensive Pro bowlers, and I'm
here to tell you couple of them. Marshawn Lynch was
a dog. But there's some borderline all pros. So Green
Bay has overwhelmingly been a rock solid organization for Brett

(50:35):
Favre and Aaron Rodgers' career now, Culturally it is not
a free agent destination. You cannot blame Green Bay for that.
They don't have an owner, and it's culturally it's a tiny,
tiny town, so that you can't blame Green Bay for that.
That's just the reality of them. I mean, I got
nothing against the New Orleans Pelicans, but they're not as
glamorous as the LA Lakers. That's not their fault, that's

(50:55):
their reality. If you're five foot three, you'll never play
in the NBA. It's not your fault, it's your reality.
But Green Bay is a well run organization. They've almost
always given Aaron a number one receiver, a really good
offensive line that I bristle at that he just didn't
have the support. I'm not saying he's got Lamar Jackson
or Patrick Mahomes support. I'm not saying that. I'm not

(51:17):
saying he even has Peyton Manning his career support in India.
I'm not saying that. But let's slow down and they
doesn't get helped. Come on, give me a break on that.
Russell Wilson's old line has stunk since they traded away
Max Unger. Four years of garbage. They can't get the
tight end position right. Doug Baldwin's his best receiver. He
was undrafted. Come on, they've whipped on a bunch of

(51:38):
first round pick. Green Bay doesn't whiff on a lot
of first round picks. Seattle does. So that I bristle at,
and you know, I was being really you know, mostly
say nice things about Aaron, but that one I'm always like,
come on, come on, slow down, slow down. I don't
want to hear about that. Green Bay's well run. There's
five organizations in the last twenty years that I've almost
always been well run. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New England.

(52:03):
You would admit, though they bailed on giving him a
defense of any sort. Though well bailed or I mean,
it's not like they haven't drafted defense for three straight
years bailed or top free agents don't want to play
in Green Bay. I don't think they've bailed on it.
I mean they've gone heavy into the secondary, and they
went and got two free agent linebackers last year. I

(52:23):
don't think bailed's a fair word. I think they've I
think they've I think they've given him more than enough
help on the offensive side, and Aaron has been. He
has helped elevate those players. Aaron deserves credit. Their defenses
haven't been as good, but there's a reality in this line.
He's got to go out and put up thirty five
points every game to win. Hey, I'm carrying this network

(52:44):
on my shoulders. I hear me complaining about it. Okay,
cant have a jerk today. I really I slept well too.
I'll tell you what it is, that non alcoholic beer.
If that crap takes over the country, I'm out. I'm
moving to Canada County real beer. If we're going non
alcoholic beers the next thing, I'm out on out. I'll
tell you right now. I'll be like Tom Hanks. I'll

(53:05):
move to Greece. I'll just get citizenship somewhere else, all right.
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(53:50):
I do think baseball is in a unique spot with
all that travel. It's a little bit of a global sport.
I think it's gonna be really hard for baseball, but
I think they're gonna get through it. And there's gonna
be ops and starts, and it's going to be difficult.
But the games have been great. I've been watching them.
They've been fantastic. Not as much juice without fans, but
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you some ambiance. I've enjoyed it a lot. Eric Mangini

(54:13):
three years the Jets head coach. A couple of years
in Cleveland, He's coached under Belichick. Harbon, Bill Parcels, part
of three Super Bowls in New England is joining us
in Cape Cod. Beautiful part of the country. So let's
start with the Jamal Adams train. Let's start with that.
So Saturday, I get it on my phone, and my
initial reaction is good, Hell, Seattle gave up a ton

(54:33):
for a safety. Minka Fitzpatrick got just one first round
pick and he's terrific. So that's my gut feeling. And
then you can peel layers back. But what was your
initial take when you saw it? The same thing that
the fact that Seattle was willing to give up two
number one is really bailed out the Jets because once
you start going after the owner, which is look, he

(54:54):
had gone after that coach, he had gone after the organization,
and then he went after the owner. So the Jets
were gonna have to make him move. He couldn't stay there.
So if you wait, you know that that his value
is going to come down. It's not going to go up.
So to pay that price, it's that's the price that
you would expect there to be multiple suitors where you
had to you had to push it that high. Yeah,

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So Aaron Rodgers talked about the elephant in the room.
So if you were the coach, Aaron came out yesterday
on a podcast and said, I'm probably not gonna end
my career here. I'm not bitter, but they moved up
to get Jordan's Love in the first round, they moved
up to get him. I'm older, I'm expensive, and to
me that my takeaway was he now releases all the

(55:40):
tension out of the room. Everybody can talk about it.
We're all aware of the situation. We don't have to
walk on eggshells about Jordan Love at practice. I loved it.
As a general manager. It's like I can go up
to Aaron and we don't have to pretend it doesn't exist.
But if you were coaching Green Bay today and Aaron's
come out and said, listen, I see the future, I'm

(56:00):
not in it here, would it bother you? Well, I
think that's that's the message that they wanted to send
when they drafted the quarterback. When you make that decision,
you're you're saying that we're drafting the future. And Aaron
Rodgers was the one guy on that team that was untouchable.
And Aaron at times. Look, I don't know him, I've
never dealt with him from a coaching perspective, but I'm

(56:21):
sure he's got a pretty strong personality. And for a
young coach, this sends a message to him and to
the rest of the team that this is that there's
nobody bigger than the team. If anything, it's a great
situation because Aaron played extremely well last year, and now
if he thinks he's going to be leaving either next
year or the year after, you're getting an even even

(56:43):
a higher motivated player because he's working on contract years.
He's working on on his potential future, which which isn't
going to be in Green Bay. But I don't think
it's going to be next year, Colin. I think we're
at least two years away from that. Okay, so listen,
nobody agrees with me on what I'm gonna say. But
nothing the Patriots do is random. They're the least random

(57:03):
team in the history of the world. Everything's got a plan.
So they didn't really go after Tom's replacement, Cam Newton.
They let everybody in the league have a shot at him.
You know, they brought him that. That wasn't aggressive. They
weren't aggressive in free agency. They let really marginally expensive
guys go. Now the whole team's opting out. I don't
think it's the worst thing in the world to go
seven to nine or eight and eight. They're not tanking,

(57:26):
But good lord, we got three a plus quarterback prospects.
They don't have a quarterback for the future. How can
I not be a little cynical and think this feels
like a sudden This doesn't feel random to me, So
tell me how wrong I am. Okay, you're completely wrong.
The Cam Newton situation, that was a function of a

(57:47):
lottery ticket. All the risk is on Cam and that
they've got five hundred and fifty thousand dollars and on
Cam And what does Tampa Bay have fifty million dollars?
And on Tom Brady? So if he works out, he
works out. If not, they've got the two guys that
they had before. In terms of playing for a quarterback.
Bill has been a head coach. This will be twenty

(58:08):
six years. He's never drafted a quarterback in the first round.
He's got two of his kids on the staff. This
is a year where Tom Brady moves on and everybody's
debating legacy. I don't think that that he's immune to that.
So the idea that he would tank or try to
lose to get a top tier quarterback, no chance. Tanking

(58:32):
is the wrong word. Couldn't you say he's rebooting. It's
a convenient time to reboot, just like it's a convenient
time sometimes to sell a stock. You didn't buy it
to lose money. But if you're gonna take a capital
gains hit, you sell us stock to help you on taxes.
You certainly didn't buy it to lose money. But there
are times where the timing. Golden State's a prime example.

(58:53):
Golden State, they're not tanking, but Steph got hurt, Clays
banged up. You know what, just a pretty good year
for us to take a step back to get a
lottery pick next year. What if I took the word
tanking out, he's rebooting. Well, look, I don't think that
they knew that this many guys were going to opt out,
because they would have nothing as random as you said,

(59:18):
and then they plan and they look towards the future.
So if you had anticipated this volume of guys opting out,
you you probably would have done some things differently. I
was surprised by that number as well. But it's and
I get your market analogy, and I get your stock analogy,
but this it's not the same. He has to reboot

(59:42):
almost every year. He's he's the king of rebooting, but
it's always rebooting with the idea of winning the division.
And being a position to go deep into the playoffs.
It's not rebooting in order to get a quarterback. He
doesn't draft quarterbacks high. That's that's not what he does.
And you know, as he as he gets further on

(01:00:03):
his career, it's hard for me imagine he's changing that
philosophy that that dramatically. So the NFL at shift gears
top one hundred players voted on by the players. So
some of its nonsense. They got Josh Allen in there,
but not Carson Wentz stupid. All right, whatever if I
said to you, I said to you, forget position, single

(01:00:24):
best football player in the world right now, who is it? Well,
I would have to go with Patrick Mahomes. I think
that it's hard to argue against what he's done. And
then the type of force multiplier that he's been in
Kansas City and the fact that he's he was able
to overcome some of those leads that they that they

(01:00:44):
had that so it would it would start with him.
You're talking about league multiplier stuff. Okay, I don't care
about position, So I would argue this, there are things,
there are things in the league that he's not the
best at quarterback. He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson.
He's not as explosive dynamic with his feet as Lamar.

(01:01:04):
He doesn't read the field quite like Brady. His release
isn't quite as fast as Rogers. Aaron Donald is so
good there's no second you can't even pick up the
number two ranked defensive lineman is a guy that can't
stay on the field JJ Watt, who has like fiftieth
in sacks. Aaron doesn't even have a peer. And it
reminds me of Lawrence Taylor when Lawrence Taylor was the

(01:01:25):
best player in the league. If I ask you who's
the second back to Ed Ruger, there really wasn't an answer.
He was so far above everybody else. Look, Aaron Donald
is amazing when you just look at him. Over the
last couple of years, he's almost thirty five sacks was it,
forty five tackles for loss and close to sixty five

(01:01:46):
quarterback hits and everybody's planning to try to stop this guy.
It's not like he's sneaking up on anybody. You're game
planning to make sure that he doesn't ruin the game.
And he still has that type of production. Yeah, he's
incredible at his position, and he's an interior defensive lineman.
You can slide the line and get some help for him,

(01:02:07):
and then you can also keep backs in and try
to deal when people are game planning for him, and
he's that disruptive. Yeah, he's he's an incredible player. What
was your first year in the NFL. My first year
in the NFL was like nineteen ninety four, I think,
so Lawrence Taylor was out of the league. Yeah, I

(01:02:28):
watched a bunch of My dad growing up was a
Diehart Giants fan, so I watched a million Giants games.
It's like the only thing we could watch in our house.
So I got that's to see plenty of Lawrence Taylor,
didn't you know, didn't take much to know even as
a young kid that he was different than everybody else.
Was Reggie White out of the league? Uh No, Reggie

(01:02:53):
was still around at that time. Yeah, because that's what
Aaron Donald reminds me of. He's so much better than
everybod his position. It's colin. The thing with defensive linement
is you you talk about that all the time as
as a head coach in his offensive staff, who's the
one player that can ruin the game if we don't
take care of him, if we give him that that

(01:03:14):
single opportunity, who can single handedly ruin the game. And
every single time you're talking about Aaron Donald, like a
year and a year out, he's barely ever missed any time.
What's he missed two games in his career? Yea, So
he's had impactful, uh level of production a year and
a year out and miss no time. It's hard, it's
hard to find a peer. Yeah, it sounds like you're

(01:03:36):
backtracking on that Mahomes comment. To me, that's what it's
if you finally know, how can you how can you
possibly take an interior defensive linement over a quarterback? You couldn't.
You can't do it, Colin. If that's the way you
see the world, I don't know. Okay, I know you're
I know you're in a bad mood today, a non
alcoholic beer is reportedly taken over the world, and I said,

(01:03:58):
I'm moving to Canada. I'm not drinking non alcoholic beer.
What's the point. Where where did you hear that from?
I heard it on Twitter beer commercials. No Twitter. Twitter
is totally accurate on everything. Yeah, that's where I get
all my news. Why would you go anywhere else? All right, Eric,
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(01:04:40):
it's it's not really an article. It's just like, you know,
a top ten list of reasons why you would want
to drink, like what's not alcoholic beer? Gay? First one
notes no alcohol, it's good for your liver, blah blah blah.
What's two? Two? It says it can help you cut
down on your drinking. What's the point of that? Three?
Three is healthy? It's not that healthy. Water is healthier.
The water is healthier and has the exact same benefits

(01:05:03):
of not alcoholic beer. It's not going to get you drunk.
It contains less calories five, it won't get you drunk again.
I don't, I don't. I'm looking for the point here.
I'd argue those aren't benefits. It tells you what's in it.
I guess they have to list all of the ingredients,
because when I drink beer, the first thing I do
check the ingredients. It's sometimes costs less. I guess that's

(01:05:26):
not that doesn't mean anything. It helps you fit in
to no group I've ever wanted to be part of.
And that's the worst reason. It allows you to support
the beer industry in pubs, and it's natural. I don't know.
None of those. I don't care about that. None of
those are one group. Have you ever been in You're like, hey,
Bob's going non alcohol like sometimes you know, when I
was undisputed, I could not drink during the week because

(01:05:47):
I had to get up at three twenty in the
middle of the night, like at three twenty in the morning,
that's still the middle of the night. Could drink during
the whole time, I mean Monday through Thursday. No, I
mean not if I want to function in the morning.
And another reason this shows way better. Uh, it's it's
a different schedule for sure. No. I mean, listen, I
I care about being great at my job. So that's
a sacrifice that I made. I made up for it
on the weekends. Don't worry. But like if I would go,

(01:06:10):
say to an early dinner and everyone's drinking, you know
what a life I'm still gonna I would just get
a soda water with lime, and that's that's just what
kind of It's very early in LA. I survived. It
was okay. It was actually probably good for me. So
Adam Gase was the target of a lot of Jamal
Adams complaints about the Jets. But after all the negativity

(01:06:31):
leading up to Jamal's trade, Gaze just wants his team
to move forward. We wish him nothing but the best.
Our organization, we want nothing but the best for him.
Hopefully he has great success. Yeah, we want guys that
want to be here, and obviously you don't want to
be here anymore now. So the decision wants to move
on and that's a done deal. And you know, I'm

(01:06:52):
going to focus on the players that are currently on
a roster. Yeah, he wanted to be there. He just
wanted to contract a different coach. He can't have everything.
He's gonna get it, though, because he's great. The thing
that I don't understand about this Jets move because they
didn't really get the Seahawks didn't get fleeced in the trade, right,
he Carroll is not. He's capable of pulling off a

(01:07:15):
proper trade. They got a great player, for sure, thing,
which I personally prefer over a bunch of draft picks
which you don't know what are going to become. My
question is you have the draft picks right, You drafted
Jamal Adams. Him becoming this great player is exactly the
purpose of the draft. No, but when you start calling

(01:07:38):
out owners and Okay, that was that was last week.
I know, but that's just start calling out people that
was last week? How did we get to that? Points? Like,
how do you get to this point? My thing is like,
this is on the Jets, right. The Jets may feel like, Okay,
he's out of there, and look, I don't know what
went on behind closed doors. We're basing all of our
statements off of the information that we know. I just
feel like, rarely does this happen in this situation where

(01:08:01):
the culture is solid, right, Like you want players who
want to be there. Although Pittsburgh had a lot of
and I would say that Pittsburgh's culture has not been
that's that's steady over the past couple of years. So
there's been there, they've been incredibly noisy for the Steelers,
Like they've been very off brand brand for the Steelers.
So when things are being run well and overall the
Steelers are well run organizations, certainly better than the Jets

(01:08:24):
and certainly have had more success. But I just think
that this is not this is not all on Jamal Adams,
Like I don't. I have a hard time believing that
he just freaked out. Like, what is the relationship with
your head coach and your star players? Yeah right, it
was you. If you can't get along with your stars,
you know, how is it going with the rest of
the team. My my rule on this, it's it's almost

(01:08:45):
in all businesses, I'm I'm a believer and no friendly fire.
Like if I owned a team, I'd be like, listen,
here's the here's the only rule in the building. No
friendly fire. It's hard enough to win in this league.
I don't want players taking shots at coaches, coaches taking
shots at and GM's taking shots at owners. So for me,
the minute if I ran a team or owned a team,
the minute a player took shot at us, i'd be

(01:09:07):
out because they But for me, I'm very sensitive on that.
I've I've I know, I'm with you. That's called mind
d own business. Yeah, I don't like Flo's called keep
things behind closed doors. Yeah. So like if I owned
the team, i'd I would. I would literally do one
meeting a year with my team. I would come up
because I would. I would not be a meddling owner.
I would say, I'd put everybody in front and I'd say, listen,
if you're pissed, I'm gonna be here four days a week.

(01:09:31):
One day I'm in the Bahamas because I'm rich. I'm
gonna be here four days a week. You come yell
at me. Do not put it in New York. No. Yeah,
You've got to keep your You gotta keep your dirty
lines behind closed doors. You might have had moments were unhappy.
Just yell at me. Just don't go to the LA Times.
That's all I do. I just scream and call it. So.
Sue has arrived the Dolphins facility to start his first
NFL training camp, and many questions about his health of

(01:09:53):
him put to bed. More is confirmed today that to
pass his team physical and we'll be able to practice
out limitations. He's limping there. He is only what time out.
That's a limp. That's a little limp. He's just walking.
That's a limp. That's not a limp. He's literally just walking.
That's a listen, you got you got a little swag.

(01:10:14):
You gotta total, you gotta put a little delay in
the in the walk. Do you think that's a swag?
I think that's a limp. I think that's uh. I
think that's the future of the Miami Dolphins right there.
I am I'm not. I'm like all drugs side, I don't.
I don't look like a limp to me. Walking that's
a limp. Well, he's not limping because he just passed
his physical and he's able to practice without any limitations.

(01:10:36):
If just out of his hip injury, I think so,
I think you have a new lead. No, you don't.
This is you're not. You don't see any limp there. No,
he's just Walking's a limp. If NBC News doesn't lead
with us tonight, there, it's it's he's okay, I'm dead serious.
That looks like I mean, how I'm supposed to walk? Wow,

(01:10:59):
Now he's got a little Am I the only one
seeing that? Go to Twitter right now? People hold on
going to Twitter right now. I'm literally telling you that
he passed the physical and he can practice with a limitations.
If he is limping, that would not be the case.
I want everybody, okay, put up on my thing, put
up on my little bird limping or cool walking with

(01:11:21):
two it. I put up a pole. Whoever does that
for this company? I don't even know who does that? Wesley,
get on that. We're not gonna have time for ty
Law the next segment. Let's push him to the last
hour because I am dead. This is a I'm not
crazy on this. You are? He says, walking? All right?
Are we done? Yes? All right, Joey with the news.
Maybe we do have time for well Off. That's the news,

(01:11:41):
and thanks for stopping by the Herd line. Okay, I'm
gonna take a break and ask tail off. That's a limper,
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Famer fifteen years in the NFL, A patriot for a
long time, and he is joining us. All right, let's
start with us. I'm gonna show you a piece of
video and I love toa I love him and I
would have drafted him regardless of the hip. But I
just saw a piece of video tie that looks like
a limp to me? Is it? I want to say

(01:12:26):
a swag, That's what I want to say. But it
showed look like Olympus. So if this swag, this swag,
ain't no one point right now with that one. Okay,
So Joy thinks it's just kind of a cool walk. Yeah,
and that might be as cool walk that might be,
you know Alabama thing they walked in. Okay, you got
me on that one. I don't I don't know if

(01:12:48):
that's true. I just I worry about it because now
somebody did say there was a new tree there that
could be landscaping in rocks around the tree. I'd think
that's a good effort, But I don't think that's it.
All Right, We're gonna put a pull up on my Twitter, Okay.
I want to get to two things. As a former
defensive back, the Jamal Adams trade, the Jets got a lot,
but seatdam got a great player. What was your initial

(01:13:10):
reaction to the trade? One, If you have a leader
like that in your in your locker room with New
York Jets, why not try to find a way to
keep them. But I understand if you give up that
much for a player, this is a team sport. I
think he is a great player. Um, he's gonna make

(01:13:32):
a major impact wherever he's at. But two first rounders
and more, you gotta get at up. It's not a quarterback,
you know, at the end of the day. So you know,
I love Jamal Jamal Adams, what he stands for, how
he plays the game, his aggressiveness, his physicality. But at
the end of the day, this is a business. And

(01:13:52):
when you give up two first rounders and some hey,
you got to go. So what do you make of
all these players? Six seven players for the Patriots more
than any NFL team opting out? Explain it to me.
Is it a shot at Belichick? Why why the Patriots

(01:14:12):
opting out? Would they do this if Brady was there?
I don't get it. You tell me, you know what.
I think. There's a lot of things going on right
now in the world that it is more important in sport,
and as much as they're trying as far as the
NFL to follow the guy lives of the CDC, people
have families and kids. So I don't think there's any
right or wrong answer. If I was playing, you know,

(01:14:35):
being a team player, I would check and see what's
going on first, and I would have to consider my family.
I'm not saying that I would be one of those
guys that would opt out, but I would have to
have a clear understanding of what's really going on, and
it's not getting any better anytime soon, so it is
a very scary thing. I know a lot of players
that I've talked to right now or in a tough

(01:14:58):
position because they don't know what to do. People are
having newborns, people have elderly mothers, grandparents, so all those
things is so much unknown right now. But to give
anybody say anything negative about him when it comes to
not wanting to play, I don't think that that is

(01:15:18):
fair at all. I mean, I think everyone has the
right to do was best for them and their family.
So I mean, I have nothing negative to say, but
I don't think it's a knock on the pages. I
think it's about it. It's the times of the unknown
when it comes to the COVID nineteen and they also
the players opting out for New England are mostly veterans
who have made some good money. So Aaron rods and
got Super Bowl rings? That's right? Yeah, So if you

(01:15:41):
got money in rings, what's the why risk? Could I
get that? So Aaron Rodgers came out yesterday, Aaron, and
he was brutally honest. He said, yeah, they moved up
to pick Jordan Love. I'm not stupid. I'm not going
to end my career here. I get it. I'm not
bitter about it. I know it. When you were in
the NFL, go back, did you have this understand at
some point it's not going to end the way I want?

(01:16:03):
Did you? Did you send it a year or two
before it happened? Oh? Absolutely? You know that the NFL
stands for not for long. This is a business at
the end of the day. Uh. Even the great Tom Brady,
the greatest ever played the game. He's playing for another
team right now, as funny as that seems to everybody,
But if you play this game long enough, you will

(01:16:24):
find yourself on another team at some point. There's a
select few players that get to finish their career. But
because of the way the business is set up in
free agency and opportunities that you can create for yourself
or if you get cut, it's just the name of
the game. So Aaron Rodger, he's not exempt, just like
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(01:19:00):
demanding here. I want to see what it is. Okay,
I got somebody. I'm telling you it's just it's just
his his swag. A right, somebody's calling. I'm gonna vote
walking so I can see walking is winning fifty three
point three percent, say walking forty six point seven percent.
Way limping is it on? That's not on my hold on,
let me put it on my site. It's on the herd. Okay,

(01:19:22):
that's on the herd. Twitter. Let's do this is too
a limping or walking? I think it's a clear limp.
I don't even I think it's a show. It again,
he's cleared for all football activity. We've already got sixteen
hunt seconds. All right, So how's he supposed to walk?

(01:19:42):
I'm just telling you that's not a natural. That is
a limp. It's not he's got flavor. He's going to
have a he's gonna have a little what do you
mean a flavor? What does that mean? He's got swag
like he's he's a quarter future of the Miami Dolphins.
He's too, he's a superstar. Okay, I'm gonna walk around.
I'll be in a quarterback. I'm gonna walk on set.
Is a camera ready? I see it? Okay, I'm gonna

(01:20:04):
walk on set and be ready watch this. You can talk, yes,
all right, we are. We are watching to see if
just walk natur yeah, okay, or this that's it. He's
not walking like that. You're putting a whole extra like
where's your cane? You think you? Honestly, I think I

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today is going on. Did you I saw a story
this week? You know, it's sometimes it's weird what the
media is fascinated with and what they're not. Did you
see the biggest story like I'm not a UFO guy
at all, Like it's it's I do think there's things
that are it's mostly lights or other countries. Did you
see where Harry Reid came out and acknowledged this is

(01:21:58):
a forty fifty year polite Titian that we have pieces
of spacecraft that are not from this earth. M that's
like a real story, like only if you didn't always
believe in aliens. Well, I don't believe in ghosts. I
don't believe in aliens. Do you mean you don't believe
in ghosts. I believe in ghats. I do not believe

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in ghosts. I don't believe in a lot of bars today. No,
I've never I don't believe in ghosts. Okay, it was definitely.
I mean, do you think they're like mm and there's
I mean, I don't think they're like flying around the
house and a you know, do you believe in ghosts
looking like a sheet with black eyeballs? Of course there's ghosts.
I mean, of course there's there's you think they're spirits? Yeah?

(01:22:42):
Oh go lord, Okay, anyway, so I've seen ghosts before.
Where in Mexico? You saw a ghost in a pool
at a I was sitting out um on a chair
at night, and there's like a little girl just walked up.
You never told me the story. I've been with you
two years. I was like just starting, Hey here right,

(01:23:05):
ghost story? So I never, I don't. I don't mean
to waste your time, but I want to talk about this.
So I don't believe in UFOs, but I saw one right.
I drove from Eastern Washington University to my hometown on
the coast of Washington. It's about a five hour drive.
It's sleepy, it was night, so I drove over the
Cascade Mountains. I got. I grew up in a snake
shape driveway. Our house was on a hill, and I've

(01:23:28):
told this story before on radio. So I pull up
to it and Mark Fisher, who's now a physical therapist
in Granite Bay, California, is sitting next to me asleep,
and I go Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, there's a glowing
thing over our Frank Lloyd Wrighthouse. It's a flat roof
and I'm like, what is that. He's like, I don't know.

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I pull into the driveway. It goes out and up
and I mean fast. So I walk into the house
with my mom and I'm like, Mom, did you hear anything?
And she's like, no, I didn't hear anything. And she's
a light sleeper, and I'm like, okay, I'm not making
this up. I wouldn't. Why would I do it? But
that said, I cannot believe it's from another planet, but

(01:24:08):
I will tell you things like the Russians have spaceships
that just like, yeah, to come visit your house. Yeah.
I just think other countries are spying on us and
it's a drone like a feature when you were how old?
All right? Anyway, I'm just kind of off. There's definitely aliens.
It's a very human thing to imagine that we are

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the only intelligent like in the entire universe. And I
don't think it's that hard. I've been at companies right
because they've seen what we got going on and they
don't have time for that, like skip this planet. I'll
start with this. I'm very critical of Aaron Rodgers and
very critical of Aaron Rodgers. He was on Kyle Brandt's

(01:24:49):
podcast and and he had this to say, and I
liked it. Was that bummed out of course it wouldn't be,
you know, like I wanted to play my anti career
in Green Bay. I love the city. I grew up there.
Really scotwn twenty one, I'm thirty six now, a lot
of changes during that time, but look, I get it.
I see it completely clearly, and then I'm not bitter

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about it. It just kind of is what it is.
Brady and Garoppolo, they had this irritation for three years.
Nobody wanted to talk about it, and in the end,
New England gave Garoppolo away for a second round pick
because nobody wanted to talk about it. It's one of
the bad moves, probably not keeping Brady, but getting nothing

(01:25:32):
for it that Belichick ever made. Chandler Jones was not
a great move in Garoppolo for a second rounds not
a great move because nobody wanted to talk about it.
Aaron's being brutally honest. I'm thirty six, I had two surgeries.
You drafted them in the first round. Folks, if you
draft a quarterback in the first round, they all play
within two years. In fact, I believe the last quarterback

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to be drafted in the first round who didn't play
in the first two years was Aaron Rodgers. They're gonna
play Jordan Love. They're gonna play them at least next year.
And again, Aaron Rodgers is willing to have a big boy,
grown up adult conversation. Just look at the facts. You know,
they traded up, they drafted them. I would say they

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like them, they want to play them now. I think
quarterbacks you're playing earlier. It gives, you know, give some
latitude for young coaches and gms to you know, to
play there, to play their guys. And I get it,
I really do. Like I don't harbor any ill will
about it. Like was I bummed? Out? Of course it
wouldn't be, you know, like I wanted to play my

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entire career in Green Bay. I love the city. I
grew up there, really was got was twenty one, I'm
thirty six now. A lot of changes during that time.
Aaron's own spaceship apparently I love this FARV didn't end
in Green Bay. Peyton Manning didn't end. An Nby Brady's
now in Tampa Bay, Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Joe Namath.

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You generally, if you want to keep playing, and Aaron does,
you're not going to be in Green Bay. And he
just Aaron just took all the tension out of the room.
He's just Aaron just said, let's just talk about this.
You drafted him in the first round, you're gonna play him.
I get it. This is the Aaron Rodgers I love.
There's there's no This is not being a disruptive player.

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It's being a totally honest player. I was told by
my agent years ago, and it's the smartest thing my
agent ever said. The company you work for in the
media makes the decision to get rid of you at
least a year or two before they tell you. And
I know that's true because in the last year I've

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seen two people who do what I do for a
living get demoted or lose a gig. And I heard
about those conversations three years ago. That's the way it's working.
Green Base. Having conversations right now about Aaron Rodgers two
collarbone surgeries appears to be slightly out of his prime,
really super expensive. You know, can sometimes irritate certain executives

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or coaches. This is the conversation you need to have.
Jordan loves gonna play early and Aaron's adult about it,
logical about it, aggressive about it. This is not a
bad day for Green Bay. Aaron just took all that
like tension in the facility. Look at all, Hey Boom,

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you're gonna replace me. I get it. Let's go play
by the way. I'm not gonna let you beat me.
I'm gonna be great for the next three years. They're
not gonna I'm gonna make the packers have to make
a brutal decision because I'm gonna be great for the
next two to three years. There's no tension here now
instead of Aaron not saying anything and all of us,
like guys like me, are like, oh god, they put
Jordan Love in for a red zone offensive set. This

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is oh, oh god, he looked good in preseason. Oh
what do you Aaron just eliminated all of it. Be
willing to have uncomfortable conversations. It's painful initially, but builds trusts,
which at the end, wasn't the reason Brady left New England.

(01:29:06):
Wasn't it like a trust thing, wasn't It wasn't because
Belichick was a bad coach or Craft was a bad owner.
They weren't paying him, like Brady didn't really trust they
could get him weapons. Brady didn't really trust that they'd
go out and spend money in free agency. It was
a trust issue. Brady just didn't trust that they would

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get him what he needs to beat Patrick Mahomes and
Lamar Jackson. To me, if I'm Green Bay today, I'm like,
thank god, Aaron just talked about the one thing we're
gonna have to kind of talk about for the next
three years. Speaking of talking, Dusty Bakers, the manager in Houston.
He's very upset. Last night the Astros cheaters play the

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Dodgers non cheaters. And of course, the Astros won the
World Series couple of years ago over the Dodgers while cheating.
Now that's not to say if they had not cheated,
they would not have won. Who knows, but it was egregious.
They were based not just stealing signs, uh, they were
stealing signs and relaying that information to all their hitters
in Houston, who it appears, were better because they knew

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exactly what was coming off speed, fastball location, blah blah blah.
So last night, what do you know a Dodger pitcher
sales a ball on a three and oz count over
the head of Astro and Dusty Baker does not like
it at all. You know, you don't throw it a
guy's head. That's that's that's that's playing dirty baseball. I mean,

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now you're, you know, ending his career. And then you
know what really raised everybody is when you know he
told Carlos, I mean, he struck him out and he
told they're a nice wing to see. What are you?
What are you supposed to do? Then? And that's a
good question. I want you to remember that sentence. What

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are you supposed to do? Then? So, what are you
supposed to do? Says Dusty Baker if you call my
batter a name. So, Dusty, what are you supposed to do?
When your team, the Astros stole the World Series from me?
And all Baseball did was, you know, fire at GM

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and take away some draft picks. We didn't get the
World Series? Dodgers didn't get it. What are they supposed
to do? This is a sport that polices itself, that
is the culture. And what you're supposed to do is
now throw the ball at Astros. This is Baseball has
the most punitive repercussions in the world. Even in hockey.

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If I bang one of your guys up against the
board and you send a thug out to beat on me,
at least I can throw punches at you. This is
what you do in baseball. As Dusty said, what are
we supposed to do? They called us a name? What
are the Dodgers supposed to do? Taken away draft picks
doesn't get them the World Series ring? This is what
you do? Well, he threw it his head name the

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litany of players whose careers have ended getting conked by
a baseball Dickie Thon eighties astros promising talent hit in
the head, played years later, but was about a two
fifty hitter. This is what you do. Listen. I'll never
be in a drug cartel, but if I was, you
don't steal from the boss. The repercussions they lop your

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head off. I'll never be a mobster, but if I
was in a New York crime family, I'd never sell heroin.
The bosses don't like it. Why you end up in
the Hudson If you work in baseball and you are
willing to cheat egregiously, these are the repercussions. They throw
an orb at ninety eight miles an hour at you, ribs, butt, shoulders, head. Listen,

(01:32:54):
there are a lot of ways in life. I'm willing
to push the envelope and cheat speed limit sixty, I'll
go sixty five. What am I going to get a ticket?
I've jaywalked before. Want to get to a restaurant? Quicker?
Don't want to wait nine minutes for a light? What
am I going to get a twenty dollars ticket? I've
pulled up before seven minutes on the parking meter. I
think it's gonna take me ten. I'll roll the dice.

(01:33:15):
Who a parking ticket? When the repercussions. You know, in football,
I'm super aggressive. I may jump offsides. Who a five
yard penalty? So what? That's why so many edge rushers
they inch, they inch, they inch. They try to guess,
they try to guess the snap count. If we're leading
by a couple of touchdowns, you got to throw it
to five yard penalty. Okay, it's second and five, not

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second and ten. But in baseball, these are the repercussions
for cheating. It's a sport that has the most punitive
repercussions in the world. Soccer didn't do this. Basketball a
hard foul, all right, you get a couple couple free throws.
Football you're off sides. It's a five yard penalty. Baseball,
you cheat, I'm throwing at you high. Then don't cheat

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like you gotta know in your business, what's the penalty
for the crime. And obviously baseball is not a carteller,
a mob family, not analogous. But there are places where
the crime is a slap on the wrist. That has
never been the case in baseball. You cheat, you are

(01:34:23):
a target for a long, long time they hold grudges
in baseball, I mean forever. It's a sport that's history
is everything. And Houston ninety eight in the Ribs ninety
eight high that's what you get. Sorry, taking away a
few draft picks and fire in your GM is not

(01:34:43):
enough for the Dodgers. Joe Burrow, Bengals quarterback in Big Trouble.
Bill Polian agrees with me, and he's a genius. Bucky
Brooks too coming up. Be sure to catch live editions
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Bill Pollian's a Hall of Fame executive. He said that
I like when I'm gonna win an argument, and I
know a year out I'm gonna win an argument. I've
said before, I want to get it right, not be right,
but I'd rather be right than be wrong. And I
already when everybody was given the Joe Burrow as Tom
Brady's Peyton Manning, he's lebron Joe Montana, I said, you're
out of your mind. He's gonna get swamped this year.

(01:35:27):
Joe Burrow's gonna look incredibly average. There'll be times this
year You'll watch Joe Burrow and you'll think he's a bust.
He won't be, but you'll And there's three reasons. One
between Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cleveland's front seven, those are that's
the best defensive front seven division in football. Number two, no,
OTA's no preseason, he's just walking in there hot. Number

(01:35:48):
three is the Bengals offensive lines a mess. Pro Football
Focus has a thirty first. He's gonna get overwhelmed in Cincinnati.
And I still don't know if his coach is any good.
But Bill Polian came out and he said, quote, Joe
Burrow's gonna struggle. He's gonna struggle. He's so far behind. Now, Lord,
he goes, this is Bill parcels. The best way to
learn how to play football is to play football. We

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played football in training camp. OTAs, we're not doing it
this year. These guys are gonna struggle. They're gonna have
such a hard time. By the way, here's a stat
from ninety six to twenty thirteen, seventeen years big enough sample,
said Bill Polian, first round quarterback succeed at a winning
level in the first two years at thirty four percent.
Try that one on Persia said, Poldian, think about it,

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Peyton Manning twenty eight picks rookie year. I think Burrow
is gonna get crushed. Cincinnati's old lines bad, the divisions loaded.
Look at all the pass rushers in that division. The
Baltimore front was good. They added class Campbell, Olivier, Vernon, Miles, Garrett,
Sheldon Richardson in Cleveland. I mean, good God, Mike Tomlin

(01:36:51):
has built a unbelievable linebacking corp in front in Pittsburgh.
So it's great to be right A year in advance.
It's fantastic to be right. I'll tell you that right now,
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Let's go to Bucky Brooks played in the NFL, drafted
in the NFL, former NFL scout with the Hawks and
the Panthers. So can you admit now, Joe Burrow's gonna struggle.
It's gonna look ugly a lot this year, like it's
gonna look like there'll be Sundays that we're gonna go
this isn't gonna work. It's just not gonna work. I mean,

(01:37:35):
he's certainly not stepping into the ideal situation, not having
offseason OTA's preseason games. This is unlike anything that we've seen.
I would have to go back to the twenty eleven
lockout when Cam Newton came out number one overall. Pick
didn't have the opportunity to have a full offseason because
of the lockout, But look the first two games when

(01:37:56):
he had an opportunity to play, he lit it up
for four hundred yards back to back games. Depending upon
how Zach Taylor builds this offense around Joe Burrow, there's
a chance that Joe Burrow could hit the ground running.
It doesn't look like it's going to be the case,
but I wouldn't dismiss him because it's all about the
synergy and connectivity that he has with his coach and
the continuity that he builds with what I think is

(01:38:18):
a very talented perimeter set of playmakers on the outside
in Cincinnati. But I think Cam's a better prospect than
Joe Burrow. Am I nuts, No, You're not nuts. Cam
is a much better prospect coming out than Joe Burrow. However,
I will say this, if they do what Zach Taylor
has talked about doing, which is basically take what they
did at LSU and put Joe Burrow in that offense,

(01:38:40):
it could work. We saw what happened with Kyler Murray
with Cliff Kingsbury. They put him in an offense that
was very reminiscent to the things that he did in Oklahoma.
He has success. It all depends upon Zach Taylor being
able to really elevate Joe Burrow about put him in
the office that's very comfortable and familiar. Okay, So the
Jamal Adams trade, I first thought was, wow, two first

(01:39:03):
a third in the starting safety. That's a lot you
You don't like giving up good players you enjoy always
fall into this, Oh, you can't give away great players.
And I'm like, if you I'm not gonna sell my house,
but if you're gonna overpay for it by forty percent,
I'm selling my damn house. Two first a third and
the safety for Jamal Adams. Would you have made the

(01:39:25):
deal of it? I would have made the deal if
I'm the Seattle Seahawks. But let me give you a
little backstory in context. Josh Snyder and I were together
in Green Bay in nineteen ninety six. The Green Bay
Packers went on to win a Super Bowl that year.
On that team, Leroy Butler. Leroy Butler was an All
Pro safety. I would say he reinvented the hyper safety
position during that ninety six season. He has six and

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a half sacks, five interceptions, and over a hundred tackles.
When you look at what Jamal Adams brings to the table,
you cannot label him a true safety. He plays down
in the box. He's a guy that can get to
the quarterback. We've seen it in his first three season
he has twelve sacks. He is a guy that also
can generate turnover, which we've seen with twelve takeaways. When

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you're getting Jamal Adams and you put him in Seattle's defense,
you're getting Camp Chancellor plus, meaning you're getting the enforce
in the middle of field, plus pass rush ability plus
the ability to take the ball away. I believe the
Seattle Seahawks are defined by their defense, particularly the Legion
of Boom, the new version of that. They needed somebody
in the middle that could be a second level headache.

(01:40:30):
That is what Jamal Adams is he's the enforcer on
their defense. So Joey doesn't like draft picks. I kind
of agree with her on that. I like certainty over speculation.
And Seattle is going to get the Jets too low
first rounders because with Russell Wilson, they're not finishing eight
and eight. That's not going to happen. So where do
you land on the whole? I got a great player

(01:40:50):
like Oakland gets up Khalil Mack and they got draft
picks and they hit on two of them. They hit
on two of them. What is your theory as a
former player a scout on draft picks for star players.
I want players over picks. I want to know that
what I'm getting is going to be an all pro player.
Because Colin, for so long, we hear people talk about

(01:41:11):
a drafting develop is the way that you build your team.
But when you draft a player six overall and he
plays at an all pro level in a Pro Bowl
level in two of those three seasons, he and JJ
Watt are the only guys that have two hundred plus tackles,
ten plus sacks, twenty five pass breakups. Yeah, you're talking
about a gold jacket type player. So no, I'm not

(01:41:31):
willing to give those guys up for nothing. And when
we think about the difficulty and being able to draft players,
I just like sticking with guys that I know, and
I believe Joe Douglas is going to be a good
evaluate that he's going to select good players. But jos
know this about the New York Jets, five out of
their last six number one picks have been traded away

(01:41:53):
or cut. That is not bold well for them, not
only selecting a player that's gonna play up to Jamal
Adams talent level, but their ability to retain and develop
those kinds of players. So my agent Oas tells me
that companies decide to get rid of employees guys like
me a year or two before they tell me. So,
Aaron Rodgers comes out yesterday on a podcast and he said, listen,

(01:42:15):
they moved up in the first round to get a quarterback.
I'm not stupid. My career is not ending here. You've
been in meetings with general managers when the Packers moved
up in the first round to get Jordan Love. Were
they essentially saying, listen, it's two years and Aaron's gone.
Because Aaron's the last quarterback that was drafted in the
first round that didn't play for two years. So what

(01:42:36):
are they saying to Aaron No, they are staying there.
Colin and I think this is smart by the Green
Bay Packers front office, not necessarily to move on from
Aaron Rodgers. But we all talk about the quarterback position
being the most important position in football, yet we want
Gas to wait until they have a need for a
quarterback before they go get one. By getting Jordan Love

(01:42:58):
now they give them They give themselves an opportunity to
really develop him, to see if he has the chops
to be able to do it. But also keep this
in mind, thirty three percent of the starting quarterbacks in
the Super Bowl since two thousand and eleven had been
guys playing on the original rookie contract. Jordan Love would
give the Packers the opportunity to take advantage of having

(01:43:20):
a quarterback, a starting quarterback on a cheap rookie deal
that enables you to build up the pieces around the quarterback,
the defense, the playmakers, the running game, all of those things.
It is something to consider. Pat Mahons won the Super
Bowl on his original rookie contract. We are seeing more
teams trying to build the championship team during that window

(01:43:41):
with the quarterback not making significant money. Well, by the way,
Aaron would have a market the raid I can tell
you right now the Raiders would make a bid tomorrow
if he was on the market, that the Bears would
make a bid tomorrow. If I mean he's going to
have a market. If Aaron even in the next two
at thirty eight years old, he's gonna have a market.
Let me throw this out there, so I'm not I
don't believe in tank in the NFL. I do think
there are times teams reboot. I think Miami last year

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with Brian Flores, Brian knew didn't matter if they went
Owen sixteen. He wasn't getting fired. Brian got rid of
some nice players that were expensive to get draft picks
step back to take two steps forward and create clarity
and a vision through his eyes. I don't know what's
going on in New England, but I think it's really
weird that they didn't really care to get a backup.
I mean, Cam wasn't a plan. Otherwise they wouldn't let

(01:44:26):
every other team have a shot at him. They weren't
aggressive in free agency that let good players marginally expensive
go another whole damn team's opting out. I don't know
what's going on in New England, but how do you
explain six guys opting out in New England suddenly? Well,
I think six guys opted out like they had more
to do with family situations. You had players who had
newborns or babies on the way and they wanted to

(01:44:47):
make sure that they took care of their family situations
and the life. But I'm gonna do this because there's
been a lot of conversation this offseason about how vulnerable
the Patriots are, how we're ready to annoint the Buffalo
Bills as champions of the AC. Here's what I will
caution everyone about that the New England Patriots understand how
to win, and Bill Belichick has done it with a
cast of characters and fitted in. I think the best

(01:45:10):
thing that has happened is by the guys opting out. Now.
Bill Belichick absolutely knows what he has to deal with
when it comes to plugging in those holes. Keep him on.
In the draft, he went and got Kyle Dugger in
the second round, a safety that Cameron plays Patrick Chump.
He took two linebackers also in rounds two, and three
to give him an opportunity to replace Dante Hatzauer, who

(01:45:33):
was also playing as a bit of a role player
for this team. Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaches,
if not the greatest coach that the NFL has seen.
He will find a way to make sure this defense
is not only competitive, but playing at a high level.
And oh, by the way, he gets an opportunity to
play with a guy like Cam Newton, something that they've
never done. He gets to unleash an entire new offense

(01:45:56):
on the league without the advantage of them seeing them
on preseason. I think the Pages will be fine. I
expect the Pages to continue to lord over the afcast.
By the way, you're a former player, so players, you know,
players are always impressed by, you know, the weight room warriors.
So some of these guys on the NFL top one hundred,

(01:46:16):
I mean J. J. Watt way too high, Jadeveon Clowney
way too high. But they are physical specimens. I get
you're a former player, you're impressed by muscles, whatever, But
not having Carson Wentz in the top one hundred, fucky,
Come on, give me a break. Did anybody watch television
in December. Using your analogy, he carried scout team guys

(01:46:39):
or the playoffs? How is he not in the top
one hundred voted on by players? Easy? Now, when we
talked about carry, we talked about being barely above five hundred,
and then he goes out and bows out in a
playoff game. Colin, I think the one thing that I've
known from being around players game recognize his game, meaning
that players get a sense of how other players are

(01:47:00):
based on how they feel about them when they're on
the field. Here's the thing about Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz
has only led the Eagles to great heights when the
defense is played at an A plus level. When the
defense is played average or just at a mediocre level,
he has not been able to elevate them. By comparison,
I'll bring out your favorite guy, Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson

(01:47:21):
has been able to keep the Cottle Seahawks at a
high level regardless of situation and circumstance. That is why
people view Carson Wentz differently. And oh, by the way,
the durability factor is an issue. You have to be
available teams. Players want to see that your best player
is going to be able to gut it out in

(01:47:41):
those adverse situations, even when injuries coming. It's not Carson's fault,
but you like to see your best guys available in
those big moments that he has been available speaking to injuries.
I want to show you a piece of video with TWOA.
I'm gonna show a piece of video. So walker a limp.
Oh no, no, that that's that's Clint Eastwood walking and

(01:48:03):
that's dirty Harry. He's getting ready to send it up
so he can go when when the gunfight. I'm not
worried about two and talking about loud at all. He
got clearance. We're gonna get a chance to see him
practice right away. You're overthinking it looks like he's favoring
that right leg. Hey man, walk walks low, carry a
big stick, walks off the carry big stick. That's all

(01:48:23):
he's doing. See you enjoyed. You just decided you text
each other. You're gonna agree with everything today. God, that
looks like a limp to me. I can't believe it.
But no, no, no, all right, Buck looks good, he
looks good. He's ready to go. All right. Good see anybody, Hey,
good seeing you too. Yeah, So what's the what's the

(01:48:45):
tally on this joy? What's our tally on the walk thing?
Let's see what does America saying? Nine thousand, oh, ten thousand,
Oh my lord, it's right down the middle. Fifty one
percent agree with you, forty nine percent with me. Yeah,
that reality is it's it's kind of um, it's kind

(01:49:05):
of both Like he is walking, but he's walking with
a little limp. But the limp is intentional, but like
not really intentional, because it's just who he is. His
gate is unique. That's a different gate. Well, he's just
got you have to put you You got to pull
a little extra energy in it. You know, like he said,
Clanise Wood, you gotta everybody know you're here. I'll tell

(01:49:26):
you when I did a little bit extra when I
went on the set and did my walk, America loved
that moment. You've never like walked in a room. I
really wanted to kind of establish dominance. Established dominance. Yes,
Like sometimes you gotta walk in a room and you
gotta walk a certain way so everybody knows that you're there.
That's what he's doing. I always thought of our presidents.

(01:49:47):
Obama had a cool gait. It was a confident gate.
That's exactly that's exactly what he's doing. Yes, Yeah, I
thought George Bush Junior had a good gate. He had
a good walk, kind of an athletic walk. Yeah. Generally
when you are the leader of the free world, do
you have a little bit of extra swag? Yeah, those
are our two walkers as presidents. Look with Trump, I'm
staring at that orange chair. I can't pay attention to

(01:50:08):
his block. Say when you sometimes, you know, it's like
when you were senior in high school and you walk
in on the first day of school. You know you
walk a little bit different. You know, you just gotta
Today has been a debate show, which a little bit.
We've debated everything. All right, here's joy with the news. No,
no on the this is the herd Line news. We

(01:50:32):
are going to agree on this though. Last night, the
Dodgers and Astro's met for the first time since Houston
was punished for stealing signs, and things got heated. In
the sixth inning, Dodgers pitcher Joe Kelly through two pitches
that sailed by the heads of Astro's Alex Bregman and
Carlos Korea. Kelly ended up striking out Korea and The
two exchanged words as they walked off the field shortly

(01:50:55):
after the bench is cleared for both teams, which seems
like probably we shouldn't be doing in the luicular time.
This one is look at that, Holy man, that that
is gas right there. Yeah, that was that was intentional. Yeah,
don't cheat, don't steal signs, and you won't have that
happen to you. Well, yeah, that's that's I agree. I agree.

(01:51:16):
I don't love throwing at the player's head. They're pro
athlete taken move because we have seen that, not intentionally
and very badly for players throwing in the back of
the shoulder. But like whatever, um, I don't. I don't
love throwing at the head. But I also baseball not outrage.
Baseball people always were like, you can't throw at the head.

(01:51:38):
Yeah you can. It happened twice last night. Don't tell
me you can't throw it the head because I've seen
guys do it one hundred times in the last ten years. Clearly,
in baseball, you can throw at the head because guys
do it. Here's the thing about the Astros, because there
are no fans, right, we expected this to be the
game of thrones. Cercy walk of shame season for the
Astro and the Astro's got a break, huge break. Every

(01:52:00):
single part they were going to go to. They were
going to be booted the entire time. Fans were gonna
lay it on them, and this was gonna be the
season that. Of course they're gonna get thrown out, but
they were also going to have to deal with the shame,
shame of the fans. They're not doing that. So to
pay your dues for this. I like Joe Kelly a
lot today. I don't like the walking away while talking moves,

(01:52:23):
like if you're gonna, hey, you know, walk towards while
you're talking. It's a little hobby back guy. But he
did initiate it, so so I'm gonna give him pass
on it. I gotta tell you something. I liked this moment.
I'll get that out. WHOA, Now that's not dangerous. Watch
the next one. The first one's not even dead. I
do love the the extra I mean, what do they expect?

(01:52:45):
This is what you this is you did it. Hey,
you're a pro athlete, so to get out, you gotta
you gotta deal with the consequences of it. So Alex
Smith will start chaining camp on the physically unable to
perform list, but is focusing on getting back on the field.
Ron Rivera said that if Smith Smith ends up asking
his physical he'll be a part of Washington's quarterback competition
this year, make him third. If that happens again, I

(01:53:06):
think this is a guy that becomes part of our equation.
That's the truth of the matter. It's going to be
pure competition. I think the big team worth anything else is.
It's going to be about how each guy develops over
the period of time. Yeah, We're gonna try and create
many gamelike situations in our practices as possible so we
can get a good evaluation of our quarterbacks. Obviasusly have
Dwayne Haskins. They also have Kyle Allen. I want to

(01:53:28):
get Alex Smith on the show, and I'm just gonna say, Alex,
I think you're one of the nicest guys in the league.
I do not want to see you play. And I
tell that to him in face. I'd be like, Alex,
you've got a beautiful family. Have you ever seen his wife? Yeah,
hut on the planet and Alex is like a model
and he's rich and he's got everything. Dude, what are
you doing. You're gonna get that thing ripped up? And

(01:53:49):
they got that he wants to come back. He I mean,
he's he went through all that, that surgery and all
those rehabs to try and get back out there. I mean,
I would like to see him have his redemption moments.
I'm with you. The documentary was really hard to watch
me and had seventeen surgeries on that leg. This year
had huge pieces of this leg having to take out
because of flesh eating bacteria. It's it's been a really
crazy road rim but I'd like to see him the

(01:54:11):
least get the opportunity. Twenty twenty has been so weird.
He'll play and get hurt. That's just the way this
year's been. I mean, the certainly hope that, no, of course,
but it's like in twenty twenty, I'm done taking risks.
I understand where you're coming from. It was really brutal
to watch that, like fear. I haven't seen it. People
told me it was just like gut wrenching to watch it.
You haven't seen it. No, I've read about it, and

(01:54:32):
I'm like, I don't want to watch it. I didn't
want I don't want to. Oh my God, I thought
you had seen it, and this is why you found No. No, no,
I don't watch it because if you watch it, you're
never going to be pushed off of this this position.
I mean, it's it's I don't like watching injuries. I
don't like watching surgeries and like reviews, like all that stuff.
It's it's beyond what you could imagine it was. It
was smol Like, dude, it's one of the worst injuries

(01:54:56):
I've ever seen. Gross. I don't want to see it.
I don't like seeing guys. I don't. I've said this before.
I hate seeing pro athletes get hurt. It makes it's awful. Yeah,
they're family generationally, they're kids. The rehab's awful, all right,
Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by The Herd. Lie we always we love

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so we do this thing. Fox has this weekend, the
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hundred and eighty nine percent. So people are into it.
I'm into it. In Best for Last we always do.
We do this about five six times a year. It's

(01:56:01):
called Two Truths and a Lie, and we're gonna do
a baseball edition. So Joy will have three facts. I
have to pick which one is not really a fact,
it's a lie. So two truth and a lie. Here
we go. All right, So let's start with Aaron Judge.
Aaron has a podcast called You Be the Judge. He
has a superstition with bubblegum before every game or he

(01:56:23):
hits hit a home run in his first career at bat.
I think the podcast sounds a little cheesy, so I'll
say that's the lie. That is the lie. He puts
two pieces of gum in his mouth before the game
and keeps chewing it until he makes an ounce. Yeah,
he's got something while on there. Yeah, I've heard that.
All right, mookie bats can solve a Rubik's cube and

(01:56:44):
under two minutes. Has participated in the PBA World Series
of Bowling. Used to call cookies mookies and that's where
he got his nickname. That actually sounds true. That mom,
why do I play? For some reason? I believe the

(01:57:05):
bowling that that's an accomplishment, But I believe that. I'm
going to say that the Rubert cube is nonsense. Nope,
the cookies line is nonsense. So you can solve a
Rube's cuban under two minutes. I don't know. Yeah, I
don't get it. That's very Matthey or something. So Bryce
Harper one GQ's Hair of the Year Award. He has

(01:57:26):
a dog named after a baseball stadium, had a two
had two future All Star teammates on his little league team. Well,
he played little league in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty
good baseball market. Two future All star teammates on this
little league team. That seems too that's just too much

(01:57:48):
little league. It's where you'll live. Like college team. He
didn't play college, that'd be different. Or his high school
team at Bishop Gorman. That's a big that's a big
sports high school. But two future All stars on a
little league team. I don't buy that that is true.
Chris Bryant and Joey Gallo he played with in little league.
The lie is GQ's Hair of the Year Award. Who

(01:58:09):
were his teammates? And little Chris Bryant and Joey Gallo.
He was on a little league team with Chris Bryan
of the Cubs. Pretty good, pretty good team, pretty good squad.
He got gun there. He must have been panels eleven
year olds. That seems so random, all right. Mike Trouts
was banned from baseball carnival games as a kid, the
game where you have to knock the bottles over with

(01:58:30):
a baseball. Almost became a professional golfer and proposed to
his fiance with a sky rider. These are tough. I
don't know. I don't buy any I think being a
professional golfer is so hard. I think that's almost became

(01:58:53):
a pro golfers a lie that's cracked. He did not
almost become on throws offer, would you like to be
proposed to with a skyrider? What do you make that?
That depends on who's asking Colin. But it'd be okay
if it was the right. Okay, yea, if it was
the right. I'm not into the baseball state, your honey,
Let's do something miniment in front of forty eight thousand
Brewer fans, like a beer rolling passer food. Now, So

(01:59:15):
Justin Verlander does everything in threes before a game, sings
the alphabet backwards and forwards in between innings, or his
first car was a purple Ford Focus, I totally agree.
I totally believe the card, the car thing was a
Ford Focus. I totally believe that. Totally believe that, Okay,

(01:59:35):
because I've had so many stories of rich athletes who
drove clunkers. Didn't everybody drive a clunker twenty years ago?
Everybody did? I drove? I mean your first car is
usually I had a car catch fire in Las Vegas. Yeah,
went to a Texico station. Yeah, caught fire on Sahara,
on Charleston Rancho, caught fire. I don't buy into this.

(01:59:57):
He sings the alphabet, sing it backwards and forwards in
between innings. That's a lie. You're right, it is the Ali.
He uses the bath the third bathroom, star stall, and
the soap jar. He pumps three times and uses three
paper towels for a game. That's a little low c dish,
a little bit. Jose l two Bay has the most
home runs by second baseman in postseason history. Oh that's

(02:00:19):
a lot. Scouts thought he was lying about his age
because he's so short. He's five six stores player in MLB.
He set a high jump record in high school. The
most home runs by a second baseman in postseason history.
So Joe Morgan probably has some second baseman don't hit
a ton of Jack's. I think that may be true,

(02:00:43):
and I think the Scouts thing is true. I think
the lie is the high jump record. You ever tried
high jump? You're right, all right? High jump is very difficult,
all right. Finally, Giancarlos stan received football scholarships from UCLA
and USC. He has hit the most home runs in
the season since Barry Bonds hit record seventy three and
two thousand and one fifty nine seventeen. Has the same

(02:01:03):
birthday as Colin Cowherd. I think the first two are
absolutely right. I think he did get football scholarships. I'm
gonna say that his birthdays alive. It is alive. This
is November eight yours is the sixth capricorns. I think
Einstein's birthdays on my birthday, and Elon Musk and Bill Gates.

(02:01:24):
I have Muhammad Ali, Michelle Obama, Dwayne Wade, really strong birthday.
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