Jason REACTS to the blockbuster trade between the Houston Rockets and the Phoenix Suns on the day of Game 7 of the NBA Finals in which superstar Kevin Durant was moved for Jalen Green, Dillion Brooks, the 10th overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft, and 5 2nd round picks. Jason breaks down what this means for the Rockets immediate contention aspirations, as well as how it affects rising Rockets stars such as Amen Thompson and Jabari Smith Jr. Jason also breaks down how the Suns should approach the development of the backcourt of Jalen Green and Devin Booker, and questions whether Phoenix will eventually look to move Booker within the next 12 months.
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guys are having a great weekend. Well I was. I
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saying that most likely the Kevin Durant trade was gonna
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let's talk some basketball. So Kevin Urrant has been traded
to the Houston Rockets. Houston is sending back Jalen Green,
Dylan Brooks, the number ten pick in this year's draft,
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and then five additional second round picks now for starters.
Everyone is dogging the Phoenix Suns today forgetting an awful
asset return and basically nuking their franchise over the course
of the last two years. I have a little bit
more of like a nuanced, positive ish kind of take
on that. We'll share more about it in a bit.
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I'm a big believer in self awareness and not like
doubling down on your mistakes, so we'll get to that
in a little bit. But I want to start with
the Houston rocket This was my second favorite KD destination
behind the Minnesota Timberwolves. I think redundancy is where you
see teams that are on paper looking very talented, underachieved.
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That's how things went south for Phoenix. It's very easy
to talk yourself into just shear in a vacuum talent
into a Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal team being
a very good basketball team. But the problem is, Kevin
Durant and Devin Booker basically do the same job, and
Bradley Beal, while not being as good as Devin Booker
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and Kevin Durant, basically did the same job in Minnesota.
And so I always talk about this big picture concept
of needing to check boxes on a basketball court. You
need your lineup of five guys to check boxes on
both ends of the floor. An offense, it's like advantage creation,
play finishing, screening, you know, all these like different connective playmaking,
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all these different things that you need of the perfect
concoction of for offense to work. Shooting ability, vertical spacing ability,
all these things kind of come together. On the defensive end,
guys that can guard on the perimeter, guys that can
guard multiple positions and different types of switches, Guys that
can protect the rim, Guys that can communicate like on
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the back line, as like as basically the defensive coach,
so to speak, on the back line calling out coverages.
There's all these different things. Defensive rebounding, you need guards
in the NBA these days because of long rebounds to
crack down off of the weak side or off of
the perimeter to help their bigs in long rebound situations.
You need all these boxes to be checked to be
a good basketball team. And so if Kevin, Devin Booker,
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and Bradley Beal all checked the same boxes, there's gonna
be a lot of unchecked boxes. That is the redundancy effect.
That is what causes a team to not live up
to what their potential is on paper. There's no doubt
that Kevin Durant's life on offense in Houston will not
be as easy as it was in Phoenix, or as
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it was in Brooklyn, or as it was in Golden State.
There are places where Kade could have gone where he
could have had an easier life on offense if you
would have chosen Miami. I think with the Tyler Harrow
and bam Adebayo as a screening folk from up top.
Things would have been a little easier for him an
offense if you would have somehow made it to the Knicks,
but Had's skill set would have been less valuable in
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those situations. If we've learned anything in this year's playoffs,
it's that the playoffs are a physical blood bath. Houston
dragged the Rockets. Excuse me, Houston dragged the Warriors to
a seventh game with that physicality. Minnesota bullied the Lakers
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out of the playoffs with that physicality. Look at what
Oklahoma City has done to everybody. Look at what Indiana
has done with their ball pressure in a different form
of physicality, in terms of just the way they can
wear you down by running. You win in the playoffs
by winning the physical battle. And the teams that KD
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has been on in recent years have not been very
physical basketball teams, and that is where they have lost
the rope, which we'll get to when we talk a
little bit about Phoenix. The Rockets, though, are a team
that is perfectly built to thrive in that setting. A
bunch of really big, strong perimeter defenders, even without Dylan Brooks,
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and then a power player on offense, a legitimate power
threat on offense in Alburn Shangoon that can draw into
a lot of defensive attention right around the basket. The
one thing that Houston lacked, despite being a two seed,
despite being able to take that Warriors team to seven games,
the one thing they lacked was high end, refined offensive skill.
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And I would argue KD is still one of the
most skilled and most refined offensive battle squall players in
the entire world. Last year, just this last the season
we're still finishing the one that ends today. He was
still the best jump shooter in the world this season.
Among fifty eight players in the NBA to take at
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least five hundred jump shots. This season, Kevin Durant was
the only player in the league to shoot over fifty
percent from the field. Second place was Shay who was
at forty five percent of full five percent below and
even when you weiit it for threes, Kevin Durant's one
point two to two points per jump shot was number
one in the NBA among the fifty eight players to
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take at least five hundred. He was also far and
away still the best one on one player in the
league last year. Out of the ten players ran at
least two hundred and fifty ISOs including passes. His one
point one six points per possession was number one in
the league and a full six points per one hundred
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possessions better then shake Giljes Alexander, who was in second place.
He immediately comes in the door and provides a ton
of offensive utility for this team. The Rockets didn't have
a single player that you needed to show at the
level in screening action against. I've talked about this concept
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a lot. We talked about it with Desmond Bane and
the Orlando Magic. One of the most valuable things you
can do in the NBA is via threat as a
jumpshooter coming off of a screen, because it inverts spacing.
If you can come off of a screen and knock
a shot down, you draw a lock and trail defender
who's gonna chase you over the top, and you're gonna
force the screen defender, the guy who's guarding the screener
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to come up to contest you. On the other end,
that means your screener can slip out behind it and
there's four on threes all day, every day. If you
have that type of player, he will immediately bring in
so much advantage creation with his ability to shoot off
of screens. This will open up all sorts of opportunities
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on the roll on the skip. When rollers are tagged,
advantages will be much easier to come by for this
Houston team. Amen Thompson has already shown great utility as
a connective passer and as a vertical spacing threat out
of the dunker spot. Now we're going to get to
see a ton of action where a men Thompson is
getting four on three opportunities short rolling off of KD.
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I'm super excited to see a whole new level to
a men Thompson's offensive game. Just by playing two man
game with KD. In dictating that both defenders go with KD,
KD easily drops it over the top. Now, Amen Thompson
is screaming at you downhill with all of the playmaking talent,
the vertical talent, and the shot making talent close to
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the basket to be a threat there, KD will score
an off ball action. He'll attract attention and off ball
like off ball like pin downs and stuff like that. KD.
I've created videos about this in the past. We did
a whole YouTube video about it. A couple of years ago.
Katie is a master at getting easy shots for himself
by setting up his man for screens and doing a
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good job getting open in the flow of the offense,
He'll create space as a weak side spacer off of
Alburn Shangun post ups and face ups. He will immediately
come in the door and make things way easier for
the Rockets on offense. On defense, he provides an element
of functional rim protection that makes Shang Goon a more
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useful defensive player. There was one guy on the roster,
Jabari Smith Junior, didn't play as much as you'd think,
who brought some sort of vertical kind of length element
at the rim for the Rockets as an athlete, obviously
Shangoon and Adams have length, but they're just not great jumpers, right,
They're not guys that are going to block a ton
of shots around the basket. Right. With Kevin Durant, you
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now break out one of those classes two man dynamics
in terms of screen defender in lowman that should allow
Shangoon to be more useful offensively. You can now bring
Shangon up to the level and have him be active
with his hands. Knowing that you've got a seven footer
standing underneath the basket in that lowman situation. I think
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Kevin Durant has always been a pretty underrated defensive player.
His effort can wax and wane from time to time,
but he legitimately has insane tools for the position. He's
just gonna make life better for them on both ends
of the floor. As I look at the Rockets new roster,
because again you're losing Dylan Brooks in this situation, You're
losing Jalen Green at the guard spot. You still have
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Fred van Vliet, There's Reed Shepherd and Aaron Holliday. Definitely
a little light there. My first thought was, like, man,
you remember when Phoenix signed Tias Jones and I told
you guys that I thought it was redundant. That I
didn't understand the point in wasting one of those five
key spots that you have in your star group or
closing group on a player who's again redundant. With Devin
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Booker and Kevin Durant in this roster, if I was
Kevin Durant, I'd be calling Tiaest Jones and being like, hey, bro,
this is the set, this is the setting for you.
They actually need a backup guard, they actually need ball handling,
so why don't you come down here. It's definitely an
area where they're a little light on the wing, Amen Thompson,
Tarry Easton, Cam Whitmore, Jayshon Tate at the forward spot,
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Kevin Durant, Jabari Smith Junior at the center spot, Shangoun
Adams and Landale. Again, I think they're pretty deep and
pretty solid at every position group. They're just light on
ball handling, and so if they can get a backup guard,
a solid backup guard, and again I would literally like,
I think Tias Jones could help the Rockets in a
way that he couldn't help the Suns. That's the type
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of fit where there's less redundancy. If you have Tias
Jones surrounded by a bunch of big, physical athletes, all
of a sudden, his ball handling and shooting becomes pretty valuable.
If you have them alongside a bunch of other skinny
finesse players, it's a redundancy. You're getting a diminishing return there.
Who's the starting slash closing five? So we know it's
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gonna be Shanegun, Kevin Durant and Fred van Vliet most
likely a men Thompson, who's that fifth guy? Though that
fifth guy was Dylan Brooks. That was the spot that
he filled. You start to view a men Thompson because, again,
when it comes to positions offense, you can figure it out. Defense,
you gotta build your lineup spased on who you can guard.
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Amen Thompson is defensively effectively a two guard. He's gonna
guard the other team's best guard. So I think Fred
Van Vliet and a Men Thompson that works defensively as
a backcourt Kevin Durant and Shane Goon works offense or
works defensively as a four to five. Who's gonna play
the three? Though? That's where it gets a little tricky.
Does this mean Jabari Smith Junior starts at the three?
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I think both Jabari and Kevin Durant are pretty much
functionally fore men. Neither of them move their feet insanely well,
neither of them navigate screens insanely well. And specifically, Jabari
Smith is a little bit of a ball stopper on offense.
So I don't love the natural fit of that fifth guy.
They're going to have to figure that out and that'll
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happen in time. Maybe it ends up being one of
the bench guys. Maybe Javari Smith ends up taking a
leap as a decision maker and as a connective playmaker
and as a guy who can move his feet on
the perimeter, and maybe it all comes together. But I
am curious to see how that starting closing five takes shape.
But they do have surpluses they can afford to move
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a guy at a different position group like Jabari Smith Junior,
for instance, is a guy that I think has some
value around the league that you might be able to
flip for a player that stands more in line with
what you need out of that three spot. Like do
you call up a Brooklyn and see if you can
put together a deal that sends Jabari Smith Junior and
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some additional draft compensation for Cam Johnson And now all
of a sudden, you're rocking Cam Johnson and Kevin Durant
alongside of men Thompson, Fred Van Vliet, and Alprin Shang
Gun with just a boatload of super athletes coming off
the bench to anchor everything. They're gonna have some stuff
they need to work out. But I always say, don't
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overthink it. This is the two seed in the NBA.
Last year in the Western Conference that had a kick ass,
physical defense that had a huge problem when it came
to generating offense. Kevin Durant seamlessly slides into that spot
and makes life a lot easier for them. My prediction
is that Kevin Durant right away makes a big impact
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and that the Rockets look like a bona fide contender,
and that everyone starts becoming convinced that Kad somehow got
better or something, which is ridiculous to me. All the
stuff Katie has been saying on Twitter about how basketball
is a team sport and some of the realities of
what's gone wrong over the last few years is true.
Is every bit as good as the Lebron James that
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took the Lakers to the Western Conference finals in twenty
twenty three, or the Steph Curry that has done the
work that he's done with the Warriors over the last
few years. He's been on flawed rosters. Does Kad deserve
some blame for the types of teams that he's put
himself in position with over the last couple of years
and kind of putting him in a position of redundancy,
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putting himself in a position of diminishing returns, sure, but
once you get there and you look at the rosters
and you look at the way it works, there are
basketball reasons why those teams failed, and it wasn't because
Kevin Durant wasn't good enough at doing Kevin Durant things.
Is here's the deal. Is Kevin Durant still a top
tier superstar that's a true needle mover. No, and that's
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why he didn't go for four or five first round
picks this time around. But he is still a legitimate
second tier superstar in this league that on any given
night can play as well as the top guys in league,
and he will immediately address a specific need for the Rockets.
And what I think is frustrating is We're gonna be
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like watching KD in a second round playoff series having
like thirty seven points and hitting three or four clutch
jump shots, and everyone's gonna be like, oh my god,
Kevin Durant, as if it's not the same damn guy
who floundered in Phoenix last year. It is the same guy.
Basketball is a team sport, it is, ultimately, and Kevin
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Durant's gonna go play for a much better basketball team
and you guys are gonna pretty quickly see a lot
of success. That doesn't mean he's gonna win the title necessarily,
it's hard to win a title in the NBA, but
he's in the mix now, and I think that for
most of us, it's just gonna be like such a
pleasure to get to watch Kevin play in meaningful basketball
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games again. That's what I'm looking forward to. These big
spots or you see it's a Big West Conference finals
game or semi finals game or finals game where there's
five minutes left in the scores ninety nine ninety nine,
We're gonna get to see KD in those moments again,
and that to me is the most exciting part. I'm
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I'm this was my second favorite KD destination because I
wanted to see him go play for a physical, ass
kicking team where his specific trait of you know, indomitable
offense would simply serve to lift them over the top,
rather than him needing to carry everything. And that's what
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Houston is going to allow him to.
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On the Sun's front again, it's very easy to go
and look at where they were before the KD trade
and be like, oh man, you trade McHale Bridges and
Cam Johnson and all this draft compensation, and all you're
getting back is Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green, a first round
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pick that's towards the tail end of the lottery, and
five second round picks. I get it. I get that
that looks terrible, but unfortunately that's not actually how life works.
You don't make both of those trades in concert with
each other. You make them separately from each other. I'm
a big believer in taking risks, and I'm a big
believer in self awareness. And what happened to the Suns
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is they took a risk that didn't pay off because
they had self awareness, and now they're moving off of
KD because they have self awareness. And to me, like,
let's be real about what happened with the Suns in
twenty twenty one with Chris Paul and Devin Booker and
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a bunch of really good role players in a year
that was weird because of COVID and all of the
top playoff teams in the league at the time, Miami, Denver,
the Lakers, Celtics, all of them were a beat broken,
just not ready to compete in that season. All of
a sudden, we have this weird playoff run. There's a
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Tray Young led team in the conference finals. There's a
Paul George led team in the conference finals without Kawhi Leonard.
There's this Suns team, and then there's obviously the Milwaukee Bucks,
the one team in that mix that was actually led
by a bona fide superstar that actually had the characteristics
of a championship team. But they won the title. They
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won the title that year. But in the process, the
Suns end up going up in the finals two to zero,
and it looks exciting and it looks like they're there,
but as Draymond Green says, you can have two wins
in the finals and still not be close. The Bucks
random four games in a row. Then you fast forward
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to the next season, they get utterly humiliated by Luka
Doncic in the second round, like straight up sunned by
Luka Doncic in the second round. And I think they
looked at the situation and they went, we're not good enough.
We are not good enough to win the title. That
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is self awareness. Then they look at it and they go, well,
what if we get Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is better
than Mikhale Bridges, is better than Cam Johnson. What if
he puts us over the top. They took a gamble.
There are lots of teams in NBA history that have
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taken gambles and it's paid off, And there are lots
of teams that have done it and it hasn't. Generally speaking,
I'm in support of pushing your chips into the middle
and trying to go for the title. You get one title,
you are immortal in the NBA. And by the way,
in twenty twenty three when the Nuggets won the title,
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who is the one team who like really actually kind
of made things kind of difficult for them? The Phoenix
Suns and it wasn't enough and they weren't good enough
and it didn't pay off. But you don't hang on
to Kevin Durant because you traded four first round draft
picks for him self. Awareness again entered the equation, we
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are not good enough with KD. He is our best
vehicle with which to bring back draft compensation and to
try to pivot and to try to make this thing
tenable for the future. And this is what they did.
So they pushed their chips in and it didn't work.
I don't think it's as bad as it looks on
the surface strictly because that Sun's team from before the
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KD trade was not good enough to win the title
if they were, if they were a legitimate top tier
championship contender perennially, and then they did this totally different conversation.
They weren't good enough, they pushed their chips in, they
got worse. Now they're getting ready to potentially rebuild. Now.
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Jalen Green, I've talked about this with respect to him
and Jonathan kaminga super flawed players, Guys that specifically struggle
with processing and reading the floor, Guys that are inconsistent
with their jump shooting, young players that make a lot
of mistakes, especially on the defensive end. It's a mixed
bag with these guys. But in the modern MBA, with
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how much of the league is played in transition, with
how much of the league is shifting more towards physicality,
with the officiating, with all of these things, having a
true S tier athlete that can get to his spot
and elevate over the top to finish or elevate through
traffic at the rim has a level of comfortability in
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those settings that lesser athletes don't have. Again, does that
mean that Jalen Green is gonna go be a top
ten player in the NBA. No, I don't think that's
gonna happen. But I do think that Jalen Green and
guys like Jonathan kaminga guys in this like super freaky
raw athlete category, have a lot of upside. And so
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again I as far as Jalen Green goes, you're getting
a chance with him. You're getting a chance with him
in Phoenix to see if maybe he can develop into
that type of player. Being around Devin Booker will be
very good for him. Devin Booker has a lot of that,
you know, traditional two guard bag, so to speak. But
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he is an excellent passer. He is a guy who
has developed into one of the better high pick and
roll playmakers in the league. Getting him with Jalen to
help him learn about those reads, to get him to
take a damn deep breath every once in a while
and relax, and to approach the game with a little
bit more of like a change of pace element, all
of that will be good for Jalen. And you know what,
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maybe you can keep Devin Booker around Jalen for a
year and just see how things go next year, and
then pivot off of Devin Booker when the time comes.
I don't like the idea of a Devin Booker Jalen
Green backcourt. I don't think that's a championship backcourt. I
don't think that's a backcourt that compliments each other really well.
But in the short term I like the partnership because
I think Devin Booker has the ability to teach a
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lot of higher level offensive basketball to Jalen. Not to mention,
Devin Booker on Team USA was their primary point of
attack defender, and he can help Jalen Green with his
defensive discipline and his attention to detail. So ultimately, is
it ugly. Yeah, the Suns did get nuked over the
last two years, but the nuking was a product of
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them being aware that they were not a championship team,
gambling on one of the greatest players in NBA history
it not working, and then being aware enough to acknowledge
that it didn't work and to take the first step
forward into the next era. You weren't getting four first
round picks for Kevin Durant, not at his age. He's
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not a true like needle moving, top tier superstar anymore.
He is a second tier superstar that can help an
already really good team go over the top. That's about
what you get in return star with some upside, A
young guard with some upside, Dylan Brooks, who's legitimately one
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of the better three and D players in the league.
I think Dylan Brooks is a really good Dylan Brooks
is gonna help the Suns. Like Dylan Brooks will make
the Suns substantially more of a pain in the ass
to beat next year. There's upside there, there's value there.
Maybe it turns into you trading Dylan Brooks for draft
picks and trading Devin Booker for draft picks. But this
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was the first step into the direction of the next
era of Suns basketball. I don't think they were winning
a title with Chris Paul, Devin Booker and Michal Bridges
and Cam Johnson. I don't think they were close. I
don't think they were winning a title. They went for
it with KD. It didn't work. It's time to move on.
That's what they did today. All right, guys, that is
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all I have for today. Again, we would be back
with Colin Coward tonight. I'm sure we'll have more thoughts
on the KD trade as well. We'll have a new
NBA champion tonight. That's super exciting. I've already talked to
Sam Vessini. He's coming on the show on Monday. We're
gonna be recording an NBA Draft preview. Tons of content
coming out over the next couple of days, and then
the Draft is literally on Wednesday, so the NBA never
stops thanks to a long NBA Finals. It's all running
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into each other now. But we're gonna be with you
guys every step of the way. I will see you
guys tonight after game seven. What's up guys. As always,
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when I woke up was today we are crowning a
new NBA champion, and now Kevin Durant's going to the
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let's talk some basketball. So Kevin Urrant has been traded
to the Houston Rockets. Houston is sending back Jalen Green,
Dylan Brooks, the number ten pick in this year's draft,
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and then five additional second round picks now for starters.
Everyone is dogging the Phoenix Suns today forgetting an awful
asset return and basically nuking their franchise over the course
of the last two years. I have a little bit
more of like a nuanced, positive ish kind of take
on that. We'll share more about it in a bit.
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I'm a big believer in self awareness and not like
doubling down on your mistakes, so we'll get to that
in a little bit. But I want to start with
the Houston rocket This was my second favorite KD destination
behind the Minnesota Timberwolves. I think redundancy is where you
see teams that are on paper looking very talented, underachieved.
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That's how things went south for Phoenix. It's very easy
to talk yourself into just shear in a vacuum talent
into a Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal team being
a very good basketball team. But the problem is, Kevin
Durant and Devin Booker basically do the same job, and
Bradley Beal, while not being as good as Devin Booker
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and Kevin Durant, basically did the same job in Minnesota.
And so I always talk about this big picture concept
of needing to check boxes on a basketball court. You
need your lineup of five guys to check boxes on
both ends of the floor. An offense, it's like advantage creation,
play finishing, screening, you know, all these like different connective playmaking,
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all these different things that you need of the perfect
concoction of for offense to work. Shooting ability, vertical spacing ability,
all these things kind of come together. On the defensive end,
guys that can guard on the perimeter, guys that can
guard multiple positions and different types of switches, Guys that
can protect the rim, Guys that can communicate like on
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the back line, as like as basically the defensive coach,
so to speak, on the back line calling out coverages.
There's all these different things. Defensive rebounding, you need guards
in the NBA these days because of long rebounds to
crack down off of the weak side or off of
the perimeter to help their bigs in long rebound situations.
You need all these boxes to be checked to be
a good basketball team. And so if Kevin, Devin Booker,
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and Bradley Beal all checked the same boxes, there's gonna
be a lot of unchecked boxes. That is the redundancy effect.
That is what causes a team to not live up
to what their potential is on paper. There's no doubt
that Kevin Durant's life on offense in Houston will not
be as easy as it was in Phoenix, or as
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it was in Brooklyn, or as it was in Golden State.
There are places where Kade could have gone where he
could have had an easier life on offense if you
would have chosen Miami. I think with the Tyler Harrow
and bam Adebayo as a screening folk from up top.
Things would have been a little easier for him an
offense if you would have somehow made it to the Knicks,
but Had's skill set would have been less valuable in
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those situations. If we've learned anything in this year's playoffs,
it's that the playoffs are a physical blood bath. Houston
dragged the Rockets. Excuse me, Houston dragged the Warriors to
a seventh game with that physicality. Minnesota bullied the Lakers
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out of the playoffs with that physicality. Look at what
Oklahoma City has done to everybody. Look at what Indiana
has done with their ball pressure in a different form
of physicality, in terms of just the way they can
wear you down by running. You win in the playoffs
by winning the physical battle. And the teams that KD
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has been on in recent years have not been very
physical basketball teams, and that is where they have lost
the rope, which we'll get to when we talk a
little bit about Phoenix. The Rockets, though, are a team
that is perfectly built to thrive in that setting. A
bunch of really big, strong perimeter defenders, even without Dylan Brooks,
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and then a power player on offense, a legitimate power
threat on offense in Alburn Shangoon that can draw into
a lot of defensive attention right around the basket. The
one thing that Houston lacked, despite being a two seed,
despite being able to take that Warriors team to seven games,
the one thing they lacked was high end, refined offensive skill.
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And I would argue KD is still one of the
most skilled and most refined offensive battle squall players in
the entire world. Last year, just this last the season
we're still finishing the one that ends today. He was
still the best jump shooter in the world this season.
Among fifty eight players in the NBA to take at
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least five hundred jump shots. This season, Kevin Durant was
the only player in the league to shoot over fifty
percent from the field. Second place was Shay who was
at forty five percent of full five percent below and
even when you weiit it for threes, Kevin Durant's one
point two to two points per jump shot was number
one in the NBA among the fifty eight players to
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take at least five hundred. He was also far and
away still the best one on one player in the
league last year. Out of the ten players ran at
least two hundred and fifty ISOs including passes. His one
point one six points per possession was number one in
the league and a full six points per one hundred
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possessions better then shake Giljes Alexander, who was in second place.
He immediately comes in the door and provides a ton
of offensive utility for this team. The Rockets didn't have
a single player that you needed to show at the
level in screening action against. I've talked about this concept
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a lot. We talked about it with Desmond Bane and
the Orlando Magic. One of the most valuable things you
can do in the NBA is via threat as a
jumpshooter coming off of a screen, because it inverts spacing.
If you can come off of a screen and knock
a shot down, you draw a lock and trail defender
who's gonna chase you over the top, and you're gonna
force the screen defender, the guy who's guarding the screener
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to come up to contest you. On the other end,
that means your screener can slip out behind it and
there's four on threes all day, every day. If you
have that type of player, he will immediately bring in
so much advantage creation with his ability to shoot off
of screens. This will open up all sorts of opportunities
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on the roll on the skip. When rollers are tagged,
advantages will be much easier to come by for this
Houston team. Amen Thompson has already shown great utility as
a connective passer and as a vertical spacing threat out
of the dunker spot. Now we're going to get to
see a ton of action where a men Thompson is
getting four on three opportunities short rolling off of KD.
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I'm super excited to see a whole new level to
a men Thompson's offensive game. Just by playing two man
game with KD. In dictating that both defenders go with KD,
KD easily drops it over the top. Now, Amen Thompson
is screaming at you downhill with all of the playmaking talent,
the vertical talent, and the shot making talent close to
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the basket to be a threat there, KD will score
an off ball action. He'll attract attention and off ball
like off ball like pin downs and stuff like that. KD.
I've created videos about this in the past. We did
a whole YouTube video about it. A couple of years ago.
Katie is a master at getting easy shots for himself
by setting up his man for screens and doing a
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good job getting open in the flow of the offense,
He'll create space as a weak side spacer off of
Alburn Shangun post ups and face ups. He will immediately
come in the door and make things way easier for
the Rockets on offense. On defense, he provides an element
of functional rim protection that makes Shang Goon a more
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useful defensive player. There was one guy on the roster,
Jabari Smith Junior, didn't play as much as you'd think,
who brought some sort of vertical kind of length element
at the rim for the Rockets as an athlete, obviously
Shangoon and Adams have length, but they're just not great jumpers, right,
They're not guys that are going to block a ton
of shots around the basket. Right. With Kevin Durant, you
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now break out one of those classes two man dynamics
in terms of screen defender in lowman that should allow
Shangoon to be more useful offensively. You can now bring
Shangon up to the level and have him be active
with his hands. Knowing that you've got a seven footer
standing underneath the basket in that lowman situation. I think
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Kevin Durant has always been a pretty underrated defensive player.
His effort can wax and wane from time to time,
but he legitimately has insane tools for the position. He's
just gonna make life better for them on both ends
of the floor. As I look at the Rockets new roster,
because again you're losing Dylan Brooks in this situation, You're
losing Jalen Green at the guard spot. You still have
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Fred van Vliet, There's Reed Shepherd and Aaron Holliday. Definitely
a little light there. My first thought was, like, man,
you remember when Phoenix signed Tias Jones and I told
you guys that I thought it was redundant. That I
didn't understand the point in wasting one of those five
key spots that you have in your star group or
closing group on a player who's again redundant. With Devin
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Booker and Kevin Durant in this roster, if I was
Kevin Durant, I'd be calling Tiaest Jones and being like, hey, bro,
this is the set, this is the setting for you.
They actually need a backup guard, they actually need ball handling,
so why don't you come down here. It's definitely an
area where they're a little light on the wing, Amen Thompson,
Tarry Easton, Cam Whitmore, Jayshon Tate at the forward spot,
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Kevin Durant, Jabari Smith Junior at the center spot, Shangoun
Adams and Landale. Again, I think they're pretty deep and
pretty solid at every position group. They're just light on
ball handling, and so if they can get a backup guard,
a solid backup guard, and again I would literally like,
I think Tias Jones could help the Rockets in a
way that he couldn't help the Suns. That's the type
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of fit where there's less redundancy. If you have Tias
Jones surrounded by a bunch of big, physical athletes, all
of a sudden, his ball handling and shooting becomes pretty valuable.
If you have them alongside a bunch of other skinny
finesse players, it's a redundancy. You're getting a diminishing return there.
Who's the starting slash closing five? So we know it's
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gonna be Shanegun, Kevin Durant and Fred van Vliet most
likely a men Thompson, who's that fifth guy? Though that
fifth guy was Dylan Brooks. That was the spot that
he filled. You start to view a men Thompson because, again,
when it comes to positions offense, you can figure it out. Defense,
you gotta build your lineup spased on who you can guard.
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Amen Thompson is defensively effectively a two guard. He's gonna
guard the other team's best guard. So I think Fred
Van Vliet and a Men Thompson that works defensively as
a backcourt Kevin Durant and Shane Goon works offense or
works defensively as a four to five. Who's gonna play
the three? Though? That's where it gets a little tricky.
Does this mean Jabari Smith Junior starts at the three?
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I think both Jabari and Kevin Durant are pretty much
functionally fore men. Neither of them move their feet insanely well,
neither of them navigate screens insanely well. And specifically, Jabari
Smith is a little bit of a ball stopper on offense.
So I don't love the natural fit of that fifth guy.
They're going to have to figure that out and that'll
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happen in time. Maybe it ends up being one of
the bench guys. Maybe Javari Smith ends up taking a
leap as a decision maker and as a connective playmaker
and as a guy who can move his feet on
the perimeter, and maybe it all comes together. But I
am curious to see how that starting closing five takes shape.
But they do have surpluses they can afford to move
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a guy at a different position group like Jabari Smith Junior,
for instance, is a guy that I think has some
value around the league that you might be able to
flip for a player that stands more in line with
what you need out of that three spot. Like do
you call up a Brooklyn and see if you can
put together a deal that sends Jabari Smith Junior and
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some additional draft compensation for Cam Johnson And now all
of a sudden, you're rocking Cam Johnson and Kevin Durant
alongside of men Thompson, Fred Van Vliet, and Alprin Shang
Gun with just a boatload of super athletes coming off
the bench to anchor everything. They're gonna have some stuff
they need to work out. But I always say, don't
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overthink it. This is the two seed in the NBA.
Last year in the Western Conference that had a kick ass,
physical defense that had a huge problem when it came
to generating offense. Kevin Durant seamlessly slides into that spot
and makes life a lot easier for them. My prediction
is that Kevin Durant right away makes a big impact
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and that the Rockets look like a bona fide contender,
and that everyone starts becoming convinced that Kad somehow got
better or something, which is ridiculous to me. All the
stuff Katie has been saying on Twitter about how basketball
is a team sport and some of the realities of
what's gone wrong over the last few years is true.
Is every bit as good as the Lebron James that
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took the Lakers to the Western Conference finals in twenty
twenty three, or the Steph Curry that has done the
work that he's done with the Warriors over the last
few years. He's been on flawed rosters. Does Kad deserve
some blame for the types of teams that he's put
himself in position with over the last couple of years
and kind of putting him in a position of redundancy,
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putting himself in a position of diminishing returns, sure, but
once you get there and you look at the rosters
and you look at the way it works, there are
basketball reasons why those teams failed, and it wasn't because
Kevin Durant wasn't good enough at doing Kevin Durant things.
Is here's the deal. Is Kevin Durant still a top
tier superstar that's a true needle mover. No, and that's
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why he didn't go for four or five first round
picks this time around. But he is still a legitimate
second tier superstar in this league that on any given
night can play as well as the top guys in league,
and he will immediately address a specific need for the Rockets.
And what I think is frustrating is We're gonna be
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like watching KD in a second round playoff series having
like thirty seven points and hitting three or four clutch
jump shots, and everyone's gonna be like, oh my god,
Kevin Durant, as if it's not the same damn guy
who floundered in Phoenix last year. It is the same guy.
Basketball is a team sport, it is, ultimately, and Kevin
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Durant's gonna go play for a much better basketball team
and you guys are gonna pretty quickly see a lot
of success. That doesn't mean he's gonna win the title necessarily,
it's hard to win a title in the NBA, but
he's in the mix now, and I think that for
most of us, it's just gonna be like such a
pleasure to get to watch Kevin play in meaningful basketball
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games again. That's what I'm looking forward to. These big
spots or you see it's a Big West Conference finals
game or semi finals game or finals game where there's
five minutes left in the scores ninety nine ninety nine,
We're gonna get to see KD in those moments again,
and that to me is the most exciting part. I'm
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I'm this was my second favorite KD destination because I
wanted to see him go play for a physical, ass
kicking team where his specific trait of you know, indomitable
offense would simply serve to lift them over the top,
rather than him needing to carry everything. And that's what
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Houston is going to allow him to.
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On the Sun's front again, it's very easy to go
and look at where they were before the KD trade
and be like, oh man, you trade McHale Bridges and
Cam Johnson and all this draft compensation, and all you're
getting back is Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green, a first round
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pick that's towards the tail end of the lottery, and
five second round picks. I get it. I get that
that looks terrible, but unfortunately that's not actually how life works.
You don't make both of those trades in concert with
each other. You make them separately from each other. I'm
a big believer in taking risks, and I'm a big
believer in self awareness. And what happened to the Suns
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is they took a risk that didn't pay off because
they had self awareness, and now they're moving off of
KD because they have self awareness. And to me, like,
let's be real about what happened with the Suns in
twenty twenty one with Chris Paul and Devin Booker and
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a bunch of really good role players in a year
that was weird because of COVID and all of the
top playoff teams in the league at the time, Miami, Denver,
the Lakers, Celtics, all of them were a beat broken,
just not ready to compete in that season. All of
a sudden, we have this weird playoff run. There's a
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Tray Young led team in the conference finals. There's a
Paul George led team in the conference finals without Kawhi Leonard.
There's this Suns team, and then there's obviously the Milwaukee Bucks,
the one team in that mix that was actually led
by a bona fide superstar that actually had the characteristics
of a championship team. But they won the title. They
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won the title that year. But in the process, the
Suns end up going up in the finals two to zero,
and it looks exciting and it looks like they're there,
but as Draymond Green says, you can have two wins
in the finals and still not be close. The Bucks
random four games in a row. Then you fast forward
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to the next season, they get utterly humiliated by Luka
Doncic in the second round, like straight up sunned by
Luka Doncic in the second round. And I think they
looked at the situation and they went, we're not good enough.
We are not good enough to win the title. That
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is self awareness. Then they look at it and they go, well,
what if we get Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is better
than Mikhale Bridges, is better than Cam Johnson. What if
he puts us over the top. They took a gamble.
There are lots of teams in NBA history that have
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taken gambles and it's paid off, And there are lots
of teams that have done it and it hasn't. Generally speaking,
I'm in support of pushing your chips into the middle
and trying to go for the title. You get one title,
you are immortal in the NBA. And by the way,
in twenty twenty three when the Nuggets won the title,
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who is the one team who like really actually kind
of made things kind of difficult for them? The Phoenix
Suns and it wasn't enough and they weren't good enough
and it didn't pay off. But you don't hang on
to Kevin Durant because you traded four first round draft
picks for him self. Awareness again entered the equation, we
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are not good enough with KD. He is our best
vehicle with which to bring back draft compensation and to
try to pivot and to try to make this thing
tenable for the future. And this is what they did.
So they pushed their chips in and it didn't work.
I don't think it's as bad as it looks on
the surface strictly because that Sun's team from before the
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KD trade was not good enough to win the title
if they were, if they were a legitimate top tier
championship contender perennially, and then they did this totally different conversation.
They weren't good enough, they pushed their chips in, they
got worse. Now they're getting ready to potentially rebuild. Now.
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Jalen Green, I've talked about this with respect to him
and Jonathan kaminga super flawed players, Guys that specifically struggle
with processing and reading the floor, Guys that are inconsistent
with their jump shooting, young players that make a lot
of mistakes, especially on the defensive end. It's a mixed
bag with these guys. But in the modern MBA, with
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how much of the league is played in transition, with
how much of the league is shifting more towards physicality,
with the officiating, with all of these things, having a
true S tier athlete that can get to his spot
and elevate over the top to finish or elevate through
traffic at the rim has a level of comfortability in
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those settings that lesser athletes don't have. Again, does that
mean that Jalen Green is gonna go be a top
ten player in the NBA. No, I don't think that's
gonna happen. But I do think that Jalen Green and
guys like Jonathan kaminga guys in this like super freaky
raw athlete category, have a lot of upside. And so
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again I as far as Jalen Green goes, you're getting
a chance with him. You're getting a chance with him
in Phoenix to see if maybe he can develop into
that type of player. Being around Devin Booker will be
very good for him. Devin Booker has a lot of that,
you know, traditional two guard bag, so to speak. But
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he is an excellent passer. He is a guy who
has developed into one of the better high pick and
roll playmakers in the league. Getting him with Jalen to
help him learn about those reads, to get him to
take a damn deep breath every once in a while
and relax, and to approach the game with a little
bit more of like a change of pace element, all
of that will be good for Jalen. And you know what,
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maybe you can keep Devin Booker around Jalen for a
year and just see how things go next year, and
then pivot off of Devin Booker when the time comes.
I don't like the idea of a Devin Booker Jalen
Green backcourt. I don't think that's a championship backcourt. I
don't think that's a backcourt that compliments each other really well.
But in the short term I like the partnership because
I think Devin Booker has the ability to teach a
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lot of higher level offensive basketball to Jalen. Not to mention,
Devin Booker on Team USA was their primary point of
attack defender, and he can help Jalen Green with his
defensive discipline and his attention to detail. So ultimately, is
it ugly. Yeah, the Suns did get nuked over the
last two years, but the nuking was a product of
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them being aware that they were not a championship team,
gambling on one of the greatest players in NBA history
it not working, and then being aware enough to acknowledge
that it didn't work and to take the first step
forward into the next era. You weren't getting four first
round picks for Kevin Durant, not at his age. He's
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not a true like needle moving, top tier superstar anymore.
He is a second tier superstar that can help an
already really good team go over the top. That's about
what you get in return star with some upside, A
young guard with some upside, Dylan Brooks, who's legitimately one
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of the better three and D players in the league.
I think Dylan Brooks is a really good Dylan Brooks
is gonna help the Suns. Like Dylan Brooks will make
the Suns substantially more of a pain in the ass
to beat next year. There's upside there, there's value there.
Maybe it turns into you trading Dylan Brooks for draft
picks and trading Devin Booker for draft picks. But this
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was the first step into the direction of the next
era of Suns basketball. I don't think they were winning
a title with Chris Paul, Devin Booker and Michal Bridges
and Cam Johnson. I don't think they were close. I
don't think they were winning a title. They went for
it with KD. It didn't work. It's time to move on.
That's what they did today. All right, guys, that is
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all I have for today. Again, we would be back
with Colin Coward tonight. I'm sure we'll have more thoughts
on the KD trade as well. We'll have a new
NBA champion tonight. That's super exciting. I've already talked to
Sam Vessini. He's coming on the show on Monday. We're
gonna be recording an NBA Draft preview. Tons of content
coming out over the next couple of days, and then
the Draft is literally on Wednesday, so the NBA never
stops thanks to a long NBA Finals. It's all running
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into each other now. But we're gonna be with you
guys every step of the way. I will see you
guys tonight after game seven. What's up guys. As always,
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