Jason answers mailbag questions about the Los Angeles Lakers on topics such as Deandre Ayton's defensive struggles and his lack of post game, whether Jake LaRavia or Dalton Knecht is a better long term fit for LA alongside LeBron James and Luka Doncic, if Cam Whitmore or Andrew Wiggins is a better player, and his five biggest takeaways from the 2025 playoffs.
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welcome to hoops and I. You're at the volume heavy Tuesday. Everybody,
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your week. We've got a jam packshow for you guys today.
We're gonna start with some questions. I got about five
of them from your guys's comments over the course of
the last week. We're gonna hit those questions off the top.
And then every year since I've started doing this, We've
done an episode shortly after the playoffs that I call
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throughout the year. The last minute least, keep dropping mail
back questions in the YouTube comments. Again, we're shifting away.
I know we did our mail back questions from the
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going back to our normal format now where I'm going
to be taking mailbag questions straight out of the YouTube comments.
So under our full episodes put mailbag and then colon
and then write your question, and once a week throughout
the entire offseason, we will be doing a mailbag episode
where we'll get to all of your guys's questions. At
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that point, all right, let's talk some basketball. First question, Hey, Jason,
love the work you do with the questions on defense
with Ayton. Is there a defensive big that the Lakers
could pick up that'll offset Aighton's inability to defend consistently? So,
first of all, the free agent market for centers is
very limited. I talked to yesterday about the mark Stein
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report that came out regarding Al Horford and him potentially
or as he said, destined to go to the Golden
State Warriors, and it was actually in the context in
his report, in the context of the Jonas Valanchuna situation,
this situation where Jonas is apparently already engaged in conversations
with a team over in Greece and he would like
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to be bought out or be relieved from his contract
with the Denver Nuggets so that he can go overseas
and play, and Denver does not want to let him
do that. Denver wants to force him to honor his contract,
the main reason being that they need a backup center
to play off of Jokic. And you know, obviously Darren
Holmes is an interesting option, but he's young and coming
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off of an achilles tear, so you don't want to
be like super dependent on that. And as mark Stein
pointed out in that report, there's not another great option
to pivot to. Horford is really the only other guy
out there, and as I mentioned, and as mark Stein mentioned,
it appears that he's headed to Golden State in all likelihoods.
So the point is is there's not a lot of
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really quality options out there in the free agent market. Now,
the Lakers did end up resigning Jackson Hayes, I think
he'll do fine as a backup. I wouldn't be surprised
if they keep someone like Christian Koloco around on a
two way contract to help, you know, with certain defensive looks.
But Mexic Kleb I think is gonna end up being
a guy. I wouldn't be surprised if Maxie ends up
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basically winning the backup center spot from Jackson Hayes. The
main reason why is, let's look at the situation. The
Lakers under JJ Reddick have done a lot more switching.
This is a big in Maxi Kleeber that I think
that's his specific strength Compared to most backup centers around
the league. Maxi is a pretty pretty solid switch defender.
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He moves his feet pretty well, he's got good instincts,
he takes good angles. He's just generally better at that
than most of the backup center level players that are
out there. And so I, you know, he already has
chemistry with Luca as like a stretch five. I could
see Maxi just beating Jackson out for that secondary spot.
But again, there's not a lot of great options out
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there in the free agent market, and I think going
from eighton to having three different kind of like backup
options for different looks, like Jackson as being your traditional
rim runner for certain looks where you need his vertical spacing.
You know, a Christian Coloco on a two way contract
is more of like a defensive minded motor big for
certain situations. And then Maxicliba as the veteran stretch five
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that can defend in a switching scheme. I think that
that's perfectly fine. Considering the Lakers, We're able to achieve
that center rotation without having to give up really anything
in the way of assets, which maintains their asset flexibility
if they want to make a move for a wing
someone like an Andrew Wiggins or a Herb Jones, something
along those lines. Next question, Love the Show. My question
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to you is who are your top five players going
into next season. I hate to break it to you, guys,
but I cannot reveal this yet because one of my
favorite things that we do every summer is we do
a detailed top twenty five players in the NBA list
with extensive breakdown for every single player on the list.
We set up criteria. It's something that I take very
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seriously as one of my major offseason projects, and so
I'm not going to jump into it at this point
in time. But my guess is shortly after summer league
will get started with that and we're gonna have all
sorts of fun stuff along those lines throughout the offseason.
So hang type and we will get to that later
on this summer. Next question, another Lakers related question. Jake
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Larevia or Dalton Connect long term better player. I look
at these two guys is very very different types of players.
Like Jake Loravia can shoot, but I look at Dalton
Connect as an entirely different tier of shooting prospect. To me,
Dalton Connect is a guy that I could see being
one of the high volume, successful three point shooters in
the NBA for a long time. He's just got the
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ability to hit from all these different spots on the floor.
He's a little bit more of a heat check guy,
can get into a better rhythm. And Dalton is this
like very big and strong like kind of vertical, a
very impressive vertical athlete that brings like a transition element,
a cutting element, a driving element. Dalton to me, is
just a different type of player. Jake Laavia is more
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of a traditional like role player NBA wing in that
like he can do a little bit of everything. He
a guy who can shoot the ball, he can drive closeouts,
has some higher level off the dribble moves in the
short to mid range. He's a good athlete, but not
like an elite athlete. He's he can do a lot
of things reasonably well on defense, but he's not great
at anything Like to me, Dalton Connect has a couple
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more of those like Apex trades. Jakelavia is more useful
in the short term, Dalton Connect will probably be a
better player in the long run. And you know, I
think Jakelaravia becomes valuable in the context of a potential
Dalton Connect trade if the Lakers were to include him
in a deal at some point this summer or in
the middle of next season. Jakeavia can come off the
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bench and not bring the same apex shooting trade that
Dalton Connect brings, but bring a more versatile, kind of
useful NBA role player attack to that position. I know
the trend and emphasis for NBA bigs in recent years
has been threes and stretching the floor. But hearing about
talented guys like Ayton having more potential than actual post game,
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why does a guy like that not really go after
developing a serious post game. You watch McHale and his
Torture Chamber and Elajuan and the Dream Shake. If a
guy like Ate and really went after some of those
guys and even had a poor man's level, he would
be better than most in the leitue or have or
could handle. I guess it's just not having the drive
going by his inattentive, mediocre overall defense, I guess it's that.
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So this is a complicated issue, and I actually think
this is a very interesting topic that you're bringing up
here with this question. So why is it that we
don't see more post up players dominating in the NBA?
If you go look at Synergy, for example, the high
volume guys, the Jokic's, the Embiids, those types of guys,
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they are in like an entirely different tier of volume
of post ups, and then there's just like a giant
drop off and there's just not that many guys who
do it outside of those two. Now, even Jokic compared
to Embiid, brings another level to just the sheer amount
of posting up that he does. And so what my
theory with this actually has more to do with the
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way the game has changed defensively and how difficult it
is to generate offense out of the post if you
can't pass the ball. So with the way that teams
space the floor defensively now, and with the type of
athleticism and speed that's on the floor, it's very easy
to load up on a post player and make one
pass available and over the top pass that goes across
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the court to the opposite corner or to the opposite
wing that usually has to go through a bunch of
traffic or has to fly looping over the top in
order to get there. And it's just a lot easier
than it used to be to double team or shade
or heavily send help towards a post player and take
away that option without really conceding anything super damaging. I've
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watched this for years as a guy who covers Anthony Davis,
and Anthony Davis made progress and got better at it,
but there was a reason why they never went to
Anthony Davis the same volume that they went to NIKOLEA.
Jokicchen Denver, and it was because inevitably, if he had
some success down there, teams would start loading up and
ad just couldn't make the reads. When I was evaluating
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Eighton as part of the Lakers signing him, and I
went back and watched all of this tape, Ayton's post
ups often went awry because he didn't trust his ability
to go to power because of the help defense, and
so he'd either turn it over against the help defense
or he would sett over some difficult over the top shot,
and that really is the final piece of it. If
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you want to put everything together to be an elite
high volume post player in the NBA, you have to
have the combination of really physically imposing size with high,
high level playmaking to be able to break apart the
defense when they load up on you. And then the
third piece of it is the touch. Like we talk
about this all the time with layups. You watch these
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guys around the league, you know, when it comes to layups,
sometimes they're shooting fifty to fifty five percent. You know,
the really good layup shooters are sixty sixty five percent.
It's because anything that is a two point shot that
is contested that isn't a wide open layup or a dunk,
the percentage is in the efficiency tank from there, fifty
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five percent on a layup is like one point one
points per shot. That's not great for a layup, right,
You're expecting more efficiency there, and it craters even further
when you go out a further away. Like let's say
you've got a decent hook shot, like you've got a
you're forty five percent on hook shots. That seems like
a good percentage right, that's only point nine points per TENTPT.
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And so there's a level of short range shot making
that you need in order to be a reliable post
up threat as well to command the defense a certain
way to unlock that playmaking town. That's why you look
at yok It just kind of feels like Yo kicch
and then the rest of the league when it comes
to posting up, it's because of that difficult dynamic. There's
a you know, eight and has actually a decent hook shot,
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but he really struggles to handle all the help side defense,
and so defenders press up on him, they pack the paint,
he turns the ball over, he settles for these turnaround,
fadeaway jump shots that he can't make even with Jokic
when he has to go to further away shot making
like some of those turnarounds, like some of those deeper
hook shots. He can still make those at fifty five
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sixty percent, and that's what makes him such a dynamic
post player. But I think that the league has just
become so fast and so sophisticated defensively that teams have
just found a way to greatly diminish the impact of
post players if they do not have those talents. And
you know, when we see other guys like you look
at a shng Goon for instance, who's had some impact
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as a post player, it's power mix a short range
shot making and he's got some playmaking talent, although it's
not where it needs to be to be at the
level of the best post players in the league. But
that's why it's not as simple as just yo, know,
you got to go into the gym and rep out
footwork and hook shots. No, that that's not the pathway
to success in the post in the NBA. It is
a domination of that with reliable short range shot making
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and the ability to interpret what the defense is doing
and to make the reads. And there just aren't that
many guys who can do that. All right, last question,
then we're going to get into our top five takeaways.
Do you like Cam Whittmore more or less than Andrew Wiggins?
This is a question that we had in our YouTube
comments that I want to value it more just as
an example of just differing archetypes. We had a similar
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question earlier regarding Jake Lauravia and Dalon connect Right. By
the way, Cam Whitmore has been traded to the Washington Wizards,
And I think his trades to the Washington Wizards is
actually an interesting example of the difference in the archetypes
you trade for Andrew Wiggins, for instance, by the way,
they're totally different phases of their career. Andrew Wiggins is thirty,
he makes over thirty million dollars. It's just not even
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remotely the same. But I want to get into why
why is it that Andrew Wiggins is worth more and
would go for more into trade and teams would be
hunting for a key rotation spot in a playoff rount Like,
why would I as a Lakers be much more interested
in Andrew Wiggins, even at a massive number, to come
in and play the three for the Lakers than I
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would Cam Whitmore. And it comes down to the same
thing we talked about earlier with Dalton connect It's the
same thing we talked about earlier yesterday when we were
having the conversation surrounding Jonathan Kaminga. There are things that
Andrew Wiggins does right now at a very very high
level that impact winning in the context of a core five,
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like of a starting lineup or a closing five for
an NBA team, Andrew Wiggins is somewhere between a second
tier and first tier perimeter defender in the NBA. Like
if your job, as Andrew Wiggins is to guard the
other team's best player every single night, He's one of
the best options still in this league to use in
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that way. He can guard multiple groups. He can guard guards,
he can guard forwards. He moves his feet well. He
has the length to contest from behind and the length
to contest pull up jump shooters. He can apply full
court ball pressure. He's done it in high leverage playoff situations.
He did an unbelievable job on Jason Tatum in the
twenty twenty two finals. He did an unbelievable job on
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Luka Doncic in twenty twenty two Western Conference Finals. Andrew
Wiggins brings an apex straight to the table, which is
that he is one of the best perimeter defenders in
the NBA and that has enormous utility in the modern NBA. Then,
on the other end of the floor, he's a guy
that can hit in the high thirties and catch and
shoot threes, can do a little driving, close out stuff,
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and can do some stuff in transition. Gets you in
that fifteen to eighteen points per game. Is a useful
offensive player. That makes him a very very high quality
starting small forward in the NBA as a role player
that brings real value in the short term. Cam Whitmore
has all sorts of potential. He's an apex athlete himself,
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but that athleticism hasn't translated to some reliable apex trait
right now. He has shown some ability over the years
to shoot the ball. He has shown some ability over
the years to put the ball on the floor. He
has shown some ability over the years to play some defense,
but none of it has amounted to a reliable day
in day out. This guy can do this for me
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right now, starting day on a camp, and I can
count on him to do this until the end of
the line. That's why it makes so much sense to
send Cam to a place like Washington. Houston signs Dori Infinney,
Smith gets Kevin Durant. Houston is on a different timeline.
Houston's trying to win right now. Ham's not going to
get a lot of minutes, not a lot of opportunity
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because he's not good at those things, like we talked
about with Andrew Wiggins. So why not go to Washington,
a place where he has a spot in the rotation
and he can continue to build out his game and
find what those APEX traits are. If he becomes an
APEX perimeter defender that can knock down threes and drive
close outs, he'll be the guy that everyone's trading for
as a starting level wing in the NBA. But he's
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not there yet. And I think that's an important to
stay when we're talking about these players. These guys that
can do a specific role player thing super well right
now are more valuable in the short term than a
young player in his potential because with young players, as
we always talk about, they struggle to identify what's working
and repeat it, and to identify what's not working and
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to trim that fat. That is why young players struggle
to play important roles on championship level teams. All right,
let's get into our biggest takeaways from the twenty twenty
five postseason. First, generating margin. I've referenced this idea is
this idea in many ways over the years. I've referred
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to it a lot in the playoff run as low
hanging fruit or winning battles like winning battles on the glass,
winning battles in transition. I believe that in order to
be a championship team, you need to be able to
generate margin for air, something that covers some ground so
that you're half offense and defense has a little bit
more slush to work with. Examples, offensive glass. If you
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can control the offensive glass and generate second chance opportunities,
that can buy you margin. Frere literally Chet Holmgren and
Isaiah Hartenstein in Game four of the NBA Finals on
the road when the Thunder offense was sputtering yet again,
the offensive glass work that Chet and Isaiah did bought
them margin for error so that Shay could just make
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a couple of plays at the end of the game
forcing turnovers. This was big for both Indiana and for
Oklahoma City. It was big for Cleveland in the regular season.
If you can force turnovers, it leads to more transition opportunities.
Transition opportunities are way more efficient transition pushes in general.
We're going to talk about that a little bit more
when we get into our second piece, so let's move there.
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You have to be able to control the transition game
on both ends. More and more of the game is
getting played in transition than ever before. It's very specifically
for that teams are way more efficient in transition. To
give you a basic stat to demonstrate this, on Synergy,
there were ten teams this year that logged and offensive
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rating over one hundred and fifteen in transition. Only one
team in the entire NBA logged a half court offensive
rating over one oh five only one team. NBA teams
are substantially more efficient scoring the basketball in transition. Not
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hard to figure out why the defense isn't set. They
don't have their celgil to help. Defense isn't there. There's
often man advantages. It's difficult to generate advantages in the
half court. Transition often comes with baked in advantages, whether
it's through a guy being left open because a guy's
lagging back in the back court, or if it's a
transition cross match. There are so many different ways that
you can get easier offense in transition. So what do
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I mean when I say both ends of the floor.
What that means is on offense, every opportunity you have
to throw a kick ahead pass. The preaching from day
one for guys to run their lanes on every miss,
every make, whatever it is you sprint that left wing,
You sprint that right wing. You sprint the middle of
the lane as a big man to try to get dunks.
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You sprint as the trailer. In transition, you throw kick
ahead passes when you can. You look to push every
single opportunity you can because, very simply put, your offensive
efficiency skyrockets when you are in transition. So every possession
that you don't get out in transition, you are operating
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at a lower efficiency. So every chance you get you
have to hunt those opportunities. Every team, I don't care
what your personnel is, every team from day one and
training camp needs to be accentuating and emphasizing running your lanes,
getting out in transition, throwing those kick ahead passes, and
playing up the floor as much as possible. Then with
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because this can go both ways. We saw New York
in the Conference finals completely lose control of a series
because of poor transition defense because of floor balance, constantly
having four to five players below the foul line, literally
not being in a position to get back. Basic principles
like floor balance, making sure that you always have two
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players above the break, those two players stopping ball and
getting to the rim, the other three guys sprinting back
communicating and getting matched up. The more you can keep
your opponent out of transition slots them down out of
transition efficiency into half court efficiency. This is the market
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inefficiency in the NBA right now. If you're not hunting
every transition opportunity you can while also building your defense
and your spacing around being able to get back in transition,
you are missing out on a huge chunk of points
that you can take advantage of on both ends of
the floor. Third biggest takeaway, you still need an apex
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shot creator. When things got ugly for Oklahoma City, it
was shake Gil just Alexander who put games away, big
moments against Denver in Game four and in Game five,
particularly down the stretch in Game four. He was huge
versus Indiana, amazing down the stretching Game four, but also
for entire games in game two and in game five
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and in game seven. Look at other teams in this
playoff run. What Tyre's Halliburton did, the game winners that
he hit in each series, Nikole Jokich and what he
did with Denver almost pushing Oklahoma City to the brink.
What Jalen Brunson was able to do for the New
York Knicks to me, as you look back, the exception
is actually Boston. Boston was the team that didn't have
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your traditional APEX star that won, but they were a
unique circumstance. They had five players that would command over
thirty million dollars a year in the open market. They
had this brilliant spacing. It was like kind of like
a cumulative star power that Boston brought to the table.
And there aren't many teams in the league that can
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ever find themselves in a situation where they can field
five really expensive players like that. They are the exception.
If you go back, though, it's Jake Eildess Alexander this year,
it's Jokic. The year before Boston, it's Steph. The year
before Jokic, it's Jannis. The year before Steph, it's Lebron.
The year before Yannis, it's Kawhi the year before Lebron.
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We can go back, and we can go back, and
we can go back for all of the talk about depth,
and again, depth does matter, we're about to talk about it.
You still need an apex star. Boston is the exception
to that rule because of their aggregate talent. You need
a guy that's like I can create great shots for
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my team in shitty, physical, ugly half court playoff environments.
Number four Depth More transition means more running, more drive
and kick means more covering ground. In rotation, NBA players
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are running and moving around the floor more than ever before.
I think this is a big part of the Achilles
tear issue that the NBA has been having for a
little while. Think about the landslide runs that Oklahoma City
and Indiana went on at various points during the postseason,
just simply because their opponents eventually wore down under the
ball pressure, under the physicality. The playoffs are a war
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of attrition, and if you have eight or nine guys
that you can reliably trust in a postseason setting, you
can keep your starters minutes down in the mid to
low thirties, which gives you a better chance, or a
mid to high thirties. For some guys. Keeping the minutes
down in the thirties gives you a better chance of
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holding up over four playoff rounds. If you have a
six or six and a half seven man rotation, suddenly
all your starters are pushing up into the forty forty
five minute range. That's where you end up having problems
with wear and tear over the course of the postseason.
And again, it's not the end all be all. We've
seen teams that don't have an enormous amount of depth
win before. But I do believe it is a legitimate
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advantage in the modern NBA because of the amount of
running there is, all of the transition, all of the
drive and kick has put more miles per minute on
the NBA body than ever before, and depth is a
great counter for that specific issue. Lastly, dribble, shoot, pass,
and defend role players. This is a concept I've talked
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about ad nauseum over the course of the last few months.
We talked about it a lot with Samsini in our
pre draft podcast. Like we talked about with creating advantages,
there are all these different guys in the league that
specialize in creating advantages. Giannis and his downhill force causes
teams to build a wall. He's spraying the ball out
to wide open shooters all day long, right Mary halliburtn
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just through his remarkable quick decision making with kick ahead
passes and his ability to make reads out of ball screens.
He's constantly setting up players with a catch on the
perimeter with the dude sprinting out at him at the
three point line. Shake Gilgess, Alexander like legitimately drawing lots
of double teams from Indiana down the stretch of that series.
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Nikola Jokic constantly drawing double teams out of the post,
dumping it off to players. I don't care who it
is or how they do it. Steph Curry sprinting off
of off ball screens and constantly drawing multiple defenders. These
guys create situations where either a player is standing at
the three point line wide open with a guy sprinting
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out at them, or inverted spacing catching the ball around
the middle of the floor in a man up advantage,
meaning like a four on three or a three on
two where that guy has to either quickly score or
make a quick decision. That is the type of advantage.
Those are the type of advantages that these stars are creating.
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You need to have players that can knock down, catch
and shoot threes, drive closeouts, make decisions when they drive
close outs, or make decisions in short role situations. That's
the dribble shoot pass element of it. But at the
same time, if you can't defend it, becomes a problem
on the other end of the floor. So a role
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player that has versatility on that front, it doesn't matter
if you're the best shooter in that group, but you
can't dribble, you can't pass, and you can't defend. Having
a stability in those four categories, being a somewhat useful
defender that can pass the ball, that can knock down
a shot, that can drive a close out. That type
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of versatility becomes immensely valuable in a modern MBA where
there's lots of advantage creation that's creating those advantages for you,
and that you're constantly operating in transition where you need
to guard a random player and a train position crossmatch,
or because a good screen gets set and now you're
switched onto a bigger player onto a smaller player. Versatility
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out of the role players is how you maximize star
talent in the modern NBA. These are things. These five
things are the things that I think front offices need
to be targeting with their roster construction, that coaches need
to be emphasizing with their coaching from day one in camp.
You've got to generate margins somewhere. You have to be
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able to control the transition game, both on defense keeping
your opponent out of transition and then hunting transition opportunities
as much as possible. You have to find an apex
advantage creator. You cannot win a championship without one. You
need to have depth to be able to survive all
the mileage that you're putting on bodies throughout the season,
and your role players need to be versatile with the
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ability to shoot, drive, closeouts, play out of the short role,
and to defend multiple players on the other end of
the floor. Those to me are the market inefficiencies around
the NBA that teams need to be hunting. All right, guys,
that's all I have for today. As always, a sincerely
appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show.
We're going to take the next day off, Wednesday off
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in Summer League. What we have planned is on Thursday night,
we'll have an instant reaction to the Cooper flag, Dylan Harper,
Brownie James games from Thursday night. We'll have that on
the feed that evening on Friday morning. Jovan Buja, who
runs a Great Lakers YouTube channel, you guys might remember me,
used to cover the Lakers for the Athletic as well.
He'll be coming on the show to talk some Lakers stuff.
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On Friday night, we have another instant reaction to some
Summer League games from that day. We also have Adam
Marees coming on the show to talk some Denver Nuggets,
and then we will also have an episode on Saturday
night as well, breaking down the second round of games
for the top picks Cooper Flag and Dylan Harper. We'll
be recording on Friday night and Saturday night at the
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We're gonna start with some questions. I got about five
of them from your guys's comments over the course of
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And then every year since I've started doing this, We've
done an episode shortly after the playoffs that I call
my five biggest takeaways from that postseason. This is going
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I know we did our mail back questions from the
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going back to our normal format now where I'm going
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So under our full episodes put mailbag and then colon
and then write your question, and once a week throughout
the entire offseason, we will be doing a mailbag episode
where we'll get to all of your guys's questions. At
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that point, all right, let's talk some basketball. First question, Hey, Jason,
love the work you do with the questions on defense
with Ayton. Is there a defensive big that the Lakers
could pick up that'll offset Aighton's inability to defend consistently? So,
first of all, the free agent market for centers is
very limited. I talked to yesterday about the mark Stein
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report that came out regarding Al Horford and him potentially
or as he said, destined to go to the Golden
State Warriors, and it was actually in the context in
his report, in the context of the Jonas Valanchuna situation,
this situation where Jonas is apparently already engaged in conversations
with a team over in Greece and he would like
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to be bought out or be relieved from his contract
with the Denver Nuggets so that he can go overseas
and play, and Denver does not want to let him
do that. Denver wants to force him to honor his contract,
the main reason being that they need a backup center
to play off of Jokic. And you know, obviously Darren
Holmes is an interesting option, but he's young and coming
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off of an achilles tear, so you don't want to
be like super dependent on that. And as mark Stein
pointed out in that report, there's not another great option
to pivot to. Horford is really the only other guy
out there, and as I mentioned, and as mark Stein mentioned,
it appears that he's headed to Golden State in all likelihoods.
So the point is is there's not a lot of
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really quality options out there in the free agent market. Now,
the Lakers did end up resigning Jackson Hayes, I think
he'll do fine as a backup. I wouldn't be surprised
if they keep someone like Christian Koloco around on a
two way contract to help, you know, with certain defensive looks.
But Mexic Kleb I think is gonna end up being
a guy. I wouldn't be surprised if Maxie ends up
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basically winning the backup center spot from Jackson Hayes. The
main reason why is, let's look at the situation. The
Lakers under JJ Reddick have done a lot more switching.
This is a big in Maxi Kleeber that I think
that's his specific strength Compared to most backup centers around
the league. Maxi is a pretty pretty solid switch defender.
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He moves his feet pretty well, he's got good instincts,
he takes good angles. He's just generally better at that
than most of the backup center level players that are
out there. And so I, you know, he already has
chemistry with Luca as like a stretch five. I could
see Maxi just beating Jackson out for that secondary spot.
But again, there's not a lot of great options out
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there in the free agent market, and I think going
from eighton to having three different kind of like backup
options for different looks, like Jackson as being your traditional
rim runner for certain looks where you need his vertical spacing.
You know, a Christian Coloco on a two way contract
is more of like a defensive minded motor big for
certain situations. And then Maxicliba as the veteran stretch five
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that can defend in a switching scheme. I think that
that's perfectly fine. Considering the Lakers, We're able to achieve
that center rotation without having to give up really anything
in the way of assets, which maintains their asset flexibility
if they want to make a move for a wing
someone like an Andrew Wiggins or a Herb Jones, something
along those lines. Next question, Love the Show. My question
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to you is who are your top five players going
into next season. I hate to break it to you, guys,
but I cannot reveal this yet because one of my
favorite things that we do every summer is we do
a detailed top twenty five players in the NBA list
with extensive breakdown for every single player on the list.
We set up criteria. It's something that I take very
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seriously as one of my major offseason projects, and so
I'm not going to jump into it at this point
in time. But my guess is shortly after summer league
will get started with that and we're gonna have all
sorts of fun stuff along those lines throughout the offseason.
So hang type and we will get to that later
on this summer. Next question, another Lakers related question. Jake
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Larevia or Dalton Connect long term better player. I look
at these two guys is very very different types of players.
Like Jake Loravia can shoot, but I look at Dalton
Connect as an entirely different tier of shooting prospect. To me,
Dalton Connect is a guy that I could see being
one of the high volume, successful three point shooters in
the NBA for a long time. He's just got the
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ability to hit from all these different spots on the floor.
He's a little bit more of a heat check guy,
can get into a better rhythm. And Dalton is this
like very big and strong like kind of vertical, a
very impressive vertical athlete that brings like a transition element,
a cutting element, a driving element. Dalton to me, is
just a different type of player. Jake Laavia is more
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of a traditional like role player NBA wing in that
like he can do a little bit of everything. He
a guy who can shoot the ball, he can drive closeouts,
has some higher level off the dribble moves in the
short to mid range. He's a good athlete, but not
like an elite athlete. He's he can do a lot
of things reasonably well on defense, but he's not great
at anything Like to me, Dalton Connect has a couple
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more of those like Apex trades. Jakelavia is more useful
in the short term, Dalton Connect will probably be a
better player in the long run. And you know, I
think Jakelaravia becomes valuable in the context of a potential
Dalton Connect trade if the Lakers were to include him
in a deal at some point this summer or in
the middle of next season. Jakeavia can come off the
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bench and not bring the same apex shooting trade that
Dalton Connect brings, but bring a more versatile, kind of
useful NBA role player attack to that position. I know
the trend and emphasis for NBA bigs in recent years
has been threes and stretching the floor. But hearing about
talented guys like Ayton having more potential than actual post game,
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why does a guy like that not really go after
developing a serious post game. You watch McHale and his
Torture Chamber and Elajuan and the Dream Shake. If a
guy like Ate and really went after some of those
guys and even had a poor man's level, he would
be better than most in the leitue or have or
could handle. I guess it's just not having the drive
going by his inattentive, mediocre overall defense, I guess it's that.
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So this is a complicated issue, and I actually think
this is a very interesting topic that you're bringing up
here with this question. So why is it that we
don't see more post up players dominating in the NBA?
If you go look at Synergy, for example, the high
volume guys, the Jokic's, the Embiids, those types of guys,
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they are in like an entirely different tier of volume
of post ups, and then there's just like a giant
drop off and there's just not that many guys who
do it outside of those two. Now, even Jokic compared
to Embiid, brings another level to just the sheer amount
of posting up that he does. And so what my
theory with this actually has more to do with the
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way the game has changed defensively and how difficult it
is to generate offense out of the post if you
can't pass the ball. So with the way that teams
space the floor defensively now, and with the type of
athleticism and speed that's on the floor, it's very easy
to load up on a post player and make one
pass available and over the top pass that goes across
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the court to the opposite corner or to the opposite
wing that usually has to go through a bunch of
traffic or has to fly looping over the top in
order to get there. And it's just a lot easier
than it used to be to double team or shade
or heavily send help towards a post player and take
away that option without really conceding anything super damaging. I've
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watched this for years as a guy who covers Anthony Davis,
and Anthony Davis made progress and got better at it,
but there was a reason why they never went to
Anthony Davis the same volume that they went to NIKOLEA.
Jokicchen Denver, and it was because inevitably, if he had
some success down there, teams would start loading up and
ad just couldn't make the reads. When I was evaluating
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Eighton as part of the Lakers signing him, and I
went back and watched all of this tape, Ayton's post
ups often went awry because he didn't trust his ability
to go to power because of the help defense, and
so he'd either turn it over against the help defense
or he would sett over some difficult over the top shot,
and that really is the final piece of it. If
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you want to put everything together to be an elite
high volume post player in the NBA, you have to
have the combination of really physically imposing size with high,
high level playmaking to be able to break apart the
defense when they load up on you. And then the
third piece of it is the touch. Like we talk
about this all the time with layups. You watch these
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guys around the league, you know, when it comes to layups,
sometimes they're shooting fifty to fifty five percent. You know,
the really good layup shooters are sixty sixty five percent.
It's because anything that is a two point shot that
is contested that isn't a wide open layup or a dunk,
the percentage is in the efficiency tank from there, fifty
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five percent on a layup is like one point one
points per shot. That's not great for a layup, right,
You're expecting more efficiency there, and it craters even further
when you go out a further away. Like let's say
you've got a decent hook shot, like you've got a
you're forty five percent on hook shots. That seems like
a good percentage right, that's only point nine points per TENTPT.
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And so there's a level of short range shot making
that you need in order to be a reliable post
up threat as well to command the defense a certain
way to unlock that playmaking town. That's why you look
at yok It just kind of feels like Yo kicch
and then the rest of the league when it comes
to posting up, it's because of that difficult dynamic. There's
a you know, eight and has actually a decent hook shot,
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but he really struggles to handle all the help side defense,
and so defenders press up on him, they pack the paint,
he turns the ball over, he settles for these turnaround,
fadeaway jump shots that he can't make even with Jokic
when he has to go to further away shot making
like some of those turnarounds, like some of those deeper
hook shots. He can still make those at fifty five
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sixty percent, and that's what makes him such a dynamic
post player. But I think that the league has just
become so fast and so sophisticated defensively that teams have
just found a way to greatly diminish the impact of
post players if they do not have those talents. And
you know, when we see other guys like you look
at a shng Goon for instance, who's had some impact
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as a post player, it's power mix a short range
shot making and he's got some playmaking talent, although it's
not where it needs to be to be at the
level of the best post players in the league. But
that's why it's not as simple as just yo, know,
you got to go into the gym and rep out
footwork and hook shots. No, that that's not the pathway
to success in the post in the NBA. It is
a domination of that with reliable short range shot making
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and the ability to interpret what the defense is doing
and to make the reads. And there just aren't that
many guys who can do that. All right, last question,
then we're going to get into our top five takeaways.
Do you like Cam Whittmore more or less than Andrew Wiggins?
This is a question that we had in our YouTube
comments that I want to value it more just as
an example of just differing archetypes. We had a similar
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question earlier regarding Jake Lauravia and Dalon connect Right. By
the way, Cam Whitmore has been traded to the Washington Wizards,
And I think his trades to the Washington Wizards is
actually an interesting example of the difference in the archetypes
you trade for Andrew Wiggins, for instance, by the way,
they're totally different phases of their career. Andrew Wiggins is thirty,
he makes over thirty million dollars. It's just not even
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remotely the same. But I want to get into why
why is it that Andrew Wiggins is worth more and
would go for more into trade and teams would be
hunting for a key rotation spot in a playoff rount Like,
why would I as a Lakers be much more interested
in Andrew Wiggins, even at a massive number, to come
in and play the three for the Lakers than I
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would Cam Whitmore. And it comes down to the same
thing we talked about earlier with Dalton connect It's the
same thing we talked about earlier yesterday when we were
having the conversation surrounding Jonathan Kaminga. There are things that
Andrew Wiggins does right now at a very very high
level that impact winning in the context of a core five,
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like of a starting lineup or a closing five for
an NBA team, Andrew Wiggins is somewhere between a second
tier and first tier perimeter defender in the NBA. Like
if your job, as Andrew Wiggins is to guard the
other team's best player every single night, He's one of
the best options still in this league to use in
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that way. He can guard multiple groups. He can guard guards,
he can guard forwards. He moves his feet well. He
has the length to contest from behind and the length
to contest pull up jump shooters. He can apply full
court ball pressure. He's done it in high leverage playoff situations.
He did an unbelievable job on Jason Tatum in the
twenty twenty two finals. He did an unbelievable job on
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Luka Doncic in twenty twenty two Western Conference Finals. Andrew
Wiggins brings an apex straight to the table, which is
that he is one of the best perimeter defenders in
the NBA and that has enormous utility in the modern NBA. Then,
on the other end of the floor, he's a guy
that can hit in the high thirties and catch and
shoot threes, can do a little driving, close out stuff,
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and can do some stuff in transition. Gets you in
that fifteen to eighteen points per game. Is a useful
offensive player. That makes him a very very high quality
starting small forward in the NBA as a role player
that brings real value in the short term. Cam Whitmore
has all sorts of potential. He's an apex athlete himself,
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but that athleticism hasn't translated to some reliable apex trait
right now. He has shown some ability over the years
to shoot the ball. He has shown some ability over
the years to put the ball on the floor. He
has shown some ability over the years to play some defense,
but none of it has amounted to a reliable day
in day out. This guy can do this for me
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right now, starting day on a camp, and I can
count on him to do this until the end of
the line. That's why it makes so much sense to
send Cam to a place like Washington. Houston signs Dori Infinney,
Smith gets Kevin Durant. Houston is on a different timeline.
Houston's trying to win right now. Ham's not going to
get a lot of minutes, not a lot of opportunity
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because he's not good at those things, like we talked
about with Andrew Wiggins. So why not go to Washington,
a place where he has a spot in the rotation
and he can continue to build out his game and
find what those APEX traits are. If he becomes an
APEX perimeter defender that can knock down threes and drive
close outs, he'll be the guy that everyone's trading for
as a starting level wing in the NBA. But he's
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not there yet. And I think that's an important to
stay when we're talking about these players. These guys that
can do a specific role player thing super well right
now are more valuable in the short term than a
young player in his potential because with young players, as
we always talk about, they struggle to identify what's working
and repeat it, and to identify what's not working and
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to trim that fat. That is why young players struggle
to play important roles on championship level teams. All right,
let's get into our biggest takeaways from the twenty twenty
five postseason. First, generating margin. I've referenced this idea is
this idea in many ways over the years. I've referred
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to it a lot in the playoff run as low
hanging fruit or winning battles like winning battles on the glass,
winning battles in transition. I believe that in order to
be a championship team, you need to be able to
generate margin for air, something that covers some ground so
that you're half offense and defense has a little bit
more slush to work with. Examples, offensive glass. If you
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can control the offensive glass and generate second chance opportunities,
that can buy you margin. Frere literally Chet Holmgren and
Isaiah Hartenstein in Game four of the NBA Finals on
the road when the Thunder offense was sputtering yet again,
the offensive glass work that Chet and Isaiah did bought
them margin for error so that Shay could just make
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a couple of plays at the end of the game
forcing turnovers. This was big for both Indiana and for
Oklahoma City. It was big for Cleveland in the regular season.
If you can force turnovers, it leads to more transition opportunities.
Transition opportunities are way more efficient transition pushes in general.
We're going to talk about that a little bit more
when we get into our second piece, so let's move there.
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You have to be able to control the transition game
on both ends. More and more of the game is
getting played in transition than ever before. It's very specifically
for that teams are way more efficient in transition. To
give you a basic stat to demonstrate this, on Synergy,
there were ten teams this year that logged and offensive
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rating over one hundred and fifteen in transition. Only one
team in the entire NBA logged a half court offensive
rating over one oh five only one team. NBA teams
are substantially more efficient scoring the basketball in transition. Not
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hard to figure out why the defense isn't set. They
don't have their celgil to help. Defense isn't there. There's
often man advantages. It's difficult to generate advantages in the
half court. Transition often comes with baked in advantages, whether
it's through a guy being left open because a guy's
lagging back in the back court, or if it's a
transition cross match. There are so many different ways that
you can get easier offense in transition. So what do
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I mean when I say both ends of the floor.
What that means is on offense, every opportunity you have
to throw a kick ahead pass. The preaching from day
one for guys to run their lanes on every miss,
every make, whatever it is you sprint that left wing,
You sprint that right wing. You sprint the middle of
the lane as a big man to try to get dunks.
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You sprint as the trailer. In transition, you throw kick
ahead passes when you can. You look to push every
single opportunity you can because, very simply put, your offensive
efficiency skyrockets when you are in transition. So every possession
that you don't get out in transition, you are operating
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at a lower efficiency. So every chance you get you
have to hunt those opportunities. Every team, I don't care
what your personnel is, every team from day one and
training camp needs to be accentuating and emphasizing running your lanes,
getting out in transition, throwing those kick ahead passes, and
playing up the floor as much as possible. Then with
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because this can go both ways. We saw New York
in the Conference finals completely lose control of a series
because of poor transition defense because of floor balance, constantly
having four to five players below the foul line, literally
not being in a position to get back. Basic principles
like floor balance, making sure that you always have two
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players above the break, those two players stopping ball and
getting to the rim, the other three guys sprinting back
communicating and getting matched up. The more you can keep
your opponent out of transition slots them down out of
transition efficiency into half court efficiency. This is the market
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inefficiency in the NBA right now. If you're not hunting
every transition opportunity you can while also building your defense
and your spacing around being able to get back in transition,
you are missing out on a huge chunk of points
that you can take advantage of on both ends of
the floor. Third biggest takeaway, you still need an apex
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shot creator. When things got ugly for Oklahoma City, it
was shake Gil just Alexander who put games away, big
moments against Denver in Game four and in Game five,
particularly down the stretch in Game four. He was huge
versus Indiana, amazing down the stretching Game four, but also
for entire games in game two and in game five
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and in game seven. Look at other teams in this
playoff run. What Tyre's Halliburton did, the game winners that
he hit in each series, Nikole Jokich and what he
did with Denver almost pushing Oklahoma City to the brink.
What Jalen Brunson was able to do for the New
York Knicks to me, as you look back, the exception
is actually Boston. Boston was the team that didn't have
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your traditional APEX star that won, but they were a
unique circumstance. They had five players that would command over
thirty million dollars a year in the open market. They
had this brilliant spacing. It was like kind of like
a cumulative star power that Boston brought to the table.
And there aren't many teams in the league that can
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ever find themselves in a situation where they can field
five really expensive players like that. They are the exception.
If you go back, though, it's Jake Eildess Alexander this year,
it's Jokic. The year before Boston, it's Steph. The year
before Jokic, it's Jannis. The year before Steph, it's Lebron.
The year before Yannis, it's Kawhi the year before Lebron.
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We can go back, and we can go back, and
we can go back for all of the talk about depth,
and again, depth does matter, we're about to talk about it.
You still need an apex star. Boston is the exception
to that rule because of their aggregate talent. You need
a guy that's like I can create great shots for
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my team in shitty, physical, ugly half court playoff environments.
Number four Depth More transition means more running, more drive
and kick means more covering ground. In rotation, NBA players
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are running and moving around the floor more than ever before.
I think this is a big part of the Achilles
tear issue that the NBA has been having for a
little while. Think about the landslide runs that Oklahoma City
and Indiana went on at various points during the postseason,
just simply because their opponents eventually wore down under the
ball pressure, under the physicality. The playoffs are a war
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of attrition, and if you have eight or nine guys
that you can reliably trust in a postseason setting, you
can keep your starters minutes down in the mid to
low thirties, which gives you a better chance, or a
mid to high thirties. For some guys. Keeping the minutes
down in the thirties gives you a better chance of
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holding up over four playoff rounds. If you have a
six or six and a half seven man rotation, suddenly
all your starters are pushing up into the forty forty
five minute range. That's where you end up having problems
with wear and tear over the course of the postseason.
And again, it's not the end all be all. We've
seen teams that don't have an enormous amount of depth
win before. But I do believe it is a legitimate
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advantage in the modern NBA because of the amount of
running there is, all of the transition, all of the
drive and kick has put more miles per minute on
the NBA body than ever before, and depth is a
great counter for that specific issue. Lastly, dribble, shoot, pass,
and defend role players. This is a concept I've talked
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about ad nauseum over the course of the last few months.
We talked about it a lot with Samsini in our
pre draft podcast. Like we talked about with creating advantages,
there are all these different guys in the league that
specialize in creating advantages. Giannis and his downhill force causes
teams to build a wall. He's spraying the ball out
to wide open shooters all day long, right Mary halliburtn
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just through his remarkable quick decision making with kick ahead
passes and his ability to make reads out of ball screens.
He's constantly setting up players with a catch on the
perimeter with the dude sprinting out at him at the
three point line. Shake Gilgess, Alexander like legitimately drawing lots
of double teams from Indiana down the stretch of that series.
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Nikola Jokic constantly drawing double teams out of the post,
dumping it off to players. I don't care who it
is or how they do it. Steph Curry sprinting off
of off ball screens and constantly drawing multiple defenders. These
guys create situations where either a player is standing at
the three point line wide open with a guy sprinting
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out at them, or inverted spacing catching the ball around
the middle of the floor in a man up advantage,
meaning like a four on three or a three on
two where that guy has to either quickly score or
make a quick decision. That is the type of advantage.
Those are the type of advantages that these stars are creating.
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You need to have players that can knock down, catch
and shoot threes, drive closeouts, make decisions when they drive
close outs, or make decisions in short role situations. That's
the dribble shoot pass element of it. But at the
same time, if you can't defend it, becomes a problem
on the other end of the floor. So a role
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player that has versatility on that front, it doesn't matter
if you're the best shooter in that group, but you
can't dribble, you can't pass, and you can't defend. Having
a stability in those four categories, being a somewhat useful
defender that can pass the ball, that can knock down
a shot, that can drive a close out. That type
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of versatility becomes immensely valuable in a modern MBA where
there's lots of advantage creation that's creating those advantages for you,
and that you're constantly operating in transition where you need
to guard a random player and a train position crossmatch,
or because a good screen gets set and now you're
switched onto a bigger player onto a smaller player. Versatility
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out of the role players is how you maximize star
talent in the modern NBA. These are things. These five
things are the things that I think front offices need
to be targeting with their roster construction, that coaches need
to be emphasizing with their coaching from day one in camp.
You've got to generate margins somewhere. You have to be
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able to control the transition game, both on defense keeping
your opponent out of transition and then hunting transition opportunities
as much as possible. You have to find an apex
advantage creator. You cannot win a championship without one. You
need to have depth to be able to survive all
the mileage that you're putting on bodies throughout the season,
and your role players need to be versatile with the
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ability to shoot, drive, closeouts, play out of the short role,
and to defend multiple players on the other end of
the floor. Those to me are the market inefficiencies around
the NBA that teams need to be hunting. All right, guys,
that's all I have for today. As always, a sincerely
appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show.
We're going to take the next day off, Wednesday off
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in Summer League. What we have planned is on Thursday night,
we'll have an instant reaction to the Cooper flag, Dylan Harper,
Brownie James games from Thursday night. We'll have that on
the feed that evening on Friday morning. Jovan Buja, who
runs a Great Lakers YouTube channel, you guys might remember me,
used to cover the Lakers for the Athletic as well.
He'll be coming on the show to talk some Lakers stuff.
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On Friday night, we have another instant reaction to some
Summer League games from that day. We also have Adam
Marees coming on the show to talk some Denver Nuggets,
and then we will also have an episode on Saturday
night as well, breaking down the second round of games
for the top picks Cooper Flag and Dylan Harper. We'll
be recording on Friday night and Saturday night at the
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Win Studio in Vegas, So I'm super excited about that.
We'll be around, We'll be at the games, so make
sure you come say hill, kind of tweet out and
let you guys know where we're at. If you guys
want to come, say hi. But again, jam pack week
schedule for you guys in Summer League that we're very
excited for. All right, we will see you guys later
this weekend. What's up guys. As always, I appreciate you
for listening to and supporting OOPS tonight. It would actually
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be really helpful for us if you guys would take
a second and leave a rating and a review. As always,
I appreciate you guys supporting us, but if you could
take a minute to do that, I'd really appreciate it.
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