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let's talk some basketball. So obviously, the SAT injury is
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just a huge bummer. Any of you guys have ever
had a hamstring strain. I've had one playing basketball. Ironically,
it was like a kind of an interesting trajectory thing
for my basketball career because I played JUCO my first year.
But I actually tried out for the same JUCO the
year prior and pulled my hamstring in a in the
training camp there, and I re injured it like three
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or four times before I finally gave it the appropriate
amount of rest. It's just such a finicky injury, and
the specific thing that you'll notice when you have a
hamstring injury as a basketball player, when you're trying to
make explosive moves forward, there's a lot of that hamstring
pulling your body after that first step, and like that
was where I'd constantly re injure it. I'd be like, Oh,
(04:44):
I feel fine, I'm ready to go, and then I'd
like try to do an aggressive dribble move to the
right and immediately be like, oh, nope, not even close
to ready. I need to take some more time. And
so it's just such a huge bummer, because it's hard
for me to envision a scenario where Steph is close
to one hundred percent in this series, which is obvious
a huge swing towards Minnesota's favor, and I thought this
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was a series that Golden State could win for a
lot of the same reasons that you guys saw tonight.
But we'll talk about it in a minute. I do
think that there is a pathway here, a very slim
pathway for Steph to return in this series and to
be somewhat impactful. We'll talk about that in a little bit,
but as far as this particular game goes, one of
the big things I talked about in the series preview
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was just the simple fact that this is a very, very,
very different matchup than the Los Angeles Lakers team. I
was impressed by a lot of what Minnesota did in
the first round, but it looked pretty similar to what
they did to Phoenix last year, and I left that
series primarily extremely disappointed with the Los Angeles Lakers and
a lot of stuff they did on both ends of
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the floor, their competitiveness defensively, even at the tail end
of the series, Lebron was doing a bad job on
the Glass and defensively, Luca I thought got soundly outplayed
and looked super out of shape at the end of games.
Their defense was horrible. It just I was really disappointed
in them. And as I looked at the Warriors, I
looked at them as on offense, a very different type
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of offense, and then just a substantially better defense. You know,
I was texting with Jackson during the game, like, I
always have to be careful saying this kind of stuff
because there's a segment of Steph Curry fans that are
so just irrational that they take it as some sort
of criticism of Steph or some sort of minimize attempt
to minimize Steph. But Steve Kerr is a top two
coach in this league, and Draymond Green is the greatest
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defensive player of this era. And this team has an
extremely high floor even without Steph because of those two
guys and what they do to set the floor on
both ends of the floor, what Draymond does defensively. And
then Steve Kerr in that front office, and I want
to connect the front office to this. This has been
consistent through multiple general managers. But they just know how
to find smart basketball players. That can play within what
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Steve Kerr asks them to do. And that's what allows
you to see guys like Quentin Post step in and
be impactful, Pat Spencer step in and be impactful. For
a guy like Buddy Heel who literally struggled at every
other destination of his career to suddenly come into Golden
State and be a useful player on both ends of
the floor, like that is a credit to Steve Kerr,
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and that's a credit to this organization. And like I thought,
tonight was just a giant advertisement for what makes the
Warriors one of the great organizations in the NBA from
the top down. And Steph is just the top tier
superstar that can lift them to championship level success. But
these guys that there is this is this is one
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of the great coaches in NBA history and one of
the great defensive players in NBA history. And those dudes
got the job done in extremely unfortunate circumstances with their
star going down early in the game the way they did.
But let's talk about the specific differences. So the defense,
Golden State was the number one defense in the league
after the Jimmy Butler trade. I talked about this a
lot coming into the playoff runt. But this is, in
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my opinion, an entirely different tier of defensive team than
the Lakers team that Minnesota faced in the first round. Specifically,
the two things that I mentioned was their ability on
the perimeter to actually get up into the ball because
they actually have some quick guards that can guard the ball.
Guys like Gary Payton, Guys like Moses Moody, guy like
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Buddy Healed has been defending at a really high level
this year. They got a bunch of guys that can
actually use their quickness up on the ball. The Lakers
were a team that could not pressure the ball. They
could not pressure the ball because they're all six' eight six'
nine and pretty slow footed. By comparison they have to
play more of, a passive contained type. Of defense they're
sitting back off. The ball they're trying To funnel ant
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because they know they can't. Stop him they're trying to
funnel him into a certain type of help. Side situation
they were just facing all these like foot speed mismatches
all over. The floor Right With. GOLDEN state i thought
the biggest thing that stood out right away was just
How uncomfortable minnesota was on the Perimeter Against golden state's.
Ball pressure all of that ball pressure caused them to rush,
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the issue force the issue into. The paint and, Then Again,
Draymond green you're not going to find a better PLAYER
in nba history at occupying the paint and disrupting everything
there while also being able to get out and get
a great close out On a nase read or get
out and get a great close out on another shooter
on the. Weak side And So golden state Just put
minnesota into a completely different type of offensive situation instead
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of getting to walk the ball up the court and
just pick a mismatch that they liked and set a
screen to get the switch and then space the floor
and then it gets to casually dribble wherever, he Wants
and julius gets to casually dribble wherever. He, wants instead
it's pressure forcing them to make. Decisions quicker any sort
of ball pressure typically is going to lead to an
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offensive player just looking to attack it off, The dribble
and there was just a lot of really poor decisions
in the middle of the Floor by Ant and julius
in the. First half they did get better in the.
Second half there was also a little bit of a
Letup From golden state as they took multiple twenty, point
leads but they did have some success in the. Second
Half anthony edwards in particular started to figure out how
to get to the rim. And finish this is one
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of the BIG things i picked up from the, series
preview if you, GUYS remember i just think this particular
matchup is really Rough For. Julius randall he on defense
is asked to track shooters and be paying attention off,
ball constantly and then on the offensive end of, the
floor It's just draymond's one of the best guys at
once again stunting at him and making him uncomfortable and
putting him in positions or he can make bad decisions
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or take. Bad shots, BUT overall i thought the gap
in the defense was abundantly clear. Right away they allowed
just thirty one points in the. First half even in
the second Half when minnesota made. Their run, If Ever
golden state needed to kind of reassert control of. The
situation they were able to get the stops that they needed.
To get they had some Issues With rudy gobert on the,
offensive glass but they were able to kind of keep
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it relatively within a manageable type. Of margin just their
defense cleanly won the first round of, this match the
first game in. This series minnesota will. Have adjustments there's
going to be a lot of things that they'll look
to do better and look to. Do DIFFERENTLY but i
thought the initial idea Of What golden state's defense does
and how it's different than What the lakers do had
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a substantial Impact. On minnesota on the other end of,
THE floor I Thought golden state generally looked very comfortable
early in. The game they had a couple of guys
that went Called Like buddy healed was really struggling to
hit shots earlier in, The Game jimmy butler who was
struggling to get going early in.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
The game but you.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Could see steph got several clean. Looks early you could
see that the dynamic of the Way That golden state
was attacking on offense Was giving. Minnesota FITS and i
thought we especially saw that in the middle portion of.
The GAME because i want To Take steph CURRY and
i want to remove him from the equation for, a
Second because steph is a obviously this top five player
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in the world who is one of the greatest PLAYERS in,
nba history greatest shooter of, all time all, That stuff
but there's also a basketball schematic. Concept Inside What golden
state does is very different Than what, minnesota does and
that is they have incessant action ball in, player movement
the balls popping from side. To side shooters are constantly
running off. Of actions there's all sorts of little things
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they do to try to, confuse you or they'll run
an action one way and then guys will slip out
of screens the. Next time there's relentless pace and motion
in the. Half court they push the ball off of missus.
Extremely well just very different Than that lakers team that
was giving the Ball, to luca walking the ball up
the court and doing the Same thing minnesota was doing
on the, other end which is just finding a matchup
that they wanted and then spacing the floor and playing
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one on. One basketball it's just a very different type.
OF matchup i talked about this in the, series preview but,
to me this was a Matchup where minnesota was going
to have to defend with, their brain not with, their
legs and where's that's where it's very different than what
they did Against.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
The lakers the third quarter is a.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Classic example you give up thirty six points and you
lose a lesser Version Of steph Curry And buddy healed
constantly in that quarter because you're not tracking all of
the ball in, player movement because you're not as attentive
as you need. To be the offensive rebounds are a
big part. Of It golden state at eighteen offensive rebounds
despite being an. Undersized team why. Is that It's because
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minnesota is in rotation dealing with this blender, of players
and in those sorts of situations when you're tracking shooters
off of screens and stuff, like that a lot of
times the screeners will free up going towards. The Basket
jimmy butler got seven offensive rebounds in. This Game, buddy
heald he's running around. In circles he's not just getting
open as, a shooter he's getting open as. A crasher
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because he's getting he's getting separated from. His defender And
so minnesota will defend better over the course of. This
series that's the Thing With golden state, in general is
they tend to catch you really off guard early in
a series with their ball in, player movement and you
do get, somewhat Better but it's just a very different type.
Of matchup and one of the things you Saw was.
Steph too steph was able to break off some of,
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these taller skinnier Defenders from minnesota that are more like
length athletes instead of like foot speed type of athletes
that he can get leaning one way or another and
get out of position so he can rise up and
knock down. A shot i thought the dramatic difference in
the matchup showed in a big Way from, minnesota today
and they got a lot of work in front of
them in order to clean some of that.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Stuff. UP now.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I want to let's go To the warrior shoutouts First
and i'll circle Back to steph's Injury because steph's injury
is kind of like a big picture thing. For Me
So jimmy butler in the, second, half again the entire
job changed as Soon As steph curry went out of.
The game it was gonna become a defensive slug fest at,
that point and you were gonna need other guys to
step up and be. Really aggressive suddenly it's gonna be
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a lot more of like You need jimmy to operate
as a score not just as a kind of a
full crum in the middle of. The floor you're Gonna
Need buddy heel to kind of like up the range
of what he considers to be a good shot into
a range that's a little bit further towards, bad shot
because you're gonna need him to. Be aggressive you needed
guys to step up and. Get Buckets jonathan kaminga coming
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In and jay generating seven points the way. HE did
i know it doesn't seem, like much but those buckets
felt important in. The Moment Like pat spencer coming in
and hitting that spin move on To Kill alexander walker
along the baseline and banking.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That in did you get it was?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So funny you could see Then Kile alexander walker was
so frustrated that he gave up a bunt that he
gave up a Bucket. To pat, but uh and then
he hits, that, big sweeping driving hook down the lane
Line Against. Rudy gobert just those two self created buckets
in a situation, like that those are like found money
in a game like this when your star. Goes Down
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gary payton hitting a couple of threes that. He hit
there were just so many guys that, stepped Up Like
draymond green went cold late in. The game him hitting
those four threes early in the game and building that. Initial,
advantage Like If steph curry goes out of the game and,
it's tied you're not winning. This game the psychology of
it is fundamentally different when you have. That Lead when
steph leaves, the game it suddenly turns into a situation
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where you can Look at buddy and, it's, like, hey
dude seven for nine nineteen, Is okay like we just
need you to try to score as much as, you
can but just make sure you're focused. On defense you
can Go to jimmy and, be like it's okay if
you take some of these. Tougher shots you can go
to these guys and, be like it's not a. Big
deal pat if you missed that sweeping hook down the.
Lane line it removes the pressure from. THE situation i
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was literally thinking about it in the fourth Quarter when
minnesota was making. Their run, i'm like they literally just
need a couple of buckets and this game. Is over
buddy hits a three on the, Left Wing jimmy butler
hits a little leaning jump shot around.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Elbow boom game.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Is over and it's because they were able to build that,
initial margin which in large part came down to the
quality of their Defense And draymond green knocking down those
threes early in. The game but like just a bunch
of contributions down the line on both ends of, the
floor just really really, impressive effort an organizational Win For,
golden state a demonstration of the fact that you, don't win.
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YOU know i think part of this is just basketball
culture and the way we talk about. The game and
this is not Just a. Steff thing this Is a.
Lebron thing I've seen lebron fans do this all, the, time,
like oh he carried his team to, a championship he,
did this he, did that and, IT'S like I think
lebron's the greatest basketball player of. All time i'm not
trying to say he didn't do, those things BUT if
i looked back through, his championships it's like he won
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in twenty twenty because he had one of the greatest
defenses that was, ever Assembled And anthony davis was playing
at like a top, five level and he was surrounded
By Like alex Caruso And Contavious colwell Pope And frank
vogel was one of the best defensive coaches in the
league at. THE time i go to, twenty sixteen it's The.
J r smith hitting massive shots in the. Third Quarter
It's kyrie irving hitting a, Game Winner It's kevin love
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getting big stops down. THE stretch i go to, you
know you can go down the line through all of
these big moments in, playoff history, and yeah there are
stars at the tip of. The spear but basketball is a.
Team sport it's an. Organizational sport it takes. Great coaching
it takes a front office that is connected to the,
coaching staff that understands the type of players that the coaching.
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Staff needs it requires personnel that compliments your star and
both ends of. The like it is an intricate thing
to put together a championship. Basketball team And the warriors
have done it four times and it's because of down.
The organization they have excellence at so many. Key POSITIONS
and i just thought tonight was just a big statement in.
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That regard so what does this look like on the.
Step front the beautiful thing about winning this particular game
is you now have your goal completed for going on
the Road. To minnesota you stole home. COURT advantage i
don't Know That golden, state can, you know win the Series.
WITHOUT steph i would find that, extremely unlikely even with their,
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defensive advantages even with the type of play that they
got Out Of buddy Held And jimmy. Butler tonight It's
just minnesota's a really good Team And steph curry, for
ME like, i mentioned is the superstar that can solve
the unsolvable problems that a. Series presents think of it
at a real. Basic level there's only so much you
can do with a. Good coach there's only so much
you can do with a great. Defensive, player ultimately there
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are so many situations that present themselves in a playoff
series where only the superhero can conquer. The problem AND
so i have a hard time believing they can win
this Series. Without steph so if we talk, about it
if we talk, it through what is the Pathway for
steph to return in this series in a Way Where
golden state has a legitimate chance to. Win well game
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two Is, on Thursday and game three Is, on Saturday
and game four Is, on Monday and game five Is.
On wednesday they're going every, Other day so it's going
to be really tough To bring steph back at some
point during that stretch. Of games but if you can
somehow steal one Game In golden state on the strength
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of your home Crowd And jimmy butler having a massive
Night And buddy hial having a massive night and a
few role players stepping up in a, big way and
you can take it too two Back. To minnesota Even
if minnesota wins. That game you literally have three full
days Off before game six on, the eighteenth which Is.
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A sunday so there is a version of this where
you could go three to two Back To, golden State
leave steph at. Home rehabbing all he does is round
the clock do what he needs to do to. Get
healthy you could give him a solid twelve days to rest,
that hamstring and that might still not, be ENOUGH but
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i see that as like a relatively reasonable possibility that
in almost Two weeks steph could rehab, the injury come
Back on sunday In a game Six In. Golden state
then you go on the Road in game Seven. To,
minnesota obviously you have the Advantage of minnesota not having
had To guard steph to that point in, the series
so there's a little bit of an advantage of them
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being caught off guard in, That respect, but again it's
a thin path. For me just hamstrings are. So finicky.
It's WEIRD like i. LEFT this I left game one
feeling very STRONGLY that i was on the right side
of things in terms of my. Series prediction but THEN
now i leave the game Feeling Like golden state has
a very slim chance to win, the series because that's
just the unfortunate part Of That steph. Curry injury On the,
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wolves front several, SPECIFIC things i thought that they were
a bit more attentive in their off ball defense in the.
Fourth quarter, in particular the Shots That golden state hit
at that point in the game were much more geared
towards their, lesser shooters and even the shot that like
the Shots that buddy, was hitting there was a couple
open ones that. He got the Ones that buddies was
hitting were rushed and contested in a lot. Of situations
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and so there the, pathway is you need to polish
up your off ball defense from game. To game it's
not gonna. Happen overnight there's a lot of habits that
you got to. Pick, Up again like we, talked about
it's more of a. Mental challenge it'll take time for
them to polish those. Things up but if you get
more attentive on off ball defense over the course of,
the series and then the big thing is going to
be on the. Offensive End anthony Edwards And julius randall
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and their decision making in the middle of.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
The, floor like EVEN though i.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Got going in the, second half still was a steady
diet of him forcing the issue into the paint and
trying to make everything happen by himself as a score
once again only to. Assist tonight if you look back
to the job he Did, against la there's a pretty
strong correlation between his playmaking and the team being able.
To score and so it's going to be big on
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those guys solving the mental challenge in the, half court
making the right decisions in the middle of the floor
to try to get those quality catch and. Shoot opportunities
like there was a lot of talk About the wolves
shooting in this. PARTICULAR game i did not see it
as an example of just guys. Missing shots that's not
what it looked like. To me, to me it had
(22:39):
much more of a vibe where you've got to Give
the warriors credit for rushing them off the Line. The
Lakers the lakers Game in, game five there was a
whole lot of just wide open shots that they were
hitting or missing that were on these kickouts and offensive
rebounds were like literally no one's even in. THE frame
I Thought golden state did a great job in this
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game Of rushing minnesota off the line and actually playing
them into. Those misses there's a huge difference between guys
are just missing shots and you're actually causing them to.
Miss shots and so in order to generate better three,
point shooting you have to generate better quality three. Point
shots in order to generate better quality three, point shots
you need your decision makers to make better decisions in
(23:20):
the middle of. THE floor i Just checked synergy to
try to get some information on the percentage of their
shots that were guarded. Or unguarded synergy still, hasn't updated
so when we get over to playback, Later tonight i'll
start to pull some of the specific data that came
out of game one to see if there's anything to.
Learn there but the other piece of it two is
if you get better playing defense and you get more
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stops by managing the off, ball action more, or better
you can get yourself in a situation where you're playing in,
transition more which could be a big way to get.
Them going, all right let's Move On indiana cleveland the
other injury bummer game from Tonight As, DeAndre Hunter, evan
Mobley And. Darius garland we're all out of uniform For The.
CLEVELAND cap i Talked About tyree Saliburton after game one
(24:03):
in him being relentless was THE word i used with
his advantage, hunting essentially like every single time that you
leave somebody open on a, slip on like in nail
help uh, low man help foot in, the paint, this
that whatever, It is he's gonna make the pass every.
Single TIME and i think relentless is basically the theme
word for this entire. Basketball team they literally never stop coming,
(24:28):
at you no matter How well, cleveland played no matter
how big of a lead, they took no matter how
many times they took. The lead cleveland took two separate twenty,
point leads not including the big one they had late in.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The game.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But no, matter what you score to go, up twenty
you score to go up, seven late they're taking the
ball out of. The net they're quickly, inbounding it and
they're running it down your throat every. Single time no.
Matter what if they get stopped, in transition they're gonna
back it out and they're gonna run a bunch of world.
Win action in the, half court hunt, those advantages try
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to get a.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Good look if, they miss they're gonna crash the.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Offensive glass Look At Aaron neie smith at the end of,
this game just over and over and, over again crashing the.
Offensive glass if you once they get, a bucket they're
just gonna immediately start picking you up full court and
making everything a pain in. The ass in the, back
court try to rush you into a mistake so they
can run down the. Floor again and no matter how
many times you have a positive sequence where you make
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three four plays in, a row they're waiting on you.
To relax they're counting on you. To relax. It's all
it doesn't matter how well. You execute you can be
up seven in the. Final minute they've won that game twice.
This year more ball pressure forcing multiple turnovers in the.
Final minute One on strus on, an inbounds One On
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donovan mitchell stepping through An elbowing nesmith in, the Face
Another nie smith wild crash on an offensive rebound off
of a miss free throw where he dunks It Over
donovan mitchell and throws him into. The ground another blow
Of a haliburton drive right to the basket for, a
layup quickly scoring on an out of bound sequence out of,
A timeout another offensive rebound TapouT on a free Throw From.
Miles Turner Another tyreese haliburton step back three at the
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top of the key to win. The game they literally
never stopped coming at you in every facet of. The
game they weaponize their speed in every facet of. The
game it really. Is remarkable that's how they keep. Coming
back that's why they're The. Comeback kings they just count
on you eventually letting go of. The rope they know
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you'll only do a good job for a portion of
the game and that they'll be able. To Capitalize the
caves did a good job Of defending indiana in the.
First quarter brought a lot, more pressure a lot more
attentiveness to. THOSE advantages i was talking about it, first
shift before the first. Time out they were a, little
SLOPPY as I think indiana went up nine, to two
and they give up some easy ones but for the
rest of the first quarter they were really, really sharp
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And then indiana scored three straight quarter of at least thirty.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Four Points.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Tyrs alberton in the, first half he looked like a
Ghost of haliburton's past in a lot, of ways kind
of like in last year in, the playoffs where he'd
have these bizarrely. Passive GAMES but i thought he woke
up and was great after that. First quarter he had
eleven six and three just in the, second half made
two massive plays in the final minute that stole the
game as.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
A score.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Cleveland asked for. It too they started taking a victory
lap early in, the game which again it's like you
think somebody would have learned After what indiana has done,
all season but they start chanting Overrated.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
At Halliburton donovan mitch.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Was, like everybody chill out, like this this is a,
terrible idea and he burned him. For it this was
a stat from My Friend carson Breber From. Nerds sage
he tweeted it out during. The Game tyres haliburton is
now ten for eleven on shots to tie or take
the lead in the final two minutes of games.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
This.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Year unbelievable Clutch Player. Tyris aliburton it's been so much
fun seeing him healthy again because it just looks like
a different guy than the guy we saw at the
tail end of. Last Season Aaron nie smith, unbelievable game
a lot of quality defensive possessions On, tyjer rome who
was just in jail. All night we'll talk about that in.
A minute he had two massive threes in the. Third
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quarter cavs went, up twenty had a great, defensive possession
and he just hits like a bailout bomb out of
the left corner over a. Great contest hits a transition
three right before the end of the third quarter that
cut the lead down. To fourteen completely changed the feel of,
the game the relentless crashing of the. Offensive glass you
guys saw the dunk on the. Free throw he had
another One On donovan mitchell where he just kind of
did a swim move on him coming off of the,
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left wing got an easy little bank shot. Put back,
you know one of the things that teams will do
Against the pacers is they'll, be like, all right, You
Know nie smith is our best option to hide an
offensive player that we need to, give, rest right so
You Hide donovan mitchell there and hopes that he'll get
to take. It, easy well one of the ways you
can make sure he doesn't get to take it easy
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is relentlessly crashing the. Offensive glass He Wore donovan. Mitch
there he made it So that donovan could. Not Rest
ben mathern unbelievable second half in, this game straight up,
rim pressure getting downhill and ball Screens Against, jared allen
drawn fouls and finishing, off him finishing against him at,
the rim crashing the offensive. Glass himself running. In transition
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he had a couple of big transition leak. Out Buckets
ben mathurin was a huge scoring pop from in. This
Game miles turner spacing not just at the three, point
line but also hit a bunch of those little short
role kind of like it's like, mid range short range
spacing type, of shots you, Know how like we see
a bunch of different versions of this around. The league
like Guys like Hartenstein And jared allen do it with
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like little, short Floaters But miles turner can like easily
rise up into a little twelve thirteen foot jump shot
and knock it down at a. High clip he was
spacing the floor in. That way he was beating switches
out of ball screens in the. Fourth quarter twice in the,
fourth Quarter the cavs switched the, ball screen he Posted
Up max struce and got an. Easy bucket he Posted
Up isaac corro and got an easy bucket on this
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kind of like nifty little really short range ball screen
where he just sealed the coorra right underneath. The basket
and then his drop coverage Defense On. TY jerome, I
Like ti jerome is having a, nightmare series and we're
going to talk about it in, a second but like
a big part of That Is. Miles turner he is
putting on a drop coverage clinic in the sense that
he's mixing up at the level and a little bit
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further back types. Of coverages He's Catching ti jerome off.
Guard constantly one of the THINGS that I Think jared
allen has figured out Is That ti jerome prefers to take.
The floater and this is just this IS The nba
playoffs in, a, Nutshell Right Like ti drome was the
best floater shooter in the entire league, this season sixty
two percent.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
On him in the.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Regular season he was six for eleven in the first Round,
against miami but he's not the guy that's going to
go to the rim every. Single Time And miles turner,
has clearly through the coaching staff or through his, own
tape whatever it is that, He's watching he's just been
on top of that floater the, entire series just Stunting At,
ti jerome attacking, the pocket preventing him from comfortably rising into.
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That floater he's bumped him on his high drop possessions
and kept him from turning. The corner turner's just done
a great job Defensively On ty jerome and it's a
huge part of how They've held cleveland's offense under control
every time that they've needed to. Get, stops again they
got a bunch of stops when they. Needed to in
the fourth quarter of, this game Held the cavs twenty
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one points after getting lit up for the first. Three
quarters miles Was Fantastic ti. JEROME again i want To
credit turner in his drop, coverage defense but he's five
for sixteen on floaters now in. This series he's leaving
his three point shots way short off the front of
the rim every. Single time seems like he's got the
full blown. Yips now and that's really tough Because the
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caves desperately need Him With darius, garland out and he
just hasn't been. GOOD enough i feel Terrible for. Cavs
fans they had such an. AWESOME season i was actually
really starting to believe in in that first round series
with the level they were, reaching offensively and then you
lose three of your top six players before game two
of the.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Second round.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
INDIANA'S great i picked them to win multiple games in
this series even If the calves are at. FULL strength
I Assume darius garland and everyone would be ready. To
go But the calves just have no chance to win
this series as undermanned as. They are and the big
disappointment has been. Their defense some of it is. The
injuries they've defended Better with mobley on the floor in.
The series mobile is the defensive player of, the Year
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but indiana has looked entirely too comfortable through the first.
Two games they've logged an offensive rating over one hundred,
and twenty AND so i just Think the calves need
to be operating at full tilt in order to win
for the next, five games and it just seems extremely
unlikely that they're going to be able to pull. That,
off so in, Other Words tyre saliburton in many ways
put this series into serious danger of being over with
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that shot that he. Hit tonight, all right let's take
about ten minutes of questions before we head over. To
playback we're Gonna have jackson Come.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
On state let's.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Do it let's do some male bag questions.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
First up we're gonna start with some questions About the,
warrior series and we'll do something About.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
The.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
PACERS first i put a poll in the chat asking
the chat When should steph come back game, four earlier,
game five. Or later seventy three percent of the chat
said game, four earlier which. IS interesting, I mean i
think that's both optimistic as well as, you, know HOPEFUL
but i think it's it's gonna. BE tough i, would
say as someone who has also had a hamstring, injury
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before to come back in, six days.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Did you re?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
INJURY yours i just it's just IMPOSSIBLE that i was,
like YOU and i think like most people just didn't
give it the. Requisite rest so it's NOT like i
reinjured it, so bad but it just didn't. Heal quickly
it just didn't. Heal, quickly, yeah dude. It's brutal it's
it's such a.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Complicated PROCESS and i think THAT'S where i feel like it's,
overly optimistic because like you got to think. Big picture
there's no point In beating Minnesota if STEP's not going
to be good for the rest of.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The playoff.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's true so your your chance is One that steph's
hamstring tear is. Extremely MILD now i am somewhat encouraged
by the idea that it's going to, be mild simply
because he gave out a couple of he gave out.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
A bucket after he heard he gave out.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
A bucket he got that little floater that he put
it off the front of, the rim and he was
coming off of ball screens and pitching It to draymond
and still. Generating advantages and he wasn't, moving good but he,
Was moving and so that leaves me somewhat encouraged that
it was probably a somewhat. Mild strain so the question
Is can steph recover from a mild strain in. TWELVE
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days i do think. HE can i don't think he
can cover from a mild strain in, nine days which
is what you would need to bring him back in. Game,
five also it's like think. Of it think of it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
This way.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Let's Say golden state steels one of, those games the
Ones In, golden state so it's two to two going Back.
To minnesota that's a, really big, really important really physical
game that would be really tough to just Toss A
steph curry in that in that sort. Of situation whereas,
GAME six i feel like you could play step, shorter
bursts playing like thirty minutes and probably get that job
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done because of how much they can defend in front
of their home crowd and stuff. Like THAT so i
mean a lot of it's going to be by ear,
Right guys like If If golden state loses each of
the next, three games they probably Don't bring steph back
cause there's just no point in having him tear his
hamstring trying to come back from a three to one
deficit and be put in a situation where he's out
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for two months in, the summer or, god forbid he
needs some kind. Of SURGERY so i think it's going
to be a lot of like reading the room and
seeing how, It goes like if they what if they
go three, To one like what if they win both
Games In golden State, without steph they may decide to
literally see if they can win the series. Without him
so there's a lot of different angles this. Can go
and it's got to be day to Day how, steph feeling,
you know a lot of it's going to be kind
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of read and react on the information day.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
To day and that is as of Ten pm, pacific
time the latest reporting is that he is going to
GET an.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Mri Tomorrow steve carr.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Said they're playing on him being day, to day, quote
unquote and that they are not expecting Him for, game two,
which is, you know in line with everything.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
We're expecting it would be really dumb to play him.
In games there's.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
No, way yeah question about, you Know the warriors going
Forward Without steph curry in the games that they will be.
Without him, who first who would be your starting five
For the warriors in Game Withou Stuph.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Curry man, THAT'S interesting i think that so we Think
of buddy as the obvious Replacement for steph in the,
starting lineup even though he was already in the. Starting
lineup he slots into that two. Guard spot he's there
Next to PODS or i guess he's the point next.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
TO pods.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I actually thought That the warriors did a good job
of Contending with minnesota with their speed rather than with.
Their SIZE so i THINK that i would PROBABLY consider.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Consider kaminga and, HERE'S why i hear, me out just
pitch this hair brained idea house money, game, two right
what if you can find a way to get coming
into some kind of rhythm in game two and that
ends up being something that you can ride In game korean?
Game four, so like what if you started him and
gave him, more opportunity basically with the idea of being
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if we can build some sort of Rhythm with kaminga in,
this game it could be the difference between us being
able to win our games Back In golden state. Or
not there's other directions they. COULD go, I Mean moses
moody was a nightmare. OFFENSIVELY tonight i didn't hate their big.
Looks tonight that's another, Thing TOO like I Thought kevon
looney battled, Pretty well so like there's a version of
this where they could go. Big TOO but I think
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i would Go. With kminga what?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
ABOUT you i had not Even Considered jonathan kaminga Starting
because i'm so down on him even though he had
he had a pretty good, stretch, tonight actually but that
is an. INTERESTING one i do think that trying to
see if you can get him in a rhythm in
a game that is you're playing with house money is a.
GOOD idea i, also think as we've talked, about, many
many many, Many Times jonathan, kiminga operates it's way way
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better when he has physical, athletic mismatches and so trying
to align Him In mike connley minutes is not the.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Worst idea not that.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
YOU'RE like i spend your whole offensive philosophy Around, getting kumingo,
you know possessions On with conley, guarding him but it
is a place, where it's, you know definitely the most
obvious physical mismatch that he would have Against any.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Timbleves PLAYER so i think it's an interesting and.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Interesting idea he kind of figured out some off ball.
Utility tonight he hit it, that THREE which i was
actually a really important both the business back to.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Back Buggets the draymond's. Baseline, drive yeah the.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Baseline.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Drive, yeah well and that's the other. Thing too Draymond
and jimmy both will throw those baseline drives and they're
constantly looking for cutters flashing in front of, the rim
and like there's there's like some legitimate kind of like
spacing value with him as like a cutter in those
sorts of situations and he can find those Runways, Because
minnesota minnesota is just so bad and they're off there
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terrible and it and you're right like that that him
and the starting lineup could be a way to try
to tie Him To mike.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Conley's minutes, that's interesting another sort of.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Rotation question why do You think quentin Posts gudzero runta
and do you think he's also an option to get maybe,
not start but maybe startet get some sort of minutes
in the rest of The series with, THAT stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think it's part of just like The Momentum kevon
looney had after a Really nice, game seven also just
the Idea that minnesota presents a threat as an offensive
rebounding team as we saw in the In the.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Lakers series, BUT.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Like i think it's GONNA be i think it's gonna
be a lot Of Like steve kerr doing what he,
Did TONIGHT like i thought That Stan van gundy did
a really, nice job but kind of like Explaining How
steve kerr has this unique trust for the players down.
As roster we talked about this at the top of,
the show but there is something to be said about
the organizational approach to finding, smart players and the key
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there is they can count on these guys to come
in and do a job within the defensive game plan
like half. The battle then that's half the Issue. With
kaminga you want, to know you want to know Why
kaming it. Doesn't play it has way more to do
with the Fact that kerr just doesn't trust him to
execute the, game plan and he's kind of the odd
man out in the sense that so many of these
guys ARE Undrafted g league type of dudes That the
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warriors scouting department has identified AS high iq players that
they can fit into, their System whereas kaminga.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Is a textbook.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Lottery pick it's like he was picked, for upside, you
know not for him specifically fitting. The culture and so
that that's where you see those issues. Taking place but
moving forward in, the series Whether It's, quinton post Whether It's,
key santos Whether It's, pat spencer regardless of who, It
is kaminga, AS well i think falls into. This group
kerr is going to be doing a lot of like here's,
your chance show me what you got and quick hooks,
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with guys, AND like i think you're Gonna see pods play.
Big minutes You'll see draymond play. Big minutes You'll see
buddy play, Big minutes You'll play jimmy play, big MINUTES
and i think You'll see gary play. Big minutes but
the rest, of those you know that the rest of
that like kind of sixty seventy minutes that, ARE available
i think are going to be split kind of just
between who's playing well in that. GIVEN night I think
i think we could see an astronomical amount of. DIFFERENT
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lineups i think this could be the series where you
see the most different lineups played in.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
THE history, i mean they already did a lot, to
THAT and i think that instilling, that trust, you know
organizationally down Definitely from steve down is really. Really Beneficially
key santo's got run today before kuminga super, short shift
didn't get back in, the game and that's not a
not issue for the roster and the team chemistry as
a whole because of the sort of that culture that
they've that.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
They've instilled that's a.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Great point let's move take a couple questions about the,
other series and then we can head over. To playback,
first one why do you think people seem to Not
Like tyre's?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Halliburn's play, you.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Know he got the most overrated, player obviously when the
evidence seems to show that he is someone who is happening,
playoff success can lead a team to the, Conference finals
he's good in, the clutch. Impacts winning what is sort
of the issue around the Perception Of.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Tyre's, HALIBURTON so, I uh i think that most basketball
junkies out There Like tyrese halliburton from what at least
FROM what i can tell and from, my perspective in
the sense that they can see his value in what
he does. REALLY well i THINK among nba players he's
just a. Shit TALKER like i don't think it's any
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more complicated. Than that like he, is good and he kicks,
your ass and he talks a bunch, of SHIT and
i think it just rubs everybody the. Wrong WAY and i,
THINK also i do think that there's such a THING
as i think that there are a good CHUNK of
nba players who see the game through the lens of what.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
They DO.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
And i, THINK this i think you see a lot
of manifestations of this around, the league where like stars
will like certain types of role players but dislike other
types of players because they kind of like fit their own, basketball,
Worldview right like like how many times have we seen
you remember with Like ragon rondo On the lakers, for
ins this is a. Great example, we're like we're watching
from the sidelines and, we're like why the Hell is
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rayjon getting all these Minutes Over. Alex cruso but, it's
like so the guys in that, locker room They're Like
ray jehan's. A genius, you know we're gonna like, He's
gonna he's gonna. Guy this he's our point Guard due
lebron was always obsessed with backup playmaking in that phase of,
his career if you. Remember, correctly, so like it just
is one of those THINGS where i think there are
a lot of players in the league that struggle To
see tyresee's value because he's such a different kind of player.
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Than EVERYBODY, Like i by, the way there's some of This.
With jokic there's some of This, With JOKIC LIKE i
i feel like there are a lot. OF players i
think now everyone's kind Of accepted jokic as the obvious
ass kicker that, He is but there was like a
like in that twenty, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four
there were a lot of years there where it seemed
like some of the players around the league didn't quite
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have the appreciation For what, jokic did just because he
was So. Different tyresee you combine it with him just
being a just, a HAWKER and i think it just
rubs everybody the wrong way among, his PEERS and i
think that's why he gets voted.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Like, THAT yeah i also think there's not that anyone
would be able to admit this or even be conscious
of don't necessarily there's sort of a factor with him And,
with jokic they're Just slightly they're just a little. Bit
dorky they're not The Classic anthony edwards bulldog pro athlete.
Personality TYPE and i think to, your point it just
even if it's not rubbing people the, wrong way it's
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that they're it's not what they're sort of, accustomed to
what they these players envision the best versions of themselves
are the best versions OF an nba basketball player as an.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Idea would look and SOUND like i think a.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Little bit, you're right that's such a great point because
it's like it extends to everything stylistically, as well like
his nineteen, points TONIGHT and i thought he was excellent.
Like that it's not the kind of thing that's going
to show up in thirty thirty five. Point games it's
not going to show up with him dunking on. Your
head although he's a better ATHLETE than i think he gets.
Credit for he's got kind of a funky set shot
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in terms of his, jun shot although he gets more
he gets more lyft than you'd think on some of
his movement off the. Dribble shots But like tyrese is
just a very unorthodox player and in almost every way
on and off. The COURT and i think that's a
big part, of it.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Hundred percent, all right let's do one more. Question here
we'll go over.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
To playback do you Think this pacers team is better than,
last year just, you know largely the. Same roster do
you Think the pacers team? Is better and, if so
do you think they Can beat boston?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Next round if it Would.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
BE boston i think they are substantially better than that,
last YEAR and i think that they have a legitimate
chance To beat boston in a way that they didn't.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Last year.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
The first piece of It Is. Tyres haliburton tyres is
just playing at a substantially higher level than he did.
Last year we talked about This With steph curry in
the in the earlier segments of. The show but playoff
series present. Unsolvable problems it's kind of like the beating, Switches,
thing like at a, certain point you got to have
a guy that can go one on one against a
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good defender and create a great shot and over and,
over again whether it was Him Cooking jared Allen in
game One, in switches or whether it's Him cooking Giannis
in game Six or game five Of the. Bucks, series
like he just has an upside as a switch beater
in this playoff run that he did not have. LAST
year i think that's the, big difference and that is the.
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Ceiling Razor when indiana got presented with the unsolvable problem
That was boston tightening the screws at the end of games,
last year he wasn't able to. Overcome that but, THIS
year i think he's in a better position to, do
so then there's just some kind of incremental improvement down.
The Roster BEN mathurin i think has, been great and
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he's his athleticism has been a big upside in this
like super physical. PLAYOFF environment i thought he was a
huge part of their second half. Comeback Tonight Aaron ne
smith has just gotten like ten percent better, at everything
and that has made a. Big difference like he's a
more of a, knockdown shooter he's better. Attacking closeouts there
we can go down, the roster BUT like, i mean
there's just so many Guys Like. Miles turner like there's
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been so much talk about whether or Not the pacers
would re Up With, miles turner whether or not he'd
be a. Free agent, to me he's such a core
part of what Makes the pacers great on both ends of.
THE floor i don't see how they can move On From.
Miles TURNER like i understand you might have to make
a really tough, decision financially and that may be, the
case but like if you can somehow, retain him you
got to. Retain him he's just. So important but as
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a team they're just kind of incrementally better down the
roster And then tyree's has a, superstar upside and that
to me is all it takes to make them a
legitimate championship threat in a way that they weren't in.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
Years, PAST yeah i also think that we probably underestimated
as a collective be, you know it's, relevant now especially With.
Top curry the hamstring Injury That tyres haliburton had.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Last season he.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
He, you know by the time the playoffs, came back
it felt like he was more or less back to pre,
injury yourself but it's probably fair to say he was
at eighty, five percent maybe, ninety eight, eighty percent maybe
something in that sort, of range and that's going to
make it specifically tough to. BEAT switches I would i
would argue it's it's probably evidence as the fact that
he's able to, you know Blow by giannis in the
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clutch moment and get major separation thing for a game.
Winner tonight he looks very healthy and very, very good
and that's, you know important to remember as we're thinking
About up curry's. Come Back tyre's halliburton took. Six months
not that, you know, It's different every situation, is different.
Person's different he took functionally six months to get back
to one.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Hundred, percent yeah his was a more severe, handstring injury,
but yeah the point, still stands, which is like it
there's also a, Trust, element, LIKE dude i had a
foot Injury in juco where for an, entire semester all
of non, CONFERENCE play i was a shell of MYSELF
because i didn't trust my ability to plant, that foot,
and like and it just it causes you to. Play
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passively it causes you to kind of hold like fifteen
percent of your intensity. And RESERVE and i think that
there's an important element, to, where Like if steph doesn't
feel comfortable really pushing off, that leg it's. A problem
and there's no point In having steph go out there
if he's going to be a shell of himself and
not be nearly as impactful as he needs. To be
but hopefully we'll get some better news ABOUT the. Mri
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let's talk some basketball. So obviously, the SAT injury is
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just a huge bummer. Any of you guys have ever
had a hamstring strain. I've had one playing basketball. Ironically,
it was like a kind of an interesting trajectory thing
for my basketball career because I played JUCO my first year.
But I actually tried out for the same JUCO the
year prior and pulled my hamstring in a in the
training camp there, and I re injured it like three
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or four times before I finally gave it the appropriate
amount of rest. It's just such a finicky injury, and
the specific thing that you'll notice when you have a
hamstring injury as a basketball player, when you're trying to
make explosive moves forward, there's a lot of that hamstring
pulling your body after that first step, and like that
was where I'd constantly re injure it. I'd be like, Oh,
(04:44):
I feel fine, I'm ready to go, and then I'd
like try to do an aggressive dribble move to the
right and immediately be like, oh, nope, not even close
to ready. I need to take some more time. And
so it's just such a huge bummer, because it's hard
for me to envision a scenario where Steph is close
to one hundred percent in this series, which is obvious
a huge swing towards Minnesota's favor, and I thought this
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was a series that Golden State could win for a
lot of the same reasons that you guys saw tonight.
But we'll talk about it in a minute. I do
think that there is a pathway here, a very slim
pathway for Steph to return in this series and to
be somewhat impactful. We'll talk about that in a little bit,
but as far as this particular game goes, one of
the big things I talked about in the series preview
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was just the simple fact that this is a very, very,
very different matchup than the Los Angeles Lakers team. I
was impressed by a lot of what Minnesota did in
the first round, but it looked pretty similar to what
they did to Phoenix last year, and I left that
series primarily extremely disappointed with the Los Angeles Lakers and
a lot of stuff they did on both ends of
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the floor, their competitiveness defensively, even at the tail end
of the series, Lebron was doing a bad job on
the Glass and defensively, Luca I thought got soundly outplayed
and looked super out of shape at the end of games.
Their defense was horrible. It just I was really disappointed
in them. And as I looked at the Warriors, I
looked at them as on offense, a very different type
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of offense, and then just a substantially better defense. You know,
I was texting with Jackson during the game, like, I
always have to be careful saying this kind of stuff
because there's a segment of Steph Curry fans that are
so just irrational that they take it as some sort
of criticism of Steph or some sort of minimize attempt
to minimize Steph. But Steve Kerr is a top two
coach in this league, and Draymond Green is the greatest
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defensive player of this era. And this team has an
extremely high floor even without Steph because of those two
guys and what they do to set the floor on
both ends of the floor, what Draymond does defensively. And
then Steve Kerr in that front office, and I want
to connect the front office to this. This has been
consistent through multiple general managers. But they just know how
to find smart basketball players. That can play within what
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Steve Kerr asks them to do. And that's what allows
you to see guys like Quentin Post step in and
be impactful, Pat Spencer step in and be impactful. For
a guy like Buddy Heel who literally struggled at every
other destination of his career to suddenly come into Golden
State and be a useful player on both ends of
the floor, like that is a credit to Steve Kerr,
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and that's a credit to this organization. And like I thought,
tonight was just a giant advertisement for what makes the
Warriors one of the great organizations in the NBA from
the top down. And Steph is just the top tier
superstar that can lift them to championship level success. But
these guys that there is this is this is one
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of the great coaches in NBA history and one of
the great defensive players in NBA history. And those dudes
got the job done in extremely unfortunate circumstances with their
star going down early in the game the way they did.
But let's talk about the specific differences. So the defense,
Golden State was the number one defense in the league
after the Jimmy Butler trade. I talked about this a
lot coming into the playoff runt. But this is, in
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my opinion, an entirely different tier of defensive team than
the Lakers team that Minnesota faced in the first round. Specifically,
the two things that I mentioned was their ability on
the perimeter to actually get up into the ball because
they actually have some quick guards that can guard the ball.
Guys like Gary Payton, Guys like Moses Moody, guy like
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Buddy Healed has been defending at a really high level
this year. They got a bunch of guys that can
actually use their quickness up on the ball. The Lakers
were a team that could not pressure the ball. They
could not pressure the ball because they're all six' eight six'
nine and pretty slow footed. By comparison they have to
play more of, a passive contained type. Of defense they're
sitting back off. The ball they're trying To funnel ant
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because they know they can't. Stop him they're trying to
funnel him into a certain type of help. Side situation
they were just facing all these like foot speed mismatches
all over. The floor Right With. GOLDEN state i thought
the biggest thing that stood out right away was just
How uncomfortable minnesota was on the Perimeter Against golden state's.
Ball pressure all of that ball pressure caused them to rush,
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the issue force the issue into. The paint and, Then Again,
Draymond green you're not going to find a better PLAYER
in nba history at occupying the paint and disrupting everything
there while also being able to get out and get
a great close out On a nase read or get
out and get a great close out on another shooter
on the. Weak side And So golden state Just put
minnesota into a completely different type of offensive situation instead
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of getting to walk the ball up the court and
just pick a mismatch that they liked and set a
screen to get the switch and then space the floor
and then it gets to casually dribble wherever, he Wants
and julius gets to casually dribble wherever. He, wants instead
it's pressure forcing them to make. Decisions quicker any sort
of ball pressure typically is going to lead to an
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offensive player just looking to attack it off, The dribble
and there was just a lot of really poor decisions
in the middle of the Floor by Ant and julius
in the. First half they did get better in the.
Second half there was also a little bit of a
Letup From golden state as they took multiple twenty, point
leads but they did have some success in the. Second
Half anthony edwards in particular started to figure out how
to get to the rim. And finish this is one
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of the BIG things i picked up from the, series
preview if you, GUYS remember i just think this particular
matchup is really Rough For. Julius randall he on defense
is asked to track shooters and be paying attention off,
ball constantly and then on the offensive end of, the
floor It's just draymond's one of the best guys at
once again stunting at him and making him uncomfortable and
putting him in positions or he can make bad decisions
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or take. Bad shots, BUT overall i thought the gap
in the defense was abundantly clear. Right away they allowed
just thirty one points in the. First half even in
the second Half when minnesota made. Their run, If Ever
golden state needed to kind of reassert control of. The
situation they were able to get the stops that they needed.
To get they had some Issues With rudy gobert on the,
offensive glass but they were able to kind of keep
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it relatively within a manageable type. Of margin just their
defense cleanly won the first round of, this match the
first game in. This series minnesota will. Have adjustments there's
going to be a lot of things that they'll look
to do better and look to. Do DIFFERENTLY but i
thought the initial idea Of What golden state's defense does
and how it's different than What the lakers do had
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a substantial Impact. On minnesota on the other end of,
THE floor I Thought golden state generally looked very comfortable
early in. The game they had a couple of guys
that went Called Like buddy healed was really struggling to
hit shots earlier in, The Game jimmy butler who was
struggling to get going early in.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
The game but you.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Could see steph got several clean. Looks early you could
see that the dynamic of the Way That golden state
was attacking on offense Was giving. Minnesota FITS and i
thought we especially saw that in the middle portion of.
The GAME because i want To Take steph CURRY and
i want to remove him from the equation for, a
Second because steph is a obviously this top five player
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in the world who is one of the greatest PLAYERS in,
nba history greatest shooter of, all time all, That stuff
but there's also a basketball schematic. Concept Inside What golden
state does is very different Than what, minnesota does and
that is they have incessant action ball in, player movement
the balls popping from side. To side shooters are constantly
running off. Of actions there's all sorts of little things
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they do to try to, confuse you or they'll run
an action one way and then guys will slip out
of screens the. Next time there's relentless pace and motion
in the. Half court they push the ball off of missus.
Extremely well just very different Than that lakers team that
was giving the Ball, to luca walking the ball up
the court and doing the Same thing minnesota was doing
on the, other end which is just finding a matchup
that they wanted and then spacing the floor and playing
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one on. One basketball it's just a very different type.
OF matchup i talked about this in the, series preview but,
to me this was a Matchup where minnesota was going
to have to defend with, their brain not with, their
legs and where's that's where it's very different than what
they did Against.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
The lakers the third quarter is a.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Classic example you give up thirty six points and you
lose a lesser Version Of steph Curry And buddy healed
constantly in that quarter because you're not tracking all of
the ball in, player movement because you're not as attentive
as you need. To be the offensive rebounds are a
big part. Of It golden state at eighteen offensive rebounds
despite being an. Undersized team why. Is that It's because
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minnesota is in rotation dealing with this blender, of players
and in those sorts of situations when you're tracking shooters
off of screens and stuff, like that a lot of
times the screeners will free up going towards. The Basket
jimmy butler got seven offensive rebounds in. This Game, buddy
heald he's running around. In circles he's not just getting
open as, a shooter he's getting open as. A crasher
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because he's getting he's getting separated from. His defender And
so minnesota will defend better over the course of. This
series that's the Thing With golden state, in general is
they tend to catch you really off guard early in
a series with their ball in, player movement and you
do get, somewhat Better but it's just a very different type.
Of matchup and one of the things you Saw was.
Steph too steph was able to break off some of,
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these taller skinnier Defenders from minnesota that are more like
length athletes instead of like foot speed type of athletes
that he can get leaning one way or another and
get out of position so he can rise up and
knock down. A shot i thought the dramatic difference in
the matchup showed in a big Way from, minnesota today
and they got a lot of work in front of
them in order to clean some of that.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Stuff. UP now.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I want to let's go To the warrior shoutouts First
and i'll circle Back to steph's Injury because steph's injury
is kind of like a big picture thing. For Me
So jimmy butler in the, second, half again the entire
job changed as Soon As steph curry went out of.
The game it was gonna become a defensive slug fest at,
that point and you were gonna need other guys to
step up and be. Really aggressive suddenly it's gonna be
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a lot more of like You need jimmy to operate
as a score not just as a kind of a
full crum in the middle of. The floor you're Gonna
Need buddy heel to kind of like up the range
of what he considers to be a good shot into
a range that's a little bit further towards, bad shot
because you're gonna need him to. Be aggressive you needed
guys to step up and. Get Buckets jonathan kaminga coming
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In and jay generating seven points the way. HE did
i know it doesn't seem, like much but those buckets
felt important in. The Moment Like pat spencer coming in
and hitting that spin move on To Kill alexander walker
along the baseline and banking.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That in did you get it was?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So funny you could see Then Kile alexander walker was
so frustrated that he gave up a bunt that he
gave up a Bucket. To pat, but uh and then
he hits, that, big sweeping driving hook down the lane
Line Against. Rudy gobert just those two self created buckets
in a situation, like that those are like found money
in a game like this when your star. Goes Down
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gary payton hitting a couple of threes that. He hit
there were just so many guys that, stepped Up Like
draymond green went cold late in. The game him hitting
those four threes early in the game and building that. Initial,
advantage Like If steph curry goes out of the game and,
it's tied you're not winning. This game the psychology of
it is fundamentally different when you have. That Lead when
steph leaves, the game it suddenly turns into a situation
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where you can Look at buddy and, it's, like, hey
dude seven for nine nineteen, Is okay like we just
need you to try to score as much as, you
can but just make sure you're focused. On defense you
can Go to jimmy and, be like it's okay if
you take some of these. Tougher shots you can go
to these guys and, be like it's not a. Big
deal pat if you missed that sweeping hook down the.
Lane line it removes the pressure from. THE situation i
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was literally thinking about it in the fourth Quarter when
minnesota was making. Their run, i'm like they literally just
need a couple of buckets and this game. Is over
buddy hits a three on the, Left Wing jimmy butler
hits a little leaning jump shot around.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Elbow boom game.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Is over and it's because they were able to build that,
initial margin which in large part came down to the
quality of their Defense And draymond green knocking down those
threes early in. The game but like just a bunch
of contributions down the line on both ends of, the
floor just really really, impressive effort an organizational Win For,
golden state a demonstration of the fact that you, don't win.
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YOU know i think part of this is just basketball
culture and the way we talk about. The game and
this is not Just a. Steff thing this Is a.
Lebron thing I've seen lebron fans do this all, the, time,
like oh he carried his team to, a championship he,
did this he, did that and, IT'S like I think
lebron's the greatest basketball player of. All time i'm not
trying to say he didn't do, those things BUT if
i looked back through, his championships it's like he won
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in twenty twenty because he had one of the greatest
defenses that was, ever Assembled And anthony davis was playing
at like a top, five level and he was surrounded
By Like alex Caruso And Contavious colwell Pope And frank
vogel was one of the best defensive coaches in the
league at. THE time i go to, twenty sixteen it's The.
J r smith hitting massive shots in the. Third Quarter
It's kyrie irving hitting a, Game Winner It's kevin love
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getting big stops down. THE stretch i go to, you
know you can go down the line through all of
these big moments in, playoff history, and yeah there are
stars at the tip of. The spear but basketball is a.
Team sport it's an. Organizational sport it takes. Great coaching
it takes a front office that is connected to the,
coaching staff that understands the type of players that the coaching.
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Staff needs it requires personnel that compliments your star and
both ends of. The like it is an intricate thing
to put together a championship. Basketball team And the warriors
have done it four times and it's because of down.
The organization they have excellence at so many. Key POSITIONS
and i just thought tonight was just a big statement in.
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That regard so what does this look like on the.
Step front the beautiful thing about winning this particular game
is you now have your goal completed for going on
the Road. To minnesota you stole home. COURT advantage i
don't Know That golden, state can, you know win the Series.
WITHOUT steph i would find that, extremely unlikely even with their,
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defensive advantages even with the type of play that they
got Out Of buddy Held And jimmy. Butler tonight It's
just minnesota's a really good Team And steph curry, for
ME like, i mentioned is the superstar that can solve
the unsolvable problems that a. Series presents think of it
at a real. Basic level there's only so much you
can do with a. Good coach there's only so much
you can do with a great. Defensive, player ultimately there
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are so many situations that present themselves in a playoff
series where only the superhero can conquer. The problem AND
so i have a hard time believing they can win
this Series. Without steph so if we talk, about it
if we talk, it through what is the Pathway for
steph to return in this series in a Way Where
golden state has a legitimate chance to. Win well game
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two Is, on Thursday and game three Is, on Saturday
and game four Is, on Monday and game five Is.
On wednesday they're going every, Other day so it's going
to be really tough To bring steph back at some
point during that stretch. Of games but if you can
somehow steal one Game In golden state on the strength
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of your home Crowd And jimmy butler having a massive
Night And buddy hial having a massive night and a
few role players stepping up in a, big way and
you can take it too two Back. To minnesota Even
if minnesota wins. That game you literally have three full
days Off before game six on, the eighteenth which Is.
(20:07):
A sunday so there is a version of this where
you could go three to two Back To, golden State
leave steph at. Home rehabbing all he does is round
the clock do what he needs to do to. Get
healthy you could give him a solid twelve days to rest,
that hamstring and that might still not, be ENOUGH but
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i see that as like a relatively reasonable possibility that
in almost Two weeks steph could rehab, the injury come
Back on sunday In a game Six In. Golden state
then you go on the Road in game Seven. To,
minnesota obviously you have the Advantage of minnesota not having
had To guard steph to that point in, the series
so there's a little bit of an advantage of them
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being caught off guard in, That respect, but again it's
a thin path. For me just hamstrings are. So finicky.
It's WEIRD like i. LEFT this I left game one
feeling very STRONGLY that i was on the right side
of things in terms of my. Series prediction but THEN
now i leave the game Feeling Like golden state has
a very slim chance to win, the series because that's
just the unfortunate part Of That steph. Curry injury On the,
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wolves front several, SPECIFIC things i thought that they were
a bit more attentive in their off ball defense in the.
Fourth quarter, in particular the Shots That golden state hit
at that point in the game were much more geared
towards their, lesser shooters and even the shot that like
the Shots that buddy, was hitting there was a couple
open ones that. He got the Ones that buddies was
hitting were rushed and contested in a lot. Of situations
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and so there the, pathway is you need to polish
up your off ball defense from game. To game it's
not gonna. Happen overnight there's a lot of habits that
you got to. Pick, Up again like we, talked about
it's more of a. Mental challenge it'll take time for
them to polish those. Things up but if you get
more attentive on off ball defense over the course of,
the series and then the big thing is going to
be on the. Offensive End anthony Edwards And julius randall
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and their decision making in the middle of.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
The, floor like EVEN though i.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Got going in the, second half still was a steady
diet of him forcing the issue into the paint and
trying to make everything happen by himself as a score
once again only to. Assist tonight if you look back
to the job he Did, against la there's a pretty
strong correlation between his playmaking and the team being able.
To score and so it's going to be big on
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those guys solving the mental challenge in the, half court
making the right decisions in the middle of the floor
to try to get those quality catch and. Shoot opportunities
like there was a lot of talk About the wolves
shooting in this. PARTICULAR game i did not see it
as an example of just guys. Missing shots that's not
what it looked like. To me, to me it had
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much more of a vibe where you've got to Give
the warriors credit for rushing them off the Line. The
Lakers the lakers Game in, game five there was a
whole lot of just wide open shots that they were
hitting or missing that were on these kickouts and offensive
rebounds were like literally no one's even in. THE frame
I Thought golden state did a great job in this
(23:00):
game Of rushing minnesota off the line and actually playing
them into. Those misses there's a huge difference between guys
are just missing shots and you're actually causing them to.
Miss shots and so in order to generate better three,
point shooting you have to generate better quality three. Point
shots in order to generate better quality three, point shots
you need your decision makers to make better decisions in
(23:20):
the middle of. THE floor i Just checked synergy to
try to get some information on the percentage of their
shots that were guarded. Or unguarded synergy still, hasn't updated
so when we get over to playback, Later tonight i'll
start to pull some of the specific data that came
out of game one to see if there's anything to.
Learn there but the other piece of it two is
if you get better playing defense and you get more
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stops by managing the off, ball action more, or better
you can get yourself in a situation where you're playing in,
transition more which could be a big way to get.
Them going, all right let's Move On indiana cleveland the
other injury bummer game from Tonight As, DeAndre Hunter, evan
Mobley And. Darius garland we're all out of uniform For The.
CLEVELAND cap i Talked About tyree Saliburton after game one
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in him being relentless was THE word i used with
his advantage, hunting essentially like every single time that you
leave somebody open on a, slip on like in nail
help uh, low man help foot in, the paint, this
that whatever, It is he's gonna make the pass every.
Single TIME and i think relentless is basically the theme
word for this entire. Basketball team they literally never stop coming,
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at you no matter How well, cleveland played no matter
how big of a lead, they took no matter how
many times they took. The lead cleveland took two separate twenty,
point leads not including the big one they had late in.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The game.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But no, matter what you score to go, up twenty
you score to go up, seven late they're taking the
ball out of. The net they're quickly, inbounding it and
they're running it down your throat every. Single time no.
Matter what if they get stopped, in transition they're gonna
back it out and they're gonna run a bunch of world.
Win action in the, half court hunt, those advantages try
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to get a.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Good look if, they miss they're gonna crash the.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Offensive glass Look At Aaron neie smith at the end of,
this game just over and over and, over again crashing the.
Offensive glass if you once they get, a bucket they're
just gonna immediately start picking you up full court and
making everything a pain in. The ass in the, back
court try to rush you into a mistake so they
can run down the. Floor again and no matter how
many times you have a positive sequence where you make
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three four plays in, a row they're waiting on you.
To relax they're counting on you. To relax. It's all
it doesn't matter how well. You execute you can be
up seven in the. Final minute they've won that game twice.
This year more ball pressure forcing multiple turnovers in the.
Final minute One on strus on, an inbounds One On
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donovan mitchell stepping through An elbowing nesmith in, the Face
Another nie smith wild crash on an offensive rebound off
of a miss free throw where he dunks It Over
donovan mitchell and throws him into. The ground another blow
Of a haliburton drive right to the basket for, a
layup quickly scoring on an out of bound sequence out of,
A timeout another offensive rebound TapouT on a free Throw From.
Miles Turner Another tyreese haliburton step back three at the
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top of the key to win. The game they literally
never stopped coming at you in every facet of. The
game they weaponize their speed in every facet of. The
game it really. Is remarkable that's how they keep. Coming
back that's why they're The. Comeback kings they just count
on you eventually letting go of. The rope they know
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you'll only do a good job for a portion of
the game and that they'll be able. To Capitalize the
caves did a good job Of defending indiana in the.
First quarter brought a lot, more pressure a lot more
attentiveness to. THOSE advantages i was talking about it, first
shift before the first. Time out they were a, little
SLOPPY as I think indiana went up nine, to two
and they give up some easy ones but for the
rest of the first quarter they were really, really sharp
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And then indiana scored three straight quarter of at least thirty.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Four Points.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Tyrs alberton in the, first half he looked like a
Ghost of haliburton's past in a lot, of ways kind
of like in last year in, the playoffs where he'd
have these bizarrely. Passive GAMES but i thought he woke
up and was great after that. First quarter he had
eleven six and three just in the, second half made
two massive plays in the final minute that stole the
game as.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
A score.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Cleveland asked for. It too they started taking a victory
lap early in, the game which again it's like you
think somebody would have learned After what indiana has done,
all season but they start chanting Overrated.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
At Halliburton donovan mitch.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Was, like everybody chill out, like this this is a,
terrible idea and he burned him. For it this was
a stat from My Friend carson Breber From. Nerds sage
he tweeted it out during. The Game tyres haliburton is
now ten for eleven on shots to tie or take
the lead in the final two minutes of games.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
This.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Year unbelievable Clutch Player. Tyris aliburton it's been so much
fun seeing him healthy again because it just looks like
a different guy than the guy we saw at the
tail end of. Last Season Aaron nie smith, unbelievable game
a lot of quality defensive possessions On, tyjer rome who
was just in jail. All night we'll talk about that in.
A minute he had two massive threes in the. Third
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quarter cavs went, up twenty had a great, defensive possession
and he just hits like a bailout bomb out of
the left corner over a. Great contest hits a transition
three right before the end of the third quarter that
cut the lead down. To fourteen completely changed the feel of,
the game the relentless crashing of the. Offensive glass you
guys saw the dunk on the. Free throw he had
another One On donovan mitchell where he just kind of
did a swim move on him coming off of the,
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left wing got an easy little bank shot. Put back,
you know one of the things that teams will do
Against the pacers is they'll, be like, all right, You
Know nie smith is our best option to hide an
offensive player that we need to, give, rest right so
You Hide donovan mitchell there and hopes that he'll get
to take. It, easy well one of the ways you
can make sure he doesn't get to take it easy
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is relentlessly crashing the. Offensive glass He Wore donovan. Mitch
there he made it So that donovan could. Not Rest
ben mathern unbelievable second half in, this game straight up,
rim pressure getting downhill and ball Screens Against, jared allen
drawn fouls and finishing, off him finishing against him at,
the rim crashing the offensive. Glass himself running. In transition
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he had a couple of big transition leak. Out Buckets
ben mathurin was a huge scoring pop from in. This
Game miles turner spacing not just at the three, point
line but also hit a bunch of those little short
role kind of like it's like, mid range short range
spacing type, of shots you, Know how like we see
a bunch of different versions of this around. The league
like Guys like Hartenstein And jared allen do it with
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like little, short Floaters But miles turner can like easily
rise up into a little twelve thirteen foot jump shot
and knock it down at a. High clip he was
spacing the floor in. That way he was beating switches
out of ball screens in the. Fourth quarter twice in the,
fourth Quarter the cavs switched the, ball screen he Posted
Up max struce and got an. Easy bucket he Posted
Up isaac corro and got an easy bucket on this
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kind of like nifty little really short range ball screen
where he just sealed the coorra right underneath. The basket
and then his drop coverage Defense On. TY jerome, I
Like ti jerome is having a, nightmare series and we're
going to talk about it in, a second but like
a big part of That Is. Miles turner he is
putting on a drop coverage clinic in the sense that
he's mixing up at the level and a little bit
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further back types. Of coverages He's Catching ti jerome off.
Guard constantly one of the THINGS that I Think jared
allen has figured out Is That ti jerome prefers to take.
The floater and this is just this IS The nba
playoffs in, a, Nutshell Right Like ti drome was the
best floater shooter in the entire league, this season sixty
two percent.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
On him in the.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Regular season he was six for eleven in the first Round,
against miami but he's not the guy that's going to
go to the rim every. Single Time And miles turner,
has clearly through the coaching staff or through his, own
tape whatever it is that, He's watching he's just been
on top of that floater the, entire series just Stunting At,
ti jerome attacking, the pocket preventing him from comfortably rising into.
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That floater he's bumped him on his high drop possessions
and kept him from turning. The corner turner's just done
a great job Defensively On ty jerome and it's a
huge part of how They've held cleveland's offense under control
every time that they've needed to. Get, stops again they
got a bunch of stops when they. Needed to in
the fourth quarter of, this game Held the cavs twenty
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one points after getting lit up for the first. Three
quarters miles Was Fantastic ti. JEROME again i want To
credit turner in his drop, coverage defense but he's five
for sixteen on floaters now in. This series he's leaving
his three point shots way short off the front of
the rim every. Single time seems like he's got the
full blown. Yips now and that's really tough Because the
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caves desperately need Him With darius, garland out and he
just hasn't been. GOOD enough i feel Terrible for. Cavs
fans they had such an. AWESOME season i was actually
really starting to believe in in that first round series
with the level they were, reaching offensively and then you
lose three of your top six players before game two
of the.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Second round.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
INDIANA'S great i picked them to win multiple games in
this series even If the calves are at. FULL strength
I Assume darius garland and everyone would be ready. To
go But the calves just have no chance to win
this series as undermanned as. They are and the big
disappointment has been. Their defense some of it is. The
injuries they've defended Better with mobley on the floor in.
The series mobile is the defensive player of, the Year
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but indiana has looked entirely too comfortable through the first.
Two games they've logged an offensive rating over one hundred,
and twenty AND so i just Think the calves need
to be operating at full tilt in order to win
for the next, five games and it just seems extremely
unlikely that they're going to be able to pull. That,
off so in, Other Words tyre saliburton in many ways
put this series into serious danger of being over with
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that shot that he. Hit tonight, all right let's take
about ten minutes of questions before we head over. To
playback we're Gonna have jackson Come.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
On state let's.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Do it let's do some male bag questions.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
First up we're gonna start with some questions About the,
warrior series and we'll do something About.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
The.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
PACERS first i put a poll in the chat asking
the chat When should steph come back game, four earlier,
game five. Or later seventy three percent of the chat
said game, four earlier which. IS interesting, I mean i
think that's both optimistic as well as, you, know HOPEFUL
but i think it's it's gonna. BE tough i, would
say as someone who has also had a hamstring, injury
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before to come back in, six days.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Did you re?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
INJURY yours i just it's just IMPOSSIBLE that i was,
like YOU and i think like most people just didn't
give it the. Requisite rest so it's NOT like i
reinjured it, so bad but it just didn't. Heal quickly
it just didn't. Heal, quickly, yeah dude. It's brutal it's
it's such a.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Complicated PROCESS and i think THAT'S where i feel like it's,
overly optimistic because like you got to think. Big picture
there's no point In beating Minnesota if STEP's not going
to be good for the rest of.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The playoff.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's true so your your chance is One that steph's
hamstring tear is. Extremely MILD now i am somewhat encouraged
by the idea that it's going to, be mild simply
because he gave out a couple of he gave out.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
A bucket after he heard he gave out.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
A bucket he got that little floater that he put
it off the front of, the rim and he was
coming off of ball screens and pitching It to draymond
and still. Generating advantages and he wasn't, moving good but he,
Was moving and so that leaves me somewhat encouraged that
it was probably a somewhat. Mild strain so the question
Is can steph recover from a mild strain in. TWELVE
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days i do think. HE can i don't think he
can cover from a mild strain in, nine days which
is what you would need to bring him back in. Game,
five also it's like think. Of it think of it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
This way.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Let's Say golden state steels one of, those games the
Ones In, golden state so it's two to two going Back.
To minnesota that's a, really big, really important really physical
game that would be really tough to just Toss A
steph curry in that in that sort. Of situation whereas,
GAME six i feel like you could play step, shorter
bursts playing like thirty minutes and probably get that job
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done because of how much they can defend in front
of their home crowd and stuff. Like THAT so i
mean a lot of it's going to be by ear,
Right guys like If If golden state loses each of
the next, three games they probably Don't bring steph back
cause there's just no point in having him tear his
hamstring trying to come back from a three to one
deficit and be put in a situation where he's out
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for two months in, the summer or, god forbid he
needs some kind. Of SURGERY so i think it's going
to be a lot of like reading the room and
seeing how, It goes like if they what if they
go three, To one like what if they win both
Games In golden State, without steph they may decide to
literally see if they can win the series. Without him
so there's a lot of different angles this. Can go
and it's got to be day to Day how, steph feeling,
you know a lot of it's going to be kind
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of read and react on the information day.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
To day and that is as of Ten pm, pacific
time the latest reporting is that he is going to
GET an.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Mri Tomorrow steve carr.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Said they're playing on him being day, to day, quote
unquote and that they are not expecting Him for, game two,
which is, you know in line with everything.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
We're expecting it would be really dumb to play him.
In games there's.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
No, way yeah question about, you Know the warriors going
Forward Without steph curry in the games that they will be.
Without him, who first who would be your starting five
For the warriors in Game Withou Stuph.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Curry man, THAT'S interesting i think that so we Think
of buddy as the obvious Replacement for steph in the,
starting lineup even though he was already in the. Starting
lineup he slots into that two. Guard spot he's there
Next to PODS or i guess he's the point next.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
TO pods.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I actually thought That the warriors did a good job
of Contending with minnesota with their speed rather than with.
Their SIZE so i THINK that i would PROBABLY consider.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Consider kaminga and, HERE'S why i hear, me out just
pitch this hair brained idea house money, game, two right
what if you can find a way to get coming
into some kind of rhythm in game two and that
ends up being something that you can ride In game korean?
Game four, so like what if you started him and
gave him, more opportunity basically with the idea of being
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if we can build some sort of Rhythm with kaminga in,
this game it could be the difference between us being
able to win our games Back In golden state. Or
not there's other directions they. COULD go, I Mean moses
moody was a nightmare. OFFENSIVELY tonight i didn't hate their big.
Looks tonight that's another, Thing TOO like I Thought kevon
looney battled, Pretty well so like there's a version of
this where they could go. Big TOO but I think
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i would Go. With kminga what?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
ABOUT you i had not Even Considered jonathan kaminga Starting
because i'm so down on him even though he had
he had a pretty good, stretch, tonight actually but that
is an. INTERESTING one i do think that trying to
see if you can get him in a rhythm in
a game that is you're playing with house money is a.
GOOD idea i, also think as we've talked, about, many
many many, Many Times jonathan, kiminga operates it's way way
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better when he has physical, athletic mismatches and so trying
to align Him In mike connley minutes is not the.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Worst idea not that.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
YOU'RE like i spend your whole offensive philosophy Around, getting kumingo,
you know possessions On with conley, guarding him but it
is a place, where it's, you know definitely the most
obvious physical mismatch that he would have Against any.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Timbleves PLAYER so i think it's an interesting and.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Interesting idea he kind of figured out some off ball.
Utility tonight he hit it, that THREE which i was
actually a really important both the business back to.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Back Buggets the draymond's. Baseline, drive yeah the.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Baseline.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Drive, yeah well and that's the other. Thing too Draymond
and jimmy both will throw those baseline drives and they're
constantly looking for cutters flashing in front of, the rim
and like there's there's like some legitimate kind of like
spacing value with him as like a cutter in those
sorts of situations and he can find those Runways, Because
minnesota minnesota is just so bad and they're off there
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terrible and it and you're right like that that him
and the starting lineup could be a way to try
to tie Him To mike.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Conley's minutes, that's interesting another sort of.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Rotation question why do You think quentin Posts gudzero runta
and do you think he's also an option to get maybe,
not start but maybe startet get some sort of minutes
in the rest of The series with, THAT stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think it's part of just like The Momentum kevon
looney had after a Really nice, game seven also just
the Idea that minnesota presents a threat as an offensive
rebounding team as we saw in the In the.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Lakers series, BUT.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Like i think it's GONNA be i think it's gonna
be a lot Of Like steve kerr doing what he,
Did TONIGHT like i thought That Stan van gundy did
a really, nice job but kind of like Explaining How
steve kerr has this unique trust for the players down.
As roster we talked about this at the top of,
the show but there is something to be said about
the organizational approach to finding, smart players and the key
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there is they can count on these guys to come
in and do a job within the defensive game plan
like half. The battle then that's half the Issue. With
kaminga you want, to know you want to know Why
kaming it. Doesn't play it has way more to do
with the Fact that kerr just doesn't trust him to
execute the, game plan and he's kind of the odd
man out in the sense that so many of these
guys ARE Undrafted g league type of dudes That the
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warriors scouting department has identified AS high iq players that
they can fit into, their System whereas kaminga.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Is a textbook.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Lottery pick it's like he was picked, for upside, you
know not for him specifically fitting. The culture and so
that that's where you see those issues. Taking place but
moving forward in, the series Whether It's, quinton post Whether It's,
key santos Whether It's, pat spencer regardless of who, It
is kaminga, AS well i think falls into. This group
kerr is going to be doing a lot of like here's,
your chance show me what you got and quick hooks,
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with guys, AND like i think you're Gonna see pods play.
Big minutes You'll see draymond play. Big minutes You'll see
buddy play, Big minutes You'll play jimmy play, big MINUTES
and i think You'll see gary play. Big minutes but
the rest, of those you know that the rest of
that like kind of sixty seventy minutes that, ARE available
i think are going to be split kind of just
between who's playing well in that. GIVEN night I think
i think we could see an astronomical amount of. DIFFERENT
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lineups i think this could be the series where you
see the most different lineups played in.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
THE history, i mean they already did a lot, to
THAT and i think that instilling, that trust, you know
organizationally down Definitely from steve down is really. Really Beneficially
key santo's got run today before kuminga super, short shift
didn't get back in, the game and that's not a
not issue for the roster and the team chemistry as
a whole because of the sort of that culture that
they've that.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
They've instilled that's a.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Great point let's move take a couple questions about the,
other series and then we can head over. To playback,
first one why do you think people seem to Not
Like tyre's?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Halliburn's play, you.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Know he got the most overrated, player obviously when the
evidence seems to show that he is someone who is happening,
playoff success can lead a team to the, Conference finals
he's good in, the clutch. Impacts winning what is sort
of the issue around the Perception Of.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Tyre's, HALIBURTON so, I uh i think that most basketball
junkies out There Like tyrese halliburton from what at least
FROM what i can tell and from, my perspective in
the sense that they can see his value in what
he does. REALLY well i THINK among nba players he's
just a. Shit TALKER like i don't think it's any
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more complicated. Than that like he, is good and he kicks,
your ass and he talks a bunch, of SHIT and
i think it just rubs everybody the. Wrong WAY and i,
THINK also i do think that there's such a THING
as i think that there are a good CHUNK of
nba players who see the game through the lens of what.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
They DO.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
And i, THINK this i think you see a lot
of manifestations of this around, the league where like stars
will like certain types of role players but dislike other
types of players because they kind of like fit their own, basketball,
Worldview right like like how many times have we seen
you remember with Like ragon rondo On the lakers, for
ins this is a. Great example, we're like we're watching
from the sidelines and, we're like why the Hell is
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rayjon getting all these Minutes Over. Alex cruso but, it's
like so the guys in that, locker room They're Like
ray jehan's. A genius, you know we're gonna like, He's
gonna he's gonna. Guy this he's our point Guard due
lebron was always obsessed with backup playmaking in that phase of,
his career if you. Remember, correctly, so like it just
is one of those THINGS where i think there are
a lot of players in the league that struggle To
see tyresee's value because he's such a different kind of player.
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Than EVERYBODY, Like i by, the way there's some of This.
With jokic there's some of This, With JOKIC LIKE i
i feel like there are a lot. OF players i
think now everyone's kind Of accepted jokic as the obvious
ass kicker that, He is but there was like a
like in that twenty, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four
there were a lot of years there where it seemed
like some of the players around the league didn't quite
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have the appreciation For what, jokic did just because he
was So. Different tyresee you combine it with him just
being a just, a HAWKER and i think it just
rubs everybody the wrong way among, his PEERS and i
think that's why he gets voted.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Like, THAT yeah i also think there's not that anyone
would be able to admit this or even be conscious
of don't necessarily there's sort of a factor with him And,
with jokic they're Just slightly they're just a little. Bit
dorky they're not The Classic anthony edwards bulldog pro athlete.
Personality TYPE and i think to, your point it just
even if it's not rubbing people the, wrong way it's
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that they're it's not what they're sort of, accustomed to
what they these players envision the best versions of themselves
are the best versions OF an nba basketball player as an.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Idea would look and SOUND like i think a.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Little bit, you're right that's such a great point because
it's like it extends to everything stylistically, as well like
his nineteen, points TONIGHT and i thought he was excellent.
Like that it's not the kind of thing that's going
to show up in thirty thirty five. Point games it's
not going to show up with him dunking on. Your
head although he's a better ATHLETE than i think he gets.
Credit for he's got kind of a funky set shot
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in terms of his, jun shot although he gets more
he gets more lyft than you'd think on some of
his movement off the. Dribble shots But like tyrese is
just a very unorthodox player and in almost every way
on and off. The COURT and i think that's a
big part, of it.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Hundred percent, all right let's do one more. Question here
we'll go over.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
To playback do you Think this pacers team is better than,
last year just, you know largely the. Same roster do
you Think the pacers team? Is better and, if so
do you think they Can beat boston?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Next round if it Would.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
BE boston i think they are substantially better than that,
last YEAR and i think that they have a legitimate
chance To beat boston in a way that they didn't.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Last year.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
The first piece of It Is. Tyres haliburton tyres is
just playing at a substantially higher level than he did.
Last year we talked about This With steph curry in
the in the earlier segments of. The show but playoff
series present. Unsolvable problems it's kind of like the beating, Switches,
thing like at a, certain point you got to have
a guy that can go one on one against a
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good defender and create a great shot and over and,
over again whether it was Him Cooking jared Allen in
game One, in switches or whether it's Him cooking Giannis
in game Six or game five Of the. Bucks, series
like he just has an upside as a switch beater
in this playoff run that he did not have. LAST
year i think that's the, big difference and that is the.
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Ceiling Razor when indiana got presented with the unsolvable problem
That was boston tightening the screws at the end of games,
last year he wasn't able to. Overcome that but, THIS
year i think he's in a better position to, do
so then there's just some kind of incremental improvement down.
The Roster BEN mathurin i think has, been great and
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he's his athleticism has been a big upside in this
like super physical. PLAYOFF environment i thought he was a
huge part of their second half. Comeback Tonight Aaron ne
smith has just gotten like ten percent better, at everything
and that has made a. Big difference like he's a
more of a, knockdown shooter he's better. Attacking closeouts there
we can go down, the roster BUT like, i mean
there's just so many Guys Like. Miles turner like there's
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been so much talk about whether or Not the pacers
would re Up With, miles turner whether or not he'd
be a. Free agent, to me he's such a core
part of what Makes the pacers great on both ends of.
THE floor i don't see how they can move On From.
Miles TURNER like i understand you might have to make
a really tough, decision financially and that may be, the
case but like if you can somehow, retain him you
got to. Retain him he's just. So important but as
(47:09):
a team they're just kind of incrementally better down the
roster And then tyree's has a, superstar upside and that
to me is all it takes to make them a
legitimate championship threat in a way that they weren't in.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
Years, PAST yeah i also think that we probably underestimated
as a collective be, you know it's, relevant now especially With.
Top curry the hamstring Injury That tyres haliburton had.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Last season he.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
He, you know by the time the playoffs, came back
it felt like he was more or less back to pre,
injury yourself but it's probably fair to say he was
at eighty, five percent maybe, ninety eight, eighty percent maybe
something in that sort, of range and that's going to
make it specifically tough to. BEAT switches I would i
would argue it's it's probably evidence as the fact that
he's able to, you know Blow by giannis in the
(47:51):
clutch moment and get major separation thing for a game.
Winner tonight he looks very healthy and very, very good
and that's, you know important to remember as we're thinking
About up curry's. Come Back tyre's halliburton took. Six months
not that, you know, It's different every situation, is different.
Person's different he took functionally six months to get back
to one.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Hundred, percent yeah his was a more severe, handstring injury,
but yeah the point, still stands, which is like it
there's also a, Trust, element, LIKE dude i had a
foot Injury in juco where for an, entire semester all
of non, CONFERENCE play i was a shell of MYSELF
because i didn't trust my ability to plant, that foot,
and like and it just it causes you to. Play
(48:29):
passively it causes you to kind of hold like fifteen
percent of your intensity. And RESERVE and i think that
there's an important element, to, where Like if steph doesn't
feel comfortable really pushing off, that leg it's. A problem
and there's no point In having steph go out there
if he's going to be a shell of himself and
not be nearly as impactful as he needs. To be
but hopefully we'll get some better news ABOUT the. Mri
(48:52):
tomorrow that's all we have for tonight, on, YouTube guys
we're headed over. To playback we'll see you guys there
just a. Few minutes remember link is in the, description
here going to be, taking callers taking, more questions getting into.
Some film we'll see, you guys over there in just a.
Few minutes, what's. Up guys, AS always i appreciate you
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