Hoops Tonight - LIVE: Timberwolves Eliminate Warriors + Celtics Extend Series vs. Knicks

Jason reacts live after the Minnesota Timberwolves eliminate the Golden State Warriors after Anthony Edwards outplays Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, and Jonathan Kuminga. Then he breaks down how Jaylen Brown and the Boston Celtics extended the series against Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks. 

 

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All right, welcome to Hoops tonight. You're at the volume
heavy Wednesday. Everybody. Oh, all of you guys are having
a great week. Got a jam pack show for you
guys tonight. The Minnesota Timberwolves ended the Golden State Warrior season.
We're going to talk mostly about the future for both teams.
Are going to talk about what it looks like from
Minnesota looking forward in a couple of their matchups, and
then we'll talk a little bit about Golden State. I
want to talk about Jimmy Butler, who struggled to score

(02:18):
the ball when his team needed to in this series,
and talk a little bit about what they're looking for
down the line in terms of free agency and in
the trademarket this summer. After that, we have our course
correction segment with Microsoft. We're gonna be talking a little
bit about Jason Tatum. And then at the tail end
of the show, the Boston Celtics, in a must win
game at home, deliver a championship level punch against the

(02:42):
New York Knicks to extend that series to a Game six.
We're going to talk about some of the specific things
they did really well, and then we're also going to
talk about the reality of what Game six is, which
is going to be a knockdown, drag out fight and
should be a very entertaining basketball game to end our
second round. You guys know the Joe before we get started,
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(03:24):
for an after show where we take callers and do
that sort of thing, but we're taking tonight off on
that front. But we will be back on playback for
an after show tomorrow night after the final buzzer of
Game six between the Thunder and the Nuggets. So make
sure you go to playback dot tv slash Hoops tonight
to get set up there so you can come hang
out in the playback. I've been having a ton of

(03:46):
fun with those Jackson's been hanging out to and we've
been taking questions and having callers and watching film and
it's informal and we talk shit, we have fun, we
have fans come up and vent, and it just I've
really enjoyed it as kind of a change of pace
in this postseason. So make sure you guys get set
up on playback so he can return to the after
show tomorrow night after thunder Nuggets. All right, let's talk

(04:09):
some basketball. So not going to focus too much on
tonight's game. We've talked that specific matchup to death over
the last week and I'd rather just focus moving forward.
I mean, the Warriors just didn't have the horses to
compete in this series without Steph Curry. I do think
this series worked wonders for Minnesota's ball movement on offense.
Tonight they locked thirty six assists on forty nine made baskets,

(04:33):
and the ball was just moving around and it's happening everywhere.
Anthony Edwards as well, making really impressive reads in the
middle of the floor. He's the gap in his penetration
speed in the early part of the series, and how
rushed he was going downhill compared to how he was
just slowing down right in that middle portion of the
paint towards the tail end of this series, and just

(04:55):
letting the defense react to him and taking the easy
reads that were available hit to him. There. I thought
the drop off pass he had to Jada McDaniels and
the dunk out of the dunker spot was a classic
example of that, just waiting for the defense to react
rather than just flying like a bull in a china
shop towards the basket. And those ball movement sequences are

(05:15):
going to be specifically relevant for a relevant excuse me,
for a potential series against Oklahoma City or Denver. So
looking forward for Minnesota, they obviously match up really well
against Denver. They have won eight of their last eleven
matchups with them, dating back to the beginning of the
Western Conference semi finals last year. They have the size

(05:37):
and physicality to match up with Denver at every position.
Denver is a group that is big at a lot
of positions, Like Jamal Murray's a big, strong guard, so
is Christian Brown. Michael Porter Junior is having a rough
playoff run, but he's big and tall, you know. Aaron
Gordon Russell Westbrook brings athleticism, Peyton Watson brings athleticism. Minnesota
can match that, and they've shown the ability to bother
both Jokic and Murray, and we also saw them just

(06:01):
like absolutely dominate Michael Porter junior, and that dude is
already running on fumes and he had a rough series
against Minnesota last year, so that had something to keep
an eye on. But Denver's success in that series came
on the defensive side of the ball when they made
their runs. When Denver won Game three, four, and five.
In those three games, they held Minnesota to a one

(06:22):
ZHO six offensive rating. They really worked on bringing Jokic
further out to the level and just making it so
that Ant couldn't turn the corner and ball screens get momentum. Ironically,
Christian Brown was the best defender that Denver had for
Ant in that series. And obviously, you know KCP was
just too small for Aunt. Kcp's not in the picture anymore,

(06:43):
so you'll see a lot of Christian Brown on it.
They tested Minnesota's ability to pass through their defense, and
so that growth that we've seen in this postseason run
I think will be imperative in that matchup. That said,
I believe Oklahoma City is going to win. I just
wanted to talk through the Denver piece because I think
that's a legitimate possible outcome. I'd go I'm leaning like
seventy five to twenty five towards Oklahoma City at this

(07:05):
point in the series, and Oklahoma City will present some
similar issues to Minnesota that we saw. Golden State present
a steady diet of quality defenders at every position group,
a lot of loading up on the strong side and
rotating with speed to account for that, you know, kind
of over emphasis on the strong side of the floor.
And they have real rim protection, and that's the difference.

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Raymond Green is a good rim protector, but mostly just
with his IQ and his physicality, this is a team
that's going to present real size and length at the
rim in a way that if we look back last year,
the one bad playoff series that Ain't had was against Dallas,
a team that could match his athleticism on the perimeter
and the team that could provide real length at the basket. Now,

(07:48):
one of the things that we saw specifically with Dallas,
if you guys remember correctly, he was Derek Jones junior,
and Derek Jones has a great deal of length on
the ball, and he was able to actually bother ants
like pull up jump shooting in a way that I think,
you know, shorter defenders like door to case on Wallace
might struggle a little bit. And that's why I think
it'll be interesting to see if we get to a

(08:09):
point in the series where they go with more of
like a J. Dub on Ant just to try to
match his length a little bit more. But it's gonna
be a real challenge, and the challenge will be for
Ant to not repeatedly test Hartenstein and Chad at the rim,
but rather to make the good reads when he's there,
and so those slow down drives that we saw are
gonna be key. I think the mid range could play

(08:30):
a key role in this series for both Anthony Edwards
and Julius Randall to get short range, high percentage shots
before getting all the way to the rim, because whenever
Rudy Gobert is on the floor, you're gonna see chat
Holmer and sitting his ass right underneath the basket protecting
the rim there with his length. And I do think
that both Randall and Edwards can get some quality mid

(08:52):
range looks over Oklahoma City's smaller guards. But I'm just
super excited for that potential series. I mean, two elite
defenses that are very different. Obviously, Minnesota is bigger, Oklahoma
City is faster. Two elite on ball guards and Shae
and Ant. That what an incredible duel that could end
up being. And I would argue in that matchup, like
if Ant or Shay badly outplayed the other in terms

(09:15):
of just over the top shot making and probing in
against these defenses, I think that could swing the winner.
I think that's a I think that's a series where
the gap between Ant and Shay could be the difference
if both guys played it more or less the same level.
I think it probably tilts towards Oklahoma City. But if
Ant can outplay Shay, that's a series that they can
absolutely win. There's interesting co stars JDub and Chet. Obviously,

(09:35):
Chet you know a skinny, defensive minded rim protector that's
got some ability offensively. J dub is you know another
on ball guard. But then from Minnesota, it's these big forwards, right,
It's Julius Randall, it's nasrit guys that have we've seen
show the ability to score against size mismatches, and they're
gonna have plenty of size mismatches that they could attack.

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And I just think this could be an all Timer
series a great showcase for the next generation of NBA
talent to see all of these guys on the same floor.
You know, if you had to tell me coming into
this postseason run, like Okay Lebron and Steph and KD
and Kawhi and Jimmy Butler and all of like the

(10:17):
establishment stars that we've seen over the last several years,
even like Tatum for instance, and all of these guys,
if you were to tell me Giannis as well, if
you were to tell me those guys weren't going to
be in the postseason when we get to the final
two rounds. If I at least got to see something
like this, to see Shay versus, to see Shay versus Ant,
I think that's a really fun matchup. And even extending

(10:39):
to the potential Knicks Pacers matchup, which we'll talk about
a minix that's not set in stone. I think it's
a good showcase for the league and what the next
era could look like. But we will get further into
that matchup once we have more concrete information about who's
going to play. Which will you know, we could have
an answer tomorrow night. We could be in a situation
where we don't know until games set, but when we know,

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we will do a full series preview that breaks that
series down from the perspective of both teams on both
ends of the floor. On the Golden State front, I
was generally impressed with the way they battled in this
series without Steph, Like they routinely kept things close until
it was you know, in that mid second half stretch
where Minnesota consistently pulled away. But like, if you guys

(11:23):
think of it, they just if you look at Minnesota's
defensive firepower, I mean, this was a team that strangled
the life out of Luka Doncic Laighton games. This is
a team that strangled the life out of Lebron James
Lighton games. This was a team that completely and utterly
shut down Austin Reeves. And yeah, obviously they didn't have
the ball and player movement that Golden State had, but

(11:43):
the Warriors just didn't have the offensive firepower to keep up.
And I do want to take a minute to talk
about Jimmy Butler scoring. I don't want to hyper focus
on it because I think there's some realities in terms
of the fit alongside Steph Curry that accentuates more of
his versatility. But Jimmy Butler in his career has thirty
eight games in the postseason where he scored at least
twenty five points. And under the circumstances with the way

(12:07):
that this series was going, they specifically needed scoring from him.
That was like the thing he could do to lift
the floor of this team and keep them in these games.
And he had one game in the entire series where
he scored more than twenty points one time, and that
just wasn't enough. And I thought he failed to really

(12:29):
emphasize that part of his game, to push that part
of his game when his team needed him to. And
you know, it could have been the difference between this
series ending in five, where Steph potentially getting an opportunity
to return in game six. You needed to win one game,
and like I just the shot the shot totals, I mean,
when he takes twenty shots total in the last two

(12:51):
games like that, there's a certain amount of he needed
to just empty the clip, so to speak, because that's
what the matchup called for. It's like otherwise you're asking
Brandon Pajemski and Buddy Healed and Jonathan Kaminga carry the
load offensively and there's obviously going to be a great
deal of up and down that comes with those types
of role players. All of that said, I do think

(13:12):
that Jimmy Butler trade was a success. Overall. I think
they would have won this series or at least given
themselves a very good chance to win this series if
Steph Curry had played. In that case, they would have
made it to the Western Conference Finals. Now, I think
the Thunder would have crushed the Warriors. They were Houston,
but because they had the speed guards to match up
with Steph. But they also had real rim protection and

(13:35):
they had the offensive firepower that Houston didn't have. But
I think they would have won this series, and I
think they would have been a conference finalist, which I
think in the first season, which Jimmy Butler would have
been a resounding success. But even getting to the second round,
I think we saw the obvious way that the fit works.
We saw how Jimmy Butler just kind of like connectively
as a playmaker in the middle of the floor, just

(13:57):
accentuated and greased the wheels for this offense. They reached
the level defensively with him as a defensive playmaker, not
the on ball talent that Aaron Andrew Wiggins was but
the work he did as just a defensive playmaker for
this team roaming around the floor, you know, the fit
just makes a ton of sense, and I do think
this team is worth investing in next year. The obvious

(14:18):
need is guys who can score the ball in the
flow of their offense, which means the ability to hit
a jump shot running off of a screen, the ability
to attack downhill when someone's chasing you over that screen
and apply real ball pressure, the ability to quickly process
and make decisions when you're in those screening situations, while

(14:38):
also being a player that can defend at a high level.
The obvious ceiling for that type of player is like
a Cam Johnson. We've talked about him a lot over
the course of the last couple of weeks. I think
he's the perfect fit as like basically Jackson referred to
him as basically like a version of Klay Thompson, And
in that sense, it's a kind of like a proof

(14:59):
of concept in that, you know, we know what that
looks like because we've seen that dynamic counter spacing presence
with Steph and how that works. Right. Another discounted guy
look at for this type of role would be Malik Beasley.
He's a guy that would be a FRA agent this
summer and you could potentially get him on like a
mid level exception or something like that. But if the

(15:19):
Warriors make the slight tweaks that they need to make
this summer, and if they can get some year to
year improvement from younger players, guys like like Randon Pajamski.
You couldn't make shots in this post You made him tonight,
but you couldn't make shots in this postseason run like
your team needs you to make shots. So this summer
he needs to work on specifically conditioning so that he
can hit shots when the physicality and intensity picks up.

(15:40):
We talked about it last night on playback, but there
was an extended stretch to end the season, basically the
last fourth of the season where he was a high
forties percentage three point shooter on like seven attempts per day. Like,
we know he can make shots, it's about getting it
to translate to the postseason environment when the physicality and
the intensity raises. There's just another level he can get

(16:00):
to with his conditioning. Moses Moody's game completely decomposed in
this postseason run. Hit the threes tonight, but he's going
to have to be better next year. So if those
guys can make their marginal improvements, if Steph just identifying
that he has a real chance next year and approaching
the off season in a way where he can capitalize
on that, you know, Jimmy Butler coming into next season

(16:22):
with a game that is you know, tweaked so to speak,
in terms of his off season regimen to fit this
particular system and getting that type of role player upgrade
at a couple of position groups, they absolutely have a
real chance to make a run at the title next year.
All right, let's move on and talk some Celtics. First
of all, let's talk Tatum in our course correction segment.

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(17:23):
the best season of Jason Tatum's career. Wasn't anything that
showed up in some sort of dramatic way statistically. I mean,
he's averaged in the previous four seasons before this year
twenty eight eight to five on fifty nine percent through shooting,
and played in on average, over seventy games every year.
So this guy has been as reliable as statistical performer

(17:44):
as we've had in the league in recent history. But
he just showed insane growth as a half court processor.
He's never averaged over five assists in a season in
his career, and he averaged over six assists this year.
A simple stat to demonstrate this is he had seven
games this year with at least ten assists. He had
seven games in the entirety of his career in the

(18:07):
regular season before this year or he logged at least
ten assists, But he also just showed an understanding of
advantage creation, which is obviously very important for the Celtics team,
but it extends beyond assist totals. Constantly trusting basic reads
like kick ahead passes, swing passes when guys were sinking
off the strong side corner or sinking into nail help,

(18:28):
simple over the top passes to guys slipping out of
screening action when he was the ball handler. These are
the kinds of things I've talked about with the Pacers.
Like before, we just discount these as simple fundamental basketball things.
They are literally driving success in the modern MBA because
these guys are all so much better scoring with an
advantage than they are without an advantage, and the guy
who's on the ball has that job. We're going to

(18:49):
talk about it in more detailed context here with Jalen
Brown here in a minute. But he was the kickstarter
of everything the Celtics did on offense. The Celtics offense
scored one hundred and twenty two points per one hundred
possessions when he was on the floor this year. Then
he starts this playoff run with an incredibly dominant performance
against the Orlando Magic, who had an elite defense there

(19:10):
was second best defense in the league this year. In
the final three games of that series, he averaged thirty six,
ten and six. But then suddenly, out of nowhere, his
game completely fails him. In the first two games of
the Knick series, can't make a jump shot to save
his life, goes just twelve for forty two from the field,
brutally cold down the stretch, and a couple of bad

(19:30):
losses to the Knicks. But then it all came together
in one of the best playoff games of Tatum's career.
In Game four Madison Square Garden, he had forty two
points on sixteen for twenty eight shooting. The Knicks were
switching everything and forcing the Celtics to attack matchups. No
other Celtic had any sort of legitimate rhythm in the
second half of that game. He had no choice but

(19:50):
to grab the reins, and he just hit incredible shot
after incredible shot from every spot on the floor, from
every type of footwork on the ball, attack, picking off
the catch, getting all the way to the rim for
and ones. Just truly remarkable shot making in a game
where his team absolutely needed him to be that guy

(20:10):
forty two points on sixteen for twenty eight, shooting seven
for sixteen from three. He was the only reason they
had any chance to win that game. And then his
achilles goes out, and I just feel terrible for him
because I can only imagine what that must have been like,
the relief of seeing all those shots go in after
the frustration of what happened in Game one and Game two,

(20:31):
and I must have just felt like all of that
hard work paying off in such a real way, and
then something that's completely and entirely out of his control
comes in and ruins everything. I just feel terrible for Tatum,
and I wanted to use tonight's segment. It's just an
opportunity to talk about how much I respect Jason Tatum
as a competitor and as one of the game's greats.
I fully expect him to return from this injury at

(20:53):
an all NBA level, and I'm very excited to watch
him play basketball again when he returns. That's it for
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slash Challengers to learn more. All right, let's talk a
little bit about Celtics Nicks tonight. I want to start
with Jalen Blown Jalen Brown's floor game. We talked about
this a little bit in the Tatum segment, But if
you're going to be the primary shot creator for a
basketball team for an entire game, it's important to understand
that you're in charge of managing the flow of the game.

(21:37):
We talked about this a lot in the don of
Inmagell game. I think it was Game one if I
remember correctly, but where you know, like he puts up
a monster scoring night, but the Kavs just don't have
any flow in their offense. The ball's not popping around,
they're not generating a ton of catch and shoot threes.
Their shooters are all uncomfortable. You need to understand that
in that job, like you need to take advantage of

(21:59):
easy because your job is to create half of your
team's shots, Like you might have to create forty to
fifty shots in that game. Jalen Brown took advantage of
the easy opportunities tonight. His transition reads good. God, the
Knicks were awful in their transition defense. They lost Derek
White probably a half dozen times for wide open threes

(22:21):
in transition. But Jalen was the guy who was probing
up the floor in those transition situations and making those reads,
identifying where the Knicks were making mistakes in screening action.
They ran a ton of ghost screens tonight where he's
on ball and Derek White screening and slipping out, or
Peyton Pritcher's screening and slipping out, or Sam Houser screening
and slipping out, and he just made those simple reads
there interior passing to Cornette out of the post. I

(22:45):
just thought Jalen played a great floor game and managed
his shot selection really well, combined with some legit three
levels scoring, hitting mid range shots, hitting threes getting into
the basket. There was a concerted team effort that sixtends
beyond Jalen Brown. But they were really trying to bully
Jalen Brunson tonight. So the first time in this series
I thought Jalen Brunson like really struggled. He was the

(23:06):
guy losing shooters in transition. Often he was not holding
his ground on switches the way he did earlier in
the series, and the Celtics were just going right through
his chest all the way to the front of the rim.
But Jalen Brown set the tone with that early and
often in this game. Twenty six points, eight rebounds, and
twelve assists. Tip of the cap to Jalen Brown kind
of a teaser for what his role will be next season,

(23:28):
which is to be that guy for this team. The
Celtics did play extremely well across the board offensively, in
a way that they have struggled to reach consistently in
this series, and I thought this was an interesting example
of the reality of rhythm in basketball. So Boston is
one hundred and twenty seven points tonight. It's the first

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time all series they'd scored over one hundred and twenty
five points. Not to be clear, Jason Tatum is the
best player on this team and they have no championship
seiling without him. Not trying to in any way denigrate
Jason Tatum, However, this team does have a lot of
high level basketball players, and one of the things that
happens in those situations is there's a tendency for guys

(24:10):
to feel like they don't want to tug on the rope,
right like if you're Drew Holliday, if you're Derek White,
even Jalen Brown to a certain extent, like Tatum's the guy,
you gotta float through him. You don't want to shirt
yourself too much. And sometimes it can be tough to
establish rhythm. And so for a game like this, again,
if you went for a whole postseason run and teams

(24:31):
could really scout Jalen Brown and scout the way you
like to attack, you'd be begging for Jason Tatum back,
I promise you. But in a one game sample like this,
it just kind of simplified the pecking order. Jalen Brown,
Derek White, Peyton Pritchard, those are the three guys that
were controlling the majority of the action. They played through
them consistently, and as a result, there was just kind

(24:52):
of like a rhythm and a flow that they missed
in other points of the series. And I thought, specifically
in this one game sample it fitted Boston Luke Cornett
I was talking with with Jackson and Shane before we
got started it. I just thought he did a much
better job of Porzingis's job. Porzingis's job in the series

(25:14):
has been to roam off of josh Hart protect the
rim while at the same time accounting for josh Hart
when he's you know, driving off of those kickouts from
the top of the key, or crashing the offensive glass
or or you know, even just shooting threes in those
catch and shoot situations. And Cornett just brought a level

(25:35):
of activity that they haven't had really in this series.
From that spot. He was you know, he had six
blocks just in the second half. Some of them were
roaming off of josh Hart on other guys looking to shoot.
Some of it was josh Hart catching at the top
of the key and pumping and then trying to drive
on Cornett and then trying to finish through Cornett getting

(25:55):
blocked there. Oh, he's going to take a three out
of the left corner. Cornette runs out out there and
blocks him there. He kept him off the offensive classic
josh Hart had just one offensive rebound in the whole game,
and it was because Cornett swatted his shit right back
into his hands and it got logged as an offensive rebound.
So he just like completely shut down in the second half,

(26:17):
in particular, everything as that roam er off of Josh Hart.
You know, Josh hit some threes tonight and still had
some success, but Cornette did a ton of damage in
his minutes roaming off of Josh Hart and just kind
of anchoring things defensively for the Celtics. Six blocks in
the second half is incredible stuff. Like I like, I
didn't do any you know, digging into NBA history, but

(26:40):
I would imagine it's been a very long time since
an NBA basketball player locked six blocks in a single
half in the NBA postseason. Shout out to the Celtics. Man,
these guys have their flaws, but they're a bunch of winners,
and they beat the shit out of the Knicks tonight
and they showed that they're not going to go down
without a fight. And on that note, this series is
not over. I believe the Knicks will win on Friday,

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but that will not be an easy game. And if
they lose that game, they're staring down the barrel of
a Game seven in Boston where Boston will be will
be favored. I thought the Knicks played a horrible half
in that second half, just straight up not good enough.
In so many facets of the game. They better be
ready for a war on Friday, because it's gonna be
a war and if they don't survive that one, they

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could be sent out of here. And I mean already
they need to be polished up in a way to
prepare for what's a very dangerous Indiana Pacers team that's
going to be coming their way should they get out
of this series. All right, guys, that's all I have
for tonight. As always a sincerely appreciate you guys for
supporting me and supporting the show. Again, no playback tonight,
but we will be back on playback tomorrow night after

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the live show that we have. Again, keep an eye
on the on the feed. I think I am going
to do a film session tomorrow Jackson. I think we're
going to do something on Cornett's defense in the second
half because I thought it was just so impressive and
I just want to show some video examples of the
stuff that we were talking about. So keep an eye
on the feed tomorrow morning for a film session on
the Celtics, and then live tomorrow night after the final

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buzzer of Denver versus Minnesota. One kind of bit of
fun news tonight was the last night that we're covering
two games in a single night, so just one game
every night from this point forward will be really zeroing
in on those games and getting deeper into the weeds
on them. But about halfway through this playoff run, guys,
I appreciate you guys for rocking with us and rocking

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with the show. I will see you guys tomorrow morning.
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