April 18, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin discusses Aaron Rodgers still contemplating retirement and why the poorly run Jets were such a bad fit for the 4-time MVP
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All right, So I want to start with this because
at the end of our show yesterday we touched on it.
So yesterday Aaron Rodgers on ESPN, Pat McAfee show. They
go for like a twenty thirty minute interview. They've been
doing this for a couple of years now, and I
had two big takeaways on it because it was the
end of the Jets relationship. My two big takeaways are,
Number One, the Jets are second class operation. Aaron Rodgers
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his own dime, flies cross country on his you know,
citation or jet Stream or a gulf Stream, probably plays
about fifty thousand dollars there in back, maybe sixty, and
they give him five minutes. They could have told him
they didn't want him on the phone. I don't care
how much Aaron makes I don't care what you think
about Aaron. You can't treat employees that way. That's not
how you treat people. Rams aren't treating people that way.
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Come on now, Niners aren't treating people that way. Dodgers
aren't treating people that way. Baltimore's not treating people like that.
That's a second class move. And by the way, we
have report cards to back that up. Remember when the
players in the NFL had player polls NFLPA player polls,
Jets ranked twenty ninth.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Owner got an f by the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Jets players and the f They also have the longest
playoff drought in North American sports, longer than the Washington Wizards.
It's not a well run organization at all. They fired
Joe Douglas, who I thought was really good. They fired
Robert Sala in week five when the next game he
was going to be if they won in first place.
And they treat Aaron Rodgers like a door to door salesman.
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Give me a break. And when Woody Allen, by the way,
fired Robert Sala, Woody Johnson sorry. When Woody Johnson fired
Robert Sala, he said, his quote was, this is one
of the most talented teams that's ever been assembled by
the New York Jets. Six weeks later, he fired the
GM that assembled the roster. You just said it was
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the best Jets roster. The guy who assembled that you fired.
So just this organization's not well. Joe Douglas was bitter,
should be Robert slip probably a little bitter, should be.
Aaron sounded a little bitter, should be. My second takeaway
on the Aaron Rodgers discussion yesterday, I'm gonna read you
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his several of his quotes from the interview. And remember
he's a franchise quarterback, right most important position in American sports.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Retirement could still be a possibility, but right now, my
focus is on my personal life. He later said, I
got a lot of things that are taking my attention
away from football. That's where I've been focusing most of
my attention on. He also said, you know, I'm trying
to be open to anything and not specifically attached to anything.
He also said, this entire time, I haven't felt like
I've owed anybody any sort of decision at any point.
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Bro all in or all out. It's like being a
surgeon at a hospital. They need to know if you're
available when they call tomorrow for a seven hour surgery
to an eleven year old girl to save her life. Man,
it's not that serious, but it's serious. People depend on
the top surgeon or the pilot or the CEO, or
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the coach or the quarterback. They're depending on you. So
you can't be like indifferent in casual in California cool.
At one point, he talked about people in his inner
circle are struggling, and I can have sympathy for that,
But the NFL bench is not a therapy couch.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Nobody cares. That's your problem. Nobody cares about your inner circle.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Tom Brady was going through personal stuff, we didn't hear
about it. Tom was about football the minute Tom was
in the facility. It's all football all the time, and
he didn't talk about it. He was never distracting. Same
with Peyton Manning didn't have a perfect life. So in closing,
here's why I never bought into the New York Jets.
And I always saw this relationship as more Carmen Electra
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and Dennis Rodman than Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Why say it out loud? You know, it's one of
my rules in life.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Whenever you're not sure if something's gonna work, just say
it out loud. Second class football operation and a quarterback
that's old past his prime and you know, mostly committed.
Does that sound like the Ravens. Does that sound like
the Rams or the Lions or the Eagles or the Chiefs. No,
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And that's why you're the Jets. I think the way
they treated him is bush league. You don't have to
and I went on the internet yesterday people, well, Aaron
makes a lot of money. You either treat people right
in life or you don't, even if they're leaving the company.
You don't treat him like that. And I talked to
a GM in the league yesterday. Aaron Glenn was very
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rogue and weird how he treated Aaron. And a general
manager told me yesterday he said, coaches sometimes you get lucky,
and they're not only CEOs, but they're like scheme wizards,
like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan. But it's really a
CEO job. You're dealing with personalities. You got to know
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what the budgets are. You're dealing with egos. You're managing coaches,
you're managing units, players, the media. It's a CEO job.
Aaron Glenn right now is not a CEO. He doesn't
know what he's doing because that's not how you treat people.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's just not how.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
You do it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And Aaron, your enter, you're out bro indifferent. California cool
is not a vibe. It doesn't work. So the whole
thing was like, I mean, this is Rodman, Carmen Electra
kind of attractive briefly, but this is not gonna work. Okay,
So Steph Curry and the Warriors, I'm picking. The Rockets
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are favored the Warriors and Steph are favored to beat
Houston and that series starts Sunday, and so let's say
they win because they're favored and most people like the
fact they have the best player, Steph Curry, the best coach,
Steve Kerr, and they've got tons of playoff experience. That's
why they're favored. I think there's reasons they won't win it,
but they could. But it's really interesting. As great as
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my Jordan was, he only won titles with Pippin, and
as great as Kobe was, he won with Shaq, anyone
with Gasol Perennial All Stars. So if the Warriors win
this series, that means they're one series away from another
Western Conference final. And think about this. Clay has won
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with Steph, has won with Clay as his best teammate,
with Kevin Durant as his best teammate in the finals,
with Andrew Wiggins being a key cog, and now with
Jimmy Butler. Fourth iteration. We were joking this morning. Steph
Curry is like the black T shirt of a wardrobe.
It works with everything. You can put a sports coat
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over it, you can wear it with jeans, you can
wear it working out, or you can wear it with shorts.
Steph works with everything, and I think there's two things
that are a key to Steph Curry, and that's why
they're favored. They're favored in the series because of Steph Curry.
Because when a superstar either works really hard on defense
or without the ball, it sends a message. And nobody
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works harder without the ball in the NBA in my
lifetime than Steph Curry. And that message is one that
a lot of other stars, like a mellow I don't
play defense, don't really work too hard unless the ball's
in your hands. That sends a message too. Because they
really I don't think Golden State should win this series.
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I think the only reason their favorite is one player.
First of all, they are a two man offense, and
both guys are past their prime Butler and Steph. Number two,
rebounding and size matter in the playoffs because extra possessions
matter when people are really playing intentional basketball. Houston's going
to own the glass. Number three eight, the Rockets have
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home court advantage that's substantial. And Number four is the
Warriors have something right now that's actually a disaster, is
that they've got this group, but what they really need
is size in length, and they thought they were going
to get that from Jonathan kminga JK and it doesn't work,
and Steve Kerr wants it to work, but it doesn't
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work and they're not playing him, and it's a coach's decision.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's a mess.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
In fact, the story came out yesterday from a respected
writer in the Bay Area. They're going to move off
him so Rockets have homegoart advantage. Rockets will dominate the glass. Rockets'
best players are in their prime or young, twitchy and
moving into their prime, and the Rockets know what their
rotation is right now. The Warriors are struggling with it,
and Steve Kerr talked about.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
That the puzzle has to sin. We found, you know,
a really good formula when JK was injured and we
got Jimmy. I think we went to eighteen and two
or something right away. So we found we found lineup
combinations that have clicked, and we're winning and we have
to stick with that. And it's it's brutal for JK.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It really is.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
He's a young player who wants to play, and he's
absolutely talented enough to play.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
We just have to.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Keep plugging away and keep moving forward. And he's doing
a good job of that, but I definitely feel for him.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Remember when the Niners moved off Trey Lance, I said,
if Trey Lance doesn't work with Kyle Shanahan, then it
doesn't work in the pros.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Steph Curry works with everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
He works, It doesn't matter Draymond Clay, Andre Gwoodala Boget,
He works with everybody. If you can't work in the
starting lineup with Steph, you can't be a Warrior. So
the JK situation is why I like Houston. They can't
figure out how to play kaminga. But it's a remarkable
career as Steph Curry, and this is just not the
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way it usually is. Works with every kind of player,
role players, bigs small, as long as you can keep
up with the offense because it's a fast thinking and
reacting offense. But right now JK can't, and I think
that'll doom the Warriors in what I projected as the
biggest upset. I mean, you call it what you want.
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The Warriors are favored. The better seed is Houston, all right,
So we got a lot of stuff. Rykosel is going
to be joining us in fifteen minutes. I saw something
you know, it's California has its issues. You know, it's
very expensive, traffics, you know, can be brutal. You know,
the well chronicled homeless issue, which the state spent eighty
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billion dollars on. It's gotten worse. But I saw something yesterday.
The Dodgers were once again voted the best organization in baseball.
But it wasn't the people that voted for them. It
was the people that left them entirely off the ballot.
And I want to talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's been interesting living in Los Angeles in California for
the last nine years. There's a lot of California and
envy out there. Even our government, you know, the governor
of the state looks like an Abercrombie and Fitch model.
And there's just I mean, yes, we have perfect weather
in californ Everything grows here so agriculturally, we have huge
advantages over the rest of the country, there is no question.
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But that's not just why we have the biggest economy
by a long shot. We have the fifth biggest economy
California does in the world, Bigger than two hundred and
five countries, bigger than France, the UK economy. It's not
just that we have great weather. That certainly helps. But
Kentucky and Arkansas could have created Silicon Valley too. They didn't,
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and they couldn't, and Missouri can't either, and Ohio can't either.
There are so many smart, aspirational people in this state
that are very driven, very smart. The California system, the
UC system, I've never I've never lived in a place
with more smart people.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
We've got our issues, eighty.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Billion dollars on homeless and it's worse. It's a housing issue,
which is up and down the West Coast. It's a
housing issue. Too many regulations by too many politicians, and
you got to build some cheap housing. But that's another
show inother story. But I feel the same way about
the Dodgers. Is everybody saying, oh, they make guy, they
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make a lot of money. You know, the Yankees make
more money annually by one hundred million dollars than the Dodgers.
You know, the Red Sox make a lot of money too.
And nobody yesterday in that poll that came out voting
on the top organization in baseball. Forty executives voted on
this Dodgers one going away. Now, what was interesting to
me is five executives would not put the Dodgers anywhere
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on any ballot. California envy, Dodgers envy. It's not just
our weather here, which is extraordinary. It's a place that
attracts really smart people and the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's not just the money.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The Mets have a lot of money, and the Mets
one time in twenty years have gone to the playoffs
back to back. The Dodgers win their division every year.
They go every year to the playoffs, multiple times of
the World Series. And the reason being is it's not
just the money, the free agency, they haven't lost the
trade since like twenty sixteen. Everybody they call up can
play their spring training facility miles better than everybody else.
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The tech they use to develop players, they're ahead of
people and have been on analytics, the way they defer payments.
Your billionaire could do that. So I thought it was interesting.
And the other thing is I'm a huge fan of
Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts gets a lot of heat in
Los Angeles because people say, well, he doesn't inspire the players. Guys,
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it's not football with a game a weekend, right like
it's one hundred and sixty two games. A lot of
it's just you got to just wear well over time.
He's not a yeller, he's not a screamer. He's like
part psychologist. He's an easy guy. He wears well over time.
But having a roster that is completely stacked has its
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issues too. And here's Dave Roberts on that.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
When you have a slew a roster that's arguably the
most talented roster in history one through forty, playing time
is hard, and all guys want to play, should want
to play, but it takes some buy in to their
teammates in the organization.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And here's a great example of how well run they
are so major League Baseball dot Com has a farm
system ratings. Seven of the last ten years, including this year,
the Dodgers are in the top ten. This year they're four. Well,
how's that possible. One the Dodgers always draft at the
bottom of rounds. They don't get the best prospects. And
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the second thing is most really good baseball teams to
modify and enhance their teams. If they think they're going
to go to the playoffs, give up draft picks. They
got their farm system, They give up farm hands, and
they give up great prospects to get that number two starter,
to get that big bat. The Dodgers have done that too,
and they still have a great farm system. So it
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just when I read this story about this Major League
survey and like five executives are like, I'm not putting
them on the ballot. Your owner could have deferred payments,
they could afford better technology, you could have a better
farm system. The best farm system should be the Pittsburg
Pirates and the Kansas City Royals and the Detroit Tigers
and the Seattle Mariners. Mariners actually is fifth, not bad
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behind the Dodgers. Here's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I know it's a tough goal for us in this fance.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Damian Lillard has been cleared to play after dealing with
deep vein thrombosis and is done taking blood thinning medication.
He's already been ruled out for Game one on Saturday,
but Lillard started working Wednesday to ramp up a return
for this postseason.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Colin Milwaukee's my East sleeper. Their due. Giannis is pissed off.
Go Bucks, fear the Deer.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel. They're a veteran team.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Older teams do well in the playoffs, but I don't
think they've been championship viable for three years. So I'm
to go upset. I'm gonna go Indiana wins. I think
the upset in the East is the Pacers. I think
the upset uh in the West is the Rockets. And
you know, it's really interesting when you get these series
because you know, obviously Yannis is the best player in
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the series, and Steph is the best player in the series.
I think the odds bakers are saying the best player
always wins the series. But Jannis is a little out
of his prime now. He's still very, very good, but
he's had but he's had two or three injuries.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And he's not gonna have Dame in this series.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
No, he's gonna have him just well, well.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He may have him late in the series at seventy percent.
I mean, Dame hasn't been working out, so yeah, I
I I don't even really classify it as an upset.
I think when the Warriors and the Bucks lose, if
they lose, I don't really see it as an upset.
And I history tells you in the NBA, veteran teams win.
But I I watched Golden State in their last two
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games of the regular season. And if you don't think
they're vulnerable, I don't know what to tell you. There
are two offense, that's all they are. They're vulnerable, as
are the Bucks.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
But the Pacers and Rockets, to me, are not ready
to upset these teams. And I say upset even though,
for example, Houston is a two and war is our
favorite because of Steph.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
The Bucks are favor because he's honest.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
There's no question because NBA history telligs your best player
wins a series.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Brown's GM Andrew Berry was asked the same question we
all have. What position will Travis Hunter play in the NFL.
He didn't go into specifics, but Barry did compare him
to another player we've never seen before.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
It's a little bit like Otani right where you know,
when he's playing on side, he's he's an outstanding player.
If he's if he's a pitcher, he's a hitter, he's
an outstanding player, you obviously get a unicorn if you
use him both ways.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I've been saying this for the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
He is sho Heotani, and I think we're asking the
wrong question when it comes to Travis Hunter. It shouldn't
be what position should he play? It should be how
much can we get him on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
So he's going to be a receiver, right, we all believe.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That, well, receiver is more important, just like Otani. It's
more important that Otawni bats than pitches if you had
to choose one.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
How do I know that?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because the Dodgers won a World Series without him pitching. Okay,
so pitching is important, but it's twenty three stars. Hitting
is every day, four to five at bats, driving in runs.
So I'm not saying pitching doesn't win championships. But what
wins championships is a good bullpen, a great setup guy.
It's the depth and the numbers, the sheer numbers of
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a pitching staff. It's not one guy. Garrett Cole was
arguably the best pitcher in the World Series last year.
They got whacked by the Dodgers because the Dodgers had
more depth of pitching and more depth of talent. So
Otawnie's offense is better, more important than it is pitching,
and Travis Hunter's offense is more important because twelve targets
and ten catches could be one hundred yards a week.
You're not negating one hundred yards is a corner.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
But that's the point.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
So let him do that and then give him packages
to play corner. Matt Size his transcendent talent, and suddenly
you really do have inn Otani. You have a special
special talent. He's the only guy we've ever seen that
really can come in and play both sides of the ball.
Even Dion only played special special packages at receiver. Hunter
It's gonna play both. So what I'm saying is we're
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asking the wrong question when we say what should he play?
We really should be asking how much corner can he
play in addition to wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
That's why he's gonna go number two. I agree.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Luka Doncis is preparing for his first postseason run with
the Lakers, but he'll face a familiar opponent. Last year,
Luca knocked the Timberwolves out of the playoffs in the
Western Conference Finals with a game winner over Rudy Gobert. Recently,
Luca was asked his favorite moment as a Maverick, and
he referenced that shot. When asked about the upcoming matchup
versus Gobert, Lucas said, I like it when.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Centers are on me.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
This is personal for Luka, doncis when it comes to
Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
He kills Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
In fact, in his career, it's some of his best
numbers ever and last year in the playoffs against the
tee Wolves thirty two ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I don't know what it is about Gobert, but he definitely.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's just at Gobert seven to four. He just doesn't
have the quickness you can get. You can get his
feet crossed up. Yeah, I mean Lucas you can't have.
First of all, almost nobody can stop Luca. It's not
gonna be at times a clumsy seven to five guy
like that's not that's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So yeah, I mean it's it's this. This is the big.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Problem for teams that play the Lakers is that you've
got three playmakers. I mean the other thing is Lebron,
Luca and Austin Reeves also get to the free throw line.
So I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen right now
in this series, is the Lakers are gonna shoot more
free throws than the Tea Wolves are, and t Wolves
fans are gonna complain how come the Lakers are shooting
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all these free throws? And the reasons going to be
is because they have three different guys that create free
throw opportunities, whereas Ant overwhelmingly is the one guy that
does it for the Tea Wolves, so that the Lakers
are going to shoot more free throws. Anybody complains about
free throw shooting. A great example is the Warriors weren't
shooting free throws until Jimmy Butler arrived. Why because Jimmy
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Butler creates contact. Suddenly the Warriors went from like twenty
eighth to fourth. So like by the way, the Boston Celtics,
all these great players don't shoot many free throws.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Why jump shooters, they shoot.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Three point jobs.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So Minnesota, I can tell you right now, is gonna
complain how come the Lakers are at the free throw line?
That's what they do. This lineup is all contact guys. Yeah,
Austin Reeves is a great and Luca are great contact initiators.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
What's the scenario for Minnesota to win? I mean, is
it if.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Edwards averages thirty eight. I don't even know if that's enough.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I don't think there is. I think this is a
five game series.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean, go Bear is the fourth time defensive
Player of the Year. But we've seen with Luca when
he gets those high switches, it's a disaster.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
So I don't know if it's if it's more nas reet.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And well, you have to generally be able to picture
an upset in your head, Like if Houston beats Golden State,
I see the picture.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
They're gonna dominate the boards.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They're gonna take a one zero series lead because you
know they have home court advantage. And what you're gonna
watch is a team that a young team, feeding off
a home crowd, playing with incredible depth and energy and size,
and the Warriors don't have that kind of energy or size.
I can see either way this series is gonna work. Now,
if Curry has two forty four point games and the
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games are super close down the stretch, Warriors will get
the call. They manipulate the refts, they manipulate the clock,
and possessions.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I can see that too.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm saying over seven games, I can see Houston getting
second and third possessions on rebounding and size advantages. I
can't see Minnesota beating the Lakers. I just can't because
that means Julius Randall's gonna I mean, Lebron's gonna average
twenty five, Luca's gonna average thirty plus, going to average
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twenty two. Ruey could get sixteen to twenty five in
any game. I don't think they have enough offense.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
A better chance of an upset or I don't even
know if you call it an upset, but Minnesota beating
Dallas or sorry, the Lakers, or Indiana in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't think Indiana beating Milwaukee's an upset. Wow, I don't,
but I but I've been. I've been this Milwaukee thing.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
You don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I just didn't buy it three years ago. Yeah, it
was a one and done championship.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Jordan with the.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
There is I gotta I gotta show you this. So
I thought this was kind of interesting. And I was
on the phone yesterday with a couple execs. All thirty
two teams in the NFL Draft week next week, all
thirty two teams still have their first round picks.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Now that's unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Week before the draft, all thirty two teams still have
the first run picks. In fact, that's the first time
it's happened in nineteen sixty seven and so, and the
reason being is who would you move up for? Generally
you move up for a quarterback or an unbelievable edge
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rusher without any issues or drama. So my guess is
you're not gonna have a lot of trades in the
first round, but I want to The Denver Broncos said
something yesterday. The GM said, we think the strength of
the draft is in the late first and middle rounds.
So I'm going to have something that stands out to
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me in this draft. If you look at the middle
down of the first round, the second round, the third round,
it's a lot of offensive coaches.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
So let's look.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let's look, for instance, to pick twenty six Rams McVeigh eight,
Dan Campbell offense, Chiefs Eagles, by the way, the Broncos
at twenty offense, Harbaugh twenty two offense, twenty three Packers
offense twenty four Vikings offense. A lot of offensive coaches,
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so offensive coaches see the world differently than defensive coaches.
They can see gadgets. This is how Andy Reid saw
Xavier Worthy, where a lot of people thought he was
too small to be a first round pick, and Andy
Reid's like, oh, I could drop twelve plays right now.
The two players I would keep my eye on that
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people may move up for. I think there's so many
offensive coaches drafting from about like you know, eighteen on
is Colston Lovelin, the tight end from Michigan. He's a
very He's not the best tight end in the draft.
He's the second best or third best. But the way
you can use him as a receiver, he's a guy
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that's got a lot of dexterity that I don't think
most defense coaches.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Would want to move up the draft for.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I could see a Sean Payton they could use
a tight end. I could see a Andy Reid. I
could see a Nick Sirianni, a Howie Roseman saying oh,
because remember they may move off Dallas Goddard in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I could see a Denver, a ram a.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
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Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, so keep your eye on him. He because the bottom,
the middle and bottom of the first round is a
lot of offensive coaches and a lot of really smart
offensive coaches. The other guy to keep your eye on
who I was talking to a GM yesterday who loves
this guy a Mecca Buka, the receiver from Ohio State. Again,
he's been overshadowed at Ohio State because they've had you know,
(27:51):
Marvin Harrison's.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Sons, Jeremiah Smith, Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
This kid is a great player, and you really offensive
coaches and general managers who have a good feel for
offense really like this kid runs the whole route tree.
You don't get a lot of ego from the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
He's a grinder.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He's been overshadowed in this program because Brian Hartline recruits
such devastating talent that people are forgetting how damn good
this kid is.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And when you talk to NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I've talked to two different NFL people and they're like,
you can play this kid anywhere. You could play them
on the sideline, you can play him in the slot
he runs. I mean, he is so refined and so polished.
So I don't think and you're seeing this is nobody's
trading up right now. And I don't think anybody will
Shadu or Sanders the exception middle up.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But when you get middled down and.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
You see all those smart offensive coaches, and a lot
of those offensive coaches have power in the building. Sean
Payton McVeigh, those guys Andy Reid, they got power in
the building. Hey, Dan Campbell's got power in the building.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
So look at the rave is twenty seven man. That's
like a think about them with a.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Remember they're moving maybe off Mark Andrews. The Eagles may
be moving off Dallas Goddard. So I think that. I
think Colston Lovelin keep your eye on him. Somebody just said,
because his build is not your classic tight end, he's
not a blocker, no, but you can play around with
him all over the field.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And that's what the NFL has become.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
The Loveland camp has been Sam Laporta and the a
Mecca comp is. He's got some JS into him. I
know Seattle has been mocked with him. If you can
bring in one of these Day one tight ends or
receivers who can give you Day one contribution Loveland to
me could get a thousand yards is a rookie.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
A Mecca. A thousand yards is a rookie. There's not
that many guys in this class. Light.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, so this is something Sean Payton's talked about. There's
not a lot of star power in this draft. But
from about pick twenty three maybe twenty to the top
of the third round, you got about fifty guys who
can all play very early in the NFL. Daniel Jeremiah,
former scout with multiple teams, talked about that a month
(30:10):
ago on our show.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's a starter's draft, not a star draft.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I think Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter to me up there
at the top have some star potential for different reasons.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
But you know, for the most part, you're looking at starters.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
And when I evaluated draft when I was with teams
and the way I look at it now, if you
can find three starters in a draft, Colin, that's a
heck of a draft.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So, Colston, Lovelin and the Ohio State receiver, those guys
are really good players, ready to play. And I think
offensive coaches with power, veteran offensive coaches with some smoke
in the building are going to lean on that GM
and say, listen, this guy starts for us, like I mean,
(30:52):
Travis Kelcey may play one more year for Kansas City, right, Okay,
you get one more year out of him.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Noah Gray's nice.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Noah Gray Loveland's a one potentially with the right offensive coach.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah. And also back to a Mecca. I actually talked to.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Brian Hartline about him, and he's at every receiver and
he said, a Mecca is one of the smartest. He's
the biggest leader. And to your point, Colin, we had
him a lot in the slot, he said, but he
can play outside. And that's that's the value of having
someone that really gets the position.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
That's a Mecca. Yep.
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Speaker 1 (32:51):
So the great financier Warren Buffett has aligned. It's great
to learn from mistakes, but better to learn from other
people's mistakes, so you don't have to make.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Him story out.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Today, Pooka Nakua was on Julian Edelman's podcast, and there's
all this talk now that brock Perties group his agent,
they're not interested. They want mid fives, fifty five million,
not in the forties. And Pooka Nakua with some rare honesty,
this is what people in the league think.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
He said it.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Rock Perdy.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
Is he gonna get a five?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I don't think so.
Speaker 12 (33:32):
Do you think he's gonna go with a four? He's
gonna start with a four? Yeah, high four? No, I
think mid mid for forty five, I think so. I mean,
I think if he does that, that'd be smart for
him and them. Yeah, I mean, I think he's he
seems like a smart guy.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I think he like there's still they have a chance
to still be in their window.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
And I think if if he goes for a five,
that the window closes.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
When did the Cowboys window Super Bowl window really close?
When they paid Dak the big money? What did Warren
Buffett say? It's one thing to learn from mistakes. It's
better to learn from somebody else's San Francisco look at
the Cowboys. The Dak Purty comps are very similar. They
both come in as lower round draft picks, cheap labor.
(34:17):
They get starts because of injuries to other quarterbacks. Teammates
like them, good guys. They have very strong run games
to lean on good old lines, but really particularly strong
Zeke CMC run games. They win a lot, but boy,
when they lose a key offensive performer, they don't elevate
average people. They don't carry average players. Both are dependent
(34:42):
on the advantages of their roster. Both have had offensive
coaches Dak with Jason Garrett McCarthy, brought Purty with Christian McCaffrey. Okay,
both Niners Cowboys big brands. So when they start winning,
the money pours in and the owner does not want
to disrupt the gravy train. The owner does not want
(35:02):
to disrupt the momentum financially of branding. They're on TV,
the money's rolling in the crowds are packed, and the
coach Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy or Shanahan really likes that
a brock Perty or a Dack because they're lower draft
picks and grinders. That's the only way they make this league.
Grinding don't have big eels, so you're not dealing with
(35:24):
an ego. You can kind of they're amenable to your voice.
You can kind of control McCarthy. Jason Garrett feel like
what I say we're gonna do, they're not gonna do
with Aaron Rodgers and wing it or roll their eyes
at your call. And so Dallas just look lower pick
(35:44):
big brand. You win some regular season games, it's a
B talent, but when they come in and have that
star run game or Star runback where everybody is good,
when you're throwing on third and two and second and four,
everybody is good with protection in a great run game.
That's what we talked about. Ashton Jenz to the Raiders yesterday.
(36:05):
Geno Smith with a run games actually really good. Geno
Smith without it is a ham and egger. And so
learn from what happened to Dallas the minute they paid
big money for Dak. They've never been a Super Bowl team.
You can convince themselves last two contracts. And I remember
sitting here on this set, and I've watched all the
(36:25):
young media.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Give him the bag.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You give the bag the Lamar, Josh Burrow, Mahomes, Stafford,
maybe a Jalen Herd, c J.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You give the bag to those guys. Everybody else. You
got to win the negotiation. And even when you get
a Brady or a Manning or a Mahomes, you're much better.
Even with Brady and Mahomes when it's a team friendly deal.
Brady signed team friendly deals as good as Drew Brees,
is much better than perty. When Drew Brees took the
(36:57):
bag in New Orleans for two years, the team wasn't
any good. And then Drew's like, I gotta renegotiate this deal.
We need more players. So Drew Brees and Sean Payton
could not win in that Wonky division for the two
years that Drew took the most money.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
See, you're gonna win in this division.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
The Rams right now have better players, all in their
going into their prime. The Rams aren't paying for anybody
on defense. The Rams have the better quarterback, arguably, the
better coach, arguably the better owner.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You pay big money here.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now you have eleven draft picks this year, so if
you hit on six of them, that really helps. Because
the Rams have been hitting on all their defensive draft picks.
And then they find Pooka Nkup in the fifth and
Kyen Williams in the fifth. They are stars that are
not paying either. So the Rams right now have them
much better if you, if you were honest about this,
(37:51):
the Niners have more good, young, inexpensive talent for the
next three years. See, you can't pay brock Perty on
an annual basis significantly more than Matt Stafford makes because
Matt Stafford's a lot more talented. You can't do that.
So again, it's one thing to learn from your mistakes.
It's much better to learn from other people's mistakes. Dallas,
(38:12):
you are staring at Dallas, and they waited, and they waited,
and they waited, and then they got trapped. Now I'll
just throw this out there. They brought Mac Jones in
from Jacksonville. Who's not gonna be a franchise guy. He's
a backup. I don't think it's crazy if one of
your eleven picks is a quarterback. I don't think it's
crazy at all. Kyle McCord, fourth round, Go get him.
(38:33):
I mean, you got to clean up your own line,
and you got to get help in the secondary. I
don't think it's crazy for them to go out and
draft the quarterback, just saying but Puka Nakua. Yeah, now,
the Rams probably don't love him saying that because it's
a rival and the last thing you want to do
is poor gas on the fire. But he's not wrong,
he's absolutely And Julian Edelman also said, yeah, that'd be
better for him and the team.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
I just I think it's so refreshing when a star
player comes out and says what most of the league
is already thinking.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
He says, you know, it'd be smart for them to
give him.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Forty five Yes, not fifty four. I have no problem
with forty four million. I'm not saying you have to
pay him twelve. I'm saying the contract should be much
closer to Sam Darnold than it is.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Josh Allen, Yeah, it won't be. Yes, it's going to
start with the five. You know, it's not taking a
hometown this guy.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
This has always been an interesting conversation. I've talked about
this in the NBA. If my son was as good
as Jalen Green the Houston Rockets, I would have said,
go to Carolina. You're gonna get thirty million dollars in
free marketing and promotion. Now I don't know Jalen's financial situation,
but again, superstar basketball players at sixteen in this country
are not starving. They're being taken care of by multiple people.
(39:41):
AU basketball, you know a lot of one hundred dollars handshakes.
So I'm not going to speak for anybody else's financial situation.
But if I was a quarterback, I think about this
all the time, and I'm twenty five, twenty six years old.
Your biggest contract is never your first. So I can
understand Brock pretty SAand guy I haven't made. I'm renting
an apartment right now. I get his angle on it.
(40:05):
But Brock, you take fifty eight. That forces the Niners
to nail eight of the eleven draft picks. This is
not a great draft, and the Niners, as much as
I love them, they've missed them a lot.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Of draft picks, first round draft picks. So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Maybe I'm taking as I have a talk show host
and I can talk forever. But I always think the
long play. I never want my bosses feeling like, man,
I took him to the eye.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah, I took him to the back to the watershed.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
If you're brock Perty, doesn't it make more sense to
sign for a little bit less now, win more later
and get the back end of their third contract? How
many times did Tom Brady renegotiate every year? Because you
want San Francisco to have a better roster, and we've
already seen it. We saw it the last couple of years,
especially last year where he didn't have all the weapons.
(40:57):
Things didn't go great and the team stunk. So if
you're brock Perty, wouldn't it behoovie to take forty six
instead of fifty?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Well? Think about think about this.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So brock Perty's cap hit was only nine hundred thousand
dollars when they went to the Super Bowl. Do you
want it to be forty nine million dollars?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
That changes the roster.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
Changes the entire complexion of the direction of the franchise,
not just the roster, changes how you think about it
when you're building it. It's a totally different ballgame. And
they're Tipuka's point, they're headed toward that. Does he take
a home town.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I don't see it. I think he's going to go
for the fifty plus. That's that's that's.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, that's what his agent wants. And I again, I
understand it. Had he been a third round pick and
made a little bit of money, uh, you know, he
put a few million bucks in the market and owned
a home like he'd probably be And also he lives
in San Francisco, which is one of the most expensive
cities in the world. So I get the fact that
he's like, I'm renting an apartment. I'm the starting quarterback
(41:55):
for the Niners. I need some cash here hour or
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All right, So I want to start with this because
at the end of our show yesterday we touched on it.
So yesterday Aaron Rodgers on ESPN, Pat McAfee show. They
go for like a twenty thirty minute interview. They've been
doing this for a couple of years now, and I
had two big takeaways on it because it was the
end of the Jets relationship. My two big takeaways are,
Number One, the Jets are second class operation. Aaron Rodgers
(01:27):
his own dime, flies cross country on his you know,
citation or jet Stream or a gulf Stream, probably plays
about fifty thousand dollars there in back, maybe sixty, and
they give him five minutes. They could have told him
they didn't want him on the phone. I don't care
how much Aaron makes I don't care what you think
about Aaron. You can't treat employees that way. That's not
how you treat people. Rams aren't treating people that way.
(01:48):
Come on now, Niners aren't treating people that way. Dodgers
aren't treating people that way. Baltimore's not treating people like that.
That's a second class move. And by the way, we
have report cards to back that up. Remember when the
players in the NFL had player polls NFLPA player polls,
Jets ranked twenty ninth.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Owner got an f by the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Jets players and the f They also have the longest
playoff drought in North American sports, longer than the Washington Wizards.
It's not a well run organization at all. They fired
Joe Douglas, who I thought was really good. They fired
Robert Sala in week five when the next game he
was going to be if they won in first place.
And they treat Aaron Rodgers like a door to door salesman.
(02:32):
Give me a break. And when Woody Allen, by the way,
fired Robert Sala, Woody Johnson sorry. When Woody Johnson fired
Robert Sala, he said, his quote was, this is one
of the most talented teams that's ever been assembled by
the New York Jets. Six weeks later, he fired the
GM that assembled the roster. You just said it was
(02:53):
the best Jets roster. The guy who assembled that you fired.
So just this organization's not well. Joe Douglas was bitter,
should be Robert slip probably a little bitter, should be.
Aaron sounded a little bitter, should be. My second takeaway
on the Aaron Rodgers discussion yesterday, I'm gonna read you
(03:13):
his several of his quotes from the interview. And remember
he's a franchise quarterback, right most important position in American sports.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Retirement could still be a possibility, but right now, my
focus is on my personal life. He later said, I
got a lot of things that are taking my attention
away from football. That's where I've been focusing most of
my attention on. He also said, you know, I'm trying
to be open to anything and not specifically attached to anything.
He also said, this entire time, I haven't felt like
I've owed anybody any sort of decision at any point.
(03:45):
Bro all in or all out. It's like being a
surgeon at a hospital. They need to know if you're
available when they call tomorrow for a seven hour surgery
to an eleven year old girl to save her life. Man,
it's not that serious, but it's serious. People depend on
the top surgeon or the pilot or the CEO, or
(04:06):
the coach or the quarterback. They're depending on you. So
you can't be like indifferent in casual in California cool.
At one point, he talked about people in his inner
circle are struggling, and I can have sympathy for that,
But the NFL bench is not a therapy couch.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Nobody cares. That's your problem. Nobody cares about your inner circle.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Tom Brady was going through personal stuff, we didn't hear
about it. Tom was about football the minute Tom was
in the facility. It's all football all the time, and
he didn't talk about it. He was never distracting. Same
with Peyton Manning didn't have a perfect life. So in closing,
here's why I never bought into the New York Jets.
And I always saw this relationship as more Carmen Electra
(04:47):
and Dennis Rodman than Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Why say it out loud? You know, it's one of
my rules in life.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Whenever you're not sure if something's gonna work, just say
it out loud. Second class football operation and a quarterback
that's old past his prime and you know, mostly committed.
Does that sound like the Ravens. Does that sound like
the Rams or the Lions or the Eagles or the Chiefs. No,
(05:16):
And that's why you're the Jets. I think the way
they treated him is bush league. You don't have to
and I went on the internet yesterday people, well, Aaron
makes a lot of money. You either treat people right
in life or you don't, even if they're leaving the company.
You don't treat him like that. And I talked to
a GM in the league yesterday. Aaron Glenn was very
(05:38):
rogue and weird how he treated Aaron. And a general
manager told me yesterday he said, coaches sometimes you get lucky,
and they're not only CEOs, but they're like scheme wizards,
like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan. But it's really a
CEO job. You're dealing with personalities. You got to know
(05:58):
what the budgets are. You're dealing with egos. You're managing coaches,
you're managing units, players, the media. It's a CEO job.
Aaron Glenn right now is not a CEO. He doesn't
know what he's doing because that's not how you treat people.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's just not how.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
You do it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And Aaron, your enter, you're out bro indifferent. California cool
is not a vibe. It doesn't work. So the whole
thing was like, I mean, this is Rodman, Carmen Electra
kind of attractive briefly, but this is not gonna work. Okay,
So Steph Curry and the Warriors, I'm picking. The Rockets
(06:36):
are favored the Warriors and Steph are favored to beat
Houston and that series starts Sunday, and so let's say
they win because they're favored and most people like the
fact they have the best player, Steph Curry, the best coach,
Steve Kerr, and they've got tons of playoff experience. That's
why they're favored. I think there's reasons they won't win it,
but they could. But it's really interesting. As great as
(06:59):
my Jordan was, he only won titles with Pippin, and
as great as Kobe was, he won with Shaq, anyone
with Gasol Perennial All Stars. So if the Warriors win
this series, that means they're one series away from another
Western Conference final. And think about this. Clay has won
(07:21):
with Steph, has won with Clay as his best teammate,
with Kevin Durant as his best teammate in the finals,
with Andrew Wiggins being a key cog, and now with
Jimmy Butler. Fourth iteration. We were joking this morning. Steph
Curry is like the black T shirt of a wardrobe.
It works with everything. You can put a sports coat
(07:43):
over it, you can wear it with jeans, you can
wear it working out, or you can wear it with shorts.
Steph works with everything, and I think there's two things
that are a key to Steph Curry, and that's why
they're favored. They're favored in the series because of Steph Curry.
Because when a superstar either works really hard on defense
or without the ball, it sends a message. And nobody
(08:07):
works harder without the ball in the NBA in my
lifetime than Steph Curry. And that message is one that
a lot of other stars, like a mellow I don't
play defense, don't really work too hard unless the ball's
in your hands. That sends a message too. Because they
really I don't think Golden State should win this series.
(08:27):
I think the only reason their favorite is one player.
First of all, they are a two man offense, and
both guys are past their prime Butler and Steph. Number two,
rebounding and size matter in the playoffs because extra possessions
matter when people are really playing intentional basketball. Houston's going
to own the glass. Number three eight, the Rockets have
(08:48):
home court advantage that's substantial. And Number four is the
Warriors have something right now that's actually a disaster, is
that they've got this group, but what they really need
is size in length, and they thought they were going
to get that from Jonathan kminga JK and it doesn't work,
and Steve Kerr wants it to work, but it doesn't
(09:08):
work and they're not playing him, and it's a coach's decision.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's a mess.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
In fact, the story came out yesterday from a respected
writer in the Bay Area. They're going to move off
him so Rockets have homegoart advantage. Rockets will dominate the glass. Rockets'
best players are in their prime or young, twitchy and
moving into their prime, and the Rockets know what their
rotation is right now. The Warriors are struggling with it,
and Steve Kerr talked about.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
That the puzzle has to sin. We found, you know,
a really good formula when JK was injured and we
got Jimmy. I think we went to eighteen and two
or something right away. So we found we found lineup
combinations that have clicked, and we're winning and we have
to stick with that. And it's it's brutal for JK.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It really is.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
He's a young player who wants to play, and he's
absolutely talented enough to play.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
We just have to.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Keep plugging away and keep moving forward. And he's doing
a good job of that, but I definitely feel for him.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Remember when the Niners moved off Trey Lance, I said,
if Trey Lance doesn't work with Kyle Shanahan, then it
doesn't work in the pros.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Steph Curry works with everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
He works, It doesn't matter Draymond Clay, Andre Gwoodala Boget,
He works with everybody. If you can't work in the
starting lineup with Steph, you can't be a Warrior. So
the JK situation is why I like Houston. They can't
figure out how to play kaminga. But it's a remarkable
career as Steph Curry, and this is just not the
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way it usually is. Works with every kind of player,
role players, bigs small, as long as you can keep
up with the offense because it's a fast thinking and
reacting offense. But right now JK can't, and I think
that'll doom the Warriors in what I projected as the
biggest upset. I mean, you call it what you want.
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The Warriors are favored. The better seed is Houston, all right,
So we got a lot of stuff. Rykosel is going
to be joining us in fifteen minutes. I saw something
you know, it's California has its issues. You know, it's
very expensive, traffics, you know, can be brutal. You know,
the well chronicled homeless issue, which the state spent eighty
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billion dollars on. It's gotten worse. But I saw something yesterday.
The Dodgers were once again voted the best organization in baseball.
But it wasn't the people that voted for them. It
was the people that left them entirely off the ballot.
And I want to talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
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Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's been interesting living in Los Angeles in California for
the last nine years. There's a lot of California and
envy out there. Even our government, you know, the governor
of the state looks like an Abercrombie and Fitch model.
And there's just I mean, yes, we have perfect weather
in californ Everything grows here so agriculturally, we have huge
advantages over the rest of the country, there is no question.
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But that's not just why we have the biggest economy
by a long shot. We have the fifth biggest economy
California does in the world, Bigger than two hundred and
five countries, bigger than France, the UK economy. It's not
just that we have great weather. That certainly helps. But
Kentucky and Arkansas could have created Silicon Valley too. They didn't,
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and they couldn't, and Missouri can't either, and Ohio can't either.
There are so many smart, aspirational people in this state
that are very driven, very smart. The California system, the
UC system, I've never I've never lived in a place
with more smart people.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
We've got our issues, eighty.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Billion dollars on homeless and it's worse. It's a housing issue,
which is up and down the West Coast. It's a
housing issue. Too many regulations by too many politicians, and
you got to build some cheap housing. But that's another
show inother story. But I feel the same way about
the Dodgers. Is everybody saying, oh, they make guy, they
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make a lot of money. You know, the Yankees make
more money annually by one hundred million dollars than the Dodgers.
You know, the Red Sox make a lot of money too.
And nobody yesterday in that poll that came out voting
on the top organization in baseball. Forty executives voted on
this Dodgers one going away. Now, what was interesting to
me is five executives would not put the Dodgers anywhere
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on any ballot. California envy, Dodgers envy. It's not just
our weather here, which is extraordinary. It's a place that
attracts really smart people and the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's not just the money.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The Mets have a lot of money, and the Mets
one time in twenty years have gone to the playoffs
back to back. The Dodgers win their division every year.
They go every year to the playoffs, multiple times of
the World Series. And the reason being is it's not
just the money, the free agency, they haven't lost the
trade since like twenty sixteen. Everybody they call up can
play their spring training facility miles better than everybody else.
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The tech they use to develop players, they're ahead of
people and have been on analytics, the way they defer payments.
Your billionaire could do that. So I thought it was interesting.
And the other thing is I'm a huge fan of
Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts gets a lot of heat in
Los Angeles because people say, well, he doesn't inspire the players. Guys,
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it's not football with a game a weekend, right like
it's one hundred and sixty two games. A lot of
it's just you got to just wear well over time.
He's not a yeller, he's not a screamer. He's like
part psychologist. He's an easy guy. He wears well over time.
But having a roster that is completely stacked has its
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issues too. And here's Dave Roberts on that.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
When you have a slew a roster that's arguably the
most talented roster in history one through forty, playing time
is hard, and all guys want to play, should want
to play, but it takes some buy in to their
teammates in the organization.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And here's a great example of how well run they
are so major League Baseball dot Com has a farm
system ratings. Seven of the last ten years, including this year,
the Dodgers are in the top ten. This year they're four. Well,
how's that possible. One the Dodgers always draft at the
bottom of rounds. They don't get the best prospects. And
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the second thing is most really good baseball teams to
modify and enhance their teams. If they think they're going
to go to the playoffs, give up draft picks. They
got their farm system, They give up farm hands, and
they give up great prospects to get that number two starter,
to get that big bat. The Dodgers have done that too,
and they still have a great farm system. So it
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just when I read this story about this Major League
survey and like five executives are like, I'm not putting
them on the ballot. Your owner could have deferred payments,
they could afford better technology, you could have a better
farm system. The best farm system should be the Pittsburg
Pirates and the Kansas City Royals and the Detroit Tigers
and the Seattle Mariners. Mariners actually is fifth, not bad
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behind the Dodgers. Here's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I know it's a tough goal for us in this fance.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Damian Lillard has been cleared to play after dealing with
deep vein thrombosis and is done taking blood thinning medication.
He's already been ruled out for Game one on Saturday,
but Lillard started working Wednesday to ramp up a return
for this postseason.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Colin Milwaukee's my East sleeper. Their due. Giannis is pissed off.
Go Bucks, fear the Deer.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel. They're a veteran team.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Older teams do well in the playoffs, but I don't
think they've been championship viable for three years. So I'm
to go upset. I'm gonna go Indiana wins. I think
the upset in the East is the Pacers. I think
the upset uh in the West is the Rockets. And
you know, it's really interesting when you get these series
because you know, obviously Yannis is the best player in
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the series, and Steph is the best player in the series.
I think the odds bakers are saying the best player
always wins the series. But Jannis is a little out
of his prime now. He's still very, very good, but
he's had but he's had two or three injuries.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And he's not gonna have Dame in this series.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
No, he's gonna have him just well, well.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He may have him late in the series at seventy percent.
I mean, Dame hasn't been working out, so yeah, I
I I don't even really classify it as an upset.
I think when the Warriors and the Bucks lose, if
they lose, I don't really see it as an upset.
And I history tells you in the NBA, veteran teams win.
But I I watched Golden State in their last two
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games of the regular season. And if you don't think
they're vulnerable, I don't know what to tell you. There
are two offense, that's all they are. They're vulnerable, as
are the Bucks.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
But the Pacers and Rockets, to me, are not ready
to upset these teams. And I say upset even though,
for example, Houston is a two and war is our
favorite because of Steph.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
The Bucks are favor because he's honest.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
There's no question because NBA history telligs your best player
wins a series.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Brown's GM Andrew Berry was asked the same question we
all have. What position will Travis Hunter play in the NFL.
He didn't go into specifics, but Barry did compare him
to another player we've never seen before.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
It's a little bit like Otani right where you know,
when he's playing on side, he's he's an outstanding player.
If he's if he's a pitcher, he's a hitter, he's
an outstanding player, you obviously get a unicorn if you
use him both ways.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I've been saying this for the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
He is sho Heotani, and I think we're asking the
wrong question when it comes to Travis Hunter. It shouldn't
be what position should he play? It should be how
much can we get him on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
So he's going to be a receiver, right, we all believe.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That, well, receiver is more important, just like Otani. It's
more important that Otawni bats than pitches if you had
to choose one.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
How do I know that?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because the Dodgers won a World Series without him pitching. Okay,
so pitching is important, but it's twenty three stars. Hitting
is every day, four to five at bats, driving in runs.
So I'm not saying pitching doesn't win championships. But what
wins championships is a good bullpen, a great setup guy.
It's the depth and the numbers, the sheer numbers of
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a pitching staff. It's not one guy. Garrett Cole was
arguably the best pitcher in the World Series last year.
They got whacked by the Dodgers because the Dodgers had
more depth of pitching and more depth of talent. So
Otawnie's offense is better, more important than it is pitching,
and Travis Hunter's offense is more important because twelve targets
and ten catches could be one hundred yards a week.
You're not negating one hundred yards is a corner.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
But that's the point.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
So let him do that and then give him packages
to play corner. Matt Size his transcendent talent, and suddenly
you really do have inn Otani. You have a special
special talent. He's the only guy we've ever seen that
really can come in and play both sides of the ball.
Even Dion only played special special packages at receiver. Hunter
It's gonna play both. So what I'm saying is we're
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asking the wrong question when we say what should he play?
We really should be asking how much corner can he
play in addition to wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
That's why he's gonna go number two. I agree.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Luka Doncis is preparing for his first postseason run with
the Lakers, but he'll face a familiar opponent. Last year,
Luca knocked the Timberwolves out of the playoffs in the
Western Conference Finals with a game winner over Rudy Gobert. Recently,
Luca was asked his favorite moment as a Maverick, and
he referenced that shot. When asked about the upcoming matchup
versus Gobert, Lucas said, I like it when.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Centers are on me.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
This is personal for Luka, doncis when it comes to
Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
He kills Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
In fact, in his career, it's some of his best
numbers ever and last year in the playoffs against the
tee Wolves thirty two ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I don't know what it is about Gobert, but he definitely.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's just at Gobert seven to four. He just doesn't
have the quickness you can get. You can get his
feet crossed up. Yeah, I mean Lucas you can't have.
First of all, almost nobody can stop Luca. It's not
gonna be at times a clumsy seven to five guy
like that's not that's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So yeah, I mean it's it's this. This is the big.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Problem for teams that play the Lakers is that you've
got three playmakers. I mean the other thing is Lebron,
Luca and Austin Reeves also get to the free throw line.
So I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen right now
in this series, is the Lakers are gonna shoot more
free throws than the Tea Wolves are, and t Wolves
fans are gonna complain how come the Lakers are shooting
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all these free throws? And the reasons going to be
is because they have three different guys that create free
throw opportunities, whereas Ant overwhelmingly is the one guy that
does it for the Tea Wolves, so that the Lakers
are going to shoot more free throws. Anybody complains about
free throw shooting. A great example is the Warriors weren't
shooting free throws until Jimmy Butler arrived. Why because Jimmy
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Butler creates contact. Suddenly the Warriors went from like twenty
eighth to fourth. So like by the way, the Boston Celtics,
all these great players don't shoot many free throws.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Why jump shooters, they shoot.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Three point jobs.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So Minnesota, I can tell you right now, is gonna
complain how come the Lakers are at the free throw line?
That's what they do. This lineup is all contact guys. Yeah,
Austin Reeves is a great and Luca are great contact initiators.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
What's the scenario for Minnesota to win? I mean, is
it if.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Edwards averages thirty eight. I don't even know if that's enough.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I don't think there is. I think this is a
five game series.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean, go Bear is the fourth time defensive
Player of the Year. But we've seen with Luca when
he gets those high switches, it's a disaster.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
So I don't know if it's if it's more nas reet.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And well, you have to generally be able to picture
an upset in your head, Like if Houston beats Golden State,
I see the picture.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
They're gonna dominate the boards.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They're gonna take a one zero series lead because you
know they have home court advantage. And what you're gonna
watch is a team that a young team, feeding off
a home crowd, playing with incredible depth and energy and size,
and the Warriors don't have that kind of energy or size.
I can see either way this series is gonna work. Now,
if Curry has two forty four point games and the
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games are super close down the stretch, Warriors will get
the call. They manipulate the refts, they manipulate the clock,
and possessions.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I can see that too.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm saying over seven games, I can see Houston getting
second and third possessions on rebounding and size advantages. I
can't see Minnesota beating the Lakers. I just can't because
that means Julius Randall's gonna I mean, Lebron's gonna average
twenty five, Luca's gonna average thirty plus, going to average
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twenty two. Ruey could get sixteen to twenty five in
any game. I don't think they have enough offense.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
A better chance of an upset or I don't even
know if you call it an upset, but Minnesota beating
Dallas or sorry, the Lakers, or Indiana in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't think Indiana beating Milwaukee's an upset. Wow, I don't,
but I but I've been. I've been this Milwaukee thing.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
You don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I just didn't buy it three years ago. Yeah, it
was a one and done championship.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Jordan with the.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
There is I gotta I gotta show you this. So
I thought this was kind of interesting. And I was
on the phone yesterday with a couple execs. All thirty
two teams in the NFL Draft week next week, all
thirty two teams still have their first round picks.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Now that's unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Week before the draft, all thirty two teams still have
the first run picks. In fact, that's the first time
it's happened in nineteen sixty seven and so, and the
reason being is who would you move up for? Generally
you move up for a quarterback or an unbelievable edge
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rusher without any issues or drama. So my guess is
you're not gonna have a lot of trades in the
first round, but I want to The Denver Broncos said
something yesterday. The GM said, we think the strength of
the draft is in the late first and middle rounds.
So I'm going to have something that stands out to
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me in this draft. If you look at the middle
down of the first round, the second round, the third round,
it's a lot of offensive coaches.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
So let's look.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let's look, for instance, to pick twenty six Rams McVeigh eight,
Dan Campbell offense, Chiefs Eagles, by the way, the Broncos
at twenty offense, Harbaugh twenty two offense, twenty three Packers
offense twenty four Vikings offense. A lot of offensive coaches,
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so offensive coaches see the world differently than defensive coaches.
They can see gadgets. This is how Andy Reid saw
Xavier Worthy, where a lot of people thought he was
too small to be a first round pick, and Andy
Reid's like, oh, I could drop twelve plays right now.
The two players I would keep my eye on that
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people may move up for. I think there's so many
offensive coaches drafting from about like you know, eighteen on
is Colston Lovelin, the tight end from Michigan. He's a
very He's not the best tight end in the draft.
He's the second best or third best. But the way
you can use him as a receiver, he's a guy
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that's got a lot of dexterity that I don't think
most defense coaches.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Would want to move up the draft for.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I could see a Sean Payton they could use
a tight end. I could see a Andy Reid. I
could see a Nick Sirianni, a Howie Roseman saying oh,
because remember they may move off Dallas Goddard in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I could see a Denver, a ram a.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Charger, Charger with Harve Reunite.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, so keep your eye on him. He because the bottom,
the middle and bottom of the first round is a
lot of offensive coaches and a lot of really smart
offensive coaches. The other guy to keep your eye on
who I was talking to a GM yesterday who loves
this guy a Mecca Buka, the receiver from Ohio State. Again,
he's been overshadowed at Ohio State because they've had you know,
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Marvin Harrison's.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Sons, Jeremiah Smith, Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
This kid is a great player, and you really offensive
coaches and general managers who have a good feel for
offense really like this kid runs the whole route tree.
You don't get a lot of ego from the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
He's a grinder.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He's been overshadowed in this program because Brian Hartline recruits
such devastating talent that people are forgetting how damn good
this kid is.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And when you talk to NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I've talked to two different NFL people and they're like,
you can play this kid anywhere. You could play them
on the sideline, you can play him in the slot
he runs. I mean, he is so refined and so polished.
So I don't think and you're seeing this is nobody's
trading up right now. And I don't think anybody will
Shadu or Sanders the exception middle up.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But when you get middled down and.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
You see all those smart offensive coaches, and a lot
of those offensive coaches have power in the building. Sean
Payton McVeigh, those guys Andy Reid, they got power in
the building. Hey, Dan Campbell's got power in the building.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
So look at the rave is twenty seven man. That's
like a think about them with a.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Remember they're moving maybe off Mark Andrews. The Eagles may
be moving off Dallas Goddard. So I think that. I
think Colston Lovelin keep your eye on him. Somebody just said,
because his build is not your classic tight end, he's
not a blocker, no, but you can play around with
him all over the field.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And that's what the NFL has become.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
The Loveland camp has been Sam Laporta and the a
Mecca comp is. He's got some JS into him. I
know Seattle has been mocked with him. If you can
bring in one of these Day one tight ends or
receivers who can give you Day one contribution Loveland to
me could get a thousand yards is a rookie.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
A Mecca. A thousand yards is a rookie. There's not
that many guys in this class. Light.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, so this is something Sean Payton's talked about. There's
not a lot of star power in this draft. But
from about pick twenty three maybe twenty to the top
of the third round, you got about fifty guys who
can all play very early in the NFL. Daniel Jeremiah,
former scout with multiple teams, talked about that a month
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ago on our show.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's a starter's draft, not a star draft.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
I think Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter to me up there
at the top have some star potential for different reasons.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
But you know, for the most part, you're looking at starters.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
And when I evaluated draft when I was with teams
and the way I look at it now, if you
can find three starters in a draft, Colin, that's a
heck of a draft.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So, Colston, Lovelin and the Ohio State receiver, those guys
are really good players, ready to play. And I think
offensive coaches with power, veteran offensive coaches with some smoke
in the building are going to lean on that GM
and say, listen, this guy starts for us, like I mean,
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Travis Kelcey may play one more year for Kansas City, right, Okay,
you get one more year out of him.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Noah Gray's nice.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Noah Gray Loveland's a one potentially with the right offensive coach.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah. And also back to a Mecca. I actually talked to.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Brian Hartline about him, and he's at every receiver and
he said, a Mecca is one of the smartest. He's
the biggest leader. And to your point, Colin, we had
him a lot in the slot, he said, but he
can play outside. And that's that's the value of having
someone that really gets the position.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
That's a Mecca. Yep.
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Speaker 1 (32:51):
So the great financier Warren Buffett has aligned. It's great
to learn from mistakes, but better to learn from other
people's mistakes, so you don't have to make.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Him story out.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Today, Pooka Nakua was on Julian Edelman's podcast, and there's
all this talk now that brock Perties group his agent,
they're not interested. They want mid fives, fifty five million,
not in the forties. And Pooka Nakua with some rare honesty,
this is what people in the league think.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
He said it.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Rock Perdy.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
Is he gonna get a five?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I don't think so.
Speaker 12 (33:32):
Do you think he's gonna go with a four? He's
gonna start with a four? Yeah, high four? No, I
think mid mid for forty five, I think so. I mean,
I think if he does that, that'd be smart for
him and them. Yeah, I mean, I think he's he
seems like a smart guy.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I think he like there's still they have a chance
to still be in their window.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
And I think if if he goes for a five,
that the window closes.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
When did the Cowboys window Super Bowl window really close?
When they paid Dak the big money? What did Warren
Buffett say? It's one thing to learn from mistakes. It's
better to learn from somebody else's San Francisco look at
the Cowboys. The Dak Purty comps are very similar. They
both come in as lower round draft picks, cheap labor.
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They get starts because of injuries to other quarterbacks. Teammates
like them, good guys. They have very strong run games
to lean on good old lines, but really particularly strong
Zeke CMC run games. They win a lot, but boy,
when they lose a key offensive performer, they don't elevate
average people. They don't carry average players. Both are dependent
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on the advantages of their roster. Both have had offensive
coaches Dak with Jason Garrett McCarthy, brought Purty with Christian McCaffrey. Okay,
both Niners Cowboys big brands. So when they start winning,
the money pours in and the owner does not want
to disrupt the gravy train. The owner does not want
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to disrupt the momentum financially of branding. They're on TV,
the money's rolling in the crowds are packed, and the
coach Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy or Shanahan really likes that
a brock Perty or a Dack because they're lower draft
picks and grinders. That's the only way they make this league.
Grinding don't have big eels, so you're not dealing with
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an ego. You can kind of they're amenable to your voice.
You can kind of control McCarthy. Jason Garrett feel like
what I say we're gonna do, they're not gonna do
with Aaron Rodgers and wing it or roll their eyes
at your call. And so Dallas just look lower pick
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big brand. You win some regular season games, it's a
B talent, but when they come in and have that
star run game or Star runback where everybody is good,
when you're throwing on third and two and second and four,
everybody is good with protection in a great run game.
That's what we talked about. Ashton Jenz to the Raiders yesterday.
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Geno Smith with a run games actually really good. Geno
Smith without it is a ham and egger. And so
learn from what happened to Dallas the minute they paid
big money for Dak. They've never been a Super Bowl team.
You can convince themselves last two contracts. And I remember
sitting here on this set, and I've watched all the
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young media.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Give him the bag.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You give the bag the Lamar, Josh Burrow, Mahomes, Stafford,
maybe a Jalen Herd, c J.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You give the bag to those guys. Everybody else. You
got to win the negotiation. And even when you get
a Brady or a Manning or a Mahomes, you're much better.
Even with Brady and Mahomes when it's a team friendly deal.
Brady signed team friendly deals as good as Drew Brees,
is much better than perty. When Drew Brees took the
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bag in New Orleans for two years, the team wasn't
any good. And then Drew's like, I gotta renegotiate this deal.
We need more players. So Drew Brees and Sean Payton
could not win in that Wonky division for the two
years that Drew took the most money.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
See, you're gonna win in this division.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
The Rams right now have better players, all in their
going into their prime. The Rams aren't paying for anybody
on defense. The Rams have the better quarterback, arguably, the
better coach, arguably the better owner.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You pay big money here.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now you have eleven draft picks this year, so if
you hit on six of them, that really helps. Because
the Rams have been hitting on all their defensive draft picks.
And then they find Pooka Nkup in the fifth and
Kyen Williams in the fifth. They are stars that are
not paying either. So the Rams right now have them
much better if you, if you were honest about this,
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the Niners have more good, young, inexpensive talent for the
next three years. See, you can't pay brock Perty on
an annual basis significantly more than Matt Stafford makes because
Matt Stafford's a lot more talented. You can't do that.
So again, it's one thing to learn from your mistakes.
It's much better to learn from other people's mistakes. Dallas,
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you are staring at Dallas, and they waited, and they waited,
and they waited, and then they got trapped. Now I'll
just throw this out there. They brought Mac Jones in
from Jacksonville. Who's not gonna be a franchise guy. He's
a backup. I don't think it's crazy if one of
your eleven picks is a quarterback. I don't think it's
crazy at all. Kyle McCord, fourth round, Go get him.
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I mean, you got to clean up your own line,
and you got to get help in the secondary. I
don't think it's crazy for them to go out and
draft the quarterback, just saying but Puka Nakua. Yeah, now,
the Rams probably don't love him saying that because it's
a rival and the last thing you want to do
is poor gas on the fire. But he's not wrong,
he's absolutely And Julian Edelman also said, yeah, that'd be
better for him and the team.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
I just I think it's so refreshing when a star
player comes out and says what most of the league
is already thinking.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
He says, you know, it'd be smart for them to
give him.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Forty five Yes, not fifty four. I have no problem
with forty four million. I'm not saying you have to
pay him twelve. I'm saying the contract should be much
closer to Sam Darnold than it is.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Josh Allen, Yeah, it won't be. Yes, it's going to
start with the five. You know, it's not taking a
hometown this guy.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
This has always been an interesting conversation. I've talked about
this in the NBA. If my son was as good
as Jalen Green the Houston Rockets, I would have said,
go to Carolina. You're gonna get thirty million dollars in
free marketing and promotion. Now I don't know Jalen's financial situation,
but again, superstar basketball players at sixteen in this country
are not starving. They're being taken care of by multiple people.
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AU basketball, you know a lot of one hundred dollars handshakes.
So I'm not going to speak for anybody else's financial situation.
But if I was a quarterback, I think about this
all the time, and I'm twenty five, twenty six years old.
Your biggest contract is never your first. So I can
understand Brock pretty SAand guy I haven't made. I'm renting
an apartment right now. I get his angle on it.
(40:05):
But Brock, you take fifty eight. That forces the Niners
to nail eight of the eleven draft picks. This is
not a great draft, and the Niners, as much as
I love them, they've missed them a lot.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Of draft picks, first round draft picks. So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Maybe I'm taking as I have a talk show host
and I can talk forever. But I always think the
long play. I never want my bosses feeling like, man,
I took him to the eye.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah, I took him to the back to the watershed.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
If you're brock Perty, doesn't it make more sense to
sign for a little bit less now, win more later
and get the back end of their third contract? How
many times did Tom Brady renegotiate every year? Because you
want San Francisco to have a better roster, and we've
already seen it. We saw it the last couple of years,
especially last year where he didn't have all the weapons.
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Things didn't go great and the team stunk. So if
you're brock Perty, wouldn't it behoovie to take forty six
instead of fifty?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Well? Think about think about this.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So brock Perty's cap hit was only nine hundred thousand
dollars when they went to the Super Bowl. Do you
want it to be forty nine million dollars?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
That changes the roster.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
Changes the entire complexion of the direction of the franchise,
not just the roster, changes how you think about it
when you're building it. It's a totally different ballgame. And
they're Tipuka's point, they're headed toward that. Does he take
a home town.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I don't see it. I think he's going to go
for the fifty plus. That's that's that's.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, that's what his agent wants. And I again, I
understand it. Had he been a third round pick and
made a little bit of money, uh, you know, he
put a few million bucks in the market and owned
a home like he'd probably be And also he lives
in San Francisco, which is one of the most expensive
cities in the world. So I get the fact that
he's like, I'm renting an apartment. I'm the starting quarterback
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for the Niners. I need some cash here hour or
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