March 17, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin compares free agent quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson as they look to make their final decisions on which team to play for in 2025
The Warriors are the hottest team in the NBA
Plus, he talks to Michigan State head coach Tom Izzo about preparing for the Big Dance and adjusting to the modern landscape of college basketball
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh here we go in a rambunctious Monday live in
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of your day. One hour from now, Where Colin was right,
Where Colin was wrong. Tom Izzo, my friend and the
legendary Michigan State Spartan head basketball coaches, joining us this hour.
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Why I'm rooting for Izzo and Rick but Tino in
this tournament? Jmck I'll get to that in about five minutes.
The war remain on fire free Agency's mostly done. Hope
you had a great weekend. We checked out Friday. I
got Auburn with in the Natty. We'll give our picks
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in the second hour. I'm gonna go with Auburn. Is
there a team off the top you like?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh? Well, I love everything about the tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'll say Texas Tech team I like, but Auburn did
some trouble in round two.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'll just tell you that. Right now, Louisgo's got a
home game collin On.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So I gotta start with this. Though, for years and
years it was sort of understood that Russell Wilson and
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Eh, you know, they weren't.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Really into each other, and they were opposites. And then
as I look at all the stories that emerged over
the weekend, Vikings are going to pass. Looks like they're
going to pass on Aaron Rodgers. The Aaron Rodgers waiting
game in New York. Russell Wilson is ready to sign
and doesn't have a team. And it's funny Aaron and Russell.
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One is all worshiping of God and one push back
on his family's religion. One is hopelessly optimistic to the
point of cringey, and the other, let's be honest, he's
like a sad trombone in cleats half the time. And
yet here's Russell and Aaron in the same boat, a
little needy, and most of the league not interested yet
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yet to add another layer to that, and I'm sorry
for the radio audience. Since twenty twenty two, they are
identical quarterbacks. Wins, losses, completion percentage, touchdown, passeray, same guy,
no playoff wins since twenty twenty two. And if you
sign either, you're guaranteed something. With Russell a new slogan,
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let's ride. And with Aaron you will be notified very
quickly if he's in the room, you're the second smartest person.
And what you find with both is this is not
the NBA. It is not a player controlled league, even
if a player is a talented quarterback. It is a
league where drama and noise and occasional semi conflict is
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bad news, and you will tolerate it when a star
is in his prime. Fortunately, unlike the NBA, you just
don't get it much. In the NFL. Most quarterbacks good guys,
all about winning, great teammates, quality people, no nonsense. But
now I've always defended Russell Wilson because he was not
a grasses, greener guy. He wanted to stay in Seattle.
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They got rid of Russell, and I used to be
a huge fan, but Sean Payton bailed on him, Pete
Carroll bailed on him. And Mike Pate, Mike Tomlin just
bailed on at some point. There is something here that
coaches find it pretty easy to bail on Russell Wilson.
But it was never a grass is greener thing. Meanwhile,
Aaron was a Green Bay isn't doing me right thing,
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and the grass was incredibly green in Lambeau, but he
wanted something else. But it is remarkable to me how
these guys Aaron O was so sort of told, rolled
his eyes at Russ, and here was Russ, Hey, I'm
not like the guy in Green Bay. No drama here,
all about team, let it ride, go Hawks. They've kind
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of become the same guy in a sport where the shield,
the GM, the coach runs the show. If you're scene
is a little high maintenance, whether it's passive, aggressive or cringiness,
most of the league is going to pass on you.
So Tom is, oh, later this hour, I will tell
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you I've got Obviously I'm a huge ISO fan, Mark
few college basketball is more about the coach. And in
a year we don't have Yukon this year, we don't
have a thirty seven and three team, we don't have
a we don't have a you know, Duke has some
NBA guys. Last year, Yukon is one of the I mean, honestly,
it's one of the best college basketball teams we've had
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in over ten years. I mean, they were blowing people out,
including an excellent coach and an excellent He had an
excellent Purdude team in the Natty. Like like last year,
it was an easy one. I pick Yukon. I mean,
you could watch him once, but they look like an
NBA team, big physical. A team I'm rooting for this
year is Saint John's a dead program. I'm rooting for
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Rick Patino, and I think they have a chance to
win it. He is the story and we see this
a lot in America of a really talented guy that
kind of screwed his life up. There is an argument
he is, along with John Wooden, coach Kay and a
few others, the greatest college basketball coach. Ever, what is
this his seventh final four potentially six programs. He's gotten
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into March madness and he's taken over some dumpster fires.
Now he's gotten a little help from the richest Saint
John's alum, the cat who created vitamin water, has sprinkled
a little green Vitamins into Saint John's nil. So they
went and bought some good players. But what Rick Patino is,
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He's kind of got a Build Marsels feel, an Urban
Meyer feel, a Jim Harbaugh feel. He's got a formula,
coaches hard, great eye for talent, teams play suffocating defense.
He's situationally brilliant. And here is his team again going
into the tournament. He is a turnaround wizard, and a
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lot of programs they didn't want anything to do with
Rick Mattino if you go look at his coaching turnarounds,
which I'm putting on the screen here. I never thought
when he was coaching the Celtics or Kentucky he'd end
up at Iona and a dead Saint John's program. But
you know, he's a brilliant basketball coach, and occasionally his
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moral compass has flipped around a little bit, hasn't gone
as north as you'd prefer so. But what's interesting with Patino,
and this is what's fascinating kind of about life, as
his strength because of his kind of mess ups, is
his flexibility, his mobility, his ability to be thrown into
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turbulence and course correct the program overnight and for years
and years a college basketball coach would go to a
program like Dean Smith and you just didn't leave. You
stayed there forever. But now with a transfer portal in
the NIL, and so many college basketball coaches saying, enough
of this nonsense, I'm out of here Patino. The sport
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is leaning into Patino his specialty, the salesman with a
brilliant basketball mind. Right, a lot of guys in coaching,
they don't want to be a salesman. They love basketball.
We've seen a Boston college football coach last year say
I don't want to be a salesman. I want to
be a football coach, went to the Packers. Most coaches
are like that. A lot of great coaches, Jay Wright
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had plenty of years left. They want to do all
this NIL and transfer portal. It's just exhausting, and he
become like a pro GM. But actually, if you look
at Patino's career, it plays right into his strength. You
can throw him into any room and he can sell Rick,
he can sell basketball, he can sell his ideology and
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his knowledge. And the sport now is built for Rick Patino.
And I'm going to root for Saint John's because a
lot of really smart people occasionally in life screw up.
That's that's the world we live in. We can be
an avalanche and bury him, or we can say, well,
well are you gonna do? Put him in jail. So
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I am all for Saint John's. I think it's great
for the sport. I love to see New York City
care about college basketball because I grew up in the
Pacific Northwest and my favorite conference wasn't the Pac twelve,
it was the Big East. You had Rowley and John
Thompson and Louis Carnaseca and they've been trying to get
Saint John's going for years and the facilities still aren't great,
but they got a big booster, they got some money,
and they have arguably the best coach in college basketball,
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and he's heading to the ornament once again.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Here's Rick.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You are a New Yorker. You delivered on your promise
to New York.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
What's your message of New York City as you headed
the Big Dance.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Well, we've built this program now into a solid foundation.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now we're going to take off. This garden's packed every night.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I always say to the NCAA have been knocked out in
the first round of it, the seven final fours and
nobody knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Play it one game at a time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now, last year we all kind of knew what was
going to happen. Yukon was going to end up in
the Final four and be favored in national Championship. But
I think this year is a year for an Izzo.
Keep your eye on the coaches, cause I Auburn is
the best team I saw, but Florida now is hotter.
The SEC is completely stacked. I have two teams in
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the SEC going to the Final four. Wouldn't be shocked
if there was three. I would not be shocked if
there were three SEC teams. I said this two months
ago with Jmac on the air. I watched them SEC
basketball in January. I'm like, it doesn't even look like
any other conference. It is sixth best team is great.
So I'm my bracket's got a lot of excellent veteran
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coaches moving up and moving out over players where I
think there's just a lot of sameness. But I can't
wait to see Patino tom is oh later this hour
and oh, by the way, the Warriors won again this
weekend with Jimmy Butler, the hottest team in the NBA.
You love j Mack, you love the tournament, you bet
the tournament. You're the only guy that's that follows Creighton
Basketball's depth chart. So I'm gonna go. I do think
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coaching is going to be really important. I also think
all these SEC teams, these Floridas, these Tennessees, these Auburns,
They've all played each other all year, and I think
there it reminds me a little bit of growing up
when the ACC or the Big East was stacked. I
think the SEC those teams have been planning like tournament
level intensity for the last month.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah, and you know I've mentioned this many times to you.
I'm a multi bracket guy. I'm like, it's still out
twenty brackets. Some of them will have three SEC teams
in the final four.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You're a one bracket guy. I'm trying to get you
off that tough team.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I got two SEC teams in the final four?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Interest two?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, And do you have Duke in there?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Uh No, I do not have Duke favorable draw of
any of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, I have. I have one dark horse in the tournament.
I'm not gonna give it away. Now give it away.
Next hour.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
The staff got me onto who your dark horses. I'm
not going to say anything.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It ain't that dark.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Don't love it. Don't love it, Colin, I'll be honest
with you. But it should be a fun week.
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Speaker 1 (11:39):
Tom Izzo, Michigan state coach, going to be joining us
end of this hour. I am. I am rooting for
Rick Patino among other people. I think it's going to
be very interesting. I think it's kind of wide open.
I think guess SEC teams are going to do really
well in it. I do one bracket. I thought last
year was much easier. We knew Purdue was really good
with Zach Eaty unstoppable and coaches tell us on the show,
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you can't stop me, He's unstoppable, and Yukon was unbelievable. Yukon.
You just you realize how good Yukon was last year.
Thirty seven and three is where they ended when you
watch this year's team, where the team struggled to generate,
you know, offense. All those Yukon guys went into the
NBA and I think three of them are crushing. So
that was a different level team that was like an
old school college basketball team. These teams has a lot
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of coin flips on Florida, Tennessee, Auburn just from the SEC.
So I'll tell you whether there's not a coin flip.
I think it's an incredible story. The Warriors are now
fourteen and two since Jimmy Butler arrived, and he's not
shooting the ball, well, it's all the other stuff he
adds to the team. And Draymond Green had a pretty
blunt description of what Jimmy Butler has brought to the Dubs.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's a real ball club.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now you know him on this scene was the heve
eleven points two or thirties. They make us a real
ball club. When we're a real ball club, were usually
were temporships. You know, the Warriors are starting to feel
as Jama sort of snickers at that, but he's right
that one team with Andrew Wiggins that beat the Celtics
was feeling like a real ball club. The Warriors are
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starting to feel like a fashion trend. Just when you
think they're uncool, they arrive again. It's like bell bottoms. Yeah,
nobody wears them. Then Kendrick Lamar the Super Bowl has them.
Everybody's like, oh, bell Bottoms are back. That's the Warriors.
And you look at the NFL and if you have
a really good coach and a quarterback, you're always okay.
Well that's Steve Kerr and Steph Curry. As long as
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they're still near their prime. Warriors are always going to
be fine if they're healthy and have a legit number two.
And I was thinking about this over the weekend watching
them beat the Knicks in a really good game. I said,
here is why Jimmy Butler is a great fit. Because
when you look at the Warriors, because of Steph and
the Splash Brothers and Kad, you think of them as
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fun and glossy and flashy. But this team has had
a chip on its shoulder and anger and a resilience.
Because of the makeup of the team, Steph Curry was overlooked,
doubted went to Davidson, too small the Warriors. The Warriors
didn't know here. Monte Ellis was the future. Draymond Green
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second round pick, undersized what to do with him. Steve
Kerr tragedy in his family lost his father, got into
a fight with MJ. I covered him in Portland. Feisty
is the word, along with intelligence I would use for
one of the great coaches in league history, Steve is
OHA's up to conflict and getting in your face. It's
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what makes him great. And then there's Jimmy Butler, juco
tough childhood, bounced around the league. But if you look
at all of them, Draymond, Steph, Kerr, Butler, they're winners.
They don't run from conflict. KD did that. We'll all
get in your face, hey, Steph. Steph does not like losing.
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Trash talker, likes to taunt a little bit. And I
think Jimmy Butler is a perfect fit for this team.
There's a little bit of an anger and a resilience.
MJ had it, Brady had it. But we watched the
Warriors and they're so fun and they're so flashy that
we don't we think of them as sort of like,
you know, guys having fun shooting threes. Nope, they're much
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more similar to that Michael Jordan's MJ Bulls team that
always played with a little anger. They play with it too.
They just shoot the ball better. Jimmy Butler had a
quote this week he goes, when it's my time, you'll
know it's my time. Until then, I'm going to pass
the ball to the open man, get my guys jumpers,
get him out in transition. What's remarkable he's only averaging
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sixteen points for the Warriors, shooting just twenty two percent
from three, and they're fourteen in two since he arrived.
It's that resilience, the toughness, the chip on his shoulder,
which is what Draymond has, which is what step Soowe
has still had, and that fight in Steve Kerr. This
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organization is not all fluff and three pointers. There's a
lot of tough minded conflict resolution in your face. KD
wasn't comfortable. Nobody else left. KD wasn't comfortable with it
because KD. Yeah, maybe he'd rather talk about it on Twitter. Maybe,
but this team will get right in your face. And
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I think Butler's perfect for Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline news right.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I know it's NCAA tournament week, but we'll starting with
the NFL and the big news over the weekend. Jordan
Schultz broke it. Congrats to him, Jamar Chase and t.
Higgins are locked into long term deals to stay in Cincinnati. Listen,
I know this Hllary CAP's going up a calm. This
is getting a little silly. Jamar Chase forty years, one
hundred and sixty to one mil.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's a lot. But it also there's a story out
there talking now to Hendrickson so that if they if
they pay all four of their best players. I got
no complaints one hundred and.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Twelve million guaranteed for Chase making him the and this
is starting to get dumb. Okay, highest paid none quarterback
in the league. This is some ego status game that
players are playing. Because it was Max Crosby had to
get it. Then Miles Garrett, oh got Jamar Chase. Micah
Parsons is waiting. It's so stupid.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, but you know what I'm seeing on this list?
What jamarchis, Miles Garrett, Crosby, Jefferson, Bosa, CD Lamb. You
know what I'm seeing on this non playoff teams? No
guys who are great and wildly productive. I have no
This list doesn't bother me at all. Justin Jefferson, Miles, Jamar,
Max Nick, and Cede Lamb.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
When Hubery how many guys on that list, the top
six that you see on the screen. How many were
in the playoffs last year?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Just how many?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
How many you have money you got to spend it
on somebody, I, as a general manager, would have re
signed every one of these players for that money.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't disagree with you, But what are you complaining about.
It's not a complaint.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think it's a discussion. It's like the way you
build a team is interesting. The salary cat's going up, right,
so that means the star players get more. But as
we're seeing, you can't play that, pay the star guys
at the top and build a good.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, well, I'll balance faster. All of those guys that
you look at. We can put that list up again.
They were all drafted by that team. They're not buying
guys in free agency. These were guys the teams drafted
most in the first round. The players delivered on the promise,
and the team said we're going to reward you. I
have no problem drafting a guy he becomes arguably the
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best player been. I'll pay those guys one hundred out
of a hundred eight.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I agree. Now, are you applying the same to the NBA?
When it comes to Jalen Brown making seventy million.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But here again, I'll say this about Jaylen Brown or
the Celtics. I swear to the God, the guy gets better
every year. He's a dog, plays on ball, fends super smart.
Uh will pass up shots to hot teammates. I mean,
I've seen him step aside for Derek White. I paid
Jaylen Brown. Now is it weird to pay two guys
all that money? But you have to remember between sports,
gambling and television contracts these leagues, Now, there are so
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much money in the NFL. You're watching teams pay guards
huge money and two years later just walk away from them.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
All right, So we're not done. T Higgins actually got
a four year deal one hundred and fifteen mil.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Garrett, but again deal super productive in Burrow. Burrow made
a point of addressing this multiple times. Some of those says,
you gotta make Burrow.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You've got to make Burrough happy. Okay, do you remember?
And a lot of the audience might be too young.
The Dan Marino Miami Dolphins in the eighties, they had
Mark Duper and Mark Clayton, Mark's brothers.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
They went to the Super Bowl. They were awesome that
was their offense. No, there's their team. Those three guys
were their time. They never got back to a Super Bowl. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Know if this is gonna work. I applaud Cincinnati for
rolling the dice. Oh no, but I'm very curious Collen.
Could they have set to Carolina hate. We'll give you
t Higgins give us the eighth overall pick. We'll give
you a third, you give us a fourth. Whatever the
package works, and you pay Teah. I need cheaper guys, because,
as Philadelphia has showed you, you need to draft well
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development as a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, all these owners got a four hundred and fifty
million dollar check from the NFL this year. That doesn't
count your attendance. That doesn't count your parking, that doesn't
count your merchandise, that doesn't count your food. Every family
that owns an NFL team four hundred and fifty million
dollar check. If I'm Cincinnati and you say you got
to pay four guys, Hey, why do you only have
to pay four guys? No, No, I'm saying, or they
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leave they're all I mean, I like Hendrickson Leaves.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Could you get eight guys to produce the same as
before for the same amount of money.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Who just won the Super Bowl? Do you remember who?
He just won the Super Bowl? Philadelpia, A team with
seven great players. You have to have great players the borough.
The Bengals today have four great players. Philly's got eight.
But I'm not letting my great guys go for a
fourth round receiver from Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Philly's got more likely ten good players. But you need.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Great players to win it. You know, the Niners for
six years kept getting the Super Bowl life. They have
like eight great players. The Rams had Donald Ramsey, Stafford.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Cup Garoppolo, they had cheap rock perty.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You and I just different. My thing is I draft you,
you're great, I take care of you. I'm not going
to debate that. If I get top heavy, so be it.
But what I won't do is going to free agency
and pay for somebody like the Bears. I thought had
a good free agency, but that's because they kept whiffing
on their picks. That's what you don't want.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I would take Joe Tooney on any team in the league,
and I think the Bears benefit from it. But you
know who really benefited from Touney The Patriots. Yeah, I mean,
that's who really benefited who draft and developed him.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I do have to ask, are people copying the Rams
a little bit late?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Remember the Rams with the top heavy what was it
those picks or whatever the derbiage was, and they went
Stafford Cup I think, Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey,
and they were like, we're just going top heavy, and
it worked.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
They got the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I feel like the Bengals are doing that, but like
three years too late, and I think now you need
a little bit more balance as the league has gotten
a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, what hurts the Bengals is they don't pay money
for a huge scouting staff. So Philadelphia's got twice the
scouting staff Baltimore does. So if you have a really
great scouting staff with a lot of money. The Rams
have a lot of money, big scouting staff. Eagles have
a lot of money, big scouting staff. It's funny how
the Rams and the Eagles draft so well. The Bengals
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have been hit and miss on drafting. Go to their
website and look at their scouting department, and look at
the Eagles. So signing your players is one thing, and
let's be honest, a lot of the Bengals best players
were obvious. Everybody knew Burrow was great, Everybody knew Jamar
Chase was great. Like T. Higgins came out of Clemson.
Everybody loved T Higgins out of college. So it's not
like they found gems in the sixth round, with which
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some team have done. But I just think every team's
getting a four hundred and fifty million dollar check. You
have to make choices. The Bengals, if they're gonna pay
their four best players, I can live with that choice.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Can you live without making the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'd prefer too, but I can live with it.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I guess Colin final question, like when you look at
how Cincinnati's made up, like you can't name.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Three of their defenders right, Like the.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Defense gave up. They just hemorrhage points all season. It's
putting a lot of pressure on Burrow. They basically have
no room for error.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
If T.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Higgins goes down for four games, I'm trying to shraft
it to try if Jamar Chase miss and guess what
Burrow has missed a bunch of games.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
T Higgins Like, if.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
They drafted better, they'd be fine. But with a scout
small scouting department. They haven't drafted particularly great, and that's
the spot you're in if you're Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Next story is another wide receiver deal, and that's Cooper Cup,
the former Rams receivers headed to Seattle, technically headed home.
He got a three year, forty five million dollar deal.
Cup is from Yakama, Washington.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Talk about that area and he attended Eastern Washington. Yeah,
so he's now going to be an option for Sam Darnold.
They have JSN. I guess we'll move out of the
slot to the outside.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
This is a lot of money for a guy that
no longer separates and they have to fil I think
Seattle looks at it and thinks, with our draft picks,
we have got to solve number one. Are offensive line
number one?
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And they look at Cooper Cup, meaning all right, we've
got a number two or at number three. So I
think you make choices in free agency. For instance, the
Rams and free agency gud went went and got Devonte Adams,
signaling unless something falls to them, they may not draft
a receiver in the first couple picks. Now they may
have something falls to them in the first round, but
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I mean teams send you signals when you signed Devonte Adams.
What you're saying is, we don't love this wide receiver draft.
We don't think there's an impact guy in the first round,
and we need an impact wide receiver. So Bear's telling
you we got to get better on the O line,
and it's got a great O line year. So everybody
sends you so in free agency, and I that's what
I I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I don't hate the signing.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
He has familiarity in the division, knows the opposing defensive
coordinators and the dbs, so cup should have success there.
But this to me is still like a six or
seven more team. I don't know you like them and going.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To the playoffs ten wins Sammy Darnold both playoffs again.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Final story more NFL News. They're just giving.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Out contracts like candy here unbelievable. Adam Schefter is reporting
the Houston Texans have given Derek Stingley Junior a three year,
ninety million dollar a XAP.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
He's a great player.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
They drafted him sixty three and a half million of
new guarantees. Here we go, Stingley becomes the highest paid
quarterback in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You gotta play pretty.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Good you have to make that note, surpassing J C.
Hornh just did it last week, this whole like, I've
got to get my guy out there and put this
out there so he can like you.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Can again, they drafted him. I think he got banged
up a little early. But he's a great, great player.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I'll give Houston credit smart to get this done before
that Tross Gardner, before Michael Posters, right, because you know
they're now going to their agent.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I gotta get more. I'm better first round. I think
he's a first round pick. Has absolutely delivered arguably the
most talented young carter after Patrick's Artam, WHOA wow, it's
really good, really good player.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I know there's a Houston fan on staff getting in
your ear about this, and our staff.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Put together a little charge here.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
L 's u's twenty nineteen national title team. Burrow, Jefferson,
Chase and Stingley all got nassive.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, that's the most talented college roster ever. I don't
think it's the best team, but I think it's the
most talented college roster.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Hugh roster with Jameis Winston that had like twenty two
of twenty four starters something insane like that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Make the pros.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But this team was loaded with high end NFL guys.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Oh major, Listen, I guess I can't hate it. Three years,
ninety million, whatever. Congrats to Stingley.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Listen, he's a top five, top six corner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh yeah, top six for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
One of us is willing to pay.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I like, listen. I'm I'm down for paying, but.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Sounds like it.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The Bengals One's interesting because.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I know some people are gonna say, j Mak, you'd
be killing him if they didn't, if they didn't sign Higgins.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And they traded him.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'm a moneyball believer calling it. You can do stuff
on the cheap.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Okay, First, those a's teams never want one.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Stingley last year was fifth. Pff. You know where Sauce
Gardner was.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
He didn't have a great year.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Thirty seconds?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Okay, fine, you going off one year? He did the
other two years matter.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
All I care about? Are you great? Now? Stingley's great today,
had a good year in a contract year.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Let's see if he shows up next year.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But after he's got his money, old haterra Jmak with
a news.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
There are certain arguments in sports we should just put
to bed. You know, forever it was thes Pete Rose
a Hall of Famer. They get tired, they're cliched. It's
exhausting and you kind of grow up at some point.
Here's another one. I can't believe blankety blank team didn't
get in and instead blankety blank other mediocre team did.
(28:19):
It's a television show. Once you get down to the
final one or two teams all take a Carolina good
branding over West Virginia. Sorry, I'm not losing sleep. It's
an inexact science. I've said. When you're talking about the
top four seeds, that's a different ballgame. But if you're
talking the last team to get in West Virginia North Carolina,
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I'm sorry. I know you couch college basketball experts think
the Mountaineers should get in. But more teams make this
tournament than any tournament in America, and nobody was snubbed.
West Virginia just didn't win enough. They weren't good enough.
What you have to do in life is get out
of arguments. Be too good to even qualify for the
(28:59):
r argument. Yeah, North Carolina very good early, didn't do
good against the Quad ones man. Since twenty eighteen, outside
of eight and nine matchups, which have always been a
coin flip, the committee gets it right seventy four percent
of the time the favorites win. I know, you're all
absolutely sure that VCU didn't get the respect they deserve.
(29:23):
A boy, I mean, in college football, some of you
lost your mind. How can you not have Indiana in? Yeah,
they got in in football and were embarrassing. Okay, and
that's the twelfth team. I'm just not losing sleep over
Carolina getting in in West Virginia not getting in. Nobody
plays victim more than college basketball coach on the hot
(29:46):
seat or college administrator defending his program. Nobody plays victim
like that, And especially when you find, like you know,
jocks who went to the school to their school. Everybody's
a victim. I said before CBS, TNT, all these networks
that pay billions of dollars for this tournament. They get
(30:09):
us say in the seating chart too, you know, And
if it comes down to the last team and it's
a coin flip, I'll take Carolina. Let's go for it.
Would you be shocked if they want to gain it's
a play in game.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But I mean it's like one of those arguments in sports.
Are we still arguing about this stuff? Like it's not
worth the diatribe? Tom Izzo is around the corner, March madness.
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
Coaches in college basketball and a friend and how lucky
are we? I asked the guys, I said, just get me.
Just get me is on mart few and I'm Good
and Tom Izzo thirty seasons at Michigan State, eight Final
four appearances. Okay, I've watched you play four times. You
defend the three, you don't shoot it particularly well. Okay,
(32:00):
I'm just being fair. Your team's always defend, they rebound,
they're tough, like Patino. You coach your players hard and
they respond to it. What about this team? What's the
secret sauce about this team? That why you like them?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
They're connected, you know, and everybody talks about being connected, Colin, but.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
This team is really connected. It's been connected and you know,
we've kind.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Of put our egos aside and everybody's playing for each other,
and that doesn't always happen. We're playing nine to ten
guys where we do rebound pretty well, we actually score
it pretty well, we shoot free throws well, and yes,
you are correct, you did your scouting report. Did not
shoot them three very well. But the last two three
weeks we've been moving up drastically from the three, and
(32:49):
if we can get that down, I think we could
really do some damage.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know, it's funny. A lot of coaches, my buddy
Jay Wright, like, I think there's a lot of coaches
that look at nil and transfer portal and go get
me out of here. And I don't know if Jay
did that, but I think, you know, Jay's such a
great guy. But you have kind of said, like, hey,
this is the world. I can complain or I can adapt.
Why have you with all this fluctuation? Why are you
(33:16):
still Michigan State? Why are you still good? Why have
you adapted so easily?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Well, since you were honest with me about my three
point shooting, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
I don't like it for a lot of reasons, especially
in the transferred portal. I think more kids are gonna
get hurt. But that's another story on another day. But
like Jay right, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys
are friends of mine. They decided to go another way.
I'm too dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess
I just I just figured that I got to get
back to the basics. Last year, I was on all
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kinds of committees. I worried about it. This year, I
kind of stuck the coach in my team. And I've
been lucky. I got some good players. I got a
couple of guys that have elevated their game.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I got one of my former stars, Jason Richardson son,
who has really elevated his game.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
And uh, but you got a player's son from the
past that even means you're getting older.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You survived. Oh, and I don't know what you know.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's interesting years ago. It's funny about the tournament. Everybody
loves Florida, and I said, be very careful hot teams.
It doesn't translate all the time. You got to be
can For years and years, everybody always said you got
to have great guard, play well you know what does
matter in your years of doing this, is there one
or two things that absolutely translate from regular season to March.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, you know, I'm a big football guy. I love football,
and I think in football, you know, at the end.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Of the day, yes, still all the fancy stuff comes
and goes. You still got to be able to block
and tackle and not turn the ball over. Well, and
you ask me. And basketball you still gotta be able
to defend and run and you can't turn the ball over.
So there are some things that are similar no matter
what sport you're in. Ours is a little different because
that damn ball's got to go in the basket sooner
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or later.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You could run all the best offense. If the final
shot doesn't go in, it hurts.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
But I think what translates defense carries just like it
does in all other sports, whether it's hockey, baseball, basketball,
or football. We've been pretty solid. That's why I think
we've had a pretty good run. But you know, getting
to the free throw line, I think matters and making
shots because in the tournament you get down to the
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nitty gritty and people are following you, so you got
to be able to make free throws.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Which we can do on the three point line. We're improving.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Listen, I'm not a scout. I just watched your games
and I'm like, Okay, that's not what they do. You know.
It's interesting. I was talking to Mark View Friday and
when I've talked to Mark privately, and I'm like, hey,
do you ever steal stuff from coaches? And He's like,
oh God, yes, I take stuff from everybody. When you've
been around as long as you've been, do you ever
find yourself during the court You're sitting at home and
(36:05):
all of a sudden, you watch a game and you're like, oh,
I must steal that. I like that inbounds play?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Do you do that?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I'm so dumb. And Mark Few and I are good friends.
We're both on these committees that we just went through
all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But I'm so dumb. I not only steal it, but
I name it after the team I steal it from.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
So if I got a Zags player, if I got
a seventy six Ers player, a Lakers.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Play, it's because I stole it from them.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
So my plays are named after a lot of people,
are a lot of teams, which means I'm stealing a
lot yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So listen, I watched the SEC this year and I
said this, I picked Auburn to win it, and I said,
I think it helps when your conference is good because
you get battle tested, you're in close games. Is there
I ask everybody this? In fact, I asked few about this,
and he said, Houston, is there a team you either
played or scouted that you've looked at and you think
(37:04):
to yourself today, yeah, I'd rather not see them until
maybe the final four. Who's a team that guys like
me won't pay attention to, but you've seen them and
you're like, yeah, that team's trouble.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Well, it's interesting, Mark said, Houston. Believe it or not,
I replaced Kelvin Samson here as a GA. He used
to work for jud Heathcote many years ago. And I
think my teams are tough and pretty good defensively. I
think his teams are insane. They're like the eighty five
or six Bears, whatever it was. You know, they're phenomenal
(37:39):
defensive team.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
They got toughness. What he's done is he's added the
three point shot and now they're a better shooting team.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
So I'd have to agree with Mark. They're one of
but I saw Auburn in person.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
We didn't play them, but I saw him. They were impressive.
Florida has been impressive as of late. I still think
the Alabamas, but I I played against them last year.
I think Tennessee still brings those intangibles. Yeah, they have toughness,
they're well coached. Rick is a great coach, and they're
(38:14):
really really good defensively.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Tom, it was a politician's answer. I gave you a
bunch of them.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
By the way, I see right behind you you have lunch.
So you look fantastic for your age. What do you
have back there? Vegetables? A kale salad? What are you
having for lunch?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's a salad man. You got good eyes. Your scutting
reports are pretty good. You got that. We catch you
threes and I eat salad for lunch. This is a
hell of a deal man.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Tom is the great. Tom is Oh, good luck coach,
Thanks for coming on the herd.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thanks going say aboudy all right?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Tom is oh a great coach. I actually have j Mack.
I have Tennessee in my final four.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Interesting, I also have a ridiculous dark horse. Oh ahead,
I get into I I want to save it for
the audience tomorrow, no later, in the next hour. I
gotta give you the audience some gems. I have Auburn
winning it. I do have Tennessee in the final four.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Okay, I can't hate it. No, no love for Cooper
Flag and Duke. How good did Duke look without Cooper
Flag in the a SEC tournament.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I know the AEC wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Anybody can go total chop. You have to have at
least a four seed in there?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
What the minimum is?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
A four seed? Well, I mean that's historically not a
lot of five seeds get in, like last year NC State,
two years ago.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Fau like, somebody always sneaks it.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I have a sneaky team.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
They sneaky as you see San Diego.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
God, everybody is on that wait.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I talked about him last weekend. Michigan, Yeah, I already
bet it money line and with the points.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Michigan's big.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
They are big, but they have any depth.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
And there's a history of Big ten tournament teams trying
super hard in the Big ten tournament where you scout
well and you care four games and four days and
then you've got to turn around and play quickly.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
You know what let down?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know, it's ridiculous. College basketball is the only sport
where your conference tournament means nothing. Well, I mean like Michigan. Well,
Michigan got a fifth seed, didn't they They won the tournament,
didn't get anything.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Michigan is very big, as you see San Diego
that just became a Division one couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Now, they're a great story that the athletic had an
awesome story on them.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
This is gonna sound so nerdy.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I stole some of his coaching principles and applied it
to my kids youth basketball leagues. They do this no
middle defense where everybody keeps a.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Foot in the paint.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
We're not giving a playoff. You're not getting in the
late even though they have no size, and it works great.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Uh listen, man, that sounds like.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
The wildcat offense. That's what its no middle defense. I
guarantee you it'll work for a week.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
That's all you need, well, three weeks to win the title.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
You see, they're not they're not winning the title obviously.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So I've watched Michigan State. Michigan State's the kind of
team that's gonna win multiple gay they play too hard,
they play defense, they rebound, they just don't shoot three.
So that's not what they do.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
They gotta get Jason Richardson's kids more shots. There is
those a little too balanced. No, we gotta we got
to sub him out and get all these Richardson's a stud.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
That kid is awesome. We's got to get more shots,
keep him on the floor.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
This is such a fun time of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
This is the greatest.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, there's only one time of the year. I don't
talk to my wife about finances. It's this weekend. You know.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm gonna go ahead and guess Aaron Rodgers makes a
decision like Thursday or Friday, because it's got to be
about Aaron all the time, you know. And he's gonna
try to steal the thunder from them.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
That felt like a little haws your boy doing.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Is he in a dark mis retreat? I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Boy, A lot of shots fired, I am you know
what is he might bump into him at Arawon here
in Malibu. You gotta be very careful.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I'm not going to Malibu. All the earthquakes are hitting
over there.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I had a shaker yesterday.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, I didn't feel it.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
Oh I did.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I did locked in on brackets, so.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I thought it was the gin and soda. It was
just it was just a default line. Hour two Nagat.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
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Oh here we go in a rambunctious Monday live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. One hour from now, Where Colin was right,
Where Colin was wrong. Tom Izzo, my friend and the
legendary Michigan State Spartan head basketball coaches, joining us this hour.
(00:49):
Why I'm rooting for Izzo and Rick but Tino in
this tournament? Jmck I'll get to that in about five minutes.
The war remain on fire free Agency's mostly done. Hope
you had a great weekend. We checked out Friday. I
got Auburn with in the Natty. We'll give our picks
(01:10):
in the second hour. I'm gonna go with Auburn. Is
there a team off the top you like?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh? Well, I love everything about the tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'll say Texas Tech team I like, but Auburn did
some trouble in round two.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'll just tell you that. Right now, Louisgo's got a
home game collin On.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So I gotta start with this. Though, for years and
years it was sort of understood that Russell Wilson and
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Eh, you know, they weren't.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Really into each other, and they were opposites. And then
as I look at all the stories that emerged over
the weekend, Vikings are going to pass. Looks like they're
going to pass on Aaron Rodgers. The Aaron Rodgers waiting
game in New York. Russell Wilson is ready to sign
and doesn't have a team. And it's funny Aaron and Russell.
(01:57):
One is all worshiping of God and one push back
on his family's religion. One is hopelessly optimistic to the
point of cringey, and the other, let's be honest, he's
like a sad trombone in cleats half the time. And
yet here's Russell and Aaron in the same boat, a
little needy, and most of the league not interested yet
(02:19):
yet to add another layer to that, and I'm sorry
for the radio audience. Since twenty twenty two, they are
identical quarterbacks. Wins, losses, completion percentage, touchdown, passeray, same guy,
no playoff wins since twenty twenty two. And if you
sign either, you're guaranteed something. With Russell a new slogan,
(02:42):
let's ride. And with Aaron you will be notified very
quickly if he's in the room, you're the second smartest person.
And what you find with both is this is not
the NBA. It is not a player controlled league, even
if a player is a talented quarterback. It is a
league where drama and noise and occasional semi conflict is
(03:03):
bad news, and you will tolerate it when a star
is in his prime. Fortunately, unlike the NBA, you just
don't get it much. In the NFL. Most quarterbacks good guys,
all about winning, great teammates, quality people, no nonsense. But
now I've always defended Russell Wilson because he was not
a grasses, greener guy. He wanted to stay in Seattle.
(03:27):
They got rid of Russell, and I used to be
a huge fan, but Sean Payton bailed on him, Pete
Carroll bailed on him. And Mike Pate, Mike Tomlin just
bailed on at some point. There is something here that
coaches find it pretty easy to bail on Russell Wilson.
But it was never a grass is greener thing. Meanwhile,
Aaron was a Green Bay isn't doing me right thing,
(03:48):
and the grass was incredibly green in Lambeau, but he
wanted something else. But it is remarkable to me how
these guys Aaron O was so sort of told, rolled
his eyes at Russ, and here was Russ, Hey, I'm
not like the guy in Green Bay. No drama here,
all about team, let it ride, go Hawks. They've kind
(04:10):
of become the same guy in a sport where the shield,
the GM, the coach runs the show. If you're scene
is a little high maintenance, whether it's passive, aggressive or cringiness,
most of the league is going to pass on you.
So Tom is, oh, later this hour, I will tell
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you I've got Obviously I'm a huge ISO fan, Mark
few college basketball is more about the coach. And in
a year we don't have Yukon this year, we don't
have a thirty seven and three team, we don't have
a we don't have a you know, Duke has some
NBA guys. Last year, Yukon is one of the I mean, honestly,
it's one of the best college basketball teams we've had
(04:54):
in over ten years. I mean, they were blowing people out,
including an excellent coach and an excellent He had an
excellent Purdude team in the Natty. Like like last year,
it was an easy one. I pick Yukon. I mean,
you could watch him once, but they look like an
NBA team, big physical. A team I'm rooting for this
year is Saint John's a dead program. I'm rooting for
(05:15):
Rick Patino, and I think they have a chance to
win it. He is the story and we see this
a lot in America of a really talented guy that
kind of screwed his life up. There is an argument
he is, along with John Wooden, coach Kay and a
few others, the greatest college basketball coach. Ever, what is
this his seventh final four potentially six programs. He's gotten
(05:38):
into March madness and he's taken over some dumpster fires.
Now he's gotten a little help from the richest Saint
John's alum, the cat who created vitamin water, has sprinkled
a little green Vitamins into Saint John's nil. So they
went and bought some good players. But what Rick Patino is,
(05:59):
He's kind of got a Build Marsels feel, an Urban
Meyer feel, a Jim Harbaugh feel. He's got a formula,
coaches hard, great eye for talent, teams play suffocating defense.
He's situationally brilliant. And here is his team again going
into the tournament. He is a turnaround wizard, and a
(06:21):
lot of programs they didn't want anything to do with
Rick Mattino if you go look at his coaching turnarounds,
which I'm putting on the screen here. I never thought
when he was coaching the Celtics or Kentucky he'd end
up at Iona and a dead Saint John's program. But
you know, he's a brilliant basketball coach, and occasionally his
(06:43):
moral compass has flipped around a little bit, hasn't gone
as north as you'd prefer so. But what's interesting with Patino,
and this is what's fascinating kind of about life, as
his strength because of his kind of mess ups, is
his flexibility, his mobility, his ability to be thrown into
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turbulence and course correct the program overnight and for years
and years a college basketball coach would go to a
program like Dean Smith and you just didn't leave. You
stayed there forever. But now with a transfer portal in
the NIL, and so many college basketball coaches saying, enough
of this nonsense, I'm out of here Patino. The sport
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is leaning into Patino his specialty, the salesman with a
brilliant basketball mind. Right, a lot of guys in coaching,
they don't want to be a salesman. They love basketball.
We've seen a Boston college football coach last year say
I don't want to be a salesman. I want to
be a football coach, went to the Packers. Most coaches
are like that. A lot of great coaches, Jay Wright
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had plenty of years left. They want to do all
this NIL and transfer portal. It's just exhausting, and he
become like a pro GM. But actually, if you look
at Patino's career, it plays right into his strength. You
can throw him into any room and he can sell Rick,
he can sell basketball, he can sell his ideology and
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his knowledge. And the sport now is built for Rick Patino.
And I'm going to root for Saint John's because a
lot of really smart people occasionally in life screw up.
That's that's the world we live in. We can be
an avalanche and bury him, or we can say, well,
well are you gonna do? Put him in jail. So
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I am all for Saint John's. I think it's great
for the sport. I love to see New York City
care about college basketball because I grew up in the
Pacific Northwest and my favorite conference wasn't the Pac twelve,
it was the Big East. You had Rowley and John
Thompson and Louis Carnaseca and they've been trying to get
Saint John's going for years and the facilities still aren't great,
but they got a big booster, they got some money,
and they have arguably the best coach in college basketball,
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and he's heading to the ornament once again.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Here's Rick.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You are a New Yorker. You delivered on your promise
to New York.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
What's your message of New York City as you headed
the Big Dance.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Well, we've built this program now into a solid foundation.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now we're going to take off. This garden's packed every night.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I always say to the NCAA have been knocked out in
the first round of it, the seven final fours and
nobody knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Play it one game at a time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now, last year we all kind of knew what was
going to happen. Yukon was going to end up in
the Final four and be favored in national Championship. But
I think this year is a year for an Izzo.
Keep your eye on the coaches, cause I Auburn is
the best team I saw, but Florida now is hotter.
The SEC is completely stacked. I have two teams in
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the SEC going to the Final four. Wouldn't be shocked
if there was three. I would not be shocked if
there were three SEC teams. I said this two months
ago with Jmac on the air. I watched them SEC
basketball in January. I'm like, it doesn't even look like
any other conference. It is sixth best team is great.
So I'm my bracket's got a lot of excellent veteran
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coaches moving up and moving out over players where I
think there's just a lot of sameness. But I can't
wait to see Patino tom is oh later this hour
and oh, by the way, the Warriors won again this
weekend with Jimmy Butler, the hottest team in the NBA.
You love j Mack, you love the tournament, you bet
the tournament. You're the only guy that's that follows Creighton
Basketball's depth chart. So I'm gonna go. I do think
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coaching is going to be really important. I also think
all these SEC teams, these Floridas, these Tennessees, these Auburns,
They've all played each other all year, and I think
there it reminds me a little bit of growing up
when the ACC or the Big East was stacked. I
think the SEC those teams have been planning like tournament
level intensity for the last month.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah, and you know I've mentioned this many times to you.
I'm a multi bracket guy. I'm like, it's still out
twenty brackets. Some of them will have three SEC teams
in the final four.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You're a one bracket guy. I'm trying to get you
off that tough team.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I got two SEC teams in the final four?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Interest two?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, And do you have Duke in there?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Uh No, I do not have Duke favorable draw of
any of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, I have. I have one dark horse in the tournament.
I'm not gonna give it away. Now give it away.
Next hour.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
The staff got me onto who your dark horses. I'm
not going to say anything.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It ain't that dark.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Don't love it. Don't love it, Colin, I'll be honest
with you. But it should be a fun week.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Then be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
Weekdays and newone Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Tom Izzo, Michigan state coach, going to be joining us
end of this hour. I am. I am rooting for
Rick Patino among other people. I think it's going to
be very interesting. I think it's kind of wide open.
I think guess SEC teams are going to do really
well in it. I do one bracket. I thought last
year was much easier. We knew Purdue was really good
with Zach Eaty unstoppable and coaches tell us on the show,
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you can't stop me, He's unstoppable, and Yukon was unbelievable. Yukon.
You just you realize how good Yukon was last year.
Thirty seven and three is where they ended when you
watch this year's team, where the team struggled to generate,
you know, offense. All those Yukon guys went into the
NBA and I think three of them are crushing. So
that was a different level team that was like an
old school college basketball team. These teams has a lot
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of coin flips on Florida, Tennessee, Auburn just from the SEC.
So I'll tell you whether there's not a coin flip.
I think it's an incredible story. The Warriors are now
fourteen and two since Jimmy Butler arrived, and he's not
shooting the ball, well, it's all the other stuff he
adds to the team. And Draymond Green had a pretty
blunt description of what Jimmy Butler has brought to the Dubs.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's a real ball club.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now you know him on this scene was the heve
eleven points two or thirties. They make us a real
ball club. When we're a real ball club, were usually
were temporships. You know, the Warriors are starting to feel
as Jama sort of snickers at that, but he's right
that one team with Andrew Wiggins that beat the Celtics
was feeling like a real ball club. The Warriors are
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starting to feel like a fashion trend. Just when you
think they're uncool, they arrive again. It's like bell bottoms. Yeah,
nobody wears them. Then Kendrick Lamar the Super Bowl has them.
Everybody's like, oh, bell Bottoms are back. That's the Warriors.
And you look at the NFL and if you have
a really good coach and a quarterback, you're always okay.
Well that's Steve Kerr and Steph Curry. As long as
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they're still near their prime. Warriors are always going to
be fine if they're healthy and have a legit number two.
And I was thinking about this over the weekend watching
them beat the Knicks in a really good game. I said,
here is why Jimmy Butler is a great fit. Because
when you look at the Warriors, because of Steph and
the Splash Brothers and Kad, you think of them as
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fun and glossy and flashy. But this team has had
a chip on its shoulder and anger and a resilience.
Because of the makeup of the team, Steph Curry was overlooked,
doubted went to Davidson, too small the Warriors. The Warriors
didn't know here. Monte Ellis was the future. Draymond Green
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second round pick, undersized what to do with him. Steve
Kerr tragedy in his family lost his father, got into
a fight with MJ. I covered him in Portland. Feisty
is the word, along with intelligence I would use for
one of the great coaches in league history, Steve is
OHA's up to conflict and getting in your face. It's
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what makes him great. And then there's Jimmy Butler, juco
tough childhood, bounced around the league. But if you look
at all of them, Draymond, Steph, Kerr, Butler, they're winners.
They don't run from conflict. KD did that. We'll all
get in your face, hey, Steph. Steph does not like losing.
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Trash talker, likes to taunt a little bit. And I
think Jimmy Butler is a perfect fit for this team.
There's a little bit of an anger and a resilience.
MJ had it, Brady had it. But we watched the
Warriors and they're so fun and they're so flashy that
we don't we think of them as sort of like,
you know, guys having fun shooting threes. Nope, they're much
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more similar to that Michael Jordan's MJ Bulls team that
always played with a little anger. They play with it too.
They just shoot the ball better. Jimmy Butler had a
quote this week he goes, when it's my time, you'll
know it's my time. Until then, I'm going to pass
the ball to the open man, get my guys jumpers,
get him out in transition. What's remarkable he's only averaging
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sixteen points for the Warriors, shooting just twenty two percent
from three, and they're fourteen in two since he arrived.
It's that resilience, the toughness, the chip on his shoulder,
which is what Draymond has, which is what step Soowe
has still had, and that fight in Steve Kerr. This
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organization is not all fluff and three pointers. There's a
lot of tough minded conflict resolution in your face. KD
wasn't comfortable. Nobody else left. KD wasn't comfortable with it
because KD. Yeah, maybe he'd rather talk about it on Twitter. Maybe,
but this team will get right in your face. And
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I think Butler's perfect for Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline news right.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I know it's NCAA tournament week, but we'll starting with
the NFL and the big news over the weekend. Jordan
Schultz broke it. Congrats to him, Jamar Chase and t.
Higgins are locked into long term deals to stay in Cincinnati. Listen,
I know this Hllary CAP's going up a calm. This
is getting a little silly. Jamar Chase forty years, one
hundred and sixty to one mil.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's a lot. But it also there's a story out
there talking now to Hendrickson so that if they if
they pay all four of their best players. I got
no complaints one hundred and.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Twelve million guaranteed for Chase making him the and this
is starting to get dumb. Okay, highest paid none quarterback
in the league. This is some ego status game that
players are playing. Because it was Max Crosby had to
get it. Then Miles Garrett, oh got Jamar Chase. Micah
Parsons is waiting. It's so stupid.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, but you know what I'm seeing on this list?
What jamarchis, Miles Garrett, Crosby, Jefferson, Bosa, CD Lamb. You
know what I'm seeing on this non playoff teams? No
guys who are great and wildly productive. I have no
This list doesn't bother me at all. Justin Jefferson, Miles, Jamar,
Max Nick, and Cede Lamb.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
When Hubery how many guys on that list, the top
six that you see on the screen. How many were
in the playoffs last year?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Just how many?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
How many you have money you got to spend it
on somebody, I, as a general manager, would have re
signed every one of these players for that money.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't disagree with you, But what are you complaining about.
It's not a complaint.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think it's a discussion. It's like the way you
build a team is interesting. The salary cat's going up, right,
so that means the star players get more. But as
we're seeing, you can't play that, pay the star guys
at the top and build a good.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, well, I'll balance faster. All of those guys that
you look at. We can put that list up again.
They were all drafted by that team. They're not buying
guys in free agency. These were guys the teams drafted
most in the first round. The players delivered on the promise,
and the team said we're going to reward you. I
have no problem drafting a guy he becomes arguably the
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best player been. I'll pay those guys one hundred out
of a hundred eight.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I agree. Now, are you applying the same to the NBA?
When it comes to Jalen Brown making seventy million.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But here again, I'll say this about Jaylen Brown or
the Celtics. I swear to the God, the guy gets better
every year. He's a dog, plays on ball, fends super smart.
Uh will pass up shots to hot teammates. I mean,
I've seen him step aside for Derek White. I paid
Jaylen Brown. Now is it weird to pay two guys
all that money? But you have to remember between sports,
gambling and television contracts these leagues, Now, there are so
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much money in the NFL. You're watching teams pay guards
huge money and two years later just walk away from them.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
All right, So we're not done. T Higgins actually got
a four year deal one hundred and fifteen mil.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Garrett, but again deal super productive in Burrow. Burrow made
a point of addressing this multiple times. Some of those says,
you gotta make Burrow.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You've got to make Burrough happy. Okay, do you remember?
And a lot of the audience might be too young.
The Dan Marino Miami Dolphins in the eighties, they had
Mark Duper and Mark Clayton, Mark's brothers.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
They went to the Super Bowl. They were awesome that
was their offense. No, there's their team. Those three guys
were their time. They never got back to a Super Bowl. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Know if this is gonna work. I applaud Cincinnati for
rolling the dice. Oh no, but I'm very curious Collen.
Could they have set to Carolina hate. We'll give you
t Higgins give us the eighth overall pick. We'll give
you a third, you give us a fourth. Whatever the
package works, and you pay Teah. I need cheaper guys, because,
as Philadelphia has showed you, you need to draft well
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development as a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, all these owners got a four hundred and fifty
million dollar check from the NFL this year. That doesn't
count your attendance. That doesn't count your parking, that doesn't
count your merchandise, that doesn't count your food. Every family
that owns an NFL team four hundred and fifty million
dollar check. If I'm Cincinnati and you say you got
to pay four guys, Hey, why do you only have
to pay four guys? No, No, I'm saying, or they
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leave they're all I mean, I like Hendrickson Leaves.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Could you get eight guys to produce the same as
before for the same amount of money.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Who just won the Super Bowl? Do you remember who?
He just won the Super Bowl? Philadelpia, A team with
seven great players. You have to have great players the borough.
The Bengals today have four great players. Philly's got eight.
But I'm not letting my great guys go for a
fourth round receiver from Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Philly's got more likely ten good players. But you need.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Great players to win it. You know, the Niners for
six years kept getting the Super Bowl life. They have
like eight great players. The Rams had Donald Ramsey, Stafford.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Cup Garoppolo, they had cheap rock perty.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You and I just different. My thing is I draft you,
you're great, I take care of you. I'm not going
to debate that. If I get top heavy, so be it.
But what I won't do is going to free agency
and pay for somebody like the Bears. I thought had
a good free agency, but that's because they kept whiffing
on their picks. That's what you don't want.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I would take Joe Tooney on any team in the league,
and I think the Bears benefit from it. But you
know who really benefited from Touney The Patriots. Yeah, I mean,
that's who really benefited who draft and developed him.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I do have to ask, are people copying the Rams
a little bit late?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Remember the Rams with the top heavy what was it
those picks or whatever the derbiage was, and they went
Stafford Cup I think, Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey,
and they were like, we're just going top heavy, and
it worked.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
They got the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I feel like the Bengals are doing that, but like
three years too late, and I think now you need
a little bit more balance as the league has gotten
a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, what hurts the Bengals is they don't pay money
for a huge scouting staff. So Philadelphia's got twice the
scouting staff Baltimore does. So if you have a really
great scouting staff with a lot of money. The Rams
have a lot of money, big scouting staff. Eagles have
a lot of money, big scouting staff. It's funny how
the Rams and the Eagles draft so well. The Bengals
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have been hit and miss on drafting. Go to their
website and look at their scouting department, and look at
the Eagles. So signing your players is one thing, and
let's be honest, a lot of the Bengals best players
were obvious. Everybody knew Burrow was great, Everybody knew Jamar
Chase was great. Like T. Higgins came out of Clemson.
Everybody loved T Higgins out of college. So it's not
like they found gems in the sixth round, with which
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some team have done. But I just think every team's
getting a four hundred and fifty million dollar check. You
have to make choices. The Bengals, if they're gonna pay
their four best players, I can live with that choice.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Can you live without making the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'd prefer too, but I can live with it.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I guess Colin final question, like when you look at
how Cincinnati's made up, like you can't name.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Three of their defenders right, Like the.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Defense gave up. They just hemorrhage points all season. It's
putting a lot of pressure on Burrow. They basically have
no room for error.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
If T.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Higgins goes down for four games, I'm trying to shraft
it to try if Jamar Chase miss and guess what
Burrow has missed a bunch of games.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
T Higgins Like, if.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
They drafted better, they'd be fine. But with a scout
small scouting department. They haven't drafted particularly great, and that's
the spot you're in if you're Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Next story is another wide receiver deal, and that's Cooper Cup,
the former Rams receivers headed to Seattle, technically headed home.
He got a three year, forty five million dollar deal.
Cup is from Yakama, Washington.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Talk about that area and he attended Eastern Washington. Yeah,
so he's now going to be an option for Sam Darnold.
They have JSN. I guess we'll move out of the
slot to the outside.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
This is a lot of money for a guy that
no longer separates and they have to fil I think
Seattle looks at it and thinks, with our draft picks,
we have got to solve number one. Are offensive line
number one?
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And they look at Cooper Cup, meaning all right, we've
got a number two or at number three. So I
think you make choices in free agency. For instance, the
Rams and free agency gud went went and got Devonte Adams,
signaling unless something falls to them, they may not draft
a receiver in the first couple picks. Now they may
have something falls to them in the first round, but
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I mean teams send you signals when you signed Devonte Adams.
What you're saying is, we don't love this wide receiver draft.
We don't think there's an impact guy in the first round,
and we need an impact wide receiver. So Bear's telling
you we got to get better on the O line,
and it's got a great O line year. So everybody
sends you so in free agency, and I that's what
I I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I don't hate the signing.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
He has familiarity in the division, knows the opposing defensive
coordinators and the dbs, so cup should have success there.
But this to me is still like a six or
seven more team. I don't know you like them and going.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To the playoffs ten wins Sammy Darnold both playoffs again.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Final story more NFL News. They're just giving.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Out contracts like candy here unbelievable. Adam Schefter is reporting
the Houston Texans have given Derek Stingley Junior a three year,
ninety million dollar a XAP.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
He's a great player.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
They drafted him sixty three and a half million of
new guarantees. Here we go, Stingley becomes the highest paid
quarterback in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You gotta play pretty.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Good you have to make that note, surpassing J C.
Hornh just did it last week, this whole like, I've
got to get my guy out there and put this
out there so he can like you.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Can again, they drafted him. I think he got banged
up a little early. But he's a great, great player.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I'll give Houston credit smart to get this done before
that Tross Gardner, before Michael Posters, right, because you know
they're now going to their agent.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I gotta get more. I'm better first round. I think
he's a first round pick. Has absolutely delivered arguably the
most talented young carter after Patrick's Artam, WHOA wow, it's
really good, really good player.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I know there's a Houston fan on staff getting in
your ear about this, and our staff.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Put together a little charge here.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
L 's u's twenty nineteen national title team. Burrow, Jefferson,
Chase and Stingley all got nassive.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, that's the most talented college roster ever. I don't
think it's the best team, but I think it's the
most talented college roster.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Hugh roster with Jameis Winston that had like twenty two
of twenty four starters something insane like that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Make the pros.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But this team was loaded with high end NFL guys.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Oh major, Listen, I guess I can't hate it. Three years,
ninety million, whatever. Congrats to Stingley.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Listen, he's a top five, top six corner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh yeah, top six for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
One of us is willing to pay.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I like, listen. I'm I'm down for paying, but.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Sounds like it.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The Bengals One's interesting because.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I know some people are gonna say, j Mak, you'd
be killing him if they didn't, if they didn't sign Higgins.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And they traded him.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'm a moneyball believer calling it. You can do stuff
on the cheap.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Okay, First, those a's teams never want one.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Stingley last year was fifth. Pff. You know where Sauce
Gardner was.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
He didn't have a great year.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Thirty seconds?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Okay, fine, you going off one year? He did the
other two years matter.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
All I care about? Are you great? Now? Stingley's great today,
had a good year in a contract year.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Let's see if he shows up next year.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But after he's got his money, old haterra Jmak with
a news.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
There are certain arguments in sports we should just put
to bed. You know, forever it was thes Pete Rose
a Hall of Famer. They get tired, they're cliched. It's
exhausting and you kind of grow up at some point.
Here's another one. I can't believe blankety blank team didn't
get in and instead blankety blank other mediocre team did.
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It's a television show. Once you get down to the
final one or two teams all take a Carolina good
branding over West Virginia. Sorry, I'm not losing sleep. It's
an inexact science. I've said. When you're talking about the
top four seeds, that's a different ballgame. But if you're
talking the last team to get in West Virginia North Carolina,
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I'm sorry. I know you couch college basketball experts think
the Mountaineers should get in. But more teams make this
tournament than any tournament in America, and nobody was snubbed.
West Virginia just didn't win enough. They weren't good enough.
What you have to do in life is get out
of arguments. Be too good to even qualify for the
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r argument. Yeah, North Carolina very good early, didn't do
good against the Quad ones man. Since twenty eighteen, outside
of eight and nine matchups, which have always been a
coin flip, the committee gets it right seventy four percent
of the time the favorites win. I know, you're all
absolutely sure that VCU didn't get the respect they deserve.
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A boy, I mean, in college football, some of you
lost your mind. How can you not have Indiana in? Yeah,
they got in in football and were embarrassing. Okay, and
that's the twelfth team. I'm just not losing sleep over
Carolina getting in in West Virginia not getting in. Nobody
plays victim more than college basketball coach on the hot
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seat or college administrator defending his program. Nobody plays victim
like that, And especially when you find, like you know,
jocks who went to the school to their school. Everybody's
a victim. I said before CBS, TNT, all these networks
that pay billions of dollars for this tournament. They get
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us say in the seating chart too, you know, And
if it comes down to the last team and it's
a coin flip, I'll take Carolina. Let's go for it.
Would you be shocked if they want to gain it's
a play in game.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But I mean it's like one of those arguments in sports.
Are we still arguing about this stuff? Like it's not
worth the diatribe? Tom Izzo is around the corner, March madness.
It's a fun week. It is a fun week live
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
Coaches in college basketball and a friend and how lucky
are we? I asked the guys, I said, just get me.
Just get me is on mart few and I'm Good
and Tom Izzo thirty seasons at Michigan State, eight Final
four appearances. Okay, I've watched you play four times. You
defend the three, you don't shoot it particularly well. Okay,
(32:00):
I'm just being fair. Your team's always defend, they rebound,
they're tough, like Patino. You coach your players hard and
they respond to it. What about this team? What's the
secret sauce about this team? That why you like them?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
They're connected, you know, and everybody talks about being connected, Colin, but.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
This team is really connected. It's been connected and you know,
we've kind.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Of put our egos aside and everybody's playing for each other,
and that doesn't always happen. We're playing nine to ten
guys where we do rebound pretty well, we actually score
it pretty well, we shoot free throws well, and yes,
you are correct, you did your scouting report. Did not
shoot them three very well. But the last two three
weeks we've been moving up drastically from the three, and
(32:49):
if we can get that down, I think we could
really do some damage.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know, it's funny. A lot of coaches, my buddy
Jay Wright, like, I think there's a lot of coaches
that look at nil and transfer portal and go get
me out of here. And I don't know if Jay
did that, but I think, you know, Jay's such a
great guy. But you have kind of said, like, hey,
this is the world. I can complain or I can adapt.
Why have you with all this fluctuation? Why are you
(33:16):
still Michigan State? Why are you still good? Why have
you adapted so easily?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Well, since you were honest with me about my three
point shooting, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
I don't like it for a lot of reasons, especially
in the transferred portal. I think more kids are gonna
get hurt. But that's another story on another day. But
like Jay right, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys
are friends of mine. They decided to go another way.
I'm too dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess
I just I just figured that I got to get
back to the basics. Last year, I was on all
(33:49):
kinds of committees. I worried about it. This year, I
kind of stuck the coach in my team. And I've
been lucky. I got some good players. I got a
couple of guys that have elevated their game.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I got one of my former stars, Jason Richardson son,
who has really elevated his game.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
And uh, but you got a player's son from the
past that even means you're getting older.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You survived. Oh, and I don't know what you know.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's interesting years ago. It's funny about the tournament. Everybody
loves Florida, and I said, be very careful hot teams.
It doesn't translate all the time. You got to be
can For years and years, everybody always said you got
to have great guard, play well you know what does
matter in your years of doing this, is there one
or two things that absolutely translate from regular season to March.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, you know, I'm a big football guy. I love football,
and I think in football, you know, at the end.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Of the day, yes, still all the fancy stuff comes
and goes. You still got to be able to block
and tackle and not turn the ball over. Well, and
you ask me. And basketball you still gotta be able
to defend and run and you can't turn the ball over.
So there are some things that are similar no matter
what sport you're in. Ours is a little different because
that damn ball's got to go in the basket sooner
(35:07):
or later.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You could run all the best offense. If the final
shot doesn't go in, it hurts.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
But I think what translates defense carries just like it
does in all other sports, whether it's hockey, baseball, basketball,
or football. We've been pretty solid. That's why I think
we've had a pretty good run. But you know, getting
to the free throw line, I think matters and making
shots because in the tournament you get down to the
(35:34):
nitty gritty and people are following you, so you got
to be able to make free throws.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Which we can do on the three point line. We're improving.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Listen, I'm not a scout. I just watched your games
and I'm like, Okay, that's not what they do. You know.
It's interesting. I was talking to Mark View Friday and
when I've talked to Mark privately, and I'm like, hey,
do you ever steal stuff from coaches? And He's like,
oh God, yes, I take stuff from everybody. When you've
been around as long as you've been, do you ever
find yourself during the court You're sitting at home and
(36:05):
all of a sudden, you watch a game and you're like, oh,
I must steal that. I like that inbounds play?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Do you do that?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I'm so dumb. And Mark Few and I are good friends.
We're both on these committees that we just went through
all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But I'm so dumb. I not only steal it, but
I name it after the team I steal it from.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
So if I got a Zags player, if I got
a seventy six Ers player, a Lakers.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Play, it's because I stole it from them.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
So my plays are named after a lot of people,
are a lot of teams, which means I'm stealing a
lot yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So listen, I watched the SEC this year and I
said this, I picked Auburn to win it, and I said,
I think it helps when your conference is good because
you get battle tested, you're in close games. Is there
I ask everybody this? In fact, I asked few about this,
and he said, Houston, is there a team you either
played or scouted that you've looked at and you think
(37:04):
to yourself today, yeah, I'd rather not see them until
maybe the final four. Who's a team that guys like
me won't pay attention to, but you've seen them and
you're like, yeah, that team's trouble.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Well, it's interesting, Mark said, Houston. Believe it or not,
I replaced Kelvin Samson here as a GA. He used
to work for jud Heathcote many years ago. And I
think my teams are tough and pretty good defensively. I
think his teams are insane. They're like the eighty five
or six Bears, whatever it was. You know, they're phenomenal
(37:39):
defensive team.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
They got toughness. What he's done is he's added the
three point shot and now they're a better shooting team.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
So I'd have to agree with Mark. They're one of
but I saw Auburn in person.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
We didn't play them, but I saw him. They were impressive.
Florida has been impressive as of late. I still think
the Alabamas, but I I played against them last year.
I think Tennessee still brings those intangibles. Yeah, they have toughness,
they're well coached. Rick is a great coach, and they're
(38:14):
really really good defensively.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Tom, it was a politician's answer. I gave you a
bunch of them.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
By the way, I see right behind you you have lunch.
So you look fantastic for your age. What do you
have back there? Vegetables? A kale salad? What are you
having for lunch?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's a salad man. You got good eyes. Your scutting
reports are pretty good. You got that. We catch you
threes and I eat salad for lunch. This is a
hell of a deal man.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Tom is the great. Tom is Oh, good luck coach,
Thanks for coming on the herd.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thanks going say aboudy all right?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Tom is oh a great coach. I actually have j Mack.
I have Tennessee in my final four.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Interesting, I also have a ridiculous dark horse. Oh ahead,
I get into I I want to save it for
the audience tomorrow, no later, in the next hour. I
gotta give you the audience some gems. I have Auburn
winning it. I do have Tennessee in the final four.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Okay, I can't hate it. No, no love for Cooper
Flag and Duke. How good did Duke look without Cooper
Flag in the a SEC tournament.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I know the AEC wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Anybody can go total chop. You have to have at
least a four seed in there?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
What the minimum is?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
A four seed? Well, I mean that's historically not a
lot of five seeds get in, like last year NC State,
two years ago.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Fau like, somebody always sneaks it.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I have a sneaky team.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
They sneaky as you see San Diego.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
God, everybody is on that wait.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I talked about him last weekend. Michigan, Yeah, I already
bet it money line and with the points.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Michigan's big.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
They are big, but they have any depth.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
And there's a history of Big ten tournament teams trying
super hard in the Big ten tournament where you scout
well and you care four games and four days and
then you've got to turn around and play quickly.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
You know what let down?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know, it's ridiculous. College basketball is the only sport
where your conference tournament means nothing. Well, I mean like Michigan. Well,
Michigan got a fifth seed, didn't they They won the tournament,
didn't get anything.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Michigan is very big, as you see San Diego
that just became a Division one couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Now, they're a great story that the athletic had an
awesome story on them.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
This is gonna sound so nerdy.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I stole some of his coaching principles and applied it
to my kids youth basketball leagues. They do this no
middle defense where everybody keeps a.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Foot in the paint.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
We're not giving a playoff. You're not getting in the
late even though they have no size, and it works great.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Uh listen, man, that sounds like.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
The wildcat offense. That's what its no middle defense. I
guarantee you it'll work for a week.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
That's all you need, well, three weeks to win the title.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
You see, they're not they're not winning the title obviously.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So I've watched Michigan State. Michigan State's the kind of
team that's gonna win multiple gay they play too hard,
they play defense, they rebound, they just don't shoot three.
So that's not what they do.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
They gotta get Jason Richardson's kids more shots. There is
those a little too balanced. No, we gotta we got
to sub him out and get all these Richardson's a stud.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
That kid is awesome. We's got to get more shots,
keep him on the floor.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
This is such a fun time of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
This is the greatest.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, there's only one time of the year. I don't
talk to my wife about finances. It's this weekend. You know.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm gonna go ahead and guess Aaron Rodgers makes a
decision like Thursday or Friday, because it's got to be
about Aaron all the time, you know. And he's gonna
try to steal the thunder from them.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
That felt like a little haws your boy doing.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Is he in a dark mis retreat? I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Boy, A lot of shots fired, I am you know
what is he might bump into him at Arawon here
in Malibu. You gotta be very careful.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I'm not going to Malibu. All the earthquakes are hitting
over there.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I had a shaker yesterday.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, I didn't feel it.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
Oh I did.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I did locked in on brackets, so.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I thought it was the gin and soda. It was
just it was just a default line. Hour two Nagat.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I was
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