August 1, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin reflects on the USA men’s and women's teams being more self-aware and selective of their players
Drafting a quarterback in the first round breeds a higher chance for failure than success
Aaron Rodgers is deciding to be petty once again
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Foxsports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app
by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right. Here we go live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
One hour from now, Jmack and I do our over unders.
Five teams for both of us we think are better
than their projected wind total. We may be giving away.
(00:47):
Let us today lots of it, and then five teams
we think are overvalued. It's our over under segment until
one time only. It's happens in one hour from now.
I got my I got my gum my new dynamite
gum I take. I got a lot of energy. J Mack,
I'm ready to go to them. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, instead of watching the Olympics last night, I was
digging into over underst We got some winners, for sure,
and some other ones I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, yeah, we're doing five each after about three. Come on,
I'm crossing my fingers on a couple. But I want
to make it challenging. We're not about being right, We're
about making it interesting. So we have ten total teams,
and you know, Vegas doesn't make ten mistakes. That's a
third of the league. But we'll have some fun with it.
So the United States States beats South Sudan yesterday, and
(01:37):
what was interesting is Joel Embiid did not play. And
South Sudan's best player was a center, and supposedly our
best center did not play. So it's like been an
awakening for Joel Embiid, except a bad one. Is that
everybody at the Olympics has to qualify for the Olympics,
(01:58):
you know, except basketball player men's and women's. Caitlin Clark
apparently wasn't good enough. Joel Mbiid should have been the
first team center. And then by the second exhibition game
you realized bam out to buy you and Anthony Davis
not only fit better, are they better? I mean that's
(02:22):
how you select the men's and women's team. It's subjective.
I hope this person fits. Jalen Brown, MVP of the finals.
No thanks, Derek White, fourth best player for the Celtics.
You bet Tatum's great. Doesn't get a minute in some games.
But Embiid not playing to me is a sign the
(02:43):
league is finally getting it on a world global stage.
He doesn't fit and in Philadelphia and here he can
clog up the offense. Now, some of this is and
he's got some really really good skills for his size,
but the NBA me he attends to annoyed stars superstars
before they really are. Jah Moran is a great example.
(03:06):
He's a tiny, tiny, thin player, like go under one
hundred and eighty five pounds. He's small, so what's that mean?
You better be able to shoot? He can't. His best
three point percentage year is thirty four percent. Gets hurt
a lot. He's immature. I understand that players come into
the league early, so I'm not going to bang on
him too much for that. But the reality is I
(03:28):
was told he was going to take over the league.
He can't take over his division, forget his conference. Derek Rose.
I was told for year, Derek Rose, this is the future. Again,
tiny player that can't shoot his career three point shooting.
His thirty two percent in Chicago it was thirty. This
(03:49):
is not the seventies and eighties where slam dunks define you.
You got if you're under six ' five. In this league,
you either have to be an unbelievable defender distributor, or
you gotta shoot. Joe LMB doesn't defend like Anthony Davis.
He's not nearly his athletic, doesn't run the floor like Yannis.
(04:11):
He doesn't have the layers and the dexterity and the
shooting and passing of Jokic. And although he has some
qualities of Shack, he doesn't dominate and win like him.
We are seeing an awakening people finally acknowledging he clogs
up it. We've always blamed the coaches and his teammates
in Philadelphia, but now we have Spolstra and Steve Kerr
(04:36):
and Lebron and Steph and Ad and it doesn't work.
He's been anointed to something he's not. He's really talented
and productive, but the regular season, he's a big body.
People don't even want to take charges. In the regular season,
they get out of the way. Lots of easy baskets,
and his size and his ability eight feet into score
(04:58):
is gonna get points and rebounds. But right now he's
a thirty year old with a mountain of injuries who
has yet to prove he doesn't get in the way
with other great players and he doesn't necessarily elevate others.
The Sixers, as they've built around him, have yet to
win a second round playoff series in the East, which
(05:23):
is like the Big Twelve of college football in the East.
He can't win a second round playoff series, and that's
been eight years. Young Celtics, dysfunctional, Knicks, Pacers rebuilding, Lebron
leaves Miami, Kawhi leaves Toronto. The East has been wide
open for almost a decade, and he can't win a
(05:46):
second round playoff series. What you're seeing is what he
is productive. But basketball in the Olympics is something you
don't have to qualify for. It's subjective and people are
influenced by popularity in production. This, to me is what
the critics of en beat have been saying, and there's
not many look at him. With one coach in Philly,
(06:09):
or another teammate in Philly, or now the world's best players,
he gets in the way. So people draft their quarterbacks
in the first round, and you know this I'm not
telling you anything. When you draft a quarterback in the
first round, there's a much greater chance he misses then
(06:30):
becomes Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Mahomes, much greater chance.
You go to the last decade, it has been I
think thirty two quarterbacks drafted in the first round. There's
been seven stars and seventeen misses. Drake May sounds like
it's not going well in New England. According to Michael Hawley,
somebody I know trust and respect. He said, I went
(06:53):
to recent practices. I wanted him to be Justin Herbert
and Josh Allen because those were the comps. But what
I saw was the ghost of Matt Jones. He could
couldn't do anything right. Sorry to laugh. There's another story
that Joe Milton, he was the quarterback fun to watch
from Tennessee. Six round, they drafted two quarterbacks that Milton
(07:15):
has a wow factor, big, stronger arm than May, more
athletic than May. And everybody's looking thinking is the sixth
round guy better than the first round guy? But part
of it is this take out the Randy Moss years.
Three years, even with Brady Gronken Edelman and no Moss.
New England was never an offensive culture. It was briefly
(07:38):
with Randy Moss, but it was a do your job,
sacrifice for the team, even paycheck. It was never an
organization of offensive creativity abundance. Joy that's Kansas City, that's
San Francisco, that's the Rams. Sometimes it's Philadelphia. It's not
(07:59):
New England. Here's a prime example with the greatest quarterback
in the history of the sport. They went to nine
Super Bowls in New England. Do you know how many
touchdowns they scored in nine first quarters?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
None?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
In fact, in nine super bowls with Brady, with Tom Brady,
they scored total three points in the first quarter. Why
because they were always a play it safe, don't make mistakes,
hyper efficiency, will outsmart and out coach them. Again, the
(08:37):
Randy Moss ears briefly were different. So Drake may comes
into an organization they don't know offense is a defensive culture.
And they hired girod Mayo, who's Belichick mantras terms belief system.
So this was always going to be the toughest lift
(09:00):
for any of these quarterbacks. I said, whoever Minnesota gets
JJ McCarthy is bound to succeed great offensive head coach,
great left tackle, a superstar receiver, good running backs, capable
old line. JJ McCarthy would have to stink to not
be eventually pretty successful. And whoever goes to New England
(09:22):
will struggle. I mean, PFF ranks New England's wide receiving
corps all Belichick drafted as thirty second. PFF ranks their
running back group all Belichick drafted as twenty fifth, their
offensive line as twenty eight. What does that tell you
(09:44):
that the six round quarterback Joe Milton is going to
probably win the job because he's the athlete. He's the bigger, stronger, faster,
more dynamic athlete, and they don't have any at wide receiver,
tied end at running back. Well, when I read this story,
my take is yet Joe Milton will make plays. Listen,
(10:04):
Kirk Cousins and RG three back in twenty twelve got
drafted by Washington and they figured out by year two
Cousins is the guy. I think that's what we're looking
at now. I don't think I'm overreacting. I think when
you look at the historical culture of New England and
then they basically hire Belichick's favorite guy and Belichick's guy
(10:25):
is a defensive guy, and defensive coaches see the world
from a don't make mistakes, efficient run the ball when
you have a lead, eat up the clock. That kind
of mantrak could work with a Josh Allen level player.
But Josh is a playmaker. He can overcome some of
that conservative coaching. C J. Stroud's got a conservative coach.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Stroud's talented enough to overcome that. But Drake May at
his best was a project. Everybody knew that bad feet,
not refined, miss easy throws, got some Herbert qualities. There's
no question. I leaned on my NFL execs. What do
you see? They said, there's a little Herbert, big, tall,
good arm, pretty smart kid. But when you enter a
(11:12):
defensive culture where they just hired another defensive coach, they
have no playmakers. Don't be shocked if Joe Milton wins
this job or gets a lot of snaps this year.
So J Mack, I saw another story with the Jets,
another story with a Jets. Yeah. I hope they're good
(11:35):
because they become a content factory for us, But I
a little disappointing the news.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm here, Well, come week one again, San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Nobody's gonna remember the argument between Rogers and Garrett.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Wilson or the Egypt trip. All that stuff goes out
the window.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It's fun off season fodder though, And you don't get
your yucks. That's a word, right, toys.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Man, that gum ist return around the show. I've got
such great energy today. I don't even they're not even
a sponsor. What am I doing? So I gotta stop talking.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know, I had quit coffee earlier this this year, remember,
and I've started started to want to go back to
it recently.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Do I get that energy? Because I need to match
your energy?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Don't you like coffee though?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Don't you like? I love it?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I don't like the coffee. I like the white chocolate mocha.
You know, Oh that's awful, sugar drink. Those are caring,
They're bad for you.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I just like this. I like the smell of coffee.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noone Eastern a em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates.
None of the bull so for years and years, Green
Bay Packer fans would say, it's no big deal, it's
a media creation. All the drip drip, drip drip of
Aaron Rodgers. You take a shot at this coach, go
on radio and say this, and Packer fans, middle aged
(13:02):
men wearing cheese hats to games, would tell us, lecture
us that it was just a media creation, and we'd
say no. If your wife kept taking shots at you
through your friends, after a while, little things add up
to a big divorce, right, And that's what happened. The
media wasn't wrong, and the media wasn't making stuff up.
(13:24):
You were wrong. Is that he annoyed over and over
and over again the Green Bay front office. So they
eventually bailed on him. He came out of this darkness
retreat and it was like I got caught off guard.
I didn't stop with the palm palms. Be grown ups.
Drip drip drip. If your kid skips a day of school,
(13:47):
probably no big deal. But skips a day of school,
starts hanging around a group of friends you don't really like,
start smarting off to the teacher, it's a big deal.
End up in the back of squad cars, the school's
meth dealer. Little things become big things. Watch pay attention.
(14:10):
Are you noticing what's happening with Aaron Rodgers and Robert Solow?
You're noticing it? Coach on the hot seat, Prickley player
who Green Bay finally gave up on. Listen to this
with Aaron Rodgers. Are you telling me that Stafford would
ever do this to McVeigh, Maholmes, would ever do this
(14:30):
to Andy Reid, Goff, to Dan Campbell, Brady would have
done this to Belichick. Here is Aaron when asked about
his preseason plans.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean that's Roberts's decision. I've never told him
I don't want to play in the preseason. If he
decides he wants me to play against the Giants, I'll
strap it up and look forward to that. I don't
have any restrictions. I'm doing keepers rollouts. It was news
to me yesterday when he said I wasn't going to
(15:05):
play in the first two. Eric sent me that, thank you,
but we hadn't even had a conversation yet about that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Did you have to go there? You really have to
go there? It isn't a small thing. And why did
Aaron do it because of what Robert Salah. He made
a mistake too when Aaron miss camp. Remember this, Aaron
and I spoke before OTIA started. He's been very good
(15:37):
in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's inexcused, but.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
He had an event that was very important to him,
which he communicated.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Just just stay away from that. Talk less. Aaron's not here.
We've agreed to that. That's it. Stop talking. Don't need
to say it's unexcused or inexcused, and Aaron doesn't have
have to say you know, you know, we didn't communicate
at all. Aaron had problems communicating with teammates in Green Bay,
(16:08):
like DeVante Adams who left, and the front office and
now Robert Sala and had a disagreement with Garrett Wilson.
Aaron's not always the easiest person to communicate with, and
he does not want to be called out publicly. So
when Sala did that, and it just was a you
don't have to go places. That's why when I ask
(16:30):
sports figures questions, they have a right not to give
me a straight answer. I'm not appalled by it because
if I was a coach, I wouldn't know as be
honest with the media, I'd be hiding things to protect
my quarterback and my team and my GM and my owner.
I get interviewed all the time. I'm not going to
tell you everything all mostly try to be authentic and honest.
(16:50):
But if you go into an area which could damage
somebody's reputation at my company, I'm either going to make
up up or avoid it because I'm not doing that.
The interview doesn't mean as much as my relationships. So
Aaron takes a shot back at Sala because Sala took
a shot at him, and I know, just like Packer fans,
(17:11):
it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It does.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's the little stuff, you know. I mean, you guys
can keep telling me none of this stuff matters. It
always matters. I always say this. If you see a
husband and wife nitpicking each other at a party publicly,
what's it like on the drive home? So if Sla
and Aaron are doing this now publicly, when they get
(17:36):
beat thirty three to seventeen in San Francisco, how's the
flight home going to be? Not great? But stop trying
to convince me this stuff is nothing. I have eyes,
I have ears, I can see, I can hear it's
not great. McVeigh Stafford. Don't act like that. Belichick. Brady
didn't act like that. Even though they never went to dinner.
(17:56):
Brady didn't call out Belichick. What are you doing? J Mackle?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The news turns this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It's just, uh, the lack of communication between these two
is really on display this summer. Sala and Roger, it's
not good. Not excited for the Jets at this moment.
I'll be fine once the game start. All right, let's
get started with your favorite quarterback in mind, rock Party
Colin Rough.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Couple of days at practice for QB one.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He had seven interceptions earlier this week in a couple
of days, but.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
He bounced back on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh, he bounced back.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Three red zone touchdowns and no turnovers on handoffs.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Oh boy, I knew this was coming.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Listen, Rock Perty's on fire yesterday. George Kittle believes Purty
is making the offense his own.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
I feel like he's just more comfortable with the offense.
Like that's really like he seems very comfortable with it,
and he seems like he's like taking it and making
it his offense. Like just his confidence in the pocket
throwing the ball, telling guys, hey, you know you need
to do this, like you need to push her out
depth here, Yeah, you need to run out of it.
I think he said it too, like he was like,
I want to be great every single day. And you
(19:08):
can see that mindset on him, like he is dialed
in and just locked in every single rep.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Sounds like a leader to me, locked in, dialed in
every rep, making the offense.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
His brock Perty very cerebral.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I like cerebral quarterbacks. I also like guys that don't
those seven picks in camp.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But you think I should put some money on Perty
to win the MVP or is there just no chance? Well, I.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You can, He'll be productive. It's like putting MVP on
Kirk Cousins. He was a Dak productive.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He usually goes to the best player on the best team,
where you could just say the quarterback of the best team.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
He's about the sixth best player on that team.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Seven I said, I said, I admended it. It usually goes
to the quarterback of the team with the best record.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Ravens. Last year, nobody thought Lamar was.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
A better I do not think this team is going
to have the best record they will be potentially one
of the teams in thirty five minutes from now.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I have them on my list. Two interesting. Okay, all right,
so no pretty MVP ticket this.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Thirty five minutes from now. We're doing one time only
one showing only are five over and unders a piece,
so it's ten total teams. Now it's it's hard. We're
not going to go ten for ten. I have two
or three I really feel strongly about, and a couple
I'm rolling the dice, kind of projecting what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
The six for ten, that's a win. Your profitable.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
If we both got three right out of our fives,
you feel pretty good a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Anyways, let's go up to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
They open the season preseason tonight against the Texans. But
no Caleb Williams. Obviously he will not play tonight. A
little disappointing, but whatever. A friend of the show, Mercedes Lewis,
recently compared Kayleb Williams two league to a league MVP
on the Old Facts, No Breaks podcast with Keishawn Johnson.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Wants to be great. You can tell what he you know,
if he doesn't do something correct, He's directed himself like
he's uh can make every brow Lord Aaron Rodgers Aaron
Rodgers as decides a limit for him, I mean, asks
all the right questions. He's a leader, like naturally, he
(21:28):
doesn't walk around like you know, like you know it all,
like he's just I'm impressed so far.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, I trust Mercedes. What he says is right. So
he has been very accurate to me off the air
and on the show.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So Caleb is saying everything right, doing everything right, being
a leader.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
He straddles that line. I understand the people that are
like he's a little cocky. I understand that. I can
see it. I he's been so good for so long,
since he was fifteen, sixteen years old. And I also
think when you go into a losing organization, one of
the things you can't have is doubt. Like I'm gonna
(22:09):
give him a little pass if he's a little more
confident than you'd like him to be, because this organization
has never been able to get offense right in one
hundred and something years. So like to me, he's gonna
have to withstand criticism, losses, and he's gonna need a
lot of confidence. And we don't always get that. You
think all athletes are confident. Is Jason Tatum super confident?
I think he shrinks so like not every great player
(22:33):
is confident. You see it in baseball all the time.
We're a guy in golf where a great golfer loses confidence,
gets the yips, and literally great golfers have bad years.
You see. You see it in batting. And at one
point a Rod was dropped to eighth in the lineup
in a playoff series for the Yankees. I think against
Detroit was it because he wasn't talented? He lost confidence?
(22:54):
So I do think confident quarterback Caleb is gonna get sacked.
He's gonna lose games. I mean, the Packers in the
Lions are Super Bowl contenders, So I'm okay with him
being hyper confident. I am I don't see cocky, but
I understand those who see it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I'm happy that the narrative is changing on Caleb.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Remember a couple months ago, it was why is he
painting his fingernails? Why does he have a was it
a pink cell phone case? What he's crying to his
mom after a game?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Like?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Remember how the narrative was kind of negative on Caleb.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Then he was overly emotional.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, and some of the other other stuff. It's like,
didn't he payin no letters on his fingernails.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
For lighting game? And people are freaking out.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Now it's like, Hey, this guy's on the field in
the locker room and he's awesome and dominating.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Like now we're the stuff. This is the stuff that matters.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Right, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm telling you. I can't wait
to watch the Bears play. I am. So that's why
I wish he was playing a series tonight. What if
the Bears don't play him the preseason they want to
protect him, and he doesn't play until the opener against Tennessee,
Oh my god, that's going to get a rating in
a half.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So didn't Sanchez say he was the Bears opener? Yeah,
Sanchez be there that.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Week meeting with the team.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So maybe for the Friday before Week one we get
Sanchez on.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
All I'm doing is crossing my fingers on the health
of the Bears offensive players. I cannot remember a time
in my life where I looked at Chicago and thought, oh,
I can't wait to watch them. They've always they've had
defenses my whole life. But I mean literally with Aaron
Rodgers and Farv in Green Bay. You couldn't wait to
watch their games, or Peyton Manning or Mahomes. Like a
(24:28):
Chiefs game or a Baltimore game. When you have a
great quarterback. Beyond just being a local fan, it's like, oh,
I want to watch that game. It gets me to
a television. You can't get me to watch Carolina. I
do it because I do this for a living. But
I mean, like Chicago is must see TV so and
they got a lot of one o'clock window games there.
(24:49):
Here's my prediction, Bears merch will explode this year. Chicago
Bears merch. I mean, you see packer hats all over America,
you see cowboy gear, you see watch Bears merch explode.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Boom. That's a good, good take.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Final story is the Steelers and their quarterback competition. We're
using that word now, competition. Russell Wilson has been limited
due to a calf injury. Justin Field's taken a lot
more reps with the Ones and has reportedly been impressive.
Despite the success, Mike Tomlin has not reset the depth
chart just yet.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We got two really capable guys.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
We're going to create an environment where they get an
opportunity to compete, to show what they're capable of.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Justin's really taken advantage.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Of the opportunity for additional snaps because Rust been out
some here the first week and so really excited about
the trajectory of it, excited about it. Continue to go
with the process and having them display their skills.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
They're another team really interesting. You know, it's funny when
a football season ends. So you and I from Labor Day,
like Tuesday of Labor Day until late February six and
a half months, like, we don't take a day off
on Saturdays, even with your kids. You're watching games on Saturday.
You know, you and I we don't. We don't get
We get a little break a couple of days off
(26:06):
in Thanksgiving, but we're still around a TV because that's
when it's a great football weekend. And then when football
season ends after the Super Bowl, I do feel like
for a month, I'm like, I'm kind of footballed out.
I want to talk about March Madness was big this year,
or or basketball or or whatever. But by August, late
July and August, I'm so now into it. I'm sitting
(26:27):
yesterday reading for two hours because my TV didn't work.
Oh no, but I watched USA and South Sudan on
a on a small phone, so it was you know, but.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
So would just you have to like read a book
with no I.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Just say I read. I must have read a half
a dozen to a dozen NFL athletic stories. I'm so
geek for.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Football, hey, real quick.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't know if you saw, but there was like
a Steeler's old dust up and I was reading about
it and apparently there was like a late hit on
Justin Fields and everybody on the offense back to their
quarterback up and got in a fight with the defense.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yes, and it's a small thing. You can see this
scrum here.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I just wonder has Fields already won over that locker
room and could that influence Tomlin's decision? Hey man, everybody
loves Justin. We're gonna start Justin I just I don't
know if we're there yet, but.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, this is a real thing and we're not gonna
get credit for it. We were on this three weeks ago.
Is that Justin Fields to the very end in Chicago,
as he was losing games and playing poorly, players loved him.
They didn't love Mac Jones By the second year. This
idea that everybody loves young quarterbacks. Mac Jones was unpopular
(27:40):
by the middle of year two. Like players didn't like him.
I was told one of the offensive linemen went into
his grill early in year two for mac Jones and said,
stop the cheap stuff. I mean, like players were calling
him out. Justin fields lost for four years and players
loved him. Some guys have it. Some guys in locker
(28:02):
rooms everybody likes and some guys are. You know, Russell
Wilson had a little bit of that. He doesn't necessarily
connect with everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And he's gonna have to win win the locker room
over with his play, and that's just not something he's
totally done the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I know you said the numbers are good with Peyton,
but I mean even Brady.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Tom Brady in his prime made a point of trying
to connect with younger teammates music technology. He wanted to be.
I mean, as he became like thirty eight, thirty nine,
forty and his teammates were twenty one, twenty two to
twenty three, Brady made an effort to connect with his
younger teammates. He saw what was happening in the locker room.
(28:43):
Like Russell didn't connect with players when he was twenty six,
and so now he's wealthier he is, you know, he's
a different kind of gravitas with russ than Justin and
the NFL locker rooms simultaneously have been getting younger, not older.
Players now retire earlier because more money is guaranteed. So
(29:04):
the locker rooms are getting younger, and older quarterbacks can succeed.
But you got to be the right kind of personality.
You can't be grumpy old Brett Farb I don't want
to learn a new offense. You gotta be like Matt Stafford.
Like Matt Stafford's wife came out, Remember that, Matt Stafford's
wife came out like a year ago and said it's hard.
Matt's like the dad, they're the kids and Stafford, you know,
(29:27):
Matt was like, you probably don't want your wife saying that, right,
or anybody's saying that, But it's a reality of the NFL.
The league is getting younger because players now can retire.
They don't have to sign a third contract an interior
offensive lineman, that guy's not gonna be with you. He's
gonna retire he didn't want to take the beating. He's
got seventy million in the bank. So it's a real
(29:47):
thing going on here and I think popular Justin Rich Russell,
you go into one two game losing streak, that locker
room's gonna shift and Mike Tomlin is gonna have to
make tough decisions.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Jay mcklenews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Uh. Sean Payton's story on bo nix, This is interesting.
Jmak Top of the Hour, Top of the hour, We're
gonna do our over unders. Five teams I think are
better than the Vegas thinks and five teams that are
a little less qualified as Vegas thinks. We both give
five to ten total. That's at the top of the hour.
(30:26):
During home emergency, every second counts. So why you need
simply Safe twenty four to seven monitoring agents act within
five seconds of receiving your alarm Simply safecolin dot com
to save twenty percent Today, there's no safe like simply Safe.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter nin am Pacific.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to play We tell
you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I
think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug
(31:07):
Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcast on Fox.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
Horizing star Gunner Henderson leads the Orioles against Tose Ramirez
in the Guardians, or a Raise take on the Astros
or Giant Threads, and all begins Saturday at seventy stern
on his Fox check for the game in your area.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Top of the hour, fifteen minutes from now are over
unders a one time showing five teams we think are
better than projections, five teams we believe are worse. Fifteen
minutes from now. Diana Russini stops by Top of the
hour as well the latest with the NFL camps. So
Sean Payton used to work at Fox, Great Turnaround artist
(31:53):
in New Orleans now with Denver first year ian Herrits
Russell Wilson. He makes Russell Wilson about as good as
my opinion as you're gonna make Russell Wilson. At this point,
the defense is awful. That's not Sean's issue. He didn't
draft it. The organization gave up big draft capital to
get Russell Wilson, so he inherited. I've said this before.
When I heard that Sean Payton took the job, my
(32:15):
take was wait one year and take the Chargers job.
Brandon Staley's not gonna last, but Harbaugh got that. He
took a lot of money, and so I think Denver
is not a turnaround job, like it's gonna take some time.
And the Russell Peyton thing I never thought was gonna work.
They're just totally different people. Sean Payton is intense, in
(32:36):
your face, matter of fact, like him or not authentic.
Russell's different, more protective, more optimistic. He's just a different cat,
not a bad, just different. It was never gonna work,
and so now he gets bo Nicks. This is his quarterback.
And before the draft I had projected I think of
all the quarterbacks that match what Denver needs and what
(32:57):
Sean needs and will be available, I would take bow Knicks.
I think he's got some Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater qualities
and Sean was good with both. And so here's so
far at Camp Boon Nicks is now looks like he's
pulling away from Zach Wilson, Jarrett Stidham. Here is Sean
and what he sees.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
I mean, we'll see the tape and evaluated. But I
thought overall pretty well. I mean, you know, there are
clips plays where you're going to look at and correct
and then there's others where you're going to say, hey,
he ran with the ones and.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I like his progress.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So here's one of the things I've learned in life.
If you have a strong personality Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh,
people are going to give you. You get no patience.
I mean it's insane. Harbaugh took over Michigan. The first year,
he doubled the wind total, but he was doing recruiting
trips in Rome. He was sleeping over at recruits house.
He had a big personality, defiant, and I mean by
(33:55):
year three, people were bailing on Jim Harbaugh idiotic, like
he can't coach Sean Payton. Literally, the Saints were the
worst franchise in the league. In fact, I'd argue along
with the Clippers. They were the worst franchise in America
maybe North America for like twenty five years. And literally
he turned him around very quickly. He knows what he's doing.
(34:16):
But Harbon Michigan was not a one year turnaround. It
took them years, probably six years until they had like
an SEC level roster. And Denver's not a quick turnaround.
They gave up draft picks, salary cap, it's a mess.
And so first year he got Russell as good as
he's gonna get. I think you saw Russell as good
as he's gonna get. He was able to move him.
(34:38):
And now they start over and bo Nix isn't going
to turn the world on fire as a rookie in
the division with Herbert and Mahomes. But here's what's interesting.
One of the I saw him play live twice Bonnicks,
and I liked him. It's very good in both games,
made no mistakes, super accurate. What I like about him
is he has sixty one college starts. You know, I
was thinking about it this morning. Does it matter? So
(35:00):
Trey Lance, arguably or inarguably Trey Lance did not have
enough college starts. The Niners wanted a more polished, refined
quarterback with a currently great roster. They just didn't have
the patience for him, so they got rid of him.
But the twenty twenty two draft was a mixed bag,
brought Purdy forty six starts. Clearly that helped him because
(35:23):
the Niners again have a Super Bowl roster. They just
lost patients with Trey Lance. They're like, hey, listen, we're
not interested in a three year bill. You got to
be good now. Brock Purdy was good now because of
all the college starts. But Kenny Pickett had like forty
nine college starts, couldn't play. Desmond Ritter same class, had
forty nine college starts, didn't matter, couldn't play. I mean
(35:45):
before bow Knicks, Colt McCoy had the more college starts,
it didn't matter. Not a franchise guy. So the idea
that all these college starts matter. Kyler Murray had seventeen,
he can play. Daniel Jones same draft had thirty six
camp Joe Burrow only had twenty eight. Doesn't matter, he
can play. So the bottom line is talent is the
(36:07):
most important thing. Here's what I do. Believe a large
number of starts gives you if you view general managers
as detectives. Their job is evidence before a draft. Your
They want your character, they want your injuries, they want
(36:30):
your bad habits. General managers in the NFL view them
as detectives. The more evidence equals the stronger case for
any detective, even a GM playing a detective. So you
have a stronger case for your quarterback that you sell
to the owner and the coach. Yeah, Maholmes had a
(36:51):
lot of snaps in the Big twelve, made a lot
of mistakes through picks. But at some point Bret Veach
says that workouts. We got a lot of evidence here
that the guy's unbelievable. And so with bow Nick sixty
one starts, you have a lot of evidence. Doesn't have
a big arm, a little small, but super accurate. If
(37:14):
you dial up a play, he'll get the ball there.
And he does have some mobility. He moves a little better,
a little like Zach Wilson. He can move a little bit.
He's athletic, he's tough. He took some hits at Auburn
in Oregon. So you've got a lot of evidence. But
I will say this to me with bow Nicks, and
this this was with Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan just lost patience.
(37:40):
We don't know what Trey Lance could become. He just
lost patience because the roster was so great. What also
helps bo Nicks is that Sean Peyton doesn't have a
great roster, and so you can't say, well, I mean,
look at the roster. So bo Nicks comes into a
situation where Sean has already bailed on a Super Bowl
(38:02):
winning quarterback. He is been pitching to his staff this
is the guy. So Sean Payton's gonna have at least
two years of patience with bo Nicks. That's why I
think one of the reasons it will work is not
the college starts, but Sean Payton by year three, he's
safe now. But by year three, after this year, he
(38:22):
got to put up some wins and so he can't
bail on another quarterback. So he already sold to the organization.
We're not winning big with Russ. Let's get rid of him.
And Sean has the leverage and power to do that.
You can't do it with a second quarterback. You're gonna
start losing the GM, the coach, the owner. You're gonna
lose the owners, You're gonna lose people upstairs. So I
(38:42):
think one thing Bownicks has going for him is patience.
Sean Peyton, who's not an overly patient guy, will exhibit
patience here with bo Nicks, and that will be his
greatest ally. He doesn't throw a great deep ball, never
will going to run around like Lamar. You're never gonna
be big now about the same size as Colt McCoy.
(39:07):
But I think he's got I think he's a better player.
I think he's more mobile, more athletic. But I think
a lot of a lot of these things. When you're
not a superstar talent, you can't be difficult and hard
to coach, and you can't make a lot of mistakes.
Boonix doesn't. He's not difficult. Dad was a coach and
he doesn't make a ton of mistakes. You can make
(39:27):
those when you're Lamar Josh Mahomes. You can make mistakes
and throw picks because we're all going wow. So a
lot of this stuff with quarterbacks is how long. I mean,
Daniel Jones would not be in New York if not
for the mar Fa. The Marra family told the GM
and the coach. I see some Eli Manning. So this
stuff is not just he can play or he can't.
(39:49):
It's not really about your college stars. How patient is
the coach, what's what's the runway, what's the owner thing?
What's your timetable? And I think bo Nick isn't talented
enough to be difficult or be on a very short leash.
He needs two full years maybe three to show you
once the once the roster gets better, I can win games.
(40:13):
I can win games, but I don't think he's gonna
burst through. Uh. And if if that was the situation,
if he had the Niners roster, he'd win more games,
but they'd be much less patient. That's the reality of
this league, all right, So top of the hour, you
know what we're doing over unders. There's also a story
in women's basketball today which is fascinating. Remember what the
(40:35):
live tour did the PGA. The PGA players felt like,
we're not paid enough and that enabled the inefficiencies. With
the PGA enabled to live tour, to go, guys, we'll
pay a bigger purses and all the stars, most of
the stars left the PGA. You see this new uh
women's basketball league called the Unrivaled Basketball League, started by
(40:56):
two former WNBA players.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
And one and they're paying paid buckers a bunch of money.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Right, She's like some small ownership stake to the Yukon.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
She's gonna make more for the unrivaled basketball League, significantly
more than Caitlin Clark's going to make for the WNBA.
So it started by Brianna Stewart and uh Naficia Collier.
So the WNBA players, huh, this is how it started
with PGA disrupts.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
I consider myself a.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Dis Oh that's who doesn't Hour two on a Thursday.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
Next
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Foxsports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app
by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right. Here we go live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
One hour from now, Jmack and I do our over unders.
Five teams for both of us we think are better
than their projected wind total. We may be giving away.
(00:47):
Let us today lots of it, and then five teams
we think are overvalued. It's our over under segment until
one time only. It's happens in one hour from now.
I got my I got my gum my new dynamite
gum I take. I got a lot of energy. J Mack,
I'm ready to go to them. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, instead of watching the Olympics last night, I was
digging into over underst We got some winners, for sure,
and some other ones I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, yeah, we're doing five each after about three. Come on,
I'm crossing my fingers on a couple. But I want
to make it challenging. We're not about being right, We're
about making it interesting. So we have ten total teams,
and you know, Vegas doesn't make ten mistakes. That's a
third of the league. But we'll have some fun with it.
So the United States States beats South Sudan yesterday, and
(01:37):
what was interesting is Joel Embiid did not play. And
South Sudan's best player was a center, and supposedly our
best center did not play. So it's like been an
awakening for Joel Embiid, except a bad one. Is that
everybody at the Olympics has to qualify for the Olympics,
(01:58):
you know, except basketball player men's and women's. Caitlin Clark
apparently wasn't good enough. Joel Mbiid should have been the
first team center. And then by the second exhibition game
you realized bam out to buy you and Anthony Davis
not only fit better, are they better? I mean that's
(02:22):
how you select the men's and women's team. It's subjective.
I hope this person fits. Jalen Brown, MVP of the finals.
No thanks, Derek White, fourth best player for the Celtics.
You bet Tatum's great. Doesn't get a minute in some games.
But Embiid not playing to me is a sign the
(02:43):
league is finally getting it on a world global stage.
He doesn't fit and in Philadelphia and here he can
clog up the offense. Now, some of this is and
he's got some really really good skills for his size,
but the NBA me he attends to annoyed stars superstars
before they really are. Jah Moran is a great example.
(03:06):
He's a tiny, tiny, thin player, like go under one
hundred and eighty five pounds. He's small, so what's that mean?
You better be able to shoot? He can't. His best
three point percentage year is thirty four percent. Gets hurt
a lot. He's immature. I understand that players come into
the league early, so I'm not going to bang on
him too much for that. But the reality is I
(03:28):
was told he was going to take over the league.
He can't take over his division, forget his conference. Derek Rose.
I was told for year, Derek Rose, this is the future. Again,
tiny player that can't shoot his career three point shooting.
His thirty two percent in Chicago it was thirty. This
(03:49):
is not the seventies and eighties where slam dunks define you.
You got if you're under six ' five. In this league,
you either have to be an unbelievable defender distributor, or
you gotta shoot. Joe LMB doesn't defend like Anthony Davis.
He's not nearly his athletic, doesn't run the floor like Yannis.
(04:11):
He doesn't have the layers and the dexterity and the
shooting and passing of Jokic. And although he has some
qualities of Shack, he doesn't dominate and win like him.
We are seeing an awakening people finally acknowledging he clogs
up it. We've always blamed the coaches and his teammates
in Philadelphia, but now we have Spolstra and Steve Kerr
(04:36):
and Lebron and Steph and Ad and it doesn't work.
He's been anointed to something he's not. He's really talented
and productive, but the regular season, he's a big body.
People don't even want to take charges. In the regular season,
they get out of the way. Lots of easy baskets,
and his size and his ability eight feet into score
(04:58):
is gonna get points and rebounds. But right now he's
a thirty year old with a mountain of injuries who
has yet to prove he doesn't get in the way
with other great players and he doesn't necessarily elevate others.
The Sixers, as they've built around him, have yet to
win a second round playoff series in the East, which
(05:23):
is like the Big Twelve of college football in the East.
He can't win a second round playoff series, and that's
been eight years. Young Celtics, dysfunctional, Knicks, Pacers rebuilding, Lebron
leaves Miami, Kawhi leaves Toronto. The East has been wide
open for almost a decade, and he can't win a
(05:46):
second round playoff series. What you're seeing is what he
is productive. But basketball in the Olympics is something you
don't have to qualify for. It's subjective and people are
influenced by popularity in production. This, to me is what
the critics of en beat have been saying, and there's
not many look at him. With one coach in Philly,
(06:09):
or another teammate in Philly, or now the world's best players,
he gets in the way. So people draft their quarterbacks
in the first round, and you know this I'm not
telling you anything. When you draft a quarterback in the
first round, there's a much greater chance he misses then
(06:30):
becomes Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Mahomes, much greater chance.
You go to the last decade, it has been I
think thirty two quarterbacks drafted in the first round. There's
been seven stars and seventeen misses. Drake May sounds like
it's not going well in New England. According to Michael Hawley,
somebody I know trust and respect. He said, I went
(06:53):
to recent practices. I wanted him to be Justin Herbert
and Josh Allen because those were the comps. But what
I saw was the ghost of Matt Jones. He could
couldn't do anything right. Sorry to laugh. There's another story
that Joe Milton, he was the quarterback fun to watch
from Tennessee. Six round, they drafted two quarterbacks that Milton
(07:15):
has a wow factor, big, stronger arm than May, more
athletic than May. And everybody's looking thinking is the sixth
round guy better than the first round guy? But part
of it is this take out the Randy Moss years.
Three years, even with Brady Gronken Edelman and no Moss.
New England was never an offensive culture. It was briefly
(07:38):
with Randy Moss, but it was a do your job,
sacrifice for the team, even paycheck. It was never an
organization of offensive creativity abundance. Joy that's Kansas City, that's
San Francisco, that's the Rams. Sometimes it's Philadelphia. It's not
(07:59):
New England. Here's a prime example with the greatest quarterback
in the history of the sport. They went to nine
Super Bowls in New England. Do you know how many
touchdowns they scored in nine first quarters?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
None?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
In fact, in nine super bowls with Brady, with Tom Brady,
they scored total three points in the first quarter. Why
because they were always a play it safe, don't make mistakes,
hyper efficiency, will outsmart and out coach them. Again, the
(08:37):
Randy Moss ears briefly were different. So Drake may comes
into an organization they don't know offense is a defensive culture.
And they hired girod Mayo, who's Belichick mantras terms belief system.
So this was always going to be the toughest lift
(09:00):
for any of these quarterbacks. I said, whoever Minnesota gets
JJ McCarthy is bound to succeed great offensive head coach,
great left tackle, a superstar receiver, good running backs, capable
old line. JJ McCarthy would have to stink to not
be eventually pretty successful. And whoever goes to New England
(09:22):
will struggle. I mean, PFF ranks New England's wide receiving
corps all Belichick drafted as thirty second. PFF ranks their
running back group all Belichick drafted as twenty fifth, their
offensive line as twenty eight. What does that tell you
(09:44):
that the six round quarterback Joe Milton is going to
probably win the job because he's the athlete. He's the bigger, stronger, faster,
more dynamic athlete, and they don't have any at wide receiver,
tied end at running back. Well, when I read this story,
my take is yet Joe Milton will make plays. Listen,
(10:04):
Kirk Cousins and RG three back in twenty twelve got
drafted by Washington and they figured out by year two
Cousins is the guy. I think that's what we're looking
at now. I don't think I'm overreacting. I think when
you look at the historical culture of New England and
then they basically hire Belichick's favorite guy and Belichick's guy
(10:25):
is a defensive guy, and defensive coaches see the world
from a don't make mistakes, efficient run the ball when
you have a lead, eat up the clock. That kind
of mantrak could work with a Josh Allen level player.
But Josh is a playmaker. He can overcome some of
that conservative coaching. C J. Stroud's got a conservative coach.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Stroud's talented enough to overcome that. But Drake May at
his best was a project. Everybody knew that bad feet,
not refined, miss easy throws, got some Herbert qualities. There's
no question. I leaned on my NFL execs. What do
you see? They said, there's a little Herbert, big, tall,
good arm, pretty smart kid. But when you enter a
(11:12):
defensive culture where they just hired another defensive coach, they
have no playmakers. Don't be shocked if Joe Milton wins
this job or gets a lot of snaps this year.
So J Mack, I saw another story with the Jets,
another story with a Jets. Yeah. I hope they're good
(11:35):
because they become a content factory for us, But I
a little disappointing the news.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm here, Well, come week one again, San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Nobody's gonna remember the argument between Rogers and Garrett.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Wilson or the Egypt trip. All that stuff goes out
the window.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It's fun off season fodder though, And you don't get
your yucks. That's a word, right, toys.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Man, that gum ist return around the show. I've got
such great energy today. I don't even they're not even
a sponsor. What am I doing? So I gotta stop talking.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know, I had quit coffee earlier this this year, remember,
and I've started started to want to go back to
it recently.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Do I get that energy? Because I need to match
your energy?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Don't you like coffee though?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Don't you like? I love it?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I don't like the coffee. I like the white chocolate mocha.
You know, Oh that's awful, sugar drink. Those are caring,
They're bad for you.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I just like this. I like the smell of coffee.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noone Eastern a em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates.
None of the bull so for years and years, Green
Bay Packer fans would say, it's no big deal, it's
a media creation. All the drip drip, drip drip of
Aaron Rodgers. You take a shot at this coach, go
on radio and say this, and Packer fans, middle aged
(13:02):
men wearing cheese hats to games, would tell us, lecture
us that it was just a media creation, and we'd
say no. If your wife kept taking shots at you
through your friends, after a while, little things add up
to a big divorce, right, And that's what happened. The
media wasn't wrong, and the media wasn't making stuff up.
(13:24):
You were wrong. Is that he annoyed over and over
and over again the Green Bay front office. So they
eventually bailed on him. He came out of this darkness
retreat and it was like I got caught off guard.
I didn't stop with the palm palms. Be grown ups.
Drip drip drip. If your kid skips a day of school,
(13:47):
probably no big deal. But skips a day of school,
starts hanging around a group of friends you don't really like,
start smarting off to the teacher, it's a big deal.
End up in the back of squad cars, the school's
meth dealer. Little things become big things. Watch pay attention.
(14:10):
Are you noticing what's happening with Aaron Rodgers and Robert Solow?
You're noticing it? Coach on the hot seat, Prickley player
who Green Bay finally gave up on. Listen to this
with Aaron Rodgers. Are you telling me that Stafford would
ever do this to McVeigh, Maholmes, would ever do this
(14:30):
to Andy Reid, Goff, to Dan Campbell, Brady would have
done this to Belichick. Here is Aaron when asked about
his preseason plans.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean that's Roberts's decision. I've never told him
I don't want to play in the preseason. If he
decides he wants me to play against the Giants, I'll
strap it up and look forward to that. I don't
have any restrictions. I'm doing keepers rollouts. It was news
to me yesterday when he said I wasn't going to
(15:05):
play in the first two. Eric sent me that, thank you,
but we hadn't even had a conversation yet about that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Did you have to go there? You really have to
go there? It isn't a small thing. And why did
Aaron do it because of what Robert Salah. He made
a mistake too when Aaron miss camp. Remember this, Aaron
and I spoke before OTIA started. He's been very good
(15:37):
in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's inexcused, but.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
He had an event that was very important to him,
which he communicated.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Just just stay away from that. Talk less. Aaron's not here.
We've agreed to that. That's it. Stop talking. Don't need
to say it's unexcused or inexcused, and Aaron doesn't have
have to say you know, you know, we didn't communicate
at all. Aaron had problems communicating with teammates in Green Bay,
(16:08):
like DeVante Adams who left, and the front office and
now Robert Sala and had a disagreement with Garrett Wilson.
Aaron's not always the easiest person to communicate with, and
he does not want to be called out publicly. So
when Sala did that, and it just was a you
don't have to go places. That's why when I ask
(16:30):
sports figures questions, they have a right not to give
me a straight answer. I'm not appalled by it because
if I was a coach, I wouldn't know as be
honest with the media, I'd be hiding things to protect
my quarterback and my team and my GM and my owner.
I get interviewed all the time. I'm not going to
tell you everything all mostly try to be authentic and honest.
(16:50):
But if you go into an area which could damage
somebody's reputation at my company, I'm either going to make
up up or avoid it because I'm not doing that.
The interview doesn't mean as much as my relationships. So
Aaron takes a shot back at Sala because Sala took
a shot at him, and I know, just like Packer fans,
(17:11):
it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It does.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's the little stuff, you know. I mean, you guys
can keep telling me none of this stuff matters. It
always matters. I always say this. If you see a
husband and wife nitpicking each other at a party publicly,
what's it like on the drive home? So if Sla
and Aaron are doing this now publicly, when they get
(17:36):
beat thirty three to seventeen in San Francisco, how's the
flight home going to be? Not great? But stop trying
to convince me this stuff is nothing. I have eyes,
I have ears, I can see, I can hear it's
not great. McVeigh Stafford. Don't act like that. Belichick. Brady
didn't act like that. Even though they never went to dinner.
(17:56):
Brady didn't call out Belichick. What are you doing? J Mackle?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The news turns this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It's just, uh, the lack of communication between these two
is really on display this summer. Sala and Roger, it's
not good. Not excited for the Jets at this moment.
I'll be fine once the game start. All right, let's
get started with your favorite quarterback in mind, rock Party
Colin Rough.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Couple of days at practice for QB one.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He had seven interceptions earlier this week in a couple
of days, but.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
He bounced back on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh, he bounced back.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Three red zone touchdowns and no turnovers on handoffs.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Oh boy, I knew this was coming.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Listen, Rock Perty's on fire yesterday. George Kittle believes Purty
is making the offense his own.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
I feel like he's just more comfortable with the offense.
Like that's really like he seems very comfortable with it,
and he seems like he's like taking it and making
it his offense. Like just his confidence in the pocket
throwing the ball, telling guys, hey, you know you need
to do this, like you need to push her out
depth here, Yeah, you need to run out of it.
I think he said it too, like he was like,
I want to be great every single day. And you
(19:08):
can see that mindset on him, like he is dialed
in and just locked in every single rep.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Sounds like a leader to me, locked in, dialed in
every rep, making the offense.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
His brock Perty very cerebral.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I like cerebral quarterbacks. I also like guys that don't
those seven picks in camp.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But you think I should put some money on Perty
to win the MVP or is there just no chance? Well, I.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You can, He'll be productive. It's like putting MVP on
Kirk Cousins. He was a Dak productive.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He usually goes to the best player on the best team,
where you could just say the quarterback of the best team.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
He's about the sixth best player on that team.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Seven I said, I said, I admended it. It usually goes
to the quarterback of the team with the best record.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Ravens. Last year, nobody thought Lamar was.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
A better I do not think this team is going
to have the best record they will be potentially one
of the teams in thirty five minutes from now.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I have them on my list. Two interesting. Okay, all right,
so no pretty MVP ticket this.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Thirty five minutes from now. We're doing one time only
one showing only are five over and unders a piece,
so it's ten total teams. Now it's it's hard. We're
not going to go ten for ten. I have two
or three I really feel strongly about, and a couple
I'm rolling the dice, kind of projecting what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
The six for ten, that's a win. Your profitable.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
If we both got three right out of our fives,
you feel pretty good a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Anyways, let's go up to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
They open the season preseason tonight against the Texans. But
no Caleb Williams. Obviously he will not play tonight. A
little disappointing, but whatever. A friend of the show, Mercedes Lewis,
recently compared Kayleb Williams two league to a league MVP
on the Old Facts, No Breaks podcast with Keishawn Johnson.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Wants to be great. You can tell what he you know,
if he doesn't do something correct, He's directed himself like
he's uh can make every brow Lord Aaron Rodgers Aaron
Rodgers as decides a limit for him, I mean, asks
all the right questions. He's a leader, like naturally, he
(21:28):
doesn't walk around like you know, like you know it all,
like he's just I'm impressed so far.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, I trust Mercedes. What he says is right. So
he has been very accurate to me off the air
and on the show.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So Caleb is saying everything right, doing everything right, being
a leader.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
He straddles that line. I understand the people that are
like he's a little cocky. I understand that. I can
see it. I he's been so good for so long,
since he was fifteen, sixteen years old. And I also
think when you go into a losing organization, one of
the things you can't have is doubt. Like I'm gonna
(22:09):
give him a little pass if he's a little more
confident than you'd like him to be, because this organization
has never been able to get offense right in one
hundred and something years. So like to me, he's gonna
have to withstand criticism, losses, and he's gonna need a
lot of confidence. And we don't always get that. You
think all athletes are confident. Is Jason Tatum super confident?
I think he shrinks so like not every great player
(22:33):
is confident. You see it in baseball all the time.
We're a guy in golf where a great golfer loses confidence,
gets the yips, and literally great golfers have bad years.
You see. You see it in batting. And at one
point a Rod was dropped to eighth in the lineup
in a playoff series for the Yankees. I think against
Detroit was it because he wasn't talented? He lost confidence?
(22:54):
So I do think confident quarterback Caleb is gonna get sacked.
He's gonna lose games. I mean, the Packers in the
Lions are Super Bowl contenders, So I'm okay with him
being hyper confident. I am I don't see cocky, but
I understand those who see it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I'm happy that the narrative is changing on Caleb.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Remember a couple months ago, it was why is he
painting his fingernails? Why does he have a was it
a pink cell phone case? What he's crying to his
mom after a game?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Like?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Remember how the narrative was kind of negative on Caleb.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Then he was overly emotional.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, and some of the other other stuff. It's like,
didn't he payin no letters on his fingernails.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
For lighting game? And people are freaking out.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Now it's like, Hey, this guy's on the field in
the locker room and he's awesome and dominating.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Like now we're the stuff. This is the stuff that matters.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Right, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm telling you. I can't wait
to watch the Bears play. I am. So that's why
I wish he was playing a series tonight. What if
the Bears don't play him the preseason they want to
protect him, and he doesn't play until the opener against Tennessee,
Oh my god, that's going to get a rating in
a half.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So didn't Sanchez say he was the Bears opener? Yeah,
Sanchez be there that.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Week meeting with the team.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So maybe for the Friday before Week one we get
Sanchez on.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
All I'm doing is crossing my fingers on the health
of the Bears offensive players. I cannot remember a time
in my life where I looked at Chicago and thought, oh,
I can't wait to watch them. They've always they've had
defenses my whole life. But I mean literally with Aaron
Rodgers and Farv in Green Bay. You couldn't wait to
watch their games, or Peyton Manning or Mahomes. Like a
(24:28):
Chiefs game or a Baltimore game. When you have a
great quarterback. Beyond just being a local fan, it's like, oh,
I want to watch that game. It gets me to
a television. You can't get me to watch Carolina. I
do it because I do this for a living. But
I mean, like Chicago is must see TV so and
they got a lot of one o'clock window games there.
(24:49):
Here's my prediction, Bears merch will explode this year. Chicago
Bears merch. I mean, you see packer hats all over America,
you see cowboy gear, you see watch Bears merch explode.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Boom. That's a good, good take.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Final story is the Steelers and their quarterback competition. We're
using that word now, competition. Russell Wilson has been limited
due to a calf injury. Justin Field's taken a lot
more reps with the Ones and has reportedly been impressive.
Despite the success, Mike Tomlin has not reset the depth
chart just yet.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We got two really capable guys.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
We're going to create an environment where they get an
opportunity to compete, to show what they're capable of.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Justin's really taken advantage.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Of the opportunity for additional snaps because Rust been out
some here the first week and so really excited about
the trajectory of it, excited about it. Continue to go
with the process and having them display their skills.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
They're another team really interesting. You know, it's funny when
a football season ends. So you and I from Labor Day,
like Tuesday of Labor Day until late February six and
a half months, like, we don't take a day off
on Saturdays, even with your kids. You're watching games on Saturday.
You know, you and I we don't. We don't get
We get a little break a couple of days off
(26:06):
in Thanksgiving, but we're still around a TV because that's
when it's a great football weekend. And then when football
season ends after the Super Bowl, I do feel like
for a month, I'm like, I'm kind of footballed out.
I want to talk about March Madness was big this year,
or or basketball or or whatever. But by August, late
July and August, I'm so now into it. I'm sitting
(26:27):
yesterday reading for two hours because my TV didn't work.
Oh no, but I watched USA and South Sudan on
a on a small phone, so it was you know, but.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
So would just you have to like read a book
with no I.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Just say I read. I must have read a half
a dozen to a dozen NFL athletic stories. I'm so
geek for.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Football, hey, real quick.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't know if you saw, but there was like
a Steeler's old dust up and I was reading about
it and apparently there was like a late hit on
Justin Fields and everybody on the offense back to their
quarterback up and got in a fight with the defense.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yes, and it's a small thing. You can see this
scrum here.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I just wonder has Fields already won over that locker
room and could that influence Tomlin's decision? Hey man, everybody
loves Justin. We're gonna start Justin I just I don't
know if we're there yet, but.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, this is a real thing and we're not gonna
get credit for it. We were on this three weeks ago.
Is that Justin Fields to the very end in Chicago,
as he was losing games and playing poorly, players loved him.
They didn't love Mac Jones By the second year. This
idea that everybody loves young quarterbacks. Mac Jones was unpopular
(27:40):
by the middle of year two. Like players didn't like him.
I was told one of the offensive linemen went into
his grill early in year two for mac Jones and said,
stop the cheap stuff. I mean, like players were calling
him out. Justin fields lost for four years and players
loved him. Some guys have it. Some guys in locker
(28:02):
rooms everybody likes and some guys are. You know, Russell
Wilson had a little bit of that. He doesn't necessarily
connect with everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And he's gonna have to win win the locker room
over with his play, and that's just not something he's
totally done the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I know you said the numbers are good with Peyton,
but I mean even Brady.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Tom Brady in his prime made a point of trying
to connect with younger teammates music technology. He wanted to be.
I mean, as he became like thirty eight, thirty nine,
forty and his teammates were twenty one, twenty two to
twenty three, Brady made an effort to connect with his
younger teammates. He saw what was happening in the locker room.
(28:43):
Like Russell didn't connect with players when he was twenty six,
and so now he's wealthier he is, you know, he's
a different kind of gravitas with russ than Justin and
the NFL locker rooms simultaneously have been getting younger, not older.
Players now retire earlier because more money is guaranteed. So
(29:04):
the locker rooms are getting younger, and older quarterbacks can succeed.
But you got to be the right kind of personality.
You can't be grumpy old Brett Farb I don't want
to learn a new offense. You gotta be like Matt Stafford.
Like Matt Stafford's wife came out, Remember that, Matt Stafford's
wife came out like a year ago and said it's hard.
Matt's like the dad, they're the kids and Stafford, you know,
(29:27):
Matt was like, you probably don't want your wife saying that, right,
or anybody's saying that, But it's a reality of the NFL.
The league is getting younger because players now can retire.
They don't have to sign a third contract an interior
offensive lineman, that guy's not gonna be with you. He's
gonna retire he didn't want to take the beating. He's
got seventy million in the bank. So it's a real
(29:47):
thing going on here and I think popular Justin Rich Russell,
you go into one two game losing streak, that locker
room's gonna shift and Mike Tomlin is gonna have to
make tough decisions.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Jay mcklenews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Uh. Sean Payton's story on bo nix, This is interesting.
Jmak Top of the Hour, Top of the hour, We're
gonna do our over unders. Five teams I think are
better than the Vegas thinks and five teams that are
a little less qualified as Vegas thinks. We both give
five to ten total. That's at the top of the hour.
(30:26):
During home emergency, every second counts. So why you need
simply Safe twenty four to seven monitoring agents act within
five seconds of receiving your alarm Simply safecolin dot com
to save twenty percent Today, there's no safe like simply Safe.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter nin am Pacific.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to play We tell
you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I
think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug
(31:07):
Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcast on Fox.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
Horizing star Gunner Henderson leads the Orioles against Tose Ramirez
in the Guardians, or a Raise take on the Astros
or Giant Threads, and all begins Saturday at seventy stern
on his Fox check for the game in your area.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Top of the hour, fifteen minutes from now are over
unders a one time showing five teams we think are
better than projections, five teams we believe are worse. Fifteen
minutes from now. Diana Russini stops by Top of the
hour as well the latest with the NFL camps. So
Sean Payton used to work at Fox, Great Turnaround artist
(31:53):
in New Orleans now with Denver first year ian Herrits
Russell Wilson. He makes Russell Wilson about as good as
my opinion as you're gonna make Russell Wilson. At this point,
the defense is awful. That's not Sean's issue. He didn't
draft it. The organization gave up big draft capital to
get Russell Wilson, so he inherited. I've said this before.
When I heard that Sean Payton took the job, my
(32:15):
take was wait one year and take the Chargers job.
Brandon Staley's not gonna last, but Harbaugh got that. He
took a lot of money, and so I think Denver
is not a turnaround job, like it's gonna take some time.
And the Russell Peyton thing I never thought was gonna work.
They're just totally different people. Sean Payton is intense, in
(32:36):
your face, matter of fact, like him or not authentic.
Russell's different, more protective, more optimistic. He's just a different cat,
not a bad, just different. It was never gonna work,
and so now he gets bo Nicks. This is his quarterback.
And before the draft I had projected I think of
all the quarterbacks that match what Denver needs and what
(32:57):
Sean needs and will be available, I would take bow Knicks.
I think he's got some Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater qualities
and Sean was good with both. And so here's so
far at Camp Boon Nicks is now looks like he's
pulling away from Zach Wilson, Jarrett Stidham. Here is Sean
and what he sees.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
I mean, we'll see the tape and evaluated. But I
thought overall pretty well. I mean, you know, there are
clips plays where you're going to look at and correct
and then there's others where you're going to say, hey,
he ran with the ones and.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I like his progress.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So here's one of the things I've learned in life.
If you have a strong personality Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh,
people are going to give you. You get no patience.
I mean it's insane. Harbaugh took over Michigan. The first year,
he doubled the wind total, but he was doing recruiting
trips in Rome. He was sleeping over at recruits house.
He had a big personality, defiant, and I mean by
(33:55):
year three, people were bailing on Jim Harbaugh idiotic, like
he can't coach Sean Payton. Literally, the Saints were the
worst franchise in the league. In fact, I'd argue along
with the Clippers. They were the worst franchise in America
maybe North America for like twenty five years. And literally
he turned him around very quickly. He knows what he's doing.
(34:16):
But Harbon Michigan was not a one year turnaround. It
took them years, probably six years until they had like
an SEC level roster. And Denver's not a quick turnaround.
They gave up draft picks, salary cap, it's a mess.
And so first year he got Russell as good as
he's gonna get. I think you saw Russell as good
as he's gonna get. He was able to move him.
(34:38):
And now they start over and bo Nix isn't going
to turn the world on fire as a rookie in
the division with Herbert and Mahomes. But here's what's interesting.
One of the I saw him play live twice Bonnicks,
and I liked him. It's very good in both games,
made no mistakes, super accurate. What I like about him
is he has sixty one college starts. You know, I
was thinking about it this morning. Does it matter? So
(35:00):
Trey Lance, arguably or inarguably Trey Lance did not have
enough college starts. The Niners wanted a more polished, refined
quarterback with a currently great roster. They just didn't have
the patience for him, so they got rid of him.
But the twenty twenty two draft was a mixed bag,
brought Purdy forty six starts. Clearly that helped him because
(35:23):
the Niners again have a Super Bowl roster. They just
lost patients with Trey Lance. They're like, hey, listen, we're
not interested in a three year bill. You got to
be good now. Brock Purdy was good now because of
all the college starts. But Kenny Pickett had like forty
nine college starts, couldn't play. Desmond Ritter same class, had
forty nine college starts, didn't matter, couldn't play. I mean
(35:45):
before bow Knicks, Colt McCoy had the more college starts,
it didn't matter. Not a franchise guy. So the idea
that all these college starts matter. Kyler Murray had seventeen,
he can play. Daniel Jones same draft had thirty six
camp Joe Burrow only had twenty eight. Doesn't matter, he
can play. So the bottom line is talent is the
(36:07):
most important thing. Here's what I do. Believe a large
number of starts gives you if you view general managers
as detectives. Their job is evidence before a draft. Your
They want your character, they want your injuries, they want
(36:30):
your bad habits. General managers in the NFL view them
as detectives. The more evidence equals the stronger case for
any detective, even a GM playing a detective. So you
have a stronger case for your quarterback that you sell
to the owner and the coach. Yeah, Maholmes had a
(36:51):
lot of snaps in the Big twelve, made a lot
of mistakes through picks. But at some point Bret Veach
says that workouts. We got a lot of evidence here
that the guy's unbelievable. And so with bow Nick sixty
one starts, you have a lot of evidence. Doesn't have
a big arm, a little small, but super accurate. If
(37:14):
you dial up a play, he'll get the ball there.
And he does have some mobility. He moves a little better,
a little like Zach Wilson. He can move a little bit.
He's athletic, he's tough. He took some hits at Auburn
in Oregon. So you've got a lot of evidence. But
I will say this to me with bow Nicks, and
this this was with Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan just lost patience.
(37:40):
We don't know what Trey Lance could become. He just
lost patience because the roster was so great. What also
helps bo Nicks is that Sean Peyton doesn't have a
great roster, and so you can't say, well, I mean,
look at the roster. So bo Nicks comes into a
situation where Sean has already bailed on a Super Bowl
(38:02):
winning quarterback. He is been pitching to his staff this
is the guy. So Sean Payton's gonna have at least
two years of patience with bo Nicks. That's why I
think one of the reasons it will work is not
the college starts, but Sean Payton by year three, he's
safe now. But by year three, after this year, he
(38:22):
got to put up some wins and so he can't
bail on another quarterback. So he already sold to the organization.
We're not winning big with Russ. Let's get rid of him.
And Sean has the leverage and power to do that.
You can't do it with a second quarterback. You're gonna
start losing the GM, the coach, the owner. You're gonna
lose the owners, You're gonna lose people upstairs. So I
(38:42):
think one thing Bownicks has going for him is patience.
Sean Peyton, who's not an overly patient guy, will exhibit
patience here with bo Nicks, and that will be his
greatest ally. He doesn't throw a great deep ball, never
will going to run around like Lamar. You're never gonna
be big now about the same size as Colt McCoy.
(39:07):
But I think he's got I think he's a better player.
I think he's more mobile, more athletic. But I think
a lot of a lot of these things. When you're
not a superstar talent, you can't be difficult and hard
to coach, and you can't make a lot of mistakes.
Boonix doesn't. He's not difficult. Dad was a coach and
he doesn't make a ton of mistakes. You can make
(39:27):
those when you're Lamar Josh Mahomes. You can make mistakes
and throw picks because we're all going wow. So a
lot of this stuff with quarterbacks is how long. I mean,
Daniel Jones would not be in New York if not
for the mar Fa. The Marra family told the GM
and the coach. I see some Eli Manning. So this
stuff is not just he can play or he can't.
(39:49):
It's not really about your college stars. How patient is
the coach, what's what's the runway, what's the owner thing?
What's your timetable? And I think bo Nick isn't talented
enough to be difficult or be on a very short leash.
He needs two full years maybe three to show you
once the once the roster gets better, I can win games.
(40:13):
I can win games, but I don't think he's gonna
burst through. Uh. And if if that was the situation,
if he had the Niners roster, he'd win more games,
but they'd be much less patient. That's the reality of
this league, all right, So top of the hour, you
know what we're doing over unders. There's also a story
in women's basketball today which is fascinating. Remember what the
(40:35):
live tour did the PGA. The PGA players felt like,
we're not paid enough and that enabled the inefficiencies. With
the PGA enabled to live tour, to go, guys, we'll
pay a bigger purses and all the stars, most of
the stars left the PGA. You see this new uh
women's basketball league called the Unrivaled Basketball League, started by
(40:56):
two former WNBA players.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
And one and they're paying paid buckers a bunch of money.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Right, She's like some small ownership stake to the Yukon.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
She's gonna make more for the unrivaled basketball League, significantly
more than Caitlin Clark's going to make for the WNBA.
So it started by Brianna Stewart and uh Naficia Collier.
So the WNBA players, huh, this is how it started
with PGA disrupts.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
I consider myself a.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Dis Oh that's who doesn't Hour two on a Thursday.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
Next
Hosts And Creators
Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Introducing… Aubrey O’Day Diddy’s former protege, television personality, platinum selling music artist, Danity Kane alum Aubrey O’Day joins veteran journalists Amy Robach and TJ Holmes to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation. Join them throughout the trial as they discuss, debate, and dissect every detail, every aspect of the proceedings. Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise, as only she is qualified to do given her first-hand knowledge. From her days on Making the Band, as she emerged as the breakout star, the truth of the situation would be the opposite of the glitz and glamour. Listen throughout every minute of the trial, for this exclusive coverage. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!