July 30, 2025 • 42 mins
Danny Parkins fills in for Colin
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam opens up about Arch Manning's future
Trey Hendrickson reports to Bengals camp
World Series is wide open
Stephen Jones says they don’t drag their feet in contracts
Guest: KEN ROSENTHAL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It's The Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin from the great city
of Chicago. It is an honor and a thrill to
be here. We're ahead of the trade that line tomorrow,
so we'll talk to Ken Rosenthal later on this hour
see if any team can bridge the.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Gap between them and the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And if a Cowboys personnel person is speaking, they're probably
saying something weird, so we'll get to that as well.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
But I want to be again with noting the calendar.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It's July thirtieth, and on August thirtieth, there's a pretty
big college football game Texas and Ohio State, which means
we get.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To see for real if Arch.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Manning can live up to and begin to even attempt
to live up to this ridiculous and dare I say
unprecedented level of hype because I can't wait for the game.
He is the most compelling story in college football this year.
A Manning is playing quarterback as the Heisman Trophy favorite
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for the team that is the second favorite to win
the national championship. I am not at all surprised that
there is a lot of hype around Arch Manning, but
the hype around Arch Manning, to me, for now, should
be college football hype, not NFL hype.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And if I'm saying that I'm more of an.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
NFL guy than a college guy, I just think the
place that we're in here is Jimmy class and esque.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And I'll explain what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
In basketball, all the time, before you've played a minute
of college ball, we are talking about you in the
NBA Cooper Flag, Zion Williamson, Victor Wembinnama whatever. We've seen
it time and time and time again in basketball. In football,
you normally have to have college production and college hype
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in order for us to talk about you as a pro.
There aren't that many guys who came out of high
school before they really played any college ball and know
that guy's gonna be the number one pick in the draft.
And Arch Manning has ninety five career college pass attempts.
Arch Manning was on the sideline for a long time
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behind quin yours. He's a Manning. If his name was
Arch Jones, which is kind of a cool name, we
wouldn't be talking about him as the number one overall pick.
And I loved Collins theory. Jimmy Haslam, owner of the Browns,
knows the Manning family. Terrible NFL team, quarterback starvation, multiple
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first round picks. Go get Go, get Sabin, go get
Arch Manning, put the band back together, and try to
save the Cleveland Browns. So there's been a ton of
speculation on this show and elsewhere about Arch Manning the Cleveland.
They asked Jimmy Haslam about it, and he's not exactly
fan in the flames.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I think if you know the Manning family, I would
bet that, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Know Arch at all.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Okay, I bet he stays in college two years, So
that's I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Even think that's worth discussing. I don't even think it's
worth discussing.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He says, which, oh, maybe he's a secret operative agent
for the Manning family and he's doing their bidding. We
need to see if this kid is legit. I don't know, touchdown.
The interception ratio in college is great, but this is
a different animal.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
This level of.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Hype, this level of competition, this level of expectation, all
of it is way different than anything we've ever seen
him do before. Shador Sanders had a lot of hype
because of his last name. Arch Manning is obviously going
to have an extra level of hype because of his
last name. But there are just not a ton of
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examples in college football where with this level or this amount,
this lack of college production, we're already slating you to
be the number one pick in the draft. Garrett Nussmeyer
at LSU, Drew Aller at Penn State supposed to be
a good quarterback class. There are other guys that are
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way more accomplished in college than arch Manning is at
this point. Kyler Murray, when he came out of Tech
High School in Texas is forty two to h talked about, Oh,
maybe this best high school prospect in the state of Texas,
maybe he's going to be the number one pick. And
he ended up being the number one pick, but he
had a transfer, he had to sit out. There were
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questions about his size. It wasn't a lock from day one,
and then he had to go out there and ball
out and win the Heisman Trophy and actually earn it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Arch is gonna get that chance.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But normally, when it's a guy that gets all the
hype beforehand, it's tough to live up to. Jimmy Clawson
obviously didn't. Trevor Lawrence ended up being the number one
overall picks certainly hasn't lived up to the hype thus far,
even though the Jaguars gave him.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That second contract. It's just much more of a basketball thing.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And while an owner saying something at a training camp
press conference isn't the biggest deal in the world.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
When you figure Jimmy haslum.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
See Booster brother governor of Tennessee knows, Peyton knows, the
Manning family has a terrible team would absolutely be interested
in drafting a Manning.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
On its surface, it's not nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And so this isn't like protect the kid like he's
a Manning. He's at Texas, He's gonna have hype. He'll
be able to handle it. It's part of the deal,
and it's part of the burden of carrying that last name.
But I'm actually almost more interested in seeing if he's good,
Like how good is he? He looks good, his coach
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says he's good. His coach, by the way, when he
was on with Colin, made.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Him sound a lot like his uncle Peyton. Here's sark.
His work ethic is incredible.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Whether it's you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook,
working at his craft, you know, in the late room
like that that is, I mean, whether it's innate in
him or it was you know, handed down from his uncles,
whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible,
and that lends itself to the teammate that he is too.
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And again that's not to take away the arm talent,
the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I think all
those things are a byproduct of how hard he works
at his craft and how hard he works at being
a great teammate.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So that obviously sounds a lot like a Manning. But
let's just learn from history. This time last year, Carson
Beck was the number one pick and he ended up
going back to school.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Went back to school reportedly because he didn't want to
be drafted by the Jets, and we know about Eli
skipping out on the Chargers to go be a Giant.
Maybe that's fair, maybe it isn't. But there is a
long way to go here. This story is way closer
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to the beginning than the end. And I have no
idea if he'll play one year at college football, two
years of college football, end up being the number one
overall pick, live up to the last name, or ultimately
fall short. It's a tremendous amount of hype, almost impossible
to live up to. Hey, you've thrown ninety five passes
in college, but you're expected to be in the National
Championship Game and win the Heisman Trophy and oh yeah,
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by the way, you're a Manning. Both your uncles were
number one picks at quarterback. Almost impossible for this kid
to live up to the hype. But it feels to
me like we are still years away from him in
the NFL, not at all, one season away from March
Manning being the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You know, it's not terribly.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Often when you're in this business that you get to
be proven right that quickly, but earlier in the week,
and it's only Wednesday, so you know, we're in the
middle of the week, I said, NFL contracts now have
so much money attached to them that holdouts are a
thing of the past.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Disgruntled players are not a.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Thing of the past, but they're hold out to like
an endangered species. They're not gone, we'll see him again,
but way less common in a post Leveon Bell world.
I think that was like a real turning point for players.
Le'Veon Bell sat out a bunch of games. It seemed
to impact him when he came back, and he was
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never the same player since it hurt him financially, reputationally
and with production on the field. But as the money
in the NFL continues to grow and grow and grow
in skyrocket, it's no reason to hold out. And I
bring that up because Trey Hendrickson was so wildly disappointed
in how the Bengals were handling him that he was
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in Florida when the team reported the camp, and then
yesterday he reported the camp.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And so.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Will Trey Hendrickson sign? I don't know when will he sign?
I don't know, but it feels inevitable that this thing
will get done because if you just think about it,
Trey Hendrickson, he's drastically outperformed his contract, where he's expected
to make sixteen.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Million bucks this year.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Holding out from camp and not being there, he was
getting fined fifty thousand dollars a day you go to camp.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That stops. He wants to make presumably what TJ.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Watt got, what Miles Garrett got, because his sack production
is similar to those guys, his age is similar to
those guys. He feels like based on production, he's in
that class, even if athletically he isn't. Maybe he has
more pure pass rushing situations because of the talent of
the offense, that sort of thing. I don't think anyone
would say he's a better player than Miles Garrett, but
he's got the argument to be a north of thirty
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thirty five million dollars per year pass rusher, no question
about it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
He is underpaid relative to his production.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But so let's say the Bengals in his mind are
low balling him and they're only offering him thirty three
million dollars a year, Well, that's doubling his money from
sixteen million, and in a non guaranteed sport, not many
people are in a position to turn down thirty three
million dollars per season, and those numbers are just hypothetical.
But the point is that there is so much money
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now that it's going to be very difficult for guys
to take a principled stand and feel tremendously slighted when
we're talking about tens of millions of dollars a year
to play football. And so I think ultimately this gets done.
Post Leveon Bell, Chris Jones was a high profile one.
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Jonathan Taylor, you know, missed a couple of games. But
for the most part, guys hold in. Guys make noise,
Guys leak things to the press, guys go on their podcasts.
But ultimately all of these deals get done. And in
Cincinnati they look at it like, hey, we've got.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
An offense that is super Bowl ready, scored.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Nearly twenty eight points per game last year, twenty seven
point eight last five years. If you've got an offense
that scores more than twenty seven points per game on average,
you win twelve games per year. Bengals won nine and
that was all because of their defense. So what do
they do? They went out and hired Al Golden to
be their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
They drafted Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Three of their first four draft picks were on the
defensive side of the ball, and probably pay Trey Hendrickson.
I'll be shocked if they don't pay Trey Hendrickson because
they have the money to pay Trey Hendrickson and he's
by far their.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Best defensive player.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So, assuming Trey Hendrickson is back, and then they have
this influx of draft talent plus a new defensive coordinator, Bump,
and the offense stays the same, the Bengals feel like
we can win the AFC North and in the playoffs,
we've got Joe Burrow and we can score thirty a
game and we can go out there and make a run.
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And that's where the leverage for a guy like Hendrickson helps,
because he can be like, hey, you guys are trying
to win a Super Bowl for Joe Burrow, right, I'm
your best defensive player. Let's go get this thing done.
And so when you see contract stories in May, June, July,
players are supposed to be unhappy during negotiations.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's just kind of how it works at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
So I was not surprised at all to see Trey
Hendrickson report to camp. He says or the reports are
that it's a good faith effort to jump start negotiations.
Smart play, don't get fined, jump start your negotiations. Ultimately
be a little disappointed by what they offer you. Double
your salary at least, and go try to win twelve
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football games and be a double digitsack guy once again.
Huge time of the year in baseball right now, the
Dodgers are clearly the best team, but can one of
the teams in that next group, which is very bunched up,
make a big trade to close the gap? Ken Rosen
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Colin trade deadline is tomorrow in Major League Baseball, Ken Rosenthal,
the terrific Fox Baseball reporter and insider, will join us
in just a little bit, who's in play, who's not?
What are the big teams going to do? Because this
is a fascinating year on a number of levels in baseball.
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The Dodgers are the best team. They're the World Series champs.
They're the deepest organization both in overall talent and with prospects.
But they've they got some flaws. They're seven and thirteen
in their last twenty games. They got swept by the Brewers,
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who are We'll get to them in a little bit.
As a Cubs guy, it's annoying how consistently good they are,
but like, they're clearly really good. Second best run differential
in baseball for the Brewers, and the Dodgers have some
serious bullpen problems. But if you look at the odds,
and I often try to base this on the gambling perspective,
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the Dodgers are the favorite, right better than three to
one odds to win the World Series. It's crazy that
the next nine teams are bunched up between eight to
one and thirteen to one Phillies, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros, Cubs, Mariners, Brewers.
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Like the fact that there are nine teams between eight
to one and thirteen to one to win the World
Series shows how truly wide open it is. And I
tend to agree that the National League is ahead of
the American League, especially because of the Dodgers at the top.
But no one wants to play Detroit in a playoff series.
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The Yankees were in the World Series last year, and
we'll see what they do at this deadline. You know,
they can always add The Blue Jays are out in
front of the Yankees. So even though I would give
the lean to National League over American League, I agree
with that conventional wisdom. It's not like there's a cake
walk for a team to go through the American League either.
There's just there's a lot of very good teams, albeit
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teams with flaws. The Brewers, for example, they are amazing
in terms of it just seems like they always get
it done, like runners in scoring position, late inning wins.
It's remarkably impressive and again, frankly kind of annoying how
many close wins they would have. And just like they
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just are a great organization. Lose your GM doesn't matter,
Lose your manager doesn't matter, Turnover talent doesn't matter. Don't
pay guys and trade them at the end and when
you're in contingent windows like hater doesn't matter. It's very
impressive what they're able to do, but they don't hit
the ball out of the park. Twenty fourth in home runs,
twenty eighth in extra base hit, so that's like an
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obvious place where the Brewers can try to add at
the deadline. The Cubs, who've lost back to back games
to the Brewers, are an awesome offense. They have speed,
they have power, they have versatility with lefty righty. It's
a really really star power in Kyle Tucker, Saya Suzuki,
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Pete Crow Armstrong. It gets a very balanced, tough lineup
to navigate through, and they've had guys who have been
very impressive pitching Im and Aga and Boyd most notably.
But do you really feel good about them lining up
in a playoff series with their one, two three. I
know it's more out getters and bullpen games and all
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of that, but ever since the Justin Steel injury, do
you feel like the front end of your rotation can
stack up through the National League in your playoff series.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's a very tough situation.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
To navigate, and I'm fascinated ahead of this deadline, Who
in that group of teams behind the Dodgers is going
to make a big move in order to bridge that gap.
The man who might have the answers the terrific baseball
insider for a Fox, Ken Rosenthal, kind enough to join
us on a very busy time ahead of the deadline. Ken,
thank you very much for the time. You're as plugged
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in on this as anyone. Who do you expect to
be the most active among the contenders in the next
twenty four hours?
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Danny, First of all, I'm want to preface this by
saying the problem we're seeing in this deadline is.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
That there are not enough good players available.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
Now. When you ask me who I expect to be
the most active, Chicago Cubs would be at the top
of the list, along with the Philadelphia Phillies. Other teams
will be active as we well, but those two, in particular,
the Phillies with their bullpen, the Cubs with their rotation,
possibly third base. They are, as you mentioned, powerful teams
with decent enough odds to win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I expect those two teams to be active. The Yankees
are going to continue adding bullpen help, possibly a starter,
but we're gonna see activity. I just don't know that
we're going to see the quality of player trading that
we are accustomed to in the past.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So that's interesting in terms of quality of players. Why
do you think it is? Why are there not as
many good players available?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
It's just cycnical, Danny and which guys are at the
end of contracts. That kind of plays into it, as
well as other factors like just guys coming off injuries.
Sandy al Contra is coming off Tommy John surgery, He's
already pitched a lot of innings this year. Are teams
going to really be willing to meet the.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Marlins price for him?
Speaker 9 (20:52):
Each case is kind of individual, so there's really not
one answer to your question.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
But we're looking at a deadline where the best hitter
available is Ajohano Suarez.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Great this year, no question, all those home runs, but
beyond that, there isn't much offense out there.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
There isn't much starting pitching out there. Beyond al Contra,
Zak Kellen, Zac, Gallen Merrill, Kelly Mitch Keller. It's not
a great group. There are a lot of bullpen arms
and that's where you're going to see a lot of
intense activity.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So you don't think McKenzie gore or like a blockbuster,
a thing like that is going to happen.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
McKenzie Gore is an interesting name because he's, of course
the Washington Nationals all star left hander. But the Nationals
have just changed general managers. They've hired an interrum Mike
de Bartelow to replace Mike Rizzo. Are you going to
let an interim general manager trade McKenzie Gore? Now, McKenzie
Gore is at the same level of service that Juan
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Soto was when the Nationals traded him in twenty twenty two, So.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
From that perspective, you can justify it.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
But there's a lot going on with Nationals right now,
a lot in flux, and I don't know that they're
going to see this as the right time.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's it. The qualifier to everything I'm going to say
is they get the right offer, They'll make the trade.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No doubt about it. Deadlines make deals here.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
As you know, the Yankees are in an interesting spot
with the judge injury and the fact that the Blue
Jayson have been so impressive. How active, if at all,
do you expect the Yankees to attempt to be They've
already been.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Active and they've acquired Ryan McMahon today Austin Slater.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
They're looking for bullpen help as well. Amed Rosario is
another player that they've added. They're going to add at
least one reliever, most likely multiple relievers. They probably will
add a starting pitcher in addition to all that. The
interesting part about the Yankees is that they don't want
to trade any of their top prospects. I don't know
that they see their team this year as worthy of that.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Kind of play.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
And also they want to protect some of their top
prospects and keep them. But they're going to compete.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
They don't see the judge.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Injuries particularly serious. It could be minimal time on the
injured list. So they're going to be quite active.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You're going to hear their name a lot in the
next two days.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What about the other New York team? What about the Mets?
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Aggressive as well, and the Mets recognize that they certainly
need bullpen help outfield.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
There would be a possibility center fielder, preferably. They are
a team that is quite interesting because they've built their.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Talent level now to a point where they've got three
young third basemen or three players who play fair.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Base that one of them could go in their trade.
There's no question about that. They've been linked to Lewis
Robert Jr.
Speaker 9 (23:37):
That's one player from a position standpoint that they've clearly
had interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But the bullpen is their biggest area of need and
maybe a starter as well, because their rotation is a
little bit wobbly to say the least. You've got code
I Sengo, who has an injury history. You've got Clay Holmes,
who probably should be in the bullpen in the playoffs
because this is his first year starting. So the Mets,
what's going to be busy. I can see them doing
multiple things as well.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Talking to Ken Rosenthal ahead of the trade deadline, I
showed the odds before you came on. There's the Dodgers,
and then there's a group of nine teams between eight
to one and thirteen to one to win the World Series.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's very bunched up, Ken.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Do you have a non Dodgers' favorite as the second
best team in baseball?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Danny. I watched that and I thought, Wow, that's way
too much credit to the Dodgers. They have not played
the level that we thought they would, and they still might.
Of course, it all might come together for them. They're
kind of in a post World Series season.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
They've had a lot of injuries, so this malaize that
they seem to have been in could end very quickly.
But if you ask me about other teams, I would
say Philadelphia, I would say the Cubs, and in the
American League, I'm not quite as certain.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
But if the Texas Rangers make.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Some moves here to fortify their bullpen, get another right
handed hitter their common. They've had a horrible season so
far for the most part, but they they much better
of late if they get their offense going again. They've
got the best pitching staff in the major leagues, so
I would consider them a dark horse.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So I love hearing you say my Cubs. I'm a
diehard Cubs fan. But they've just lost two to the Brewers.
The Brewers are in front of them in the standings.
The Brewers had a better record than them last year.
It doesn't seem to matter what the Brewers lose, they
continue to do it. I find it to be tremendously annoying. Frankly,
but how are the Brewers continuing to do this?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
Danny?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
It's not annoying, it's fascinating. Okay, they've got the best
record in the majors right now, and you're right. In
the offseason, they lost William Domas the free agency, they
traded Devin Williams, they had Brandon Woodruff coming off of surgery.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And yet here they are again.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
And if you remember, going back to the first series,
the Torpedo bats and the Yankees crushed them, and they
had all these.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Pitching injuries at the time.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Well, they acquired Quinn Priester, they signed Jose Cantana, and
suddenly they have something of a pitching surplus, a starting
pitching surplus.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Now.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
I don't know that they're going to leverage that at
the deadline, but they should, and I believe you mentioned
this earlier.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
They need power Atohango.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
Suarez would be perfect for them, but it's not the
kind of move that they normally make. They putter along,
they do things on the margins, and they keep going
and keep winning.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So the average, you said, or not as many good
players available right now, But we were looking it up
final two days of the deadline last four years, on average,
thirty six trades made.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Would you expect this to them? Just not as many.
We're not going to see as many moves.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
That's a good question. I would expect not as many.
Now I could be proven wrong with that.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
But part of the problem here, from what I can see,
is that some of the sellers Cleveland in particular, Pittsburgh
as well Minnesota, to some degree, these teams have reputations
as not being that easy to deal with.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Now that's coming from the buyers, and you ask those.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
Teams, they would say, hey, we're just setting our prices
and we're not moving off them. We're staying disciplined. That's
how we have to run our clubs. Of course, it
just depends on your perspective. But that element of it
kind of leads me to believe that we may see
less that some of those Twins relievers might not move
that The Guardians, though they have every reason to do
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some things now with the two guys on nondisciplinary paid
lead for gambling or the investigation of gambling, they are
not going to add. Obviously they could do some things,
but I'll believe it when I see it.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
In all those cases.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What about the Tigers, who comfortably have the biggest division
lead of any of the division leaders in baseball?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Rich going to get richer there?
Speaker 9 (27:44):
They added Chris Paddock the other day. He's starting today,
and they still need bullpen help. Their strikeout rate in
the bullpen is not nearly where it should be. They
need a high leverage, big time guy maybe.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Two in that pen to kind of get them to
a place where they need to be.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
And it's a shame they just lost results in one
of the better starters they did replace them with Paddock,
But they're a little bit more fragile than they've looked
in the last month or so.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
They haven't played as well. They're starting to come back
now to what they were. I expect them to be busy,
but we'll see how aggressive, because this is a team
that does not like to trade its top prospects.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
How have you seen, if at all, the fact that
there are more teams that make the playoffs, Like teams
can convince themselves well, I can just I can make
the wild card, I can get hot at the end.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Have you seen that kind of push the action closer
to the deadline?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No question.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
And there are teams even now that are not quite
sure what they're going to do. Tampa Bay falls into
that category. San Francisco we're not exactly sure where they're
going with this.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
They've played poorly of late. Los Angeles Angels always unpredictable,
So yes, the expanded playoffs has given people with these
teams the thought that, you know what, if we just
hang around, maybe we can get in like the Tigers
did last year. Obviously it's not going to go that
way for every one of.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
These teams, but it is harder to concede when you've
got some percentage chance of making the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
All right, last one prediction time. The biggest name that
we'll move between now and the deadline is who.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Aohano Swarez. He is the Diamondbacks third baseman.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
He is a guy that obviously has had an amazing
season so far, has been an All Star. I don't
know that Mackenzie Gore or Joe Ryan or even Sandel
Contrada is going to move.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
So I'll go with Suarez.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Ken Rosenthal terrific, Fox MLB Insider, thank you so much
for making time ahead of the deadline.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Ken, thank you very much. Thanks Danny, that's Ken Rosenthal.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's fascinating because that grouping of teams like the Mets,
the Cubs, someone step up and maybe overpay the market.
It feels like a trip to the World Series is
right there for you with the vulnerabilities and the flaws.
Frankly of all those teams that are bunched together at
the top. So the deadline coming up tomorrow afternoon, of
course we'll be all over it. But coming up next
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Cowboys executives, they're saying things and it's leading to eye rolls.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Do they have a contract problem on their hands? Danny
parkins In for Colin. This is the Herd.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
Herd on Danny parkins In for Colin at the top
of the hour. Why do a top five for a
top ten, a favorite over under when you can do
all thirty two?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It's gambling season in the NFL, because it's always gambling
season in the NFL, And when Cowboys executives speak, it's
apparently silly season.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I love this organization. They're the best. It's so fun.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's thirty years since the Super Bowl, thirty one teams
and one television production. Everyone has an opinion, love him
or hate them. They have star players, they have legitimate
hype and expectation because it's not like they're not bad.
We sometimes talk about them like they're a terrible organization.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
They aren't.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
They've drafted and developed more Pro Bowlers than any team
in the last decade other than the Ravens. Michah Parsons
is elite, Ceede Lamb is elite. Dak Prescott highest paid quarterback,
was second in the MVP a couple of years ago.
But Stephen Jones went on the radio in Dallas and
he pushed back against.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
A very common media narrative.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I have a theory that maybe you guys drag out
the deals to get engagement from the media, and it's
like the best two million bucks you can spend having
to give Dak a few more.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, let's just start off, we don't agree on that
we don't drag deals.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
That we do deals when there's an opportunity to do
a deal, And certainly no one knows what goes on
in eternally with a particular negotiation. But you know, sometimes
agents and players aren't ready to pull the trigger till
they see other cards play.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So this is one of those weird times where I'm
going to try to operate in the area of gray.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Multiple things can be true.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think the Cowboys drag out deals and it costs
them some millions of dollars on the margins. I also
think we overstate how big of a deal that is,
and he is correct. Steven Jones is correct that we
do not know what these players are doing, and sometimes
the best players of their position, who really do not
have any risk of getting paid, are very interested in
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waiting things out. Dak Prescott had a no tag clause
and no trade clause.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
We haven't seen a player have that kind of leverage
since Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It is super rare. Hey, I'm second for MVP. We
led the league in scoring. I could walk, you'd get me,
You'd get nothing for me. Now they did that after
that four year, one hundred and sixty million dollar deal.
Was smart by Dak's agent to put the no tag,
no trade clothes in. But Dak, of course, he's like,
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I want to it to get paid before me. I
want Jordan Love to get paid before me because I
want to set the bar higher, and I've got the
Cowboys over a barrel.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
He didn't have the no tag, no trade clause, but
the guy who was the only part of the Cowboys
offense got one hundred and eighty targets, superstar player. He
wanted to see what Justin Jefferson was going to get.
He didn't want to risk low balling himself and then
be passed over by like DeVante Smith or something. He
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wanted to wait it out as long as possible. Micah
Parson says that he would have signed last year. We
have no idea if that is true or not, And
we have no idea if Micah Parsons would have accepted
Nick Bosa's at the time record setting deal for an
ed rusher. Seems like he would have reasonably, but we
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don't really know whether he would have or would not have.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But the Cowboys, I do think.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Whether they would call it dragging it out or not
because of the access that we get to Jerry Jones,
to Stephen Jones. Like that clip that we just played
you was from local radio in Dallas. Jerry Jones goes
on local radio in Dallas weekly. During the season, he
did a press conference with Cowboys cheerleaders behind him. He
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talked about Micah Parsons at the beginning of training camp
and took a shot at Dak Prescott. We don't hear
from Howie Roseman like that. We don't hear from Brett
Viach like that in Kansas City. We don't hear like
from Ryan Poles like that in Chicago, or John Schneider
like that in Seattle. We do not hear from these
people with the same degree of frequency that we hear
from them in Dallas. And I think that is what
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directly leads to what that radio host was talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Like, you guys, eat this up.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Whether you call it dragging it out or not, you
absolutely play the media.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
To get into the news cycle.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Because, as I pointed out earlier in the week, I
think Jerry Jones gave away the game in the Netflix
stock in the trailer it's a soap opera three hundred
and sixty five days a year his words. So I
actually think the Cowboys have a little bit of a
leg to stand on on the not dragging out deals thing.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
We don't know what the players are doing in those negotiations.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And the best players with the most leverage do tend
to want to wait till the final moment in this
era of the NFL, because they already are financially secure.
They make a ton of money from endorsements. They make
a ton of money from media deals. Dak Prescott had
already been paid that they are willing to be last
because the last guy to sign gets the most money.
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So I actually think they have a leg to stand
on with that. But they have no leg to stand
on on. But we're not really perpetuating this narrative and
we don't talk.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
About Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
You drag it out as much as anybody, and you
just say funny things. Brian Schottenheimer's already exceeding expectations. You
haven't played a preseason game yet. How's the exceeding expectations?
He rearranged the lockers in the locker room, people are
like sitting next to different people.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He hasn't done anything yet.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So that with all of that access, with these weird personalities,
you say weird stuff, and that's what gets the narrative going,
That's what gets the news cycle going, and that's what
keeps you out there.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So I'm here for it. Keep talking because I actually
legitimately do find them fascinating.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I know a lot of people like I've got Cowboys fatigue.
I don't know They're won twelve games three years in
a row, fired Mike McCarthy and hired a guy who
was already on the staff with the highest paid quarterback
in the NFL, a top five defensive player in the NFL,
and a top five receiver in the NFL. They are
objectively interesting. Keep talking, Jones family, I absolutely love it.
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I want to talk now, though, about a guy who
I wish was a cowboy, because as much hype as
Travis Hunter is getting, I actually do not think it
is nearly enough for what he is trying to do
and what I believe he is about to accomplish. We
know that Travis Hunter is special, but for some reason,
people keep asking the same question about Travis Hunter?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Can you play both sides? Is it possible to do
this in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Doesn't matter what the Jaguars say, doesn't matter how they
drafted him, doesn't matter how they're working him out at practice.
He every time he speaks, he keeps being asked these questions.
And here's the latest on how Travis Hunter responded to it.
Speaker 11 (37:56):
I need to be able to progress everything fast quick.
If the offense change on on defense when I'm on
defensive five, the offense change the strength, I gotta know
what I'm doing right away, and as the offensive we
change the play. I gotta know what I'm doing right away,
So I like that we starting off slow, get me adjusted,
make sure I know where I need to be on
one side of the ball each day, and then they
all come together.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
He says that the people that doubt that he can
do this, the haters, make him smile. I just want
to be very clear and on the record, Travis, I
do not doubt that you can do this. I am
firmly in your camp, and I don't think it is
as crazy as many people are making it out to be.
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And I understand that someone who looks like me, questioning
the analysis of the former NFL players who say this
is impossible feels a little ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But I think a place that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Media, common people and even ex athletes are way behind
on is how incredible the modern athlete it is, and
how incredible sports sciences we've seen great athletes before. Right
Bo Jackson historically great athlete. Deion Sanders historically great athlete,
best cornerback in the NFL, played receiver. His best year
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as a receiver is the thirty six catches. It was
the year he took off from baseball We've seen guys
try to play both ways before, but nowadays, sports science,
sleep science, nutritionists, massage, therapy, everything that these guys can do,
it's different. It used to be, hey, you're a running back.
Once you hit twenty seven, you fall off the clip.
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Now we've got Derrick Henry at thirty approaching eighteen hundred
yard seasons. It's just a different era. These guys are better.
Lebron is playing twenty two years in the NBA. Tom
Brady is winning MVPs and Super Bowl MVPs into his forties.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Aaron Rodgers is still playing. Athletes have just gotten better.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
So why can't Travis Hunter be a great defensive player
and a great offensive player in the NFL When in
college he was a great defensive player and great offensive player.
He won the Bulletannikoff Award and the Bitneric Award, He
won the award for the best receiver, he won an
award for the best defensive player in college.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And this is one of my favorite stats because I
feel like this is going to fall this year.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
This record most snaps played by a single player in
a season. It's not a household name, but Malcolm Jenkins
in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen was over thirteen hundred
and fifty snaps. He played every game as a corner
and then he also would play on the coverage units
on special teams, so it was thirteen hundred and fifty
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seven snaps. As the record for most snaps in a
season by an NFL player, Travis Hunter played fourteen hundred
and eighty three snaps in thirteen games last year in
thirteen games. So if Travis Hunter shatters Malcolm Jenkins's record
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for most snaps in a season as a rookie and
at the rate that he did it in college, if
he did it in the NFL, he would break it
by like four hundred snaps. But let's assume that they're
going to slow play it a little bit. He can
change the sport. He can change how we think about
what a world class athlete in football is able to do.
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And that to me is excited because in baseball with
Shoeo Tani, it's blowing all of our minds.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
But you've got to do it from a young age.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
You've got to keep doing it from a young age,
and maybe we will see the next show Heyo Tani
in ten or fifteen years If Travis Hunter proves that
he can do this, we're going to see it much
quicker in the NFL. Hey, you're an awesome athlete. Can
you catch? Let's put you out there on both sides
of the ball. And I think that the possibilities and
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the expectations of what Jacksonville is trying to do with
this kid is so potentially game changing in landscape shifting
that if he just wasn't in Jacksonville, we'd be talking
about it way more. He's by far one of the
most interesting stories of this upcoming NFL season, and I
just want to be very clear he will.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Do it, and I expect him to do it coming
up next.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I went sixty five percent against the spread in the
NFL last year, so I may as well.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Last day in for Colin pick every NFL over under.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It's The Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin from the great city
of Chicago. It is an honor and a thrill to
be here. We're ahead of the trade that line tomorrow,
so we'll talk to Ken Rosenthal later on this hour
see if any team can bridge the.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Gap between them and the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And if a Cowboys personnel person is speaking, they're probably
saying something weird, so we'll get to that as well.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
But I want to be again with noting the calendar.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It's July thirtieth, and on August thirtieth, there's a pretty
big college football game Texas and Ohio State, which means
we get.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To see for real if Arch.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Manning can live up to and begin to even attempt
to live up to this ridiculous and dare I say
unprecedented level of hype because I can't wait for the game.
He is the most compelling story in college football this year.
A Manning is playing quarterback as the Heisman Trophy favorite
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for the team that is the second favorite to win
the national championship. I am not at all surprised that
there is a lot of hype around Arch Manning, but
the hype around Arch Manning, to me, for now, should
be college football hype, not NFL hype.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And if I'm saying that I'm more of an.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
NFL guy than a college guy, I just think the
place that we're in here is Jimmy class and esque.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And I'll explain what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
In basketball, all the time, before you've played a minute
of college ball, we are talking about you in the
NBA Cooper Flag, Zion Williamson, Victor Wembinnama whatever. We've seen
it time and time and time again in basketball. In football,
you normally have to have college production and college hype
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in order for us to talk about you as a pro.
There aren't that many guys who came out of high
school before they really played any college ball and know
that guy's gonna be the number one pick in the draft.
And Arch Manning has ninety five career college pass attempts.
Arch Manning was on the sideline for a long time
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behind quin yours. He's a Manning. If his name was
Arch Jones, which is kind of a cool name, we
wouldn't be talking about him as the number one overall pick.
And I loved Collins theory. Jimmy Haslam, owner of the Browns,
knows the Manning family. Terrible NFL team, quarterback starvation, multiple
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first round picks. Go get Go, get Sabin, go get
Arch Manning, put the band back together, and try to
save the Cleveland Browns. So there's been a ton of
speculation on this show and elsewhere about Arch Manning the Cleveland.
They asked Jimmy Haslam about it, and he's not exactly
fan in the flames.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I think if you know the Manning family, I would
bet that, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Know Arch at all.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Okay, I bet he stays in college two years, So
that's I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Even think that's worth discussing. I don't even think it's
worth discussing.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He says, which, oh, maybe he's a secret operative agent
for the Manning family and he's doing their bidding. We
need to see if this kid is legit. I don't know, touchdown.
The interception ratio in college is great, but this is
a different animal.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
This level of.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Hype, this level of competition, this level of expectation, all
of it is way different than anything we've ever seen
him do before. Shador Sanders had a lot of hype
because of his last name. Arch Manning is obviously going
to have an extra level of hype because of his
last name. But there are just not a ton of
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examples in college football where with this level or this amount,
this lack of college production, we're already slating you to
be the number one pick in the draft. Garrett Nussmeyer
at LSU, Drew Aller at Penn State supposed to be
a good quarterback class. There are other guys that are
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way more accomplished in college than arch Manning is at
this point. Kyler Murray, when he came out of Tech
High School in Texas is forty two to h talked about, Oh,
maybe this best high school prospect in the state of Texas,
maybe he's going to be the number one pick. And
he ended up being the number one pick, but he
had a transfer, he had to sit out. There were
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questions about his size. It wasn't a lock from day one,
and then he had to go out there and ball
out and win the Heisman Trophy and actually earn it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Arch is gonna get that chance.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But normally, when it's a guy that gets all the
hype beforehand, it's tough to live up to. Jimmy Clawson
obviously didn't. Trevor Lawrence ended up being the number one
overall picks certainly hasn't lived up to the hype thus far,
even though the Jaguars gave him.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That second contract. It's just much more of a basketball thing.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And while an owner saying something at a training camp
press conference isn't the biggest deal in the world.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
When you figure Jimmy haslum.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
See Booster brother governor of Tennessee knows, Peyton knows, the
Manning family has a terrible team would absolutely be interested
in drafting a Manning.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
On its surface, it's not nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And so this isn't like protect the kid like he's
a Manning. He's at Texas, He's gonna have hype. He'll
be able to handle it. It's part of the deal,
and it's part of the burden of carrying that last name.
But I'm actually almost more interested in seeing if he's good,
Like how good is he? He looks good, his coach
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says he's good. His coach, by the way, when he
was on with Colin, made.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Him sound a lot like his uncle Peyton. Here's sark.
His work ethic is incredible.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Whether it's you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook,
working at his craft, you know, in the late room
like that that is, I mean, whether it's innate in
him or it was you know, handed down from his uncles,
whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible,
and that lends itself to the teammate that he is too.
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And again that's not to take away the arm talent,
the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I think all
those things are a byproduct of how hard he works
at his craft and how hard he works at being
a great teammate.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So that obviously sounds a lot like a Manning. But
let's just learn from history. This time last year, Carson
Beck was the number one pick and he ended up
going back to school.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Went back to school reportedly because he didn't want to
be drafted by the Jets, and we know about Eli
skipping out on the Chargers to go be a Giant.
Maybe that's fair, maybe it isn't. But there is a
long way to go here. This story is way closer
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to the beginning than the end. And I have no
idea if he'll play one year at college football, two
years of college football, end up being the number one
overall pick, live up to the last name, or ultimately
fall short. It's a tremendous amount of hype, almost impossible
to live up to. Hey, you've thrown ninety five passes
in college, but you're expected to be in the National
Championship Game and win the Heisman Trophy and oh yeah,
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by the way, you're a Manning. Both your uncles were
number one picks at quarterback. Almost impossible for this kid
to live up to the hype. But it feels to
me like we are still years away from him in
the NFL, not at all, one season away from March
Manning being the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You know, it's not terribly.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Often when you're in this business that you get to
be proven right that quickly, but earlier in the week,
and it's only Wednesday, so you know, we're in the
middle of the week, I said, NFL contracts now have
so much money attached to them that holdouts are a
thing of the past.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Disgruntled players are not a.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Thing of the past, but they're hold out to like
an endangered species. They're not gone, we'll see him again,
but way less common in a post Leveon Bell world.
I think that was like a real turning point for players.
Le'Veon Bell sat out a bunch of games. It seemed
to impact him when he came back, and he was
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never the same player since it hurt him financially, reputationally
and with production on the field. But as the money
in the NFL continues to grow and grow and grow
in skyrocket, it's no reason to hold out. And I
bring that up because Trey Hendrickson was so wildly disappointed
in how the Bengals were handling him that he was
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in Florida when the team reported the camp, and then
yesterday he reported the camp.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And so.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Will Trey Hendrickson sign? I don't know when will he sign?
I don't know, but it feels inevitable that this thing
will get done because if you just think about it,
Trey Hendrickson, he's drastically outperformed his contract, where he's expected
to make sixteen.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Million bucks this year.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Holding out from camp and not being there, he was
getting fined fifty thousand dollars a day you go to camp.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That stops. He wants to make presumably what TJ.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Watt got, what Miles Garrett got, because his sack production
is similar to those guys, his age is similar to
those guys. He feels like based on production, he's in
that class, even if athletically he isn't. Maybe he has
more pure pass rushing situations because of the talent of
the offense, that sort of thing. I don't think anyone
would say he's a better player than Miles Garrett, but
he's got the argument to be a north of thirty
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thirty five million dollars per year pass rusher, no question
about it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
He is underpaid relative to his production.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But so let's say the Bengals in his mind are
low balling him and they're only offering him thirty three
million dollars a year, Well, that's doubling his money from
sixteen million, and in a non guaranteed sport, not many
people are in a position to turn down thirty three
million dollars per season, and those numbers are just hypothetical.
But the point is that there is so much money
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now that it's going to be very difficult for guys
to take a principled stand and feel tremendously slighted when
we're talking about tens of millions of dollars a year
to play football. And so I think ultimately this gets done.
Post Leveon Bell, Chris Jones was a high profile one.
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Jonathan Taylor, you know, missed a couple of games. But
for the most part, guys hold in. Guys make noise,
Guys leak things to the press, guys go on their podcasts.
But ultimately all of these deals get done. And in
Cincinnati they look at it like, hey, we've got.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
An offense that is super Bowl ready, scored.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Nearly twenty eight points per game last year, twenty seven
point eight last five years. If you've got an offense
that scores more than twenty seven points per game on average,
you win twelve games per year. Bengals won nine and
that was all because of their defense. So what do
they do? They went out and hired Al Golden to
be their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
They drafted Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Three of their first four draft picks were on the
defensive side of the ball, and probably pay Trey Hendrickson.
I'll be shocked if they don't pay Trey Hendrickson because
they have the money to pay Trey Hendrickson and he's
by far their.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Best defensive player.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So, assuming Trey Hendrickson is back, and then they have
this influx of draft talent plus a new defensive coordinator, Bump,
and the offense stays the same, the Bengals feel like
we can win the AFC North and in the playoffs,
we've got Joe Burrow and we can score thirty a
game and we can go out there and make a run.
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And that's where the leverage for a guy like Hendrickson helps,
because he can be like, hey, you guys are trying
to win a Super Bowl for Joe Burrow, right, I'm
your best defensive player. Let's go get this thing done.
And so when you see contract stories in May, June, July,
players are supposed to be unhappy during negotiations.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's just kind of how it works at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
So I was not surprised at all to see Trey
Hendrickson report to camp. He says or the reports are
that it's a good faith effort to jump start negotiations.
Smart play, don't get fined, jump start your negotiations. Ultimately
be a little disappointed by what they offer you. Double
your salary at least, and go try to win twelve
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football games and be a double digitsack guy once again.
Huge time of the year in baseball right now, the
Dodgers are clearly the best team, but can one of
the teams in that next group, which is very bunched up,
make a big trade to close the gap? Ken Rosen
fallen a bit. I'm Danny Farkinson for Colin.
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Speaker 3 (15:22):
Back in on the Herd on Danny parkins in for
Colin trade deadline is tomorrow in Major League Baseball, Ken Rosenthal,
the terrific Fox Baseball reporter and insider, will join us
in just a little bit, who's in play, who's not?
What are the big teams going to do? Because this
is a fascinating year on a number of levels in baseball.
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The Dodgers are the best team. They're the World Series champs.
They're the deepest organization both in overall talent and with prospects.
But they've they got some flaws. They're seven and thirteen
in their last twenty games. They got swept by the Brewers,
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who are We'll get to them in a little bit.
As a Cubs guy, it's annoying how consistently good they are,
but like, they're clearly really good. Second best run differential
in baseball for the Brewers, and the Dodgers have some
serious bullpen problems. But if you look at the odds,
and I often try to base this on the gambling perspective,
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the Dodgers are the favorite, right better than three to
one odds to win the World Series. It's crazy that
the next nine teams are bunched up between eight to
one and thirteen to one Phillies, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros, Cubs, Mariners, Brewers.
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Like the fact that there are nine teams between eight
to one and thirteen to one to win the World
Series shows how truly wide open it is. And I
tend to agree that the National League is ahead of
the American League, especially because of the Dodgers at the top.
But no one wants to play Detroit in a playoff series.
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The Yankees were in the World Series last year, and
we'll see what they do at this deadline. You know,
they can always add The Blue Jays are out in
front of the Yankees. So even though I would give
the lean to National League over American League, I agree
with that conventional wisdom. It's not like there's a cake
walk for a team to go through the American League either.
There's just there's a lot of very good teams, albeit
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teams with flaws. The Brewers, for example, they are amazing
in terms of it just seems like they always get
it done, like runners in scoring position, late inning wins.
It's remarkably impressive and again, frankly kind of annoying how
many close wins they would have. And just like they
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just are a great organization. Lose your GM doesn't matter,
Lose your manager doesn't matter, Turnover talent doesn't matter. Don't
pay guys and trade them at the end and when
you're in contingent windows like hater doesn't matter. It's very
impressive what they're able to do, but they don't hit
the ball out of the park. Twenty fourth in home runs,
twenty eighth in extra base hit, so that's like an
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obvious place where the Brewers can try to add at
the deadline. The Cubs, who've lost back to back games
to the Brewers, are an awesome offense. They have speed,
they have power, they have versatility with lefty righty. It's
a really really star power in Kyle Tucker, Saya Suzuki,
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Pete Crow Armstrong. It gets a very balanced, tough lineup
to navigate through, and they've had guys who have been
very impressive pitching Im and Aga and Boyd most notably.
But do you really feel good about them lining up
in a playoff series with their one, two three. I
know it's more out getters and bullpen games and all
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of that, but ever since the Justin Steel injury, do
you feel like the front end of your rotation can
stack up through the National League in your playoff series.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's a very tough situation.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
To navigate, and I'm fascinated ahead of this deadline, Who
in that group of teams behind the Dodgers is going
to make a big move in order to bridge that gap.
The man who might have the answers the terrific baseball
insider for a Fox, Ken Rosenthal, kind enough to join
us on a very busy time ahead of the deadline. Ken,
thank you very much for the time. You're as plugged
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in on this as anyone. Who do you expect to
be the most active among the contenders in the next
twenty four hours?
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Danny, First of all, I'm want to preface this by
saying the problem we're seeing in this deadline is.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
That there are not enough good players available.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
Now. When you ask me who I expect to be
the most active, Chicago Cubs would be at the top
of the list, along with the Philadelphia Phillies. Other teams
will be active as we well, but those two, in particular,
the Phillies with their bullpen, the Cubs with their rotation,
possibly third base. They are, as you mentioned, powerful teams
with decent enough odds to win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I expect those two teams to be active. The Yankees
are going to continue adding bullpen help, possibly a starter,
but we're gonna see activity. I just don't know that
we're going to see the quality of player trading that
we are accustomed to in the past.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So that's interesting in terms of quality of players. Why
do you think it is? Why are there not as
many good players available?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
It's just cycnical, Danny and which guys are at the
end of contracts. That kind of plays into it, as
well as other factors like just guys coming off injuries.
Sandy al Contra is coming off Tommy John surgery, He's
already pitched a lot of innings this year. Are teams
going to really be willing to meet the.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Marlins price for him?
Speaker 9 (20:52):
Each case is kind of individual, so there's really not
one answer to your question.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
But we're looking at a deadline where the best hitter
available is Ajohano Suarez.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Great this year, no question, all those home runs, but
beyond that, there isn't much offense out there.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
There isn't much starting pitching out there. Beyond al Contra,
Zak Kellen, Zac, Gallen Merrill, Kelly Mitch Keller. It's not
a great group. There are a lot of bullpen arms
and that's where you're going to see a lot of
intense activity.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So you don't think McKenzie gore or like a blockbuster,
a thing like that is going to happen.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
McKenzie Gore is an interesting name because he's, of course
the Washington Nationals all star left hander. But the Nationals
have just changed general managers. They've hired an interrum Mike
de Bartelow to replace Mike Rizzo. Are you going to
let an interim general manager trade McKenzie Gore? Now, McKenzie
Gore is at the same level of service that Juan
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Soto was when the Nationals traded him in twenty twenty two, So.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
From that perspective, you can justify it.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
But there's a lot going on with Nationals right now,
a lot in flux, and I don't know that they're
going to see this as the right time.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's it. The qualifier to everything I'm going to say
is they get the right offer, They'll make the trade.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No doubt about it. Deadlines make deals here.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
As you know, the Yankees are in an interesting spot
with the judge injury and the fact that the Blue
Jayson have been so impressive. How active, if at all,
do you expect the Yankees to attempt to be They've
already been.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Active and they've acquired Ryan McMahon today Austin Slater.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
They're looking for bullpen help as well. Amed Rosario is
another player that they've added. They're going to add at
least one reliever, most likely multiple relievers. They probably will
add a starting pitcher in addition to all that. The
interesting part about the Yankees is that they don't want
to trade any of their top prospects. I don't know
that they see their team this year as worthy of that.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Kind of play.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
And also they want to protect some of their top
prospects and keep them. But they're going to compete.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
They don't see the judge.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Injuries particularly serious. It could be minimal time on the
injured list. So they're going to be quite active.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You're going to hear their name a lot in the
next two days.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What about the other New York team? What about the Mets?
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Aggressive as well, and the Mets recognize that they certainly
need bullpen help outfield.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
There would be a possibility center fielder, preferably. They are
a team that is quite interesting because they've built their.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Talent level now to a point where they've got three
young third basemen or three players who play fair.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Base that one of them could go in their trade.
There's no question about that. They've been linked to Lewis
Robert Jr.
Speaker 9 (23:37):
That's one player from a position standpoint that they've clearly
had interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But the bullpen is their biggest area of need and
maybe a starter as well, because their rotation is a
little bit wobbly to say the least. You've got code
I Sengo, who has an injury history. You've got Clay Holmes,
who probably should be in the bullpen in the playoffs
because this is his first year starting. So the Mets,
what's going to be busy. I can see them doing
multiple things as well.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Talking to Ken Rosenthal ahead of the trade deadline, I
showed the odds before you came on. There's the Dodgers,
and then there's a group of nine teams between eight
to one and thirteen to one to win the World Series.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's very bunched up, Ken.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Do you have a non Dodgers' favorite as the second
best team in baseball?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Danny. I watched that and I thought, Wow, that's way
too much credit to the Dodgers. They have not played
the level that we thought they would, and they still might.
Of course, it all might come together for them. They're
kind of in a post World Series season.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
They've had a lot of injuries, so this malaize that
they seem to have been in could end very quickly.
But if you ask me about other teams, I would
say Philadelphia, I would say the Cubs, and in the
American League, I'm not quite as certain.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
But if the Texas Rangers make.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Some moves here to fortify their bullpen, get another right
handed hitter their common. They've had a horrible season so
far for the most part, but they they much better
of late if they get their offense going again. They've
got the best pitching staff in the major leagues, so
I would consider them a dark horse.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So I love hearing you say my Cubs. I'm a
diehard Cubs fan. But they've just lost two to the Brewers.
The Brewers are in front of them in the standings.
The Brewers had a better record than them last year.
It doesn't seem to matter what the Brewers lose, they
continue to do it. I find it to be tremendously annoying. Frankly,
but how are the Brewers continuing to do this?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
Danny?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
It's not annoying, it's fascinating. Okay, they've got the best
record in the majors right now, and you're right. In
the offseason, they lost William Domas the free agency, they
traded Devin Williams, they had Brandon Woodruff coming off of surgery.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And yet here they are again.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
And if you remember, going back to the first series,
the Torpedo bats and the Yankees crushed them, and they
had all these.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Pitching injuries at the time.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Well, they acquired Quinn Priester, they signed Jose Cantana, and
suddenly they have something of a pitching surplus, a starting
pitching surplus.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Now.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
I don't know that they're going to leverage that at
the deadline, but they should, and I believe you mentioned
this earlier.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
They need power Atohango.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
Suarez would be perfect for them, but it's not the
kind of move that they normally make. They putter along,
they do things on the margins, and they keep going
and keep winning.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So the average, you said, or not as many good
players available right now, But we were looking it up
final two days of the deadline last four years, on average,
thirty six trades made.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Would you expect this to them? Just not as many.
We're not going to see as many moves.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
That's a good question. I would expect not as many.
Now I could be proven wrong with that.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
But part of the problem here, from what I can see,
is that some of the sellers Cleveland in particular, Pittsburgh
as well Minnesota, to some degree, these teams have reputations
as not being that easy to deal with.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Now that's coming from the buyers, and you ask those.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
Teams, they would say, hey, we're just setting our prices
and we're not moving off them. We're staying disciplined. That's
how we have to run our clubs. Of course, it
just depends on your perspective. But that element of it
kind of leads me to believe that we may see
less that some of those Twins relievers might not move
that The Guardians, though they have every reason to do
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some things now with the two guys on nondisciplinary paid
lead for gambling or the investigation of gambling, they are
not going to add. Obviously they could do some things,
but I'll believe it when I see it.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
In all those cases.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What about the Tigers, who comfortably have the biggest division
lead of any of the division leaders in baseball?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Rich going to get richer there?
Speaker 9 (27:44):
They added Chris Paddock the other day. He's starting today,
and they still need bullpen help. Their strikeout rate in
the bullpen is not nearly where it should be. They
need a high leverage, big time guy maybe.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Two in that pen to kind of get them to
a place where they need to be.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
And it's a shame they just lost results in one
of the better starters they did replace them with Paddock,
But they're a little bit more fragile than they've looked
in the last month or so.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
They haven't played as well. They're starting to come back
now to what they were. I expect them to be busy,
but we'll see how aggressive, because this is a team
that does not like to trade its top prospects.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
How have you seen, if at all, the fact that
there are more teams that make the playoffs, Like teams
can convince themselves well, I can just I can make
the wild card, I can get hot at the end.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Have you seen that kind of push the action closer
to the deadline?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No question.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
And there are teams even now that are not quite
sure what they're going to do. Tampa Bay falls into
that category. San Francisco we're not exactly sure where they're
going with this.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
They've played poorly of late. Los Angeles Angels always unpredictable,
So yes, the expanded playoffs has given people with these
teams the thought that, you know what, if we just
hang around, maybe we can get in like the Tigers
did last year. Obviously it's not going to go that
way for every one of.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
These teams, but it is harder to concede when you've
got some percentage chance of making the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
All right, last one prediction time. The biggest name that
we'll move between now and the deadline is who.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Aohano Swarez. He is the Diamondbacks third baseman.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
He is a guy that obviously has had an amazing
season so far, has been an All Star. I don't
know that Mackenzie Gore or Joe Ryan or even Sandel
Contrada is going to move.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
So I'll go with Suarez.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Ken Rosenthal terrific, Fox MLB Insider, thank you so much
for making time ahead of the deadline.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Ken, thank you very much. Thanks Danny, that's Ken Rosenthal.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's fascinating because that grouping of teams like the Mets,
the Cubs, someone step up and maybe overpay the market.
It feels like a trip to the World Series is
right there for you with the vulnerabilities and the flaws.
Frankly of all those teams that are bunched together at
the top. So the deadline coming up tomorrow afternoon, of
course we'll be all over it. But coming up next
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Cowboys executives, they're saying things and it's leading to eye rolls.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Do they have a contract problem on their hands? Danny
parkins In for Colin. This is the Herd.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
Herd on Danny parkins In for Colin at the top
of the hour. Why do a top five for a
top ten, a favorite over under when you can do
all thirty two?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It's gambling season in the NFL, because it's always gambling
season in the NFL, And when Cowboys executives speak, it's
apparently silly season.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I love this organization. They're the best. It's so fun.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's thirty years since the Super Bowl, thirty one teams
and one television production. Everyone has an opinion, love him
or hate them. They have star players, they have legitimate
hype and expectation because it's not like they're not bad.
We sometimes talk about them like they're a terrible organization.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
They aren't.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
They've drafted and developed more Pro Bowlers than any team
in the last decade other than the Ravens. Michah Parsons
is elite, Ceede Lamb is elite. Dak Prescott highest paid quarterback,
was second in the MVP a couple of years ago.
But Stephen Jones went on the radio in Dallas and
he pushed back against.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
A very common media narrative.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I have a theory that maybe you guys drag out
the deals to get engagement from the media, and it's
like the best two million bucks you can spend having
to give Dak a few more.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, let's just start off, we don't agree on that
we don't drag deals.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
That we do deals when there's an opportunity to do
a deal, And certainly no one knows what goes on
in eternally with a particular negotiation. But you know, sometimes
agents and players aren't ready to pull the trigger till
they see other cards play.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So this is one of those weird times where I'm
going to try to operate in the area of gray.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Multiple things can be true.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think the Cowboys drag out deals and it costs
them some millions of dollars on the margins. I also
think we overstate how big of a deal that is,
and he is correct. Steven Jones is correct that we
do not know what these players are doing, and sometimes
the best players of their position, who really do not
have any risk of getting paid, are very interested in
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waiting things out. Dak Prescott had a no tag clause
and no trade clause.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
We haven't seen a player have that kind of leverage
since Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It is super rare. Hey, I'm second for MVP. We
led the league in scoring. I could walk, you'd get me,
You'd get nothing for me. Now they did that after
that four year, one hundred and sixty million dollar deal.
Was smart by Dak's agent to put the no tag,
no trade clothes in. But Dak, of course, he's like,
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I want to it to get paid before me. I
want Jordan Love to get paid before me because I
want to set the bar higher, and I've got the
Cowboys over a barrel.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
He didn't have the no tag, no trade clause, but
the guy who was the only part of the Cowboys
offense got one hundred and eighty targets, superstar player. He
wanted to see what Justin Jefferson was going to get.
He didn't want to risk low balling himself and then
be passed over by like DeVante Smith or something. He
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wanted to wait it out as long as possible. Micah
Parson says that he would have signed last year. We
have no idea if that is true or not, And
we have no idea if Micah Parsons would have accepted
Nick Bosa's at the time record setting deal for an
ed rusher. Seems like he would have reasonably, but we
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don't really know whether he would have or would not have.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But the Cowboys, I do think.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Whether they would call it dragging it out or not
because of the access that we get to Jerry Jones,
to Stephen Jones. Like that clip that we just played
you was from local radio in Dallas. Jerry Jones goes
on local radio in Dallas weekly. During the season, he
did a press conference with Cowboys cheerleaders behind him. He
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talked about Micah Parsons at the beginning of training camp
and took a shot at Dak Prescott. We don't hear
from Howie Roseman like that. We don't hear from Brett
Viach like that in Kansas City. We don't hear like
from Ryan Poles like that in Chicago, or John Schneider
like that in Seattle. We do not hear from these
people with the same degree of frequency that we hear
from them in Dallas. And I think that is what
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directly leads to what that radio host was talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Like, you guys, eat this up.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Whether you call it dragging it out or not, you
absolutely play the media.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
To get into the news cycle.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Because, as I pointed out earlier in the week, I
think Jerry Jones gave away the game in the Netflix
stock in the trailer it's a soap opera three hundred
and sixty five days a year his words. So I
actually think the Cowboys have a little bit of a
leg to stand on on the not dragging out deals thing.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
We don't know what the players are doing in those negotiations.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And the best players with the most leverage do tend
to want to wait till the final moment in this
era of the NFL, because they already are financially secure.
They make a ton of money from endorsements. They make
a ton of money from media deals. Dak Prescott had
already been paid that they are willing to be last
because the last guy to sign gets the most money.
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So I actually think they have a leg to stand
on with that. But they have no leg to stand
on on. But we're not really perpetuating this narrative and
we don't talk.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
About Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
You drag it out as much as anybody, and you
just say funny things. Brian Schottenheimer's already exceeding expectations. You
haven't played a preseason game yet. How's the exceeding expectations?
He rearranged the lockers in the locker room, people are
like sitting next to different people.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He hasn't done anything yet.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So that with all of that access, with these weird personalities,
you say weird stuff, and that's what gets the narrative going,
That's what gets the news cycle going, and that's what
keeps you out there.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So I'm here for it. Keep talking because I actually
legitimately do find them fascinating.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I know a lot of people like I've got Cowboys fatigue.
I don't know They're won twelve games three years in
a row, fired Mike McCarthy and hired a guy who
was already on the staff with the highest paid quarterback
in the NFL, a top five defensive player in the NFL,
and a top five receiver in the NFL. They are
objectively interesting. Keep talking, Jones family, I absolutely love it.
(37:14):
I want to talk now, though, about a guy who
I wish was a cowboy, because as much hype as
Travis Hunter is getting, I actually do not think it
is nearly enough for what he is trying to do
and what I believe he is about to accomplish. We
know that Travis Hunter is special, but for some reason,
people keep asking the same question about Travis Hunter?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Can you play both sides? Is it possible to do
this in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Doesn't matter what the Jaguars say, doesn't matter how they
drafted him, doesn't matter how they're working him out at practice.
He every time he speaks, he keeps being asked these questions.
And here's the latest on how Travis Hunter responded to it.
Speaker 11 (37:56):
I need to be able to progress everything fast quick.
If the offense change on on defense when I'm on
defensive five, the offense change the strength, I gotta know
what I'm doing right away, and as the offensive we
change the play. I gotta know what I'm doing right away,
So I like that we starting off slow, get me adjusted,
make sure I know where I need to be on
one side of the ball each day, and then they
all come together.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
He says that the people that doubt that he can
do this, the haters, make him smile. I just want
to be very clear and on the record, Travis, I
do not doubt that you can do this. I am
firmly in your camp, and I don't think it is
as crazy as many people are making it out to be.
(38:37):
And I understand that someone who looks like me, questioning
the analysis of the former NFL players who say this
is impossible feels a little ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But I think a place that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Media, common people and even ex athletes are way behind
on is how incredible the modern athlete it is, and
how incredible sports sciences we've seen great athletes before. Right
Bo Jackson historically great athlete. Deion Sanders historically great athlete,
best cornerback in the NFL, played receiver. His best year
(39:13):
as a receiver is the thirty six catches. It was
the year he took off from baseball We've seen guys
try to play both ways before, but nowadays, sports science,
sleep science, nutritionists, massage, therapy, everything that these guys can do,
it's different. It used to be, hey, you're a running back.
Once you hit twenty seven, you fall off the clip.
(39:34):
Now we've got Derrick Henry at thirty approaching eighteen hundred
yard seasons. It's just a different era. These guys are better.
Lebron is playing twenty two years in the NBA. Tom
Brady is winning MVPs and Super Bowl MVPs into his forties.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Aaron Rodgers is still playing. Athletes have just gotten better.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
So why can't Travis Hunter be a great defensive player
and a great offensive player in the NFL When in
college he was a great defensive player and great offensive player.
He won the Bulletannikoff Award and the Bitneric Award, He
won the award for the best receiver, he won an
award for the best defensive player in college.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And this is one of my favorite stats because I
feel like this is going to fall this year.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
This record most snaps played by a single player in
a season. It's not a household name, but Malcolm Jenkins
in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen was over thirteen hundred
and fifty snaps. He played every game as a corner
and then he also would play on the coverage units
on special teams, so it was thirteen hundred and fifty
(40:43):
seven snaps. As the record for most snaps in a
season by an NFL player, Travis Hunter played fourteen hundred
and eighty three snaps in thirteen games last year in
thirteen games. So if Travis Hunter shatters Malcolm Jenkins's record
(41:06):
for most snaps in a season as a rookie and
at the rate that he did it in college, if
he did it in the NFL, he would break it
by like four hundred snaps. But let's assume that they're
going to slow play it a little bit. He can
change the sport. He can change how we think about
what a world class athlete in football is able to do.
(41:27):
And that to me is excited because in baseball with
Shoeo Tani, it's blowing all of our minds.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
But you've got to do it from a young age.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
You've got to keep doing it from a young age,
and maybe we will see the next show Heyo Tani
in ten or fifteen years If Travis Hunter proves that
he can do this, we're going to see it much
quicker in the NFL. Hey, you're an awesome athlete. Can
you catch? Let's put you out there on both sides
of the ball. And I think that the possibilities and
(41:55):
the expectations of what Jacksonville is trying to do with
this kid is so potentially game changing in landscape shifting
that if he just wasn't in Jacksonville, we'd be talking
about it way more. He's by far one of the
most interesting stories of this upcoming NFL season, and I
just want to be very clear he will.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Do it, and I expect him to do it coming
up next.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I went sixty five percent against the spread in the
NFL last year, so I may as well.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Last day in for Colin pick every NFL over under.
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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