July 29, 2025 • 42 mins
Danny Parkins filling in for Colin
Will this be the first losing season for the Mike Tomlin?
Reasons QB Justin Herbert deserves more respect
Will an in shape Luca Doncic make a different for the Lakers?
Remembering the great Ryne Sandberg
Guest: A.J. PIERZYNSKI
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It's the Herd.
I'm Danny Parkins in for the great Colin Cowherd. Hey
let me come back present it burn the place down
completely yesterday. The schedule is that I'll be in tomorrow
as well. Well, we'll see how the next three hours goes.
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Appreciate you watching, Appreciate you listening. We've got a great
show for you. Aj Perzinski going to join us in
about twenty five minutes. Jeff Schwartz, Ben Dowen and my
guy Nick Wrights Nickel maybe admit it's being wrong in
a sports conversation for the first time ever. Coming up
in just over an hour. They'll probably not. I'll defend
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my ranking of Justin Herbert in just a few minutes.
But I'd like to begin by talking about the biggest
boomer Bus team in the NFL. This year, and that
is the Pittsburgh Steelers, because man, I get why they
made the move, but I right off the top, I'm
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gonna make a confession if I give the Steelers the
vote of confidence, and I am. I like what they've
done this offseason. It's actually made sense to me. I
have to also admit to you, for the last four
years consecutively, I have predicted that the Steelers would have
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their first losing season under Mike Tomlin, and I've been
wrong time and time and time and time again. So
now I'm like, I think this is a playoff team.
I think this team could win a playoff game. I
think Aaron Rodgers is a little cuckoo, but he's objectively
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better than Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett and Duck Hodges
and Mitch Trubisky. Like I agree with the conventional wisdom.
If Mike Tomlin can get you a winning record with
those quarterbacks, he should be able to do better with
Aaron Rodgers. But I think that's just the tip of
the iceberg here. I thought that when he signed that
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contract and it was a weird number and he signed
for thirteen million bucks, I was like, there's more coming
they're not done. And then they made the huge trade
with Ramsey and John hus Smith and they upgraded their squad.
And I think the John hu Smith, while not the
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sex of your name, that is the move that really
does create some versatility for their offense. DK metcalf true
number one play twelve personnel with your two tight ends.
With Friarmuth and John Husmith on the field, they can
block for Aaron because I don't know if you've heard,
he's on the wrong side of forty Jalen Orn. I
actually think is an upgrade in the backfield from naj Harris.
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I think that there is a real opportunity here for
this offense to be good. They won't be top five
in the NFL, but a good offense. And then when
you combine that with we know all the talent they
have on defense and the excellent regular season coaching that
they get, I think it made a lot of sense.
But we all would agree also that it's Boomer bust.
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And it feels like based on what Aaron Rodgers has said,
this is a one shot deal, one year contract. He's
a mercenary, he got married. He says, what I'm done
with football. You'll never see or hear from me again,
I have my doubts. The guy said he loves privacy
and then invited a documentary crew with him into the wilderness.
So I got my doubts. But we'll see. And as
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for now, it seems like a one year hired gun situation.
The Steelers general manager Omar Kahn, who's on with Rich Eisen,
he was asked about it. He said, it might be
a little more than that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Obviously, you know, we have to see how the season goes.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
But I absolutely you know, he's a young forty one,
and you know we're obviously taking it year by year,
and that's where we're at.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I assume this is a one year deal. And
my question though, is, let's say I'm wrong again about
the Steelers and they're not as good as they clearly
think they can be. Because you only do this if
you think you can end you're going on nine year
playoff drought without a playoff win. That's the only reason
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you sign up for the circus that is Aaron Rodgers,
for the appearances, for the offseason, for the three month
holding pattern, for all of it, right, because you believe
your team is ready to win multiple playoff games in January,
and this is the missing piece. It's the only reason
you sign up for the circus if they're wrong, and
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then I guess if I'm wrong. And this is the
first losing season under Mike Tomlin, and it is like
the Jets season last year and they win six seven
games are non competitive against good teams. Aaron Rodgers is
not even a top fifteen or twenty quarterback in the NFL.
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Is there any scenario where the heat shifts to Mike Tomlin?
And I'm not saying they're going to fire him, because
clearly the Steelers don't fire anyone. It's maybe the single
most unbelievable fact in all of football that in the
history of the Pittsburgh Steelers they've had three head coaches.
It's remarkable, But if I just told you that a
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head coach, it had been eight seasons since they had
won a playoff game, and in that time they were
zero to five in the postseason. And in that time
he had had five offensive coordinators and eight different starting quarterbacks.
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And as the defensive coach in those playoff games, he's
given up forty plus to Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield
and getting Boat raced by Patrick Mahomes, and it's like,
oh my god, some of these are great quarterbacks, some
of these are not. Some of these you were favored,
some of these you weren't. You're a thirteen win team,
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you bounced immediately in the postseason. Any other coach and
any other organization would be on the hot seat. And
again they won't fire him. But if it doesn't work
with Rogers and Tomlin becomes more of the reputation of
high floor, low ceiling, he can only win big if
he has a Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime.
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They're always going to be too good to draft one
because he will have you at eight or nine wins
as a floor. So what is his path to getting
Drew Aller or Arch Manning or a top five Pike
at quarterback? And they'll just be in this middle purgatory
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space in the NFL with nowhere to go from here.
So I think this is going to work, and they'll
win ten to eleven games, maybe win a playoff game,
Like that's my definition of working. They're not a super
Bowl team. I don't think that they have that high
of a ceiling, but I think they're a double digit
win team. That can win one playoff game and end
that drought. But then the question is, and then what,
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Because the whole thing is the standard is the standard?
Excellence is the standard? Ten wins in a Wild's card
win is not excellence, And then they're still in the
exact same situation they found themselves in coming out of
last year with no long term answer at quarterbacks. So
while I expect success, the much more interesting questions is
what happens if there's failure.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
The pushback I.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Got yesterday from my top ten quarterback list was mostly
from Eagles fans who are upset, and I respect it
and love it, and it's a passionate fan base, but
it was also centered around my guy, Justin Herbert. And
I will fully admit to you that I sit down
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on my couch on Sundays and I just watch eleven
straight hours of football, and then I watch Monday night
and Thursday night, and I watch all these games and
then I rewatched them and all that, and I come
from it from more of the analytical and number side,
but then I just actually love watching the games. I
don't fancy myself a scout anything like that, but I
will say Justin Herbert passes the eye test as much
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as any quarterback I've ever seen. I am just so
utterly convinced that this dude is a superstar, and that
he has been the victim of Anthony Lynn and Brandon
Staley and bad special teams misses and incompetence and terrible
injury luck around him, and two bad playoff games, one
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terrible comeback allowed by the Jaguars, and then last year
the four interceptions against the Texans. Can't sugarcoat it, though
two of those interceptions were off his receiver's hands and
there was a bit of a snowball effect there. But
I watched this guy and I am just convinced that
he's one of the best players in football. And if
he was just in a better situation, everybody would know
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that and it would become conventional wisdom. And now they
hire a true winner in Jim Harbaugh. Last year, Justin
Herbert has over five hundred pass attempts, which was down
because hardball likes to run the ball, But he had
over five one hundred pass attempts and three interceptions. He
had more interceptions in that one playoff loss than he
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had all season. It was a true outlier. Worst case
scenario performance and so I'm trusting my eyes on this
one and a belief in Harbaugh. They were the number
one scoring defense last year. They draft Hampton, they're going
to upgrade the rushing attack. I love the pick of
Trey Harris, the deep threat, speedster form on the outside.
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Mconkey's a stud. Arguably the best tackle duo in the
NFL outside of Philadelphia. Detroit might have something to say
about it, but it's a top three tackle duo in
the NFL at a minimum. This is the year, and
this is the year for what you say. This is
the year for Justin Herbert to stay on the Peyton
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Manning track. Peyton Manning was in a bit of the
wilderness early in his career. Different coach, a bunch of interceptions,
no playoff success, and if you study it, and I
know some people will say different era of the NFL
in terms of volume of passing, and that is true.
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But again, a guy in Peyton who clearly passed the
eye test but didn't have the team's success early on
in his career. If you look at years one through
five of Peyton and years one through five of Justin Herbert,
it is shocking how identical. It is Herbert forty one
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and thirty eight win loss record, Peyton forty two and
thirty eight, both of them winless in the playoffs. Herbert
oh and two through five years, Manning oh to three.
Their team scored twenty four points per game. They threw
basically the same number of touchdown passes one thirty seven
to one thirty eight through five years in their career.
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And again, I understand more passing in today's football than then,
but the playoff numbers were also remarkably similar in terms
of the types of struggles, more interceptions than touchdowns, lower
passer rating, lower completion percentage in the playoffs versus the
regular season. But in year five Peyton got Doungeee. In
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year five Herbert got Harbaugh and things started to change.
And in year six for Peyton, he's co MVP of
the league, He's in the AFC Championship game, he's you know,
forty two hundred yards, they're scoring twenty eight points per game.
It was the arrival of the Peyton Manning that became
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one of the greatest to ever throw a football.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And I will be holding Justin Herbert to that standard.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
This is the last stand because I fully acknowledge at
some point the results need to be there in terms
of teams success. But I am as convinced today as
I was after his rookie year when he set the
NFL record for touchdown passes as a rookie with thirty one.
This is a Hall of Fame level talent. And I thought,
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what Jim Harbaugh said over the weekend is how I
felt about the entire Chargers organization ever since they lucked
into Miami drafting Tuoa over him.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The rest of you got to catch up to that guy.
That's from the heart.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
This is the truth.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Justin Herbert's biggest weakness is all of those that he's
counting on on offense, coaches, offensive line, playmakers, receivers, running.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Backs to get up to his level.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
You know. That's that's that's I wake up every day
to try to get to his level. So if you
put us as the as the number one duel, I
mean it's ninety justin ten ten.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Me amen Amen, Peyton Manning was the system. He went
to four Super Bowls with four different head coaches. That
was what it was. He got to a place where
he had such dominance and such control of the game
that wherever he went, he was the system. I think
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Justin Herbert can do that and is on his way
to doing that. And if the rest of the Chargers,
which I expect them to under Harbaugh, catch up to
him just a bit, don't put the shackles on him.
Let him throw, work off your run game, work off
your defense, and let that guy be one of the
best throwers of the football that I've ever seen. I
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think he's absolutely in the running for the MVP, and
I think they're absolutely in the running to win playoff
games this year, even being in the division with the
Kansas City Chiefs. I expect Justin Herbert to stay on
the Peyton Manning track by the end of this football season.
AJ Persinsk, you going to join us coming up in
about ten minutes. Luka, Doncic is looking good. There is
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Back in on the Herd, Danny parkins in for Colin Baseball.
My Cubs gotta figure it out, gotta separate a little
bit from those pesky Milwaukee Brewers who are more than pesky,
and joining us now on the Herd. Old buddy of mine,
oh five World Series champion, one of eleven catchers with
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over two thousand hits, terrific Fox MLB analyst aj Perzinski
with us on the Herd. Ajis always man. Thank you
very much for the time.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
Moved up, Danny, moved up from the days of you know,
back in Chicago, the little radio show.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, you know, Kansas City. Now here you are doing
national stuff. Good for you.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Like I said, I'm trying to be like you. I'm trying.
I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, but nobody wants that. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah. I used to talk to your guy, Eric Kratz,
you know, in Kansas City because he was the only
guy who talked to me. And now here you and
I are doing this. It's ridiculous trade deadline is right
around the corner, and you know, it feels like almost
all of the moves come right at the deadline nowadays
with the expanded playoffs. But who, in your mind is
like the most needed. Like if you said this team
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more than anyone else needs to make a move, who
would it be.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
I have to look at the Cubs and I have
to look at the Astros that the two teams.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Your Cubs need to do something because no one thought.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
The Brewers would be here and here they are, game up,
one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball,
and the Cubs as good as they played, as well
as they played in place right now, nobody saw that coming.
They need a starting pitcher problem, maybe a back end reliever.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
The problem is every team we talk about needs the
same thing, a starter, a back in reliever, and a
power hitter. Guess what, not every team can get those things.
So I don't know what the Cubs can do. They
definitely need a starter because if Emanagua's right, and Tiane's
been okay, Forton's been okay, some of their guys have
been okay. They haven't been great, but they definitely need
a starting pitcher.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Who that is. I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
And then on the other end, the Astros, they they
had a huge lead, it's faltering. They need health, but
they need another starter behind Hunter Brown and from Ravaldez.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
They need a bat. Who's that bat going to be?
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Everyone says Gino Suarez, but every team wants Gino Suarez.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Every team wants a starter, every team wants a reliever.
The question is when will these moves start happening?
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Because the quicker you get these, especially relievers in bats,
they might only be one game extra, two games extra,
but that can be the difference in the division.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So you mentioned it briefly. They lost their general manager,
they've turned over star power, They've had the trade guys
away for money issues. They lose Craig Counsel to the Cubs.
How are the Brewers still this good? I legitimately do
not understand it. Well.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Pat Murphy, Matt Arnold start with the start at the top. Right.
Pat Murphy learned from the well coach Trek Council, and
now we learn how to manage from right.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Mattur and the Brewers are unbelievable at finding pitchers, developing
pitchers and getting.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Guys off the trash sheep.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
If that's what you're gonna call it, a waivers, I mean,
but then you throw in Miserowski, Brandon Woodriff has comeback,
Freddy Peralta has been a stud for them for many years.
But you lose Corton Burns, you lose Devin Williams, you
lose guy after guy after guy william Domis this offseason.
They just keep plugging away. They make great trades. Seems
like every trade they make is a win for them
one way or another. They and listen, look at a Rebay,
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Amner Rebay. They're bothpend their eighth dinning guy. If you
haven't seen this guy pitch one hundred mile an hour sinker,
ninety something mile an hour slider, Reese Hosk. We're showing right.
There has been a great fine for them this year.
They just find guys, plug them in.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
They know their role. And Pat Murphy's one of the
best managers in baseball.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So if you look at the standings, the Tigers have
a nine game lead. The next biggest division lead is
five and a half, and in the NL the East
is one and a half, the Central is one and
the West is only a four game lead, despite you know,
the perceived dominance of the Dodgers. Is there a best
team in baseball?
Speaker 8 (20:29):
I'm still gonna say the Dodgers because if they get healthy,
they got glass Now back, and they get Snell's coming,
they get some of their relievers back. It one through
twenty six, actually one through like fifty. The Dodgers are
the best team right because they've used so many guys
this year, they have the financial might to go out
and get whoever they wanted. The trade deadline, they'll trade
prospects for players. So it's still the Dodgers to me.
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But everyone thought they were going to go one hundred
and sixty two and oh, baseball's hard. A lot of
injuries and they signed a lot of guys that have
injury concerns when they sign them and they just kind
of play it up. But we have enough depth to
overcome it. Well, they haven't, and they're Yes. Do I
think they're gonna win the Division?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Do I think they're the favorites to win the World Series?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (21:09):
The National League is really hard, though. Phillies, Mets, Cubs, Brewers,
Padres who are not afraid of the Dodgers, whoever gets
in in the National League is.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Gonna have one heck of a run to get to
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Talking to some Baseball ahead of the deadline with Aj Prazinski,
the team the Dodgers beating the World Series last year,
the Yankees Aaron Judges hurt, and it does seem like
it might be they not a huge deal, but like
a medium sized deal here. What do you expect from
the Yankees? Down the stretches, they try to overcome this
il stan for Judge.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
A lot of this, A lot of us hold it
together until we get them back. Because we had Will
Carroll on our show yesterday and he said, this could
be a month. And you think about a month, that
puts us almost to September. Right, that's a long absence
for a guy that they rely on heavily. Listen, you
can make whatever argument you want about the Ali say
cal Rawley right now is my MVP, especially with Judge out.
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But the Yankees without Aaron Judge are a different team.
He changes the lineup, he changes the confidence, he changes
everything on that team. So if he misses longer, he said,
I'll be back in ten days, I'll have to see
it to believe it. But if they don't get Judge back,
they got to figure it out. Stanton's got to perform
Fellinger goldstrand have to go back. Anthony Volpi, who a
lot of Yankee fans are on, has to figure it out.
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There's a lot of question marks, especially with no Garrett
Cole now no Aaron Judge. There's a lot of questions
on this Yankee team. And the Blue Jays aren't going away.
They're hot as anybody right now and they have a
five and a half game lead after the Yankees pretty
much dominated the division for a long time.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Can you put in perspective, since you mentioned his name,
the amazement for a catcher to be doing what Cal
Rowley is doing at the dish?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
No, I can't what he's got forty one homers. We're
not even into August. He's a switch hitter.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
For me.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
People ask me all the time, who would you start
a team with, I mean schemes, probably is one, Bobby Witz,
probably two, and then I'll put this guy in the
top three because of what he does behind the plate,
what he does about He won the Platinum Glove last year,
which means he's the best defensive player in the American League.
So he won that and now he's leading the league
in home runs. Now will he keep it up and
hits sixty or seventy? I don't know, because he's gonna
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wear down. This dude plays every day, handles a great
pitching staff, and he hits homers. What else do you
want out of a player from a catcher, best catcher
in the league, best defensive player in the league, plays
every day, switch hits.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Oh yeah, and by the way, he's got forty one homers.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But you still you think he will wear down? You
had two homers over the week.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Every catcher does. Nobody has. No catcher can play. I
mean he played what one hundred and forty games last year,
something ridiculous. I mean he's on pace to do it
again this year. When he didn't catch he dhs. I mean,
Dan Wilson, you're a catcher, Give him a day off.
Everyone to Kim a day right, like every two weeks.
Give this guy down. This guy's unbelievable man. He wants
to play. If you ever talked to Calral, he's a
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great guy. Only one thing. I'm a Gator fan. He
went to Florida State. That's the only knock I can
put on this guy.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Nobody's perfect. You and I get along.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You're a white soxe, I'm a Cub No you know,
I know, I guess I didn't play for the Cubs
and clubs fan, but nobody's perfect. So the baseball I
think gets a bad rap sometimes for not promoting stars
doing things to build the game. Like I think baseball's
great at events like the All Star Game. They do
an amazing job. The Field of Dreams Game, I think
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was an incredible success. Games at a Negro league stadium.
What do you make of eighty thousand plus tickets in
the Speedway Classic in terms of a venue and spectacle
for Major League Baseball? I know this.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
The Fox people that I work with, Pete Macheska, Mattangele,
all the people behind the scenes, they're excited because they
have a chance to do something that nobody's ever done,
which is showcase.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Eighty five thousand.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
They're hoping maybe to get to one hundred thousand people,
and they have drones and they have all kinds of
special cameras they're gonna run. It's gonna be like no
game we've ever seen before. And I was fortunate to
play in a couple of these. I got to go
to Fort Bragg and play in a game in Fort
Brag in front of the troops, and do a couple
other things. You're right, major League Baseball does a lot
of these big games better than anything. I was at
Field of Dreams. The Tim Anderson home run to walk
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it off one of the best events I've ever been to.
This is going to be incredible. The field's going to
be perfect, and I can't wait to see the shots.
To think of us the biggest crowd of all time
to watch a baseball game, eighty five thousand plus people.
If you're a Braves or Red fan, this is something
you cannot miss. And if you're a TV baseball fan,
tune in because what Fox is about to do is
going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, and I think they deserve a lot of credit
for figuring out new ways to present the game, and
I think baseball genuinely has done a really good job
of that over the last five plus years. We got
really tough news in the baseball world yesterday with the
passing of Ryan Sandberg, a Hall of Fame player, and
it's a cliche, but also a Hall of Fame person,
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your interactions or impression of his impact on the baseball world.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Well, I've only met him a couple of times. Obviously,
being a white so Cubs of White Sox guys, they
don't intermingle a whole lot. We don't get together whole lot.
But I have met Rhino a few times, and he
was always a class act, unbelievable guy. Everything I heard
about him from Cubs fans and people that were in
the baseball world just said what a great human being
he was. I mean, we all thought he beat this.
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Remember it wasn't that long ago where he's like, I'm
cancer free, guys, let's celebrate, and then it came back quickly,
so terrible news. We've had a rough go in Chicago
with him and Bobby Jenks the last couple of weeks.
One of the big things about Rhino is, Listen, I
grew up in Florida. We didn't have a team, so
we had TVs for the Braves. We had WGN for
the Cubs, so he was on every day and they
played only day games back then.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
So I'd come home from school gets what was on
the Cubs.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
And Ryan Stamberg and Ron Say and that whole group
of guys. So I grew up watching the Cubs, and
I root for the Cubs. No, but I watched a
ton of Cub games, so I knew Ryan Stamberg. I
got to follow his career and the passing, and it
was just terrible news for baseball. Anytime you lose a
franchise icon like this, it's bad for the game. But
hopefully he's in a better place and we can move
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on and wish prayers for his family and friends.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You know, Dan, You're not gonna be laeve this, but
prayers for Cup fans because this is a sad day.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's big of you. That's big of you. And hey, yeah,
I am sorry for your loss. I know you and
Bobby Jangs had a special relationship as well, so I'm
sorry about his passing at a way too young age
as well.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Man, Well, thank you, Danny, I appreciate it. I got
I brought this for you today. It's my home run
I hit Ryan Dempster when I was with the White Sox,
so it's not I it is though. It's fun because
you're a Cub fan. I'm a White Sox fan, so
you know, we have to have a little back.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
And forth, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, it's just
you would have been a great Cub. I hated you
because you're you know, you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Know, do you know how close I was to being
a Cub?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
How close?
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Like So in two thousand and three, when I got
traded to the Giants, I actually got a call from
LaTroy Hawkins the night before and said, hey, we're trading
for you.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
He had just gone to the Cubs. He said, hey,
we're training for you tomorrow. Be ready. Dusty's already called me.
It's done. And then I get to call the next
day and I'm going to the Giants. I'm like, what happened.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
They're like, they threw in Francisco Leriano at the last minute,
and I got the deal. I was like, damn it. Instead,
they wouldn't got Michael Barrett. They got they traded for
Michael Barrett. Then we had to fight, So, I mean,
you know it all worked out.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Wow. What a sliding doors moment in history though.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, butterfly effect, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Absolutely, you never punched Michael Barrett the whole thing, the
whole fight, man, that's uh. You would have. You would
have been a good Cup. You would have been a
good cup.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Ohay, listen, I love Chicago.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
I know in today games. Then you can go to
dinner all that stuff. I would have loved it, but
not so much anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, check out a show foul Territory. You do great
work here at Fox. AJ. Thanks for always making time, man,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, real quick, before you gotta go. The Bear's going
to be any good this year.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
If they're not, I'm gonna start believing in curses. Man.
They got the so that they have to be they
We've waited our entire life for some sort of semblance
of respectability for quarterback in Chicago. All right, man, thank
you very much. Thanks Danny, I'll talk to you soon.
That's AJ Persinski, terrific Fox MLB analyst. All right again,
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Luka Dodgic a professional athlete exercising in the off season
who defunk it the appropriate reaction to those pictures. Next,
I'm the Hurd. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and neon Eastern not a Empacific. Welcome
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back to the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin
rank my top ten NFL teams heading into the season
coming up in just over twenty minutes. Then Nick Wright
will join the show from First Things First. Very much
looking forward to doing that and looking forward to joining
First Things First as they expand to three hours coming
up this football season. But yesterday, I think it showed
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the power of the Lakers and the power of late
July that a magazine cover could come out that is
straight pr and everyone would go insane. Luka Doncic was
on the cover of Men's Health, and Luka Doncic looks shredded.
(30:09):
He looks like skinny Luca and you put those pictures up.
And we've seen him a little bit this offseason. We
saw him with the Yankees, We've seen him out and
about a little bit. He's like, Oh, Luka Doncic figured
out what a barbell was, He learned about intermittent fasting.
He apparently is drinking less and smoking less hookah, and
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you know, being a professional athlete, and all of a sudden, it's, oh,
my god, professional athlete works out in the off season.
And I guess I didn't fully realize that in a
year where Luca was traded and arguably the craziest trade
in NBA history, when he had a significant calf strain
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that is often a precursor if you do not heal
it to blowing out your achilles see Tyrese Halliburton. And
he took his time coming back from that and it
had an impact on his conditioning, appearance, all of those things.
I feel like people forgot who Luka Doncic was. Like,
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Luca is awesome, and I love Chris Broussard and I
can't wait to chop it up with him more on
the regular on first things first, But when we had
him on Heard yesterday, you would have thought that Luka
Doncic was reborn based on these pictures.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
When I saw this article, saw how Luca looked, read
it about you know how he's changed and this summers
different for him. I gave a big shout out to
Lebron James like this, this is a testament to Lebron
James's example and the impact it had on Luka Doncics.
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I think he played with Lebron and saw wow, as
much physical ability as Lebron has, as much natural ability,
as much size and strength and athleticism as Lebron has. Naturally,
he goes above and beyond to become the player he is.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Even though Luca didn't say that in the article, and
maybe this is a little media insight, but getting a
magazine cover.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
It's not that difficult for a list.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Superstar athletes and celebrities like this was a puff piece.
This was the superstar athlete equivalent of, like you ever
break up with someone and then hit the weights because
you want to have that revenge. Look be you know
New Year knew me. Luca got dissed by the Mavericks.
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They leaked a bunch of stuff to the media about
his professionalism, and he's putting this out there to show
them what they missed. This is the superstar athlete equivalent
of getting dumped working out and then posting a shirtless
pick with pecks and biceps on Instagram, something I would
know nothing about, not because I've never been dumped, but
because I have no biceps or pecks. But the poise, this,
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the point is people forget that Luka Doncic, I mean,
people act like the guy doesn't play basketball. Before last
year seventy games played, sixty six games played, sixty five
games played, sixty six games, sixty one seventy two plus
his international schedule, Luka Doncic.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Plays basketball a lot really Oh, now.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
That Luka Doncic is intermittent fasting and doing bicep curls,
I'm gonna bet him for MVP. Luca was already a
really safe favorite type of bet for MVP. We have
saw him two seasons ago carry the Dallas Mavericks to
the NBA Finals. We have seen him average thirty four
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nine to ten in a season two years ago. Like
list of best players in the NBA, whatever your order is, Jokic, SGA,
Jannis Tatum, Luca, I know Lebron was six and MVP voting.
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I know Donovan Mitchell was first team All NBA, but
Luca didn't play in enough games to qualify. He was
traded in the middle of the season. He had the
cap injury. It was weird year, but I think most
people would agree that Luka Doncic is in the conversation
for being a top five player in the world. So
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good for the professional athlete working out in the offseason.
Maybe he'll start a little faster, but he's not gonna
get a better at defense, and I don't think it's
possible for him to get much better at basketball than
averaging thirty three nine to ten. So I'm just a
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little confused as to what we're talking about here. I
it's pr it's spin, it's image control, it's damage control.
It doesn't have to be anything more than that. And
I am just I expect even if Luka Doncic, I
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would have seen him at the Hookah Bar, if that
would have been the thing, if he would have been
on the cover of instead of Men's Health, he would
have been on the cover of Hookah magazine.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I would be like, man, Luca could win MVP.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Next year because he's Luka Dodgic, that the talent is
enough where he can win MVP. But Men's Health is
apparently supposed to I didn't know. I didn't know being
on the cover of Men's Health was supposed to change
the way that we all felt about one of the
five greatest offensive players in the sport and arguably one
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of the five greatest all around players in the sport
because he's doing bicep curls and shoving all of his
meals into eight hours a day. But I'm learning things
as we go throughout this life. I wanted to change
gears here a little bit and talk about an honor
the life of Ryan Sandberg. The Hall of Famer from
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the Chicago Cubs who passed away yesterday at sixty five
years old. And I knew Rhino a bit, and I'll
tell you my connection to him in a second. But
he was a larger than life figure in Chicago. He
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was the reason why many many people in Chicago and
frankly around the world became Cubs fans. When he won
his MVP award in nineteen eighty four, the Cubs had
not been to the playoffs in thirty nine years, and
so he wins that MVP there on WGN, the superstation,
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and people are watching Wrigley Fields come to life, and
this incredibly professional ballplayer. It's a cliche, play the game
the right way. He was just a model of consistency,
and he was. He was a humble superstar. And people say,
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never meet your heroes. I was a little young for
Ryan Sandberg to be a sports hero of mine, but
my older brother was significant. It was sixteen years older
than me, and he actually married someone whose father was
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very close to Ryan Sandberg. And so when I was
the best man in my brother's wedding at fifteen years old,
Ryan Sandberg was at the wedding, and so I gave
a best man speech at the wedding, and I didn't
talk to Ryan Sandberg about it at the wedding. But
many years later when I'm doing media in Chicago and
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Rhino would come on the show and he was a
Cubs ambassador, and he would do things. He would say,
you know, Margaret really liked your toast. Margaret was his wife,
And I'd be like, well, what about you, Rhyano, And
he was like, Margaret really liked your toast. Like he
just had this subtle ability. People who knew him better
said he was a prankster. He didn't really give off
(38:34):
the hilarious image too much publicly, but if you knew
him a little bit, he would. But the thing about
him was he just loved being a Cub and he
loved Cubs fans, and so people would come up to
him all the time and pay him a compliment and
he would always give them the time of the day,
ask them their name, ask them about him. And I
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went back and yeah, so this picture we're showing now
on FS one. It was crazy because about this time
last year, Ryan Sandberg came on the radio because I
do this cancer event in partnership with the Cubs called
Cubs for a Cure, where I broadcast for twenty four
hours straight it's coming up in two days on Thursday
on the Score in Chicago, and Ryan Sandberg came in
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because we knew he had been battling cancer, and he
very emotionally announced that just that morning he had had
a scan that was clear and his doctor said he
was cancer free, and he cried and it made national
news and we raised over a million dollars that weekend
with all of it going to cancer research. And we
took that picture that's the president of business for the Cubs,
Crane Kenny, with us on the field, and it was
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just this like beautiful celebration. And then eleven months later
he passes away from cancer, and it was just it
was gut wrenching because people when they talk about him,
if you didn't know him, you talk about the Sandberg game.
Bob Costa says it was the best baseball game ever called,
and it was unbelievable. You know, he hits two home
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runs and the ninth and tenth off Bruce Souiter, and
you know, the Cubs win twelve, eleven and extras, and
people talk about ten time All Star, nine time, gold Gloves,
silver slugg or MVP, whatever it is. When you say
never meet your heroes, and then he actually is to
so many a sports hero, and he's everything you want
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and more, it's just rare. So I wanted to play
a quick bite from his Hall of Fame speech because
I really think it encompassed how he approached the game,
but really how he approached life. Here's rhino.
Speaker 10 (40:38):
I was taught you never ever disrespect your opponent, or
your teammates, or your organization or your manager, and never
ever your uniform. Make a great play, act like you've
done it before, Get a big hit, look for the
third base coach, and get ready to run the bases.
(41:00):
Hit a home run, put your head down, drop the bat,
run around the bases. Because the name on the front
is more a lot more important than the name on
the bag, that's respect.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I had an opportunity to talk to Ryan Sandberg on
the radio when it had been announced that he was
getting a statue at Wrigley Field, and what was the
position going to be. Was it going to be hitting
a home run from the Sandberg game, Was it going
to be him turning a double play that he was
famous for, and he said he thought it was going
to be more about defense, and it ended up just
being him in the ready position because he just wanted
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to be ready to be a pro, and that encompassed
who he was. He crossed over, he cut through, He
mattered to a lot of people. Barack Obama posted a tribute.
Hall of Famer and Cubs stalwart Ryan Sandberg wasn't just
a great baseball player. He was a class act who
never cheated the game. Everyone in Chicago, including White Socks fans,
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will miss him deeply, and it's so true. He was
a humble superstar. He wanted to meet you, he wanted
to talk to you, and he deserved so much more
than sixty five years of life. Rip Rhino.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It's the Herd.
I'm Danny Parkins in for the great Colin Cowherd. Hey
let me come back present it burn the place down
completely yesterday. The schedule is that I'll be in tomorrow
as well. Well, we'll see how the next three hours goes.
(00:42):
Appreciate you watching, Appreciate you listening. We've got a great
show for you. Aj Perzinski going to join us in
about twenty five minutes. Jeff Schwartz, Ben Dowen and my
guy Nick Wrights Nickel maybe admit it's being wrong in
a sports conversation for the first time ever. Coming up
in just over an hour. They'll probably not. I'll defend
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my ranking of Justin Herbert in just a few minutes.
But I'd like to begin by talking about the biggest
boomer Bus team in the NFL. This year, and that
is the Pittsburgh Steelers, because man, I get why they
made the move, but I right off the top, I'm
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gonna make a confession if I give the Steelers the
vote of confidence, and I am. I like what they've
done this offseason. It's actually made sense to me. I
have to also admit to you, for the last four
years consecutively, I have predicted that the Steelers would have
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their first losing season under Mike Tomlin, and I've been
wrong time and time and time and time again. So
now I'm like, I think this is a playoff team.
I think this team could win a playoff game. I
think Aaron Rodgers is a little cuckoo, but he's objectively
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better than Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett and Duck Hodges
and Mitch Trubisky. Like I agree with the conventional wisdom.
If Mike Tomlin can get you a winning record with
those quarterbacks, he should be able to do better with
Aaron Rodgers. But I think that's just the tip of
the iceberg here. I thought that when he signed that
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contract and it was a weird number and he signed
for thirteen million bucks, I was like, there's more coming
they're not done. And then they made the huge trade
with Ramsey and John hus Smith and they upgraded their squad.
And I think the John hu Smith, while not the
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sex of your name, that is the move that really
does create some versatility for their offense. DK metcalf true
number one play twelve personnel with your two tight ends.
With Friarmuth and John Husmith on the field, they can
block for Aaron because I don't know if you've heard,
he's on the wrong side of forty Jalen Orn. I
actually think is an upgrade in the backfield from naj Harris.
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I think that there is a real opportunity here for
this offense to be good. They won't be top five
in the NFL, but a good offense. And then when
you combine that with we know all the talent they
have on defense and the excellent regular season coaching that
they get, I think it made a lot of sense.
But we all would agree also that it's Boomer bust.
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And it feels like based on what Aaron Rodgers has said,
this is a one shot deal, one year contract. He's
a mercenary, he got married. He says, what I'm done
with football. You'll never see or hear from me again,
I have my doubts. The guy said he loves privacy
and then invited a documentary crew with him into the wilderness.
So I got my doubts. But we'll see. And as
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for now, it seems like a one year hired gun situation.
The Steelers general manager Omar Kahn, who's on with Rich Eisen,
he was asked about it. He said, it might be
a little more than that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Obviously, you know, we have to see how the season goes.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
But I absolutely you know, he's a young forty one,
and you know we're obviously taking it year by year,
and that's where we're at.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I assume this is a one year deal. And
my question though, is, let's say I'm wrong again about
the Steelers and they're not as good as they clearly
think they can be. Because you only do this if
you think you can end you're going on nine year
playoff drought without a playoff win. That's the only reason
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you sign up for the circus that is Aaron Rodgers,
for the appearances, for the offseason, for the three month
holding pattern, for all of it, right, because you believe
your team is ready to win multiple playoff games in January,
and this is the missing piece. It's the only reason
you sign up for the circus if they're wrong, and
(05:08):
then I guess if I'm wrong. And this is the
first losing season under Mike Tomlin, and it is like
the Jets season last year and they win six seven
games are non competitive against good teams. Aaron Rodgers is
not even a top fifteen or twenty quarterback in the NFL.
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Is there any scenario where the heat shifts to Mike Tomlin?
And I'm not saying they're going to fire him, because
clearly the Steelers don't fire anyone. It's maybe the single
most unbelievable fact in all of football that in the
history of the Pittsburgh Steelers they've had three head coaches.
It's remarkable, But if I just told you that a
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head coach, it had been eight seasons since they had
won a playoff game, and in that time they were
zero to five in the postseason. And in that time
he had had five offensive coordinators and eight different starting quarterbacks.
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And as the defensive coach in those playoff games, he's
given up forty plus to Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield
and getting Boat raced by Patrick Mahomes, and it's like,
oh my god, some of these are great quarterbacks, some
of these are not. Some of these you were favored,
some of these you weren't. You're a thirteen win team,
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you bounced immediately in the postseason. Any other coach and
any other organization would be on the hot seat. And
again they won't fire him. But if it doesn't work
with Rogers and Tomlin becomes more of the reputation of
high floor, low ceiling, he can only win big if
he has a Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime.
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They're always going to be too good to draft one
because he will have you at eight or nine wins
as a floor. So what is his path to getting
Drew Aller or Arch Manning or a top five Pike
at quarterback? And they'll just be in this middle purgatory
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space in the NFL with nowhere to go from here.
So I think this is going to work, and they'll
win ten to eleven games, maybe win a playoff game,
Like that's my definition of working. They're not a super
Bowl team. I don't think that they have that high
of a ceiling, but I think they're a double digit
win team. That can win one playoff game and end
that drought. But then the question is, and then what,
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Because the whole thing is the standard is the standard?
Excellence is the standard? Ten wins in a Wild's card
win is not excellence, And then they're still in the
exact same situation they found themselves in coming out of
last year with no long term answer at quarterbacks. So
while I expect success, the much more interesting questions is
what happens if there's failure.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
The pushback I.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Got yesterday from my top ten quarterback list was mostly
from Eagles fans who are upset, and I respect it
and love it, and it's a passionate fan base, but
it was also centered around my guy, Justin Herbert. And
I will fully admit to you that I sit down
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on my couch on Sundays and I just watch eleven
straight hours of football, and then I watch Monday night
and Thursday night, and I watch all these games and
then I rewatched them and all that, and I come
from it from more of the analytical and number side,
but then I just actually love watching the games. I
don't fancy myself a scout anything like that, but I
will say Justin Herbert passes the eye test as much
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as any quarterback I've ever seen. I am just so
utterly convinced that this dude is a superstar, and that
he has been the victim of Anthony Lynn and Brandon
Staley and bad special teams misses and incompetence and terrible
injury luck around him, and two bad playoff games, one
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terrible comeback allowed by the Jaguars, and then last year
the four interceptions against the Texans. Can't sugarcoat it, though
two of those interceptions were off his receiver's hands and
there was a bit of a snowball effect there. But
I watched this guy and I am just convinced that
he's one of the best players in football. And if
he was just in a better situation, everybody would know
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that and it would become conventional wisdom. And now they
hire a true winner in Jim Harbaugh. Last year, Justin
Herbert has over five hundred pass attempts, which was down
because hardball likes to run the ball, But he had
over five one hundred pass attempts and three interceptions. He
had more interceptions in that one playoff loss than he
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had all season. It was a true outlier. Worst case
scenario performance and so I'm trusting my eyes on this
one and a belief in Harbaugh. They were the number
one scoring defense last year. They draft Hampton, they're going
to upgrade the rushing attack. I love the pick of
Trey Harris, the deep threat, speedster form on the outside.
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Mconkey's a stud. Arguably the best tackle duo in the
NFL outside of Philadelphia. Detroit might have something to say
about it, but it's a top three tackle duo in
the NFL at a minimum. This is the year, and
this is the year for what you say. This is
the year for Justin Herbert to stay on the Peyton
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Manning track. Peyton Manning was in a bit of the
wilderness early in his career. Different coach, a bunch of interceptions,
no playoff success, and if you study it, and I
know some people will say different era of the NFL
in terms of volume of passing, and that is true.
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But again, a guy in Peyton who clearly passed the
eye test but didn't have the team's success early on
in his career. If you look at years one through
five of Peyton and years one through five of Justin Herbert,
it is shocking how identical. It is Herbert forty one
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and thirty eight win loss record, Peyton forty two and
thirty eight, both of them winless in the playoffs. Herbert
oh and two through five years, Manning oh to three.
Their team scored twenty four points per game. They threw
basically the same number of touchdown passes one thirty seven
to one thirty eight through five years in their career.
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And again, I understand more passing in today's football than then,
but the playoff numbers were also remarkably similar in terms
of the types of struggles, more interceptions than touchdowns, lower
passer rating, lower completion percentage in the playoffs versus the
regular season. But in year five Peyton got Doungeee. In
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year five Herbert got Harbaugh and things started to change.
And in year six for Peyton, he's co MVP of
the league, He's in the AFC Championship game, he's you know,
forty two hundred yards, they're scoring twenty eight points per game.
It was the arrival of the Peyton Manning that became
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one of the greatest to ever throw a football.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And I will be holding Justin Herbert to that standard.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
This is the last stand because I fully acknowledge at
some point the results need to be there in terms
of teams success. But I am as convinced today as
I was after his rookie year when he set the
NFL record for touchdown passes as a rookie with thirty one.
This is a Hall of Fame level talent. And I thought,
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what Jim Harbaugh said over the weekend is how I
felt about the entire Chargers organization ever since they lucked
into Miami drafting Tuoa over him.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The rest of you got to catch up to that guy.
That's from the heart.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
This is the truth.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Justin Herbert's biggest weakness is all of those that he's
counting on on offense, coaches, offensive line, playmakers, receivers, running.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Backs to get up to his level.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
You know. That's that's that's I wake up every day
to try to get to his level. So if you
put us as the as the number one duel, I
mean it's ninety justin ten ten.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Me amen Amen, Peyton Manning was the system. He went
to four Super Bowls with four different head coaches. That
was what it was. He got to a place where
he had such dominance and such control of the game
that wherever he went, he was the system. I think
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Justin Herbert can do that and is on his way
to doing that. And if the rest of the Chargers,
which I expect them to under Harbaugh, catch up to
him just a bit, don't put the shackles on him.
Let him throw, work off your run game, work off
your defense, and let that guy be one of the
best throwers of the football that I've ever seen. I
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think he's absolutely in the running for the MVP, and
I think they're absolutely in the running to win playoff
games this year, even being in the division with the
Kansas City Chiefs. I expect Justin Herbert to stay on
the Peyton Manning track by the end of this football season.
AJ Persinsk, you going to join us coming up in
about ten minutes. Luka, Doncic is looking good. There is
(15:04):
no doubt about it. We saw the pictures yesterday on
the show. But my god, some of you are overreacting
and gulageous. Oh little nuts, that's next. I'm a hurt business.
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Speaker 7 (15:25):
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
Back in on the Herd, Danny parkins in for Colin Baseball.
My Cubs gotta figure it out, gotta separate a little
bit from those pesky Milwaukee Brewers who are more than pesky,
and joining us now on the Herd. Old buddy of mine,
oh five World Series champion, one of eleven catchers with
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over two thousand hits, terrific Fox MLB analyst aj Perzinski
with us on the Herd. Ajis always man. Thank you
very much for the time.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
Moved up, Danny, moved up from the days of you know,
back in Chicago, the little radio show.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, you know, Kansas City. Now here you are doing
national stuff. Good for you.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Like I said, I'm trying to be like you. I'm trying.
I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, but nobody wants that. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah. I used to talk to your guy, Eric Kratz,
you know, in Kansas City because he was the only
guy who talked to me. And now here you and
I are doing this. It's ridiculous trade deadline is right
around the corner, and you know, it feels like almost
all of the moves come right at the deadline nowadays
with the expanded playoffs. But who, in your mind is
like the most needed. Like if you said this team
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more than anyone else needs to make a move, who
would it be.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
I have to look at the Cubs and I have
to look at the Astros that the two teams.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Your Cubs need to do something because no one thought.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
The Brewers would be here and here they are, game up,
one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball,
and the Cubs as good as they played, as well
as they played in place right now, nobody saw that coming.
They need a starting pitcher problem, maybe a back end reliever.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
The problem is every team we talk about needs the
same thing, a starter, a back in reliever, and a
power hitter. Guess what, not every team can get those things.
So I don't know what the Cubs can do. They
definitely need a starter because if Emanagua's right, and Tiane's
been okay, Forton's been okay, some of their guys have
been okay. They haven't been great, but they definitely need
a starting pitcher.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Who that is. I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
And then on the other end, the Astros, they they
had a huge lead, it's faltering. They need health, but
they need another starter behind Hunter Brown and from Ravaldez.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
They need a bat. Who's that bat going to be?
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Everyone says Gino Suarez, but every team wants Gino Suarez.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Every team wants a starter, every team wants a reliever.
The question is when will these moves start happening?
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Because the quicker you get these, especially relievers in bats,
they might only be one game extra, two games extra,
but that can be the difference in the division.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So you mentioned it briefly. They lost their general manager,
they've turned over star power, They've had the trade guys
away for money issues. They lose Craig Counsel to the Cubs.
How are the Brewers still this good? I legitimately do
not understand it. Well.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Pat Murphy, Matt Arnold start with the start at the top. Right.
Pat Murphy learned from the well coach Trek Council, and
now we learn how to manage from right.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Mattur and the Brewers are unbelievable at finding pitchers, developing
pitchers and getting.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Guys off the trash sheep.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
If that's what you're gonna call it, a waivers, I mean,
but then you throw in Miserowski, Brandon Woodriff has comeback,
Freddy Peralta has been a stud for them for many years.
But you lose Corton Burns, you lose Devin Williams, you
lose guy after guy after guy william Domis this offseason.
They just keep plugging away. They make great trades. Seems
like every trade they make is a win for them
one way or another. They and listen, look at a Rebay,
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Amner Rebay. They're bothpend their eighth dinning guy. If you
haven't seen this guy pitch one hundred mile an hour sinker,
ninety something mile an hour slider, Reese Hosk. We're showing right.
There has been a great fine for them this year.
They just find guys, plug them in.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
They know their role. And Pat Murphy's one of the
best managers in baseball.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So if you look at the standings, the Tigers have
a nine game lead. The next biggest division lead is
five and a half, and in the NL the East
is one and a half, the Central is one and
the West is only a four game lead, despite you know,
the perceived dominance of the Dodgers. Is there a best
team in baseball?
Speaker 8 (20:29):
I'm still gonna say the Dodgers because if they get healthy,
they got glass Now back, and they get Snell's coming,
they get some of their relievers back. It one through
twenty six, actually one through like fifty. The Dodgers are
the best team right because they've used so many guys
this year, they have the financial might to go out
and get whoever they wanted. The trade deadline, they'll trade
prospects for players. So it's still the Dodgers to me.
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But everyone thought they were going to go one hundred
and sixty two and oh, baseball's hard. A lot of
injuries and they signed a lot of guys that have
injury concerns when they sign them and they just kind
of play it up. But we have enough depth to
overcome it. Well, they haven't, and they're Yes. Do I
think they're gonna win the Division?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Do I think they're the favorites to win the World Series?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (21:09):
The National League is really hard, though. Phillies, Mets, Cubs, Brewers,
Padres who are not afraid of the Dodgers, whoever gets
in in the National League is.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Gonna have one heck of a run to get to
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Talking to some Baseball ahead of the deadline with Aj Prazinski,
the team the Dodgers beating the World Series last year,
the Yankees Aaron Judges hurt, and it does seem like
it might be they not a huge deal, but like
a medium sized deal here. What do you expect from
the Yankees? Down the stretches, they try to overcome this
il stan for Judge.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
A lot of this, A lot of us hold it
together until we get them back. Because we had Will
Carroll on our show yesterday and he said, this could
be a month. And you think about a month, that
puts us almost to September. Right, that's a long absence
for a guy that they rely on heavily. Listen, you
can make whatever argument you want about the Ali say
cal Rawley right now is my MVP, especially with Judge out.
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But the Yankees without Aaron Judge are a different team.
He changes the lineup, he changes the confidence, he changes
everything on that team. So if he misses longer, he said,
I'll be back in ten days, I'll have to see
it to believe it. But if they don't get Judge back,
they got to figure it out. Stanton's got to perform
Fellinger goldstrand have to go back. Anthony Volpi, who a
lot of Yankee fans are on, has to figure it out.
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There's a lot of question marks, especially with no Garrett
Cole now no Aaron Judge. There's a lot of questions
on this Yankee team. And the Blue Jays aren't going away.
They're hot as anybody right now and they have a
five and a half game lead after the Yankees pretty
much dominated the division for a long time.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Can you put in perspective, since you mentioned his name,
the amazement for a catcher to be doing what Cal
Rowley is doing at the dish?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
No, I can't what he's got forty one homers. We're
not even into August. He's a switch hitter.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
For me.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
People ask me all the time, who would you start
a team with, I mean schemes, probably is one, Bobby Witz,
probably two, and then I'll put this guy in the
top three because of what he does behind the plate,
what he does about He won the Platinum Glove last year,
which means he's the best defensive player in the American League.
So he won that and now he's leading the league
in home runs. Now will he keep it up and
hits sixty or seventy? I don't know, because he's gonna
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wear down. This dude plays every day, handles a great
pitching staff, and he hits homers. What else do you
want out of a player from a catcher, best catcher
in the league, best defensive player in the league, plays
every day, switch hits.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Oh yeah, and by the way, he's got forty one homers.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But you still you think he will wear down? You
had two homers over the week.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Every catcher does. Nobody has. No catcher can play. I
mean he played what one hundred and forty games last year,
something ridiculous. I mean he's on pace to do it
again this year. When he didn't catch he dhs. I mean,
Dan Wilson, you're a catcher, Give him a day off.
Everyone to Kim a day right, like every two weeks.
Give this guy down. This guy's unbelievable man. He wants
to play. If you ever talked to Calral, he's a
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great guy. Only one thing. I'm a Gator fan. He
went to Florida State. That's the only knock I can
put on this guy.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Nobody's perfect. You and I get along.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You're a white soxe, I'm a Cub No you know,
I know, I guess I didn't play for the Cubs
and clubs fan, but nobody's perfect. So the baseball I
think gets a bad rap sometimes for not promoting stars
doing things to build the game. Like I think baseball's
great at events like the All Star Game. They do
an amazing job. The Field of Dreams Game, I think
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was an incredible success. Games at a Negro league stadium.
What do you make of eighty thousand plus tickets in
the Speedway Classic in terms of a venue and spectacle
for Major League Baseball? I know this.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
The Fox people that I work with, Pete Macheska, Mattangele,
all the people behind the scenes, they're excited because they
have a chance to do something that nobody's ever done,
which is showcase.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Eighty five thousand.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
They're hoping maybe to get to one hundred thousand people,
and they have drones and they have all kinds of
special cameras they're gonna run. It's gonna be like no
game we've ever seen before. And I was fortunate to
play in a couple of these. I got to go
to Fort Bragg and play in a game in Fort
Brag in front of the troops, and do a couple
other things. You're right, major League Baseball does a lot
of these big games better than anything. I was at
Field of Dreams. The Tim Anderson home run to walk
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it off one of the best events I've ever been to.
This is going to be incredible. The field's going to
be perfect, and I can't wait to see the shots.
To think of us the biggest crowd of all time
to watch a baseball game, eighty five thousand plus people.
If you're a Braves or Red fan, this is something
you cannot miss. And if you're a TV baseball fan,
tune in because what Fox is about to do is
going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, and I think they deserve a lot of credit
for figuring out new ways to present the game, and
I think baseball genuinely has done a really good job
of that over the last five plus years. We got
really tough news in the baseball world yesterday with the
passing of Ryan Sandberg, a Hall of Fame player, and
it's a cliche, but also a Hall of Fame person,
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your interactions or impression of his impact on the baseball world.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Well, I've only met him a couple of times. Obviously,
being a white so Cubs of White Sox guys, they
don't intermingle a whole lot. We don't get together whole lot.
But I have met Rhino a few times, and he
was always a class act, unbelievable guy. Everything I heard
about him from Cubs fans and people that were in
the baseball world just said what a great human being
he was. I mean, we all thought he beat this.
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Remember it wasn't that long ago where he's like, I'm
cancer free, guys, let's celebrate, and then it came back quickly,
so terrible news. We've had a rough go in Chicago
with him and Bobby Jenks the last couple of weeks.
One of the big things about Rhino is, Listen, I
grew up in Florida. We didn't have a team, so
we had TVs for the Braves. We had WGN for
the Cubs, so he was on every day and they
played only day games back then.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
So I'd come home from school gets what was on
the Cubs.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
And Ryan Stamberg and Ron Say and that whole group
of guys. So I grew up watching the Cubs, and
I root for the Cubs. No, but I watched a
ton of Cub games, so I knew Ryan Stamberg. I
got to follow his career and the passing, and it
was just terrible news for baseball. Anytime you lose a
franchise icon like this, it's bad for the game. But
hopefully he's in a better place and we can move
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on and wish prayers for his family and friends.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You know, Dan, You're not gonna be laeve this, but
prayers for Cup fans because this is a sad day.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's big of you. That's big of you. And hey, yeah,
I am sorry for your loss. I know you and
Bobby Jangs had a special relationship as well, so I'm
sorry about his passing at a way too young age
as well.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Man, Well, thank you, Danny, I appreciate it. I got
I brought this for you today. It's my home run
I hit Ryan Dempster when I was with the White Sox,
so it's not I it is though. It's fun because
you're a Cub fan. I'm a White Sox fan, so
you know, we have to have a little back.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
And forth, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, it's just
you would have been a great Cub. I hated you
because you're you know, you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Know, do you know how close I was to being
a Cub?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
How close?
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Like So in two thousand and three, when I got
traded to the Giants, I actually got a call from
LaTroy Hawkins the night before and said, hey, we're trading
for you.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
He had just gone to the Cubs. He said, hey,
we're training for you tomorrow. Be ready. Dusty's already called me.
It's done. And then I get to call the next
day and I'm going to the Giants. I'm like, what happened.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
They're like, they threw in Francisco Leriano at the last minute,
and I got the deal. I was like, damn it. Instead,
they wouldn't got Michael Barrett. They got they traded for
Michael Barrett. Then we had to fight, So, I mean,
you know it all worked out.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Wow. What a sliding doors moment in history though.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, butterfly effect, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Absolutely, you never punched Michael Barrett the whole thing, the
whole fight, man, that's uh. You would have. You would
have been a good Cup. You would have been a
good cup.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Ohay, listen, I love Chicago.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
I know in today games. Then you can go to
dinner all that stuff. I would have loved it, but
not so much anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, check out a show foul Territory. You do great
work here at Fox. AJ. Thanks for always making time, man,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, real quick, before you gotta go. The Bear's going
to be any good this year.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
If they're not, I'm gonna start believing in curses. Man.
They got the so that they have to be they
We've waited our entire life for some sort of semblance
of respectability for quarterback in Chicago. All right, man, thank
you very much. Thanks Danny, I'll talk to you soon.
That's AJ Persinski, terrific Fox MLB analyst. All right again,
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Luka Dodgic a professional athlete exercising in the off season
who defunk it the appropriate reaction to those pictures. Next,
I'm the Hurd. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and neon Eastern not a Empacific. Welcome
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back to the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin
rank my top ten NFL teams heading into the season
coming up in just over twenty minutes. Then Nick Wright
will join the show from First Things First. Very much
looking forward to doing that and looking forward to joining
First Things First as they expand to three hours coming
up this football season. But yesterday, I think it showed
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the power of the Lakers and the power of late
July that a magazine cover could come out that is
straight pr and everyone would go insane. Luka Doncic was
on the cover of Men's Health, and Luka Doncic looks shredded.
(30:09):
He looks like skinny Luca and you put those pictures up.
And we've seen him a little bit this offseason. We
saw him with the Yankees, We've seen him out and
about a little bit. He's like, Oh, Luka Doncic figured
out what a barbell was, He learned about intermittent fasting.
He apparently is drinking less and smoking less hookah, and
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you know, being a professional athlete, and all of a sudden, it's, oh,
my god, professional athlete works out in the off season.
And I guess I didn't fully realize that in a
year where Luca was traded and arguably the craziest trade
in NBA history, when he had a significant calf strain
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that is often a precursor if you do not heal
it to blowing out your achilles see Tyrese Halliburton. And
he took his time coming back from that and it
had an impact on his conditioning, appearance, all of those things.
I feel like people forgot who Luka Doncic was. Like,
(31:17):
Luca is awesome, and I love Chris Broussard and I
can't wait to chop it up with him more on
the regular on first things first, But when we had
him on Heard yesterday, you would have thought that Luka
Doncic was reborn based on these pictures.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
When I saw this article, saw how Luca looked, read
it about you know how he's changed and this summers
different for him. I gave a big shout out to
Lebron James like this, this is a testament to Lebron
James's example and the impact it had on Luka Doncics.
(31:55):
I think he played with Lebron and saw wow, as
much physical ability as Lebron has, as much natural ability,
as much size and strength and athleticism as Lebron has. Naturally,
he goes above and beyond to become the player he is.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Even though Luca didn't say that in the article, and
maybe this is a little media insight, but getting a
magazine cover.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
It's not that difficult for a list.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Superstar athletes and celebrities like this was a puff piece.
This was the superstar athlete equivalent of, like you ever
break up with someone and then hit the weights because
you want to have that revenge. Look be you know
New Year knew me. Luca got dissed by the Mavericks.
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They leaked a bunch of stuff to the media about
his professionalism, and he's putting this out there to show
them what they missed. This is the superstar athlete equivalent
of getting dumped working out and then posting a shirtless
pick with pecks and biceps on Instagram, something I would
know nothing about, not because I've never been dumped, but
because I have no biceps or pecks. But the poise, this,
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the point is people forget that Luka Doncic, I mean,
people act like the guy doesn't play basketball. Before last
year seventy games played, sixty six games played, sixty five
games played, sixty six games, sixty one seventy two plus
his international schedule, Luka Doncic.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Plays basketball a lot really Oh, now.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
That Luka Doncic is intermittent fasting and doing bicep curls,
I'm gonna bet him for MVP. Luca was already a
really safe favorite type of bet for MVP. We have
saw him two seasons ago carry the Dallas Mavericks to
the NBA Finals. We have seen him average thirty four
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nine to ten in a season two years ago. Like
list of best players in the NBA, whatever your order is, Jokic, SGA,
Jannis Tatum, Luca, I know Lebron was six and MVP voting.
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I know Donovan Mitchell was first team All NBA, but
Luca didn't play in enough games to qualify. He was
traded in the middle of the season. He had the
cap injury. It was weird year, but I think most
people would agree that Luka Doncic is in the conversation
for being a top five player in the world. So
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good for the professional athlete working out in the offseason.
Maybe he'll start a little faster, but he's not gonna
get a better at defense, and I don't think it's
possible for him to get much better at basketball than
averaging thirty three nine to ten. So I'm just a
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little confused as to what we're talking about here. I
it's pr it's spin, it's image control, it's damage control.
It doesn't have to be anything more than that. And
I am just I expect even if Luka Doncic, I
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would have seen him at the Hookah Bar, if that
would have been the thing, if he would have been
on the cover of instead of Men's Health, he would
have been on the cover of Hookah magazine.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I would be like, man, Luca could win MVP.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Next year because he's Luka Dodgic, that the talent is
enough where he can win MVP. But Men's Health is
apparently supposed to I didn't know. I didn't know being
on the cover of Men's Health was supposed to change
the way that we all felt about one of the
five greatest offensive players in the sport and arguably one
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of the five greatest all around players in the sport
because he's doing bicep curls and shoving all of his
meals into eight hours a day. But I'm learning things
as we go throughout this life. I wanted to change
gears here a little bit and talk about an honor
the life of Ryan Sandberg. The Hall of Famer from
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the Chicago Cubs who passed away yesterday at sixty five
years old. And I knew Rhino a bit, and I'll
tell you my connection to him in a second. But
he was a larger than life figure in Chicago. He
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was the reason why many many people in Chicago and
frankly around the world became Cubs fans. When he won
his MVP award in nineteen eighty four, the Cubs had
not been to the playoffs in thirty nine years, and
so he wins that MVP there on WGN, the superstation,
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and people are watching Wrigley Fields come to life, and
this incredibly professional ballplayer. It's a cliche, play the game
the right way. He was just a model of consistency,
and he was. He was a humble superstar. And people say,
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never meet your heroes. I was a little young for
Ryan Sandberg to be a sports hero of mine, but
my older brother was significant. It was sixteen years older
than me, and he actually married someone whose father was
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very close to Ryan Sandberg. And so when I was
the best man in my brother's wedding at fifteen years old,
Ryan Sandberg was at the wedding, and so I gave
a best man speech at the wedding, and I didn't
talk to Ryan Sandberg about it at the wedding. But
many years later when I'm doing media in Chicago and
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Rhino would come on the show and he was a
Cubs ambassador, and he would do things. He would say,
you know, Margaret really liked your toast. Margaret was his wife,
And I'd be like, well, what about you, Rhyano, And
he was like, Margaret really liked your toast. Like he
just had this subtle ability. People who knew him better
said he was a prankster. He didn't really give off
(38:34):
the hilarious image too much publicly, but if you knew
him a little bit, he would. But the thing about
him was he just loved being a Cub and he
loved Cubs fans, and so people would come up to
him all the time and pay him a compliment and
he would always give them the time of the day,
ask them their name, ask them about him. And I
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went back and yeah, so this picture we're showing now
on FS one. It was crazy because about this time
last year, Ryan Sandberg came on the radio because I
do this cancer event in partnership with the Cubs called
Cubs for a Cure, where I broadcast for twenty four
hours straight it's coming up in two days on Thursday
on the Score in Chicago, and Ryan Sandberg came in
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because we knew he had been battling cancer, and he
very emotionally announced that just that morning he had had
a scan that was clear and his doctor said he
was cancer free, and he cried and it made national
news and we raised over a million dollars that weekend
with all of it going to cancer research. And we
took that picture that's the president of business for the Cubs,
Crane Kenny, with us on the field, and it was
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just this like beautiful celebration. And then eleven months later
he passes away from cancer, and it was just it
was gut wrenching because people when they talk about him,
if you didn't know him, you talk about the Sandberg game.
Bob Costa says it was the best baseball game ever called,
and it was unbelievable. You know, he hits two home
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runs and the ninth and tenth off Bruce Souiter, and
you know, the Cubs win twelve, eleven and extras, and
people talk about ten time All Star, nine time, gold Gloves,
silver slugg or MVP, whatever it is. When you say
never meet your heroes, and then he actually is to
so many a sports hero, and he's everything you want
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and more, it's just rare. So I wanted to play
a quick bite from his Hall of Fame speech because
I really think it encompassed how he approached the game,
but really how he approached life. Here's rhino.
Speaker 10 (40:38):
I was taught you never ever disrespect your opponent, or
your teammates, or your organization or your manager, and never
ever your uniform. Make a great play, act like you've
done it before, Get a big hit, look for the
third base coach, and get ready to run the bases.
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Hit a home run, put your head down, drop the bat,
run around the bases. Because the name on the front
is more a lot more important than the name on
the bag, that's respect.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I had an opportunity to talk to Ryan Sandberg on
the radio when it had been announced that he was
getting a statue at Wrigley Field, and what was the
position going to be. Was it going to be hitting
a home run from the Sandberg game, Was it going
to be him turning a double play that he was
famous for, and he said he thought it was going
to be more about defense, and it ended up just
being him in the ready position because he just wanted
(41:38):
to be ready to be a pro, and that encompassed
who he was. He crossed over, he cut through, He
mattered to a lot of people. Barack Obama posted a tribute.
Hall of Famer and Cubs stalwart Ryan Sandberg wasn't just
a great baseball player. He was a class act who
never cheated the game. Everyone in Chicago, including White Socks fans,
(42:00):
will miss him deeply, and it's so true. He was
a humble superstar. He wanted to meet you, he wanted
to talk to you, and he deserved so much more
than sixty five years of life. Rip Rhino.
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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