July 31, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin notices that all successful people including athletes all share the same quality
Colin gives his honest thoughts about Niners QB Brock Purdy
Matt Stafford may just prove to us all this year that he’s better than Aaron Rodgers
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It is the Herd in Los Angeles, wherever you may
be and however you may be less And then thank
you for making us part of your day. Nick right
in one hour stops by today. So I saw something
and this matters a lot to me. And over the
course of my life, the very successful people I've been
lucky enough to be associated with all share this quality.
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All of them. What is the quality? Did they go
to a great school?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Did they have rich parents?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Were they all know? There is a quality? Boy, did
I see it? When I saw Tom Brady in person.
It just jumps out the quality. I'm going to let
you hear. Caleb Williams, quarterback for the Bears, clearly has it.
His teammate Kevin Beard is a safety for the Bears,
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and he was on a Chicago radio station and he
was talking about one of the messages that Caleb Williams said.
He went front and center in the locker room and
he demanded something from his teammates and a lot of
you guys won't get this cause it's it's what a
lot of you guys are. But this is a great,
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great quality. And listen to this radio hit.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
First thing he says like, hey man, we're all grown
in here, right. You know, we're getting a little too sloppy.
You know what I'm saying there. We're leaving water bottles
and towels and all type of things around. Man, Like
custodians have a lot that they have to a lot
of square footage they have to cover around this whole building.
Let's try to help them out by cleaning up after ourselves.
And that's just little things, man, Because I just think
that when you want to be a great player, you
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always focus on the little details, you know what I mean,
not even just the details of the player, but the
details of everything around you.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Go ask Larry Fitzgerald how much film he watched, or
Cooper Cup Calvin Johnson, just not they run real fast details.
Caleb Williams living in the moment locker room. There's a mess.
It's too sloppy. Let's help the janitorial people. Consider it,
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of others, the opposite of narcissism. Let's clean up our workplace.
I always say this, go to a restaurant. If the
restrooms are dirty, what does the kitchen look like? When
I had to hire an accountant, an entertainment accountant in
Los Angeles, I was given three people. The one I
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hired is the one I have. The coffees, the chocolates,
the sodas were lined up. It's the cleanest workspace I've
ever seen. Grant Nyman's his name. It's why I hired him,
and he's been amazing. It matters. I told my kids,
sloppy bedroom, cluttered mine. Get it right. Caleb Williams, concientious,
Dak Prescott rookie year, Week eleven. They're winning a game.
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This shouldn't matter. But I talked about this for weeks.
All I got was pushback. He throws a little cup
behind him on the bench and it doesn't go into
the garbage. It's no big deal, right, he makes a
point of grabbing it, being conscientious. I mean, if he
didn't pick it up, somebody else has to and putting
it in the garbage. It's a little thing. It matters.
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He has been in Dallas. Not the best arm not
the best athlete, he's an incredibly conscientious player. If you
look at the great quarterbacks, they're meticulous, They're precise, Breeze Manning, Brady, precision.
This is what quarterback is. It is about precision. Sloppy
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quarterbacks let it rip, don't watch that much film. I'll
get it up the field somewhere. Don't work. That's why
I've always said Brett Farv would not age as well today.
He's too sloppy, too ad lib making stuff up. He'd
be talented, but he wouldn't be precise. And that's the difference.
I love Josh Allen, but he's not always de sie
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not always great with the details. Without Brian Daball, he's
not one of the big games. That's the league inches,
not feet, and so dak in that moment when I
talked about it, people say it doesn't matter. When Tom
Brady came here and sat on set, I've only been
around Tom twice once he didn't see me. This time
he did. The first takeaway I have on Tom Brady
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is his dress is organized, his speech is organized. The
way he thinks and compartmentalizes thoughts is organized. It reminds
me a lot of Peyton Manning when I've talked to him,
buttoned up. So what Caleb Williams is saying is, hey, guys,
it's a mess. The little stuff matters. Pick up the
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water bottles, the towels. Also, let's help the people around us.
If we don't pick it up, somebody else has to.
Little stuff signs, precision details. It's a meticulous position anything
other than astronaut where three to four seconds and rapid
decisions are the difference between success and failure. That's the
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position on target, on time particular. It is the department
of weights and measures. And I just love this. I
know it's little go ahead and push back. But in
my life, these successful people I've met, it could be
my attorney, it could be Tom Brady, it could be executives.
They don't have sloppy offices. They're meticulous, they're prepared. The
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little stuff matters. People that do little stuff well are
in my lifetime, are always better at the big stuff.
They're not caught off guard. They're not ad living through life.
I tell people this, when you're late to pick somebody up,
you're late to the airport, it's just inconsiderate. It's narcissistic.
You're thinking about you and not others. Don't be late
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to stuff, be on time. It speaks volumes of you.
So I saw this story. Brock Purdy is saying, Hey,
people have asked him about this, and he has said,
I understand kind of my role in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Here's Brock perty He's one.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Of the best play callers in the in the league,
in the NFL. And so for me, I'm still looking
at it like I'm learning from this guy. However he
sees it wherever he's calling, like, I'm gonna trust that
and we're gonna roll with it. I'm not going to
walk out this year ago, and all right, I've played
enough football and I'm going to just start calling my
own things. And Kyle's gonna hundred that, trust me. No,
it's I still got to learn and believe and trust
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of what he's calling is right, and I'm gonna play
within that system. And if I ever do see something,
I can do it. But I got to be able
to come back off the sideline and tell him why
I did that.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's right. So, for the record, people think I'm highly
critical of brock perty and I said this yesterday to
j Mac. J Mack loves him so much. I'm like
pump the brakes. He's the last player pick for a reason.
But it's not that I don't like him. But what
he's saying is I understand my role in Kyle's system. Now,
for the record, I think most young quarterbacks do. Most
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don't come in cocky and ad lib. So this is
kind of the foundation. What he's telling you is I'm
good at the foundational stuff that matters. But that's never
been the question with Brock Purty. Sean McVay bailed on
Jared Goff, who got him too a Super Bowl he
didn't bail on Jared Goff because he wasn't coachable, or
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didn't listen, or didn't understand his place in mcveigh's system.
He bailed on him because when Belichick solved the wizardry
of mcveigh's offense in the Super Bowl, Goff couldn't make
a play outside of structure. If you go to Nick
Saban's career at Alabama, the quarterbacks he lost to, and
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some of them I didn't even love Johnny Man Well,
were guys that could do things out of structure. Now,
you don't want that to be the foundation of the house.
But Patrick Mahomes is trailed by ten points in the
last two Super Bowls and he has won both not
because of structure, but because second half, fourth quarter limping
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he has to reel off one of those great plays.
I still think San Francisco and Philadelphia had better rosters
than Kansas City. Kansas City's structure allowed them to keep
it close, and eventually the great ones that hold the
trophies up have to make something happen. But you can
win a lot of games in this league being Dak
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and cousins. I'll give you an example, Alex Smith. There's
two traits in this league that will win you a
lot of games, smart and accurate. Brock Purty is clearly
both Cousins, Dak, Alex Smith have won a lot of
games because they're smart and accurate, but they're not hosting
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trophies because as you play deeper into the playoffs, you
face an Allen, a Lamar, a Stafford, a Burrow, a
ma Holmes. And that's my question contextualizing it about Purdy,
I think he's in the class of Dak and Cousins
and Alex Smith. And by the way, Alex Smith is
sixty nine thirty one and one when he had Harbon
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Andy Reid, but both Harbon Andy Reid at one point
said I'm gonna move off him. So Purdy has the Cousins, Dak,
Alex Smith traits, and those traits can win divisions, and
those traits can win a lot of games three out
of four, but they don't hold trophies. And eventually the
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standard with Shanahan and the Niners is going to be
tested because if Brock once again, when he's not being paid,
and you can stack the roster, which you can't do
once you pay him, then you to peel off three
or four stars. But if he can't win that big
game against a Stafford, he can't win that big game
against an emerging a Jordan Love or a Mahomes or
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an Alan Lamar Herbert with Harbaugh, then Shanahan will have
to make the same decision Andy Reid did with Alex
Smith or Harbaugh did with Alex. By the way, Dak cousins,
Alex exceptionally smart, coachable, accurate, trophies ask for something beyond that,
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and I think what Shanahan is pursuing is beyond that.
So there is not a criticism of Purdy, just trying
to put it and frame it so so you know,
I'm not anti brock guy.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I saw something. I was thinking about this the quarterbacks
and people. We all have different journeys. I mean, you
went to college. I went to college. I didn't go
to college with any rich people, right like, right like,
all of us kind of came middle class or below families.
I went to a small regional college. But it is
fascinating in college when you learn other people's journeys. Some
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kids come from great families, some broken families, some come
from you know, it's a mess, and it's very important
that we realize, you know, they always have the saying
be nice to people. You don't know what they've been
through in that day. That people have different journeys daily, weekly, monthly, annually,
in a lifetime. And I was thinking about this with
a certain quarterback, and I think he has the most
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fascinating journey in the NFL, and it's Matt Stafford. And
some of the details of his contract came out, and
I want to I want to talk about Matt Stafford
and his journey and how we could perceive him significantly
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different if he got to another Super Bowl. Don't be crazy.
He's got the coach, he's got the weapons. Just just
it's I'm gonna give you some perspective on Matt Stafford.
His journey to me is a fascinating one, and I
think it's it is aligned with a lot of people
watching or listening to my show today, and I want
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to talk about that next. He's got a lot more
in common with you, despite the fact that you listening
or watching are not an NFL quarterback and worth two
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
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Speaker 1 (13:36):
Welcome back. It is a Wednesday, Nick, right, about forty
five minutes from now. Good time of the year. Watch
some Olympics. It was nice. Now I'm back into football tomorrow.
Don't forget Bears. Texans. We're told Caleb Williams unfortunately will
not play. Gotta see a little Caleb Williams. Right, they're
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saying you won't play. I was thinking about Matt staff Efford.
They just readd his contract with the Rams, And it's
real easy to do what I do, or what j
Mac does, or people in this space to just say
the obvious stuff. And sometimes people like us will go
out there and make predictions, have theories, and they're wrong.
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But this is a thought exercise. What I'm going to
present to you is a thought exercise. May not be right,
but it's something interesting to think about. The premise is
you may think much differently legacy wise, of Matt Stafford
and Aaron Rodgers by the end of this season in February,
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so in high school, Matt Stafford was much better best
high school quarterback in the country. Aaron had to go
to a junior college. Stafford was better up to eighteen
years old. Stafford was also a much better college quarterback
Georgia than Aaron Rodgers. Now we're up to twenty two
years old. Stafford was also better until twenty five years
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old because he actually played in the NFL. Aaron rode
the bench, but Stafford had a bad ownership, bad gms,
multiple coaches, multiple coordinators, horrible defenses. In twelve years in Detroit,
Stafford had three different head coaches, four different coordinators, and
in twelve years one thousand yard rushers, averaged a below
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average offensive lines, two winning seasons in seven years. Hey,
he had Calvin Johnson. Yeah, great, one great receiver. In
his twelve years in Detroit, the Lions were the third
worst defense in the league. They got him one receiver,
everything else stunk. Similarly, Aaron in his thirteen yearish peak
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in Green Bay had an elite front office, excellent o lines.
I looked it up this morning. In those peak years
the number eight and oh, by the way, seven different seasons,
seven not one like Stafford. Seven, seven times more than
Stafford had at least one thousand yard rushers. They drafted better,
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they protected better. He had better coaches, both offensive and
we view Rogers up here in Stafford down there. But
let's go back to high school. Stafford much better, college
not necessarily close. First four years Stafford actually played when
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he wasn't hurt because of the bad surrounding cast. So
for those thirteen prime years, Aaron was the trust fund kid,
didn't have to worry about safety or was he going
to be fed tonight? And Stafford was scrapping for his
own meals. Divorce a mess, metaphorically, every day was an adventure,
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a roller coaster in peril. But now the roles have
been switched, and Stafford has the great coach, the capable GM,
the excellent owner who's not impulsive, the very good weapons,
and in three seasons, Matt Stafford has already won a
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super Bowl and has a better winning percentage four and
one in the playoffs than Aaron ever did. And it's
erin now, the impulsive week owner, the unproven coach, the
rickety rebuilt again offensive line. Let me ask you, in
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six months from today, if Stafford's in another NFC championship,
and this morning I have them as one of four
teams that could be. Health is obviously big, and Aaron
fizzles out again, we sure, Aaron's much better. That's why
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I've always said I'm not impressed with trust fund kids.
It must be nice to wake up knowing the meals
will be perfect. You're driving a great car. You don't
have to worry about chaos at home. Don't feel like working,
you don't have to. There's a safety net. I'm much
more impressed with somebody that may make significantly less, but
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professionally has cobbled together a redeemable life with a really
tough background. Stafford was better easily in high school, college
and as an early pro, but then he got a
really bad family. Now he's got a good one again.
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Don't be surprised if he separates again from Aaron Rodgers.
Just a thought exercise. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
News no, no, no, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Pretty deep take there is that you talking are the
genius Gump.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, so just go for it? Should we give it up?
Six months ago I heard about something, and then I
heard about it again about six weeks ago, and then
I heard about it again. This is the way I work.
And finally I said, I'm going to buy this product
called neurogum, and it's got all the qualities of an
energy drink without the crap. And so you take the neurogum,
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get you it four or five minutes, and you get
a caffeine hit. You think more clearly. And so the
last several weeks I've been on this stuff, and I
think you're noticing there's no there's no off switch anymore.
Oh boy, that's carry off. That's a good line, is
that you were the gum talking. The truth is, I
don't know. That could have been a neurogum that rant
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sponsored by neurogum. Yeah, I like it. All right, Let's
get to the New York yess.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
They have preseason games against the Commanders, Panthers, and Giants.
What a heavy hitting lineup that is. I headed their
Monday Week one opener against the Niners.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Well.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Talking to a Orders yesterday, Robert Sala talked about his
preseason plan for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
We haven't really talked about it. My instinct right now
as I stand here is, uh.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
My instinct is no, but uh, but I want to
leave it open that that third game is the one
where where we're deciding. So he definitely won't play the
first two. But the discussion on the third one we
just haven't quite had yet.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm excited. I'm just really I think they're fascinating. Chicago
and the Jets are fascinating to me. Just want to
watch it, no judgment, let's go.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Maybe it's me, but does Sala look a little trimmed down?
Looks like he maybe lost some weight, some the stress
getting to him. Listen, it's been a stressful summer.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But they didn't know, if didn't know if Aaron would
come back from Egypt. Yeah, he's a little stressed down.
Every time he takes the podium. It's like, okay, hold
on your hats here.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You know, I I listen, man, I'll just say say less,
Robert Salo, that's it.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Just say less. That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Don't give the media is.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They want the chum in the water. They want it
out there and stir it up and sell news.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You've got New York's the last city in America. It's
the last city in America with like three to four
viable newspapers. You go to a Yankee game, the batting cage,
you're gonna have twenty people around there. You got the
daily News, you got the Post, you got the Times
you got. I'm sure New Jersey's got the Bergen Record. Yeah,
you know, I'm probably missing one of them. So Newsweek
or if that's still going on, so and whatever one
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you work for news Day. So the point being is
there is more people fighting in coverage, and that's a
very good point by you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
In fact, three of the best New York athletes ever
were masters at it. Aaron Judge, Eli Manning and Derek
Jeter talked and never said. Joe Tory was great at that.
Joe Tory talked, they never said a thing. And Joe
Torri is a He's got a well a reservoir of
information in great stories. It's an art for me, it's
an art for Eli was the best. Jeter was amazing.
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Aaron Judge is great. Just talk and don't say anything.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Aaron Rodgers, that's you know, he didn't. He hasn't been
around the New York media. This is only his second year, right,
and it seems like he's always saying something which is
kind of the opposite of what I want.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Anyways, let's move to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Things are to continue to just spiral downward for Dallas. Okay,
So Jerry Jones obviously said we're all in earlier this offseason.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Then they haven't done a damn thing.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, Dak Prescott is now calling out fans to their negativity.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Here we go, be fans or don't be fans.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
If you're a fan, you're gonna you're gonna turn the
page just as we do. You're gonna move forward understanding
that you've got better ahead of you. Sorry, obviously, but
nobody hurt. It hurt us more than it did them.
And uh obviously it's it's on us to get back
and to do better. But uh yeah, move on.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's how I used to talk to my old management
at the other place. You're into the show where you're not.
Don't nitpick good day's bad days into the show or
not that brutally honest. Oh absolutely, this place understands that
the management here is supportive even if you have a
bad day. But that's what Dak is basically saying, is
something he's confronting it. Let's you're with us or not.
This stuff is hard. It sucks when we lose. It
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hurts us more than you. But you're with us or
or not.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I don't have a problem with that. At all. That's it. Listen.
That doesn't mean you can't be criticized. It doesn't mean
there can't be moments when you go to dak and
fans have a right to have opinions. But I think
sometimes it's really hard out there for pro athletes because
all this social media nonsense, and you know, you start
reading too much of that stuff, you'll start doubt itself.
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Like I remember one time at Tampa. I was at
a steakhouse in Tampa with a friend, Kevin o' Kevin O'Donnell, Yeah,
and we saw Derek Jeter walk in and I forget this,
that could have been Flemings or something like that. He
walked in and Jeter had like nine guys around him,
and I had asked somebody about like Jeter and it
was spring training time, and somebody told me close to
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Jeter or close to the Yankees, like Derek has his guys,
and Derek doesn't want a lot of negativity around him
because you start thinking too much when you're at the plate.
That's how slumps happen. And that Derek chose friends wisely,
and that positive people, uplifting people doesn't mean yes, men,
everybody's got somebody. Brady had his trainer, Brady had Edelman,
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Brady's got if you're married, you don't have a yes person,
they're gonna call you out. But there is something to
be said about like like you have to kind of
compartmentalize it, like you're with us or you're not. This
journey's gonna be really hard. It's hard in the NFL.
Brady every year, the best quarterback ever would just have
an awful game. Mahomes will have these two games stretches
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where mechanically he's off and then Andy Reid gets him
back into the fairway. So I don't have a problem
with what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So this Tampa lunch spot was that one of those
like steak buffet deals, no their dancers at lunch and no.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Mons venus, no, oh no, this was a reputable steakhouse.
I don't even think I was paying if I might
have been a freebie with Kemp.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
So just the final question on deck, I do wonder
he hasn't got the contract every other quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Up Pat He's gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I'm sure he will.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But if this continues to linger, does he start to
dig his heels in and start to.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Play the villain role because that's an option for him.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Hey, I'm not getting what I want.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I've been everything you've asked for and more in Dallas.
I've done more for this team in terms of playoff appearance.
Is that anyone else in the last twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
That's not him, That's not what he does, that's not.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
We're sure he's not gonna be like, you know, just
say what's on his mind.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Where sometimes you gotta bite your tongue. You know, we
do it here a lot, but we don't do it
here a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You don't do that.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We show you don't bite your tongue sometimes. Not really,
I don't bite my tongue.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Should I stop biting? On chewing that neuro gup vital
story is the Bears and the DJ Moore signing he
got yesterday. Their wide receiver got a four year, one
hundred and ten million dollars extension. He's really good largest enfranchise,
he's their best.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, that's the best receiver the Chicago Bears have had
in the history of the franchise. That's the best. No,
DJ Moore's better. DJ Moore is the best wide receiver
in the history of the Chicago Bears. I have no
problem saying.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't even know if I could name like seven receivers.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Al Sean Jefferson, Willy Gold. They've had a bunch of guys.
Brandon Marshall and his prime is very good. DJ Moore
is and DJ moorees put up big numbers, which with
below average quarterbacks can yeah, wait till DJ if Caleb
can play, watch DJ Moore. Here's a fantasy tip. You
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may want to grab DJ Moore because who is Who's
Caleb going to rely on? DJ Moore and Keenan Allen
is veterans, not Roma Dunze, who could be good. He's
gonna go to those veteran guys understand how to beat
the zone, which everybody now plays in the NFL. DJ
Moore is worth and I know wide receivers can be
overpaid and then there's a bubble. DJ Moore's really good.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
We do a lot of top five, top ten listening.
I mean, he's really good. The numbers last year were incredible.
He was good at Carolina. Is he a top ten receiver?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I think he's probably closer to eight nine, But yeah,
I mean, think about the numbers he's putting up with
the quarterback he had and with a protection.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's like Garrett Wilson with the J.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, Garrett's Garrett's very very good. Garrett is great. Have
you have to be able to see something. It's easy
to say. Once a guy's putting up big numbers, he's great.
DJ Moore is a guy that now bears old line.
You can't double him now with Roma Dunze, they're tight ends.
You can't double DJ Moore as easily as.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You could the Washington game last year, he just went off.
I think he had a monster I remember because I
had him in fantasy now more Moore is very good. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Is that it?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay?
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Check for the game in your area. If you want
to know how great Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are,
I'll get to that in one second. And this is
something I've thought a lot about through the years, is
the difference between legend and really really really really good
Like pro bowler and legend. There's a big gap. There
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is a huge gap between Aaron Donald, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor,
and every other great defensive linemaneuver. Like Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald,
Reggie White were not blockable by one person. I mean
the gap between Aaron Donald and even an excellent Fletcher
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Cox the massive and so you tend to think in sports, well,
you know, I know that you know Kobe's better than
this guy. No, it's bigger than you think. And here's why.
Because teams game plan for the great players Jordan Byrd,
mad Lebron, Steph. The game plan they're the number one target,
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trap them, double them, NFL rollover coverage, and they still
still get the numbers. They never get equal coverage or
are guarded in the NBA equally. People watch film game plan.
There were moments last year, pieces of tape when there
were three offensive linemen assigned to Aaron Donald, three and
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all those guys were probably, you know, all conference in
their college conferences. Three guys on Aaron Donald. I think
it's one of the reasons he got he wanted to retire.
It just if he was getting single blocking assignments, he's
still stay in the league. But it was exhausting because
the rams outside of him. Once Von Miller left, he
didn't have a ton of support around him. So that's
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that's how I feel about, Like Patrick Mahomes, So, the
NFL has come out with their top one hundred list
voted on by the players. The Jets have six players,
six players in the top ninety. The Dolphins have seven
players in the top ninety. Even the crappy New York
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Giants have two. Denver's got two. Kansas City doesn't have
any none, no players in the top ninety. They are
absurdly top heavy as a franchise, which is a major
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red flag for teams like Dallas. Basically, Mahomes has two
great teammates older Travis Kelcey and Chris Jones. That's how
great Mahomes is. The Jets have six, the Dolphins have seven.
Two has got seven guys in the top ninety. He
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went and faced Mahomes, couldn't beat him. That's you know,
oh whoa, whoa, wha, He's got Travis, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
He's actually got some players. It feels very much like
the later years in New England for Brady when he
had Gronk Edelman. It's the fun gilmore like, that's the
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difference between Brady and the other guys and Mahomes and
the other guys. It's crazy when you go look at
the top one hundred, how you have to again contextualize it.
A lot of these teams have four five and six
guys in the top eighty and ninety, but they don't
have the quarterback. That's why it's a quarterback coaches league.
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So I was thinking about this. So the Commanders, there's
always been this sort of back and forth push and
pull do you start a rookie quarterback? So my take is, well,
just depends if you have the offensive line set like
the Dallas Cowboys did with Dak play him. He's going
to be protected. I tend to I tell my friends
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this in the business in the NFL, like it's actually
a pretty simple business. Three things matter in the NFL.
Once you have the coach, and you know it's hard
to find the coach. But once you get the coach,
draft the right quarterback or acquire him, draft them or
acquire him. Number two, protect him, and number three draft
require players who get after their quarterback get years, protect years,
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and get people who can fluster theirs. You do that right,
if you have a reasonable coach, you go in a
bunch of games. So in Washington, they are in no
rush to start Jayden Daniels. So here's their coach and
their GM on the process of their rookie quarterback.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
From LSU, we have an effective plan for him, and
Jaden's the type of guy that wants to go nail
it because you want to look down the line so much.
But he's doing outstanding and we're really pleased we're around.
But we're not changing the timelines or the guidelines and
how we're going to approach things.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
When they're ready.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
That the team knows, the coaches know. So you don't
want to fast track it, you don't want to slow
it down.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
You just want to let it happen naturally.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So there is this sense and belief that almost all
the great ones started day one. Here's a list of
people that didn't start year one. Joe Montana, Brett Fahr,
Brady Breeze, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers,
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Golf Cousins, mahomes Lamar Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts. Yeah, I
don't think Philip Rivers started into maybe year three. So
for the record, you know who did start day one
and got the living you know what kicked out of
him because they had bad old lines. Andrew Luck who
had to retire early, and Cam Newton started day one
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and basically was a shot fighter at thirty two because
he took a beating. Joe Burrow started day one, Kyler
Murray started day one, been injured throughout their career. Matt
Stafford's first two years in Detroit, he was always hurt.
So with Jaden Daniels, let me throw a number at you.
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So the quarterbacks who don't start, some do, some don't,
but might. Let's go back to my theory, if you
got the right coach. You hope dan Quinn's the right coach.
He did get to a super Bowl. I think it
was a good hire. Once you get the coach right,
get your quarterback Jaden Daniels, and then protect him and
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draft require people that can disrupt their quarterback. So number
two is protect your quarterback. Washington has three new starters
on the offensive line and PFF projects them as the
twenty seventh best O line. I have no problem him sitting.
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And also quarterbacks like Jayden Daniels that rely on their legs.
Anthony Richardson last year, how did his season end? Watching
the games because he got hurt. So when you have
what you would consider an above average or a hyper
athletic quarterback who's just gonna naturally run, and then you
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add in the element or component of poor protection with
somebody who's you know, I mean Anthony Richards and Jayden Daniels,
Caleb Williams, they're gonna take off. Like I've said before,
if you have a great singing voice, you're singing in
the car, you're singing in the shower. It's just what
you're gonna do. Like Jaden's gonna run. Jaden's gonna move
and he should, and Caleb's gonna do the same thing.
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Michael Pennix won't bow Nicks, won't JJ McCarthy won't run much.
But you know, some of these guys are gonna run.
It's in them. They're good at it. You add that
to a bad offensive line. So I am not a
believer that you have to start a young quarterback. By
the way, Bryce Young started Game one for Carolina, he
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was sacked sixty two times. Wouldn't it have been better,
by the way, if he didn't have to start last year,
somebody else could take the beating. Here's the other downside
to starting a quarterback early. So it's very different. First
of all, it's hard for anybody, you me, anybody when
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you have a new job, like your first six months
on a new job, and now that nobody plays in
the preseason and you have limited padded practices because of
the CBA years ago, it's much harder to really know
what you have until you play the games. Much easier
ten years ago, much easier seven eight years ago. Everybody
played in the preseason at least one two to three drives.
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Week three of the preseason was like kind of like
seventy percent a real game. You had some sense, live bullets,
what a guy can do. You don't have that anymore.
You just don't have that. So you really don't know
what you have until the games. So don't you think
it's a bit problematic that you're making really big judgments
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and think about it outside of football on a new
employee with no support. I think you can overreact to
bad early performances. People mostly think Bryce Young is shot.
What if Bryce Young last year had Green Bay's receivers,
green Bay's coach, and Green Bay's offensive line, you think
you'd have a different opinion on Bryce Young. I don't
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like Daniel Jones, but who the hell could be great
with that Giants old line? Outside of left tackle, it's
a mess. So the other problem was starting quarterbacks. Young
Joe Burrow not only got hurt multiple times because they
couldn't get the old line right, he was so gifted
that despite the bad old line play, you kind of
had a sense as this kid's reready special. They just
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got to keep him up. But not everybody's going to
be as good as Joe Burrow, who may be on
any given Sunday outside of Mahomes, and including Mahomes, the
best quarterback in the league if he's upright. So I
think you can start because all these things are converging.
Nobody plays starters, especially veteran offensive linemen in the preseason,
fewer padded practices. You don't know what you have at
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quarterback until there's real games. And sometimes even when you
get to real games with a young quarterback Jordan Love,
the difference between the first four starts and the next seven,
you got a different quarterback Jordan Love. In September, Matt Lafleur,
one of the nicest coaches in the league, would go
to the podium and he was he was pissed off
at what he saw. He was critical of Jordan Love.
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And Matt's like the nice guy in the league of
all the coaches, and he was banging on Jordan Love.
Four weeks later, It's like, I have the best quarterback
in my division. I got one of the best quarterbacks
in the conference. So I think it's people can come
out and have these incredibly punitive opinions on young quarter
I mean, preseason used to matter, so I take vacation
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time in preseason. Now nobody plays. We thought, can he
Pickett look good in preseason? I mean, it doesn't matter anymore.
So that's my take. Here's the Commander's schedule, by the way,
so let let's look at their schedule. So you know,
it's your typical NFL schedule at Tampa Giants. That seems
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pretty workable in the first two games, but you start
looking at the quarterbacks He's gonna face and all of
a sudden, it's burrow in the Kyler into Sean into
Lamar and again this is kind of a common NFL schedule.
I don't have strong opinions about it really either way.
It's not super easy, it's not super tough, but it
gives you some perspective on Now. Now many of you say, hey, Colin,
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he faces the Giants week two. I want him on
the field for that one. That's not a bad argument.
But I would tell you if I looked at the
Commander's schedule today and you had the Steelers defense, the
Eagles defense, and the Ravens defense in the first three weeks.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Be careful That Giants pass rush is good.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's the one thing they do.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But they got some pass rushers. Looking at the schedule,
that's not a playoff.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Team, Colin.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
They're probably gonna start one in three and then Brown's Ravens.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
My point is no rush. Agree our two next
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It is the Herd in Los Angeles, wherever you may
be and however you may be less And then thank
you for making us part of your day. Nick right
in one hour stops by today. So I saw something
and this matters a lot to me. And over the
course of my life, the very successful people I've been
lucky enough to be associated with all share this quality.
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All of them. What is the quality? Did they go
to a great school?
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No?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Did they have rich parents?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Were they all know? There is a quality? Boy, did
I see it? When I saw Tom Brady in person.
It just jumps out the quality. I'm going to let
you hear. Caleb Williams, quarterback for the Bears, clearly has it.
His teammate Kevin Beard is a safety for the Bears,
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and he was on a Chicago radio station and he
was talking about one of the messages that Caleb Williams said.
He went front and center in the locker room and
he demanded something from his teammates and a lot of
you guys won't get this cause it's it's what a
lot of you guys are. But this is a great,
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great quality. And listen to this radio hit.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
First thing he says like, hey man, we're all grown
in here, right. You know, we're getting a little too sloppy.
You know what I'm saying there. We're leaving water bottles
and towels and all type of things around. Man, Like
custodians have a lot that they have to a lot
of square footage they have to cover around this whole building.
Let's try to help them out by cleaning up after ourselves.
And that's just little things, man, Because I just think
that when you want to be a great player, you
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always focus on the little details, you know what I mean,
not even just the details of the player, but the
details of everything around you.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Go ask Larry Fitzgerald how much film he watched, or
Cooper Cup Calvin Johnson, just not they run real fast details.
Caleb Williams living in the moment locker room. There's a mess.
It's too sloppy. Let's help the janitorial people. Consider it,
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of others, the opposite of narcissism. Let's clean up our workplace.
I always say this, go to a restaurant. If the
restrooms are dirty, what does the kitchen look like? When
I had to hire an accountant, an entertainment accountant in
Los Angeles, I was given three people. The one I
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hired is the one I have. The coffees, the chocolates,
the sodas were lined up. It's the cleanest workspace I've
ever seen. Grant Nyman's his name. It's why I hired him,
and he's been amazing. It matters. I told my kids,
sloppy bedroom, cluttered mine. Get it right. Caleb Williams, concientious,
Dak Prescott rookie year, Week eleven. They're winning a game.
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This shouldn't matter. But I talked about this for weeks.
All I got was pushback. He throws a little cup
behind him on the bench and it doesn't go into
the garbage. It's no big deal, right, he makes a
point of grabbing it, being conscientious. I mean, if he
didn't pick it up, somebody else has to and putting
it in the garbage. It's a little thing. It matters.
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He has been in Dallas. Not the best arm not
the best athlete, he's an incredibly conscientious player. If you
look at the great quarterbacks, they're meticulous, They're precise, Breeze Manning, Brady, precision.
This is what quarterback is. It is about precision. Sloppy
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quarterbacks let it rip, don't watch that much film. I'll
get it up the field somewhere. Don't work. That's why
I've always said Brett Farv would not age as well today.
He's too sloppy, too ad lib making stuff up. He'd
be talented, but he wouldn't be precise. And that's the difference.
I love Josh Allen, but he's not always de sie
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not always great with the details. Without Brian Daball, he's
not one of the big games. That's the league inches,
not feet, and so dak in that moment when I
talked about it, people say it doesn't matter. When Tom
Brady came here and sat on set, I've only been
around Tom twice once he didn't see me. This time
he did. The first takeaway I have on Tom Brady
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is his dress is organized, his speech is organized. The
way he thinks and compartmentalizes thoughts is organized. It reminds
me a lot of Peyton Manning when I've talked to him,
buttoned up. So what Caleb Williams is saying is, hey, guys,
it's a mess. The little stuff matters. Pick up the
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water bottles, the towels. Also, let's help the people around us.
If we don't pick it up, somebody else has to.
Little stuff signs, precision details. It's a meticulous position anything
other than astronaut where three to four seconds and rapid
decisions are the difference between success and failure. That's the
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position on target, on time particular. It is the department
of weights and measures. And I just love this. I
know it's little go ahead and push back. But in
my life, these successful people I've met, it could be
my attorney, it could be Tom Brady, it could be executives.
They don't have sloppy offices. They're meticulous, they're prepared. The
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little stuff matters. People that do little stuff well are
in my lifetime, are always better at the big stuff.
They're not caught off guard. They're not ad living through life.
I tell people this, when you're late to pick somebody up,
you're late to the airport, it's just inconsiderate. It's narcissistic.
You're thinking about you and not others. Don't be late
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to stuff, be on time. It speaks volumes of you.
So I saw this story. Brock Purdy is saying, Hey,
people have asked him about this, and he has said,
I understand kind of my role in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Here's Brock perty He's one.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Of the best play callers in the in the league,
in the NFL. And so for me, I'm still looking
at it like I'm learning from this guy. However he
sees it wherever he's calling, like, I'm gonna trust that
and we're gonna roll with it. I'm not going to
walk out this year ago, and all right, I've played
enough football and I'm going to just start calling my
own things. And Kyle's gonna hundred that, trust me. No,
it's I still got to learn and believe and trust
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of what he's calling is right, and I'm gonna play
within that system. And if I ever do see something,
I can do it. But I got to be able
to come back off the sideline and tell him why
I did that.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's right. So, for the record, people think I'm highly
critical of brock perty and I said this yesterday to
j Mac. J Mack loves him so much. I'm like
pump the brakes. He's the last player pick for a reason.
But it's not that I don't like him. But what
he's saying is I understand my role in Kyle's system. Now,
for the record, I think most young quarterbacks do. Most
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don't come in cocky and ad lib. So this is
kind of the foundation. What he's telling you is I'm
good at the foundational stuff that matters. But that's never
been the question with Brock Purty. Sean McVay bailed on
Jared Goff, who got him too a Super Bowl he
didn't bail on Jared Goff because he wasn't coachable, or
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didn't listen, or didn't understand his place in mcveigh's system.
He bailed on him because when Belichick solved the wizardry
of mcveigh's offense in the Super Bowl, Goff couldn't make
a play outside of structure. If you go to Nick
Saban's career at Alabama, the quarterbacks he lost to, and
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some of them I didn't even love Johnny Man Well,
were guys that could do things out of structure. Now,
you don't want that to be the foundation of the house.
But Patrick Mahomes is trailed by ten points in the
last two Super Bowls and he has won both not
because of structure, but because second half, fourth quarter limping
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he has to reel off one of those great plays.
I still think San Francisco and Philadelphia had better rosters
than Kansas City. Kansas City's structure allowed them to keep
it close, and eventually the great ones that hold the
trophies up have to make something happen. But you can
win a lot of games in this league being Dak
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and cousins. I'll give you an example, Alex Smith. There's
two traits in this league that will win you a
lot of games, smart and accurate. Brock Purty is clearly
both Cousins, Dak, Alex Smith have won a lot of
games because they're smart and accurate, but they're not hosting
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trophies because as you play deeper into the playoffs, you
face an Allen, a Lamar, a Stafford, a Burrow, a
ma Holmes. And that's my question contextualizing it about Purdy,
I think he's in the class of Dak and Cousins
and Alex Smith. And by the way, Alex Smith is
sixty nine thirty one and one when he had Harbon
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Andy Reid, but both Harbon Andy Reid at one point
said I'm gonna move off him. So Purdy has the Cousins, Dak,
Alex Smith traits, and those traits can win divisions, and
those traits can win a lot of games three out
of four, but they don't hold trophies. And eventually the
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standard with Shanahan and the Niners is going to be
tested because if Brock once again, when he's not being paid,
and you can stack the roster, which you can't do
once you pay him, then you to peel off three
or four stars. But if he can't win that big
game against a Stafford, he can't win that big game
against an emerging a Jordan Love or a Mahomes or
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an Alan Lamar Herbert with Harbaugh, then Shanahan will have
to make the same decision Andy Reid did with Alex
Smith or Harbaugh did with Alex. By the way, Dak cousins,
Alex exceptionally smart, coachable, accurate, trophies ask for something beyond that,
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and I think what Shanahan is pursuing is beyond that.
So there is not a criticism of Purdy, just trying
to put it and frame it so so you know,
I'm not anti brock guy.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I saw something. I was thinking about this the quarterbacks
and people. We all have different journeys. I mean, you
went to college. I went to college. I didn't go
to college with any rich people, right like, right like,
all of us kind of came middle class or below families.
I went to a small regional college. But it is
fascinating in college when you learn other people's journeys. Some
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kids come from great families, some broken families, some come
from you know, it's a mess, and it's very important
that we realize, you know, they always have the saying
be nice to people. You don't know what they've been
through in that day. That people have different journeys daily, weekly, monthly, annually,
in a lifetime. And I was thinking about this with
a certain quarterback, and I think he has the most
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fascinating journey in the NFL, and it's Matt Stafford. And
some of the details of his contract came out, and
I want to I want to talk about Matt Stafford
and his journey and how we could perceive him significantly
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different if he got to another Super Bowl. Don't be crazy.
He's got the coach, he's got the weapons. Just just
it's I'm gonna give you some perspective on Matt Stafford.
His journey to me is a fascinating one, and I
think it's it is aligned with a lot of people
watching or listening to my show today, and I want
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to talk about that next. He's got a lot more
in common with you, despite the fact that you listening
or watching are not an NFL quarterback and worth two
hundred million dollars.
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Welcome back. It is a Wednesday, Nick, right, about forty
five minutes from now. Good time of the year. Watch
some Olympics. It was nice. Now I'm back into football tomorrow.
Don't forget Bears. Texans. We're told Caleb Williams unfortunately will
not play. Gotta see a little Caleb Williams. Right, they're
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saying you won't play. I was thinking about Matt staff Efford.
They just readd his contract with the Rams, And it's
real easy to do what I do, or what j
Mac does, or people in this space to just say
the obvious stuff. And sometimes people like us will go
out there and make predictions, have theories, and they're wrong.
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But this is a thought exercise. What I'm going to
present to you is a thought exercise. May not be right,
but it's something interesting to think about. The premise is
you may think much differently legacy wise, of Matt Stafford
and Aaron Rodgers by the end of this season in February,
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so in high school, Matt Stafford was much better best
high school quarterback in the country. Aaron had to go
to a junior college. Stafford was better up to eighteen
years old. Stafford was also a much better college quarterback
Georgia than Aaron Rodgers. Now we're up to twenty two
years old. Stafford was also better until twenty five years
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old because he actually played in the NFL. Aaron rode
the bench, but Stafford had a bad ownership, bad gms,
multiple coaches, multiple coordinators, horrible defenses. In twelve years in Detroit,
Stafford had three different head coaches, four different coordinators, and
in twelve years one thousand yard rushers, averaged a below
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average offensive lines, two winning seasons in seven years. Hey,
he had Calvin Johnson. Yeah, great, one great receiver. In
his twelve years in Detroit, the Lions were the third
worst defense in the league. They got him one receiver,
everything else stunk. Similarly, Aaron in his thirteen yearish peak
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in Green Bay had an elite front office, excellent o lines.
I looked it up this morning. In those peak years
the number eight and oh, by the way, seven different seasons,
seven not one like Stafford. Seven, seven times more than
Stafford had at least one thousand yard rushers. They drafted better,
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they protected better. He had better coaches, both offensive and
we view Rogers up here in Stafford down there. But
let's go back to high school. Stafford much better, college
not necessarily close. First four years Stafford actually played when
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he wasn't hurt because of the bad surrounding cast. So
for those thirteen prime years, Aaron was the trust fund kid,
didn't have to worry about safety or was he going
to be fed tonight? And Stafford was scrapping for his
own meals. Divorce a mess, metaphorically, every day was an adventure,
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a roller coaster in peril. But now the roles have
been switched, and Stafford has the great coach, the capable GM,
the excellent owner who's not impulsive, the very good weapons,
and in three seasons, Matt Stafford has already won a
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super Bowl and has a better winning percentage four and
one in the playoffs than Aaron ever did. And it's
erin now, the impulsive week owner, the unproven coach, the
rickety rebuilt again offensive line. Let me ask you, in
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six months from today, if Stafford's in another NFC championship,
and this morning I have them as one of four
teams that could be. Health is obviously big, and Aaron
fizzles out again, we sure, Aaron's much better. That's why
(17:59):
I've always said I'm not impressed with trust fund kids.
It must be nice to wake up knowing the meals
will be perfect. You're driving a great car. You don't
have to worry about chaos at home. Don't feel like working,
you don't have to. There's a safety net. I'm much
more impressed with somebody that may make significantly less, but
(18:19):
professionally has cobbled together a redeemable life with a really
tough background. Stafford was better easily in high school, college
and as an early pro, but then he got a
really bad family. Now he's got a good one again.
(18:39):
Don't be surprised if he separates again from Aaron Rodgers.
Just a thought exercise. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
News no, no, no, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Pretty deep take there is that you talking are the
genius Gump.
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Okay, so just go for it? Should we give it up?
Six months ago I heard about something, and then I
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I heard about it again. This is the way I work.
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last several weeks I've been on this stuff, and I
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Oh boy, that's carry off. That's a good line, is
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sponsored by neurogum. Yeah, I like it. All right, Let's
get to the New York yess.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
They have preseason games against the Commanders, Panthers, and Giants.
What a heavy hitting lineup that is. I headed their
Monday Week one opener against the Niners.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Well.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Talking to a Orders yesterday, Robert Sala talked about his
preseason plan for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
We haven't really talked about it. My instinct right now
as I stand here is, uh.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
My instinct is no, but uh, but I want to
leave it open that that third game is the one
where where we're deciding. So he definitely won't play the
first two. But the discussion on the third one we
just haven't quite had yet.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm excited. I'm just really I think they're fascinating. Chicago
and the Jets are fascinating to me. Just want to
watch it, no judgment, let's go.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Maybe it's me, but does Sala look a little trimmed down?
Looks like he maybe lost some weight, some the stress
getting to him. Listen, it's been a stressful summer.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But they didn't know, if didn't know if Aaron would
come back from Egypt. Yeah, he's a little stressed down.
Every time he takes the podium. It's like, okay, hold
on your hats here.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You know, I I listen, man, I'll just say say less,
Robert Salo, that's it.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Just say less. That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Don't give the media is.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They want the chum in the water. They want it
out there and stir it up and sell news.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You've got New York's the last city in America. It's
the last city in America with like three to four
viable newspapers. You go to a Yankee game, the batting cage,
you're gonna have twenty people around there. You got the
daily News, you got the Post, you got the Times
you got. I'm sure New Jersey's got the Bergen Record. Yeah,
you know, I'm probably missing one of them. So Newsweek
or if that's still going on, so and whatever one
(21:29):
you work for news Day. So the point being is
there is more people fighting in coverage, and that's a
very good point by you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
In fact, three of the best New York athletes ever
were masters at it. Aaron Judge, Eli Manning and Derek
Jeter talked and never said. Joe Tory was great at that.
Joe Tory talked, they never said a thing. And Joe
Torri is a He's got a well a reservoir of
information in great stories. It's an art for me, it's
an art for Eli was the best. Jeter was amazing.
(22:00):
Aaron Judge is great. Just talk and don't say anything.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Aaron Rodgers, that's you know, he didn't. He hasn't been
around the New York media. This is only his second year, right,
and it seems like he's always saying something which is
kind of the opposite of what I want.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Anyways, let's move to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Things are to continue to just spiral downward for Dallas. Okay,
So Jerry Jones obviously said we're all in earlier this offseason.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Then they haven't done a damn thing.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, Dak Prescott is now calling out fans to their negativity.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Here we go, be fans or don't be fans.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
If you're a fan, you're gonna you're gonna turn the
page just as we do. You're gonna move forward understanding
that you've got better ahead of you. Sorry, obviously, but
nobody hurt. It hurt us more than it did them.
And uh obviously it's it's on us to get back
and to do better. But uh yeah, move on.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's how I used to talk to my old management
at the other place. You're into the show where you're not.
Don't nitpick good day's bad days into the show or
not that brutally honest. Oh absolutely, this place understands that
the management here is supportive even if you have a
bad day. But that's what Dak is basically saying, is
something he's confronting it. Let's you're with us or not.
This stuff is hard. It sucks when we lose. It
(23:16):
hurts us more than you. But you're with us or
or not.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I don't have a problem with that. At all. That's it. Listen.
That doesn't mean you can't be criticized. It doesn't mean
there can't be moments when you go to dak and
fans have a right to have opinions. But I think
sometimes it's really hard out there for pro athletes because
all this social media nonsense, and you know, you start
reading too much of that stuff, you'll start doubt itself.
(23:42):
Like I remember one time at Tampa. I was at
a steakhouse in Tampa with a friend, Kevin o' Kevin O'Donnell, Yeah,
and we saw Derek Jeter walk in and I forget this,
that could have been Flemings or something like that. He
walked in and Jeter had like nine guys around him,
and I had asked somebody about like Jeter and it
was spring training time, and somebody told me close to
(24:04):
Jeter or close to the Yankees, like Derek has his guys,
and Derek doesn't want a lot of negativity around him
because you start thinking too much when you're at the plate.
That's how slumps happen. And that Derek chose friends wisely,
and that positive people, uplifting people doesn't mean yes, men,
everybody's got somebody. Brady had his trainer, Brady had Edelman,
(24:26):
Brady's got if you're married, you don't have a yes person,
they're gonna call you out. But there is something to
be said about like like you have to kind of
compartmentalize it, like you're with us or you're not. This
journey's gonna be really hard. It's hard in the NFL.
Brady every year, the best quarterback ever would just have
an awful game. Mahomes will have these two games stretches
(24:48):
where mechanically he's off and then Andy Reid gets him
back into the fairway. So I don't have a problem
with what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So this Tampa lunch spot was that one of those
like steak buffet deals, no their dancers at lunch and no.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Mons venus, no, oh no, this was a reputable steakhouse.
I don't even think I was paying if I might
have been a freebie with Kemp.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
So just the final question on deck, I do wonder
he hasn't got the contract every other quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Up Pat He's gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I'm sure he will.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But if this continues to linger, does he start to
dig his heels in and start to.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Play the villain role because that's an option for him.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Hey, I'm not getting what I want.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I've been everything you've asked for and more in Dallas.
I've done more for this team in terms of playoff appearance.
Is that anyone else in the last twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
That's not him, That's not what he does, that's not.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
We're sure he's not gonna be like, you know, just
say what's on his mind.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Where sometimes you gotta bite your tongue. You know, we
do it here a lot, but we don't do it
here a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You don't do that.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We show you don't bite your tongue sometimes. Not really,
I don't bite my tongue.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Should I stop biting? On chewing that neuro gup vital
story is the Bears and the DJ Moore signing he
got yesterday. Their wide receiver got a four year, one
hundred and ten million dollars extension. He's really good largest enfranchise,
he's their best.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, that's the best receiver the Chicago Bears have had
in the history of the franchise. That's the best. No,
DJ Moore's better. DJ Moore is the best wide receiver
in the history of the Chicago Bears. I have no
problem saying.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't even know if I could name like seven receivers.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Al Sean Jefferson, Willy Gold. They've had a bunch of guys.
Brandon Marshall and his prime is very good. DJ Moore
is and DJ moorees put up big numbers, which with
below average quarterbacks can yeah, wait till DJ if Caleb
can play, watch DJ Moore. Here's a fantasy tip. You
(26:39):
may want to grab DJ Moore because who is Who's
Caleb going to rely on? DJ Moore and Keenan Allen
is veterans, not Roma Dunze, who could be good. He's
gonna go to those veteran guys understand how to beat
the zone, which everybody now plays in the NFL. DJ
Moore is worth and I know wide receivers can be
overpaid and then there's a bubble. DJ Moore's really good.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
We do a lot of top five, top ten listening.
I mean, he's really good. The numbers last year were incredible.
He was good at Carolina. Is he a top ten receiver?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I think he's probably closer to eight nine, But yeah,
I mean, think about the numbers he's putting up with
the quarterback he had and with a protection.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's like Garrett Wilson with the J.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, Garrett's Garrett's very very good. Garrett is great. Have
you have to be able to see something. It's easy
to say. Once a guy's putting up big numbers, he's great.
DJ Moore is a guy that now bears old line.
You can't double him now with Roma Dunze, they're tight ends.
You can't double DJ Moore as easily as.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You could the Washington game last year, he just went off.
I think he had a monster I remember because I
had him in fantasy now more Moore is very good. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Is that it?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Jmack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
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Speaker 1 (28:57):
Check for the game in your area. If you want
to know how great Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are,
I'll get to that in one second. And this is
something I've thought a lot about through the years, is
the difference between legend and really really really really good
Like pro bowler and legend. There's a big gap. There
(29:21):
is a huge gap between Aaron Donald, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor,
and every other great defensive linemaneuver. Like Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald,
Reggie White were not blockable by one person. I mean
the gap between Aaron Donald and even an excellent Fletcher
(29:42):
Cox the massive and so you tend to think in sports, well,
you know, I know that you know Kobe's better than
this guy. No, it's bigger than you think. And here's why.
Because teams game plan for the great players Jordan Byrd,
mad Lebron, Steph. The game plan they're the number one target,
(30:04):
trap them, double them, NFL rollover coverage, and they still
still get the numbers. They never get equal coverage or
are guarded in the NBA equally. People watch film game plan.
There were moments last year, pieces of tape when there
were three offensive linemen assigned to Aaron Donald, three and
(30:28):
all those guys were probably, you know, all conference in
their college conferences. Three guys on Aaron Donald. I think
it's one of the reasons he got he wanted to retire.
It just if he was getting single blocking assignments, he's
still stay in the league. But it was exhausting because
the rams outside of him. Once Von Miller left, he
didn't have a ton of support around him. So that's
(30:52):
that's how I feel about, Like Patrick Mahomes, So, the
NFL has come out with their top one hundred list
voted on by the players. The Jets have six players,
six players in the top ninety. The Dolphins have seven
players in the top ninety. Even the crappy New York
(31:13):
Giants have two. Denver's got two. Kansas City doesn't have
any none, no players in the top ninety. They are
absurdly top heavy as a franchise, which is a major
(31:33):
red flag for teams like Dallas. Basically, Mahomes has two
great teammates older Travis Kelcey and Chris Jones. That's how
great Mahomes is. The Jets have six, the Dolphins have seven.
Two has got seven guys in the top ninety. He
(31:54):
went and faced Mahomes, couldn't beat him. That's you know,
oh whoa, whoa, wha, He's got Travis, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
He's actually got some players. It feels very much like
the later years in New England for Brady when he
had Gronk Edelman. It's the fun gilmore like, that's the
(32:17):
difference between Brady and the other guys and Mahomes and
the other guys. It's crazy when you go look at
the top one hundred, how you have to again contextualize it.
A lot of these teams have four five and six
guys in the top eighty and ninety, but they don't
have the quarterback. That's why it's a quarterback coaches league.
(32:42):
So I was thinking about this. So the Commanders, there's
always been this sort of back and forth push and
pull do you start a rookie quarterback? So my take is, well,
just depends if you have the offensive line set like
the Dallas Cowboys did with Dak play him. He's going
to be protected. I tend to I tell my friends
(33:06):
this in the business in the NFL, like it's actually
a pretty simple business. Three things matter in the NFL.
Once you have the coach, and you know it's hard
to find the coach. But once you get the coach,
draft the right quarterback or acquire him, draft them or
acquire him. Number two, protect him, and number three draft
require players who get after their quarterback get years, protect years,
(33:30):
and get people who can fluster theirs. You do that right,
if you have a reasonable coach, you go in a
bunch of games. So in Washington, they are in no
rush to start Jayden Daniels. So here's their coach and
their GM on the process of their rookie quarterback.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
From LSU, we have an effective plan for him, and
Jaden's the type of guy that wants to go nail
it because you want to look down the line so much.
But he's doing outstanding and we're really pleased we're around.
But we're not changing the timelines or the guidelines and
how we're going to approach things.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
When they're ready.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
That the team knows, the coaches know. So you don't
want to fast track it, you don't want to slow
it down.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
You just want to let it happen naturally.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So there is this sense and belief that almost all
the great ones started day one. Here's a list of
people that didn't start year one. Joe Montana, Brett Fahr,
Brady Breeze, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers,
(34:38):
Golf Cousins, mahomes Lamar Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts. Yeah, I
don't think Philip Rivers started into maybe year three. So
for the record, you know who did start day one
and got the living you know what kicked out of
him because they had bad old lines. Andrew Luck who
had to retire early, and Cam Newton started day one
(35:03):
and basically was a shot fighter at thirty two because
he took a beating. Joe Burrow started day one, Kyler
Murray started day one, been injured throughout their career. Matt
Stafford's first two years in Detroit, he was always hurt.
So with Jaden Daniels, let me throw a number at you.
(35:25):
So the quarterbacks who don't start, some do, some don't,
but might. Let's go back to my theory, if you
got the right coach. You hope dan Quinn's the right coach.
He did get to a super Bowl. I think it
was a good hire. Once you get the coach right,
get your quarterback Jaden Daniels, and then protect him and
(35:47):
draft require people that can disrupt their quarterback. So number
two is protect your quarterback. Washington has three new starters
on the offensive line and PFF projects them as the
twenty seventh best O line. I have no problem him sitting.
(36:08):
And also quarterbacks like Jayden Daniels that rely on their legs.
Anthony Richardson last year, how did his season end? Watching
the games because he got hurt. So when you have
what you would consider an above average or a hyper
athletic quarterback who's just gonna naturally run, and then you
(36:29):
add in the element or component of poor protection with
somebody who's you know, I mean Anthony Richards and Jayden Daniels,
Caleb Williams, they're gonna take off. Like I've said before,
if you have a great singing voice, you're singing in
the car, you're singing in the shower. It's just what
you're gonna do. Like Jaden's gonna run. Jaden's gonna move
and he should, and Caleb's gonna do the same thing.
(36:51):
Michael Pennix won't bow Nicks, won't JJ McCarthy won't run much.
But you know, some of these guys are gonna run.
It's in them. They're good at it. You add that
to a bad offensive line. So I am not a
believer that you have to start a young quarterback. By
the way, Bryce Young started Game one for Carolina, he
(37:13):
was sacked sixty two times. Wouldn't it have been better,
by the way, if he didn't have to start last year,
somebody else could take the beating. Here's the other downside
to starting a quarterback early. So it's very different. First
of all, it's hard for anybody, you me, anybody when
(37:33):
you have a new job, like your first six months
on a new job, and now that nobody plays in
the preseason and you have limited padded practices because of
the CBA years ago, it's much harder to really know
what you have until you play the games. Much easier
ten years ago, much easier seven eight years ago. Everybody
played in the preseason at least one two to three drives.
(37:55):
Week three of the preseason was like kind of like
seventy percent a real game. You had some sense, live bullets,
what a guy can do. You don't have that anymore.
You just don't have that. So you really don't know
what you have until the games. So don't you think
it's a bit problematic that you're making really big judgments
(38:16):
and think about it outside of football on a new
employee with no support. I think you can overreact to
bad early performances. People mostly think Bryce Young is shot.
What if Bryce Young last year had Green Bay's receivers,
green Bay's coach, and Green Bay's offensive line, you think
you'd have a different opinion on Bryce Young. I don't
(38:37):
like Daniel Jones, but who the hell could be great
with that Giants old line? Outside of left tackle, it's
a mess. So the other problem was starting quarterbacks. Young
Joe Burrow not only got hurt multiple times because they
couldn't get the old line right, he was so gifted
that despite the bad old line play, you kind of
had a sense as this kid's reready special. They just
(38:59):
got to keep him up. But not everybody's going to
be as good as Joe Burrow, who may be on
any given Sunday outside of Mahomes, and including Mahomes, the
best quarterback in the league if he's upright. So I
think you can start because all these things are converging.
Nobody plays starters, especially veteran offensive linemen in the preseason,
fewer padded practices. You don't know what you have at
(39:21):
quarterback until there's real games. And sometimes even when you
get to real games with a young quarterback Jordan Love,
the difference between the first four starts and the next seven,
you got a different quarterback Jordan Love. In September, Matt Lafleur,
one of the nicest coaches in the league, would go
to the podium and he was he was pissed off
at what he saw. He was critical of Jordan Love.
(39:42):
And Matt's like the nice guy in the league of
all the coaches, and he was banging on Jordan Love.
Four weeks later, It's like, I have the best quarterback
in my division. I got one of the best quarterbacks
in the conference. So I think it's people can come
out and have these incredibly punitive opinions on young quarter
I mean, preseason used to matter, so I take vacation
(40:03):
time in preseason. Now nobody plays. We thought, can he
Pickett look good in preseason? I mean, it doesn't matter anymore.
So that's my take. Here's the Commander's schedule, by the way,
so let let's look at their schedule. So you know,
it's your typical NFL schedule at Tampa Giants. That seems
(40:28):
pretty workable in the first two games, but you start
looking at the quarterbacks He's gonna face and all of
a sudden, it's burrow in the Kyler into Sean into
Lamar and again this is kind of a common NFL schedule.
I don't have strong opinions about it really either way.
It's not super easy, it's not super tough, but it
gives you some perspective on Now. Now many of you say, hey, Colin,
(40:51):
he faces the Giants week two. I want him on
the field for that one. That's not a bad argument.
But I would tell you if I looked at the
Commander's schedule today and you had the Steelers defense, the
Eagles defense, and the Ravens defense in the first three weeks.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Be careful That Giants pass rush is good.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's the one thing they do.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But they got some pass rushers. Looking at the schedule,
that's not a playoff.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Team, Colin.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
They're probably gonna start one in three and then Brown's Ravens.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
My point is no rush. Agree our two next
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