August 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin is back from vacation discussing the struggles of Caleb Williams in training camp under new head coach Ben Johnson and why you can’t ignore the warning signs
The Detroit Lions have some reasons to be worried this season
The Washington Commanders need to somehow make WR Terry McLaurin happy
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, back in the fold and
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
We are live.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It is the Herd of wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. I got a little sun, the hair's
little long. I look a little shaggy today. That's okay,
that's just you know, you're out there. You're off there
golfing and having fun and playing with the dogs and
the surf.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
That's life.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I feel refreshed and ready to go. And Jmac, it's
it's I tune out when I'm on vacation.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think you do the same thing. We were talking.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We both kind of tune out, unplug hang out with family.
But you are seeing now a lot more videos come
up with camp and the story. At this time of
the year, every August is young quarterbacks, So I want
to talk about young quarterbacks and the videos that are
out there. So we're going to start with that jmack
one hour from now. Colin right, Colin wrong. Listen. All
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these videos matter. All of them matter, good, bad, and
the ugly. Caleb Williams had the most notable. He's thrown
at a net. He goes oh for three and the
last throw is so bad he misses the net completely
and then he gets kicked off. How do I know
this matters because they deleted it after a while because
it was getting so much play. There's also a story
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out there where JJ McCarthy's throwing red zone picks en
quote he's working on his touch because everything's a fastball,
which you'd hope guys get figured out, you know, at college.
So when a quarterback is unproven, like Caleb Williams or
like JJ McCarthy, camp matters more, not just for the player,
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for the staff. When you haven't shown your competency, when
you haven't shown your aptitude, a player's confidence. I mean,
you could see on that net video that was in
Caleb's head and the coaching staff. There's a story that
JJ McCarthy is struggling in the red zone with picks. Well,
Kevin O'Connell is watching that and thinking to himself, Okay,
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this is practice.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Can I call stuff during games on the road. He
can't hear.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean the advantage to having a Josh Allen or
Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes or a Joe Burrow. You
can use the whole playbook all over the field. All
over the field. You start throwing red zone picks in practice,
you're closing parts of the playbook. And for an offensive
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coach like a Kevin O'Connell or a Ben Johnson, if
they don't want to close any of the playbook. Story
this weekend where Joe Burrow actually saw the video of this,
So they got Noahfan a tight end from Denver. They
got noa Fan and Burrow first second practice with him
up and down the field in practice, of course it's
Joe Burrow. So that just tells Zach Taylor a couple
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of practices with Noahfan, we'll throw it to him at
any point anywhere, trailing leading red zone.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It doesn't matter. All this stuff matters.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What's a little nugget in one camp can be a
code read in another. And by the way, you can
tell when a coach isn't totally happy because they get
they get a little defensive. Like Kevin O'Connell at one
point in a press conference looked to the ceiling and went,
the sky is not falling.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
He had the quip ready.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Meanwhile, last year in camp, the effusive praise for Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
We said on the.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Air, We're like, I've never heard anything like this. It
mattered what dan quinn was seeing last year in camp.
He couldn't get his eyes off it, couldn't believe it.
So all this stuff matters. Look at it this way.
If you're an established quarterback, let's say you're Gordon Ramsey
and you build restaurants, it doesn't matter what the reviewer says.
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You've got twenty years of success and aptitude and competency.
Gordon Ramsey's new restaurant is not dependent on a review
from the local newspaper. Okay, you're a new chef, you
have new investors, they're not quite sure. They don't love
the feng shway of the restaurant. The food better be
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really damn good, and you better get a good write
up in the Chicago Tripper of the La Times. That
can ruin a young restaurant or a young chef. That
stuff matters, and that's how I look at quarterbacks. So
Caleb Williams, he struggled in college. We're starting to get
a drip drip drip with Caleb Williams. So he struggled
in college, and I said this, I loved him. A
little bit of hero ball could be a little moody
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accuracy two gms told me. Little worried about it. Think
they'll clean it up. Then he goes last year, Oh,
little hero ball, a lot of accuracy issues. Now we
go to OTA's in camp. Drip, drip, drip, more accuracy issues.
Now we've got video. So all of this stuff matters,
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and it matters more for young, unproven chefs, artists, quarterbacks.
It's not just your confidence, it's your staff's confidence with you.
You can be a cornerback. Can I put him on
an island against the boundary receiver? Hey, this kid's not
quite as twitchy as we thought. He doesn't play at
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corner with as much confidence. Okay, we better go zone,
we better roll over.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Help.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It does matter because the expectations with the first round
player in year two, Caleb at any position is okay.
Now he's got to be elite. I've said this, you
get about five starts. I want good, real fast. Here's Caleb.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I take pride in, you know, trying to retain it all,
every single detailer we have. And I think that's where
you know, I've been growing so far since Ben's been.
Here's I retained all the information, all of it makes
sense to me, and you know, been able to go
out there and execute.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay, So I also want to talk about we're going
to stay on this theme that everything matters a little.
So I know it's the Hall of Fame game. The
Chargers just barrel rolled the Detroit Lions. But when you
watch that game, it wasn't just that the Lions lost
everything something nothing's everything. They were sloppy five turnovers yet
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didn't create any And sloppy is coaching and scheme and communication,
and it's coordinating. And what did the Lions do. They
didn't just lose two coordinators. They lost the talk of
the league at offensive coordinator Ben Johnson of the Bears
and Aaron Glenn, who somehow got the Lions to a
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top ten total defense despite the fact it was with
band aids, bondo smoking mirrors, because everybody was hurt. So
they lost two great coordinators. And did they do a
league wide search to replace them. No. One guy on
staff elevated him. Another guy formerly on staff, they went
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and got him. They chose comfort, That's what they chose,
comfort over the top candidate. They talked themselves into, well,
this guy knows who we are. This guy understands who
we are. And that's why said to me, the Lions
never forget Philadelphia. And this is where Nick Sirianni and
Dan Campbell and the Eagles and the Lions are very
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similar here. So the Eagles and the Lions arguably best
two rosters in the NFC, and Sirianni and Campbell are
very coordinator dependent. They're not scheme guys like McVeigh or
Reid or Shanahan. They're They're not or Sean Payton. They're
not scheme guys. So Sirianni went from being in a
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Super Bowl hired the wrong coordinators next year. At the
end of the year, the Eagles roster lost six of
seven and it was at that point the first or
second best roster in the NFL. Now it's the best
along with Baltimore. So again with a Sean McVay. He
loses coordinators annually, doesn't matter. He's a scheme guy, Andy Reid,
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Sean Payton, run through coordinators doesn't matter. But a guy
like Mike Tomlin or a Pete Carroll, who are culture builders,
Guys like Nick Seriani or Dan Campbell culture builders. You
picked the wrong coordinator, you get in trouble. And I've
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told buddies this for years. John Stewart, David Letterman and
Bill Maher. We're stand up comedians. They're unbelievable, years and years,
decades on their feet in clubs. When they host a show,
they're not as dependent on great writing. They're better with it,
but they can add live their way to funny. Jimmy
Kimmel or Stephen Colbert didn't have long stand up careers.
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They got to their hosting spot in different ways. Very
very competent guys, but different ways. They're probably going to
be more dependent on a lead writer being really good.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's the same way I look at scheme coaches, Andy Reid,
Kyle Shanan, Is, Sean Payton, Sean McVay. It doesn't matter.
It just they can just run through coordinators. But a
lot of these guys are kind of CEO culture builders,
and not all culture builders are bad coaches. I mean,
Jimmy Johnson was his greatest strength was personnel and building
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a staff. There's nothing wrong with that, but you got
to get the coordinators right if you're a scheme guy.
So I'm just saying I don't question the lines GM
the roster, Panay Sue o, omar On, Saint Brown, a Nudginson.
But when I watched that opening act, eight penalties, five turnovers,
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they looked disorganized. Here's Dan Campbell on the loss first.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
One out of the gate. Uh, you know, we did
the story of the games. We turned it over five
times and uh, and then we didn't get any takeaways.
So that's that's hard, you know. Uh, just from that standpoint,
when you put your defense in that kind of position,
that's that's tough. And offensively, like we said, it's hard
to get in a rhythm when you turn the ball
over like that. We're excited to watch some of these
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guys see how they did. Grade the tape, learn from it,
grow from it. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, all grade the tape. Let's start with a D
minus and work our way from there. That was bad,
that looked out of sorts, discombobulated. So all this stuff,
all these videos. I looked at the Caleb video. Remember,
I think Caleb's great, but I also don't think he's
Andrew Luck. I don't think he's guaranteed. I there's some
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footwork stuff that's totally valid. There's some hero ball stuff
and moodiness. Those are very fair critiques. Andrew Luck didn't
have any of those issues. And by the way, either
did John Elway. Andrew Luck and John Elway in my
lifetime are the two can't missus. Peyton Manning, by the
way I watched them in college, nervous feet, didn't have
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a huge arm, didn't throw the prettiest ball, really intense.
The volunteers one to Natty after he left, right like,
So there were questions about Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Nobody questioned his robotic brain.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
He was ai pre ai like, he was doing stuff
at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Nobody else was.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But Caleb comes with some questions and they haven't been
answered yet. So it's okay to look at video. That
net video is something his reaction that was a anytime
people have concerned about you and you validate them. His
accuracy and moodiness, both on that tape, both on that
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it's a little too angry, throwing it a net like
it's a little over the top.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So it's just something j MC.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I hope you had a great vacation, Colin Wright, Colin
wrong In forty five minutes from now, you were with
a fam and an undisclosed location. The the other thing,
you know, I'm watching all this stuff, so I have
a take on this, the Micah part.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
There's two holdouts.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Right now in the NFL, the Micah Parsons thing in
Dallas and the Terry McLaurin issue in Washington. And I'm
just gonna say not all holdouts are the same. One
I'll totally defend and one I will not, And I'll
talk about that next.
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Speaker 3 (14:05):
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
So not all contract holdout to the same, and the
media tends to always take the player's side in this.
I get that with Terry McLaurin of Washington. I'm on
his side. I'm not on Micah Parsons. First of all,
I was on team trade MICHAEH. Parsons a year ago.
The Cowboys are a mile from the Philadelphia Eagles roster composition.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
They need four good players. I would have.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Gotten a couple of second round picks, maybe a first
and a fourth whatever. I like Micah, he's a good player,
but I'm not making him the highest paid defense event.
He's not Miles Garrett. He's not Aiden Hutchison, he's not
Max Crosby, he's not TJ Watt, he's not Nick Bosa.
I like him a lot, but I'm not making him
that highly coveted Ceedee Lamb is closer to the top
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of the receiving rankings in my opinion, than Micah Parson
is on the pass rush. And by the way, I'm
not even mentioning Jared Verge yet. This year, I think
he'll become number two in the league, maybe number three,
behind like a Bosa, a Watt and an Aiden Hodgson
or a Miles Garrett. So and they could also franchise
tag Michael Parsons for a couple of years. So I'll
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give you an example of the difference between the two holdouts.
So Micah Parsons was a first round pick and a
number twelve pick, and he's been a pro bowler. He
has played up to his draft position. The player picked
after him, Rashawn Slater, a first round pick, has been
a pro bowler. He has played up to his position,
and Micah does deserve a big contract.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Slater gowin, I'm.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Not denying that, but I think left tackle is harder
to find and much more valuable than edge rusher. There's
a I mean left tackle after quarterback. To me, is
the number two position by a long shot in the league.
Go look at the Niners in Kyle Shanahan when Trent
Williams doesn't play. Go look at the Chargers when Rashawn
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Slater doesn't play. There are no great backup left tackles.
There's all sorts of guys that can rush the passer.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The college gives you sixty year guys that can play,
and you get.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Him in mid rounds.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There are no great left tackles in the fifth round.
Historically the top thirty left tackles of all time, twenty
eight I think are first round picks, and so Micah has.
By the way, right now, MICA's contract going into this
year without a new without a new contract, would make
him the fifth highest edge rusher cap pit. That's a
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total approch, totally appropriate contract, totally appropriate. That's not Terry McLaurin.
Terry mcclaurin has been a dog in the playoffs. He's
been unbelievable in the regular season. He was the only
bright spot before Jaden Daniels got to town for about
three years. He's unbelievably productive, and he is a third
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round pick, so he has wildly outperformed as contract. He
is the most underrated and underpaid player in the league.
Mike has paid appropriately to this point in his career.
And then Washington goes out and signs Debo Samuel, who
I like. But you can't have Debo making significantly more
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than Terry McLaurin. Debo's older, Debo's been injured more. Debo's
just not as good as Terry McLaurin. And you go
look at Terry mclaurin's stats.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
This kid's great.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I mean Ohio State is not only the wide receiver
factory of college football.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Even their third round guys.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
In eighty two regular season he's got in his regular
season career. Just last year, eighty two catches, fourteen in
the postseason. He had three postseason touchdowns, which was tied for.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
The league lead. The kid is great everywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
In fact, the last five seasons, there's only four receivers
who have had one thousand plus receiving yards each of
those years, justin Jefferson. Ever, hear of him, Mike Evans,
devont Da Adams, Terry McLaurin, and he hadn't been paid yet,
so he has wildly, wildly outperformed this contract like omar
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On Saint Brown did this to a degree. You gotta
pay guys like that. You gotta pay guys like that.
That's that's I believe that with every position except quarterback. Quarterback,
just pay him if they're great. But guys like that
that you get in the third round, they're productive, they're
team guys. They don't they're a shining star on a
bad organization for most of his career. Pay him. Mike
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is a first rounder. Mike has made a lot of
money in advertisements because he's a Dallas cowboy. You put
him on the Jacksonville Jaguars of the Titans. He's not
making that money in endorsements. Nobody's listening to his podcast.
And I like Micah. He deserves to be paid, but
his feels a little ego centric. He has lived up
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to a first round pick slater, and he should be paid.
But I've said this, not all hold out to the same,
Not all contract negotiations are the same. McLaurin has completely
outplayed and outperformed his contract, not even close. Mike has
been excellent. Well, you don't pick guys twelve. We say
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this every year in my years of doing this talking
to executives. The first sixteen to seventeen players picked are
true first round talents, players that should be excellent first
day in camp. The Aiden Hutchison, Panay sewle Broughck Bowers,
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Micah Parsons. Now not all of them hit. Chase Young
was never as good as a rush end as I
thought he would be. But they'd establish themselves physically very quickly,
and he has.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
But he's been compensated for it.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, he got his slot, he got paid, and
he deserves to get paid by somebody.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
He's got a year left on the deal.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They can still you know, they can still two times
franchise tag him if they wanted to. And the other
thing is, and I always said this about d Wade.
I love d Wade, one of my favorite players ever.
But he did get no state tax, aqua water on
the East Coast in a winner league, the best GM
and Riley a top three coach, and Eric Spolstra a
top five owner, and Mickey Errison in a great franchise.
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He went and played for Chicago for like an hour.
He's like, get me out of here. I'm going back
to Miami. You do have to consider if you get
drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Dak has made probably one
hundred million endorsements, not making four if he's a member
of the Bengals. Right, like Joe Burrow. It was the
best quarterback arguably in the league. Last year Cincinnati's so
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poorly run. He was the only great quarterback that couldn't
make the playoffs, which is impossible in the NFL. If
you rank as the most efficient quarterback in the NFL,
fourteen of the thirty two teams make the playoff. So yeah,
Joe Burrow gets pissed off. Yes, he's perpetually, perpetually got
a chip on his shoulder. He should It'd be like
Mahome's not making the playoffs or Lamar not making the playoffs.
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I side with guys who I feel like Joe Burrow
does not have the support he deserves.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Terry McLaurin deserves money. Micah.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He's done well for himself. He made a lot of
money in Dallas. He's been treated like a rock star.
There are times he is a rock star. But in
the postseason, look at mclaurin's numbers. Look at Micah's four
playoff games, no sacks, maybe one sack, and hit the
quarterback four times one sack. Okay, that ain't Miles Garrett. Okay,
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so let's slow down. McLaurin is a third rounder. And
it's also, by the way, it's an offensive league. I'm
going to pay my quarterback, I'm gonna pay my left tackle,
I'm gonna pay my star weapon, Jamar Chase. It is
an offensive league. You gotta consider that everything counts. Jerry
Jones on the Mica situation.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I think the world of my company. Uh and uh,
that's just part of negotiation.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Really place that with any real seriousness. I wouldn't meeve
standing here with you if I didn't think we had
a potentially had a great future with Mike. Be a
waste of all of our time. So we're in good shape.
This is uh uh, this is negotiation. Uh and uh
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uh uh. But make no mistake about it. Life has
to go on to one thing. I would say to
our fan, don't lose any sleepover.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
All right, so that Jerry's probably gonna pay him, and
the roster will continue to get really top heavy. And
again it goes public and shouldn't have to. But I'm
just saying I'm team Terry. Like like that kid, you
got to pull up the Brinks truck, especially.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now you added Debo.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Older, banged up, hasn't been through the lean years in Washington.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
J Mack with the news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Well, my Dallas Blue here on a Monday. Colin, let's
start with Matt Stafford though, and the Rams not good
news for a team you think could be headed to
the super Bowl. Stafford is going to see a back specialist, Colin,
and he has not participated in camp yet. Things do
not look good for him playing at all in the preseason.
McVay says Stafford remains week to week, but they got
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to get a Week one game against the Houston Texans, who,
by the way, had one of the best pass rushers
in the league last year featuring Will Anderson. They were
fifth in sacks. This is a dangerous report about Stafford's back.
I know you really like the Rams, but if Stafford's
not even close to one hundred percent, They're not gonna
have any chance to compete in the.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't I've heard this three years in a row.
And here's here's the truth about Stafford. When quarterbacks get
to a certain I think you'd agree with this, they
don't want to get hit. Like Eli Manning, I'm gonna go,
I'm throwing it away, Aaron Rodgers, you don't want to
get hit anymore. Stafford is the last old quarterback that
sits in the pocket that extra half second and gets drilled.
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He has been a guy that's taken a lot of shots,
and so he's banged up. His od dometer isn't the
same as the old Tom Brady. Tom Brady had Dante's
garnekiyet Tom Brady had much better protection. Tom Brady had
much better coaching. Tom Brady at forty five was probably
in better shape than Matt Stafford is at thirty six,
thirty seven years old. So he played behind a lot
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of bad old lines. He's always been a guy that
just sits in that pocket. You and I've discussed this.
He will sit there to the last second, which a
lot of young quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks get to be thirty three,
they got no interest. They're gonna throw that ball away.
Matt doesn't. And so I think this is the reality.
Now the Rams have two first round picks. I have
it on pretty good intel they did that. Whether they
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play him or not. They want to go big game
hunting on quarterbacks this year. Two years ago they identified
this quarterback class in LA as the class that was.
They didn't like this class this past year at all.
So they're gonna go draft a quarterback even if he
doesn't play for a year. But I think you just
have to be honest about who Matt Stafford is. He
has taken more shots in that pocket as an older
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quarterback than almost all old quarterbacks are willing to do.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So he cowboys up man. He just sits there and
takes it.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Also hasn't taken a shot in seven months, and his
back is not good enough to go.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Colin.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
They also added DeVante Adams probably would be great if
they could get some chemistry here, and it doesn't seem
like they're gonna have any at all heading into the season.
That could put them behind the eight ball and the division.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Remember the Houston in Week one and then the.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
Eagles in Week three, Colin, If you fall two games
behind the Niners before Halloween, it's over. That Niner schedule
is cake. The Rams, you can't say the same. Look
at the back.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
They gotta go.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, they gotta.
Speaker 9 (26:01):
Face Detroit there late in the season. That Arizona team
is dangerous. I don't know, Trevor Lawrence A Lotos.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I see cam Ward and Anthony Richardson in the first month.
If they can win their home game against Houston, it's
a three to one start, facing a team the Niners
at home that they've been really good against the last
two years, They're fine. Listen.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
They also get a Jags.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Game, and a Saints game, and a Falcons a game
they got the NFC South those Raps four wins for that.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Team in case you're wondering, Jimmy Garoppolo, who we are
familiar with, obviously is the backup. I know you're a
big fantasy football guy. Would you even draft Stafford given
the age, the back, I mean, the weapons are there.
He could have a monster year. Maybe this is just Hey,
I'm old, I don't want to play in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
This is an interesting one.
Speaker 9 (26:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Colin.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
Let's move to the Denver Broncos, a team you love.
So we're gonna talk about him a lot this year.
Bo Nick's obviously looking to make a next step following
his great rookie season. Sean Payton, speaking to reporters last week,
said that the short term goal is winning the division.
This team is capable of winning the Super Bowl. I'm
seeing here the odds or plus twenty eight hundred for Denver,
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which is right down there with the Bucks, Vikings Chargers. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I think for all the doubters of Sean Payton, I
didn't think they'd be this good this fast. I thought
that Russell Wilson dead cap money. I thought that was
just a non starter.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They were going to be.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
This roster got good, you know, And the truth was,
the roster was probably a little better. Like we talked
about Courtland Sutton. Courtland Sutton's really good. He doesn't get
a lot of publicity. Courtland, I mean they had some
players here. When Sean got here, he did clean. The
offense should line up. But I don't know when when
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I watch Denver play Kansas City, when I watch him
play the Chargers in Division, I don't see a team
that lacks talent. I just think they're a team that
lacks experience at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I may they may be we may.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Be sleeping on them a little bit because I think
in our minds we're like, yeah, that this rebuild post
Russell Wilson. I think the roster is better than people think.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
I think a lot of folks are looking at the
bow nixt season and saying, oh, he's really good.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's ready to make the next step. A bit of
a checkdown, Charlie.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Last year, Payton played the game, Hey, let's not miss
make mistakes. If we don't turn the ball over, we
can ride this defense and win a bunch of sixteen
to thirteen type games. I don't know that that's gonna
work this year, given everybody's got the book on Bownicks.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
They've seen him.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
But what's your theory when when a pitcher goes through
the order twice the third time around, Hey.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That's tough.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
I just wonder is there a little pumpkin action here
from bo Knicks this year? Given everybody's very familiar. Hey,
this guy can scoot, but he doesn't want to throw
the ball deep down the field.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, I think there is something to be said. The
second time around, coordinators go to Lo Spags gets now
a third and a fourth Look at you.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I think that's true, but I will I will offer this.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Never forget how good Hufunga is at safety, who they
got from the Niner. Niners did not want to give
him up. Don't forget how good green Law is. Those
are Pro Bowl level players coming off injuries. Who Funga is,
in my opinion, when healthy is a top three safety
in the league. He's a great He is the last
(29:41):
great football player USC had in the last five years.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Caleb Williams got the hype. Who Funga was the.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Best football player when healthy that program has had since
he came into the league.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So he is.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He is a huge talent. People forgot about it. He
was a pro bowler when he he is healthy, he
is a home I'm not saying he's ed reader Ronnie Lott,
but he is a great elite player in the back end.
Speaker 9 (30:06):
All right, we'll wrap up with the Minnesota Vikings and
JJ McCarthy Colin. Remember he didn't play at all last
year following the season ending injury. In preseason. He's been
up and down in camp so far. According to reports.
The problem is he's working on his touch because almost
all of his throws, according to.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
This report, have been fastballs.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
Loves a good you know who I heard this about
Colin early in their career.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
Remember he didn't have touch at all, couldn't hit anything
in the flat, couldn't throw I mean he just boom
throwing all darts. And I'm hearing the same thing about McCarthy.
I don't read too much into this, but I know
you are a little skittish now on McCarthy, whereas we were
a little more.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Tink It's fair to say Josh Allen did not have
the college coaching JJ McCarthy did. JJ McCarthy had Jim Harball. Yep,
I mean, God, Jim Harball made Trey Lamplick pretty good
in that Hall of Fame game. So it's like Jim
Harbaugh is a very good quarterback coach.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It seems to me.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Josh Allen his dad had to send tapes out so
we could go to junior college get attracted. So Josh
Allen was such a raw project. I mean, everybody, it
was so funny. I was looking at Josh Allen video.
I don't even know where it was at. It may
have been at the other place they were showing video
his last year at Wyoming. I saw him play Iowa
(31:27):
Oregon in college. He made a lot of mistakes, but
Josh Allen was such a freak. He's made running left,
throwing at fifty yards across his body. But he was
a mouldable, unbelievable piece of clay. I would argue, Jane J.
McCarthy got three years of great coaching from Jim Harbaugh.
You're looking at what he is. It's a much closer
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version of what he can do.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Mel Kiper said he's a top I mean I remember
seeing this that mel said he is a top ten
all time cross quarterback, and he's lived up to that.
Like JJ McCarthy, I think certain guys come out of
college Michael Pennix. Is this because Michael Penick's got great
college coaching with Kaylin de boor what you saw with
Michael Penix in college is very close to what he's
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going to be. Like you've seen the way he throws
the ball, he sits the pocket. JJ McCarthy, I know
what he is. I watched him with Harball. Josh Allen
was you didn't know. Same with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's like he's running around. You didn't know what he was.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Now Lamar has become unbelievable. So I this idea that
JJ is going to go two or three levels up
on what he's been. I think, and I feel to
some degree, you're right. Bo Nicks had so many college
starts sixty one that Sean Payton's like, I know what
I'm getting. I'm gonna make him better, but I kind
of know what I'm getting. And bo Nix has looked
like you look in college athletic coachable moves.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Pff.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
By the way, as the Broncos roster at nine, which
is reasonable.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
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Since the moment it was announced, everyone's had August thirtieth circled.
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Speaker 1 (34:14):
So I tend to think the noisier you are in
the off season, it can be detrimental in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
So much of the.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
NFL is kind of covert we're on the same page
on to Cincinnati, and it's very, very effective. Now his
Kansas City had some off the field nonsense. They've had
the deal with, yes, and it's such a well run
organization they can overcome it. But Miami the Dolphins are
not a well run organization. And Tyreek Hill and Mike McDaniel,
(34:49):
it's just interesting to me who the media cover Covet's
favor to, Like, there are times that the media just decides,
we like that guy and we're going to defend that guy.
And I've argued that Mike McDaniel and Miami looks like
a sports writer. He's kind of snarky and quirky and
kind of and like they just decided we like that guy.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
And Nick Sirianni's kind of obnoxious.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He had a bad opening press conference, and I admit
I was like, this guy looks like he's over his skis.
But I've come full circle on Sirianni.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
It works.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Players like him. Matt Hasselbey yells at me, he's good.
McDaniel's been a funny guy because Miami is noisy. The
Tyreek Hill situation is anybody like do you think Belichick
would put up with that Belichick would have moved off
that guy. I mean, Annie Reid did move off that guy.
And yet Mike McDaniel, and this was always my thing.
(35:43):
Is he a culture builder? Yeah, he's smart. A lot
of smart people aren't great football coaches. So I feel
the Tyreek Hill situation a couple of days ago, it's like, hey,
you got to show up, you got to show up
every day, be on time.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
And then he wasn't on time. And he's never really punished.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And I just think the best coaches in this league
set a certain standard. But nobody calls Mike McDaniel out.
It's that he's got this incredible football actumen.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
The two years before he got there, and the media
did not like Brian Flores because Brian Flores is disagreeable, disagreeable,
he's rough, he's lousy at a press conference. He's an
unbelievable coach. I think he's the best defensive coordinator in
the league. Brian floor is of Minnesota. In fact, I
was reading the other day the Athletic ranked all the
coaching staffs in the NFL. They put in Minnesota number one.
(36:34):
I don't disagree. I think San Francisco is up there.
The rams are up there. But it's like I didn't
disagree with that. Like Flores is unbelievable, but he's not
somebody that's going to curry favor with the people who
cover him. He's rough on people, he's rough on players. McDaniel,
I think Flores is a better coach than Mike McDaniel. Okay,
(36:56):
eight games into his Miami stay, Brian Flohs had established
elite special teams and elite defense. I'm what are my
three four years into Mike McDaniel, what are they? I
looked it up this morning. The two years before he
got there, Miami was ten and six and nine and eight.
The last three years with Mike McDaniel, they're twenty eight,
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twenty three. They have a lower win percentage.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
But he's gotten such favorable press. There have been fourteen
different head coaches that have made the playoffs since he
arrived in Miami.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
He's not one of them. And so I always feel.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
This with Miami, so much of it is image instead
of actual structure.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What are the Dolphins? Do you like their line play?
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Now?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
They got rid of Wilkins, and I don't like their
offensive line do you like their drafting. It's very hit
and miss. They've overpaid for wide receivers. And I've been
saying this for years. They're the speedboat of the NFL.
They're the convertible of the NFL. Speedboats and convertibles are
not built to be driving around, even in Miami in January,
and that's when it matters in the NFL if you
(38:02):
start looking at the AFC. In my lifetime, it's been
controlled mostly by the Pittsburgh Steelers in bad weather, or Baltimore,
New England, Kansas City. Now Buffalo's great again. Baltimore is
great again? Can you play outside inclement weather? So Miami
is flash and fun and it looks like Gucci, but
(38:22):
closer inspection, it's sus And that's what I think Miami is.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I would move off Tyreek.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I think if they struggled this year, and I think
they will, what do you do with Mike McDaniel. I
just I've been sold on how smart and revolutionary this
offense is. They're twenty eight and twenty three, and that
should be the last couple of years. Two automatics over
the awful Patriots and two automatics over the awful Jets.
(38:54):
I mean, say what you want about Mike Tomlin when
he had Big Ben in his prime US two and
oh against the Bengals and oh against the Browns. He
may split with the Ravens, but he was beating the
teams he should beat. So Miami's not even beating the
teams they should beat. So I I here, here's Tyreek
hill On on missing some a stretching session with the team.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
I think whenever i'm I'm whenever guys you know are
able to see me come out here scratch with him.
You know, it's just keeps the engine rolling, you know
what I'm saying, with the whole team. So it is important.
The one day I did miss though, I was just
dropping the kids off to the pool. So I mean,
besides that, I'm out here every day though.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
All right, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
But I guess my point being is the media often
decides we like this candidate politically, well, why we we
like this candidate, we like this coach, we like why
and people people have made decisions. I was supposed to
not like you know, Brian flore I was supposed do
(40:01):
not like that guy. I know he's rough. That dude
can coach. That guy can coach. Remember that when he
got to Miami, they were using Ryan Fitzpatrick and beating people.
They got blown out by fifty by the Ravens early.
They were bad, and then like week eight nine, you're like, whoa.
They may have had the best special teams in the league.
The defense was unbelievable. I got three years now with
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Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I don't know what Miami is.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
They run a lot of sets, they got a lot
of motion, and don't tell me. Well, the quarterback Tua
is upper half. He's fifteen or up. He's somewhere in there.
He maybe fifteen, but he's fifteenth or up. He's a
very effective, accurate quarterback. He's an adult. He shows up.
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He's a good teammate, he's a good kid. Last year
he was healthier. So you can't blame the quarterback. It's
like Cincinnati's owners saying, we do everything right here. You
can't have Joe Burrow and not make the playoffs. Well,
if you're in a division in the last three years
with rebuilding Jets and rebuilding Patriots, in your five games
above five hundred.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
What are you? I don't know the answer. I'd even
take a bad answer. What are they.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I'd move off Tyreek Hill once again, he's late. There's
no punishment. Blah blah blah. All right, you know something,
j Mac. I tried not to mention the Jets, but
it's very interesting. There's an interesting story in The Athletic
by Mike de Fabo about what is happened.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
We had him on the show a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's really good about what he has seen so far
with the Steelers, and I swear to god, you could
have written this one year ago about the Jets, the
four things that happened in New York. The difference is
we look at the Jets as a tire fire and
we look at the Steelers as well run. But the
four issues they're having in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
So far, this is safe far they had in the Jets.
We'll get to that cause.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
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It is the Herd of wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. I got a little sun, the hair's
little long. I look a little shaggy today. That's okay,
that's just you know, you're out there. You're off there
golfing and having fun and playing with the dogs and
the surf.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
That's life.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I feel refreshed and ready to go. And Jmac, it's
it's I tune out when I'm on vacation.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think you do the same thing. We were talking.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We both kind of tune out, unplug hang out with family.
But you are seeing now a lot more videos come
up with camp and the story. At this time of
the year, every August is young quarterbacks, So I want
to talk about young quarterbacks and the videos that are
out there. So we're going to start with that jmack
one hour from now. Colin right, Colin wrong. Listen. All
(01:20):
these videos matter. All of them matter, good, bad, and
the ugly. Caleb Williams had the most notable. He's thrown
at a net. He goes oh for three and the
last throw is so bad he misses the net completely
and then he gets kicked off. How do I know
this matters because they deleted it after a while because
it was getting so much play. There's also a story
(01:43):
out there where JJ McCarthy's throwing red zone picks en
quote he's working on his touch because everything's a fastball,
which you'd hope guys get figured out, you know, at college.
So when a quarterback is unproven, like Caleb Williams or
like JJ McCarthy, camp matters more, not just for the player,
(02:05):
for the staff. When you haven't shown your competency, when
you haven't shown your aptitude, a player's confidence. I mean,
you could see on that net video that was in
Caleb's head and the coaching staff. There's a story that
JJ McCarthy is struggling in the red zone with picks. Well,
Kevin O'Connell is watching that and thinking to himself, Okay,
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this is practice.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Can I call stuff during games on the road. He
can't hear.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean the advantage to having a Josh Allen or
Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes or a Joe Burrow. You
can use the whole playbook all over the field. All
over the field. You start throwing red zone picks in practice,
you're closing parts of the playbook. And for an offensive
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coach like a Kevin O'Connell or a Ben Johnson, if
they don't want to close any of the playbook. Story
this weekend where Joe Burrow actually saw the video of this,
So they got Noahfan a tight end from Denver. They
got noa Fan and Burrow first second practice with him
up and down the field in practice, of course it's
Joe Burrow. So that just tells Zach Taylor a couple
(03:16):
of practices with Noahfan, we'll throw it to him at
any point anywhere, trailing leading red zone.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It doesn't matter. All this stuff matters.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What's a little nugget in one camp can be a
code read in another. And by the way, you can
tell when a coach isn't totally happy because they get
they get a little defensive. Like Kevin O'Connell at one
point in a press conference looked to the ceiling and went,
the sky is not falling.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
He had the quip ready.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Meanwhile, last year in camp, the effusive praise for Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
We said on the.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Air, We're like, I've never heard anything like this. It
mattered what dan quinn was seeing last year in camp.
He couldn't get his eyes off it, couldn't believe it.
So all this stuff matters. Look at it this way.
If you're an established quarterback, let's say you're Gordon Ramsey
and you build restaurants, it doesn't matter what the reviewer says.
(04:11):
You've got twenty years of success and aptitude and competency.
Gordon Ramsey's new restaurant is not dependent on a review
from the local newspaper. Okay, you're a new chef, you
have new investors, they're not quite sure. They don't love
the feng shway of the restaurant. The food better be
(04:32):
really damn good, and you better get a good write
up in the Chicago Tripper of the La Times. That
can ruin a young restaurant or a young chef. That
stuff matters, and that's how I look at quarterbacks. So
Caleb Williams, he struggled in college. We're starting to get
a drip drip drip with Caleb Williams. So he struggled
in college, and I said this, I loved him. A
little bit of hero ball could be a little moody
(04:55):
accuracy two gms told me. Little worried about it. Think
they'll clean it up. Then he goes last year, Oh,
little hero ball, a lot of accuracy issues. Now we
go to OTA's in camp. Drip, drip, drip, more accuracy issues.
Now we've got video. So all of this stuff matters,
(05:16):
and it matters more for young, unproven chefs, artists, quarterbacks.
It's not just your confidence, it's your staff's confidence with you.
You can be a cornerback. Can I put him on
an island against the boundary receiver? Hey, this kid's not
quite as twitchy as we thought. He doesn't play at
(05:37):
corner with as much confidence. Okay, we better go zone,
we better roll over.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Help.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It does matter because the expectations with the first round
player in year two, Caleb at any position is okay.
Now he's got to be elite. I've said this, you
get about five starts. I want good, real fast. Here's Caleb.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I take pride in, you know, trying to retain it all,
every single detailer we have. And I think that's where
you know, I've been growing so far since Ben's been.
Here's I retained all the information, all of it makes
sense to me, and you know, been able to go
out there and execute.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay, So I also want to talk about we're going
to stay on this theme that everything matters a little.
So I know it's the Hall of Fame game. The
Chargers just barrel rolled the Detroit Lions. But when you
watch that game, it wasn't just that the Lions lost
everything something nothing's everything. They were sloppy five turnovers yet
(06:42):
didn't create any And sloppy is coaching and scheme and communication,
and it's coordinating. And what did the Lions do. They
didn't just lose two coordinators. They lost the talk of
the league at offensive coordinator Ben Johnson of the Bears
and Aaron Glenn, who somehow got the Lions to a
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top ten total defense despite the fact it was with
band aids, bondo smoking mirrors, because everybody was hurt. So
they lost two great coordinators. And did they do a
league wide search to replace them. No. One guy on
staff elevated him. Another guy formerly on staff, they went
(07:25):
and got him. They chose comfort, That's what they chose,
comfort over the top candidate. They talked themselves into, well,
this guy knows who we are. This guy understands who
we are. And that's why said to me, the Lions
never forget Philadelphia. And this is where Nick Sirianni and
Dan Campbell and the Eagles and the Lions are very
(07:48):
similar here. So the Eagles and the Lions arguably best
two rosters in the NFC, and Sirianni and Campbell are
very coordinator dependent. They're not scheme guys like McVeigh or
Reid or Shanahan. They're They're not or Sean Payton. They're
not scheme guys. So Sirianni went from being in a
(08:11):
Super Bowl hired the wrong coordinators next year. At the
end of the year, the Eagles roster lost six of
seven and it was at that point the first or
second best roster in the NFL. Now it's the best
along with Baltimore. So again with a Sean McVay. He
loses coordinators annually, doesn't matter. He's a scheme guy, Andy Reid,
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Sean Payton, run through coordinators doesn't matter. But a guy
like Mike Tomlin or a Pete Carroll, who are culture builders,
Guys like Nick Seriani or Dan Campbell culture builders. You
picked the wrong coordinator, you get in trouble. And I've
(08:52):
told buddies this for years. John Stewart, David Letterman and
Bill Maher. We're stand up comedians. They're unbelievable, years and years,
decades on their feet in clubs. When they host a show,
they're not as dependent on great writing. They're better with it,
but they can add live their way to funny. Jimmy
Kimmel or Stephen Colbert didn't have long stand up careers.
(09:13):
They got to their hosting spot in different ways. Very
very competent guys, but different ways. They're probably going to
be more dependent on a lead writer being really good.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's the same way I look at scheme coaches, Andy Reid,
Kyle Shanan, Is, Sean Payton, Sean McVay. It doesn't matter.
It just they can just run through coordinators. But a
lot of these guys are kind of CEO culture builders,
and not all culture builders are bad coaches. I mean,
Jimmy Johnson was his greatest strength was personnel and building
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a staff. There's nothing wrong with that, but you got
to get the coordinators right if you're a scheme guy.
So I'm just saying I don't question the lines GM
the roster, Panay Sue o, omar On, Saint Brown, a Nudginson.
But when I watched that opening act, eight penalties, five turnovers,
(10:09):
they looked disorganized. Here's Dan Campbell on the loss first.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
One out of the gate. Uh, you know, we did
the story of the games. We turned it over five
times and uh, and then we didn't get any takeaways.
So that's that's hard, you know. Uh, just from that standpoint,
when you put your defense in that kind of position,
that's that's tough. And offensively, like we said, it's hard
to get in a rhythm when you turn the ball
over like that. We're excited to watch some of these
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guys see how they did. Grade the tape, learn from it,
grow from it. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, all grade the tape. Let's start with a D
minus and work our way from there. That was bad,
that looked out of sorts, discombobulated. So all this stuff,
all these videos. I looked at the Caleb video. Remember,
I think Caleb's great, but I also don't think he's
Andrew Luck. I don't think he's guaranteed. I there's some
(11:06):
footwork stuff that's totally valid. There's some hero ball stuff
and moodiness. Those are very fair critiques. Andrew Luck didn't
have any of those issues. And by the way, either
did John Elway. Andrew Luck and John Elway in my
lifetime are the two can't missus. Peyton Manning, by the
way I watched them in college, nervous feet, didn't have
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a huge arm, didn't throw the prettiest ball, really intense.
The volunteers one to Natty after he left, right like,
So there were questions about Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Nobody questioned his robotic brain.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
He was ai pre ai like, he was doing stuff
at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Nobody else was.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But Caleb comes with some questions and they haven't been
answered yet. So it's okay to look at video. That
net video is something his reaction that was a anytime
people have concerned about you and you validate them. His
accuracy and moodiness, both on that tape, both on that
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it's a little too angry, throwing it a net like
it's a little over the top.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
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Speaker 1 (12:14):
I hope you had a great vacation, Colin Wright, Colin
wrong In forty five minutes from now, you were with
a fam and an undisclosed location. The the other thing,
you know, I'm watching all this stuff, so I have
a take on this, the Micah part.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
There's two holdouts.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Right now in the NFL, the Micah Parsons thing in
Dallas and the Terry McLaurin issue in Washington. And I'm
just gonna say not all holdouts are the same. One
I'll totally defend and one I will not, And I'll
talk about that next.
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Speaker 3 (14:05):
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
So not all contract holdout to the same, and the
media tends to always take the player's side in this.
I get that with Terry McLaurin of Washington. I'm on
his side. I'm not on Micah Parsons. First of all,
I was on team trade MICHAEH. Parsons a year ago.
The Cowboys are a mile from the Philadelphia Eagles roster composition.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
They need four good players. I would have.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Gotten a couple of second round picks, maybe a first
and a fourth whatever. I like Micah, he's a good player,
but I'm not making him the highest paid defense event.
He's not Miles Garrett. He's not Aiden Hutchison, he's not
Max Crosby, he's not TJ Watt, he's not Nick Bosa.
I like him a lot, but I'm not making him
that highly coveted Ceedee Lamb is closer to the top
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of the receiving rankings in my opinion, than Micah Parson
is on the pass rush. And by the way, I'm
not even mentioning Jared Verge yet. This year, I think
he'll become number two in the league, maybe number three,
behind like a Bosa, a Watt and an Aiden Hodgson
or a Miles Garrett. So and they could also franchise
tag Michael Parsons for a couple of years. So I'll
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give you an example of the difference between the two holdouts.
So Micah Parsons was a first round pick and a
number twelve pick, and he's been a pro bowler. He
has played up to his draft position. The player picked
after him, Rashawn Slater, a first round pick, has been
a pro bowler. He has played up to his position,
and Micah does deserve a big contract.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Slater gowin, I'm.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Not denying that, but I think left tackle is harder
to find and much more valuable than edge rusher. There's
a I mean left tackle after quarterback. To me, is
the number two position by a long shot in the league.
Go look at the Niners in Kyle Shanahan when Trent
Williams doesn't play. Go look at the Chargers when Rashawn
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Slater doesn't play. There are no great backup left tackles.
There's all sorts of guys that can rush the passer.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The college gives you sixty year guys that can play,
and you get.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Him in mid rounds.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There are no great left tackles in the fifth round.
Historically the top thirty left tackles of all time, twenty
eight I think are first round picks, and so Micah has.
By the way, right now, MICA's contract going into this
year without a new without a new contract, would make
him the fifth highest edge rusher cap pit. That's a
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total approch, totally appropriate contract, totally appropriate. That's not Terry McLaurin.
Terry mcclaurin has been a dog in the playoffs. He's
been unbelievable in the regular season. He was the only
bright spot before Jaden Daniels got to town for about
three years. He's unbelievably productive, and he is a third
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round pick, so he has wildly outperformed as contract. He
is the most underrated and underpaid player in the league.
Mike has paid appropriately to this point in his career.
And then Washington goes out and signs Debo Samuel, who
I like. But you can't have Debo making significantly more
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than Terry McLaurin. Debo's older, Debo's been injured more. Debo's
just not as good as Terry McLaurin. And you go
look at Terry mclaurin's stats.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
This kid's great.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I mean Ohio State is not only the wide receiver
factory of college football.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Even their third round guys.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
In eighty two regular season he's got in his regular
season career. Just last year, eighty two catches, fourteen in
the postseason. He had three postseason touchdowns, which was tied for.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
The league lead. The kid is great everywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
In fact, the last five seasons, there's only four receivers
who have had one thousand plus receiving yards each of
those years, justin Jefferson. Ever, hear of him, Mike Evans,
devont Da Adams, Terry McLaurin, and he hadn't been paid yet,
so he has wildly, wildly outperformed this contract like omar
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On Saint Brown did this to a degree. You gotta
pay guys like that. You gotta pay guys like that.
That's that's I believe that with every position except quarterback. Quarterback,
just pay him if they're great. But guys like that
that you get in the third round, they're productive, they're
team guys. They don't they're a shining star on a
bad organization for most of his career. Pay him. Mike
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is a first rounder. Mike has made a lot of
money in advertisements because he's a Dallas cowboy. You put
him on the Jacksonville Jaguars of the Titans. He's not
making that money in endorsements. Nobody's listening to his podcast.
And I like Micah. He deserves to be paid, but
his feels a little ego centric. He has lived up
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to a first round pick slater, and he should be paid.
But I've said this, not all hold out to the same,
Not all contract negotiations are the same. McLaurin has completely
outplayed and outperformed his contract, not even close. Mike has
been excellent. Well, you don't pick guys twelve. We say
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this every year in my years of doing this talking
to executives. The first sixteen to seventeen players picked are
true first round talents, players that should be excellent first
day in camp. The Aiden Hutchison, Panay sewle Broughck Bowers,
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Micah Parsons. Now not all of them hit. Chase Young
was never as good as a rush end as I
thought he would be. But they'd establish themselves physically very quickly,
and he has.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
But he's been compensated for it.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, he got his slot, he got paid, and
he deserves to get paid by somebody.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
He's got a year left on the deal.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They can still you know, they can still two times
franchise tag him if they wanted to. And the other
thing is, and I always said this about d Wade.
I love d Wade, one of my favorite players ever.
But he did get no state tax, aqua water on
the East Coast in a winner league, the best GM
and Riley a top three coach, and Eric Spolstra a
top five owner, and Mickey Errison in a great franchise.
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He went and played for Chicago for like an hour.
He's like, get me out of here. I'm going back
to Miami. You do have to consider if you get
drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Dak has made probably one
hundred million endorsements, not making four if he's a member
of the Bengals. Right, like Joe Burrow. It was the
best quarterback arguably in the league. Last year Cincinnati's so
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poorly run. He was the only great quarterback that couldn't
make the playoffs, which is impossible in the NFL. If
you rank as the most efficient quarterback in the NFL,
fourteen of the thirty two teams make the playoff. So yeah,
Joe Burrow gets pissed off. Yes, he's perpetually, perpetually got
a chip on his shoulder. He should It'd be like
Mahome's not making the playoffs or Lamar not making the playoffs.
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I side with guys who I feel like Joe Burrow
does not have the support he deserves.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Terry McLaurin deserves money. Micah.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He's done well for himself. He made a lot of
money in Dallas. He's been treated like a rock star.
There are times he is a rock star. But in
the postseason, look at mclaurin's numbers. Look at Micah's four
playoff games, no sacks, maybe one sack, and hit the
quarterback four times one sack. Okay, that ain't Miles Garrett. Okay,
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so let's slow down. McLaurin is a third rounder. And
it's also, by the way, it's an offensive league. I'm
going to pay my quarterback, I'm gonna pay my left tackle,
I'm gonna pay my star weapon, Jamar Chase. It is
an offensive league. You gotta consider that everything counts. Jerry
Jones on the Mica situation.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I think the world of my company. Uh and uh,
that's just part of negotiation.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Really place that with any real seriousness. I wouldn't meeve
standing here with you if I didn't think we had
a potentially had a great future with Mike. Be a
waste of all of our time. So we're in good shape.
This is uh uh, this is negotiation. Uh and uh
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uh uh. But make no mistake about it. Life has
to go on to one thing. I would say to
our fan, don't lose any sleepover.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
All right, so that Jerry's probably gonna pay him, and
the roster will continue to get really top heavy. And
again it goes public and shouldn't have to. But I'm
just saying I'm team Terry. Like like that kid, you
got to pull up the Brinks truck, especially.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now you added Debo.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Older, banged up, hasn't been through the lean years in Washington.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
J Mack with the news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Well, my Dallas Blue here on a Monday. Colin, let's
start with Matt Stafford though, and the Rams not good
news for a team you think could be headed to
the super Bowl. Stafford is going to see a back specialist, Colin,
and he has not participated in camp yet. Things do
not look good for him playing at all in the preseason.
McVay says Stafford remains week to week, but they got
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to get a Week one game against the Houston Texans, who,
by the way, had one of the best pass rushers
in the league last year featuring Will Anderson. They were
fifth in sacks. This is a dangerous report about Stafford's back.
I know you really like the Rams, but if Stafford's
not even close to one hundred percent, They're not gonna
have any chance to compete in the.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't I've heard this three years in a row.
And here's here's the truth about Stafford. When quarterbacks get
to a certain I think you'd agree with this, they
don't want to get hit. Like Eli Manning, I'm gonna go,
I'm throwing it away, Aaron Rodgers, you don't want to
get hit anymore. Stafford is the last old quarterback that
sits in the pocket that extra half second and gets drilled.
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He has been a guy that's taken a lot of shots,
and so he's banged up. His od dometer isn't the
same as the old Tom Brady. Tom Brady had Dante's
garnekiyet Tom Brady had much better protection. Tom Brady had
much better coaching. Tom Brady at forty five was probably
in better shape than Matt Stafford is at thirty six,
thirty seven years old. So he played behind a lot
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of bad old lines. He's always been a guy that
just sits in that pocket. You and I've discussed this.
He will sit there to the last second, which a
lot of young quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks get to be thirty three,
they got no interest. They're gonna throw that ball away.
Matt doesn't. And so I think this is the reality.
Now the Rams have two first round picks. I have
it on pretty good intel they did that. Whether they
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play him or not. They want to go big game
hunting on quarterbacks this year. Two years ago they identified
this quarterback class in LA as the class that was.
They didn't like this class this past year at all.
So they're gonna go draft a quarterback even if he
doesn't play for a year. But I think you just
have to be honest about who Matt Stafford is. He
has taken more shots in that pocket as an older
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quarterback than almost all old quarterbacks are willing to do.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So he cowboys up man. He just sits there and
takes it.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Also hasn't taken a shot in seven months, and his
back is not good enough to go.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Colin.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
They also added DeVante Adams probably would be great if
they could get some chemistry here, and it doesn't seem
like they're gonna have any at all heading into the season.
That could put them behind the eight ball and the division.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Remember the Houston in Week one and then the.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
Eagles in Week three, Colin, If you fall two games
behind the Niners before Halloween, it's over. That Niner schedule
is cake. The Rams, you can't say the same. Look
at the back.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
They gotta go.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, they gotta.
Speaker 9 (26:01):
Face Detroit there late in the season. That Arizona team
is dangerous. I don't know, Trevor Lawrence A Lotos.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I see cam Ward and Anthony Richardson in the first month.
If they can win their home game against Houston, it's
a three to one start, facing a team the Niners
at home that they've been really good against the last
two years, They're fine. Listen.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
They also get a Jags.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Game, and a Saints game, and a Falcons a game
they got the NFC South those Raps four wins for that.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Team in case you're wondering, Jimmy Garoppolo, who we are
familiar with, obviously is the backup. I know you're a
big fantasy football guy. Would you even draft Stafford given
the age, the back, I mean, the weapons are there.
He could have a monster year. Maybe this is just Hey,
I'm old, I don't want to play in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
This is an interesting one.
Speaker 9 (26:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Colin.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
Let's move to the Denver Broncos, a team you love.
So we're gonna talk about him a lot this year.
Bo Nick's obviously looking to make a next step following
his great rookie season. Sean Payton, speaking to reporters last week,
said that the short term goal is winning the division.
This team is capable of winning the Super Bowl. I'm
seeing here the odds or plus twenty eight hundred for Denver,
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which is right down there with the Bucks, Vikings Chargers. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I think for all the doubters of Sean Payton, I
didn't think they'd be this good this fast. I thought
that Russell Wilson dead cap money. I thought that was
just a non starter.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They were going to be.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
This roster got good, you know, And the truth was,
the roster was probably a little better. Like we talked
about Courtland Sutton. Courtland Sutton's really good. He doesn't get
a lot of publicity. Courtland, I mean they had some
players here. When Sean got here, he did clean. The
offense should line up. But I don't know when when
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I watch Denver play Kansas City, when I watch him
play the Chargers in Division, I don't see a team
that lacks talent. I just think they're a team that
lacks experience at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I may they may be we may.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Be sleeping on them a little bit because I think
in our minds we're like, yeah, that this rebuild post
Russell Wilson. I think the roster is better than people think.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
I think a lot of folks are looking at the
bow nixt season and saying, oh, he's really good.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's ready to make the next step. A bit of
a checkdown, Charlie.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Last year, Payton played the game, Hey, let's not miss
make mistakes. If we don't turn the ball over, we
can ride this defense and win a bunch of sixteen
to thirteen type games. I don't know that that's gonna
work this year, given everybody's got the book on Bownicks.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
They've seen him.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
But what's your theory when when a pitcher goes through
the order twice the third time around, Hey.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That's tough.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
I just wonder is there a little pumpkin action here
from bo Knicks this year? Given everybody's very familiar. Hey,
this guy can scoot, but he doesn't want to throw
the ball deep down the field.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, I think there is something to be said. The
second time around, coordinators go to Lo Spags gets now
a third and a fourth Look at you.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I think that's true, but I will I will offer this.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Never forget how good Hufunga is at safety, who they
got from the Niner. Niners did not want to give
him up. Don't forget how good green Law is. Those
are Pro Bowl level players coming off injuries. Who Funga is,
in my opinion, when healthy is a top three safety
in the league. He's a great He is the last
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great football player USC had in the last five years.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Caleb Williams got the hype. Who Funga was the.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Best football player when healthy that program has had since
he came into the league.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So he is.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He is a huge talent. People forgot about it. He
was a pro bowler when he he is healthy, he
is a home I'm not saying he's ed reader Ronnie Lott,
but he is a great elite player in the back end.
Speaker 9 (30:06):
All right, we'll wrap up with the Minnesota Vikings and
JJ McCarthy Colin. Remember he didn't play at all last
year following the season ending injury. In preseason. He's been
up and down in camp so far. According to reports.
The problem is he's working on his touch because almost
all of his throws, according to.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
This report, have been fastballs.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
Loves a good you know who I heard this about
Colin early in their career.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
Remember he didn't have touch at all, couldn't hit anything
in the flat, couldn't throw I mean he just boom
throwing all darts. And I'm hearing the same thing about McCarthy.
I don't read too much into this, but I know
you are a little skittish now on McCarthy, whereas we were
a little more.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Tink It's fair to say Josh Allen did not have
the college coaching JJ McCarthy did. JJ McCarthy had Jim Harball. Yep,
I mean, God, Jim Harball made Trey Lamplick pretty good
in that Hall of Fame game. So it's like Jim
Harbaugh is a very good quarterback coach.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It seems to me.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Josh Allen his dad had to send tapes out so
we could go to junior college get attracted. So Josh
Allen was such a raw project. I mean, everybody, it
was so funny. I was looking at Josh Allen video.
I don't even know where it was at. It may
have been at the other place they were showing video
his last year at Wyoming. I saw him play Iowa
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Oregon in college. He made a lot of mistakes, but
Josh Allen was such a freak. He's made running left,
throwing at fifty yards across his body. But he was
a mouldable, unbelievable piece of clay. I would argue, Jane J.
McCarthy got three years of great coaching from Jim Harbaugh.
You're looking at what he is. It's a much closer
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version of what he can do.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Mel Kiper said he's a top I mean I remember
seeing this that mel said he is a top ten
all time cross quarterback, and he's lived up to that.
Like JJ McCarthy, I think certain guys come out of
college Michael Pennix. Is this because Michael Penick's got great
college coaching with Kaylin de boor what you saw with
Michael Penix in college is very close to what he's
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going to be. Like you've seen the way he throws
the ball, he sits the pocket. JJ McCarthy, I know
what he is. I watched him with Harball. Josh Allen
was you didn't know. Same with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's like he's running around. You didn't know what he was.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Now Lamar has become unbelievable. So I this idea that
JJ is going to go two or three levels up
on what he's been. I think, and I feel to
some degree, you're right. Bo Nicks had so many college
starts sixty one that Sean Payton's like, I know what
I'm getting. I'm gonna make him better, but I kind
of know what I'm getting. And bo Nix has looked
like you look in college athletic coachable moves.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Pff.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
By the way, as the Broncos roster at nine, which
is reasonable.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
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Speaker 1 (34:14):
So I tend to think the noisier you are in
the off season, it can be detrimental in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
So much of the.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
NFL is kind of covert we're on the same page
on to Cincinnati, and it's very, very effective. Now his
Kansas City had some off the field nonsense. They've had
the deal with, yes, and it's such a well run
organization they can overcome it. But Miami the Dolphins are
not a well run organization. And Tyreek Hill and Mike McDaniel,
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it's just interesting to me who the media cover Covet's
favor to, Like, there are times that the media just decides,
we like that guy and we're going to defend that guy.
And I've argued that Mike McDaniel and Miami looks like
a sports writer. He's kind of snarky and quirky and
kind of and like they just decided we like that guy.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
And Nick Sirianni's kind of obnoxious.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He had a bad opening press conference, and I admit
I was like, this guy looks like he's over his skis.
But I've come full circle on Sirianni.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
It works.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Players like him. Matt Hasselbey yells at me, he's good.
McDaniel's been a funny guy because Miami is noisy. The
Tyreek Hill situation is anybody like do you think Belichick
would put up with that Belichick would have moved off
that guy. I mean, Annie Reid did move off that guy.
And yet Mike McDaniel, and this was always my thing.
(35:43):
Is he a culture builder? Yeah, he's smart. A lot
of smart people aren't great football coaches. So I feel
the Tyreek Hill situation a couple of days ago, it's like, hey,
you got to show up, you got to show up
every day, be on time.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
And then he wasn't on time. And he's never really punished.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And I just think the best coaches in this league
set a certain standard. But nobody calls Mike McDaniel out.
It's that he's got this incredible football actumen.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
The two years before he got there, and the media
did not like Brian Flores because Brian Flores is disagreeable, disagreeable,
he's rough, he's lousy at a press conference. He's an
unbelievable coach. I think he's the best defensive coordinator in
the league. Brian floor is of Minnesota. In fact, I
was reading the other day the Athletic ranked all the
coaching staffs in the NFL. They put in Minnesota number one.
(36:34):
I don't disagree. I think San Francisco is up there.
The rams are up there. But it's like I didn't
disagree with that. Like Flores is unbelievable, but he's not
somebody that's going to curry favor with the people who
cover him. He's rough on people, he's rough on players. McDaniel,
I think Flores is a better coach than Mike McDaniel. Okay,
(36:56):
eight games into his Miami stay, Brian Flohs had established
elite special teams and elite defense. I'm what are my
three four years into Mike McDaniel, what are they? I
looked it up this morning. The two years before he
got there, Miami was ten and six and nine and eight.
The last three years with Mike McDaniel, they're twenty eight,
(37:17):
twenty three. They have a lower win percentage.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
But he's gotten such favorable press. There have been fourteen
different head coaches that have made the playoffs since he
arrived in Miami.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
He's not one of them. And so I always feel.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
This with Miami, so much of it is image instead
of actual structure.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What are the Dolphins? Do you like their line play?
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Now?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
They got rid of Wilkins, and I don't like their
offensive line do you like their drafting. It's very hit
and miss. They've overpaid for wide receivers. And I've been
saying this for years. They're the speedboat of the NFL.
They're the convertible of the NFL. Speedboats and convertibles are
not built to be driving around, even in Miami in January,
and that's when it matters in the NFL if you
(38:02):
start looking at the AFC. In my lifetime, it's been
controlled mostly by the Pittsburgh Steelers in bad weather, or Baltimore,
New England, Kansas City. Now Buffalo's great again. Baltimore is
great again? Can you play outside inclement weather? So Miami
is flash and fun and it looks like Gucci, but
(38:22):
closer inspection, it's sus And that's what I think Miami is.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I would move off Tyreek.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I think if they struggled this year, and I think
they will, what do you do with Mike McDaniel. I
just I've been sold on how smart and revolutionary this
offense is. They're twenty eight and twenty three, and that
should be the last couple of years. Two automatics over
the awful Patriots and two automatics over the awful Jets.
(38:54):
I mean, say what you want about Mike Tomlin when
he had Big Ben in his prime US two and
oh against the Bengals and oh against the Browns. He
may split with the Ravens, but he was beating the
teams he should beat. So Miami's not even beating the
teams they should beat. So I I here, here's Tyreek
hill On on missing some a stretching session with the team.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
I think whenever i'm I'm whenever guys you know are
able to see me come out here scratch with him.
You know, it's just keeps the engine rolling, you know
what I'm saying, with the whole team. So it is important.
The one day I did miss though, I was just
dropping the kids off to the pool. So I mean,
besides that, I'm out here every day though.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
All right, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
But I guess my point being is the media often
decides we like this candidate politically, well, why we we
like this candidate, we like this coach, we like why
and people people have made decisions. I was supposed to
not like you know, Brian flore I was supposed do
(40:01):
not like that guy. I know he's rough. That dude
can coach. That guy can coach. Remember that when he
got to Miami, they were using Ryan Fitzpatrick and beating people.
They got blown out by fifty by the Ravens early.
They were bad, and then like week eight nine, you're like, whoa.
They may have had the best special teams in the league.
The defense was unbelievable. I got three years now with
(40:23):
Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I don't know what Miami is.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
They run a lot of sets, they got a lot
of motion, and don't tell me. Well, the quarterback Tua
is upper half. He's fifteen or up. He's somewhere in there.
He maybe fifteen, but he's fifteenth or up. He's a
very effective, accurate quarterback. He's an adult. He shows up.
(40:46):
He's a good teammate, he's a good kid. Last year
he was healthier. So you can't blame the quarterback. It's
like Cincinnati's owners saying, we do everything right here. You
can't have Joe Burrow and not make the playoffs. Well,
if you're in a division in the last three years
with rebuilding Jets and rebuilding Patriots, in your five games
above five hundred.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
What are you? I don't know the answer. I'd even
take a bad answer. What are they.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I'd move off Tyreek Hill once again, he's late. There's
no punishment. Blah blah blah. All right, you know something,
j Mac. I tried not to mention the Jets, but
it's very interesting. There's an interesting story in The Athletic
by Mike de Fabo about what is happened.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
We had him on the show a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's really good about what he has seen so far
with the Steelers, and I swear to god, you could
have written this one year ago about the Jets, the
four things that happened in New York. The difference is
we look at the Jets as a tire fire and
we look at the Steelers as well run. But the
four issues they're having in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
So far, this is safe far they had in the Jets.
We'll get to that cause.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
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