July 24, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin discussed Caleb Williams struggling in training camp under new head coach Ben Johnson and why all the pressure is now on Williams entering his second season in the NFL
Thoughts on the drama between Tyreek Hill and the Miami Dolphins
Plus, he talks to Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian about their huge match up against Ohio State to kickoff the season and expectations for quarterback Arch Manning
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and there is
a ton to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Lincoln Riley, Steve Sarkegian, Mark Sanchez Al joining us on
a July show storms, humidity, heat rolling. It is the
football season's almost underway.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Jamax. Yesterday and little Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Let's just say the Bears practice went a little sideways
and Ben Johnson was not happy. It was a little
volcanic at the Bear's practice.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And you know I'm leading with that.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Of course you are, yeah, you are Team Chicago right now.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You love it so per multiple reports, I did see
some of the video. The Bears offense and Caleb Williams
were a disaster yesterday. At one point Ben Johnson barking
at him. He pulled the first team off the field.
It was a disaster for Caleb Williams yesterday and some
of his OTA issues resurfaced, not getting the play right,
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looking disorganized, not getting the footwork right. So two things
can be true. I think he's a huge talent, and
I also think his critics are valid. I mean, I
love Tom Cruise, but I think scientology's wacky. Love my wife,
don't agree with her on everything. Smoked a cigar last night. No,
(01:53):
it won't extend my life. Have politicians I like don't
agree with all their policies. Two things are true, Kayleb.
Williams is super talented, but you're now starting to see
last year OTAs in camp some of the same problems
not as correctable as many of us think. Can't get
the playwright what I talk about yesterday Belichick saying the
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best part of Brady he got the play right, no
pre snap penalties, he didn't hold on the ball too long.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And I gotta tell you we're.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Gonna know by early early October if this guy can play.
The coach is fine, the offensive line's been upgraded, the
weapons are good enough. I don't want to hear about
the Bears daunting schedule. Oh, second toughest in the league. Nonsense.
They're favored in for their first six games, for their
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first six games. It's a bunch of teams rebuilding. New Orleans, Washington, Vegas,
Dallas is rebuilding. Jerry Jones doesn't want to admit it,
but they're rebuilding. That early schedule and even the later schedule.
It's New York, it's Cleveland. There's a lot of rebuilding teams,
a lot of great defenses until you get to Baltimore
in late October, so you're gonna know Jayden Daniels coming
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in with a shaky o line, complete overhaul organizationally, and
one big time weapon Terry McLaurin. By early October, we
were all going with Jayden Daniels, WHOA. We thought he
was going to be Lamar Jackson ish. He's Lamar Jackson.
Now that's the new standard, and I'm not asking you
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to chop it up and be dominating. In September. Bow
Knicks with Sean Payton was bad in September, and Sean
Payton's as smart as they get. He had a touchdown,
four picks and a passer rating in the sixties. But
bow Nicks by October seven touchdowns, one pick, and a passerrating.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Of one oh three.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Jared goff Owen seven as a rookie got Sean McVay.
He went from Owen seven to his first September with
McVeigh passerrating at one eighteen. It just does doesn't take
that long. By the time you're a senior in high school,
you got ten thousand snaps, seven on seven camps, private coaching,
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the ability in high school and college for these top
quarterbacks that transfer, yeah, even in high school to better coaching,
better support systems. So we need major, major elevation, significant
improvement by late September early October. And that's not asking
for a lot. It's a new world. I used to
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be a believer give a quarterback until year three. I
am now Thanksgiving of year two and with when you
look at Ben Johnson, better than average, higher when you
look at the division and the early schedule. Not a
lot of great defenses. When you look at the O
lineup grades, they've spent money on weapons. This team's built
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to win right now that early schedule. The Bears, coming
off an awful season, are favored in four of the
first six games as of this morning, So I don't
want to hear it. Here's Cole Comit on the mess
yesterday and Ben Johnson pulling Caleb off the field.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
If you're not doing it right, he's gonna get you
out and he's not gonna just see that stuff continue.
So it's just a lesson to us that you know,
you got to be on the details. We got to
be on the details going into practice and in order
to get our reps in. You know, you can't be
result driven all the time, especially this time this time
the year, in training camp, you know, you really got
to be detailed driven. And Ben's all about the details
and you feel that in every meeting.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So we're gonna have Steve sarkejan On bottom of the hour,
Lincoln Riley, a lot of heat at USC on Lincoln
Riley stops buying Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So it's the big ten sec.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
All these coaches are talking right now and that's why
we've had a few of them on with that Ryan Day,
James Franklin. This is a good week for us to
get those guys on the stars of college.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Football, the big time coaches. So I'm all fired up.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I said this, there's heat on Sark sort of like
Ryan Day before he won the Natty last year.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Everybody knew Ryan Day could coach.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What does the guy like seventy and ten at Ohio State,
like he struggled with Hartbough at the end, but we
all knew Ryan da could coach. But he got into
a little heat when he lost at home to Michigan
is a twenty point favorite, and then he rolled on
to the title. It's same with Sark. Everybody knows he
can coach. He was College Football Coordinator of the Year
under Saban. NFL teams are interested. I think he could
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in a couple of years. If he wins a Natty
this year, I think he would be the top college
coach Canadate to coach in the NFL. I don't think
he will. I think he's going to stay at Texas.
It's one of the best jobs in all of football.
But the truth is Ohio State Texas is great, and
you know what it shows unpopular opinion. Rivalries are overrated. Ooh,
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Dallas and the New York Giants Bears Packers. Those are
one o'clock window games. In the NFL, the best rivalry
is Kansas City in Buffalo. It has no great historical context.
It's Mahomes against Josh Allen, right, That's why it's a
great rivalry. So the college football playoff created two dynamic
advantages that college football didn't have to have. Number One,
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December now playoff games sudden depth like March Madness instead
of Rando bowl games that nobody attended. You know, the
phrase is remember the Alamo, not remember the Alamo Bowl. Okay,
we got rid of a lot of bad bulls. The
second thing, early losses aren't as punitive, so you could
take big swings on your schedule. You can grow as
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a football team. I mean in high school and in
the pros, you're allowed to lose early and still win
a championship. Until now, you couldn't do it in college football.
So Ohio State Texas five years ago, if they would
have played, the loser would have to go undefeated the
rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
These are nineteen year old kids.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So in a memo to all you college football rivalry
guys that didn't want the playoff because you thought it
would ding rivalries, nobody cares outside of your fan base.
I mean, I think Iowa and Wisconsin played for a
spittoon or a cheese wheel or an axe or something.
Nobody cares. I'm in the Big ten building, nobody cares.
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I mean, I'm looking at the Texas Longhorn schedule right now.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh the Red rivalry, read the Red River rivalry.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I got news for you if you let me, If
you would fly me private to three games this year
for the Texas Longhorns. Number one would be the game
against Columbus Ohio State and Columbus, that's number one. Number
two would be the game at Georgia November, and then
I would figure out if Oklahoma was better than A
and M late November. Maybe their great rivalry is third.
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The highest rate of game last year for Texas was
the Georgia gate. It won the Oklahoma game. So college
football rivalries are like family traditions. If you're totally honest
with yourself, you're diluted a little bit by him, Like
Grandma's fruitcake it's mid and you know it, and Uncle
(08:58):
Hank's peanut riddles stinks. No, cap, just be honest, you know,
I mean, I know you've talked to yourself into thanksgivings.
Oh is the best, But then Earle gets drunk, goes
sideways and you regret it and you can't wait to
get in the car and drive home.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I don't want to hear about rivalry games. Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Texas is not only great because the teams are great,
the coaches are great, the traditions are great. It's great
because the loser can lose again. Ohio State lost at Oregon,
lost as a twenty point favorite, was allowed to make
the playoff and grow as a team, use that as
jet fuel, that ugly loss, the staff and the players,
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and win the National championship. That's how the NFL works.
That's how high school football can work. Why in college
do you get if you lose a huge game early,
you have to go undefeated. So I'm not into these
rivalry games that everybody talks about in college.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh the Iron Bowl? When's the last time it mattered?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Now? Michigan Ohio State remains fantastic. But the NFL is
a ratings powerhouse. What's their biggest rivalry? Honestly, it's Lamar
Jackson against Mahomes. It's Mahomes against Josh Allen. It's quarterback driven,
not regional or rivalry driven. A lot of these great rivalries,
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they're one o'clock window games. The biggest Fox rating this
year for college football game are going to be Texas
and Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's going to be the.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Big number not a rivalry game. Sark's on coming up
around the corner. It is a lot to add. I
will say this. It is a lot to ask arch
manning opening game at the Shoe against a top three
team in Ohio state with college football national championship momentum,
elite coaching staff, and oh, by the way, Longhorns are
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rebuilding the old line. So it is a big ask.
I can't wait, jymk we got a lot going on.
What do you make of Caleb Williams and these offensive
coaches like Ben Johnson?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I applaud him.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
He's what's concerning about Caleb Williams The stuff that you
saw with Eberflus, He's running backwards, can't get the playoff,
negative plays. We worried and saw a little bit of
that an OTAs Wright. It wasn't organized, couldn't quite get
the play in on time, and now we're seeing again,
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is this just something that doesn't get better?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
So his backstory is didn't he follow Lincoln Riley to USC?
Lincoln Riley it takes the USC job. It's like, oh yeah, Caleb,
come on down and he kind of got free reign
to do backyard football.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I'm curious if.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Lincoln is kind of on board with that because that
was his style at USC and it kind of worked
at times until it didn't. And now he's carrying those
same traits over into the NFL. And I don't think
and again I'm not going to overblow the Ben Johnson story,
but he clearly is not a fan of that backyard
football stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
He wants you to drop back, process and fire. And
if Caleb can't do.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That, Colin, well, they're not gonna They're not gonna be in.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A long lag of the great scheme coaches in the NFL,
Ben Johnson is considered a scheme coach. So Shanahan is
a scheme coach. He doesn't want you running around. Ty
Whs loves Brock Purty. Okay, who's another scheme coach? So
so Mike McDaniels Miami doesn't want you running around. He
wants you to run their play. Who's another great scheme coach.
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Sean Payton in Denver. He wants bow Knicks to run
his play under center, not shotgun. Now we've talked about
that Bo Nicks was shotgun last year. It was better
for bow Now Sean wants him under center. Another scheme coach,
is Ben Johnson run my play? Defensive head coaches Sean
mcdermot's like, you know, he's a great talent, let him
move him Ron the Great, And there's Andy Reid by
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the way, he's talked about it like he wants Mahomes
to run his play, but then he there is that
battle of you gotta let your guy do his thing.
But most of the elite scheme coaches, they scheme up plays.
That was always the knock that Aaron Rodgers, with both
McCarthy and Matt Lafleur, sometimes with both would kind of
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do his own thing. It got really frustrating the McCarthy
and privately, I think it got frustrating the Matt Lafleur.
So this idea of hero ball it works with some coaches,
but Ben Johnson is one of these guys that draws
up winning plays like Shanahan, run my play. Peyton's very
much like that. He got frustrated with Russell Wilson who
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would not run his play or couldn't see the second
or third option went on film. Peyton would say, yeah,
it's open here it is, So Ben's gonna get really frustrated. Clearly,
if you can't get that playoff and you can't get
that ball out.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And you know, the younger generation coming up with quarterbacks.
These guys are social media stars. Let me bo, that's
the big saying. Just let me do me, let me,
let me fire, let me be me. And I just
wonder if it's gonna be a radical transformation trying to
rein in Caleb Williams. I don't think it's gonna be easy, Colin.
It's gonna take more than a season, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
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sometimes alienate co workers. So Tua, who's an adult, who's
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a grown up, who's a really smart kid, has had
to deal sometimes it feels like he's had this sort
of babysit Tyreek Hill. And I felt Dak had to
do this with des Bryant. Is that Dak came into
the league very mature and very focused. And I feel
bad when these young quarterbacks, often they're great teammates, I
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think they have a you know, there's a certain burden
put on them by people who can't get it together.
And Tua was talking remember Tyreek Hill threatening he wanted
to leave the team, Remember he talked about that or
recently and Tua talked about their relationship and Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
It's still a work in progress, just for me, but
for everybody. But everyone knows what he can do on
the field. Everyone respects what he can do on a field.
But I think, you know, he's he's still trying to
figure things out for himself as well, kind of the
man he wants to be. And you know he's not
too young. Like everybody makes mistakes. It's just some people,
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you know. They they're in the spotlight, you know, and
and there their deals get get pushed out more than
than some others.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He's being diplomatic. It's time for Tyreek Hill to eventually
grow up again. The Cowboys had to move off des Bryant.
He couldn't Stefan Diggs, who I really like, Josh Allen's
like enough, Kyle Shanahan, Deebo see Steelers on a B.
I mean, the Chiefs won back to back Super Bowls.
The minute Tyreek Hill left, they went with the old
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slow tight end. Even the great Randy Moss Brady won
Super Bowls pre and post. I think sometimes I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, I love.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
AJ Brown, I think he's unbelievable for Philadelphia, but the
heart and soul of that team is Saquon Jalen Hurts
in that offensive line, and that's the way it should be.
I am not arguing about the value of great wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But the uglier the weather.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Gets in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City, how much is
a guy seventy five down yards down the field with
a quarterback who doesn't throw a lively deep ball and
wind how much value does it have? And my take is,
you know, great wide receivers are a little bit like
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those like Christmas tree toppers. It's the first thing you
look at and that they had value, but it doesn't
keep the tree up right, like you can't build around
it foundationally. In fact, I've argued this with football people.
I think a great tight end is more valuable than
a great receiver because tight ends block and help them
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run game and they don't get marginalized in December and
January with bad weather. They run shorter, easier to complete routes.
So that the two dynasties in the last twenty five
years in this league were led by Gronk and Travis
Kelcey and star quarterbacks wide receivers revolving door.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
In New England, wide.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Receivers Franklin Kansas City have been even more of a
revolving door.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
At least Edelman hung around for a while.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So star receivers they are great for headlines, I'm not
sure they're great for hardware. And I also I think
it's a burden that you lay on young Dak or
a young quarterback like Tua, that there's some hand holding
here going on. And I think my take, and I
said this last year, I'd move off Tyreek Hill. Somebody
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will bite. He's a very very good player. But you
do get to a point when how much is worth?
Think how good ab was Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin player is like,
we've had enough, George Pickens enough already. So DK metcalf
Seattle is like, listen, the penalties are stacking up. We
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got to move off it. And I'm not diminishing the
value of the person, but I am saying when Tua
has to come out and go to a podium and
you can see him dance around the very uncomfortable truth,
I think it's time to move on. In Miami, J mckle.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
News, No, No, this is the herdline news, all.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Right, Colin.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
About two hours ago, the New York Jets had a
huge scare. Justin Fields was carted off the practice field.
H and everybody's panicking as a leg injury. Well, we
now know that Aaron Glenn has said that someone accidentally
stepped on Fields and he suffered a dislocated non big
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toe injury. There are no specifics as to which toe
it is, how long he's going to be out, if
at all, but the Jets quarterback room Colin is minus.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Justin fields, we're looking at Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Adrian Martinez who briefly was like a big time college player,
but he never really became the story everybody thought he
would be.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And then someone someone named Brady Cook. I'm not familiar
with his work, but listen, it feels that to be
out a monthier is not great and.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I think we could start talking about arch manning in
the New Yorks yet not even getting you know, Drew
Aller could work. The big arm needs to cut through
those meadowlands. Wins at MetLife Stadium, but obviously not.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
A great start to the New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's shades of Aaron Rodgers four plays into his Jets tenure,
popping his achilles. Obviously, we hope Field returns quickly.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, this this division is starting to remind me a
lot of when Brady was in it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like Josh Allen now is just like.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You can just you can just put Buffalo Bills in
the playoffs home field, you know, game round one. Everybody
else has issues. Miami's got like cultural stuff they're battling.
The Jets have quarterback issues. I do think New England
will be a good, tough, strong wild card team, but
they're not there yet either.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You probably don't remember this, but as diehard Jets fans
remember several years ago they were like the worst team
in the league and then they faced the Rams out
here at so Far and they beat them and it
cost them. Trevor Lawrence, Okay, cost them. Trevor Lawrence has
the center for this guy nam what's his name, Oh,
Zach Wilson. Remember that the Jets should Field to be
out here. Cannot screw this up. Okay, we can't miss
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out on a potentially generational quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Well, we must tank correctly, and it's early for that.
But that's it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Fields is out for any period of time, right, all right,
Let's go to the next Roy Colin In.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Cleveland, Kenny Pickett took all the first team reps on
day one of Brown's camp.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
A Browns writer named Mary Kate Cabot predicted Pickett would
likely get the first crack with the first team, and
he was six and seven, no touchdowns, no picks. Now
here's The interesting part Colin, a gentleman by the name
of Mike Clay, does roster analysis at ESPN.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
And predicts cuts.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He is predicting Kenny Pickett is a roster cut of
the Cleveland Browns. So on one hand we have Pickett
getting all the first team reps, and the other is
a guy predicting Pickett will be cut.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Any early take on Kenny Pickett. We're not even in
August yet, but fire well.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean, if you drafted two quarterbacks, it seems to
me one of those guys is guaranteed to stay.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So Flacco is gonna start. This has always been our prediction.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And then I think they keep the two young rookies
because Kenny Pickett, you can move for a sixth round
draft pick or a seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Kenny, Somebody's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It could be you know, it could be any quarterbacks
gonna get hurt, either a starter or a backup gets hurt.
And Kenny Pickett's been around the league, so I think
Picket's easier to move.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Who's gonna who's gonna give you anything of value?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
For Dylan Gabriel, I mean, if the if the Browns
are willing to move off and that I'm telling you
that like chadur more than Dylan, and Chador went in
the fifth round, So can he picket to me? He's
a guy you can move and get something in return.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Final story con is Yep, it's the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah,
I know, but we're not talking Michael Parsons. Finally, we're
going to Cedee Lamb.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Colin Listen. He is really one of the top receivers
in the league. We know this.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
He talked about working with Dak and he's very excited
about the upcoming season.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
I feel like the league knows what happens when I'm
healthy and I have Dak for our whole season. But
if you don't, I will have it. I will happily
show you what it's going to be like this year. Honestly,
it's I'm a I'm a dominant receiver. I don't need
I don't like to speak highly of myself, but I
can't wait to show you guys.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He'll be good. He'll battle for a Pro Bowl. He's
very good.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The best player on the team, absolutely no question, best
player on the team.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
It's interesting because you're not a huge fan of the
self promotion.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Where are you on, I'm a dominant player. If you're dominant,
don't tell me. I know this will tell me.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They're show me young young men waving the flag a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I get it. I'm okay with it. I can live
with it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Jmck of the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. Well, there were
thirteen and three last year before losing to the Buckeyes.
One of the reasons I love the College Football Playoff
is that you can play big games early and even
if you lose thirty five thirty, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You can grow as a team.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You don't have to go undefeated the rest of the
way to play for the College Football National Championship. The
Buckeyes last year lost as a twenty point favorite home
after losing to Oregon and Nason, and they still made it.
That's why I love Texas and Ohio State plan my
buddy Sarks joining us coach of the Horns Texas Longhorns,
who I have playing in the National Championship this year
against Penn State. The two best teams I think are
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Penn State and you guys.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I want you to go back, Sark.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So your USC days, your Washington day's, the Alabama days
and now at Texas. This is a this is a
lot to chew on in week one road game Ohio State.
You guys, Pete Carroll and you guys, you played some
tough games early go back in your career. Is this
Is there anything that reminds you of this kind of
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game as an opener?
Speaker 11 (26:15):
As an opener, you No.
Speaker 12 (26:17):
The only one I could think of, Colin is when
we went to Auburn.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
I want to think.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
I want to say it was two and it was
Liner's first career star Reggie, Reggie Lindell were true freshmen
and we went into We went into Auburn and they
were they were pretty highly ranked team. But but I
don't know of anybody you know, going on the road
playing the defending national champions after having played them in
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the semi finals ended our season last year, and let
me turn around and open with them this year.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
It's gonna be hacking a game. But that's you just
touched on it.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
That's the beauty of this format now that that you
can afford to play these games, it's great for the fans,
it's great for college football. Everybody's talking about it, and
I was jokingly saying, you know, it's so different than
the NFL.
Speaker 11 (27:04):
Nobody's talking about Week one matchups in the NFL. Everybody's
talking about this game.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
And then the idea that I don't think either of
us get punished playing this game. Obviously, we all we
both need to play well throughout the entirety of the season.
But sure, it's what a spotlight it puts on both
programs and as well as college football.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, and also it's a litmus test. You'll know a
lot about your team that you couldn't You wouldn't know
if you played a lesser opponent. So here's what I
worry about. Four new offensive line starters. Now you've got
this is a position you have recruited very very well
in arch Manning. I bet just like Dad and Eli
and Archie is good at the line of scrimmage, You'll
get that ball away quickly. But it does to go
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on the road. Stark, you know this better than anybody.
The O line. You don't have a preseason. These are
nineteen twenty year old guys. That is a cohesion chemistry unit,
not just a talent unit. Are you concerned for new
starters on the road. The arts thing, that's fine, but
you don't you don't have an exhibition game to start.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That's a lot to ask, does.
Speaker 12 (28:05):
It, or you Well, I think that's why training camp
is going to be so important. And you know, the
beauty for the offensive line is they have to compete
against our defensive front every day, and I think we've
got one of the premier defensive fronts in the country.
They're very talented players, but also a really good scheme,
a difficult scheme. But to your point, them all playing
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together as one is going to be critical, and arch
does play a part in that. You know, we're fortunate
DJ Campbell's a returning starter. Cole Hudson rotated with DJ
played a bunch of football. Trevor Gooseby really at the
end of the season. He was playing against all sorts
of high, high caliber opponents from Georgia to Texas A
and M to Clemson, so he got a lot of
experience at tackle. But there'll be a couple of new
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faces in there, and I do think that's going to
be one of the keys for us in the ballgame
is is I don't want to say protecting them, but
putting them in really good positions so they can go
out and execute and play it plays a unit.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So Jeremiah Smith is on a short list of the
most talented college football players I've ever seen. Reggie Bush
I can remember seeing him as a sophomore and thinking, oh,
he could probably play in the NFL right now. Javon
Curse was kind of like that. When you play a
guy like Jeremiah Smith, do you bracket him? Do you
double him? Do you trust your corners? He is so
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physically strong that I it's one of those you contain him,
do you?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I mean, what?
Speaker 6 (29:29):
How?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
What is a game plan? Is there a perfect one?
Do you just mixed coverages?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know?
Speaker 12 (29:35):
It's interesting. I had a chance to coach Julio Jones
for two years. Uh in La reminds me a lot
of him. So big and physical, but yet fast, I
mean cover ground, so strong at the point of attack
when the balls in the air, you see that, you
see that, you know, just the ability to make contested catches.
And I do think at the end of the day,
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a that's where your attention needs to be. But hey,
they got really good coaches. He's going to be moving around.
He's not going to be lining up in one position
all the time. Ideally you've got multiple people with eyes
on him and guarding him.
Speaker 11 (30:12):
But you can't.
Speaker 12 (30:13):
You still have to play great team defense, and you've
got to have the ability to stop the run, and
you've got to cover the two other white House they have.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
We are two really good players too, So I do.
Speaker 12 (30:20):
Think a multitude of things that you can do well,
but you better know where number four is at all times.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So it's interesting when you get quarterbacks that I've always
kind of felt like ideally I was talking to an
NFLGM about this. He goes, I'm not really hiring coaches.
I'm hiring CEOs. A coach to be a CEO. I
don't want him on the headset constantly. Now at college
it feels a little bit different. But you are a
CEO at Texas. You have a great athletic director, but
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I mean nil transfer portal, building a staff players. So
how much I know, I know it's Arch's biggest start, yet,
how much freedom does he get at the line of
scrimmage in the open?
Speaker 12 (31:01):
Well, I mean there naturally there's going to be some
you know, and we're still formulating that game plan. That
thing is nowhere near set and Stone and uh, and
we're going against a really good defensive coordinator and Matt Patrician,
which I don't think people are talking a whole lot
about of here's a guy who's been an elite defensive
coordinator at the NFL level and worked under coach Belichick's
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been a head coach with the Detroit Lions, and so that.
Speaker 11 (31:25):
That poses its own challenges too.
Speaker 12 (31:27):
There's not a lot of tape, no no tape of
him coaching in college football, and so putting a plan
together that we feel good about also gives Arch a
little bit of freedom to to get us in and
out of some things that you know, as looks present
themselves in the game because there's so many unknowns. I
think is going to be critical and he's more than capable.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
Of doing that.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
You know, he's the guys you knows been been raised
watching tape with with Eli and Peyton and his dad
and his grandpa and everybody. So we're going to feel
good about that. And he's got great composure and he's
been in some ires with us already, so.
Speaker 11 (32:02):
We'll feel good about it. Do we want to major
in him have an audible on the road.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
That's a difficult thing to do, but we're going to
give him some opportunities to do those things, especially some
critical moments.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
So I you know, I was thinking about this. I
talked to urban Meyer about this.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Is that nil's tricky.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Lincoln Riley's done a lot, Brian Kelly's done a lot,
Dion Sanders has done a lot, and those I would
argue those three there's value to it, but it is
hard to create culture and chemistry when you're bringing in
a player and paying him three times what you're paying
a third year starter.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Like in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Everybody understands there's the salary cap and there's certain guys
that get it, and that's the quarterback in college. I
think the NIL, I'm for it, but there is a
danger in the transfer portal not screwing up chemistry.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Where do you land on?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I mean, have there been guys that you really like
but you're like, you all, what, man, I'm not going
to pay this receiver that and bring him into our room?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Like? Is that something you have to think a lot
about With the NIL?
Speaker 11 (33:09):
For sure, I think you hit the nail on the head.
It happened this offseason.
Speaker 12 (33:13):
We ended up not going on a player because I
didn't feel comfortable about what he would have had to
what it would have cost us to get him in
comparison to other players on that side of the ball.
And we love our culture and we've exhausted ourselves and
building the culture here at the University of Texas and
it's really good, and we're navigating the NIL space I
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think is good or better than anybody. I think there's
a lot of respect in our locker room. We believe
in production. This is a production based industry, right. How
you perform ultimately is how you get compensated. And so
I think our players understand that. And so when you
bring somebody in from the outside that all of the
sudden is making more than everybody else, I think that's
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when you can run into some problems. And so you've
got to make those decisions. Because we're a really good
football team. That's the beauty of our sport. I think
teams win championships, not not just a bunch of talented individuals.
Speaker 11 (34:08):
And we've got a really good team.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
And I'm very cautious to uh to do anything to
to to cause you know, any type of you know,
feud or disruption, to that what we have going right now.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Finally, what is arch Manning's best trait? Something that you
didn't even have to coach. It's just intuitive. There is
something he just did well the minute he got on campus.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Work ethic. His work ethic is incredible.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
Whether it's you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook,
working at his craft.
Speaker 11 (34:43):
You know, in the weight room like that.
Speaker 12 (34:45):
That that that is, whether it's innate in him or
uh it was you know, handed down from his uncles, whatever,
whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible.
And and that lends itself to the teammate that he
is too. And again that's not to take away the
arm talent, the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I
think all those things are a byproduct of how hard
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he works at his craft and how hard he works
at being a great teammate. Those things I've never had
to coach him on it. He walked in the door,
was a great teammate and has worked his tail off
from day one.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
You know, you're a coach. You could do TV. You
did a little TV, but in the end, you're a coach.
You just love coaching. You're an exs and O's guy,
one of the smarter guys I've ever met that does that.
And I watched Nick Saban on TV, and I think
he's such a coach. Nick, such a coach. I don't
think he's coming back to college. Let me ask you
if somebody in the NFL called him, maybe the team
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that got Arch Manning or got a great quarterback, do
you think Nick Saban would take the call? You know him,
you know him well.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you yesterday,
you already have in Cleveland.
Speaker 12 (35:53):
He's coaching Arch. I only have Arch for one year,
thought I was going to have him for two.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
You know, Hey, he is a great coach and I
love my time, uh working for Nick. I mean, he
really is a fantastic coach. I think he feels really
comfortable to me. You know, he's really good on TV.
I think he enjoys what he gets to do. He's
playing a ton of golf, which which which he loves doing.
I'm sure. I'm sure you know Miss Terry loves having
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him at home. So I don't know, you know that
that's obviously a personal thing. As he grows. I know
he's one of, if not the most competitive person I've
ever been around, so sure of those competitive juices get
flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like he's having
a lot of fun doing television. He looks relaxed, and
he's great for our sport. You know, I know people
are love tuning into it to hear his insight on
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all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, you know, it was just speculation on my part.
I you know, that's what I do. Steve great seeing.
Speaker 11 (36:55):
You you too, man, you too?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
All right, one of my favorite guys, Sark, who's at
just a fascinating journey. I mean, I'm telling you right
Texas Ohio State. I mean, I am parked. Pregame game,
postgame on Fox.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That is going to be.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's as good an opening game as we've ever had
on that Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
That's as good as it gets.
Speaker 12 (37:17):
It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
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Speaker 3 (37:28):
Lincoln Riley next hour. I want to thank Sart for
stopping by.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So the Cincinnati Bengals have announced this week they're going
to play Joe Burrow more on the preseason than they
have in previous years, they have traditionally started slowly. A
lot of that is that Burrow's not healthy and it
takes offensive lines and quarterbacks and timing a while to
get going. But we were talking about this as a
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staff this morning. Is I think I worry that Joe
Burrow could become and it's not that crazy could become
Matt Stafford in trod where unbelievable college talent, you know,
goes top of the draft, highly productive, has a little
taste of winning early, but just underwhelming ownership with a
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really good organization in his division like Baltimore or for
Stafford Green Bay, and you just don't you just don't flourish.
And I said last week, if I was a top
NFL head coaching candidate, if I was, the top priority
is who's the quarterback? That's why Harball went to the Chargers.
But number two is who's the owner? And there are
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I've said this, Kirk Cousins with very strong ownership, beat
Matt Stafford a lot in that division. Okay, and it
wasn't talent, So I think I would probably take Now
j Max is going to be shocked at this, But
if you gave me a good quarterback, brock Purty an
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excellent ownership with Jed Yorke. I think that job is
more attractive than Joe Burrow and Cincinnati. That's why keep
defending Zach Taylor. They don't have a designated general manager,
they have among the smallest scouting departments in the league.
They don't spend in free agency. I mean, how what
they did with Jesse Bates the safety's a great example.
He was a pro bowler. They won't pay him. He
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goes to Atlanta. He's a pro bowler to get paid.
So I think Zach Taylor's always fighting an uphill battle,
and I think Joe Burrow's getting tired of it.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Last year more than once he was. I mean, it's
not being moody. He was upset. He sees it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
He was easily the best quarterback in the league that
didn't make the playoffs. And he recently talked about the
multiple holdouts going on right now with the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (39:52):
Yeah, obviously disappointing. You know, you'd like to have all
your guys out there day one to try to to
build that cohesion that I was talking about earlier, But
that's it's not how it usually works out, you know,
it's a business, and.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
That is how's gone.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, that isn't the way it works out in most teams.
This stuff is private, right, so you know this is
it sounds crazy, like everybody knows that Harball went to
the Chargers because of Herbert, But he got guarantees from
the Spanos family on the money allotted to him and
his staff, and they wanted new facilities for free agents,
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right like, so there was a lot of things going
on here. He Harball looked at the facilities. Harball looked
at the guarantees salary with the coaching staff, most of
it was Herbert, but with Joe Burrow. Now you look
and much like Matt Stafford. Well you had the very
very well run Packers in the division, and you had
the really really well run Vikings who are always capable
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in the vision. And so Harball looked at that and
he thought, well, you got to really really well run
Kansas City chiefs in the division. I got to make
sure I got more than just Herbert. I need guarantees
of the coaching staff. I need those new facilities. And
La is attracted for free agents too. So it's a
tough spot. I mean, I've said this, if you don't
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think ownership matters. Carson Palmer had to deal with the
Bengals ownership, the Raiders ownership in Arizona. He got one
gift in his career. He got Bruce Arians for three years,
and the bid Wells weren't great owners, but they mostly
stayed out of the way, and he went twenty nine
and nine with seventy touchdowns and it was a running league.
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Carson Palmer's the best quarterback that never He had three
different teams, he never had great ownership. He briefly got
a great coach for him, and he tore the league up.
Like so, I know, quarterbacks the most important ownership. Second,
and I've said this, as owners of the NFL are
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now all billionaires. They've gotten increasingly impulsive, and the one
exception is Cincinnati, where they're not impulsive, but they've remained cheap.
So you're letting really good players go. Lots of distractions.
I will defend Zach Taylor to the ends of the
earth on this thing. He's got a lot to deal with.
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They do not have an official designated general manager. They
have an incredibly small scouting department. Go look at the
Eagles drafts. There's a reason. They've got a massive scouting
department in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Massive. So I worry about this.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I worry about it with Joe Burrow, and that's why
I think Cincinnati's there's a couple teams in the NFL
that it's hard for me to predict. Like I like
Zach Taylor, and I love Joe Burrow, and I love
Jamar Chase. I mean Jamar Chase won the Triple Crown
last year. Joe Burrow was amazing. They didn't make the playoffs. Okay,
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so it's like, why would that be. You've got a
confident offensive coach. Burrell was arguably the best quarterback in
the league, he had the best wide receiver, and he
didn't make the playoffs. It's upstairs, our two next
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and there is
a ton to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Lincoln Riley, Steve Sarkegian, Mark Sanchez Al joining us on
a July show storms, humidity, heat rolling. It is the
football season's almost underway.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Jamax. Yesterday and little Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Let's just say the Bears practice went a little sideways
and Ben Johnson was not happy. It was a little
volcanic at the Bear's practice.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And you know I'm leading with that.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Of course you are, yeah, you are Team Chicago right now.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You love it so per multiple reports, I did see
some of the video. The Bears offense and Caleb Williams
were a disaster yesterday. At one point Ben Johnson barking
at him. He pulled the first team off the field.
It was a disaster for Caleb Williams yesterday and some
of his OTA issues resurfaced, not getting the play right,
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looking disorganized, not getting the footwork right. So two things
can be true. I think he's a huge talent, and
I also think his critics are valid. I mean, I
love Tom Cruise, but I think scientology's wacky. Love my wife,
don't agree with her on everything. Smoked a cigar last night. No,
(01:53):
it won't extend my life. Have politicians I like don't
agree with all their policies. Two things are true, Kayleb.
Williams is super talented, but you're now starting to see
last year OTAs in camp some of the same problems
not as correctable as many of us think. Can't get
the playwright what I talk about yesterday Belichick saying the
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best part of Brady he got the play right, no
pre snap penalties, he didn't hold on the ball too long.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And I gotta tell you we're.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Gonna know by early early October if this guy can play.
The coach is fine, the offensive line's been upgraded, the
weapons are good enough. I don't want to hear about
the Bears daunting schedule. Oh, second toughest in the league. Nonsense.
They're favored in for their first six games, for their
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first six games. It's a bunch of teams rebuilding. New Orleans, Washington, Vegas,
Dallas is rebuilding. Jerry Jones doesn't want to admit it,
but they're rebuilding. That early schedule and even the later schedule.
It's New York, it's Cleveland. There's a lot of rebuilding teams,
a lot of great defenses until you get to Baltimore
in late October, so you're gonna know Jayden Daniels coming
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in with a shaky o line, complete overhaul organizationally, and
one big time weapon Terry McLaurin. By early October, we
were all going with Jayden Daniels, WHOA. We thought he
was going to be Lamar Jackson ish. He's Lamar Jackson.
Now that's the new standard, and I'm not asking you
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to chop it up and be dominating. In September. Bow
Knicks with Sean Payton was bad in September, and Sean
Payton's as smart as they get. He had a touchdown,
four picks and a passer rating in the sixties. But
bow Nicks by October seven touchdowns, one pick, and a passerrating.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Of one oh three.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Jared goff Owen seven as a rookie got Sean McVay.
He went from Owen seven to his first September with
McVeigh passerrating at one eighteen. It just does doesn't take
that long. By the time you're a senior in high school,
you got ten thousand snaps, seven on seven camps, private coaching,
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the ability in high school and college for these top
quarterbacks that transfer, yeah, even in high school to better coaching,
better support systems. So we need major, major elevation, significant
improvement by late September early October. And that's not asking
for a lot. It's a new world. I used to
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be a believer give a quarterback until year three. I
am now Thanksgiving of year two and with when you
look at Ben Johnson, better than average, higher when you
look at the division and the early schedule. Not a
lot of great defenses. When you look at the O
lineup grades, they've spent money on weapons. This team's built
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to win right now that early schedule. The Bears, coming
off an awful season, are favored in four of the
first six games as of this morning, So I don't
want to hear it. Here's Cole Comit on the mess
yesterday and Ben Johnson pulling Caleb off the field.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
If you're not doing it right, he's gonna get you
out and he's not gonna just see that stuff continue.
So it's just a lesson to us that you know,
you got to be on the details. We got to
be on the details going into practice and in order
to get our reps in. You know, you can't be
result driven all the time, especially this time this time
the year, in training camp, you know, you really got
to be detailed driven. And Ben's all about the details
and you feel that in every meeting.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So we're gonna have Steve sarkejan On bottom of the hour,
Lincoln Riley, a lot of heat at USC on Lincoln
Riley stops buying Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So it's the big ten sec.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
All these coaches are talking right now and that's why
we've had a few of them on with that Ryan Day,
James Franklin. This is a good week for us to
get those guys on the stars of college.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Football, the big time coaches. So I'm all fired up.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I said this, there's heat on Sark sort of like
Ryan Day before he won the Natty last year.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Everybody knew Ryan Day could coach.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What does the guy like seventy and ten at Ohio State,
like he struggled with Hartbough at the end, but we
all knew Ryan da could coach. But he got into
a little heat when he lost at home to Michigan
is a twenty point favorite, and then he rolled on
to the title. It's same with Sark. Everybody knows he
can coach. He was College Football Coordinator of the Year
under Saban. NFL teams are interested. I think he could
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in a couple of years. If he wins a Natty
this year, I think he would be the top college
coach Canadate to coach in the NFL. I don't think
he will. I think he's going to stay at Texas.
It's one of the best jobs in all of football.
But the truth is Ohio State Texas is great, and
you know what it shows unpopular opinion. Rivalries are overrated. Ooh,
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Dallas and the New York Giants Bears Packers. Those are
one o'clock window games. In the NFL, the best rivalry
is Kansas City in Buffalo. It has no great historical context.
It's Mahomes against Josh Allen, right, That's why it's a
great rivalry. So the college football playoff created two dynamic
advantages that college football didn't have to have. Number One,
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December now playoff games sudden depth like March Madness instead
of Rando bowl games that nobody attended. You know, the
phrase is remember the Alamo, not remember the Alamo Bowl. Okay,
we got rid of a lot of bad bulls. The
second thing, early losses aren't as punitive, so you could
take big swings on your schedule. You can grow as
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a football team. I mean in high school and in
the pros, you're allowed to lose early and still win
a championship. Until now, you couldn't do it in college football.
So Ohio State Texas five years ago, if they would
have played, the loser would have to go undefeated the
rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
These are nineteen year old kids.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So in a memo to all you college football rivalry
guys that didn't want the playoff because you thought it
would ding rivalries, nobody cares outside of your fan base.
I mean, I think Iowa and Wisconsin played for a
spittoon or a cheese wheel or an axe or something.
Nobody cares. I'm in the Big ten building, nobody cares.
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I mean, I'm looking at the Texas Longhorn schedule right now.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh the Red rivalry, read the Red River rivalry.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I got news for you if you let me, If
you would fly me private to three games this year
for the Texas Longhorns. Number one would be the game
against Columbus Ohio State and Columbus, that's number one. Number
two would be the game at Georgia November, and then
I would figure out if Oklahoma was better than A
and M late November. Maybe their great rivalry is third.
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The highest rate of game last year for Texas was
the Georgia gate. It won the Oklahoma game. So college
football rivalries are like family traditions. If you're totally honest
with yourself, you're diluted a little bit by him, Like
Grandma's fruitcake it's mid and you know it, and Uncle
(08:58):
Hank's peanut riddles stinks. No, cap, just be honest, you know,
I mean, I know you've talked to yourself into thanksgivings.
Oh is the best, But then Earle gets drunk, goes
sideways and you regret it and you can't wait to
get in the car and drive home.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I don't want to hear about rivalry games. Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Texas is not only great because the teams are great,
the coaches are great, the traditions are great. It's great
because the loser can lose again. Ohio State lost at Oregon,
lost as a twenty point favorite, was allowed to make
the playoff and grow as a team, use that as
jet fuel, that ugly loss, the staff and the players,
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and win the National championship. That's how the NFL works.
That's how high school football can work. Why in college
do you get if you lose a huge game early,
you have to go undefeated. So I'm not into these
rivalry games that everybody talks about in college.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh the Iron Bowl? When's the last time it mattered?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Now? Michigan Ohio State remains fantastic. But the NFL is
a ratings powerhouse. What's their biggest rivalry? Honestly, it's Lamar
Jackson against Mahomes. It's Mahomes against Josh Allen. It's quarterback driven,
not regional or rivalry driven. A lot of these great rivalries,
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they're one o'clock window games. The biggest Fox rating this
year for college football game are going to be Texas
and Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's going to be the.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Big number not a rivalry game. Sark's on coming up
around the corner. It is a lot to add. I
will say this. It is a lot to ask arch
manning opening game at the Shoe against a top three
team in Ohio state with college football national championship momentum,
elite coaching staff, and oh, by the way, Longhorns are
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rebuilding the old line. So it is a big ask.
I can't wait, jymk we got a lot going on.
What do you make of Caleb Williams and these offensive
coaches like Ben Johnson?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I applaud him.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
He's what's concerning about Caleb Williams The stuff that you
saw with Eberflus, He's running backwards, can't get the playoff,
negative plays. We worried and saw a little bit of
that an OTAs Wright. It wasn't organized, couldn't quite get
the play in on time, and now we're seeing again,
(11:26):
is this just something that doesn't get better?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
So his backstory is didn't he follow Lincoln Riley to USC?
Lincoln Riley it takes the USC job. It's like, oh yeah, Caleb,
come on down and he kind of got free reign
to do backyard football.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I'm curious if.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Lincoln is kind of on board with that because that
was his style at USC and it kind of worked
at times until it didn't. And now he's carrying those
same traits over into the NFL. And I don't think
and again I'm not going to overblow the Ben Johnson story,
but he clearly is not a fan of that backyard
football stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
He wants you to drop back, process and fire. And
if Caleb can't do.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That, Colin, well, they're not gonna They're not gonna be in.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A long lag of the great scheme coaches in the NFL,
Ben Johnson is considered a scheme coach. So Shanahan is
a scheme coach. He doesn't want you running around. Ty
Whs loves Brock Purty. Okay, who's another scheme coach? So
so Mike McDaniels Miami doesn't want you running around. He
wants you to run their play. Who's another great scheme coach.
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Sean Payton in Denver. He wants bow Knicks to run
his play under center, not shotgun. Now we've talked about
that Bo Nicks was shotgun last year. It was better
for bow Now Sean wants him under center. Another scheme coach,
is Ben Johnson run my play? Defensive head coaches Sean
mcdermot's like, you know, he's a great talent, let him
move him Ron the Great, And there's Andy Reid by
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the way, he's talked about it like he wants Mahomes
to run his play, but then he there is that
battle of you gotta let your guy do his thing.
But most of the elite scheme coaches, they scheme up plays.
That was always the knock that Aaron Rodgers, with both
McCarthy and Matt Lafleur, sometimes with both would kind of
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do his own thing. It got really frustrating the McCarthy
and privately, I think it got frustrating the Matt Lafleur.
So this idea of hero ball it works with some coaches,
but Ben Johnson is one of these guys that draws
up winning plays like Shanahan, run my play. Peyton's very
much like that. He got frustrated with Russell Wilson who
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would not run his play or couldn't see the second
or third option went on film. Peyton would say, yeah,
it's open here it is, So Ben's gonna get really frustrated. Clearly,
if you can't get that playoff and you can't get
that ball out.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And you know, the younger generation coming up with quarterbacks.
These guys are social media stars. Let me bo, that's
the big saying. Just let me do me, let me,
let me fire, let me be me. And I just
wonder if it's gonna be a radical transformation trying to
rein in Caleb Williams. I don't think it's gonna be easy, Colin.
It's gonna take more than a season, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
Sarks around the Corner. They open up with Ohio State
and Columbus. It's gonna be a game for the Ages.
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a grown up, who's a really smart kid, has had
to deal sometimes it feels like he's had this sort
of babysit Tyreek Hill. And I felt Dak had to
do this with des Bryant. Is that Dak came into
the league very mature and very focused. And I feel
bad when these young quarterbacks, often they're great teammates, I
(16:41):
think they have a you know, there's a certain burden
put on them by people who can't get it together.
And Tua was talking remember Tyreek Hill threatening he wanted
to leave the team, Remember he talked about that or
recently and Tua talked about their relationship and Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
It's still a work in progress, just for me, but
for everybody. But everyone knows what he can do on
the field. Everyone respects what he can do on a field.
But I think, you know, he's he's still trying to
figure things out for himself as well, kind of the
man he wants to be. And you know he's not
too young. Like everybody makes mistakes. It's just some people,
(17:22):
you know. They they're in the spotlight, you know, and
and there their deals get get pushed out more than
than some others.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He's being diplomatic. It's time for Tyreek Hill to eventually
grow up again. The Cowboys had to move off des Bryant.
He couldn't Stefan Diggs, who I really like, Josh Allen's
like enough, Kyle Shanahan, Deebo see Steelers on a B.
I mean, the Chiefs won back to back Super Bowls.
The minute Tyreek Hill left, they went with the old
(17:53):
slow tight end. Even the great Randy Moss Brady won
Super Bowls pre and post. I think sometimes I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, I love.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
AJ Brown, I think he's unbelievable for Philadelphia, but the
heart and soul of that team is Saquon Jalen Hurts
in that offensive line, and that's the way it should be.
I am not arguing about the value of great wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But the uglier the weather.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Gets in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City, how much is
a guy seventy five down yards down the field with
a quarterback who doesn't throw a lively deep ball and
wind how much value does it have? And my take is,
you know, great wide receivers are a little bit like
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those like Christmas tree toppers. It's the first thing you
look at and that they had value, but it doesn't
keep the tree up right, like you can't build around
it foundationally. In fact, I've argued this with football people.
I think a great tight end is more valuable than
a great receiver because tight ends block and help them
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run game and they don't get marginalized in December and
January with bad weather. They run shorter, easier to complete routes.
So that the two dynasties in the last twenty five
years in this league were led by Gronk and Travis
Kelcey and star quarterbacks wide receivers revolving door.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
In New England, wide.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Receivers Franklin Kansas City have been even more of a
revolving door.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
At least Edelman hung around for a while.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So star receivers they are great for headlines, I'm not
sure they're great for hardware. And I also I think
it's a burden that you lay on young Dak or
a young quarterback like Tua, that there's some hand holding
here going on. And I think my take, and I
said this last year, I'd move off Tyreek Hill. Somebody
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will bite. He's a very very good player. But you
do get to a point when how much is worth?
Think how good ab was Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin player is like,
we've had enough, George Pickens enough already. So DK metcalf
Seattle is like, listen, the penalties are stacking up. We
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got to move off it. And I'm not diminishing the
value of the person, but I am saying when Tua
has to come out and go to a podium and
you can see him dance around the very uncomfortable truth,
I think it's time to move on. In Miami, J mckle.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
News, No, No, this is the herdline news, all.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Right, Colin.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
About two hours ago, the New York Jets had a
huge scare. Justin Fields was carted off the practice field.
H and everybody's panicking as a leg injury. Well, we
now know that Aaron Glenn has said that someone accidentally
stepped on Fields and he suffered a dislocated non big
(20:52):
toe injury. There are no specifics as to which toe
it is, how long he's going to be out, if
at all, but the Jets quarterback room Colin is minus.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Justin fields, we're looking at Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Adrian Martinez who briefly was like a big time college player,
but he never really became the story everybody thought he
would be.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And then someone someone named Brady Cook. I'm not familiar
with his work, but listen, it feels that to be
out a monthier is not great and.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I think we could start talking about arch manning in
the New Yorks yet not even getting you know, Drew
Aller could work. The big arm needs to cut through
those meadowlands. Wins at MetLife Stadium, but obviously not.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
A great start to the New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's shades of Aaron Rodgers four plays into his Jets tenure,
popping his achilles. Obviously, we hope Field returns quickly.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, this this division is starting to remind me a
lot of when Brady was in it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like Josh Allen now is just like.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You can just you can just put Buffalo Bills in
the playoffs home field, you know, game round one. Everybody
else has issues. Miami's got like cultural stuff they're battling.
The Jets have quarterback issues. I do think New England
will be a good, tough, strong wild card team, but
they're not there yet either.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You probably don't remember this, but as diehard Jets fans
remember several years ago they were like the worst team
in the league and then they faced the Rams out
here at so Far and they beat them and it
cost them. Trevor Lawrence, Okay, cost them. Trevor Lawrence has
the center for this guy nam what's his name, Oh,
Zach Wilson. Remember that the Jets should Field to be
out here. Cannot screw this up. Okay, we can't miss
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out on a potentially generational quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Well, we must tank correctly, and it's early for that.
But that's it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Fields is out for any period of time, right, all right,
Let's go to the next Roy Colin In.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Cleveland, Kenny Pickett took all the first team reps on
day one of Brown's camp.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
A Browns writer named Mary Kate Cabot predicted Pickett would
likely get the first crack with the first team, and
he was six and seven, no touchdowns, no picks. Now
here's The interesting part Colin, a gentleman by the name
of Mike Clay, does roster analysis at ESPN.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
And predicts cuts.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He is predicting Kenny Pickett is a roster cut of
the Cleveland Browns. So on one hand we have Pickett
getting all the first team reps, and the other is
a guy predicting Pickett will be cut.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Any early take on Kenny Pickett. We're not even in
August yet, but fire well.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean, if you drafted two quarterbacks, it seems to
me one of those guys is guaranteed to stay.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So Flacco is gonna start. This has always been our prediction.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And then I think they keep the two young rookies
because Kenny Pickett, you can move for a sixth round
draft pick or a seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Kenny, Somebody's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It could be you know, it could be any quarterbacks
gonna get hurt, either a starter or a backup gets hurt.
And Kenny Pickett's been around the league, so I think
Picket's easier to move.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Who's gonna who's gonna give you anything of value?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
For Dylan Gabriel, I mean, if the if the Browns
are willing to move off and that I'm telling you
that like chadur more than Dylan, and Chador went in
the fifth round, So can he picket to me? He's
a guy you can move and get something in return.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Final story con is Yep, it's the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah,
I know, but we're not talking Michael Parsons. Finally, we're
going to Cedee Lamb.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Colin Listen. He is really one of the top receivers
in the league. We know this.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
He talked about working with Dak and he's very excited
about the upcoming season.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
I feel like the league knows what happens when I'm
healthy and I have Dak for our whole season. But
if you don't, I will have it. I will happily
show you what it's going to be like this year. Honestly,
it's I'm a I'm a dominant receiver. I don't need
I don't like to speak highly of myself, but I
can't wait to show you guys.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He'll be good. He'll battle for a Pro Bowl. He's
very good.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The best player on the team, absolutely no question, best
player on the team.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
It's interesting because you're not a huge fan of the
self promotion.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Where are you on, I'm a dominant player. If you're dominant,
don't tell me. I know this will tell me.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They're show me young young men waving the flag a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I get it. I'm okay with it. I can live
with it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Jmck of the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. Well, there were
thirteen and three last year before losing to the Buckeyes.
One of the reasons I love the College Football Playoff
is that you can play big games early and even
if you lose thirty five thirty, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You can grow as a team.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You don't have to go undefeated the rest of the
way to play for the College Football National Championship. The
Buckeyes last year lost as a twenty point favorite home
after losing to Oregon and Nason, and they still made it.
That's why I love Texas and Ohio State plan my
buddy Sarks joining us coach of the Horns Texas Longhorns,
who I have playing in the National Championship this year
against Penn State. The two best teams I think are
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Penn State and you guys.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I want you to go back, Sark.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So your USC days, your Washington day's, the Alabama days
and now at Texas. This is a this is a
lot to chew on in week one road game Ohio State.
You guys, Pete Carroll and you guys, you played some
tough games early go back in your career. Is this
Is there anything that reminds you of this kind of
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game as an opener?
Speaker 11 (26:15):
As an opener, you No.
Speaker 12 (26:17):
The only one I could think of, Colin is when
we went to Auburn.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
I want to think.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
I want to say it was two and it was
Liner's first career star Reggie, Reggie Lindell were true freshmen
and we went into We went into Auburn and they
were they were pretty highly ranked team. But but I
don't know of anybody you know, going on the road
playing the defending national champions after having played them in
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the semi finals ended our season last year, and let
me turn around and open with them this year.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
It's gonna be hacking a game. But that's you just
touched on it.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
That's the beauty of this format now that that you
can afford to play these games, it's great for the fans,
it's great for college football. Everybody's talking about it, and
I was jokingly saying, you know, it's so different than
the NFL.
Speaker 11 (27:04):
Nobody's talking about Week one matchups in the NFL. Everybody's
talking about this game.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
And then the idea that I don't think either of
us get punished playing this game. Obviously, we all we
both need to play well throughout the entirety of the season.
But sure, it's what a spotlight it puts on both
programs and as well as college football.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, and also it's a litmus test. You'll know a
lot about your team that you couldn't You wouldn't know
if you played a lesser opponent. So here's what I
worry about. Four new offensive line starters. Now you've got
this is a position you have recruited very very well
in arch Manning. I bet just like Dad and Eli
and Archie is good at the line of scrimmage, You'll
get that ball away quickly. But it does to go
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on the road. Stark, you know this better than anybody.
The O line. You don't have a preseason. These are
nineteen twenty year old guys. That is a cohesion chemistry unit,
not just a talent unit. Are you concerned for new
starters on the road. The arts thing, that's fine, but
you don't you don't have an exhibition game to start.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That's a lot to ask, does.
Speaker 12 (28:05):
It, or you Well, I think that's why training camp
is going to be so important. And you know, the
beauty for the offensive line is they have to compete
against our defensive front every day, and I think we've
got one of the premier defensive fronts in the country.
They're very talented players, but also a really good scheme,
a difficult scheme. But to your point, them all playing
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together as one is going to be critical, and arch
does play a part in that. You know, we're fortunate
DJ Campbell's a returning starter. Cole Hudson rotated with DJ
played a bunch of football. Trevor Gooseby really at the
end of the season. He was playing against all sorts
of high, high caliber opponents from Georgia to Texas A
and M to Clemson, so he got a lot of
experience at tackle. But there'll be a couple of new
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faces in there, and I do think that's going to
be one of the keys for us in the ballgame
is is I don't want to say protecting them, but
putting them in really good positions so they can go
out and execute and play it plays a unit.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So Jeremiah Smith is on a short list of the
most talented college football players I've ever seen. Reggie Bush
I can remember seeing him as a sophomore and thinking, oh,
he could probably play in the NFL right now. Javon
Curse was kind of like that. When you play a
guy like Jeremiah Smith, do you bracket him? Do you
double him? Do you trust your corners? He is so
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physically strong that I it's one of those you contain him,
do you?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I mean, what?
Speaker 6 (29:29):
How?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
What is a game plan? Is there a perfect one?
Do you just mixed coverages?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know?
Speaker 12 (29:35):
It's interesting. I had a chance to coach Julio Jones
for two years. Uh in La reminds me a lot
of him. So big and physical, but yet fast, I
mean cover ground, so strong at the point of attack
when the balls in the air, you see that, you
see that, you know, just the ability to make contested catches.
And I do think at the end of the day,
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a that's where your attention needs to be. But hey,
they got really good coaches. He's going to be moving around.
He's not going to be lining up in one position
all the time. Ideally you've got multiple people with eyes
on him and guarding him.
Speaker 11 (30:12):
But you can't.
Speaker 12 (30:13):
You still have to play great team defense, and you've
got to have the ability to stop the run, and
you've got to cover the two other white House they have.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
We are two really good players too, So I do.
Speaker 12 (30:20):
Think a multitude of things that you can do well,
but you better know where number four is at all times.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So it's interesting when you get quarterbacks that I've always
kind of felt like ideally I was talking to an
NFLGM about this. He goes, I'm not really hiring coaches.
I'm hiring CEOs. A coach to be a CEO. I
don't want him on the headset constantly. Now at college
it feels a little bit different. But you are a
CEO at Texas. You have a great athletic director, but
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I mean nil transfer portal, building a staff players. So
how much I know, I know it's Arch's biggest start, yet,
how much freedom does he get at the line of
scrimmage in the open?
Speaker 12 (31:01):
Well, I mean there naturally there's going to be some
you know, and we're still formulating that game plan. That
thing is nowhere near set and Stone and uh, and
we're going against a really good defensive coordinator and Matt Patrician,
which I don't think people are talking a whole lot
about of here's a guy who's been an elite defensive
coordinator at the NFL level and worked under coach Belichick's
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been a head coach with the Detroit Lions, and so that.
Speaker 11 (31:25):
That poses its own challenges too.
Speaker 12 (31:27):
There's not a lot of tape, no no tape of
him coaching in college football, and so putting a plan
together that we feel good about also gives Arch a
little bit of freedom to to get us in and
out of some things that you know, as looks present
themselves in the game because there's so many unknowns. I
think is going to be critical and he's more than capable.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
Of doing that.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
You know, he's the guys you knows been been raised
watching tape with with Eli and Peyton and his dad
and his grandpa and everybody. So we're going to feel
good about that. And he's got great composure and he's
been in some ires with us already, so.
Speaker 11 (32:02):
We'll feel good about it. Do we want to major
in him have an audible on the road.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
That's a difficult thing to do, but we're going to
give him some opportunities to do those things, especially some
critical moments.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
So I you know, I was thinking about this. I
talked to urban Meyer about this.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Is that nil's tricky.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Lincoln Riley's done a lot, Brian Kelly's done a lot,
Dion Sanders has done a lot, and those I would
argue those three there's value to it, but it is
hard to create culture and chemistry when you're bringing in
a player and paying him three times what you're paying
a third year starter.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Like in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Everybody understands there's the salary cap and there's certain guys
that get it, and that's the quarterback in college. I
think the NIL, I'm for it, but there is a
danger in the transfer portal not screwing up chemistry.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Where do you land on?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I mean, have there been guys that you really like
but you're like, you all, what, man, I'm not going
to pay this receiver that and bring him into our room?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Like? Is that something you have to think a lot
about With the NIL?
Speaker 11 (33:09):
For sure, I think you hit the nail on the head.
It happened this offseason.
Speaker 12 (33:13):
We ended up not going on a player because I
didn't feel comfortable about what he would have had to
what it would have cost us to get him in
comparison to other players on that side of the ball.
And we love our culture and we've exhausted ourselves and
building the culture here at the University of Texas and
it's really good, and we're navigating the NIL space I
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think is good or better than anybody. I think there's
a lot of respect in our locker room. We believe
in production. This is a production based industry, right. How
you perform ultimately is how you get compensated. And so
I think our players understand that. And so when you
bring somebody in from the outside that all of the
sudden is making more than everybody else, I think that's
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when you can run into some problems. And so you've
got to make those decisions. Because we're a really good
football team. That's the beauty of our sport. I think
teams win championships, not not just a bunch of talented individuals.
Speaker 11 (34:08):
And we've got a really good team.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
And I'm very cautious to uh to do anything to
to to cause you know, any type of you know,
feud or disruption, to that what we have going right now.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Finally, what is arch Manning's best trait? Something that you
didn't even have to coach. It's just intuitive. There is
something he just did well the minute he got on campus.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Work ethic. His work ethic is incredible.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
Whether it's you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook,
working at his craft.
Speaker 11 (34:43):
You know, in the weight room like that.
Speaker 12 (34:45):
That that that is, whether it's innate in him or
uh it was you know, handed down from his uncles, whatever,
whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible.
And and that lends itself to the teammate that he
is too. And again that's not to take away the
arm talent, the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I
think all those things are a byproduct of how hard
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he works at his craft and how hard he works
at being a great teammate. Those things I've never had
to coach him on it. He walked in the door,
was a great teammate and has worked his tail off
from day one.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
You know, you're a coach. You could do TV. You
did a little TV, but in the end, you're a coach.
You just love coaching. You're an exs and O's guy,
one of the smarter guys I've ever met that does that.
And I watched Nick Saban on TV, and I think
he's such a coach. Nick, such a coach. I don't
think he's coming back to college. Let me ask you
if somebody in the NFL called him, maybe the team
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that got Arch Manning or got a great quarterback, do
you think Nick Saban would take the call? You know him,
you know him well.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you yesterday,
you already have in Cleveland.
Speaker 12 (35:53):
He's coaching Arch. I only have Arch for one year,
thought I was going to have him for two.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
You know, Hey, he is a great coach and I
love my time, uh working for Nick. I mean, he
really is a fantastic coach. I think he feels really
comfortable to me. You know, he's really good on TV.
I think he enjoys what he gets to do. He's
playing a ton of golf, which which which he loves doing.
I'm sure. I'm sure you know Miss Terry loves having
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him at home. So I don't know, you know that
that's obviously a personal thing. As he grows. I know
he's one of, if not the most competitive person I've
ever been around, so sure of those competitive juices get
flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like he's having
a lot of fun doing television. He looks relaxed, and
he's great for our sport. You know, I know people
are love tuning into it to hear his insight on
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all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, you know, it was just speculation on my part.
I you know, that's what I do. Steve great seeing.
Speaker 11 (36:55):
You you too, man, you too?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
All right, one of my favorite guys, Sark, who's at
just a fascinating journey. I mean, I'm telling you right
Texas Ohio State. I mean, I am parked. Pregame game,
postgame on Fox.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That is going to be.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's as good an opening game as we've ever had
on that Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
That's as good as it gets.
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Speaker 1 (37:32):
So the Cincinnati Bengals have announced this week they're going
to play Joe Burrow more on the preseason than they
have in previous years, they have traditionally started slowly. A
lot of that is that Burrow's not healthy and it
takes offensive lines and quarterbacks and timing a while to
get going. But we were talking about this as a
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staff this morning. Is I think I worry that Joe
Burrow could become and it's not that crazy could become
Matt Stafford in trod where unbelievable college talent, you know,
goes top of the draft, highly productive, has a little
taste of winning early, but just underwhelming ownership with a
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really good organization in his division like Baltimore or for
Stafford Green Bay, and you just don't you just don't flourish.
And I said last week, if I was a top
NFL head coaching candidate, if I was, the top priority
is who's the quarterback? That's why Harball went to the Chargers.
But number two is who's the owner? And there are
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I've said this, Kirk Cousins with very strong ownership, beat
Matt Stafford a lot in that division. Okay, and it
wasn't talent, So I think I would probably take Now
j Max is going to be shocked at this, But
if you gave me a good quarterback, brock Purty an
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excellent ownership with Jed Yorke. I think that job is
more attractive than Joe Burrow and Cincinnati. That's why keep
defending Zach Taylor. They don't have a designated general manager,
they have among the smallest scouting departments in the league.
They don't spend in free agency. I mean, how what
they did with Jesse Bates the safety's a great example.
He was a pro bowler. They won't pay him. He
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goes to Atlanta. He's a pro bowler to get paid.
So I think Zach Taylor's always fighting an uphill battle,
and I think Joe Burrow's getting tired of it.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Last year more than once he was. I mean, it's
not being moody. He was upset. He sees it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
He was easily the best quarterback in the league that
didn't make the playoffs. And he recently talked about the
multiple holdouts going on right now with the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (39:52):
Yeah, obviously disappointing. You know, you'd like to have all
your guys out there day one to try to to
build that cohesion that I was talking about earlier, But
that's it's not how it usually works out, you know,
it's a business, and.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
That is how's gone.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, that isn't the way it works out in most teams.
This stuff is private, right, so you know this is
it sounds crazy, like everybody knows that Harball went to
the Chargers because of Herbert, But he got guarantees from
the Spanos family on the money allotted to him and
his staff, and they wanted new facilities for free agents,
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right like, so there was a lot of things going
on here. He Harball looked at the facilities. Harball looked
at the guarantees salary with the coaching staff, most of
it was Herbert, but with Joe Burrow. Now you look
and much like Matt Stafford. Well you had the very
very well run Packers in the division, and you had
the really really well run Vikings who are always capable
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in the vision. And so Harball looked at that and
he thought, well, you got to really really well run
Kansas City chiefs in the division. I got to make
sure I got more than just Herbert. I need guarantees
of the coaching staff. I need those new facilities. And
La is attracted for free agents too. So it's a
tough spot. I mean, I've said this, if you don't
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think ownership matters. Carson Palmer had to deal with the
Bengals ownership, the Raiders ownership in Arizona. He got one
gift in his career. He got Bruce Arians for three years,
and the bid Wells weren't great owners, but they mostly
stayed out of the way, and he went twenty nine
and nine with seventy touchdowns and it was a running league.
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Carson Palmer's the best quarterback that never He had three
different teams, he never had great ownership. He briefly got
a great coach for him, and he tore the league up.
Like so, I know, quarterbacks the most important ownership. Second,
and I've said this, as owners of the NFL are
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now all billionaires. They've gotten increasingly impulsive, and the one
exception is Cincinnati, where they're not impulsive, but they've remained cheap.
So you're letting really good players go. Lots of distractions.
I will defend Zach Taylor to the ends of the
earth on this thing. He's got a lot to deal with.
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They do not have an official designated general manager. They
have an incredibly small scouting department. Go look at the
Eagles drafts. There's a reason. They've got a massive scouting
department in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Massive. So I worry about this.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I worry about it with Joe Burrow, and that's why
I think Cincinnati's there's a couple teams in the NFL
that it's hard for me to predict. Like I like
Zach Taylor, and I love Joe Burrow, and I love
Jamar Chase. I mean Jamar Chase won the Triple Crown
last year. Joe Burrow was amazing. They didn't make the playoffs. Okay,
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so it's like, why would that be. You've got a
confident offensive coach. Burrell was arguably the best quarterback in
the league, he had the best wide receiver, and he
didn't make the playoffs. It's upstairs, our two next
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