May 2, 2025 • 43 mins
Jason McIntyre in for Colin
Brunson eliminates Pistons but can they beat the Celtics?
Defending JJ Redick for Lakers playoff loss
Has the NBA playoffs become too physical?
Guest: Ric Bucher
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, and welcome to the Herd. It's a lovely Friday
here on the Herd. Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward.
He is gallivanting in Chicago. You'll probably see him on
a beach, playing volleyball or sight seeing in Chicago, doing
whatever one does in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm joining today by Alex Curry. We have breaking news. Alex,
he just like start the show that.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
As we sat down, it's like, oh, we're about to
shake everything out.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Last time we did this, Michael Malone got fired, Yes,
the Nuggets coach.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
We were like, what the heck's going on now?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Greg Popovich stepping down as those Spurs head coach.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
So every time we're.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
In we get like head coach in the NBA, breaking.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
News, something's going. I don't think JJ Reddick's gonna get fired.
I think definitely probably say.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
I'm still recovering from that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yes, yeah, it was traumatic to LA people out here. Well,
Alex is a real LA person. I've just been here
for almost nine years. Anyways, You've got a fantastic Friday
show for you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Obviously, the Greg Popovich news is huge.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
We will get to that, but I gotta start with
what went down last night in the NBA. Listen, Sometimes
talking about the NBA, we get caught up in what's next, right,
where's Kevin Duran gonna go this offseason?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Who's gonna trade for Giannis?
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Does anybody want Trey Young?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We get caught up in looking ahead, and sometimes we
miss what's right in front of us and folks. Last night,
we had a tremendous basketball game Nick Pistons and my
main man, Jalen Brunson takes over late an absolute thriller,
hits the game winning three, a walk off series winner
with four seconds left. Let's without further ado, let's get right.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
To the call. I an eagle on TNT.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Ticking in defensively eight seconds. Brunson stops at a time.
Speaker 8 (02:08):
Marches yeah, Jerry Lynn Brugs and Berry's it. He explay
by three the brugs and Berner ignited.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
The Brunson Burner ignited what a call.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Now listen in my house watching this, you guys don't
was born in New York.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I like to flex and talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I was going crazy. I mean, I'm with you. The
kids are there in the background sewing to do homework.
I'm like, this is more important, brunts and with a
snatchback and I said it to my kids at the time.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Listen, guys, some things are just true.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right Sinatra Born to sing, Hendricks, born to play the guitar.
Jalen Brunson, born for clutch basketball moments. He just last
week was announced the clutch NBA Player of the Year award.
He shot an unbelievable sixty four percent in the final thirty.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Seconds of games this year. It's just what he does.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And as a longtime mixt right, I was became a
Knicks fan in the in the Patrick Ewing era, Right,
you had Alan Houston was tremendous, Charles Oakley, everybody loved
the oak Tree.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
John Starks was one of my favorite players.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Obviously, I love Jeremy Lynn for like, you know, the
eight minutes he was running the show in New York. Yes,
I did like Carmelo Anthony a lot, but the reality
is Jalen Brunson at this point is rapidly climbing like
best Knicks player ever. He's on that list and rising.
I know, I know Willis Reid won a championship. I
think it was the ice age. I'm not sure, Alex.
It could have been the horse and Buggy era when Willis.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Reid won that championship.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But let's be real, Brunson's doing it now and he is.
I think what we love about him is that a
lot like Steph Curry. Right, Steph Curry an undersized player
below the rim, and he's just dominating and unstoppable. Brunson
is similar right in an era of high flying dunks
and ridiculous athleticism. Here's this, you know, six foot one
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guard with a killer mid range who's kind of simultaneously
impossible to guard and impossible to not root for, even
if you're not a Knicks fan. Everything about Brunson screams, man,
I love this guy. So the Detroit crowd had been
getting on his case all series. They're chanting flop or
flop or and one of our guys in the morning
(04:19):
meetings said there was a billboard erected in Detroit that
called him a mother flopper. Listen, the Detroit fans were
riding Brunson hard all series.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So when you watch that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Video, you see after the three turns to the crowd
puts up, you know, the three fingers to signal I
just hit a three and blows a kiss to the
Detroit crawd. Hey, guys, have a great offseason, enjoy it.
Here's my forty piece. We'll be moving on to play
the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Here's Tom Thibodeau after the game talking.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
About that nasty snatch back by Brunson and splashing the three.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Jail and shot.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
What can you say?
Speaker 10 (04:54):
You know timely, you know he's at his best when
as best is needed.
Speaker 9 (05:00):
He's done it all year.
Speaker 11 (05:02):
That's what makes him special.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
The Knicks Pistons series, guys, by the way, last four games,
Knicks one by two, Knicks one by one, Piston's one
by three, Nicks one by three.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
In an absolute thriller.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Now I will say the victory pushes the Knicks to
the next round. And like I'll open with, let's pump
the brakes on the next round.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Okay, let's enjoy. Let's relish.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Let's roll around in this Knicks victory, this awesome series
win we've.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Got all weekend.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Game one against the Celtics is not until Monday, So
while you're watching the Kentucky Derby, or if you're at
a beachlife festival out here on the West Coast, Alex
will be there. I'll be there, like if you just
enjoy the next win. I might wear my Patrick Ewing
jersey tomorrow to this festival, like I'm gonna enjoy it.
And you know why, because the Celtics kind of owned
the Knicks. They swept them this year four to oh,
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and last year they won four out of five games.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Knicks have lost eight of nine to Boston. I thought the.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Matchup we'd be good. I'm not so sure anymore. Nick's
really struggled against Detroit. But enjoy it, right, Let's relish
that the Knicks one.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
They're moving on. Jalen Bronson is a superstar.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Now I'm gonna pivot and defend an embattled coach, and
that would be one JJ Reddick. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry,
but I cannot understand the media and the fans piling
on JJ Reddick as if he's the reason the Lakers
lost to the Minnesota Timberwolves in five. Yes, I was shocked. Yes,
Vegas was surprised. The Lakers are favorites. But the heat
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that JJ Reddick has taken, I'm just I don't know
where it's called.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I feel like it's misplaced.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
My buddy is with the season ticket texts me that
his son, who's in the same grade as my son, we.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Gotta fire JJ Reddick. People are out on Reddick.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Folks, listen, There's a lot here to chew on, but
I'm gonna start here. So Reddick obviously took heat for
playing his entire starting lineup the full second half of
Game four, must win season on the line. So Reddick
was asked about it leading up to Game five, and
the press conference got a little terse. In case you forgot,
(07:08):
here's what went down.
Speaker 12 (07:10):
Is there an assistant or someone maybe that you'll lean
on tonight, maybe to try to get you know, some
other guys involved, if that opportunity presents.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
Are you're saying that because I'm inexperienced and that was
an inexperienced decision that I made. Do you think I
don't talk to my assistance about substitutions every single time out.
Speaker 12 (07:29):
No, I just think there's a lot of coaches lean
on their assistants in those situations.
Speaker 10 (07:34):
As do I every single time.
Speaker 13 (07:37):
That's a weird assumption.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now listen, if you know the history of JJ Reddick,
this is not a major surprise. I happen to grow
up largely in Virginia, and JJ Reddick was a big
time high school player playing in like a too totally
small town and he was cocky as hell.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean, this guy was so arrogant. He goes to duke.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Everybody hated him. He would, you know, flex on the crowd,
let everybody know. Like he's just a winner. He's a
money player, and I believe he's got the chop to
be a great coach.
Speaker 13 (08:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He is a little combative. He's not backing down from anybody.
You know, that's what kind of made him a great player.
You know, a not super athletic, you know, white guy
who's not that big going in.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The NBA, having a long career of being a great player.
Like he's he's going to give it back to you.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I kind of defend him on playing his starting
or his best five the entire second half of Game four. Now, yes,
the Lakers did Wilton in the clutch moments in that series,
unlike Jalen Brunson. Because that series against Minnesota was close.
Remember the final three games. Game three four minutes left
as a tie game, and the Lakers faded. Game four,
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Lakers up by two with ninety seconds left despite playing
everybody for the entire second half, and they were leading
with ninety seconds left. And then in Game four they're
down three after a Rui Hachimura three with again ninety
seconds left. So don't act like JJ Reddick cost them
the series because he didn't bring in Gabe Vincent for
two minutes in the second half.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And that's the thing I got to push back on. Guys.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Let's forget when the Lakers traded Ad for Luka Doncic,
they were like, you know, not a lot to be
the three seed they were looking at, Oh could they before?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Could they slide to the play in?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
This was a work in progress, and even then, the
Lakers bench wasn't great. Sure, Dalton connect would have a
game where he goes for twenty five, but that's in
the regular season against like the Spurs, Okay or the Hornets. Okay,
Dulta Connect wasn't lighting it up in games that matter,
and so yeah, I'm upset that he didn't play, But
maybe he wasn't built for this yet.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
He's a rookie.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Who's he defending? You guys are getting on Lucas case,
but Dalton Connect going to defend guys. I like Gabe
Vincent as much as the next guy, but gave Vincent, Jackson, Hayes, Vando.
These guys were not totally ready to play in a
high leverage spot against the Minnesota team that everybody undervalue.
So I do believe Riddick is getting a bit of
a raw deal here. So the Lakers straight for Luca,
(10:02):
they get like what twenty five games with Luca and
Lebron to work out the kinks. You know what they
say in the playoffs, coaches play seven but trust six. Well,
JJ played five and trusted five. He couldn't go to
his bench. And you know, we got Reddick talking after
the season was over about the conditioning or lack thereof
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of some of his players.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You can guess what he was talking about here, the work.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
That's required in an offseason to be in championship shaped.
And you know, we have a ways to go as
a roster, and certainly there are individuals that were in
phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have been
a better shape. That's where my mind goes.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Immediately is you know, we have to get.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
In championship shape.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I mean, that's extremely well said.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Notice Reddick didn't do this after game three or after
game four. You don't want to do that with your
superstar in the middle of a series. This is smart
by JJ Reddick. Hey, guys, this is the reality. The
roster stinks. Pelinka, can you get on it? And Lebron
you're in great shape? Luca you're not. And it's a reality,
Like you guys, don't. I'm a huge Luca fan. I
(11:16):
said he was the best player in the league for
basically the last three years. Obviously not this year because
he was injured and missed like thirty games or what
have you.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But yeah, he wasn't in great shape. He wasn't a
great defender.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And now Reddick's letting him know that's coaching, Like that's
do you want him to rip Luka Doncic three months
into his Lakers tenure in the middle of a series
that they're losing Now, there was a report that Reggie
Miller met with Reddick before the games, as the announcers
do that what's up, and he's like, I had to
calm jj Reddick down. Well, you know, listen, Reggie Miller,
(11:49):
I'm not going to be submerge his name. Yeah, he
blocked me on social media like five years ago for
calling him out. I'm not gonna rip the guy, but like,
what are you trying to do?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Why does it have to be about you? Reggie? Nobody
cares about then now uncers Dan, they don't.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's about Reddick. Was he probably rattled? Yeah, it's his
first playoff series. You think he was just a little
bit shook that the favored Lakers, who were awesome to
end the regular season suddenly found themselves in a big hole.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
To Julius Randall and Rudy Gobert, Yeah, I think he
was probably a little bit rattled. But can we take
a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I want to remind you guys real quick, when the
Dallas Mavericks traded for Kyrie Irving mid season, they.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They had to tank at the end when they had
no defense to keep their pick and get Derek Lively
out of Duke.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Then they retooled the roster with PJ.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Washington and Daniel Gafford, and look they got to the finals.
So the Lakers, you could see the parallels trade for
Luka Doncic. They did not tank. They thought they could
make a run. I thought they could make a run.
Everybody did. It didn't work out. Now you retool the
roster in the offseason. How was this so hard to
figure out? Can we just lay off JJ Reddick? My god, can't.
(13:00):
We've got to open the show defending the Lakers. So Alex,
I don't know where are you on the Lakers? It
was It was a weird moment for Lakers fans this week.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
I think we all got excited seeing the potential of
what the Lakers can really be, right because we got
a couple games of the best of Lebron and Luca
together absolutely taking control of the game and of teams
that they're facing. But again you mentioned this as you
have to remember Luca was injured for a good chunk
of this season. You gave up a lot of your
roster to get Luca, and they got exposed in the playoffs.
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Your roster gets exposed, your weak spots get exposed in
the playoffs, and they did. I think they did the
best that they could. But this is going to be
a very closely watched off season. And now just imagine
an entire healthy off season of Luca now being in
the same city as Lebron and maybe training with Lebron,
who was.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Like the top tier.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Take care of your body, spend a million dollars on
your body.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
To be in the best shape possible.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
To go through that kind of a boot camp and
then come back as ready as you can be for
the Lakers next year is obviously what you have to
keep your eye on and look for. Again, as a
Laker fan, I was solutional and I got totally drawn
into like, oh, they can do it. But no, it's
like the only played twenty five games together.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I think breb Bron's like probably gonna take his passport
so we can't go back overseas and hang out the
way Yo, get done.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
No, he's gonna stay here. They're going to train together. Lebron,
you know, he did his normal, Like I gotta talk
to the family, see what's gonna happen after the game. No,
Lebron's coming back. He's going to try to run for
it at least for another year with Luca and it's
gonna be awesome.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All right? Coming up next or the NBA Playoffs? Too physical?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Did you see what went down last night with Denver
and the Clippers?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
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Speaker 4 (14:47):
Welcome back, got Rick Buker here in studio.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
In about twenty minutes, he's going to be doing a
victory lap after the Lakers were eliminated.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
You know, Rick and Lebron and their bromance.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We'll talk about Greg Popovich stepping down and as coach
of the Spurs. What does it mean for women min
Yama if anything. We'll do that with in herdline shortly,
but I gotta quickly talk about Clippers Nuggets last night.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, it's been a good series, not great.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And you know, I'm not gonna get on Kawhi Leonard's
case because he missed a free throw late and blew
the cover. Clippers won by six, the line was six. No,
thanks Kawhi, But funny thing happened in the game. If
you watched it closely. Nicolea jokes that large gentleman behind
me forty two minutes shut a whopping two free throws. Yeah,
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his coach was not happy about it.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Afterward. Take a listen, Nicola gets fouled a lot.
Speaker 11 (15:39):
I'm not sure what was happening tonight, but for him
to shoot two free throws with the amount of contact
that was going on out there was absolutely crazy. They
put smalls on them. Those smalls were allowed to do
whatever they want. So I'm really excited for Saturday that
we're gonna be able to do the same thing with
their best players.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
At interim.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Coach, you're not getting the respect of the refs the
way Phil Jackson used to do that. So you know,
Cowhard and I occasionally will get sparring about certain topics
and the whole physicality of the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That's one that he's hot on. He loves it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
He loves Oh, it's like nineties basketball all over again.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's fantastic. Newsflash. That product sucked.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There's a reason the NBA changed the rules because the
games devolved into unwatchable drek. Nobody wants to see guys fighting.
This is not the movie gladiator. Guys, I'm sorry, it's basketball.
Let the skilled artisans go to work, and yeah, we'll
get to Steph Curry shortly. Okay, look at they put
together a montage of all the beefs that have happened
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in the NBA playoffs. I love heated basketball. I'm not
gonna use this as a referendum to talk about how
much I love playing basketball. But yeah, listen, game point,
you're not scoring on me. I will value you're not
scoring on me, and I get that mentality. But what
I don't get is Yokid, who's attacking the basket.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
All night long, attempts two free throws.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
The Nuggets has a team shot nine and they weren't
just bombing threes.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
They only shot twenty seven threes.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The MAVs, by the way, shot forty seven the other night,
miss forty.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
We cannot let this play continue. I get it, guys.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I totally understand you like physical, in your face skirmishes
all the time. I mean, Detroit Nicks was fascinating, but
it's not visually appealing basketball. Do you remember what happened
in the nineties the Bulls and Jazz played a playoff
game in the finals. I think it was like ninety
to sixty eight. Okay, go look at some of those scores.
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Teams were scoring in the sixties and seventies because it's
like just battles left and right.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You can't get to the basket.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Everybody's got a foot in the paint and they're just
fouling the hell out of everybody.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
That's not fun.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Have you guys seen the movie Cable Guy Jim Carrey,
absolute classic. If you've not seen it, I demand that
you watch it this weekend. There is a scene where
Jim Carrey, who is the Cable Guys, playing basketball and
he calls, hey, that's a travel we got to call
that and they're like, what are you talking about, No,
and Jim Carrey goes, oh, we're playing prison rules.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I see how it is.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
And then they go into this like Jim Carrey's fouling
the hell out of people, and it's like, come on, guy,
And that's kind of how I feel the NBA's been
in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
They call everything everything. It's like a little too much.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
You couldn't breathe on somebody without a foul being called.
But they've swung the pendulum far too much in the
playoffs where they call nothing. I mean, do you want
to see Bobby Portis and Haliburton going at it every
time down the court. Do you want to see Jyllan
Brooks and Jimmy Butler get in a fight, Because that's
what's next. Warriors Rockets today. I'm telling you Draymond Green
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loves to go after European centers. He don't pick on
American guys. He'll go after euros. Him and Shengoon have
gotten into it. We're close to an altercation. It's been brewing.
And it's funny because when I talked about this a
few weeks ago, they're like, Jay, you're crazy, No way,
we love it.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
People are starting to see, like this is not great basketball.
You'll catch and again, I had a Clipper.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Sticket last night.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I got to push you'll kitch twice in the final
ninety seconds, goes at Zuba's and gets pretty clearly foul,
one across the arm. The second one was more of
a questionable across the arm, and Yokich puts his arms
up like where's the call? And he got nothing, and like,
I don't know, I call fouls? Can we not have
body check basketball?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Which is a game my.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Brother and I invented in our basement growing up, where
anything goes.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You know, we're just body checking each other.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
My parents didn't want to get dry wall because they
knew we'd put holes in the wall. So he had
like that kind of ugly wood wood fake wood paneling.
I know a bunch of guys had it in the
eighties and anything goes, And I feel like that's what's
happening in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I don't want to see that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't want to see Stefph Curry getting fouled every
time he shoots the ball.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And that's happening. Here's Steve Kerr talking about it.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
Players are going to do whatever they're allowed to do.
And so after every on every release, you know Steph's
getting getting hit. But it's basically within the rules. So
that's how the league wants it right now. And you know,
I know we got thirty coaches who all think it's
it's just idiotic that we allowed this. So players all
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over the league are just taking shots at guys shooting
hands after release because they know it's not gonna be
a foul.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
He's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And you hear the part about thirty coaches around the
league are upset with this, So I'll wrap up with this.
So whatever era you're born in, you love that culture, music, movies.
This is just a peek into how strange of a
human I am. So we went on a flight to Japan.
You know, it's like eleven hours or whatever. What movies
do I fire up? Well, I've seen a lot of them.
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Let me fire up Back to the Future. Oh, I
love that movie soundtrack epic. I'll fast forward to the
good scenes. But I could watch that movie on a
loop and I didn't stop there. I love eighties movies
and music. I fired up Karate Kid after that. I'm
not even kidding, and I fast forwarded to where the
Cobra Kais would beat up Daniel and that Daniel got revenge.
And I am dead serious when I say this. When
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he pulls off the crane kick and mister Miagi gives
the nod, I almost cry.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I swear.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I love that scene that movie. I love eighties movies.
I loved eighties basketball at the time. I don't like
it now go back and try to watch it, guys.
And like we talked about this.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
In the morning meeting.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
You know, there's a bunch of young guys on the
stat A bunch of nineties dudes.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm not calling anybody out. I love these guys. They're
nice and they're like, Oh, I love nineties music. It's
the best.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I was like, Man, I go to pick up basketball
games and whoever has the music is usually a nineties
guy and it's all Sound Garden, Green Day, what they
listened to when they were growing up. Okay, I can
only take so much red hot chili peppers when I'm
playing basketball.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Sorry, guys, So this applies to the NBA too.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You guys love physical basketball growing up because you were
nine years old and you're watching guys choke out one
another and fight and throw punches. That's not where we
are today. That's not what the NBA should be. I'm sorry,
Adam Silver freaking get a hold of this. Let's go
to Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
No, no, this is the headline. News ran over.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
You know, we call those comfort movies, like you have
comfort TV shows and you have comfort movies. That's what
you go to and it makes you feel good if
you're in a.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Bad mood or something you like a kid like growing pains,
like a job I have.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
So I am like elf almost famous. Crazy rich Asians
are my three.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You're a little Yoka that I by the way, pretty
rich Asian, sneaky good.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
It's my favorite airplane movie. I like that every time
I get on an airplane. That's what you want to
go on the airplane like they did with the shower.
Come on, all right, let's start with the breaking news though,
because the San Antonio Spurs have announced that Greg Papavich
has stepped down from his head coaching position, transitioning to
be full time president of basketball operations. I'll pop up
for a mild stroke on November second of last year
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and never came back to coach.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Ow Kamovich has.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Been involved with the Spurs front office since May nineteen
ninety four and had served as the head coach of
the organization. Now, JEMC. I think we all kind of
knew this was going to happen sooner than later since
his health issues that happened this season. But at the
end of the day, it's the end of a legendary
era for the Spurs, also in a very respectful way
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where he's still going to be a part of the organization,
but now it's time for them to find that next
leader of the organization. I mean, his resume is absolutely insane.
He's one of the greatest of all time. Twenty nine
seasons as a head coach, twenty two straight winning seasons,
five NBA Championships, three NBA Coach of the Year, Olympic
Gold medal, Basketball Hall of Fame. Like it's he's checking
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all all the boxes.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Where do you rank him as like all time?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He has certainly top five coach of all time. I mean,
I'm sure sure you could make a case that he's
he's number one. It depends that filter. You want to
go Phil Jackson, read Aurbach, you know, uh.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, depending on So that's who's above him in championships.
You got Philled with eleven, right with nine, and then
Greg tied with pat Riley with five.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
So I mean, yea all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But I'm curious, what do you think this means for
Webbin Yama.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
I mean, he's young enough, they're going to have to
find the right fit. Well, that's We've seen it with
so many star players. It work and not work. And
you can't compare anybody to Bock because he's such a
in a league of his own and such a legendary
coach and it's been there for decades, so they got
their work cut out for them.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, my guess is Papa Mitchell still have his fingerprints
over everything.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Well, yeah, it's president of basketball operations. He's gonna help
find his replacement.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And you know, this is kind of a pivotal year,
year three for Wemby. I just looked at the draft.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So they have the eighth best odds to get Cooper Flag.
They also have the fourteenth pick from Atlanta. Obviously Cooper
Flag will be nice. Then there's gonna be talking about Yiannis.
We'll get to Jannis later, like do the Spurs have
some ammunition to go? Maybe get him? Give up everything?
But Wemby and you know, Castle rookie of the Year.
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It's it's gonna be an interesting offseason. I would put
the Spurs top five team in the off season and watch.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, coach Wemby, you.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Know, the full deer and Fox situation. He's a good player.
Interesting stuff in Cinny.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Transition and end of a legendary era. But now, like
you gotta feel excited for the future because you have
star and how about like star player pop.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Lebron, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry. That whole era, I mean,
the last twenty years of the NBA worker defined.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
By those guys. We'll go fifteen, okay, and and they're
all kind of.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Near the end in the last year or two or so,
or you know, a couple, couple.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
It's okay, it's it's it's.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
The natural transition. Okay, Let's move to the NFL. Shodoor
Sanders slide down. The draft board was historic, and now
players are speaking out about it sucking your Giants Wide
receiver Milik Naghbors book about the quarterback being a fifth
round pick.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
We all made different. So for them to judge him
on just the things that he said or how you
carry himself, bro, how you carry himself is all about
how his dad raised him and designed They know Dion.
We all know Dion.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Come around, We all know Dion.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
They was just doing that just to, you know, to
show how they bigger than what he wanted to stand for.
So for them to do that, but I have I
lost a little bit of respect.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, I'm kind of with Malik on this one. I
the whole situation is still a little fishy to me, Like,
even if he's not a first round pick. He definitely
wasn't a fifth round pick. And I just think people
were getting too much of their feelings and going around
the narrative of what the media was spinning about his
his cockiness and his confidence. And personally, I don't have
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an issue with a young superstar who you are drafting
to be a leader on your team having that kind
of confidence, because you're gonna need that to be a
leader in a room.
Speaker 13 (27:09):
I just.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Again, we don't know what was going on in these interviews.
We don't know what was happening in these war rooms,
in these draft rooms, what the conversations were, what were happening.
But from what we see, he's never done anything wrong
off the field. He seems like a stand up guy. Yeah, okay,
he has confidence. I don't think there's any.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Issue with that. And he's a good player. He is
a good player.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
The incessant branding stuff, it seems a.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Bit much just be legendary.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I just saw it as he was running to the pool,
has like be legendary on the ground.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
But that's what what NIL is now, and that's what
the social media that's young, these young athletes are making millions.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Of that can be your brand great, and I don't
want that on my football team.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
People are within their right to say that right now.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Let me ask leak neighbors saying let for them to
let him slide. I lost a bit of respect. He
plays for a team that lets Schador slide and then
traded back in for Jackson Dark.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Ye.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
So a little bit of a job is his own
r it kind of right.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I think so for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And so if the Giants hear that and they're like, oh,
that's that's great, that's our our superstar. We already dealt
with this with Odell Beckham.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I mean he had he did not have a good
situation last year.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Let's just put it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
He has it.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
They haven't like shown.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Him the winning ways that they are a winning way
kind of a team.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Yeah, they got a lot to prove this.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Blame him for that comment.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Let me go back to the branding thing.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And you are right, because even the fourth stringer in
New York they Tommy Tommy Cutlets whatever his name is,
he would do that Italian thing divito there.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
He would do that to brandes.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Hey, this is me and then you put on T
shirts and all that credit.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
So I get it.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
That's what it is, is that that's the era we
are living.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
You are your own brand.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But he's like a strong brand.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
He's a nobody. Sorry, Devido, he's not a fact. I
was like he got like his one shot about a shadure. Yes,
like you want to be a starter. Yes, are you
putting your brand above the team being legend?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Are you gonna like sell them?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
I know he was being confident. Also like his teammates
love him.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
There was nothing bad you Like, nobody could say anything
bad about him. So this was all personal opinions getting
in the way of someone's work.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Did nobody say anything bad about him because they were
afraid of repercussions from Dion.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Remember Diana Colorado straight up with two guys and was like, hey,
you're not good enough. Hit the portal. I wonder if NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Teams are like, I don't need Dion going on social
media blasting us.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
No, no, I mean you know what you're getting, Like
Dion is one of the all time grades, Like you
like that is he is who he is and he
raised a great human And that's that's the that's the
part that like this whole thing just seems fishy to me.
But let's let's talk about Sanders's former teammate. Because the
Jags made a splash early in the draft trading up
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to take wide receiver and cornerback Travis Hunter. Jacksonville intends
to work Hunter in on the offensive side of the
ball first, but the second overall pick had some of
the shortest odds to win both offensive and defensive Rookie
of the Year. Now, I love that they're gonna let
him cook and let him play both sides. But I mean,
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he's definitely going to be ranked as their best cornerback
and probably a top like two three of their wide receivers.
But if you had to pick which one do you
think he's more likely to win offensive or defensive for
kid year?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I would go offensive, much better chance. Yeah, Defense, no way.
Often he'll catch a lot of passes.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah, JAG's defense ain't great. They'll be trailing. I mean,
you could catch seventy balls for one thousand yards.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
They said they intended to work him on the offensive
side of the ball first, so that means he's probably
gonna get a little more a little more time at wide.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Receiver offense sells tickets and I think they need that in.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Jack defence wins championships.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
They're not going to defend sells tickets.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Alex with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
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the Rockets? And coming up next, we'll talk to the
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Speaker 4 (32:30):
All right back here on the Herd, Rick Bucher.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Joining us in studio doing his victory lot. Congratulations, but man,
you love the Timberwolves and aunt look pretty good. But
let's start with your guy, Greg Popovitch just announced recently
he is stepping down within the I guess the last hour,
stepping down as coach of the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's kicked up to.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
The front office, which he's familiar with, and you guys
have known each other for decades.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah, I'm coming to trying to come to grips with
this news because there's probably no NBA head coach that
I knew on a more personal basis over the years.
I mean he was he was an assistant coach with
the Warriors when I started my career, and over the
course of him going to San Antonio and running the
show there, obviously had a lot of opportunity to be
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around that team, covering their various players, tim Manu, Tony,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But Pop was.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Always welcoming and whenever we ran into each other, he
was always the first thing he would ask me was
about my family, my kids. It was always on a
very personal level. The cantankerous Pop that you saw I
saw completely other side when when we weren't in front
of a camera.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
One of them.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
I have so many touch points with him, but one
of them was I was doing sideline on a game
and I said, you know, before the game, I said, Pop.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Listen, just tell me what can I ask that.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
It's not like you're not going to You're gonna give
me some answers and he goes, what do you mean?
I go, Pop, every time we're on air for for
the sideline in between quarter interview, it looks like you're
eating glass, Like can we just find.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
A way, Like can we just be like this?
Speaker 9 (34:07):
And he's like, you know what, I'm sorry, I will okay.
And so we get to the first quarter and the
camera comes over and the light goes on and I can.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Just see him change. I can just feel it.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
And sure enough, he was a bastard the same way
he always was in those interviews, and you know, and
that's just the way, that's just the way he was.
But you know, as a person, and obviously I'm still
going to see him, but the idea that I'm not
going to see him on the sidelines anymore. And one
of the things that really I asked him. We had
a conversation shortly before he had the stroke, the first stroke,
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and I said, why are you still doing this? Because
you're a world traveler, you have so many interests, Like
you don't need to do this anymore. You've got all
the money that you need. And one he said, you know,
since he'd lost his wife, Like what, I'm just going
to go home and look at the wall. He said,
I have plenty of time in the off season to
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do those things. And the other part was he wanted
to get Victor wembin Yama off on the right foot.
If you remember early on in the season, chet Holmgren
was the Rookie of the Year because our candidate. Everybody
was behind that because he was playing with a lot
more freedom than Victor was. Well, meanwhile, Victor and Pop
were in the lab. We're in the gym, and they're like,
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we're gonna get your footwork down and we're going to
get your fundamentals down before we start to open up
the game to you. And sure enough, that's what he did,
and he did that with so many players.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's it is a sad.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Like feels like a shift in the NBA universe to
think that Greg Popovitch is no longer going to be
a head coach.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's probably too early, but I'll ask it anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Do you think this impacts in any way, shape or
form their chances of going after Yannis this offseason?
Speaker 9 (35:57):
No, I don't think this. I you know, from again
sort of his mindset and we didn't talk about team
plans or anything like that. But my feeling is that,
you know, whatever the plans were, the plans will continue
to be the Spurs and the big picture, he was
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just trying to get Victor in the right place coach
for a couple more years and then right off of
the sunset just happened a little earlier than I think
he expected.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Right, let's go to my Knicks.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Jalen Brunson, mister clutch last night knocks the Pistons out
before we get to the Celtics. I'm just Runson is
just magnificent. Like I don't want to say he's remarkable.
He's my favorite Nick ever, but he's rising up the
charts without getting to the finals yet of being one
of the great Knicks of all time, he's certainly up.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
I know willis Reet, You don't you know, if you're
a if you're a New York Nick, you don't get
to the finals, So you don't you don't have to
get to the finals to be an all time nick.
It's it's you know, well, you consistently got us to
the second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Okay, Oh damn, I mean what's the reality?
Speaker 6 (37:01):
You know what?
Speaker 12 (37:01):
This is?
Speaker 7 (37:02):
What?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
This is what drives me crazy.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
About Knicks fans, like we're always on the cusp. You've
been on the You're like Dallas Cowboys fans.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Okay, well that was thirty years ago. Your time in
the sun was thirty years ago. Stop acting like tomorrow
is going to be the day. Well, tomorrow's probably not
gonna be the day to go Tomorrow, We'll tell you that.
Not against the Boston Celtics. Did you see that's a wrap?
The Celtics are minus one thousand.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, in this that's not great Knicks any James whatsoever. Now,
Drew Holliday has a hamstring. Tatum's coming off the injury,
although it didn't seem.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
To bother him. Is there a whirl where the Knicks
make this interesting? No?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
No, no, look at look, look, And I don't mean
to demean the New York Knicks, but it's just it's
a really bad matchup. You got multiple guys even without
Drew Holiday. You got Derek White and Peyton Pictchard can
take turns on guarding, guarding Jalen Brunson. You got Jalen
Brown and Jason Tatum on the wing size wise against
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Josh Hart and Michale Bridges or even ogn and Obi.
It just the matchups don't work, can it?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Unfortunately? Can this possibly be a cat series because he's.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
The toughest matchup I think for Boston, But I mean
he was a visible last night.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Ten points fouled out.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
I've seen Kats score sixty points in lose. So no,
I'm not even if he has a great game, I
don't I don't see that being the difference.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
All right, let's quickly buzz through tonight Rockets Warriors game six. Yeah,
you got Steve Kerr whining about the fouls on Curry.
You've got the hand. Have you talked to your Golden
State people, mister Bay Area. I'm assuming Curry he's going
to play tonight.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, absolutely, obviously, of.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Course, yes, no question, he's gonna He's gonna play. I
think it's going to It's going to be a down
to the wire game, and I give the Warriors the
edge in those situations simply because of their experience and
the lack thereof and the absence of a true go
to closer. Jalen Green has somewhat been exposed. I was
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I was a big believer in what I was seeing
in the regular season. I was like, oh, I did
not previously think he had a chance, and then he
was showing me some things during the regular season. And
this is the value of when you have a young
team before you have to pay them the max contracts.
Let me see you in the playoffs. Yeah, let me
see what you are when the lights are brightest, and
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the Rockets are getting an opportunity to see that, not
just with Jalen Green, but with Alpa and Sengoon and
all of their young guns.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So benefiting. He's just inconsistent.
Speaker 9 (39:37):
Yeah, well, if you're going to be a closer, you're
going to be a star player.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
It is all about consistency. It's just tough.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
He's so young, and then you look around and you're like, oh,
Sengoon's twenty two.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Also, I mean, I don't want to get too hot. Takey.
Let's say the Rockets lose as you predict.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, are you trading Sheng Goon or Amen Thompson in
any package for Kevin Durant not.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
For Kevin Durant.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
There you can see a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Don't believe that Durant's got like a couple of years left.
Shoon and I'm and Thompson like a decade. I don't
think you're giving them up.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
Yeah, No, I mean no, I'm not doing that. I
love the culture that they've created. I love the the
youth and how you can bring all those guys up together,
and more than anything else, like this is the issue
with Kevin Durant. I know, from a technical standpoint, he
fills their.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Need as a closer, right, but.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
He also is the biggest personality in your room, and
he doesn't want to be a leader. And so Fred
van Vliet has done a great job of being that
orchestrator and making room, bringing along the young guys and
then hitting big shots when need be. Like, do I
want a better closer than Jalen Green ideally for the
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take next step?
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Yes, But Kevin Durant to me, is not the anser.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
What about Shane guon or Am and Thompson in a
package for you? Honest? That's where it gets interesting.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
That's where it gets interesting because I could see that
gambit again because Gianness will will fill some leadership, but
he doesn't necessarily have to be the all encompassing one, right.
He's he likes being a worker. Be look at how
he handled things when Damien came in. He's like, I want,
I want this to be your team, right, Like no
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true one approaches it that way. He's sort of a
magnanimous superstar. But in terms of his experience, in terms
of his leadership, and this is how you approach the
job that would be very intriguing because this is the
problem that I have. I love San Mune's game. He's
being exposed a little bit here and maybe it just
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is youth, but the limitations of his game are are
on on the big screen.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
We got a minute left. I have to ask, was
it you that asked JJ Reddick the question in the
pre game that set him off? I didn't love the question. No,
I didn't like the way the question was asked. Yes,
agreed that was the problem.
Speaker 9 (42:05):
Because what he should have asked is simply ask what
you want to know, which is how did you guys
come to that decision? Was that your decision or was
that a collective decision to play the guys the entire
second half? Then you get to the heart of it
rather than the kind of around the corner. Are you
going to lean more on your assistant coaches?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Just ask the question?
Speaker 9 (42:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I mean I defended Reddick. I know that's not gonna
be popular when I go online. You know, people get angry.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I didn't think he had that bad of.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
A series, Rick like he had. No, the bench did
not exist, he did.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Not have that.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He did not have that bad of a series.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
For coach coaching in the playoffs for the first first,
but he failed the final exam. He went and he
went into the playoffs with a B plus a minus
from me, he ended up with a C plus. M.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Harsh took himself greater. Rick Buker, Fox Sports, NBA analysts
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Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm joining today by Alex Curry. We have breaking news. Alex,
he just like start the show that.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
As we sat down, it's like, oh, we're about to
shake everything out.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Last time we did this, Michael Malone got fired, Yes,
the Nuggets coach.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
We were like, what the heck's going on now?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Greg Popovich stepping down as those Spurs head coach.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
So every time we're.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
In we get like head coach in the NBA, breaking.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
News, something's going. I don't think JJ Reddick's gonna get fired.
I think definitely probably say.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
I'm still recovering from that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yes, yeah, it was traumatic to LA people out here. Well,
Alex is a real LA person. I've just been here
for almost nine years. Anyways, You've got a fantastic Friday
show for you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Obviously, the Greg Popovich news is huge.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
We will get to that, but I gotta start with
what went down last night in the NBA. Listen, Sometimes
talking about the NBA, we get caught up in what's next, right,
where's Kevin Duran gonna go this offseason?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Who's gonna trade for Giannis?
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Does anybody want Trey Young?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We get caught up in looking ahead, and sometimes we
miss what's right in front of us and folks. Last night,
we had a tremendous basketball game Nick Pistons and my
main man, Jalen Brunson takes over late an absolute thriller,
hits the game winning three, a walk off series winner
with four seconds left. Let's without further ado, let's get right.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
To the call. I an eagle on TNT.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Ticking in defensively eight seconds. Brunson stops at a time.
Speaker 8 (02:08):
Marches yeah, Jerry Lynn Brugs and Berry's it. He explay
by three the brugs and Berner ignited.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
The Brunson Burner ignited what a call.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Now listen in my house watching this, you guys don't
was born in New York.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I like to flex and talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I was going crazy. I mean, I'm with you. The
kids are there in the background sewing to do homework.
I'm like, this is more important, brunts and with a
snatchback and I said it to my kids at the time.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Listen, guys, some things are just true.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right Sinatra Born to sing, Hendricks, born to play the guitar.
Jalen Brunson, born for clutch basketball moments. He just last
week was announced the clutch NBA Player of the Year award.
He shot an unbelievable sixty four percent in the final thirty.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Seconds of games this year. It's just what he does.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And as a longtime mixt right, I was became a
Knicks fan in the in the Patrick Ewing era, Right,
you had Alan Houston was tremendous, Charles Oakley, everybody loved
the oak Tree.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
John Starks was one of my favorite players.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Obviously, I love Jeremy Lynn for like, you know, the
eight minutes he was running the show in New York. Yes,
I did like Carmelo Anthony a lot, but the reality
is Jalen Brunson at this point is rapidly climbing like
best Knicks player ever. He's on that list and rising.
I know, I know Willis Reid won a championship. I
think it was the ice age. I'm not sure, Alex.
It could have been the horse and Buggy era when Willis.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Reid won that championship.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But let's be real, Brunson's doing it now and he is.
I think what we love about him is that a
lot like Steph Curry. Right, Steph Curry an undersized player
below the rim, and he's just dominating and unstoppable. Brunson
is similar right in an era of high flying dunks
and ridiculous athleticism. Here's this, you know, six foot one
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guard with a killer mid range who's kind of simultaneously
impossible to guard and impossible to not root for, even
if you're not a Knicks fan. Everything about Brunson screams, man,
I love this guy. So the Detroit crowd had been
getting on his case all series. They're chanting flop or
flop or and one of our guys in the morning
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meetings said there was a billboard erected in Detroit that
called him a mother flopper. Listen, the Detroit fans were
riding Brunson hard all series.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So when you watch that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Video, you see after the three turns to the crowd
puts up, you know, the three fingers to signal I
just hit a three and blows a kiss to the
Detroit crawd. Hey, guys, have a great offseason, enjoy it.
Here's my forty piece. We'll be moving on to play
the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Here's Tom Thibodeau after the game talking.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
About that nasty snatch back by Brunson and splashing the three.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Jail and shot.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
What can you say?
Speaker 10 (04:54):
You know timely, you know he's at his best when
as best is needed.
Speaker 9 (05:00):
He's done it all year.
Speaker 11 (05:02):
That's what makes him special.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
The Knicks Pistons series, guys, by the way, last four games,
Knicks one by two, Knicks one by one, Piston's one
by three, Nicks one by three.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
In an absolute thriller.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Now I will say the victory pushes the Knicks to
the next round. And like I'll open with, let's pump
the brakes on the next round.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Okay, let's enjoy. Let's relish.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Let's roll around in this Knicks victory, this awesome series
win we've.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Got all weekend.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Game one against the Celtics is not until Monday, So
while you're watching the Kentucky Derby, or if you're at
a beachlife festival out here on the West Coast, Alex
will be there. I'll be there, like if you just
enjoy the next win. I might wear my Patrick Ewing
jersey tomorrow to this festival, like I'm gonna enjoy it.
And you know why, because the Celtics kind of owned
the Knicks. They swept them this year four to oh,
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and last year they won four out of five games.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Knicks have lost eight of nine to Boston. I thought the.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Matchup we'd be good. I'm not so sure anymore. Nick's
really struggled against Detroit. But enjoy it, right, Let's relish
that the Knicks one.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
They're moving on. Jalen Bronson is a superstar.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Now I'm gonna pivot and defend an embattled coach, and
that would be one JJ Reddick. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry,
but I cannot understand the media and the fans piling
on JJ Reddick as if he's the reason the Lakers
lost to the Minnesota Timberwolves in five. Yes, I was shocked. Yes,
Vegas was surprised. The Lakers are favorites. But the heat
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that JJ Reddick has taken, I'm just I don't know
where it's called.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I feel like it's misplaced.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
My buddy is with the season ticket texts me that
his son, who's in the same grade as my son, we.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Gotta fire JJ Reddick. People are out on Reddick.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Folks, listen, There's a lot here to chew on, but
I'm gonna start here. So Reddick obviously took heat for
playing his entire starting lineup the full second half of
Game four, must win season on the line. So Reddick
was asked about it leading up to Game five, and
the press conference got a little terse. In case you forgot,
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here's what went down.
Speaker 12 (07:10):
Is there an assistant or someone maybe that you'll lean
on tonight, maybe to try to get you know, some
other guys involved, if that opportunity presents.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
Are you're saying that because I'm inexperienced and that was
an inexperienced decision that I made. Do you think I
don't talk to my assistance about substitutions every single time out.
Speaker 12 (07:29):
No, I just think there's a lot of coaches lean
on their assistants in those situations.
Speaker 10 (07:34):
As do I every single time.
Speaker 13 (07:37):
That's a weird assumption.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now listen, if you know the history of JJ Reddick,
this is not a major surprise. I happen to grow
up largely in Virginia, and JJ Reddick was a big
time high school player playing in like a too totally
small town and he was cocky as hell.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean, this guy was so arrogant. He goes to duke.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Everybody hated him. He would, you know, flex on the crowd,
let everybody know. Like he's just a winner. He's a
money player, and I believe he's got the chop to
be a great coach.
Speaker 13 (08:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He is a little combative. He's not backing down from anybody.
You know, that's what kind of made him a great player.
You know, a not super athletic, you know, white guy
who's not that big going in.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The NBA, having a long career of being a great player.
Like he's he's going to give it back to you.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I kind of defend him on playing his starting
or his best five the entire second half of Game four. Now, yes,
the Lakers did Wilton in the clutch moments in that series,
unlike Jalen Brunson. Because that series against Minnesota was close.
Remember the final three games. Game three four minutes left
as a tie game, and the Lakers faded. Game four,
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Lakers up by two with ninety seconds left despite playing
everybody for the entire second half, and they were leading
with ninety seconds left. And then in Game four they're
down three after a Rui Hachimura three with again ninety
seconds left. So don't act like JJ Reddick cost them
the series because he didn't bring in Gabe Vincent for
two minutes in the second half.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And that's the thing I got to push back on. Guys.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Let's forget when the Lakers traded Ad for Luka Doncic,
they were like, you know, not a lot to be
the three seed they were looking at, Oh could they before?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Could they slide to the play in?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
This was a work in progress, and even then, the
Lakers bench wasn't great. Sure, Dalton connect would have a
game where he goes for twenty five, but that's in
the regular season against like the Spurs, Okay or the Hornets. Okay,
Dulta Connect wasn't lighting it up in games that matter,
and so yeah, I'm upset that he didn't play, But
maybe he wasn't built for this yet.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
He's a rookie.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Who's he defending? You guys are getting on Lucas case,
but Dalton Connect going to defend guys. I like Gabe
Vincent as much as the next guy, but gave Vincent, Jackson, Hayes, Vando.
These guys were not totally ready to play in a
high leverage spot against the Minnesota team that everybody undervalue.
So I do believe Riddick is getting a bit of
a raw deal here. So the Lakers straight for Luca,
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they get like what twenty five games with Luca and
Lebron to work out the kinks. You know what they
say in the playoffs, coaches play seven but trust six. Well,
JJ played five and trusted five. He couldn't go to
his bench. And you know, we got Reddick talking after
the season was over about the conditioning or lack thereof
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of some of his players.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You can guess what he was talking about here, the work.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
That's required in an offseason to be in championship shaped.
And you know, we have a ways to go as
a roster, and certainly there are individuals that were in
phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have been
a better shape. That's where my mind goes.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Immediately is you know, we have to get.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
In championship shape.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I mean, that's extremely well said.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Notice Reddick didn't do this after game three or after
game four. You don't want to do that with your
superstar in the middle of a series. This is smart
by JJ Reddick. Hey, guys, this is the reality. The
roster stinks. Pelinka, can you get on it? And Lebron
you're in great shape? Luca you're not. And it's a reality,
Like you guys, don't. I'm a huge Luca fan. I
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said he was the best player in the league for
basically the last three years. Obviously not this year because
he was injured and missed like thirty games or what
have you.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But yeah, he wasn't in great shape. He wasn't a
great defender.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And now Reddick's letting him know that's coaching, Like that's
do you want him to rip Luka Doncic three months
into his Lakers tenure in the middle of a series
that they're losing Now, there was a report that Reggie
Miller met with Reddick before the games, as the announcers
do that what's up, and he's like, I had to
calm jj Reddick down. Well, you know, listen, Reggie Miller,
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I'm not going to be submerge his name. Yeah, he
blocked me on social media like five years ago for
calling him out. I'm not gonna rip the guy, but like,
what are you trying to do?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Why does it have to be about you? Reggie? Nobody
cares about then now uncers Dan, they don't.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's about Reddick. Was he probably rattled? Yeah, it's his
first playoff series. You think he was just a little
bit shook that the favored Lakers, who were awesome to
end the regular season suddenly found themselves in a big hole.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
To Julius Randall and Rudy Gobert, Yeah, I think he
was probably a little bit rattled. But can we take
a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I want to remind you guys real quick, when the
Dallas Mavericks traded for Kyrie Irving mid season, they.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They had to tank at the end when they had
no defense to keep their pick and get Derek Lively
out of Duke.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Then they retooled the roster with PJ.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Washington and Daniel Gafford, and look they got to the finals.
So the Lakers, you could see the parallels trade for
Luka Doncic. They did not tank. They thought they could
make a run. I thought they could make a run.
Everybody did. It didn't work out. Now you retool the
roster in the offseason. How was this so hard to
figure out? Can we just lay off JJ Reddick? My god, can't.
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We've got to open the show defending the Lakers. So Alex,
I don't know where are you on the Lakers? It
was It was a weird moment for Lakers fans this week.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
I think we all got excited seeing the potential of
what the Lakers can really be, right because we got
a couple games of the best of Lebron and Luca
together absolutely taking control of the game and of teams
that they're facing. But again you mentioned this as you
have to remember Luca was injured for a good chunk
of this season. You gave up a lot of your
roster to get Luca, and they got exposed in the playoffs.
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Your roster gets exposed, your weak spots get exposed in
the playoffs, and they did. I think they did the
best that they could. But this is going to be
a very closely watched off season. And now just imagine
an entire healthy off season of Luca now being in
the same city as Lebron and maybe training with Lebron,
who was.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Like the top tier.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Take care of your body, spend a million dollars on
your body.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
To be in the best shape possible.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
To go through that kind of a boot camp and
then come back as ready as you can be for
the Lakers next year is obviously what you have to
keep your eye on and look for. Again, as a
Laker fan, I was solutional and I got totally drawn
into like, oh, they can do it. But no, it's
like the only played twenty five games together.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I think breb Bron's like probably gonna take his passport
so we can't go back overseas and hang out the
way Yo, get done.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
No, he's gonna stay here. They're going to train together. Lebron,
you know, he did his normal, Like I gotta talk
to the family, see what's gonna happen after the game. No,
Lebron's coming back. He's going to try to run for
it at least for another year with Luca and it's
gonna be awesome.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All right? Coming up next or the NBA Playoffs? Too physical?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Did you see what went down last night with Denver
and the Clippers?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 4 (14:47):
Welcome back, got Rick Buker here in studio.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
In about twenty minutes, he's going to be doing a
victory lap after the Lakers were eliminated.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
You know, Rick and Lebron and their bromance.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We'll talk about Greg Popovich stepping down and as coach
of the Spurs. What does it mean for women min
Yama if anything. We'll do that with in herdline shortly,
but I gotta quickly talk about Clippers Nuggets last night.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, it's been a good series, not great.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And you know, I'm not gonna get on Kawhi Leonard's
case because he missed a free throw late and blew
the cover. Clippers won by six, the line was six. No,
thanks Kawhi, But funny thing happened in the game. If
you watched it closely. Nicolea jokes that large gentleman behind
me forty two minutes shut a whopping two free throws. Yeah,
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his coach was not happy about it.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Afterward. Take a listen, Nicola gets fouled a lot.
Speaker 11 (15:39):
I'm not sure what was happening tonight, but for him
to shoot two free throws with the amount of contact
that was going on out there was absolutely crazy. They
put smalls on them. Those smalls were allowed to do
whatever they want. So I'm really excited for Saturday that
we're gonna be able to do the same thing with
their best players.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
At interim.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Coach, you're not getting the respect of the refs the
way Phil Jackson used to do that. So you know,
Cowhard and I occasionally will get sparring about certain topics
and the whole physicality of the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That's one that he's hot on. He loves it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
He loves Oh, it's like nineties basketball all over again.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's fantastic. Newsflash. That product sucked.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There's a reason the NBA changed the rules because the
games devolved into unwatchable drek. Nobody wants to see guys fighting.
This is not the movie gladiator. Guys, I'm sorry, it's basketball.
Let the skilled artisans go to work, and yeah, we'll
get to Steph Curry shortly. Okay, look at they put
together a montage of all the beefs that have happened
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in the NBA playoffs. I love heated basketball. I'm not
gonna use this as a referendum to talk about how
much I love playing basketball. But yeah, listen, game point,
you're not scoring on me. I will value you're not
scoring on me, and I get that mentality. But what
I don't get is Yokid, who's attacking the basket.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
All night long, attempts two free throws.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
The Nuggets has a team shot nine and they weren't
just bombing threes.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
They only shot twenty seven threes.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The MAVs, by the way, shot forty seven the other night,
miss forty.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
We cannot let this play continue. I get it, guys.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I totally understand you like physical, in your face skirmishes
all the time. I mean, Detroit Nicks was fascinating, but
it's not visually appealing basketball. Do you remember what happened
in the nineties the Bulls and Jazz played a playoff
game in the finals. I think it was like ninety
to sixty eight. Okay, go look at some of those scores.
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Teams were scoring in the sixties and seventies because it's
like just battles left and right.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You can't get to the basket.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Everybody's got a foot in the paint and they're just
fouling the hell out of everybody.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
That's not fun.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Have you guys seen the movie Cable Guy Jim Carrey,
absolute classic. If you've not seen it, I demand that
you watch it this weekend. There is a scene where
Jim Carrey, who is the Cable Guys, playing basketball and
he calls, hey, that's a travel we got to call
that and they're like, what are you talking about, No,
and Jim Carrey goes, oh, we're playing prison rules.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I see how it is.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
And then they go into this like Jim Carrey's fouling
the hell out of people, and it's like, come on, guy,
And that's kind of how I feel the NBA's been
in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
They call everything everything. It's like a little too much.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
You couldn't breathe on somebody without a foul being called.
But they've swung the pendulum far too much in the
playoffs where they call nothing. I mean, do you want
to see Bobby Portis and Haliburton going at it every
time down the court. Do you want to see Jyllan
Brooks and Jimmy Butler get in a fight, Because that's
what's next. Warriors Rockets today. I'm telling you Draymond Green
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loves to go after European centers. He don't pick on
American guys. He'll go after euros. Him and Shengoon have
gotten into it. We're close to an altercation. It's been brewing.
And it's funny because when I talked about this a
few weeks ago, they're like, Jay, you're crazy, No way,
we love it.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
People are starting to see, like this is not great basketball.
You'll catch and again, I had a Clipper.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Sticket last night.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I got to push you'll kitch twice in the final
ninety seconds, goes at Zuba's and gets pretty clearly foul,
one across the arm. The second one was more of
a questionable across the arm, and Yokich puts his arms
up like where's the call? And he got nothing, and like,
I don't know, I call fouls? Can we not have
body check basketball?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Which is a game my.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Brother and I invented in our basement growing up, where
anything goes.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You know, we're just body checking each other.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
My parents didn't want to get dry wall because they
knew we'd put holes in the wall. So he had
like that kind of ugly wood wood fake wood paneling.
I know a bunch of guys had it in the
eighties and anything goes, And I feel like that's what's
happening in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I don't want to see that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't want to see Stefph Curry getting fouled every
time he shoots the ball.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And that's happening. Here's Steve Kerr talking about it.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
Players are going to do whatever they're allowed to do.
And so after every on every release, you know Steph's
getting getting hit. But it's basically within the rules. So
that's how the league wants it right now. And you know,
I know we got thirty coaches who all think it's
it's just idiotic that we allowed this. So players all
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over the league are just taking shots at guys shooting
hands after release because they know it's not gonna be
a foul.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
He's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And you hear the part about thirty coaches around the
league are upset with this, So I'll wrap up with this.
So whatever era you're born in, you love that culture, music, movies.
This is just a peek into how strange of a
human I am. So we went on a flight to Japan.
You know, it's like eleven hours or whatever. What movies
do I fire up? Well, I've seen a lot of them.
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Let me fire up Back to the Future. Oh, I
love that movie soundtrack epic. I'll fast forward to the
good scenes. But I could watch that movie on a
loop and I didn't stop there. I love eighties movies
and music. I fired up Karate Kid after that. I'm
not even kidding, and I fast forwarded to where the
Cobra Kais would beat up Daniel and that Daniel got revenge.
And I am dead serious when I say this. When
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he pulls off the crane kick and mister Miagi gives
the nod, I almost cry.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I swear.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I love that scene that movie. I love eighties movies.
I loved eighties basketball at the time. I don't like
it now go back and try to watch it, guys.
And like we talked about this.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
In the morning meeting.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
You know, there's a bunch of young guys on the
stat A bunch of nineties dudes.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm not calling anybody out. I love these guys. They're
nice and they're like, Oh, I love nineties music. It's
the best.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I was like, Man, I go to pick up basketball
games and whoever has the music is usually a nineties
guy and it's all Sound Garden, Green Day, what they
listened to when they were growing up. Okay, I can
only take so much red hot chili peppers when I'm
playing basketball.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Sorry, guys, So this applies to the NBA too.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You guys love physical basketball growing up because you were
nine years old and you're watching guys choke out one
another and fight and throw punches. That's not where we
are today. That's not what the NBA should be. I'm sorry,
Adam Silver freaking get a hold of this. Let's go
to Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
No, no, this is the headline. News ran over.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
You know, we call those comfort movies, like you have
comfort TV shows and you have comfort movies. That's what
you go to and it makes you feel good if
you're in a.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Bad mood or something you like a kid like growing pains,
like a job I have.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
So I am like elf almost famous. Crazy rich Asians
are my three.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You're a little Yoka that I by the way, pretty
rich Asian, sneaky good.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
It's my favorite airplane movie. I like that every time
I get on an airplane. That's what you want to
go on the airplane like they did with the shower.
Come on, all right, let's start with the breaking news though,
because the San Antonio Spurs have announced that Greg Papavich
has stepped down from his head coaching position, transitioning to
be full time president of basketball operations. I'll pop up
for a mild stroke on November second of last year
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and never came back to coach.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Ow Kamovich has.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Been involved with the Spurs front office since May nineteen
ninety four and had served as the head coach of
the organization. Now, JEMC. I think we all kind of
knew this was going to happen sooner than later since
his health issues that happened this season. But at the
end of the day, it's the end of a legendary
era for the Spurs, also in a very respectful way
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where he's still going to be a part of the organization,
but now it's time for them to find that next
leader of the organization. I mean, his resume is absolutely insane.
He's one of the greatest of all time. Twenty nine
seasons as a head coach, twenty two straight winning seasons,
five NBA Championships, three NBA Coach of the Year, Olympic
Gold medal, Basketball Hall of Fame. Like it's he's checking
(23:54):
all all the boxes.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Where do you rank him as like all time?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He has certainly top five coach of all time. I mean,
I'm sure sure you could make a case that he's
he's number one. It depends that filter. You want to
go Phil Jackson, read Aurbach, you know, uh.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, depending on So that's who's above him in championships.
You got Philled with eleven, right with nine, and then
Greg tied with pat Riley with five.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
So I mean, yea all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But I'm curious, what do you think this means for
Webbin Yama.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
I mean, he's young enough, they're going to have to
find the right fit. Well, that's We've seen it with
so many star players. It work and not work. And
you can't compare anybody to Bock because he's such a
in a league of his own and such a legendary
coach and it's been there for decades, so they got
their work cut out for them.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, my guess is Papa Mitchell still have his fingerprints
over everything.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Well, yeah, it's president of basketball operations. He's gonna help
find his replacement.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And you know, this is kind of a pivotal year,
year three for Wemby. I just looked at the draft.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So they have the eighth best odds to get Cooper Flag.
They also have the fourteenth pick from Atlanta. Obviously Cooper
Flag will be nice. Then there's gonna be talking about Yiannis.
We'll get to Jannis later, like do the Spurs have
some ammunition to go? Maybe get him? Give up everything?
But Wemby and you know, Castle rookie of the Year.
(25:14):
It's it's gonna be an interesting offseason. I would put
the Spurs top five team in the off season and watch.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, coach Wemby, you.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Know, the full deer and Fox situation. He's a good player.
Interesting stuff in Cinny.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Transition and end of a legendary era. But now, like
you gotta feel excited for the future because you have
star and how about like star player pop.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Lebron, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry. That whole era, I mean,
the last twenty years of the NBA worker defined.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
By those guys. We'll go fifteen, okay, and and they're
all kind of.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Near the end in the last year or two or so,
or you know, a couple, couple.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
It's okay, it's it's it's.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
The natural transition. Okay, Let's move to the NFL. Shodoor
Sanders slide down. The draft board was historic, and now
players are speaking out about it sucking your Giants Wide
receiver Milik Naghbors book about the quarterback being a fifth
round pick.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
We all made different. So for them to judge him
on just the things that he said or how you
carry himself, bro, how you carry himself is all about
how his dad raised him and designed They know Dion.
We all know Dion.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Come around, We all know Dion.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
They was just doing that just to, you know, to
show how they bigger than what he wanted to stand for.
So for them to do that, but I have I
lost a little bit of respect.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, I'm kind of with Malik on this one. I
the whole situation is still a little fishy to me, Like,
even if he's not a first round pick. He definitely
wasn't a fifth round pick. And I just think people
were getting too much of their feelings and going around
the narrative of what the media was spinning about his
his cockiness and his confidence. And personally, I don't have
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an issue with a young superstar who you are drafting
to be a leader on your team having that kind
of confidence, because you're gonna need that to be a
leader in a room.
Speaker 13 (27:09):
I just.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Again, we don't know what was going on in these interviews.
We don't know what was happening in these war rooms,
in these draft rooms, what the conversations were, what were happening.
But from what we see, he's never done anything wrong
off the field. He seems like a stand up guy. Yeah, okay,
he has confidence. I don't think there's any.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Issue with that. And he's a good player. He is
a good player.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
The incessant branding stuff, it seems a.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Bit much just be legendary.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I just saw it as he was running to the pool,
has like be legendary on the ground.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
But that's what what NIL is now, and that's what
the social media that's young, these young athletes are making millions.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Of that can be your brand great, and I don't
want that on my football team.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
People are within their right to say that right now.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Let me ask leak neighbors saying let for them to
let him slide. I lost a bit of respect. He
plays for a team that lets Schador slide and then
traded back in for Jackson Dark.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Ye.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
So a little bit of a job is his own
r it kind of right.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I think so for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And so if the Giants hear that and they're like, oh,
that's that's great, that's our our superstar. We already dealt
with this with Odell Beckham.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I mean he had he did not have a good
situation last year.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Let's just put it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
He has it.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
They haven't like shown.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Him the winning ways that they are a winning way
kind of a team.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Yeah, they got a lot to prove this.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Blame him for that comment.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Let me go back to the branding thing.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And you are right, because even the fourth stringer in
New York they Tommy Tommy Cutlets whatever his name is,
he would do that Italian thing divito there.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
He would do that to brandes.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Hey, this is me and then you put on T
shirts and all that credit.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
So I get it.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
That's what it is, is that that's the era we
are living.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
You are your own brand.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But he's like a strong brand.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
He's a nobody. Sorry, Devido, he's not a fact. I
was like he got like his one shot about a shadure. Yes,
like you want to be a starter. Yes, are you
putting your brand above the team being legend?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Are you gonna like sell them?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
I know he was being confident. Also like his teammates
love him.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
There was nothing bad you Like, nobody could say anything
bad about him. So this was all personal opinions getting
in the way of someone's work.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Did nobody say anything bad about him because they were
afraid of repercussions from Dion.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Remember Diana Colorado straight up with two guys and was like, hey,
you're not good enough. Hit the portal. I wonder if NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Teams are like, I don't need Dion going on social
media blasting us.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
No, no, I mean you know what you're getting, Like
Dion is one of the all time grades, Like you
like that is he is who he is and he
raised a great human And that's that's the that's the
part that like this whole thing just seems fishy to me.
But let's let's talk about Sanders's former teammate. Because the
Jags made a splash early in the draft trading up
(30:07):
to take wide receiver and cornerback Travis Hunter. Jacksonville intends
to work Hunter in on the offensive side of the
ball first, but the second overall pick had some of
the shortest odds to win both offensive and defensive Rookie
of the Year. Now, I love that they're gonna let
him cook and let him play both sides. But I mean,
(30:28):
he's definitely going to be ranked as their best cornerback
and probably a top like two three of their wide receivers.
But if you had to pick which one do you
think he's more likely to win offensive or defensive for
kid year?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I would go offensive, much better chance. Yeah, Defense, no way.
Often he'll catch a lot of passes.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah, JAG's defense ain't great. They'll be trailing. I mean,
you could catch seventy balls for one thousand yards.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
They said they intended to work him on the offensive
side of the ball first, so that means he's probably
gonna get a little more a little more time at wide.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Receiver offense sells tickets and I think they need that in.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Jack defence wins championships.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
They're not going to defend sells tickets.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Alex with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
All right, game six tonight, can the Warriors close out
the Rockets? And coming up next, we'll talk to the
only guy in America. That's what it says here on
the script, I'm just reading who picked the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
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Speaker 4 (32:30):
All right back here on the Herd, Rick Bucher.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Joining us in studio doing his victory lot. Congratulations, but man,
you love the Timberwolves and aunt look pretty good. But
let's start with your guy, Greg Popovitch just announced recently
he is stepping down within the I guess the last hour,
stepping down as coach of the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's kicked up to.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
The front office, which he's familiar with, and you guys
have known each other for decades.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah, I'm coming to trying to come to grips with
this news because there's probably no NBA head coach that
I knew on a more personal basis over the years.
I mean he was he was an assistant coach with
the Warriors when I started my career, and over the
course of him going to San Antonio and running the
show there, obviously had a lot of opportunity to be
(33:15):
around that team, covering their various players, tim Manu, Tony,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But Pop was.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Always welcoming and whenever we ran into each other, he
was always the first thing he would ask me was
about my family, my kids. It was always on a
very personal level. The cantankerous Pop that you saw I
saw completely other side when when we weren't in front
of a camera.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
One of them.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
I have so many touch points with him, but one
of them was I was doing sideline on a game
and I said, you know, before the game, I said, Pop.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Listen, just tell me what can I ask that.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
It's not like you're not going to You're gonna give
me some answers and he goes, what do you mean?
I go, Pop, every time we're on air for for
the sideline in between quarter interview, it looks like you're
eating glass, Like can we just find.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
A way, Like can we just be like this?
Speaker 9 (34:07):
And he's like, you know what, I'm sorry, I will okay.
And so we get to the first quarter and the
camera comes over and the light goes on and I can.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Just see him change. I can just feel it.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
And sure enough, he was a bastard the same way
he always was in those interviews, and you know, and
that's just the way, that's just the way he was.
But you know, as a person, and obviously I'm still
going to see him, but the idea that I'm not
going to see him on the sidelines anymore. And one
of the things that really I asked him. We had
a conversation shortly before he had the stroke, the first stroke,
(34:44):
and I said, why are you still doing this? Because
you're a world traveler, you have so many interests, Like
you don't need to do this anymore. You've got all
the money that you need. And one he said, you know,
since he'd lost his wife, Like what, I'm just going
to go home and look at the wall. He said,
I have plenty of time in the off season to
(35:05):
do those things. And the other part was he wanted
to get Victor wembin Yama off on the right foot.
If you remember early on in the season, chet Holmgren
was the Rookie of the Year because our candidate. Everybody
was behind that because he was playing with a lot
more freedom than Victor was. Well, meanwhile, Victor and Pop
were in the lab. We're in the gym, and they're like,
(35:26):
we're gonna get your footwork down and we're going to
get your fundamentals down before we start to open up
the game to you. And sure enough, that's what he did,
and he did that with so many players.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's it is a sad.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Like feels like a shift in the NBA universe to
think that Greg Popovitch is no longer going to be
a head coach.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's probably too early, but I'll ask it anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Do you think this impacts in any way, shape or
form their chances of going after Yannis this offseason?
Speaker 9 (35:57):
No, I don't think this. I you know, from again
sort of his mindset and we didn't talk about team
plans or anything like that. But my feeling is that,
you know, whatever the plans were, the plans will continue
to be the Spurs and the big picture, he was
(36:17):
just trying to get Victor in the right place coach
for a couple more years and then right off of
the sunset just happened a little earlier than I think
he expected.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Right, let's go to my Knicks.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Jalen Brunson, mister clutch last night knocks the Pistons out
before we get to the Celtics. I'm just Runson is
just magnificent. Like I don't want to say he's remarkable.
He's my favorite Nick ever, but he's rising up the
charts without getting to the finals yet of being one
of the great Knicks of all time, he's certainly up.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
I know willis Reet, You don't you know, if you're
a if you're a New York Nick, you don't get
to the finals, So you don't you don't have to
get to the finals to be an all time nick.
It's it's you know, well, you consistently got us to
the second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Okay, Oh damn, I mean what's the reality?
Speaker 6 (37:01):
You know what?
Speaker 12 (37:01):
This is?
Speaker 7 (37:02):
What?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
This is what drives me crazy.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
About Knicks fans, like we're always on the cusp. You've
been on the You're like Dallas Cowboys fans.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Okay, well that was thirty years ago. Your time in
the sun was thirty years ago. Stop acting like tomorrow
is going to be the day. Well, tomorrow's probably not
gonna be the day to go Tomorrow, We'll tell you that.
Not against the Boston Celtics. Did you see that's a wrap?
The Celtics are minus one thousand.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, in this that's not great Knicks any James whatsoever. Now,
Drew Holliday has a hamstring. Tatum's coming off the injury,
although it didn't seem.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
To bother him. Is there a whirl where the Knicks
make this interesting? No?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
No, no, look at look, look, And I don't mean
to demean the New York Knicks, but it's just it's
a really bad matchup. You got multiple guys even without
Drew Holiday. You got Derek White and Peyton Pictchard can
take turns on guarding, guarding Jalen Brunson. You got Jalen
Brown and Jason Tatum on the wing size wise against
(38:01):
Josh Hart and Michale Bridges or even ogn and Obi.
It just the matchups don't work, can it?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Unfortunately? Can this possibly be a cat series because he's.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
The toughest matchup I think for Boston, But I mean
he was a visible last night.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Ten points fouled out.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
I've seen Kats score sixty points in lose. So no,
I'm not even if he has a great game, I
don't I don't see that being the difference.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
All right, let's quickly buzz through tonight Rockets Warriors game six. Yeah,
you got Steve Kerr whining about the fouls on Curry.
You've got the hand. Have you talked to your Golden
State people, mister Bay Area. I'm assuming Curry he's going
to play tonight.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, absolutely, obviously, of.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Course, yes, no question, he's gonna He's gonna play. I
think it's going to It's going to be a down
to the wire game, and I give the Warriors the
edge in those situations simply because of their experience and
the lack thereof and the absence of a true go
to closer. Jalen Green has somewhat been exposed. I was
(39:05):
I was a big believer in what I was seeing
in the regular season. I was like, oh, I did
not previously think he had a chance, and then he
was showing me some things during the regular season. And
this is the value of when you have a young
team before you have to pay them the max contracts.
Let me see you in the playoffs. Yeah, let me
see what you are when the lights are brightest, and
(39:26):
the Rockets are getting an opportunity to see that, not
just with Jalen Green, but with Alpa and Sengoon and
all of their young guns.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So benefiting. He's just inconsistent.
Speaker 9 (39:37):
Yeah, well, if you're going to be a closer, you're
going to be a star player.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
It is all about consistency. It's just tough.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
He's so young, and then you look around and you're like, oh,
Sengoon's twenty two.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Also, I mean, I don't want to get too hot. Takey.
Let's say the Rockets lose as you predict.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, are you trading Sheng Goon or Amen Thompson in
any package for Kevin Durant not.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
For Kevin Durant.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
There you can see a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Don't believe that Durant's got like a couple of years left.
Shoon and I'm and Thompson like a decade. I don't
think you're giving them up.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
Yeah, No, I mean no, I'm not doing that. I
love the culture that they've created. I love the the
youth and how you can bring all those guys up together,
and more than anything else, like this is the issue
with Kevin Durant. I know, from a technical standpoint, he
fills their.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Need as a closer, right, but.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
He also is the biggest personality in your room, and
he doesn't want to be a leader. And so Fred
van Vliet has done a great job of being that
orchestrator and making room, bringing along the young guys and
then hitting big shots when need be. Like, do I
want a better closer than Jalen Green ideally for the
(40:53):
take next step?
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Yes, But Kevin Durant to me, is not the anser.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
What about Shane guon or Am and Thompson in a
package for you? Honest? That's where it gets interesting.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
That's where it gets interesting because I could see that
gambit again because Gianness will will fill some leadership, but
he doesn't necessarily have to be the all encompassing one, right.
He's he likes being a worker. Be look at how
he handled things when Damien came in. He's like, I want,
I want this to be your team, right, Like no
(41:23):
true one approaches it that way. He's sort of a
magnanimous superstar. But in terms of his experience, in terms
of his leadership, and this is how you approach the
job that would be very intriguing because this is the
problem that I have. I love San Mune's game. He's
being exposed a little bit here and maybe it just
(41:44):
is youth, but the limitations of his game are are
on on the big screen.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
We got a minute left. I have to ask, was
it you that asked JJ Reddick the question in the
pre game that set him off? I didn't love the question. No,
I didn't like the way the question was asked. Yes,
agreed that was the problem.
Speaker 9 (42:05):
Because what he should have asked is simply ask what
you want to know, which is how did you guys
come to that decision? Was that your decision or was
that a collective decision to play the guys the entire
second half? Then you get to the heart of it
rather than the kind of around the corner. Are you
going to lean more on your assistant coaches?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Just ask the question?
Speaker 9 (42:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I mean I defended Reddick. I know that's not gonna
be popular when I go online. You know, people get angry.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I didn't think he had that bad of.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
A series, Rick like he had. No, the bench did
not exist, he did.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Not have that.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He did not have that bad of a series.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
For coach coaching in the playoffs for the first first,
but he failed the final exam. He went and he
went into the playoffs with a B plus a minus
from me, he ended up with a C plus. M.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Harsh took himself greater. Rick Buker, Fox Sports, NBA analysts
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