November 20, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin talks about Deion Sanders possibly becoming the next head coach of the Cowboys and why this is this the perfect match
The Lakers may have a new star player in Dalton Knecht
The Jets are a complete mess of an organization
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Here we go on a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day,
Joel Klapp. One hour from now, the latest installment, the
third installment of the college football twelve team Playoff, has out.
He got some strong opinions on that. In about five
or six minutes. The Los Angeles Lakers have perhaps found
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their new star. Connecting from three jamac our show yesterday,
as we are, I'm a prone to do, made a
little news yesterday. It happens regularly. Yeah, so yesterday the
playmaker one of the great receivers of all time, the Troygman,
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Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith Dallas Dallas Cowboys. Michael Irvin remains
relevant and interesting. So this past weekend he was going
to Cowboy games, and he was going to the Jake
Paul Tyson fight, and Michael Irvin also went to the
Colorado game. And there's been a lot of talk, and
I think it's obvious if you're paying attention, that McCarthy's
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out and they're looking for a rock star as a
head coach. Well, there's this guy named Dion Sanders, the
former Dallas Cowboy who has bet on himself his entire life,
Jackson State, Colorado. As a player, he was bouncing around
falcons to Cowboys and Niners and you very confident guy.
So there's this feeling that Dion, although Dion said I'm
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not interested, would be in line to get the Cowboys job.
And Michael Irvin was asked about that possibility.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
If Darry and the Cowboy's up there around one, they're
gonna get Shador. If you want somebody to follow footsteps,
you got your door, you get Dion.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I believe one hundred pluscent.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And I can tell you good sources have told me that.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, okay, that made news. Now Dion Sanders said, and
I'll quote him, Hey, I'm happy I've got my kickstand down.
You know what a kickstand is I'm resting it should
be duly noted that kickstands are always temporary. They're not
down forever. Somebody gets on that bike, and I am convinced.
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If Dallas gets the number one pick, and I think
they have a chance to I think they're going to
draft Shadeur Sanders and hire Deon Sanders's coach. The funniest
response to this is, well, well, Dak has a no
trade clause. Yes, so did Russell Wilson. You don't think
Dak would waive that in two seconds if they drafted
Shador Sanders. By the way, Aaron Rodgers March twenty twenty two,
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Packers signed him to the biggest annual payment deal in
the league at quarterback. By April of twenty twenty three,
he was a Jet. Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty nineteen remember him.
For about a minute, he was the highest paid quarterback.
Two years later they drafted Trey Lance. Again, Russell Wilson
had a no trade clause. Nobody cares be good now.
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Jared goffkint a new deal a couple years later, sent
him to Detroit, went and got Matt Stafford. Everything's negotiable.
Everything in life is negotiable, but especially at quarterback. I
mean Dak Prescott. They've been stringing him along for years
before his last contract. Dak Prescott is a grown up.
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My favorite part of Dak. He's reasonable, He's a grown up.
He understands the world and the way the game is played.
Here was Dak this summer.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I enjoy being a cowboy one thousand percent, joy living
and Dallas joy everything about it.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
But this is a business.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You think Dak's gonna get special treatment. Russell Wilson didn't,
Aaron Rodgers didn't, and they have trophies. That's the way
the world works. There's other stories out today. The Jets
are not going to remain in the Aaron Rodgers business.
So I'll say it again. If Dallas loses the next
two weeks and they're a ten point dog to the
Commanders this week, they will lose. And if they lose
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to the New York Giants at home, and doesn't matter
where it's at, Dallas gets hammered at home weekly. I
think they're a front runner for the number one pick
because the Jacksonvillees and the Tennessees have to play twice still,
so those guys are gonna win games like New England's
gonna win games, Cleveland's gonna win games. I'm not sure
Dallas does win another game if they lose on Thanksgiving
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next Thursday to the New York Giants. And to me,
it's the only way to assis escape the current mess.
Hire a rock star head coach and draft a rock
star quarterback on a rookie deal, because Dallas will probably
have to pay a big chunk of Dak's contract the
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Broncos did with Russell Wilson, and Russell can still play
and Dak can still play, but he'll be off his
second surgery. Dak lost his mobility off the first surgery,
and he is not good enough to elevate this roster.
They need a rock star coach and a rock star quarterback,
and as Michael Irvin said yesterday, he has it sourced.
They could get Dion Sanders. I don't know why anybody would,
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oh the no trade clause. People wave stuff in their
contracts all the time. Dak's not gonna sit behind and
be embarrassed on the bench. Cameras on him every thirty seconds.
Dak Prescott backing up the Dallas Cowboys, and they'll be
a market for Dak. People may not want to pay
for his contract, but by the way, they'll be no
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market for Russell Wilson. He's doing pretty well. There's always
a market in a sport where a third of the
teams are dreadful at quarterback. If somebody else is paying
the money, and Dallas will have to pay a lot
of the money, somebody will take Dak. They're not gonna
take Dak in his contract, but they'll take Dak. Okay,
So I thought this was interesting. So yesterday was the
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third installment of the college football twelve team playoff. Now
it's gonna change, you know, over the course of time,
but a lot of the favorites may not lose again
before the playoffs starting December twentieth. So my favorite the
most interesting part of this. For years and years, cold
weather teams Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan have complained, how
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come we always have to play the bowl games down
in SEC territory. Well, the weather's better. As of this morning,
if the playoffs started, Bama would have to go to
Notre Dame, Georgia would have to play at Penn State,
Ole Miss would have to go to Indiana, and some
he would have to go to Columbus, Ohio, all potentially
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minus four degrees in windy when the playoffs starts December twentieth.
No more Miami, New Orleans, Citrus Bowl, Orlando. It would
be the coldest game easily for any of those SEC athletes.
And by the way, I do not think what I'm
about to say as a coincidence. Do you know the
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five winningest teams in professional football in the last twenty
thirty years? Cold weather New England, cold weather Baltimore, cold weather,
Green Bay, cold weather, Pittsburgh, cold weather Philly and throwing
the Chiefs. You think it's cool, Well, how come there's
no dome teams? How come there's no warm weather teams
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because cold weather teams are fine going into warmer weather.
Go look at Tua who played high school football in
Hawaii and then went to warm weather SEC. He isable
under forty eight degrees. He's zero and six and that's
forty eight degrees. What if it's twelve, what if it's windy?
I mean, Tua is a completely different quarterback when he
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plays over forty eight degrees. He's a pro bowler, one
hundred passer rating, seventy percent completion under forty eight degrees.
He's brought Offsweiler, but for Shorter, I mean he literally
is a backup. So and you say, oh, it doesn't
make that big a deal. I think it's a five
point swing. And by the way, it doesn't mean Georgia
can't go up north and win. I'm not saying that,
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but it matters, and it matters a lot because when
you're older, you've traveled to different regions. But when you're eighteen, nineteen,
twenty years old, you're from a warm weather area. You
haven't necessarily in your off time or vacation time, gone
to Kansas City, Green Bay, Buffalo, or Baltimore. So I'm
not saying an seteam SEC team couldn't win, but I
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will say it is in my life it has been
an advantage that s teams and they're very good and
deserve all the respect, but they've often played their bowl games.
I mean, I was looking this morning. Georgia in the
last six years has played three Bowls in Atlanta, two
in New Orleans, and two in Miami. You don't think
it's a little bit of an advantage, not having to
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not having a trail, having more fans there, the weather
under control. I mean that that's now Oregon. I don't
worry about because Oregon plays in sloppy, wet weather. Uh,
you know, November fifth on, They'll be fine. They're actually
built for war more cold weather. They get a little
of both. But I that kind of jumped out to
me Joel Clatt in one hour, that kind of jumped
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out to me that I thought, you know, for years
the Big Ten fans complained about it. In a lot
of years, the SEC just had better players and better teams.
But it's an advantage. You know, people go look at
the history of the La Chargers than the San Diego Chargers.
When Dan Fouts and a Stack team had to go
play in Cincinnati, Go ask Dan about that. It matters.
Go ask two about playing in cold weather. I don't
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think it's a incidence that even in Pro football the
last twenty thirty years, New England, Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly,
Kansas City, and by the way, Josh Allen, in about
seven years they're gonna win thirteen games a year. Buffalo
will be in that group. That's the next group to
be in it. J Mack, you know you are a
basketball savant. Jay Mack, you love hoops, and you have
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been very excited about one Dalton Connect. Well, last night,
Dalton Connect. This is the kid, the rookie from Tennessee.
Now he had a very fascinating journey junior college, went
to like a Division two school, then he went to Tennessee.
So he had five years of college basketball. And what
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I love about Dalton Connect of the Lakers is that
it wasn't easy. He didn't go like high school G
league pro. He got beat up, he was doubted. People
rolled their eyes. But you and I were watching him
last year in the tournament and we were like, this
dude gets a bucket. Oh yeah, like he is hyper athletic. Well,
Lebron has been saying. Lebron said last year during March Madness,
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who's that dude at Tennessee. Well, now he's Lebron's teammate.
He went off last night, and we'll talk about that.
Have the Lakers found their next star? We'll talk about
that coming up.
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So one of the things that I've never understood is
Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner demonizing college basketball. I think
it's a great marketing tool. And there's there's so many
NBA players that you're seeing. There's a little pivot in
the NBA because the new CBA. The NBA has a
new CBA. Trading is harder, okay, so if you screw
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up draft picks, you're in trouble. So NBA teams the
smart ones. The Miami Heat did this last year. Jimi Howkez,
junior from UCLA, four years ready to play. You don't
get some immature g leaguer. You have to babysit in.
They went and got UCLA's best player four years of college. Dude,
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is a bucket first day in the league. Look at
the Lakers, Austin Reeves four years of college, ready to play.
Dalton connect actually five years of college. Last night thirty
seven points, rookie record ties at nine threes. Unbelievable and
Lebron loves him. Why because Lebron didn't like the Lonzo ball.
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He didn't like the immature guys. He's not a babysitter.
Lebron wants you to be able to play. He's got
things he's trying to attain, get out of his way
unless you can come in and play. And we saw
this last season again with the Miami Heat. Jimehawkkez Junior,
ready to play, Zach Edy four years at Purdue, ready
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to play. Maturity is undervalued. The new CBA is going
to make trades harder. That's why we have a term
Villanova guys. Because Jay Wright demanded you play defense. You
stayed in school, you had to go to class, you
had to grow up, you had to play well with
others on campus. The G League does not create all
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these stars. Derek White of the Celtics is another guy.
Had to go D two, then he transferred to Boulder,
then he has to go to a couple different NBA teams.
He's okay being a four or a five. He's a
great He's one of the best number fours I can
ever remember in the league. Kind of like a Rick Fox,
where you're like that guy could be a two on
some teams, he's a four or five sometimes on the Celtics.
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Don't babysit and coddle. The NBA does too much of it.
It's always getting this, getting this prospect because he's got
great handles, he's eighteen. You think Lebron and Ad and
Jannis want to play with eighteen and nineteen year olds,
they want to play with Dalton connect and Lebron said
after the game, I've been telling you guys for two years,
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this kid's the real deal, said it.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I watched him. I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched
Tennessee a lot. I did not think he was gonna
follow to us. I thought it would be impossible. I
have no idea how that happened, but very grateful, very
happy that he's here. I knew exactly what was getting when.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
He failed to seventeen Lebron, I knew exactly what I
was getting. I'd watched his game for years. Lakers are
only half a game out of first place. They've won
six straight and again, to me, he's a more talent
at Austin Reeves. Is that you're talking about a kid
who spent time. And ask yourself this. If you went
to college and you're listening to the show and you
came out after two semesters, do you think you were
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ready for the workplace or do you think three or
four years in college you were more ready for the workplace.
The NBA is a workplace, and if you're gonna go
to really good team, if you're good. James Wiseman bust
three games in college at Memphis. Scoot Henderson Portland goes
to the g lead. Oh tell what a player that
that guy is not ready to play? Could have use
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college this idea that we demonize college basketball. You get
better coaching on average, you get better training staffs, you
get better travel and the truth is you have to
kind of hang around other college students. It's a real life.
Didn't we all grow up more in that three to
four year period of college than any other time in
our life. You're on your own, first time away from
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your parents. You don't have track suit Tony Aau hanging around.
You're in college. The classes are hard, the professors are
demanding Dalton connect, Austin Reeves, Dereck why Zach Edi Hi
Mayhawks junior to me with the new CBA, stop demonizing
college basketball. You get I'll take Tom Izzo for three
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or four years. Go ask Draymond Green. You know that
the Golden State Warriors team that was so great, Klay Thompson,
Steph Curry stayed at school. Davidson, you got Draymond Green
stayed in school. You know who didn't, James Wiseman. He
couldn't figure out the league. He literally couldn't figure out
the offense. By the way, since they benched di'angelo Russell
a talented guy, but the knock has always been maturity
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and focus. Dalton Connect five years college, ready to play,
microwaven served, Ready to go. Jmack with a news. Turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
From one awesome team, the Lakers, to another, the Philadelphia Eagles.
I know they've had some up and downs under Sirianni,
but the numbers don't like Colin.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
He has been a juggernaut on the road.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Since taking over in twenty twenty one, Sirianni has Philly
twenty two to nine in road games. They're four and
one this season, including a neutral site home win in Brazil.
The Eagles are in La Sunday. Now, be careful with
this game. You know it's gonna be seventy percent Eagles
fans here. That's the Eagles fans travel well. You're looking
to get out of the East Coast, get to the
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West coast.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Sirianni talked about the big road matchups.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
It's just an opportunity for you to unite as a team,
lock arms as a team, and you know, have that
mental toughness, that dog mentality as far as understanding, you know,
just play the next play, Play the next play, control
what you can control, and unite as a team. And
so those are two of our big time core values
of you know, you know, connect and toughness and you know,
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and so we take pride in that. And I just
think it speaks volumes of our players and coaches that
you know that they're that they handle that.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, what happens if Nick hoist a super Bowl trophy?
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Then you didn't even have them in your top three
of the did you? You're still a little lukewarm on
the Eagles, are you not?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
No, I'm not lukewarm on the roster. I love the roster.
I love don't like the coach. That's not that I
don't like the coach. I think he's he is maturing. Generally,
you hire a coach for an organization like Philadelphia and
he's ready to go. This is an adult job. It's
not a player. He's a coach. So he's had moreultiple
coordinator jobs and he feels like a coach, you know,
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he Nick feels like he was a position coach and
then a coordinator. In his first year with a team,
he felt like almost a position coach and a coordinator
more than a head coach. I think he's had his
hands slapped a couple of times, and he's growing up.
So for the record, not everybody is absolutely ready for
an adult job when they're thirty five years old, So
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I get that. But you know, John with fans and
that stuff, you know, I don't like that stuff, that stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
How do you like this matchup with the Rams? This
is an interesting game? I just I think you I
don't see why it's two and a half. I'm surprised
the Eagles aren't three. Like they're much stronger in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Lit I watched Miami go to Los Angeles and completely
control the Rams, and I don't think Miami or the
Rams rosters compared to Philadelphia's. So I that's one of
my picks this week. I like Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Maybe I'm missing something.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Stafford and the wide receivers against the young whites or
whatever they call them, the cornerbacks for Philly. It's a
tough because I'll be rooting Rams. You know, I'm kind
of a Rams fan. Chargers same thing.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
But that's a great matchup.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And listen, Sirianni, we can bag on them all we want, Colin,
the numbers are there, numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I agree, I admit he can wear me out, but
the roster is it's very good.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Speaking of good, how about the opposite of that, that's
the Niners. My gosh, this is a mess right now, Colin.
Between injuries five and five, lack of focus from some players,
blowing fourth quarter leads, it's all bad. And quarterback one
of their top quarterbacks, Leonor, says the team is feeling
the urgency to finish games strong, saying we just don't finish.
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It's that time to come together and put teams to bed.
Look at that They've been favored in every game this season,
and now the Marcus is just selling them they're underdogs
for the first time. Now there is some brock purty
stuff going on. Shanahan said his shoulder. Yeah, this is
the line of the week that doesn't make sense either.
So I already told you Commanders minus ten I already
locked at in Washington. This is the other line that
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makes no sense. How are the Packers favored only by
less than a field goal at home against the team
that's reeling with an injured quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I do not get it. And by the way, the
Packers came off a game they did not play well
and they were physically dominated by Chicago, so they won.
But we've seen teams when they win and play poorly
often come back the next week, like the Detroit Lions
to Houston, won and played poorly, played their best game
of the year the following week. So I think Green
Bay is gonna smoke.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
It's also a revenge spot for that playoff loss where
they were in control of that game for the better
part of three quarters before Brockferdy woke up. But I
was reading some numbers on Fred Warner's defense this season
and falling off a cliff they got one of their
other quarterbacks is kind of a personal reason he's out.
Do we know if Kittle's coming back. A lot of
questions about ego. Something's going on in san for I
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don't know what it is, but it feels.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Like it's not just urgency for the Niners, it's urgent
for green Bay. Detroit and Minnesota keep winning. Green Bay
can't screw around. So this idea that all the urgencies
on San Francisco, I would argue it's the same urgency
for Green Bay. People are forgetting Minnesota's lost to the
Rams and Lions. That's it. Minnesota is right now looking
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like I mean, I'll tell you they're not going to
hoist the trophy. I wouldn't want to play Minnesota. I
wouldn't want to play those wide receivers in that offensive.
I mean, look at right now.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Vikings have their third straight road game this week against
the Bears. Interesting game, but I don't know your point
on the Niners. Do you remember when we did the
over under segment in August?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
I think it was August, maybe July.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I think we both love the Niners under because we
knew there would be some regression.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I had no idea what would be this bad. I mean, Colin,
they are a mediocre football team right now, right They
can't finish games. Guys are dinged up.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Something feels off with the Niners this year.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I can't put my finger on it, but you know
how Joe Douglas unloaded on the Jets to the athletic Obviously,
the anonymous source I wonder if we'll hear some stuff
about the Niners after the season, like something seems.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like I think they've missed. I think they gave up
too many draft picks for Trey Lance. In hindsight, I
think they've missed. I don't think Ricky Pearsoon should have
been the number one pick. I think, if you want to,
I think they should have gotten gotten an offensive lineman.
I don't think the old lines is tight. I think
Trent Williams has got old. I think Christian McCaffrey off
an injury, probably not going to be a great year.
So I just think it all it's the drip drip,
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drip effect. Just everything's a little less than last year.
Deebo's not one hundred kittles now heard a lot of
times a company struggles. It's not one thing. Everybody's looking
for one thing. It's just a series of events and
elements that aren't quite as tight as last year.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, all right, let's wrap up with the Cincinnati Bungles.
After Sunday Night lost to the Chargers, Jamar Chase was
asked about the team's inability to finish games, in which
case put the onus on Zach Taylor.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Saying, no, I don't know you guys why we can't
finish games.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Will Taylor addressed Chase his comments yesterday.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
He's emotional, you know, and when you got a guy
that works as hard as he does leaves it all
in the field. I do think things I don't want
to say misconstrued, but can can look differently than what
they really are. But again, he's a guy that is
one of the most genuine players I've ever been around,
and honest, insightful, puts it all out there for us.
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I don't have problems with guys that work as hard
as they do, speaking with emotion after the game, speaking
with passion.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I totally agree with Zach Taylor, who I like
and you don't. But I'll say this, in the media,
we have a responsibility to contextualize stuff. It's okay if
fans are crazy, but we have a responsibility to be
contextual contextualization, textualization experts. This is what we do. I
think about this all the time. When you put a
mic in front of the player after a game, don't
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crush him because it's not perfect or polished, or he
hasn't let it bake. He just lost He was take
one game a week. It's okay for a professional athlete.
I mean, you go when I see I always noticed
this at the Olympics. You literally train four years for
forty seconds and a guy runs a man or a
woman runs a two twenty, or they run an eight
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to eighty and you put a mic in their face
and you go, oh, you lost. What do you think? Well,
what do you think they think? They're pissed off? Like,
we have a job in the media to not overreact
to Sunday postgame comments by coaches and athletes. They have
a right. I mean. One of the things about athletes
that I always appreciate it they care so deeply. They're
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so committed. They're not Their job isn't to entertain me,
although I am entertained we should do a better job.
Fans can be crazy town. They'll go to the reddit board,
fire the coach. I get it. I don't even resent that.
Don't overvowed, don't don't over hype postgame comments.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
That being said, Colin, look at the Bengals losses this year.
They're one in six in close games one score games
one and six. We can't just blame the defense when
all those Why not?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's their defense that keeps letting up the league.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I mean, okay, the offense poop their pants in the
opener against the Bangal against the Patriots, couldn't do a
damn thing at home. Okay, I'll give you the Chiefs
loss right the close loss of the Chiefs that was
on the phantom flag with fourth and sixteen at the
end the Washington game, I don't know. I mean the
defense did let Jadon Daniels run up and down the field. Fine,
Captain lou you screwed up. But look at these other ones.
The Baltimore game that was on the offense, well, bar
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Burrough made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Bolt, you know who. Here's who I would blame in Cincinnati.
The ownership that doesn't have an outdoor facility yet the
only Northern tier team in the league without one. Cheap ownership, Yeah,
gave away for a seventh round pick. Joe Mixon gave away.
So don't blame the coaching the players because ownership is
cheap and you let go of players. I've said this before.
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How can Philadelphia and San Francisco have stacked rosters? Me
in Philadelphia's paying Jalen hurts Man you start looking at
these Detroit's paying Jared Goff. How do all these teams
have stacked rosters. Cincinnati hasn't even paid Jamar Chaser T. H.
Haggins yet, and they're already bailing on players. They're not
even paying their star receivers yet. Cheap owners.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
So the one thing that annoys me with what we
when we have our little back and forice is you're
willing to blame everybody accept the coach here ownership defense.
Burrow makes a mistake. Evan McPherson shanks too kick why
I don't. But like Zach Taylor, how are you giving
him no no blame? By the way, Bengals fans not
besides our producer here who loves them.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Bengals fans online are over Taylor. They're done. They've seen
enough close choked city losses by the.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Head fans, ye are overtake the reddit board guys, they
fam are over Ryan Day every time he loses one
game a year. In Columbus's slightly we we do not
hold fans. They have every right to be hyperbolic, but
we don't hold them to the same standard. We again,
are paid to contextualize and not be scare on fire
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for every coach that has a three game losing stream.
Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Heard Line News. By the way,
I saw this, this is not a little thing. It
is official. Now. This is something I started talking about
last year. I said, stop calling the Cowboys America's team.
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They're not They're not fun to watch. I mean Tennessee Titans,
Dallas Cowboys. It's the same thing. It's a corner TV game,
like like if you have three TVs, you're not putting
the Cowboys front and center. They're boring. Tennessee's boring, Cleveland's boring.
We all know the boring team. The New York Giants
are boring. The Kansas City Chiefs average viewers per NFL
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game seventeen and a half million, forty seven of their
fifty NFL games shown on TV. The highest ranked games.
I'm looking at him. Here the top five games so
far the NFL season. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati,
Kansas City, Kansas City, San Francisco, and then Ravens Dallas,
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which was shocking. Dallas lost. So I Jerry Jones sees
this we have always said on the show, Jerry Jones
loves attention, seeks it. Jerry sees this, he knows what's happening.
What is the way to make the Cowboys in three
months fascinating for TV viewers? The guy behind me, Deon Sanders,
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that's how you make the Cowboys fascinating. I love Mike Vrabel.
He didn't make him fascinating. Belichick doesn't make him fascinating.
Guy wearing the cowboy hat, the former cowboy, you hire him?
That his must watch. Vrabel's good. It's not must watch
Belichick kind of must watch but not totally charismatic. Deon
Sanders gets named the head coach. I'm telling you it is.
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I saw those numbers. That is a real thing. The
Cowboys are not America's team. The Kansas City Chiefs are,
by the way, and it's not just that the Chiefs
are winning, but they're also fascinating to watch. When the
Patriots had Brady, they weren't know was the highest rated team.
I mean it was do your job, be efficient, be smart,
take pay cuts. San Antonio Spurs were not a fascinating dynasty.
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The Warriors were. Shaq and Kobe were so not all
winning teams. I mean, the Pittsburgh Steelers get good ratings,
but Kansas City is a fascinating, clever, creative, star quarterback franchise.
In fact, I wouldn't even put the Dallas Cowboys two.
I would put Kansas City one. I think, I honestly
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think there's an argument that Philadelphia and San Francisco, depending
on who they match up against. I think Lamar Jackson,
I think Josh Allen. I think they have pull for
me personally. My favorite watches in the league are Buffalo,
Kansas City, and Baltimore because I get Lamar Josh. I
love Lamar Jackson, I love Josh, I love Mahomes. I
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like quarterbacks, so I don't care how good your roster is.
Brock Perty doesn't get me to a television set. I'll
watch the Niners, but the five and five Niners they're
just this year. They're not very interesting. They've got to
win to be fascinating. So Jmack didn't like my takes.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
How are the Chiefs one of your top three watches?
I'm just talking this year.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I get right now because I get the greatest coach,
arguably ever, and the greatest quarterback arguably ever. I got
Taylor Swift waving at me every time I try to
TV you.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Mesa Taylor Swift. I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I was thinking about the mortals like Kareem Hunt and
Noah Gray and Juju's. I mean their skill position players stink.
They couldn't move a football on the bills. But Taylor Swift,
So I will. I will concede.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You're onto something there.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Chiefs probably is they've won fifteen to sixteen games. I
like winners. I like watching success. I like watching people
who are excellent their crest.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Even if it's kind of a boring slog. You know
what a lucky win. In overtime of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
They block kicks on the last play. Oh look, that's
pretty exciting to me.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
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Speaker 7 (31:36):
The matchup we've all been waiting for us here on Big.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Noon Saturday, second ranked Ohio State takes on undefeated fifth
ranked Indiana in one of the season's biggest games. That
all kicks off live from Columbus at ten am with
Big Noon Kickoff. Then don't miss Indianna verse Ohio State
at noon only.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
On FOC Ohio State. It's a thirteen point favorite. Who
you got in that one? Indiana and the points?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
You wait, just the points or win outright.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Make a prediction Friday. That's a lot of points to
give Indiana. By the way, Ohio State's got much better players,
but they had much better players than Michigan two of
the final three years they played them. Coaching matters. It
matters a lot.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Is Jim Harbaugh coaching Indiana?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I don't know the guy. They got pretty good, so
I have for a year. So Jmack wants to just
fire coaches, and I'm like, it sends a terrible message. Hey,
there have been times in my life where I'm looking
for work. One of the first things I look at,
do I trust the management? They know what they're doing?
As a sea of money out there for people, there's
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not a sea of great management, Like do they know
what they're doing? You start firing coaches and the best
candidates are like, I'm not taking my family to that.
My wife. I'm not going to get my wife in
a new place, in a new neighborhood and ask her
to make all and then I got the you know
this coach's owners doing crazy impulsive stuff, and I think
it's a real thing. That's my take is always, in
very few instances do I watch a coach and go, yeah,
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this is not working. I mean, Freddie Kitchen's in Cleveland,
that's not working. Jim tom suis San Francisco, that ain't working.
But in most instance, everybody wants thrown off. Brian Kelly
at LSU and Lincoln Riley Jim Harbaugh's third year at Michigan,
they pulled back in one eight games. Take a deep breath.
So this story is so bad for the Jets and
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their brand. What coach would want to be in this mess? So,
according to the athletics sources At the athletic multiple sources,
after they lost to Denver, Woody Johnson wanted to bench
Aaron Rodgers now that it was a typhoon. Neither team
could move the ball. It was a ten to nine game,
Jets lost. Apparently everybody was in this thing. Sala was
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in it, Joe Douglas was in it, the team president
was in it. A couple of the owners were in it.
Everybody talked Woody Johnson off the cliff. They're like, no, no, no,
don't do that. Don't do that. So there's a couple
of things here that looks terrible for the organization. Terrible.
It's a circus. The other thing is no owner in
Green Bay is better than almost every situation in the league.
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There's probably six great owners, like there's six great coaches
and six great quarterbacks, ten good gms, or maybe six
good owners. It's crazy town, the b Club, the billionaires,
crazy town. So but Woody Johnson flew to Malibu. They
played to Aaron Rodgers vanity. We all love that he
bit on it and went from non chaos to chaos.
(34:35):
So two things to learn. Number one, the grass is
noways greener now a lot of times it is. I
have no problem with people taking big swings in life.
Sometimes the grass is greener. But having no owner is
clearly better than having Woody Johnson. And the second thing
is darkness. Retreats in Ayahuasca clearly don't equal better decisions.
(34:56):
They may make it happier, lose some weight, some clarity,
they don't make you make good decisions. Because the Jets
have always been a circus under Woody Johnson. And I
think a lot of this with Aaron was the fight
for control. It doomed Pete Carroll and Seattle. It doomed
Belichick in New England. And I think Aaron wanted control.
I want Randall Cobp, I want al Lazard, I want
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my buddy. Aaron didn't have that control in Green Bay,
and he wanted it. Well, guess what, You're an athlete,
not a general manager. Remember when Lebron told pat Riley
Draftschabaz Napier. Right, Like coaches coach, players play GMSGM, each
of those individually are very hard. I don't want my
players being my gms. I don't want my coaches being
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my players. So separation every one of them their own
silo is not a bad thing. I don't want my
chef necessarily owning the restaurant. I want a restaurant owner.
I want a chef, I want a host. How many
restaurants bank won't Banks won't give restaurants loans? Why because
you got a star chef that wants to own it
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and operationally didn't know what he's doing. She didn't know
what they're doing. Chefs don't make great owners of restaurants.
They all think they are, but most don't. But I
think the real issue here if we can bang on Aaron,
and I will say Michael Irvin made a great point yesterday.
I thought this was really smart on why the Aaron
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Jets thing didn't work.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
The Jets, I said, messed up when they tried to
make Aaron Rodgers the main thing instead of keeping their
main thing as the main thing. They were primarily a
running run team that played great defense that needed some
guidance at quarterback. They allowed Aaron Rodgers to pull them
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into his fight of trying to prove to everybody, to
woke crowd in Green Bay that I still have it,
instead of Aaron Rodgers being added to their fight.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
This is really interesting. There's a distinction. The Steelers had
their culture toughness defense. They asked Russell Wilson to clean
up the offense. They didn't build the culture around Russell Wilson.
The Jets had a culture tough and physical run game,
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and yet they gave up their identity to Aaron Rodgers.
This whole savior thing is nonsense. Matt Stafford wasn't a
savior for the Rams. He was an upgraded quarterback. Tom
Brady didn't save Bruce arians He already had a Trophy.
Jason light was one of the best gms. The Tampa
Bay roster was excellent. That's why Brady went there. They
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needed a right tackle, the drafted Tristan Wurse. They needed
another running back. They got Lenny Furnett, and then Tom said, hey,
give me a veteran tight end who can block in Gronk.
And they talked Dronk out of like a retirement, like
that's what they needed. Tom wasn't saving them. Tampa had
all sorts of talents, had talent Denver didn't. Russell tried
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to be a savior in Pittsburgh. It bombed because they
needed a savior. Pittsburgh didn't didn't need a savior. Just
clean our offense up, drive us down the field, be
good in the fourth quarter, don't turn the ball over
and hit the deep ball. And that's all Russell's done.
So there's also this to throw out there. According to
Connor Hughes of s n Y, he was told by
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sources the team prefers prefers to move on not only
from Sala and Joe Douglas, but Aaron Rodgers too. So whatever,
he'll have a market, Believe me, he'll have a market. Okay,
so I got, I got, Well, you don't mean he'll
have a market.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Somebody's gonna want Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Who There's eight teams now desperate for a quarterback, and
you want this guy at There's eight teams that need
a quarterback. Shador Sanders and the kid at Miami cam
Mood the only two college quarterbacks ready to play. Sam
Darnold will be on the market. That's three. There's five
more teams that need to court.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
Daniel Jones or Aaron Aaron Rodgers. I'm not touching Aaron Rodgers, colin,
no way.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Come on, What is he shown to you that he's
ready to be an NFL quarterback this season?
Speaker 7 (39:16):
What is he shown?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Eight teams need one?
Speaker 7 (39:21):
All right, that's gotta be it. That's gotta be some
kind of friendly wager.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I'm saying, there's just no way, no way anybody touches Rogers.
Come on, you say eighteens, name one, name one Raiders.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
You think the Raiders are going for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Hey, if Cleveland goes for a quarterback, that could be nineties.
Stop stop, I'm just I'm just throwing out.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Way, no, no, Deshaun Watson got a guaranteed.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
D He was in his prime. He was like twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
With all that baggage.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Rogers, doesn't that baggage.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Aaron's gonna have a market, a small one, well,
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Joel Klapp. One hour from now, the latest installment, the
third installment of the college football twelve team Playoff, has out.
He got some strong opinions on that. In about five
or six minutes. The Los Angeles Lakers have perhaps found
(00:47):
their new star. Connecting from three jamac our show yesterday,
as we are, I'm a prone to do, made a
little news yesterday. It happens regularly. Yeah, so yesterday the
playmaker one of the great receivers of all time, the Troygman,
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Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith Dallas Dallas Cowboys. Michael Irvin remains
relevant and interesting. So this past weekend he was going
to Cowboy games, and he was going to the Jake
Paul Tyson fight, and Michael Irvin also went to the
Colorado game. And there's been a lot of talk, and
I think it's obvious if you're paying attention, that McCarthy's
(01:31):
out and they're looking for a rock star as a
head coach. Well, there's this guy named Dion Sanders, the
former Dallas Cowboy who has bet on himself his entire life,
Jackson State, Colorado. As a player, he was bouncing around
falcons to Cowboys and Niners and you very confident guy.
So there's this feeling that Dion, although Dion said I'm
(01:53):
not interested, would be in line to get the Cowboys job.
And Michael Irvin was asked about that possibility.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
If Darry and the Cowboy's up there around one, they're
gonna get Shador. If you want somebody to follow footsteps,
you got your door, you get Dion.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I believe one hundred pluscent.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And I can tell you good sources have told me that.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, okay, that made news. Now Dion Sanders said, and
I'll quote him, Hey, I'm happy I've got my kickstand down.
You know what a kickstand is I'm resting it should
be duly noted that kickstands are always temporary. They're not
down forever. Somebody gets on that bike, and I am convinced.
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If Dallas gets the number one pick, and I think
they have a chance to I think they're going to
draft Shadeur Sanders and hire Deon Sanders's coach. The funniest
response to this is, well, well, Dak has a no
trade clause. Yes, so did Russell Wilson. You don't think
Dak would waive that in two seconds if they drafted
Shador Sanders. By the way, Aaron Rodgers March twenty twenty two,
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Packers signed him to the biggest annual payment deal in
the league at quarterback. By April of twenty twenty three,
he was a Jet. Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty nineteen remember him.
For about a minute, he was the highest paid quarterback.
Two years later they drafted Trey Lance. Again, Russell Wilson
had a no trade clause. Nobody cares be good now.
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Jared goffkint a new deal a couple years later, sent
him to Detroit, went and got Matt Stafford. Everything's negotiable.
Everything in life is negotiable, but especially at quarterback. I
mean Dak Prescott. They've been stringing him along for years
before his last contract. Dak Prescott is a grown up.
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My favorite part of Dak. He's reasonable, He's a grown up.
He understands the world and the way the game is played.
Here was Dak this summer.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I enjoy being a cowboy one thousand percent, joy living
and Dallas joy everything about it.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
But this is a business.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You think Dak's gonna get special treatment. Russell Wilson didn't,
Aaron Rodgers didn't, and they have trophies. That's the way
the world works. There's other stories out today. The Jets
are not going to remain in the Aaron Rodgers business.
So I'll say it again. If Dallas loses the next
two weeks and they're a ten point dog to the
Commanders this week, they will lose. And if they lose
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to the New York Giants at home, and doesn't matter
where it's at, Dallas gets hammered at home weekly. I
think they're a front runner for the number one pick
because the Jacksonvillees and the Tennessees have to play twice still,
so those guys are gonna win games like New England's
gonna win games, Cleveland's gonna win games. I'm not sure
Dallas does win another game if they lose on Thanksgiving
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next Thursday to the New York Giants. And to me,
it's the only way to assis escape the current mess.
Hire a rock star head coach and draft a rock
star quarterback on a rookie deal, because Dallas will probably
have to pay a big chunk of Dak's contract the
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Broncos did with Russell Wilson, and Russell can still play
and Dak can still play, but he'll be off his
second surgery. Dak lost his mobility off the first surgery,
and he is not good enough to elevate this roster.
They need a rock star coach and a rock star quarterback,
and as Michael Irvin said yesterday, he has it sourced.
They could get Dion Sanders. I don't know why anybody would,
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oh the no trade clause. People wave stuff in their
contracts all the time. Dak's not gonna sit behind and
be embarrassed on the bench. Cameras on him every thirty seconds.
Dak Prescott backing up the Dallas Cowboys, and they'll be
a market for Dak. People may not want to pay
for his contract, but by the way, they'll be no
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market for Russell Wilson. He's doing pretty well. There's always
a market in a sport where a third of the
teams are dreadful at quarterback. If somebody else is paying
the money, and Dallas will have to pay a lot
of the money, somebody will take Dak. They're not gonna
take Dak in his contract, but they'll take Dak. Okay,
So I thought this was interesting. So yesterday was the
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third installment of the college football twelve team playoff. Now
it's gonna change, you know, over the course of time,
but a lot of the favorites may not lose again
before the playoffs starting December twentieth. So my favorite the
most interesting part of this. For years and years, cold
weather teams Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan have complained, how
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come we always have to play the bowl games down
in SEC territory. Well, the weather's better. As of this morning,
if the playoffs started, Bama would have to go to
Notre Dame, Georgia would have to play at Penn State,
Ole Miss would have to go to Indiana, and some
he would have to go to Columbus, Ohio, all potentially
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minus four degrees in windy when the playoffs starts December twentieth.
No more Miami, New Orleans, Citrus Bowl, Orlando. It would
be the coldest game easily for any of those SEC athletes.
And by the way, I do not think what I'm
about to say as a coincidence. Do you know the
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five winningest teams in professional football in the last twenty
thirty years? Cold weather New England, cold weather Baltimore, cold weather,
Green Bay, cold weather, Pittsburgh, cold weather Philly and throwing
the Chiefs. You think it's cool, Well, how come there's
no dome teams? How come there's no warm weather teams
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because cold weather teams are fine going into warmer weather.
Go look at Tua who played high school football in
Hawaii and then went to warm weather SEC. He isable
under forty eight degrees. He's zero and six and that's
forty eight degrees. What if it's twelve, what if it's windy?
I mean, Tua is a completely different quarterback when he
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plays over forty eight degrees. He's a pro bowler, one
hundred passer rating, seventy percent completion under forty eight degrees.
He's brought Offsweiler, but for Shorter, I mean he literally
is a backup. So and you say, oh, it doesn't
make that big a deal. I think it's a five
point swing. And by the way, it doesn't mean Georgia
can't go up north and win. I'm not saying that,
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but it matters, and it matters a lot because when
you're older, you've traveled to different regions. But when you're eighteen, nineteen,
twenty years old, you're from a warm weather area. You
haven't necessarily in your off time or vacation time, gone
to Kansas City, Green Bay, Buffalo, or Baltimore. So I'm
not saying an seteam SEC team couldn't win, but I
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will say it is in my life it has been
an advantage that s teams and they're very good and
deserve all the respect, but they've often played their bowl games.
I mean, I was looking this morning. Georgia in the
last six years has played three Bowls in Atlanta, two
in New Orleans, and two in Miami. You don't think
it's a little bit of an advantage, not having to
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not having a trail, having more fans there, the weather
under control. I mean that that's now Oregon. I don't
worry about because Oregon plays in sloppy, wet weather. Uh,
you know, November fifth on, They'll be fine. They're actually
built for war more cold weather. They get a little
of both. But I that kind of jumped out to
me Joel Clatt in one hour, that kind of jumped
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out to me that I thought, you know, for years
the Big Ten fans complained about it. In a lot
of years, the SEC just had better players and better teams.
But it's an advantage. You know, people go look at
the history of the La Chargers than the San Diego Chargers.
When Dan Fouts and a Stack team had to go
play in Cincinnati, Go ask Dan about that. It matters.
Go ask two about playing in cold weather. I don't
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think it's a incidence that even in Pro football the
last twenty thirty years, New England, Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly,
Kansas City, and by the way, Josh Allen, in about
seven years they're gonna win thirteen games a year. Buffalo
will be in that group. That's the next group to
be in it. J Mack, you know you are a
basketball savant. Jay Mack, you love hoops, and you have
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been very excited about one Dalton Connect. Well, last night,
Dalton Connect. This is the kid, the rookie from Tennessee.
Now he had a very fascinating journey junior college, went
to like a Division two school, then he went to Tennessee.
So he had five years of college basketball. And what
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I love about Dalton Connect of the Lakers is that
it wasn't easy. He didn't go like high school G
league pro. He got beat up, he was doubted. People
rolled their eyes. But you and I were watching him
last year in the tournament and we were like, this
dude gets a bucket. Oh yeah, like he is hyper athletic. Well,
Lebron has been saying. Lebron said last year during March Madness,
(11:05):
who's that dude at Tennessee. Well, now he's Lebron's teammate.
He went off last night, and we'll talk about that.
Have the Lakers found their next star? We'll talk about
that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (11:25):
So one of the things that I've never understood is
Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner demonizing college basketball. I think
it's a great marketing tool. And there's there's so many
NBA players that you're seeing. There's a little pivot in
the NBA because the new CBA. The NBA has a
new CBA. Trading is harder, okay, so if you screw
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up draft picks, you're in trouble. So NBA teams the
smart ones. The Miami Heat did this last year. Jimi Howkez,
junior from UCLA, four years ready to play. You don't
get some immature g leaguer. You have to babysit in.
They went and got UCLA's best player four years of college. Dude,
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is a bucket first day in the league. Look at
the Lakers, Austin Reeves four years of college, ready to play.
Dalton connect actually five years of college. Last night thirty
seven points, rookie record ties at nine threes. Unbelievable and
Lebron loves him. Why because Lebron didn't like the Lonzo ball.
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He didn't like the immature guys. He's not a babysitter.
Lebron wants you to be able to play. He's got
things he's trying to attain, get out of his way
unless you can come in and play. And we saw
this last season again with the Miami Heat. Jimehawkkez Junior,
ready to play, Zach Edy four years at Purdue, ready
(12:50):
to play. Maturity is undervalued. The new CBA is going
to make trades harder. That's why we have a term
Villanova guys. Because Jay Wright demanded you play defense. You
stayed in school, you had to go to class, you
had to grow up, you had to play well with
others on campus. The G League does not create all
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these stars. Derek White of the Celtics is another guy.
Had to go D two, then he transferred to Boulder,
then he has to go to a couple different NBA teams.
He's okay being a four or a five. He's a
great He's one of the best number fours I can
ever remember in the league. Kind of like a Rick Fox,
where you're like that guy could be a two on
some teams, he's a four or five sometimes on the Celtics.
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Don't babysit and coddle. The NBA does too much of it.
It's always getting this, getting this prospect because he's got
great handles, he's eighteen. You think Lebron and Ad and
Jannis want to play with eighteen and nineteen year olds,
they want to play with Dalton connect and Lebron said
after the game, I've been telling you guys for two years,
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this kid's the real deal, said it.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I watched him. I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched
Tennessee a lot. I did not think he was gonna
follow to us. I thought it would be impossible. I
have no idea how that happened, but very grateful, very
happy that he's here. I knew exactly what was getting when.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
He failed to seventeen Lebron, I knew exactly what I
was getting. I'd watched his game for years. Lakers are
only half a game out of first place. They've won
six straight and again, to me, he's a more talent
at Austin Reeves. Is that you're talking about a kid
who spent time. And ask yourself this. If you went
to college and you're listening to the show and you
came out after two semesters, do you think you were
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ready for the workplace or do you think three or
four years in college you were more ready for the workplace.
The NBA is a workplace, and if you're gonna go
to really good team, if you're good. James Wiseman bust
three games in college at Memphis. Scoot Henderson Portland goes
to the g lead. Oh tell what a player that
that guy is not ready to play? Could have use
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college this idea that we demonize college basketball. You get
better coaching on average, you get better training staffs, you
get better travel and the truth is you have to
kind of hang around other college students. It's a real life.
Didn't we all grow up more in that three to
four year period of college than any other time in
our life. You're on your own, first time away from
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your parents. You don't have track suit Tony Aau hanging around.
You're in college. The classes are hard, the professors are
demanding Dalton connect, Austin Reeves, Dereck why Zach Edi Hi
Mayhawks junior to me with the new CBA, stop demonizing
college basketball. You get I'll take Tom Izzo for three
(15:46):
or four years. Go ask Draymond Green. You know that
the Golden State Warriors team that was so great, Klay Thompson,
Steph Curry stayed at school. Davidson, you got Draymond Green
stayed in school. You know who didn't, James Wiseman. He
couldn't figure out the league. He literally couldn't figure out
the offense. By the way, since they benched di'angelo Russell
a talented guy, but the knock has always been maturity
(16:08):
and focus. Dalton Connect five years college, ready to play,
microwaven served, Ready to go. Jmack with a news. Turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
From one awesome team, the Lakers, to another, the Philadelphia Eagles.
I know they've had some up and downs under Sirianni,
but the numbers don't like Colin.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
He has been a juggernaut on the road.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Since taking over in twenty twenty one, Sirianni has Philly
twenty two to nine in road games. They're four and
one this season, including a neutral site home win in Brazil.
The Eagles are in La Sunday. Now, be careful with
this game. You know it's gonna be seventy percent Eagles
fans here. That's the Eagles fans travel well. You're looking
to get out of the East Coast, get to the
(16:54):
West coast.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Sirianni talked about the big road matchups.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
It's just an opportunity for you to unite as a team,
lock arms as a team, and you know, have that
mental toughness, that dog mentality as far as understanding, you know,
just play the next play, Play the next play, control
what you can control, and unite as a team. And
so those are two of our big time core values
of you know, you know, connect and toughness and you know,
(17:22):
and so we take pride in that. And I just
think it speaks volumes of our players and coaches that
you know that they're that they handle that.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, what happens if Nick hoist a super Bowl trophy?
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Then you didn't even have them in your top three
of the did you? You're still a little lukewarm on
the Eagles, are you not?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
No, I'm not lukewarm on the roster. I love the roster.
I love don't like the coach. That's not that I
don't like the coach. I think he's he is maturing. Generally,
you hire a coach for an organization like Philadelphia and
he's ready to go. This is an adult job. It's
not a player. He's a coach. So he's had moreultiple
coordinator jobs and he feels like a coach, you know,
(18:04):
he Nick feels like he was a position coach and
then a coordinator. In his first year with a team,
he felt like almost a position coach and a coordinator
more than a head coach. I think he's had his
hands slapped a couple of times, and he's growing up.
So for the record, not everybody is absolutely ready for
an adult job when they're thirty five years old, So
(18:25):
I get that. But you know, John with fans and
that stuff, you know, I don't like that stuff, that stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
How do you like this matchup with the Rams? This
is an interesting game? I just I think you I
don't see why it's two and a half. I'm surprised
the Eagles aren't three. Like they're much stronger in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Lit I watched Miami go to Los Angeles and completely
control the Rams, and I don't think Miami or the
Rams rosters compared to Philadelphia's. So I that's one of
my picks this week. I like Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Maybe I'm missing something.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Stafford and the wide receivers against the young whites or
whatever they call them, the cornerbacks for Philly. It's a
tough because I'll be rooting Rams. You know, I'm kind
of a Rams fan. Chargers same thing.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
But that's a great matchup.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And listen, Sirianni, we can bag on them all we want, Colin,
the numbers are there, numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I agree, I admit he can wear me out, but
the roster is it's very good.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Speaking of good, how about the opposite of that, that's
the Niners. My gosh, this is a mess right now, Colin.
Between injuries five and five, lack of focus from some players,
blowing fourth quarter leads, it's all bad. And quarterback one
of their top quarterbacks, Leonor, says the team is feeling
the urgency to finish games strong, saying we just don't finish.
(19:44):
It's that time to come together and put teams to bed.
Look at that They've been favored in every game this season,
and now the Marcus is just selling them they're underdogs
for the first time. Now there is some brock purty
stuff going on. Shanahan said his shoulder. Yeah, this is
the line of the week that doesn't make sense either.
So I already told you Commanders minus ten I already
locked at in Washington. This is the other line that
(20:05):
makes no sense. How are the Packers favored only by
less than a field goal at home against the team
that's reeling with an injured quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I do not get it. And by the way, the
Packers came off a game they did not play well
and they were physically dominated by Chicago, so they won.
But we've seen teams when they win and play poorly
often come back the next week, like the Detroit Lions
to Houston, won and played poorly, played their best game
of the year the following week. So I think Green
Bay is gonna smoke.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
It's also a revenge spot for that playoff loss where
they were in control of that game for the better
part of three quarters before Brockferdy woke up. But I
was reading some numbers on Fred Warner's defense this season
and falling off a cliff they got one of their
other quarterbacks is kind of a personal reason he's out.
Do we know if Kittle's coming back. A lot of
questions about ego. Something's going on in san for I
(20:55):
don't know what it is, but it feels.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Like it's not just urgency for the Niners, it's urgent
for green Bay. Detroit and Minnesota keep winning. Green Bay
can't screw around. So this idea that all the urgencies
on San Francisco, I would argue it's the same urgency
for Green Bay. People are forgetting Minnesota's lost to the
Rams and Lions. That's it. Minnesota is right now looking
(21:19):
like I mean, I'll tell you they're not going to
hoist the trophy. I wouldn't want to play Minnesota. I
wouldn't want to play those wide receivers in that offensive.
I mean, look at right now.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Vikings have their third straight road game this week against
the Bears. Interesting game, but I don't know your point
on the Niners. Do you remember when we did the
over under segment in August?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
I think it was August, maybe July.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I think we both love the Niners under because we
knew there would be some regression.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I had no idea what would be this bad. I mean, Colin,
they are a mediocre football team right now, right They
can't finish games. Guys are dinged up.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Something feels off with the Niners this year.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I can't put my finger on it, but you know
how Joe Douglas unloaded on the Jets to the athletic Obviously,
the anonymous source I wonder if we'll hear some stuff
about the Niners after the season, like something seems.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like I think they've missed. I think they gave up
too many draft picks for Trey Lance. In hindsight, I
think they've missed. I don't think Ricky Pearsoon should have
been the number one pick. I think, if you want to,
I think they should have gotten gotten an offensive lineman.
I don't think the old lines is tight. I think
Trent Williams has got old. I think Christian McCaffrey off
an injury, probably not going to be a great year.
So I just think it all it's the drip drip,
(22:27):
drip effect. Just everything's a little less than last year.
Deebo's not one hundred kittles now heard a lot of
times a company struggles. It's not one thing. Everybody's looking
for one thing. It's just a series of events and
elements that aren't quite as tight as last year.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, all right, let's wrap up with the Cincinnati Bungles.
After Sunday Night lost to the Chargers, Jamar Chase was
asked about the team's inability to finish games, in which
case put the onus on Zach Taylor.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Saying, no, I don't know you guys why we can't
finish games.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Will Taylor addressed Chase his comments yesterday.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
He's emotional, you know, and when you got a guy
that works as hard as he does leaves it all
in the field. I do think things I don't want
to say misconstrued, but can can look differently than what
they really are. But again, he's a guy that is
one of the most genuine players I've ever been around,
and honest, insightful, puts it all out there for us.
(23:28):
I don't have problems with guys that work as hard
as they do, speaking with emotion after the game, speaking
with passion.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I totally agree with Zach Taylor, who I like
and you don't. But I'll say this, in the media,
we have a responsibility to contextualize stuff. It's okay if
fans are crazy, but we have a responsibility to be
contextual contextualization, textualization experts. This is what we do. I
think about this all the time. When you put a
mic in front of the player after a game, don't
(24:01):
crush him because it's not perfect or polished, or he
hasn't let it bake. He just lost He was take
one game a week. It's okay for a professional athlete.
I mean, you go when I see I always noticed
this at the Olympics. You literally train four years for
forty seconds and a guy runs a man or a
woman runs a two twenty, or they run an eight
(24:23):
to eighty and you put a mic in their face
and you go, oh, you lost. What do you think? Well,
what do you think they think? They're pissed off? Like,
we have a job in the media to not overreact
to Sunday postgame comments by coaches and athletes. They have
a right. I mean. One of the things about athletes
that I always appreciate it they care so deeply. They're
(24:44):
so committed. They're not Their job isn't to entertain me,
although I am entertained we should do a better job.
Fans can be crazy town. They'll go to the reddit board,
fire the coach. I get it. I don't even resent that.
Don't overvowed, don't don't over hype postgame comments.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
That being said, Colin, look at the Bengals losses this year.
They're one in six in close games one score games
one and six. We can't just blame the defense when
all those Why not?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's their defense that keeps letting up the league.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I mean, okay, the offense poop their pants in the
opener against the Bangal against the Patriots, couldn't do a
damn thing at home. Okay, I'll give you the Chiefs
loss right the close loss of the Chiefs that was
on the phantom flag with fourth and sixteen at the
end the Washington game, I don't know. I mean the
defense did let Jadon Daniels run up and down the field. Fine,
Captain lou you screwed up. But look at these other ones.
The Baltimore game that was on the offense, well, bar
(25:41):
Burrough made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Bolt, you know who. Here's who I would blame in Cincinnati.
The ownership that doesn't have an outdoor facility yet the
only Northern tier team in the league without one. Cheap ownership, Yeah,
gave away for a seventh round pick. Joe Mixon gave away.
So don't blame the coaching the players because ownership is
cheap and you let go of players. I've said this before.
(26:06):
How can Philadelphia and San Francisco have stacked rosters? Me
in Philadelphia's paying Jalen hurts Man you start looking at
these Detroit's paying Jared Goff. How do all these teams
have stacked rosters. Cincinnati hasn't even paid Jamar Chaser T. H.
Haggins yet, and they're already bailing on players. They're not
even paying their star receivers yet. Cheap owners.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
So the one thing that annoys me with what we
when we have our little back and forice is you're
willing to blame everybody accept the coach here ownership defense.
Burrow makes a mistake. Evan McPherson shanks too kick why
I don't. But like Zach Taylor, how are you giving
him no no blame? By the way, Bengals fans not
besides our producer here who loves them.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Bengals fans online are over Taylor. They're done. They've seen
enough close choked city losses by the.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Head fans, ye are overtake the reddit board guys, they
fam are over Ryan Day every time he loses one
game a year. In Columbus's slightly we we do not
hold fans. They have every right to be hyperbolic, but
we don't hold them to the same standard. We again,
are paid to contextualize and not be scare on fire
(27:19):
for every coach that has a three game losing stream.
Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Heard Line News. By the way,
I saw this, this is not a little thing. It
is official. Now. This is something I started talking about
last year. I said, stop calling the Cowboys America's team.
(27:42):
They're not They're not fun to watch. I mean Tennessee Titans,
Dallas Cowboys. It's the same thing. It's a corner TV game,
like like if you have three TVs, you're not putting
the Cowboys front and center. They're boring. Tennessee's boring, Cleveland's boring.
We all know the boring team. The New York Giants
are boring. The Kansas City Chiefs average viewers per NFL
(28:06):
game seventeen and a half million, forty seven of their
fifty NFL games shown on TV. The highest ranked games.
I'm looking at him. Here the top five games so
far the NFL season. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati,
Kansas City, Kansas City, San Francisco, and then Ravens Dallas,
(28:30):
which was shocking. Dallas lost. So I Jerry Jones sees
this we have always said on the show, Jerry Jones
loves attention, seeks it. Jerry sees this, he knows what's happening.
What is the way to make the Cowboys in three
months fascinating for TV viewers? The guy behind me, Deon Sanders,
(28:54):
that's how you make the Cowboys fascinating. I love Mike Vrabel.
He didn't make him fascinating. Belichick doesn't make him fascinating.
Guy wearing the cowboy hat, the former cowboy, you hire him?
That his must watch. Vrabel's good. It's not must watch
Belichick kind of must watch but not totally charismatic. Deon
Sanders gets named the head coach. I'm telling you it is.
(29:22):
I saw those numbers. That is a real thing. The
Cowboys are not America's team. The Kansas City Chiefs are,
by the way, and it's not just that the Chiefs
are winning, but they're also fascinating to watch. When the
Patriots had Brady, they weren't know was the highest rated team.
I mean it was do your job, be efficient, be smart,
take pay cuts. San Antonio Spurs were not a fascinating dynasty.
(29:45):
The Warriors were. Shaq and Kobe were so not all
winning teams. I mean, the Pittsburgh Steelers get good ratings,
but Kansas City is a fascinating, clever, creative, star quarterback franchise.
In fact, I wouldn't even put the Dallas Cowboys two.
I would put Kansas City one. I think, I honestly
(30:05):
think there's an argument that Philadelphia and San Francisco, depending
on who they match up against. I think Lamar Jackson,
I think Josh Allen. I think they have pull for
me personally. My favorite watches in the league are Buffalo,
Kansas City, and Baltimore because I get Lamar Josh. I
love Lamar Jackson, I love Josh, I love Mahomes. I
(30:27):
like quarterbacks, so I don't care how good your roster is.
Brock Perty doesn't get me to a television set. I'll
watch the Niners, but the five and five Niners they're
just this year. They're not very interesting. They've got to
win to be fascinating. So Jmack didn't like my takes.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
How are the Chiefs one of your top three watches?
I'm just talking this year.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I get right now because I get the greatest coach,
arguably ever, and the greatest quarterback arguably ever. I got
Taylor Swift waving at me every time I try to
TV you.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Mesa Taylor Swift. I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I was thinking about the mortals like Kareem Hunt and
Noah Gray and Juju's. I mean their skill position players stink.
They couldn't move a football on the bills. But Taylor Swift,
So I will. I will concede.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You're onto something there.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Chiefs probably is they've won fifteen to sixteen games. I
like winners. I like watching success. I like watching people
who are excellent their crest.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Even if it's kind of a boring slog. You know
what a lucky win. In overtime of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
They block kicks on the last play. Oh look, that's
pretty exciting to me.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
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Speaker 7 (31:36):
The matchup we've all been waiting for us here on Big.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Noon Saturday, second ranked Ohio State takes on undefeated fifth
ranked Indiana in one of the season's biggest games. That
all kicks off live from Columbus at ten am with
Big Noon Kickoff. Then don't miss Indianna verse Ohio State
at noon only.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
On FOC Ohio State. It's a thirteen point favorite. Who
you got in that one? Indiana and the points?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
You wait, just the points or win outright.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Make a prediction Friday. That's a lot of points to
give Indiana. By the way, Ohio State's got much better players,
but they had much better players than Michigan two of
the final three years they played them. Coaching matters. It
matters a lot.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Is Jim Harbaugh coaching Indiana?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I don't know the guy. They got pretty good, so
I have for a year. So Jmack wants to just
fire coaches, and I'm like, it sends a terrible message. Hey,
there have been times in my life where I'm looking
for work. One of the first things I look at,
do I trust the management? They know what they're doing?
As a sea of money out there for people, there's
(32:45):
not a sea of great management, Like do they know
what they're doing? You start firing coaches and the best
candidates are like, I'm not taking my family to that.
My wife. I'm not going to get my wife in
a new place, in a new neighborhood and ask her
to make all and then I got the you know
this coach's owners doing crazy impulsive stuff, and I think
it's a real thing. That's my take is always, in
very few instances do I watch a coach and go, yeah,
(33:06):
this is not working. I mean, Freddie Kitchen's in Cleveland,
that's not working. Jim tom suis San Francisco, that ain't working.
But in most instance, everybody wants thrown off. Brian Kelly
at LSU and Lincoln Riley Jim Harbaugh's third year at Michigan,
they pulled back in one eight games. Take a deep breath.
So this story is so bad for the Jets and
(33:28):
their brand. What coach would want to be in this mess? So,
according to the athletics sources At the athletic multiple sources,
after they lost to Denver, Woody Johnson wanted to bench
Aaron Rodgers now that it was a typhoon. Neither team
could move the ball. It was a ten to nine game,
Jets lost. Apparently everybody was in this thing. Sala was
(33:50):
in it, Joe Douglas was in it, the team president
was in it. A couple of the owners were in it.
Everybody talked Woody Johnson off the cliff. They're like, no, no, no,
don't do that. Don't do that. So there's a couple
of things here that looks terrible for the organization. Terrible.
It's a circus. The other thing is no owner in
Green Bay is better than almost every situation in the league.
(34:14):
There's probably six great owners, like there's six great coaches
and six great quarterbacks, ten good gms, or maybe six
good owners. It's crazy town, the b Club, the billionaires,
crazy town. So but Woody Johnson flew to Malibu. They
played to Aaron Rodgers vanity. We all love that he
bit on it and went from non chaos to chaos.
(34:35):
So two things to learn. Number one, the grass is
noways greener now a lot of times it is. I
have no problem with people taking big swings in life.
Sometimes the grass is greener. But having no owner is
clearly better than having Woody Johnson. And the second thing
is darkness. Retreats in Ayahuasca clearly don't equal better decisions.
(34:56):
They may make it happier, lose some weight, some clarity,
they don't make you make good decisions. Because the Jets
have always been a circus under Woody Johnson. And I
think a lot of this with Aaron was the fight
for control. It doomed Pete Carroll and Seattle. It doomed
Belichick in New England. And I think Aaron wanted control.
I want Randall Cobp, I want al Lazard, I want
(35:18):
my buddy. Aaron didn't have that control in Green Bay,
and he wanted it. Well, guess what, You're an athlete,
not a general manager. Remember when Lebron told pat Riley
Draftschabaz Napier. Right, Like coaches coach, players play GMSGM, each
of those individually are very hard. I don't want my
players being my gms. I don't want my coaches being
(35:41):
my players. So separation every one of them their own
silo is not a bad thing. I don't want my
chef necessarily owning the restaurant. I want a restaurant owner.
I want a chef, I want a host. How many
restaurants bank won't Banks won't give restaurants loans? Why because
you got a star chef that wants to own it
(36:02):
and operationally didn't know what he's doing. She didn't know
what they're doing. Chefs don't make great owners of restaurants.
They all think they are, but most don't. But I
think the real issue here if we can bang on Aaron,
and I will say Michael Irvin made a great point yesterday.
I thought this was really smart on why the Aaron
(36:23):
Jets thing didn't work.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
The Jets, I said, messed up when they tried to
make Aaron Rodgers the main thing instead of keeping their
main thing as the main thing. They were primarily a
running run team that played great defense that needed some
guidance at quarterback. They allowed Aaron Rodgers to pull them
(36:48):
into his fight of trying to prove to everybody, to
woke crowd in Green Bay that I still have it,
instead of Aaron Rodgers being added to their fight.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
This is really interesting. There's a distinction. The Steelers had
their culture toughness defense. They asked Russell Wilson to clean
up the offense. They didn't build the culture around Russell Wilson.
The Jets had a culture tough and physical run game,
(37:19):
and yet they gave up their identity to Aaron Rodgers.
This whole savior thing is nonsense. Matt Stafford wasn't a
savior for the Rams. He was an upgraded quarterback. Tom
Brady didn't save Bruce arians He already had a Trophy.
Jason light was one of the best gms. The Tampa
Bay roster was excellent. That's why Brady went there. They
(37:40):
needed a right tackle, the drafted Tristan Wurse. They needed
another running back. They got Lenny Furnett, and then Tom said, hey,
give me a veteran tight end who can block in Gronk.
And they talked Dronk out of like a retirement, like
that's what they needed. Tom wasn't saving them. Tampa had
all sorts of talents, had talent Denver didn't. Russell tried
(38:03):
to be a savior in Pittsburgh. It bombed because they
needed a savior. Pittsburgh didn't didn't need a savior. Just
clean our offense up, drive us down the field, be
good in the fourth quarter, don't turn the ball over
and hit the deep ball. And that's all Russell's done.
So there's also this to throw out there. According to
Connor Hughes of s n Y, he was told by
(38:25):
sources the team prefers prefers to move on not only
from Sala and Joe Douglas, but Aaron Rodgers too. So whatever,
he'll have a market, Believe me, he'll have a market. Okay,
so I got, I got, Well, you don't mean he'll
have a market.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Somebody's gonna want Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Who There's eight teams now desperate for a quarterback, and
you want this guy at There's eight teams that need
a quarterback. Shador Sanders and the kid at Miami cam
Mood the only two college quarterbacks ready to play. Sam
Darnold will be on the market. That's three. There's five
more teams that need to court.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
Daniel Jones or Aaron Aaron Rodgers. I'm not touching Aaron Rodgers, colin,
no way.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Come on, What is he shown to you that he's
ready to be an NFL quarterback this season?
Speaker 7 (39:16):
What is he shown?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Eight teams need one?
Speaker 7 (39:21):
All right, that's gotta be it. That's gotta be some
kind of friendly wager.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I'm saying, there's just no way, no way anybody touches Rogers.
Come on, you say eighteens, name one, name one Raiders.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
You think the Raiders are going for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Hey, if Cleveland goes for a quarterback, that could be nineties.
Stop stop, I'm just I'm just throwing out.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Way, no, no, Deshaun Watson got a guaranteed.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
D He was in his prime. He was like twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
With all that baggage.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Rogers, doesn't that baggage.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Aaron's gonna have a market, a small one, well,
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