May 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin discusses Draymond Green picking up another technical foul in a game 2 loss to the Timberwolves and why Green has clearly embraced the "villain" role of today's NBA
He lists the top sidekicks in the NBA right now including both Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard explaining they are no longer franchise players you can build around
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
What it is Friday? Lot's going on as we head
into the weekend, Lawn, Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening or watching.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Well, it
was another night where Draymond Green center stage.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, indeed your friends Raymond Green, Yes, sheepschat artists.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, let's just say that.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Whatever path you choose to take in live, I'm not
going to be judgmental, but we have history of NBA
players who choose the villain role. The three best of
all time were Bill Lambier, Dennis Rodman, and Draymond Green.
It was a chosen path. Lambier and Draymon were better offensively,
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but they played the wrestling heel too, and with that
it gets messy. So last night's another Draymond night. He
gets a foul, it's obviously a technical foul. They go
to the replay. You could argue it's a flagrant. I wouldn't,
but some would. Now he has towed the line his
entire career. I don't see him as a victim, but
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I have defended him. I defended Lambier and Rodman. They
are great at what they do. They provide an edge
and toughness. They're annoying, they get into people's heads. Now.
Draymon also has some impulse control issues, and Steph Curry
and Steve Kerr are often almost therapists during these out
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First it's interesting Draymon actually statistically gets more technicals when
Steph Curry doesn't play, So there is something psychologically about
Draymon when his guy. When the star's gone, he gets
ramped up. Then later in the game he's on the bike,
Draymond has an altercation with a fan. A fan says
something inappropriate, the fan it's a slur, gets tossed out
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of the game, as he should be. There's knuckleheads everywhere
and afterwards, Draymond Green was very upset about an agenda
and how he is often viewed.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
In his eyes, look like the angry black man.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm not an angry black man. I'm a very successful,
educated black man with a great family, and I'm great
at basketball. I'm great at what I do. To the
agenda to try to keep making me look like an
angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it. Is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Now I have said this before. I have employed him
for several years. He's as coachable as any employee I
have because Tom Izzow and Steve Kerr are tough coaches.
He likes to be coached. He gets along with people.
He's totally professional. But he has chosen the path like
Bill Lambier did, to be a confrontational player with that
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path in life because fame comes riches and it gets messy.
I went to a Bill Lambier game and heard people
attack him in the layup line before the game. That
is the path Lambier chose. He didn't have to do that.
And Draymond Green last night with Steph Out, you knew
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the crowd was going to be all over him. So
that's the path he has taken. But I would say
with Lambier, and I'm old enough to remember Bill Lambier
with those pistons that Lambier and Draymond are effective, They're complex,
they embrace it. It is a very volatile path to take.
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You'll get rich, you'll get famous, and you'll get a
ton of crap. If Steph Curry or Kobe Brot it
beats you, it feels artful. If Rodman, Lambier or Draymond
beat you, it feels like they're cheating. They're skirting the rules,
they're pushing the envelope. And they are. And I have
defended it. Bulls fans and Laker fans. They thought Lambert
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was inappropriate. It's one thing to get beat by the artist,
by the scalpel. It's another thing to be to be
beaten over the head. And sometimes with Lambier and Rodman
and Draymon it feels that way. So aggression meets aggression
and the fans are really really I sat in a
Lambier game, I've been to a Draymond game on the road.
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It is different, But I will say this about the
value of what Draymond provides. So the three most disruptive
players in terms of like style in my life are Rodman, Lambier,
and Draymond. Now, Lambier and Draymond are better offensive players.
But those three think about the for a second, who
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are they coached by? In my opinion, the four best
coaches in league history, at least in my life history Popovich,
Chuck Daily, Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr. So the smartest
coaches in league history had the three villains because they
understand the value the rebounding, the screen setting, the toughness.
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NBA playoffs have always been loosely officiated. They allow more physicality.
Phil Jackson absolutely new that they had different rules for
Rodman he could go to Vegas during the finals, and
the same with Lamber or Draymond Green. They have incredible value,
But being the villain is a choice, and it's messy.
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Here is Draymond angry after and here's Steve Kerr as well.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Look like the angry black man. I'm not an angry
black man. I'm a very successful, educated black man with
a great family, and I'm great at basketball. I'm great
at what I do. The a gender to try to
keep making me look like an angry black man is crazy.
I'm sick of it. Is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
He's going to have to stay composed. Obviously, we need him,
and I'm confident that he will because he knows, you know,
he knows the circumstances. That's part of It's part of
dream onond. You know, the same thing that makes him
such a competitor and a winner puts him over the
top sometimes. And you know, we we know that, and
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it's our job to try to help him stay stay poised,
stay composed. But the competition he's so meaning meaningful to
him that you know, occasionally he he goes over the line.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And last night was viewed as going over the line.
All right, speaking of a noisy A couple of stories here.
There was a story by Pablo Tory, talented podcaster, that
said Carolina had banned Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan Hudson from
the football facility. Carolina came out this morning and said, no,
she's not an employee of our university. She is welcome
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in the football facilities. She'll continue to manage coach Belichick's
personal brand outside. So I've said this, Jordan Hudson is
a very young and ambitious and wilful young lady, and
colleges are full of hierarchies. So this is gonna be combative. Okay,
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this was probably bound to get a little turbulent. Belichick
empowered her. She took the baton. She's aggressive. If you
look at her life history, this is a moment in
time for her. Sorry, I find be empowered and find success.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But from day one, Belichick to me on a college
campus never made sense. He didn't draft well because he
didn't pay a lot of attention despite his dad's history,
he didn't pay a lot of attention to college football.
You could tell from his drafts he had no feel
for it. Belichick ben hires Mike Lombardi, who I know
at North Carolina. These are NFL guys first, second, and third,
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and fourth and fifth and six. They don't care about
being part of a university's athletic department. They can fake it.
They can go to a basketball game. What I would
argue in all of this is Belichick is rebranding himself
young girlfriend, college campus, young young recruits. He's staying current.
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I'm surprised he didn't go to Coachella. Hey, I thought
there'd be coaches here. Well, what's going on? I mean?
The truth is the NFL viewed Bill Belichick as old,
combative and grumpy, and one team, Atlanta, gave him the
time of day, and yet in the last twelve months,
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what has he done. He went on ESPN and laughed
and smiled a lot. He found a young girlfriend. He's
on a young college campus. He's doing TikTok and snap
Graham and INDs the Chat and all that stuff he
used to make fun of. I believe Bill is rebranding himself.
Even if you look at his contract at Carolina, the
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out is after a year. So I'm not blaming Bill,
whose DNA is pro football wanting to use Carolina to
get back to the NFL. I think that's his real dream.
Nor do I blame Jordan Hudson for being ambitious, willful,
driven and butting heads if it happened with anybody on
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a college campus. College campuses is all about tenured professor.
I mean here at USC and UCLA, it's politics, it's tenure,
it's you know, everybody's trying to get their space and
their lane and protect it and get that nice pench.
And I think Belichick's rebranding, but him in a college campus.
I've said this from the very beginning. It just doesn't
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feel natural. It doesn't feel terribly authentic. You can go,
you know, him laughing on ESPN. He gave it to
college try. But Bill's not a media guy. Bill doesn't
have any interest in the media guy. You've watched his
book Media Tour. It's not who he is. He's a
pro football coach, the best defensive coach of all time,
the most profound and prodigious NFL coaching resume of all time.
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The game changed, it's more collaborative. He tends to be
more bottom line and a little bit corrosive and tough
and combative and collaborative and combative are two different things.
And hey, Jordan, can he give me a little help
in the branding stuff. That's what it feels like to me.
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I'm not saying they don't have a great time together,
but I've said I think they're both kind of using
each other to empower their careers going forward. I'm here
for it. I'm okay with it. But I've never bought
into Belichick in a college campus fits. It's like Bobby
Knight in the pros. That was never going to work.
Belichick twelve years at Carolina, Mack Brown feels like a
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college coach. He's smiling, not great in the details, wonderful guy, Southern, smooth,
Texas charm. Mac Brown's a college coach. Nick Saban could
do both. He just didn't stay around the NFL long
enough to be a great head coach. But this has
always felt a little unnatural to me. And that's okay.
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So you had the Pablo Tory report. Carolina comes back
and says that's not true. Julian Edelman was on our
show earlier this week on all the noise around Belichick,
Carolina and the current situation.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The number one thing we used to talk about all
the time in New England was distraction. Let's not make distractions.
The game's already as hard as it is, and we're
talking about this three weeks later. It's on ABC, It's
on this, It's on that. I mean, it's getting to
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a point where we gotta we gotta start worrying about,
you know, the ACC. We gotta start worrying about Dabos swinging.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, he sees it. Julian sees it. He is keeping
it real on this. I don't feel Mike Lombardi, Bill Belichick, Carolina.
That doesn't that doesn't that doesn't sound like a Tom
Hanks Reda Wilson marriage. That doesn't feel like twenty thirty
years to me, even if Philip Belichick was fifty five,
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he's a pro guy. You can usually see a guy
that guy's a college guy. That's guy's a pro guy.
Dabo's when he's a college guy. Belichick's a pro guy
and he reads a pro guy. Sean Payton's a pro guy.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
H J.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Draymond Green gets everybody a ryle. He almost knew last
night without Steph Curry. We talked about this on the
show yesterday. Golden State had one way to win, get ugly,
get physical, and it went sideways.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't know, other than Jonathan Kuminga having a pretty
solid game, I saw nothing from Golden State that leads
me to believe they're winning any more games in the series.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I mean, Anthony Edwards played like crap again last night.
Got hurt on one ankle.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah yeah, I mean listen there, Ben showed up, nasried
de Vincenzo Wis ran pretty good. Devincenzo's trending toward Draymond
territory with some some of these.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
No, he's not well, he's a very no again he
I don't think he's Draymond rob or Lambier, but he's
a very physical feisty player. I think his dad was
a much Well, he's a Villanova guy. Villanova guys are tough.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You go after Luca and Lebron and now in this series,
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't know who likes Defncenzo, Chris Finch. He's this
tough guy.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Everybody needs an enforcer, you know. Now, Jay Wright loved him.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, I mean the bottom line is all defend Rodman, Lambier, Devincenzo,
Draymond Green, every what we what do we think the
Celtics are missing?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Dog, tough guy.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Minnie's got dog. I mean, I know, I mean, I'll
tell you who's got dog. Denver Yokich is banged on
players for years. Denver's got dog.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Boston had Marcus Smart.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They were like, eh, too much, the dog thinks he's
too much of a big dog taking all the shots.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
No thanks, I'm sorry. I'm gonna defend these guys forever.
Not just because I've worked with Draymond All, defend them forever. Popovich,
Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, Chuck Daily, four best coaches arguably
ever all loved their enforcer.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It's also like when you and I hang out, you
know you need me to step in. Sometimes them fans
get over zealous with you and don't want to buy
you a drink. I'm like, hey, hey, col Hurdle down ye.
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Speaker 2 (14:52):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Brian Windhorst is a guy I trust, and Brian Winhorst
has been talking about this over the last couple of days.
If the Celtics lose this series, and I still think
Boston should win it, but we acknowledged this yesterday. The
NBA is allowing the most physicality that I remember in
the playoffs, even above most years, and we told you
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and have for years, this is what the NBA does.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's a different level this year, and that.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Plays into New York's hand much more than it does
the Celtics hand. But I still think the Celtics should
be favored to win the series. And I know that's
looney tunes, but win Horst has been saying win or lose,
but especially lose, they may they're gonna break this team up.
They have new owners and there's just there's a lot
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of money here if you don't win. But what's interesting
is Brad Stevens is a very smart GM and he
is always ahead of the curve. If they go after
Jannis and they're one of the few teams that would
have a package to do it, and he could stay
in the East, what does it tell you about what
he thinks about Tatum. Fans tend to think that if
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you score a bunch of points, you're a number one. No,
James Harden was never a number one. He was a
number one score, but Houston mistakingly thought you could build
around him. Westbrook, Chris Paul, he didn't work with anybody
because he doesn't work on the defensive end. And he's
flighty and flaky. Okay, so he's not a number one.
He's a number one score. Kawhi and embid to me,
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they can't be number ones. They're never available. You can't
have a quarterback play eleven to twelve games a year.
That's not I don't care. I don't care. If there
as good as Lamar Jackson, you gotta be there every
single Sunday, plan hurt. You gotta be there. And so
the NBA now even has minimums for awards. You have
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to play so many games. So I've always said this,
I've always called Anthony Davis the best number two in
the sport. Is that he has the talent to be
a one, but you can't really depend on him. Sometimes
he's there, sometimes offensively he's not present. So if I
had to pick a starting five with one bench guy
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as the best number twos in the league, many of
these feel like number ones. I'd have Jimmy Butler, Jalen Brown,
Chet Holmgren, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard and KD. And you
think Kadi's a one, No, he's not. You can't build
around him. He's a wanderer, you can never get an answer.
He didn't like confrontation in the locker room from Draymon
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or on the bench. Steph is a one. K D's personality.
His game's a one, so is John Moran's game, so
is Zion Williamson's game.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But they're two's gifted twos. So to me, there are
four things you need to be a one.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Production. I mean, you can't score twelve a game and
be a one production. Number two physical and emotional reliability.
You gotta be there. You gotta have your head on straight.
That's Harden, not a one. Number three is durability, Kawhi,
you got it, you gotta play. And number four is dog,
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gotta be a dog. And that's where Jason Tatum. And
I'm not saying Tatum's not a one, but he struggles
with the fourth one. He got me talked into it,
even when he didn't play much in the Olympics in
his prime. His response was, well, it's just part of basketball.
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You think you're gonna sit Kobe and MJ not here
from it. You think you're gonna sit Lebron and not
here from it. He was like, Eh, Michael Jordan still
holds a grudge because Isaiah Thomas froze him out in
an All Star Game. In an All Star game, Number
four is dog. You want the ball and you demand.
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When I watched Jason Tatum's last shot, he goes left,
chooses the wrong side, works himself into a double, goes
into the defender, and shoots a fall away. Two of
his last three shots were followays. I'm not denying he's
a one, but he struggles with dog.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
He just does.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And so I'm fascinated to see what Brad Stevens does
when they brought in poor Zingis and Drew Holliday. What
they were telling you was, you know, we need to
bring in two more offensive guys because sometimes our guy
is not quite as dependable in big spots as we like.
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I always said this, you can tell what a team
thinks of its quarterbacks by the plays it calls. You
can tell what a GM thinks of his stars by
what he surrounds him with.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So if they said we'll.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Get rid of Jaylen Brown, will do this, We'll do this,
will do this, will do this, We'll bring in Yannis,
they're telling you sometimes with Tatum, we're not We're not
sure if he got that dog Giannis may not be
able to hit a free throw. He wants to dominate. Okay,
Lebrono was wanted to Michael. We all know the players
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bird magic. We all know doesn't mean it played great
in every game six and seven. I'm not saying that
everybody has bad games. Here's Rick Buker yesterday on Tatum.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Doesn't have a go to spot, he doesn't have a
go to shot. He took fewer shots at the rim
this season than he ever has in his career, and
his mid range went down as well. What compensated for that,
he took nearly half of his shots from three point range.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So now we're looking.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
At your go to guy, who if his three point
shot is not falling, which it has not in this series,
what's he going.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
To I've said this, Phil Jackson may have had the triangle,
but sometimes Kobe and MJ just went, yeah, we're gonna
do my We're gonna do my triangle, not yours. Give
me the I think Tatum too often complies and is
collaborative with this analytical three point parade, and I think
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he should push back. And sometimes guys, I'm getting a bucket,
I'm taking the last eight shots and I'm not shooting threes.
I'm getting buckets. But he's such a nice kid and
he's so collaborative. This is just my opinion that this
three point analytic parade that Boston does, he just goes
along with it. I see him constantly beat guys off
the dribble, then step back and shoo to three. Dude,
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just get to the basket and dunk. Just go to
the basket, get better shots. But he is such a
quality guy. And again, to me, there's four things you
gotta have to be an absolute one. And I'm not
saying he doesn't have dogs sometimes, but man, it can
be a struggle.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
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Speaker 2 (21:51):
Promise me you'll we'll bring that that that list for
later on in the show. Then you promise me that's
my it's my current number two. All starts. We must
talk about it later. Okay, deal, you're unhappy?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, anyways, let's get her like gab Ward fresh off
being the number onood pick of the draft, and he's
one of the favorites to win Offensive Bookie of the Year. Well,
last year's winner of the award, Jaden Daniels, had one
of the best rookie seasons for a quarterback in NFL history.
Here's his advice to cam Ward. Just go out there
and have fun. Enjoy playing the game that you've played
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since you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Were a kid. Boy, it's that easy. Just have fun,
says Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, I will say this there is you know, somebody
years ago told me in our profession, he said, do
your prep and then let it rip. Don't overthink the room.
There is value in saying like Peyton Manning was a
legendary teeth cuncher Bill Polly and his GM said like
he wanted to practice on Saturday, and Saturday for the
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Colts was family Day. Peyton's like, no, I think.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We can get more work in.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There is value to just saying and talking yourself into
I've done the prep, let's go have fun. So I
don't think that's bad advice. I think you get paralysis
by analysis. And I think cam Ward's style is fun
and he should lean into his style. Like I'm gonna
coach Caleb Williams, and I'm gonna coach Jayden Daniels, and
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I'm gonna coach.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Laura Jackson.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But the last thing I'm gonna say as a coach
that I'm going out there put my arm around him
and say, you've done the work, go have fun. So
I don't think that's a bad message. And I don't
want I don't want Lamar getting tight. He gets tight
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Go do you you know we obviously our kids play sports.
That's like the last thing I say to them. You
get out of the car at the tournament, Hey, go
have fun, do your best have fun. That's that's the
smart advice from Jade Daniels. Now, the question is you
know we haven't seen cam Warden in a lot of
high leverage games at Miami. He wasn't playing in big ones.
He had some close games. But I like his mindset.
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I like his personality. He's low key, he's humble. I
like everything about him. He's a little backyard for ball.
But man, I have to look in the mirror on
that the league is getting more backyard football at quarterbacks like.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Packeck Mahomes started it, I really well.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean not Steve Young and a lot of guys
that moved around, but at some point I watch pure
pocket quarterbacks and it does feel like you don't get
to play with twenty five percent of the playbook.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, for sure. Next up is Aaron Rodgers. Listen.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I tried to stamp him out of the show. What
two weeks ago we did that. He's back, Colin unfortunately
because your guy. Peter Schreger says that Rogers is still
deliberating a decision to sign with Pittsburgh, adding that while
the team doesn't have any further insight than they did
during the drafts, they're willing to wait on the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Is there a world where Rogers is like, hey, let
me see how long.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I can wait this out.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Quarterback somewhere else gets hurt during trading camp Rock Purdy
and the Niners fall apart. Is he Do you think
he's waiting for something else, a better option than the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I don't think there's at Pittsburgh. Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I feel like he this is nobody knows what Aaron.
I feel like he just wants to make sure everything's
right with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's never Everything's never going to be right. If you're
waiting for perfection, we're gonna wait forever.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, But but I think Aaron's take is it's retirement
or the Steelers here. You know, my theory on this
has always been that he's just making sure the brock
Pretty deal is done.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's still not done, right, No, it's not done. A
lot of reports on that that I think from the
Niners to suggest that there's issues, of course not. They
wouldn't leak that well.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Last year with you, they were upfront that was disrupted,
Brock Purties not disrupted.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think if I.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Was Aaron, I'm going to give the Niners negotiations four
or five more days. That's what I would do. I
would take Shanahan over Tom win if I was a quarterback.
So now maybe I'm wrong. And he admitted to this issue.
You know, he acknowledged or told the Steelers. I'm going
if I was Aaron Rodgers, I would make sure the
Brock Pretty deal is all buttoned up. He has also
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said publicly i'd pay I'd play for ten million dollars.
Well pretty at fifty two or Airin at ten pretty
easy choice for.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well you go.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm just saying, I mean, Rogers for one, Rudy for four,
Why wouldn't he sign?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know. That's a big mister.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And listen, all these people were reporting nobody knows, nobody
has any clue hearing Brock Perdy. It's closed for like
three months.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, isn't that funny?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So you think it is there's issues behind the scenes.
I'm not saying issues.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm saying if I was Aaron Rodgers, I would much
rather play for Kevin O'Connell or Kyle Shanahan than defensive
minded Pittsburgh out in the East Coast, which I did.
I didn't like it, and it was a circus Pittsburgh
and Aaron R does that feel like at placed? Aaron
Pittsburgh doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So is this like, you know this girl wants to
go to the problem with you You you're not sure. But
the girl you really want, he's on the rocks with
her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
By the way, women do that too to guys.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
If the girl breaks up with her boyfriend all of
a sudden, Hey, I'm cod that's who I want for
the prom. Maybe Rogers really wants the nine.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Nobody knows, and Aaron would never admit of it's true.
But what is he waiting for? And I've always said,
just as a smart guy, if I'm saying I want
to play one more year, Pittsburgh may want two. Maybe
he doesn't want to be a mentor just the idea
I get Kyle Shanahan in California, I can do my
(27:26):
private jet down to Malibu the minute after games end,
or I'm in Pittsburgh. I don't know. See, I'm just
telling you if I was in what he's saying Pittsburgh, Well,
I mean I have a place in Malibu. I didn't
buy a place in Dayton, Ohio. I like the warm weather.
I got a beach place in Malibu. Niners game Saturday,
(27:47):
one o'clock window. I am home on the Beach having
a marguerite at five forty five Coastal Elite count or
I'm having a craft beer at Sully's in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, I'm just saying, what would you do?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, right, you don't have to ask me. Anyways, Let's
go to the final story. God to the NBA. Lebron
and the Lakers obviously lost in the first round. Well, now,
Lebron's on his podcast with Steve Nash, and Lebron addressed
the criticism he and Luca have received since they got
eliminated by the Wolves.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Teams win championships, and I understand that, And it's never
just about me and Luca. It was never just about
you know, Anthony Edwards and Julius Rando. You know, it
was always Minnesota versus the Lakers. And I understand that.
And I am at a point in my career now
where I you know, I don't lose sleep over that
liked it. How did me and Luca lou like, well, yeah,
(28:42):
well there's there's eight other guys on the floor.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And for the record, he's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
When Lebron was in his athletic prime, the eight guys
on the roster did not matter.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
As much.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But at this point with Lebron, the roster composition matters
a lot and the Lakers. This is what I've been
arguing all week. The Lakers roster is not close to
go to.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
They were the three seed and want a ton of
games coming come.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
On regular season. Now, Boston was dominant over New York
in the Red Tatum average like thirty four a game
against the su can't hit a shot. So here's an
interesting thing on Lebron.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
So they lose in the playoffs, he does this podcast,
and you know this is going to go all over
social media.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
People are gonna pick it apart.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I so wish Michael Jordan had been doing a podcast
after that first.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Year in Washington with the Wizards. Well, he was done,
he had his money, he wanted to own the team.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Why they brow didn't I would love to have heard
about because this is another reason people don't like Lebron.
They're just now he's blaming the other eight guys on
the court, which is reality.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He's not blaming them, He's being honest. Minnesota, and this
is true, has a much deeper, better roster.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
The Lakers didn't lose because of Lebron.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
He averaged By the way, twenty five, nine and five
on forty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Series has always sent message. He's very smart. You look
at it as calculated. I look at it as smart.
He is sending a message. Improve the roster.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Game.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Davis is nice in February and March. You get to
the playoffs. We need something a little, we need more Ammos.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Lebron's totally right on this. Yeah, this roster, and I'm sorry,
I'll argue it all day. It's not close.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
How about this bet a better roster the Indiana Pacers
and Pacers.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Do you know how close Pacers have like nine guys
they could play.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, I don't even think anybody in the league would arut.
You take Indiana's roster over the Lakers and Slippers.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Like Ben Matherin's like a seventh or eighth guy. He
would be the sixth man on the Lakers. Undeniable anyways.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
By the way, the Cabs were great in the regular
season too.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
How's that working out? Oh and two?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, see was dominant one in one. Now going to Denver.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I know you're not betting NBA right now, because it's suicidal.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I've got NBA.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Did you look at the lines tonight and Saturday.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
No, give me the lines tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, first of all, all of the road teams are favored.
Pacers are underdogs at home against the Calves. Calves three
and a half. Now they're expected to get their.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Guys back, all of them. Yes, but we don't know
for sure. Celtics are favored in the garden.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that tonight or tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
That's Saturday?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And then tell that's gonna be great. So the game
Saturday is in the.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Garden at like thirty Pacific?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And what's the line?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Celtics three and a half is what I last saw.
I like Boston. I'm sorry I do.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Now that's been going up three and a half four
I think Boston.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
No, I don't think that series is over.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, go to DraftKings. I'm gonna I'm gonna promote that
right now. I'm betting that on my account. Who you
taking Boston?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What's Denver and Oka?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
See? Okayse was at least three and a half last night.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Be careful about that. I would take Denver plus three
and a half at home.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I don't know that that's a serious I don't know.
I don't know who's going to show up I mean
Denver lost came two by.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like thirty eight points, didn't they fifty points?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, but don't you think there's a point they steal
home court and then wave the old white flag in
the first quarter. In fact, why don't you just not
only beat us, humiliate us, give you some false confidence.
Now you come up to the mountains the mile high
take Denver and the points.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Denver going up to one would be a bit of
a shock to the system.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Again, this regular seat, your regular season j Matt postseason count.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Man, I never liked okase all season. I've been saying
this for years. It's two different sports. Yeah, it is
two different sports.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
NFL is more intense, but it's not two different sports.
Hockey's more intense. It's not two different sports. You get
into the basketball playoffs are officiated differently than they the
regular seats.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So can the Celtics win four or five from the.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Next I don't know. I just think they're gonna win
Game three. That's a big ask. It's it's hard to
just beat. And also New York now is so empowered
they they I don't know if New York thought they
would win this series they do now.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
As a reminder, they didn't play great at home against
the Pistons, lost two of three in the Garden, including
a close out game.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What we're watching with this series is not Yeah, I
watched New York struggle with the Pistons and beat Boston
twice at home. What am I watching?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And just make sure I know Saturday is supposed to
be like seventy five degrees beautiful out here in LA.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Just make sure you're too in front of a TV
for that Nick game. That's gonna be crazy. Jmck with
a new Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
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Speaker 1 (35:07):
Such good NBA playoff ACKs and this weekendst was so
great so some NFL teams reportedly, according to the Athletics
Jeff Howe. According to how there was not a lot
of interest in talking with the Steelers about a trade
for receiver George Pickens. Some teams pulled by the Athletic
(35:28):
at the time laughed at the idea of inviting Pickens
into their locker room for any price, let alone a
second day draft pick, except the Cowboys gave them up
for a third. So I've said this, I think old
Jerry Jones is becoming old Al Davis of the Raiders.
(35:48):
They both entered the NFL as visionaries and mavericks. They
won titles in their prime, and then they aged really poorly.
Al Davis at the end got rigid and would just
draft fast guys, and Jerry Jones gives away draft picks
now like their skittles. It is a head coach quarterback league,
(36:11):
and Jerry will not draft a quarterback in the first
round and hire second and third tier head coaches. Now,
I do think Dak prescott temperament potentially ensures some level
of success here because he's just got the kind of
you know, eq maturity that he'll make pickins work. But
(36:36):
if you really look at the best teams in this league,
the Baltimore's Philadelphia, the Rams, how they're run. They are
two and three year plans. The Cowboys are doing whatever
feels good today. And George Pickens to all the Cowboy faithful,
it feels good today. But Jeff Howe said, people laughed
(36:57):
at the idea of bringing him Pickens into their locker room.
And this was This was Albert brew yesterday on the
Cowboy acquisition.
Speaker 11 (37:09):
George Pickens, if he's not signed long term at that point,
could be worried about his payday. And his history has
been that he's had trouble controlling his emotions and his
frustrations when he doesn't like the direction of the offense
or his role within it. I think there is a
reality to all of this that's going to have to
be managed early. A lot of this falls at the
feet of the the of the of the new head
(37:30):
coach who you know, Shot, He's got a great personality.
I think I'll do a great job building a culture there.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
You know.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
One of his first jobs now is to to make
sure that everything is clear with the receiver room as
to the roles that they're going to play. How that
could play out over the course of the years.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Okay, so I want to throw this story at you.
It's being reported now by Jeremy Fowler. A reporter said
the Steelers viewed quarterback Shadoor Sanders, who they considered taking
in the fourth round. They considered him quote as a
distributing point guard type and clearly not Magic Johnson. And
(38:12):
so I was thinking about this. So remember before Aaron Rodgers,
because he's rumored to be going to Pittsburgh. Remember when
Aaron Rodgers had not chosen the New York Jets yet
yet they hired Nat Hackett. Now we can say that
Aaron did not force them to, but clearly they were
(38:35):
having discussions. We're not dumb, Aaron. We know Hackett was yours.
That's not who. That's not who. Flores would have hire
the guy that was an abject disaster in Denver. So
here's my take. Pittsburgh needed a quarterback but did not
view Sanders as a star. He was closer to Kenny Pickett,
(39:00):
and that they drafted Will Howard instead of Shadu or Sanders.
Chaudeur is obviously a better prospect than Will Howard because
Aaron coming out of a circus in New York. When
they talked to Aaron with DK Metcalf George Pickens. They
didn't want to add Shoulder Sanders to the mix because
(39:23):
then you look at it and go, oh crap, this
could go sideways fast. And they're in the Aaron Rodgers
recruiting business. That that is another reason all these people
that built a fence around should do or the NFL
doesn't know what they're doing drafting quarterbacks. You know what,
we're finding out that Pittsburgh that's pretty good at the
(39:44):
drafting and developing thing. They kind of viewed him as
a ham and egger, a four or fifth round guy,
which is what Kenny Pickens really should have been. And
in the end, they didn't want a noisy fourth or
fifth round guy because Aaron Rodgers had just come out
of a noisy mess in New York. And one of
the things the Steelers probably sold Aaron on is no
(40:06):
chaos here. We're gonna get rid of Pickens. We'll draft
a backup and stuff that. Aaron's not capable and doesn't
think he'd beat out Shador Sanders. He would, but I
could see Pittsburgh's and this is where the noise really hurts,
is that I could see Pittsburgh sitting there because they
(40:28):
reportedly considered drafting him in the fourth and I think
you have those discussions in the late third and fourth round.
You're sitting there talking as a staff and you're saying, listen,
we have a chance to get Aaron. We really want
George Pickens, Schador Sanders and noise with Aaron. Aaron just
came from noise. I really think those are the kind
(40:49):
of discussions the Pittsburgh Steelers had leading up to the draft,
because I know teams that had those discussions. I know
two teams in particular that had those discussions about Shadur Dad,
Chaduur Noise. So it's just interesting. I think Will Howard
is a quiet draft pick, and you know's he played
(41:13):
in a system at Ohio State, not gonna bring any air.
Everybody knows he's a backup. And I think Shador is
a backup Aaron Rodgers too, but he's not a quiet backup.
The media is just gonna unload on you like t
Bow and be vultures hovering around practice, and Pittsburgh's trying
to sell Aaron. We're not the Jets, We're not a circus.
It's all about football. We're grown ups here. That's why.
(41:36):
I do believe. I do believe that part of the
George Pickens trade is Tomlin saying I don't have a quarterback.
The last thing I need is Aaron thinking babysitting George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
You know, Steelers fans are not gonna like this, Colin,
but I would pass on Rogers.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
You're not gonna be good, right.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You already said, hey, we're trot out Mason UF play
for next year, and then you.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Trade what at the deadline.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
To a team that thinks they can make a Super
Bowl move the Bills, the Ravens, whoever.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
They already get twelve picks, get up to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Get another couple of picks for what, and then game
for next year. I just wouldn't you know?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm TJ. Watt winning you playoff games. I don't know
how many playoff wins? Is he having his career?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
There we go? Is he winning your playoff games? I know,
congratulations in Pittsburgh having his jersey in your closet. Is
he winning your playoff game?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
He's probably the most popular Steelers playing. Ben left you.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's what the Rams care about, That's what the Eagles
care about. Are you winning us playoff games? Not we
sell a lot of his jerseys. Is that what Pittsburgh's
literally become. And he's got value on the market, no question,
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Well, it
was another night where Draymond Green center stage.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, indeed your friends Raymond Green, Yes, sheepschat artists.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, let's just say that.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Whatever path you choose to take in live, I'm not
going to be judgmental, but we have history of NBA
players who choose the villain role. The three best of
all time were Bill Lambier, Dennis Rodman, and Draymond Green.
It was a chosen path. Lambier and Draymon were better offensively,
(01:16):
but they played the wrestling heel too, and with that
it gets messy. So last night's another Draymond night. He
gets a foul, it's obviously a technical foul. They go
to the replay. You could argue it's a flagrant. I wouldn't,
but some would. Now he has towed the line his
entire career. I don't see him as a victim, but
(01:38):
I have defended him. I defended Lambier and Rodman. They
are great at what they do. They provide an edge
and toughness. They're annoying, they get into people's heads. Now.
Draymon also has some impulse control issues, and Steph Curry
and Steve Kerr are often almost therapists during these out
(02:00):
First it's interesting Draymon actually statistically gets more technicals when
Steph Curry doesn't play, So there is something psychologically about
Draymon when his guy. When the star's gone, he gets
ramped up. Then later in the game he's on the bike,
Draymond has an altercation with a fan. A fan says
something inappropriate, the fan it's a slur, gets tossed out
(02:22):
of the game, as he should be. There's knuckleheads everywhere
and afterwards, Draymond Green was very upset about an agenda
and how he is often viewed.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
In his eyes, look like the angry black man.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm not an angry black man. I'm a very successful,
educated black man with a great family, and I'm great
at basketball. I'm great at what I do. To the
agenda to try to keep making me look like an
angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it. Is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Now I have said this before. I have employed him
for several years. He's as coachable as any employee I
have because Tom Izzow and Steve Kerr are tough coaches.
He likes to be coached. He gets along with people.
He's totally professional. But he has chosen the path like
Bill Lambier did, to be a confrontational player with that
(03:12):
path in life because fame comes riches and it gets messy.
I went to a Bill Lambier game and heard people
attack him in the layup line before the game. That
is the path Lambier chose. He didn't have to do that.
And Draymond Green last night with Steph Out, you knew
(03:33):
the crowd was going to be all over him. So
that's the path he has taken. But I would say
with Lambier, and I'm old enough to remember Bill Lambier
with those pistons that Lambier and Draymond are effective, They're complex,
they embrace it. It is a very volatile path to take.
(03:53):
You'll get rich, you'll get famous, and you'll get a
ton of crap. If Steph Curry or Kobe Brot it
beats you, it feels artful. If Rodman, Lambier or Draymond
beat you, it feels like they're cheating. They're skirting the rules,
they're pushing the envelope. And they are. And I have
defended it. Bulls fans and Laker fans. They thought Lambert
(04:18):
was inappropriate. It's one thing to get beat by the artist,
by the scalpel. It's another thing to be to be
beaten over the head. And sometimes with Lambier and Rodman
and Draymon it feels that way. So aggression meets aggression
and the fans are really really I sat in a
Lambier game, I've been to a Draymond game on the road.
(04:39):
It is different, But I will say this about the
value of what Draymond provides. So the three most disruptive
players in terms of like style in my life are Rodman, Lambier,
and Draymond. Now, Lambier and Draymond are better offensive players.
But those three think about the for a second, who
(05:01):
are they coached by? In my opinion, the four best
coaches in league history, at least in my life history Popovich,
Chuck Daily, Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr. So the smartest
coaches in league history had the three villains because they
understand the value the rebounding, the screen setting, the toughness.
(05:25):
NBA playoffs have always been loosely officiated. They allow more physicality.
Phil Jackson absolutely new that they had different rules for
Rodman he could go to Vegas during the finals, and
the same with Lamber or Draymond Green. They have incredible value,
But being the villain is a choice, and it's messy.
(05:49):
Here is Draymond angry after and here's Steve Kerr as well.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Look like the angry black man. I'm not an angry
black man. I'm a very successful, educated black man with
a great family, and I'm great at basketball. I'm great
at what I do. The a gender to try to
keep making me look like an angry black man is crazy.
I'm sick of it. Is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
He's going to have to stay composed. Obviously, we need him,
and I'm confident that he will because he knows, you know,
he knows the circumstances. That's part of It's part of
dream onond. You know, the same thing that makes him
such a competitor and a winner puts him over the
top sometimes. And you know, we we know that, and
(06:35):
it's our job to try to help him stay stay poised,
stay composed. But the competition he's so meaning meaningful to
him that you know, occasionally he he goes over the line.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And last night was viewed as going over the line.
All right, speaking of a noisy A couple of stories here.
There was a story by Pablo Tory, talented podcaster, that
said Carolina had banned Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan Hudson from
the football facility. Carolina came out this morning and said, no,
she's not an employee of our university. She is welcome
(07:14):
in the football facilities. She'll continue to manage coach Belichick's
personal brand outside. So I've said this, Jordan Hudson is
a very young and ambitious and wilful young lady, and
colleges are full of hierarchies. So this is gonna be combative. Okay,
(07:37):
this was probably bound to get a little turbulent. Belichick
empowered her. She took the baton. She's aggressive. If you
look at her life history, this is a moment in
time for her. Sorry, I find be empowered and find success.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But from day one, Belichick to me on a college
campus never made sense. He didn't draft well because he
didn't pay a lot of attention despite his dad's history,
he didn't pay a lot of attention to college football.
You could tell from his drafts he had no feel
for it. Belichick ben hires Mike Lombardi, who I know
at North Carolina. These are NFL guys first, second, and third,
(08:19):
and fourth and fifth and six. They don't care about
being part of a university's athletic department. They can fake it.
They can go to a basketball game. What I would
argue in all of this is Belichick is rebranding himself
young girlfriend, college campus, young young recruits. He's staying current.
(08:39):
I'm surprised he didn't go to Coachella. Hey, I thought
there'd be coaches here. Well, what's going on? I mean?
The truth is the NFL viewed Bill Belichick as old,
combative and grumpy, and one team, Atlanta, gave him the
time of day, and yet in the last twelve months,
(09:03):
what has he done. He went on ESPN and laughed
and smiled a lot. He found a young girlfriend. He's
on a young college campus. He's doing TikTok and snap
Graham and INDs the Chat and all that stuff he
used to make fun of. I believe Bill is rebranding himself.
Even if you look at his contract at Carolina, the
(09:24):
out is after a year. So I'm not blaming Bill,
whose DNA is pro football wanting to use Carolina to
get back to the NFL. I think that's his real dream.
Nor do I blame Jordan Hudson for being ambitious, willful,
driven and butting heads if it happened with anybody on
(09:46):
a college campus. College campuses is all about tenured professor.
I mean here at USC and UCLA, it's politics, it's tenure,
it's you know, everybody's trying to get their space and
their lane and protect it and get that nice pench.
And I think Belichick's rebranding, but him in a college campus.
I've said this from the very beginning. It just doesn't
(10:09):
feel natural. It doesn't feel terribly authentic. You can go,
you know, him laughing on ESPN. He gave it to
college try. But Bill's not a media guy. Bill doesn't
have any interest in the media guy. You've watched his
book Media Tour. It's not who he is. He's a
pro football coach, the best defensive coach of all time,
the most profound and prodigious NFL coaching resume of all time.
(10:34):
The game changed, it's more collaborative. He tends to be
more bottom line and a little bit corrosive and tough
and combative and collaborative and combative are two different things.
And hey, Jordan, can he give me a little help
in the branding stuff. That's what it feels like to me.
(10:54):
I'm not saying they don't have a great time together,
but I've said I think they're both kind of using
each other to empower their careers going forward. I'm here
for it. I'm okay with it. But I've never bought
into Belichick in a college campus fits. It's like Bobby
Knight in the pros. That was never going to work.
Belichick twelve years at Carolina, Mack Brown feels like a
(11:16):
college coach. He's smiling, not great in the details, wonderful guy, Southern, smooth,
Texas charm. Mac Brown's a college coach. Nick Saban could
do both. He just didn't stay around the NFL long
enough to be a great head coach. But this has
always felt a little unnatural to me. And that's okay.
(11:38):
So you had the Pablo Tory report. Carolina comes back
and says that's not true. Julian Edelman was on our
show earlier this week on all the noise around Belichick,
Carolina and the current situation.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The number one thing we used to talk about all
the time in New England was distraction. Let's not make distractions.
The game's already as hard as it is, and we're
talking about this three weeks later. It's on ABC, It's
on this, It's on that. I mean, it's getting to
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a point where we gotta we gotta start worrying about,
you know, the ACC. We gotta start worrying about Dabos swinging.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, he sees it. Julian sees it. He is keeping
it real on this. I don't feel Mike Lombardi, Bill Belichick, Carolina.
That doesn't that doesn't that doesn't sound like a Tom
Hanks Reda Wilson marriage. That doesn't feel like twenty thirty
years to me, even if Philip Belichick was fifty five,
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he's a pro guy. You can usually see a guy
that guy's a college guy. That's guy's a pro guy.
Dabo's when he's a college guy. Belichick's a pro guy
and he reads a pro guy. Sean Payton's a pro guy.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
H J.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Draymond Green gets everybody a ryle. He almost knew last
night without Steph Curry. We talked about this on the
show yesterday. Golden State had one way to win, get ugly,
get physical, and it went sideways.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't know, other than Jonathan Kuminga having a pretty
solid game, I saw nothing from Golden State that leads
me to believe they're winning any more games in the series.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I mean, Anthony Edwards played like crap again last night.
Got hurt on one ankle.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah yeah, I mean listen there, Ben showed up, nasried
de Vincenzo Wis ran pretty good. Devincenzo's trending toward Draymond
territory with some some of these.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
No, he's not well, he's a very no again he
I don't think he's Draymond rob or Lambier, but he's
a very physical feisty player. I think his dad was
a much Well, he's a Villanova guy. Villanova guys are tough.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You go after Luca and Lebron and now in this series,
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't know who likes Defncenzo, Chris Finch. He's this
tough guy.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Everybody needs an enforcer, you know. Now, Jay Wright loved him.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, I mean the bottom line is all defend Rodman, Lambier, Devincenzo,
Draymond Green, every what we what do we think the
Celtics are missing?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Dog, tough guy.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Minnie's got dog. I mean, I know, I mean, I'll
tell you who's got dog. Denver Yokich is banged on
players for years. Denver's got dog.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Boston had Marcus Smart.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They were like, eh, too much, the dog thinks he's
too much of a big dog taking all the shots.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
No thanks, I'm sorry. I'm gonna defend these guys forever.
Not just because I've worked with Draymond All, defend them forever. Popovich,
Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, Chuck Daily, four best coaches arguably
ever all loved their enforcer.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It's also like when you and I hang out, you
know you need me to step in. Sometimes them fans
get over zealous with you and don't want to buy
you a drink. I'm like, hey, hey, col Hurdle down ye.
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Speaker 2 (14:52):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Brian Windhorst is a guy I trust, and Brian Winhorst
has been talking about this over the last couple of days.
If the Celtics lose this series, and I still think
Boston should win it, but we acknowledged this yesterday. The
NBA is allowing the most physicality that I remember in
the playoffs, even above most years, and we told you
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and have for years, this is what the NBA does.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's a different level this year, and that.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Plays into New York's hand much more than it does
the Celtics hand. But I still think the Celtics should
be favored to win the series. And I know that's
looney tunes, but win Horst has been saying win or lose,
but especially lose, they may they're gonna break this team up.
They have new owners and there's just there's a lot
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of money here if you don't win. But what's interesting
is Brad Stevens is a very smart GM and he
is always ahead of the curve. If they go after
Jannis and they're one of the few teams that would
have a package to do it, and he could stay
in the East, what does it tell you about what
he thinks about Tatum. Fans tend to think that if
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you score a bunch of points, you're a number one. No,
James Harden was never a number one. He was a
number one score, but Houston mistakingly thought you could build
around him. Westbrook, Chris Paul, he didn't work with anybody
because he doesn't work on the defensive end. And he's
flighty and flaky. Okay, so he's not a number one.
He's a number one score. Kawhi and embid to me,
(16:28):
they can't be number ones. They're never available. You can't
have a quarterback play eleven to twelve games a year.
That's not I don't care. I don't care. If there
as good as Lamar Jackson, you gotta be there every
single Sunday, plan hurt. You gotta be there. And so
the NBA now even has minimums for awards. You have
(16:48):
to play so many games. So I've always said this,
I've always called Anthony Davis the best number two in
the sport. Is that he has the talent to be
a one, but you can't really depend on him. Sometimes
he's there, sometimes offensively he's not present. So if I
had to pick a starting five with one bench guy
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as the best number twos in the league, many of
these feel like number ones. I'd have Jimmy Butler, Jalen Brown,
Chet Holmgren, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard and KD. And you
think Kadi's a one, No, he's not. You can't build
around him. He's a wanderer, you can never get an answer.
He didn't like confrontation in the locker room from Draymon
(17:31):
or on the bench. Steph is a one. K D's personality.
His game's a one, so is John Moran's game, so
is Zion Williamson's game.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But they're two's gifted twos. So to me, there are
four things you need to be a one.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Production. I mean, you can't score twelve a game and
be a one production. Number two physical and emotional reliability.
You gotta be there. You gotta have your head on straight.
That's Harden, not a one. Number three is durability, Kawhi,
you got it, you gotta play. And number four is dog,
(18:12):
gotta be a dog. And that's where Jason Tatum. And
I'm not saying Tatum's not a one, but he struggles
with the fourth one. He got me talked into it,
even when he didn't play much in the Olympics in
his prime. His response was, well, it's just part of basketball.
(18:32):
You think you're gonna sit Kobe and MJ not here
from it. You think you're gonna sit Lebron and not
here from it. He was like, Eh, Michael Jordan still
holds a grudge because Isaiah Thomas froze him out in
an All Star Game. In an All Star game, Number
four is dog. You want the ball and you demand.
(18:53):
When I watched Jason Tatum's last shot, he goes left,
chooses the wrong side, works himself into a double, goes
into the defender, and shoots a fall away. Two of
his last three shots were followays. I'm not denying he's
a one, but he struggles with dog.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
He just does.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And so I'm fascinated to see what Brad Stevens does
when they brought in poor Zingis and Drew Holliday. What
they were telling you was, you know, we need to
bring in two more offensive guys because sometimes our guy
is not quite as dependable in big spots as we like.
(19:37):
I always said this, you can tell what a team
thinks of its quarterbacks by the plays it calls. You
can tell what a GM thinks of his stars by
what he surrounds him with.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So if they said we'll.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Get rid of Jaylen Brown, will do this, We'll do this,
will do this, will do this, We'll bring in Yannis,
they're telling you sometimes with Tatum, we're not We're not
sure if he got that dog Giannis may not be
able to hit a free throw. He wants to dominate. Okay,
Lebrono was wanted to Michael. We all know the players
(20:10):
bird magic. We all know doesn't mean it played great
in every game six and seven. I'm not saying that
everybody has bad games. Here's Rick Buker yesterday on Tatum.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Doesn't have a go to spot, he doesn't have a
go to shot. He took fewer shots at the rim
this season than he ever has in his career, and
his mid range went down as well. What compensated for that,
he took nearly half of his shots from three point range.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So now we're looking.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
At your go to guy, who if his three point
shot is not falling, which it has not in this series,
what's he going.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
To I've said this, Phil Jackson may have had the triangle,
but sometimes Kobe and MJ just went, yeah, we're gonna
do my We're gonna do my triangle, not yours. Give
me the I think Tatum too often complies and is
collaborative with this analytical three point parade, and I think
(21:09):
he should push back. And sometimes guys, I'm getting a bucket,
I'm taking the last eight shots and I'm not shooting threes.
I'm getting buckets. But he's such a nice kid and
he's so collaborative. This is just my opinion that this
three point analytic parade that Boston does, he just goes
along with it. I see him constantly beat guys off
the dribble, then step back and shoo to three. Dude,
(21:30):
just get to the basket and dunk. Just go to
the basket, get better shots. But he is such a
quality guy. And again, to me, there's four things you
gotta have to be an absolute one. And I'm not
saying he doesn't have dogs sometimes, but man, it can
be a struggle.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
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Speaker 2 (21:51):
Promise me you'll we'll bring that that that list for
later on in the show. Then you promise me that's
my it's my current number two. All starts. We must
talk about it later. Okay, deal, you're unhappy?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, anyways, let's get her like gab Ward fresh off
being the number onood pick of the draft, and he's
one of the favorites to win Offensive Bookie of the Year. Well,
last year's winner of the award, Jaden Daniels, had one
of the best rookie seasons for a quarterback in NFL history.
Here's his advice to cam Ward. Just go out there
and have fun. Enjoy playing the game that you've played
(22:26):
since you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Were a kid. Boy, it's that easy. Just have fun,
says Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, I will say this there is you know, somebody
years ago told me in our profession, he said, do
your prep and then let it rip. Don't overthink the room.
There is value in saying like Peyton Manning was a
legendary teeth cuncher Bill Polly and his GM said like
he wanted to practice on Saturday, and Saturday for the
(22:53):
Colts was family Day. Peyton's like, no, I think.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We can get more work in.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There is value to just saying and talking yourself into
I've done the prep, let's go have fun. So I
don't think that's bad advice. I think you get paralysis
by analysis. And I think cam Ward's style is fun
and he should lean into his style. Like I'm gonna
coach Caleb Williams, and I'm gonna coach Jayden Daniels, and
(23:17):
I'm gonna coach.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Laura Jackson.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But the last thing I'm gonna say as a coach
that I'm going out there put my arm around him
and say, you've done the work, go have fun. So
I don't think that's a bad message. And I don't
want I don't want Lamar getting tight. He gets tight
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Go do you you know we obviously our kids play sports.
That's like the last thing I say to them. You
get out of the car at the tournament, Hey, go
have fun, do your best have fun. That's that's the
smart advice from Jade Daniels. Now, the question is you
know we haven't seen cam Warden in a lot of
high leverage games at Miami. He wasn't playing in big ones.
He had some close games. But I like his mindset.
(23:54):
I like his personality. He's low key, he's humble. I
like everything about him. He's a little backyard for ball.
But man, I have to look in the mirror on
that the league is getting more backyard football at quarterbacks like.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Packeck Mahomes started it, I really well.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean not Steve Young and a lot of guys
that moved around, but at some point I watch pure
pocket quarterbacks and it does feel like you don't get
to play with twenty five percent of the playbook.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, for sure. Next up is Aaron Rodgers. Listen.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I tried to stamp him out of the show. What
two weeks ago we did that. He's back, Colin unfortunately
because your guy. Peter Schreger says that Rogers is still
deliberating a decision to sign with Pittsburgh, adding that while
the team doesn't have any further insight than they did
during the drafts, they're willing to wait on the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Is there a world where Rogers is like, hey, let
me see how long.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I can wait this out.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Quarterback somewhere else gets hurt during trading camp Rock Purdy
and the Niners fall apart. Is he Do you think
he's waiting for something else, a better option than the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I don't think there's at Pittsburgh. Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I feel like he this is nobody knows what Aaron.
I feel like he just wants to make sure everything's
right with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's never Everything's never going to be right. If you're
waiting for perfection, we're gonna wait forever.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, But but I think Aaron's take is it's retirement
or the Steelers here. You know, my theory on this
has always been that he's just making sure the brock
Pretty deal is done.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's still not done, right, No, it's not done. A
lot of reports on that that I think from the
Niners to suggest that there's issues, of course not. They
wouldn't leak that well.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Last year with you, they were upfront that was disrupted,
Brock Purties not disrupted.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think if I.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Was Aaron, I'm going to give the Niners negotiations four
or five more days. That's what I would do. I
would take Shanahan over Tom win if I was a quarterback.
So now maybe I'm wrong. And he admitted to this issue.
You know, he acknowledged or told the Steelers. I'm going
if I was Aaron Rodgers, I would make sure the
Brock Pretty deal is all buttoned up. He has also
(25:58):
said publicly i'd pay I'd play for ten million dollars.
Well pretty at fifty two or Airin at ten pretty
easy choice for.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well you go.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm just saying, I mean, Rogers for one, Rudy for four,
Why wouldn't he sign?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know. That's a big mister.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And listen, all these people were reporting nobody knows, nobody
has any clue hearing Brock Perdy. It's closed for like
three months.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, isn't that funny?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So you think it is there's issues behind the scenes.
I'm not saying issues.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm saying if I was Aaron Rodgers, I would much
rather play for Kevin O'Connell or Kyle Shanahan than defensive
minded Pittsburgh out in the East Coast, which I did.
I didn't like it, and it was a circus Pittsburgh
and Aaron R does that feel like at placed? Aaron
Pittsburgh doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So is this like, you know this girl wants to
go to the problem with you You you're not sure. But
the girl you really want, he's on the rocks with
her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
By the way, women do that too to guys.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
If the girl breaks up with her boyfriend all of
a sudden, Hey, I'm cod that's who I want for
the prom. Maybe Rogers really wants the nine.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Nobody knows, and Aaron would never admit of it's true.
But what is he waiting for? And I've always said,
just as a smart guy, if I'm saying I want
to play one more year, Pittsburgh may want two. Maybe
he doesn't want to be a mentor just the idea
I get Kyle Shanahan in California, I can do my
(27:26):
private jet down to Malibu the minute after games end,
or I'm in Pittsburgh. I don't know. See, I'm just
telling you if I was in what he's saying Pittsburgh, Well,
I mean I have a place in Malibu. I didn't
buy a place in Dayton, Ohio. I like the warm weather.
I got a beach place in Malibu. Niners game Saturday,
(27:47):
one o'clock window. I am home on the Beach having
a marguerite at five forty five Coastal Elite count or
I'm having a craft beer at Sully's in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, I'm just saying, what would you do?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, right, you don't have to ask me. Anyways, Let's
go to the final story. God to the NBA. Lebron
and the Lakers obviously lost in the first round. Well, now,
Lebron's on his podcast with Steve Nash, and Lebron addressed
the criticism he and Luca have received since they got
eliminated by the Wolves.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Teams win championships, and I understand that, And it's never
just about me and Luca. It was never just about
you know, Anthony Edwards and Julius Rando. You know, it
was always Minnesota versus the Lakers. And I understand that.
And I am at a point in my career now
where I you know, I don't lose sleep over that
liked it. How did me and Luca lou like, well, yeah,
(28:42):
well there's there's eight other guys on the floor.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And for the record, he's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
When Lebron was in his athletic prime, the eight guys
on the roster did not matter.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
As much.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But at this point with Lebron, the roster composition matters
a lot and the Lakers. This is what I've been
arguing all week. The Lakers roster is not close to
go to.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
They were the three seed and want a ton of
games coming come.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
On regular season. Now, Boston was dominant over New York
in the Red Tatum average like thirty four a game
against the su can't hit a shot. So here's an
interesting thing on Lebron.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
So they lose in the playoffs, he does this podcast,
and you know this is going to go all over
social media.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
People are gonna pick it apart.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I so wish Michael Jordan had been doing a podcast
after that first.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Year in Washington with the Wizards. Well, he was done,
he had his money, he wanted to own the team.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Why they brow didn't I would love to have heard
about because this is another reason people don't like Lebron.
They're just now he's blaming the other eight guys on
the court, which is reality.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He's not blaming them, He's being honest. Minnesota, and this
is true, has a much deeper, better roster.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
The Lakers didn't lose because of Lebron.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
He averaged By the way, twenty five, nine and five
on forty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Series has always sent message. He's very smart. You look
at it as calculated. I look at it as smart.
He is sending a message. Improve the roster.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Game.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Davis is nice in February and March. You get to
the playoffs. We need something a little, we need more Ammos.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Lebron's totally right on this. Yeah, this roster, and I'm sorry,
I'll argue it all day. It's not close.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
How about this bet a better roster the Indiana Pacers
and Pacers.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Do you know how close Pacers have like nine guys
they could play.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, I don't even think anybody in the league would arut.
You take Indiana's roster over the Lakers and Slippers.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Like Ben Matherin's like a seventh or eighth guy. He
would be the sixth man on the Lakers. Undeniable anyways.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
By the way, the Cabs were great in the regular
season too.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
How's that working out? Oh and two?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, see was dominant one in one. Now going to Denver.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I know you're not betting NBA right now, because it's suicidal.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I've got NBA.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Did you look at the lines tonight and Saturday.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
No, give me the lines tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, first of all, all of the road teams are favored.
Pacers are underdogs at home against the Calves. Calves three
and a half. Now they're expected to get their.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Guys back, all of them. Yes, but we don't know
for sure. Celtics are favored in the garden.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that tonight or tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
That's Saturday?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And then tell that's gonna be great. So the game
Saturday is in the.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Garden at like thirty Pacific?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And what's the line?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Celtics three and a half is what I last saw.
I like Boston. I'm sorry I do.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Now that's been going up three and a half four
I think Boston.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
No, I don't think that series is over.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, go to DraftKings. I'm gonna I'm gonna promote that
right now. I'm betting that on my account. Who you
taking Boston?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What's Denver and Oka?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
See? Okayse was at least three and a half last night.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Be careful about that. I would take Denver plus three
and a half at home.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I don't know that that's a serious I don't know.
I don't know who's going to show up I mean
Denver lost came two by.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like thirty eight points, didn't they fifty points?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, but don't you think there's a point they steal
home court and then wave the old white flag in
the first quarter. In fact, why don't you just not
only beat us, humiliate us, give you some false confidence.
Now you come up to the mountains the mile high
take Denver and the points.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Denver going up to one would be a bit of
a shock to the system.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Again, this regular seat, your regular season j Matt postseason count.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Man, I never liked okase all season. I've been saying
this for years. It's two different sports. Yeah, it is
two different sports.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
NFL is more intense, but it's not two different sports.
Hockey's more intense. It's not two different sports. You get
into the basketball playoffs are officiated differently than they the
regular seats.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So can the Celtics win four or five from the.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Next I don't know. I just think they're gonna win
Game three. That's a big ask. It's it's hard to
just beat. And also New York now is so empowered
they they I don't know if New York thought they
would win this series they do now.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
As a reminder, they didn't play great at home against
the Pistons, lost two of three in the Garden, including
a close out game.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What we're watching with this series is not Yeah, I
watched New York struggle with the Pistons and beat Boston
twice at home. What am I watching?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And just make sure I know Saturday is supposed to
be like seventy five degrees beautiful out here in LA.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Just make sure you're too in front of a TV
for that Nick game. That's gonna be crazy. Jmck with
a new Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
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for receiver George Pickens. Some teams pulled by the Athletic
(35:28):
at the time laughed at the idea of inviting Pickens
into their locker room for any price, let alone a
second day draft pick, except the Cowboys gave them up
for a third. So I've said this, I think old
Jerry Jones is becoming old Al Davis of the Raiders.
(35:48):
They both entered the NFL as visionaries and mavericks. They
won titles in their prime, and then they aged really poorly.
Al Davis at the end got rigid and would just
draft fast guys, and Jerry Jones gives away draft picks
now like their skittles. It is a head coach quarterback league,
(36:11):
and Jerry will not draft a quarterback in the first
round and hire second and third tier head coaches. Now,
I do think Dak prescott temperament potentially ensures some level
of success here because he's just got the kind of
you know, eq maturity that he'll make pickins work. But
(36:36):
if you really look at the best teams in this league,
the Baltimore's Philadelphia, the Rams, how they're run. They are
two and three year plans. The Cowboys are doing whatever
feels good today. And George Pickens to all the Cowboy faithful,
it feels good today. But Jeff Howe said, people laughed
(36:57):
at the idea of bringing him Pickens into their locker room.
And this was This was Albert brew yesterday on the
Cowboy acquisition.
Speaker 11 (37:09):
George Pickens, if he's not signed long term at that point,
could be worried about his payday. And his history has
been that he's had trouble controlling his emotions and his
frustrations when he doesn't like the direction of the offense
or his role within it. I think there is a
reality to all of this that's going to have to
be managed early. A lot of this falls at the
feet of the the of the of the new head
(37:30):
coach who you know, Shot, He's got a great personality.
I think I'll do a great job building a culture there.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
You know.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
One of his first jobs now is to to make
sure that everything is clear with the receiver room as
to the roles that they're going to play. How that
could play out over the course of the years.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Okay, so I want to throw this story at you.
It's being reported now by Jeremy Fowler. A reporter said
the Steelers viewed quarterback Shadoor Sanders, who they considered taking
in the fourth round. They considered him quote as a
distributing point guard type and clearly not Magic Johnson. And
(38:12):
so I was thinking about this. So remember before Aaron Rodgers,
because he's rumored to be going to Pittsburgh. Remember when
Aaron Rodgers had not chosen the New York Jets yet
yet they hired Nat Hackett. Now we can say that
Aaron did not force them to, but clearly they were
(38:35):
having discussions. We're not dumb, Aaron. We know Hackett was yours.
That's not who. That's not who. Flores would have hire
the guy that was an abject disaster in Denver. So
here's my take. Pittsburgh needed a quarterback but did not
view Sanders as a star. He was closer to Kenny Pickett,
(39:00):
and that they drafted Will Howard instead of Shadu or Sanders.
Chaudeur is obviously a better prospect than Will Howard because
Aaron coming out of a circus in New York. When
they talked to Aaron with DK Metcalf George Pickens. They
didn't want to add Shoulder Sanders to the mix because
(39:23):
then you look at it and go, oh crap, this
could go sideways fast. And they're in the Aaron Rodgers
recruiting business. That that is another reason all these people
that built a fence around should do or the NFL
doesn't know what they're doing drafting quarterbacks. You know what,
we're finding out that Pittsburgh that's pretty good at the
(39:44):
drafting and developing thing. They kind of viewed him as
a ham and egger, a four or fifth round guy,
which is what Kenny Pickens really should have been. And
in the end, they didn't want a noisy fourth or
fifth round guy because Aaron Rodgers had just come out
of a noisy mess in New York. And one of
the things the Steelers probably sold Aaron on is no
(40:06):
chaos here. We're gonna get rid of Pickens. We'll draft
a backup and stuff that. Aaron's not capable and doesn't
think he'd beat out Shador Sanders. He would, but I
could see Pittsburgh's and this is where the noise really hurts,
is that I could see Pittsburgh sitting there because they
(40:28):
reportedly considered drafting him in the fourth and I think
you have those discussions in the late third and fourth round.
You're sitting there talking as a staff and you're saying, listen,
we have a chance to get Aaron. We really want
George Pickens, Schador Sanders and noise with Aaron. Aaron just
came from noise. I really think those are the kind
(40:49):
of discussions the Pittsburgh Steelers had leading up to the draft,
because I know teams that had those discussions. I know
two teams in particular that had those discussions about Shadur Dad,
Chaduur Noise. So it's just interesting. I think Will Howard
is a quiet draft pick, and you know's he played
(41:13):
in a system at Ohio State, not gonna bring any air.
Everybody knows he's a backup. And I think Shador is
a backup Aaron Rodgers too, but he's not a quiet backup.
The media is just gonna unload on you like t
Bow and be vultures hovering around practice, and Pittsburgh's trying
to sell Aaron. We're not the Jets, We're not a circus.
It's all about football. We're grown ups here. That's why.
(41:36):
I do believe. I do believe that part of the
George Pickens trade is Tomlin saying I don't have a quarterback.
The last thing I need is Aaron thinking babysitting George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
You know, Steelers fans are not gonna like this, Colin,
but I would pass on Rogers.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
You're not gonna be good, right.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You already said, hey, we're trot out Mason UF play
for next year, and then you.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Trade what at the deadline.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
To a team that thinks they can make a Super
Bowl move the Bills, the Ravens, whoever.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
They already get twelve picks, get up to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Get another couple of picks for what, and then game
for next year. I just wouldn't you know?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm TJ. Watt winning you playoff games. I don't know
how many playoff wins? Is he having his career?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
There we go? Is he winning your playoff games? I know,
congratulations in Pittsburgh having his jersey in your closet. Is
he winning your playoff game?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
He's probably the most popular Steelers playing. Ben left you.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's what the Rams care about, That's what the Eagles
care about. Are you winning us playoff games? Not we
sell a lot of his jerseys. Is that what Pittsburgh's
literally become. And he's got value on the market, no question,
all right, Ryan Rossillo, Paul Pearce on a Friday
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