April 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin points out the major difference between the Warriors and the Rockets as Golden State takes a commanding 3-1 lead despite Houston being the #2 seed in the Western Conference
He shares the latest reporting following Shedeur Sanders falling to the 5th round and why his father Deion Sanders gave him bad advice
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go live in Chicago, wherever you may be,
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of your day.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Jmax.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I took the train to work today. I haven't done
that in my entire career. After what was an amazing
playoff game, I just got to look at the ratings
for the Lakers playoff game.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Seven and a half million people watch.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You do not have to be a basketball fan if
you're a casual as a as KD calls it a casual.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Were you not glued to that game.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Last incredible theater. I can't believe Steve Kerr pulled off
the hack a shack to get Adams off the floor.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Genius stuff from Steve Kirk.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So I'm watching that game last night and then I
go to the box score this morning. Houston did so
many things that were good enough to win, great field
goal percentage, didn't take a lot of threes, but hit
a lot of them. Very good on the glass, dominate
points in the paint. But what about late game execution.
That's the NBA playoffs. It was such a classic Warrior
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playoff win. Draymond's on the floor getting the tee. The
game is shippy, Steph's good, but let's a teammate step
up and dominate the fourth and Jimmy Butler and they
have always like one young guy. This time it's Pods
who plays a key role. But this series has been
about who makes the play in the moment. That's the Warriors.
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And you saw Houston's inexperience on display. Jalen Green, a
borderline all star for them, zero points in the second half,
three or four games single digits, and again they're relying
on him his big game. They won the three. He
hasn't played well, lost all of them. So Houston's go
two scorers in the fourth quarter, Fred van Vliet and
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a twenty two year old big that's it. Their final
shot is classic young team trying to win a game
a fifteen foot fallaway. So I think what makes this
more impressive is that basically, the Warriors have conceded size
and physicality. They're not playing Kaminga, the barely playing Kaevon Looney,
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so they're conceding it. Nope, you're gonna be bigger, stronger,
more athletic, and deeper, but we're gonna shoot twice as
many threes. And it's not like the Rockets didn't hit
their threes. But this is where Pods was so crucial
last night. The Warriors always, even in their great teams,
there's always a bench guy or a young guy that
makes an impact. And Jimmy Butler, like a Wiggins, his
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team gets tired of him. And then you go to
the finals and Wigan is playing the Celtics and you're like, oh,
we wouldn't win the finals without him. And last night
in the fourth quarter, it's like, yeah, they don't win
the game without Jimmy Butler. And this is how we've
talked about this. I can't believe they're doing it. I mean,
there's so many advantages for Houston, but this is how
the playoffs work.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You gotta crawl before you walk.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So three of the Rocket starters are twenty three or younger. Well, Colin,
what about the bench Yeah, they go to the bench
to a twenty three year old and a twenty one
year old, So it's like it's just in fact, I
would argue Steven Adams old, Steven Adams was probably the
most consistent Rocket last night, rebounding, physicality and defense. So
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this is what scares everybody in the West about the Warriors,
that Curry doesn't have to be great. They now have
a second scorer who's often better. Pods can light it up. Well,
he felt like, he you know, you come with these
young guys. Houston's got tons of them. The Warriors got
one young guy, and Pods is like, can I take shots?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Is this my moment went? And he felt it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So Pods will probably this point forward give you that
a couple of games in the series. But I mean
to be able to win when Curry's not great, and
Jimmy Butler can lead in the fourth quarter. And then
there was a rebound, the very big rebound at the
end of the game was so classic Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You have all these trees, all this size, all this late.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
For the Houston Rockets, and here's scrappy Jimmy Butler out
maneuvering out physical jumping and seizing the rebound. I mean
between Draymond's defense late on Sengun Sengun, between Jimmy Butler's
rebound between you know, Buddy Healed Classic Warriors. All year long,
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people complained, Oh, let's get rid of Buddy Healed. No,
not really. Remember the Warriors, the Miami Heat team that
had like Miller and Battier and they disappear for moments,
But how many big threes do they hit in those heatels?
Playoffs runs for four years. This was a classic Warrior
performance near Steve Kerr on Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
It's the playoffs and he's Jimmy Butler, so this is
this is what he does.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The rebound at the end.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Was just incredible, the elevation, the force, then of course
knocking down the free throws to clinch it Jimmy was
just amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Probably the most fun yet the most difficult thing I cover,
and we cover all year long, is not games. It's
the NFL Draft. Because I've said this many times. You
get lied to for a month to two months up
to it, and so often during the draft, and every
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few drafts there's a guy that really falls precipitously falls.
This year, it was Sdor Sanders, It's been Aaron Rodgers,
it's been Dan Marino. There's every few years somebody fallows
a lot and so, but those stories don't come out
until like the fall and after the fall, right, and
so Albert Brer had a great article on Shoudeur Sanders,
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and one of the things we talked about this is
what I was told on Friday after the herd. A
GM told me, if he doesn't go by pick thirty
seven thirty eight, he's now a backup. And there's a
lot of teams that do not want that circus as
a backup. Albert Breer in his article says teams generally
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want backups to blend in with the furniture. It's white
guys like t Bow had trouble finding jobs, and white
guys like Cam Newton and Jay Cutler struggled at the
end of their career to find jobs. That's what we
talked about, but there were two other things that came
out that I hadn't heard of. These are huge factors.
So a lot of times when you go to these
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combine meetings, teams give you things to challenge you. Teams
will have a player's worst players ready for him, and
they'll show him his worst plays and say, hey, why
don't you explain him? And Shadeur apparently didn't take to
it well, and at one point one of the few
teams that actually was interested in him said, well, what
do you make of this really bad play? And Shador said,
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you know, maybe I'm not the guy for you. That's
not the answer, since there were only three or four
teams in the first round that we're going to consider
it now that Pittsburgh apparently has a deal with Aaron Rodgers,
so take them out another moment. What they do during
the film and the combine in the meetings is teams
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will install mistakes, intentionally plant it in the install and they.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Want you to catch him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Shador didn't, and when a coach called him out once again,
it didn't sit well. Say, bro, there's not many teams
needing quarterbacks, especially since Pitts appears to have a deal
with Aaron Rodgers, and Tennessee's getting cam Ward, so you're
down to the Giants who were not interested at all,
and Cleveland, who traded out of that two spot because
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clearly they were looking for next year's class. Like the
Rams are and I heard a lot of this. What
about John Elway? His dad didn't want him to play?
What about Eli Manning? John Elway's probably Now, let's take
out the probably. He's the greatest quarterback prospect of all time.
I'm old enough to have watched him in college. There
was no Lway pre Lway. He was a first ballot
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Hall of Famer talent. I mean you think Andrew luck
was bally Hooton talked about ad personality. I mean Lay
could have played for the Yankees. Okay, his football family
the Lway family. So he's not Elway. And oh, by
the way, he's not Eli, who was a much better prospect.
Go look up his draft review. You can look it
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up on the internet. Also, Eli's brother, maybe you've heard
of him, Peyton was the MVP of the league in
Eli's last year in college.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So he's not Eli.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
When you've got unbelievable skill, like Dion Sanders did, you
can sandbag interviews. Dion did and bragged about it. Elway
could have. Elway's dad can play a role. Eli's family
and Archie Manning wasn't jerky about it. He's just like,
I don't want him plan for the Chargers. So I
think this comes down to, let's be honest, Dad and
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Shudor Sanders had a much higher opinion of themselves than
the league did. It happens, It's not the end of
the world. Again, I've said this before. Where you land
is more important than how high you land. Honestly, if
cam Ward was going to sit beside behind Matt Stafford
for two years with the Rams, probably a better place
to go than number one in Tennessee because you make
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your money on your second contract. But here's something to
really think about, because one of the few teams that
was interested at least going into it in January and
February into the draft evaluation was the New York Giants.
Think about this. The Giants offered they wanted a quarterback.
They offered Tennessee two first round picks to get cam Wore.
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Tennessee said no things. Then they traded three picks for
Jackson Dart. So one of the teams that was willing
to give up major picks for a quarterback eventually did,
and the worst interview should or had was reportedly with
that team, the New York Giants. So again just booberrosiasin
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also came out yesterday a popular New York radio holes
former NFL MVP quarterback with Cincinnati. He came out and
said he was told multiple teams owners said we're not
doing this entitled nonsense. So I think, in hindsight, and
this is why the draft is incredibly difficult to cover.
You're lied to constantly. I'm not lied to before a
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Rockets Warriors game or a Super Bowl or March Madness.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Nobody's lying to me. I've been saying this for years.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I have three or four executives I really trust in
the NFL and not many others. In fact, my rule
has always been I will not ask an executive in
the NFL a question about a player if that team
needs that player. I could ask a GM like Brett
Veach in Kansas City about quarterbacks because he's got one,
But I'm not going to ask him about left tackles
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because he doesn't, and I know he's going to give
me an answer that's fuzzy, and I'm putting him in
a bad spot. So I think that the truth of
the matter is when you start looking at these stories
they're coming out now, it's a classic example. There weren't
many job openings. And once he became a backup, once
he turned off the Giants, nobody wanted they want to
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back up. As Albert Breer said, to blend in with
the furniture. And he's not a blending he's not from
a blend in with the furniture family. Yeah, be legendary
before you call yourself. That's how about. That's a rule
going forward for quarterbacks. Just just be legendary. Gotta be
better than thirteen and twelve in college. Be legendary before
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you do a draft room and it's painted all over
the draft room.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And again, it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But what do we always say on the show when
you're a quarterback, everything is something, nothing's everything, but that
legendary is something, all right? J Macthez, I think we
have a bunch of NBA playoff games tonight. How many
do we have tonight? Three or four playoff games tonight?
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Four games tonight?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Bucks Pacers starts at six pm Pacific time. I think
three sorry, three o'clock Pacific, six Eastern. That's an early start.
Pacers Bucks the end of the Yannis era. I can't
wait for you to open that the show with that tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
All right, Yeah, first show in Chicago. We're gonna go
back back in forth La and Chicago a little bit.
Nobody cares about that except me. Obviously, taking the train
to work was fun today. I'd never done that before.
But coming up next, I've argued about it. I think
there's proof we were right on it that the NBA
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doesen need a face of the league.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We've got that next.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
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Speaker 1 (13:16):
We've talked about this a lot on this show, about
this need for the face of the league. First of all,
I do think an international player can be the face
of the NBA, because Shoe Hee Otani is the face
of baseball. Could I have if I'd have told you
fifteen years ago, yeah, the face of baseball, I mean,
each zero was popular, but the face of baseball will
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not be from the States. You'd have said, whoa, whoa.
The face of baseball is Otani. Aaron Judges. Second, It's okay. Oh,
Vechkin hockey, We've talked about this MESSI is now the
face of the MLS. Folks, the borders, they're all fuzzy.
Now it's globalization, it's all fuzzy. But I do think
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it helps if you have a domestic face of the league.
For basketball. I don't think NBA is better if it's
more domestic. In fact, I think it's better if it's
more European. I think in European influence makes the game
more skilled, especially with big guys. But I do think
there's an argument that if I can watch you in
March Madness for a couple of years, like college football,
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Baker Mayfield, then you go to the pros.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think it helps.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Because a lot of these international guys they just don't
want to be faced of the league. Jokisch has no
interest but and checks a lot of boxes. Now, he
did go to a football school, he didn't make March Madness,
and he got drafted by the Minneapolis te Wolves Minnesota
TI Wolves. That doesn't help. But he's handsome, his game
is dynamic. The worst thing you can do is try
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to force this. I mean, like the Jason Tatum thing.
Jason Tatum is a great player, but his game is
fundamentally great. Fundamentals don't feel like face of the league.
Tim Duncan was called the big fundamental. He was never
the face of the league. It doesn't mean he wasn't
the best power forward. I think I heard Charles Barkley
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say last week he thought Tim Duncan was the best
power forward of all time. I probably agree, but he
was a fundamental player. Jason Tatum might trout feel more
like that. You know there is an esthetic to being
great now. I do think it helps if you knock
out Lebron and the Lakers. I do think it helped
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last year beating and knocking out the defending champion Denver Nuggets.
I think that stuff really helps. But going to Minneapolis,
playing at Georgia, not making March Madness makes it an
uphill climb, and I think that's one of the things
about being faced in the league. In the NBA, the
NBA is very different. In the NFL, it's all about winning.
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Nobody cares about anything else. Basketball is different. Optics matter,
style matters. The first player I fell in love with
was Doctor j. He wasn't the best, shit are the
best ball handler. He was cool, sweeping his hands under
the back. It is like I've never seen anything like that,
and many I mean, I've argued there's only been five
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to six faces of the league ever, Magic and Bird,
more magic than Bird because Magic embraced it. Lebron, MJ. Staff,
Kobe Shack, that's it. Duncan was never that Kobe by himself.
I didn't think was ever that it was more of
a Kobe Shack tandem deal. But the ratings for these
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playoff games have been excellent. Lakers game something got a
big number. I don't think you have to have Ocean's
eleven was fine with a bunch of good actors. The
NFL as popular as it is, farv retired, Brady retired,
Manning retired, Aaron's going to retire. Ratings go up. But
we live in a very distracted world right now. And
I will say this, The problem the NBA has is
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its regular season ratings well SODA's hockey and baseball. So
we've talked about this on the show Life. We've become
an event nation with all the distractions, a very polarizing
political world. Trump, Biden, it doesn't matter. It's a very
polarizing world we live in. Biden was polarizing, Trump's polarize.
So you're just losing people. But you know when you
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don't lose him when the games matter, World Cup, Olympics,
NFL Sunday, college football, and these playoff games. I think
Ant has a chance to be the face of the league.
Most of the faces of the league, if not initially,
eventually got a great coach. Took Michael a fewd to
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get Phil. I do think Chris Finch has a low
profile because he has no interest being, you know, front
and center. But right now they're out coaching JJ Reddick,
who I like, but they are throwing so many different
lineups and so many different looks. Finch within the league
is very highly regarded, so it's not always your first coach,
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and it's not always the highest profile coach. Lebron's a
little bit of an outlier where he's had multiple coaches.
But most of the time, you get a Magic and
a pat Riley, you get a Michael and a Phil Jackson,
you get a Staff and a Steve Kerr. There's like
a legendary coach. This is the same with quarterbacks. Marino
has a Shoela, Elway has got a Shanahan, Brady's got
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a Belichick, Mahomes has an Andy Reid, Breeze has a
Sean Payton most of the time. Eventually, you need that
great coach to really understand you, to elevate you, to
surround you with the right people. So I think Ant
has a shot to be the face of the league.
Knocking the Lakers out will not hurt, and it looks
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like they will.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Jmck with a.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
News this is the herd Line news and the other thing.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Jmack to throw this out there, I'd argue it's a
better plan of action to not have a face of
the league, arguably because when MJ left for eight years,
the ratings fell off. When Shaq and Kobe broke up,
the ratings. I mean, let's be honest, Hollywood now is
depending every year on a Tom Cruise movie in Minecraft.
That's what the industry has got. I mean they're literally
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or a Christopher Nolan movie Sinners.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Come on, that's popping it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's supposed to be great. That's supposed to be great.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, all right, let's get started with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Colin. They kind of had a good draft pick, I
guess in Tyler Booker twelfth.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Overall, he made a great impression going on the Micah
Parsons podcast.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Very impressive stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Jerry Jones introduced the first round pick to the media
and made a lofty comparison.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Listening to Tyler, I'm reminded that, uh, I don't know
that we ever see a Super Bowl that I would
have a chance to be a part of if it
weren't for Michael Urban and Michael we know the competitor,
we know of the challenger, and we know the spirit.
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But part of Michael Irvin that was most impressive because
he was the leader.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna compare a guard
to Michael Irvin. I think I think Aikman also had
to say in this you know what's interesting, there's a
guy you know and Warren Sharp. Yes, So Warren Sharp
is if you really he comes out with a book
every year and it's like an LA phone book. I mean,
if you love it's like Phil Steele, you got to
love football to love it. But it's super I get it,
Warren Warren Sharp, Yeah, I get it too, and I
go through it. Warren Sharp points out that there are
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some analytics on Tyler Booker the Cowboys that that predict
he's going to struggle. But there is something I think
what Jerry's saying is there are players that are cert
at a certain level, are passionate, and there they sort
of galvanize the team. They're kind of front and center
off the bus, and I do think Booker has that quality.
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But there are there are some analytics if you look
at his length and you look at some stats that
tell you it may have been a reach. So I
don't totally disagree with you. I will take it a
different direction. So we know Jerry Jones's old school. He's
very much like the current president. When they watch TV
and hear stuff being said about them, they kind of respond.
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Michael Irvin was on this show, you remember on Friday.
Michael Irvin was not raving about what the Cowboys did.
I think this was an olive brinch. Hey, Mike, I
know you didn't love the Booker pick. I know you
don't love the direction, and we need.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Other stuff, but man, we got a guy who's a leader.
I think this is Jerry trying to win back over
one of his favorite all time players, not that he
lost him, but I think a lot of Cowboys fans
were kind of scratching their head. Colin with an interior
lineman Top fifteen when there are needs at wide receiver
and all over the defense.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, I mean, listen. I didn't like the Miami Dolphins draft.
I thought the Niners draft was weird. And I haven't
in recent years been impressed with the Cowboy drafts.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I just haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I tend to like the drafts of the gms who
I think are brilliant, Howie Roseman, John Snyder in Seattle,
Brett Veach in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think being in Buffalo is really really good. I
don't want to there's about.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, Jason Light in Tampa seems to me always
gets good players. Dallas has been weird where I look
at a lot of their draft picks and I always
feel like, yeah, I don't remember him from college where
I watched the Seahawks draft picks. I'm like, I watched
all of those guys in big games and they were
all productive, and so we'll see. I'm not gonna hand
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out grades. I just don't really know, but I have
felt in recent years with Dallas picks that they've been
pretty good on their first pick and then it's just
a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I have a feeling by Halloween we're gonna have to
revisit this because this could be like a five or
six win Cowboys team.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
You and I agree on that.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I don't think Booker's significantly moving the needle with that team,
all right.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Next up is Ben Johnson Colin. He's in the early.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Stages of reshaping the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Now this is interest.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Following the draft, Johnson spoke to the media saying he
doesn't know for sure what players will be in what
spot because everyone has to earn their spot.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
The moment the players got back in the building, call
it three weeks ago. Now, it was going to be
in competitive environment.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
There is no depth chart right now.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
If you want to play, you got to go earn it.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
If you want a role, you got to go earn it.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
They know that, so we were very straightforward and honest
with them when they came into the building. I think
all we did this weekend was we might have just
turned up the notch just a couple of dials for
certain people in the building. So that's a good thing.
That's a healthy thing. That's where you bring out the
best not only in your team, but in each individual.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I had said this before Caleb got picked. I said,
I really worry about Chicago. They just don't do quarterback well.
Years ago, when I lived in Connecticut, there was a
private boys school. It's called Avon Old Farms, and I
I knew parents who sent their sons there, and they
always said they do boys well, like they get boys
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at eighteen nineteen get into trouble like the Bears don't
do quarterback well, and they never have.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's always been a defensive culture. This is the.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
First time in my life, and I've been watching football since,
you know, early mid seventies. I can remember watching in
a black and white TV Washington Miami George Allen against
Miami in the Super Bowl nineteen seventy two. Miami won
at fourteen seven, I think, so first time I've looked
at the Chicago Bears and thought, oh, this is an
offensive franchise. You got to give them credit. Remember a
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few years ago Miami did this when they had Brian
Floor as the defensive coach and he was alienating to
and they said, Okay, we're gonna go, We're gonna pivot
to an offensive franchise. Tyreek Hill, Mike McDaniel. I honestly
think that's harder than people think. The Steelers can't do this.
They've been struggling with this for a decade. I think
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the Bears have done something that is very difficult when
you been your best, when you've been dominant defensively in
a Midwest town. The Bears have clearly is a franchise
pivot to do guys. We're spending money on offensive guys.
This is what the Steeler should have done seven years
ago and can't. It's what the Bears are doing. And
I think it's a playoff roster.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, listen, I would agree with that. The playoff is
the roster is playoff worthy. The schedule is brutal. But
to Ben Johnson's point, Colin, I look at this depth
chart and I think he was talking about two guys
about hey, nothing's given.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I think Cole Comett is won at tight end.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I know they liked him, he was good, but there's
a reason they drafted Colson Loveland tenth overall. And I
think the other guy to watch is DJ Moore. He
had some moments last year. I'm sure you remember where
he didn't seem thrilled with the quarterback. And I look
at that drafting of Luther Burden, that dude is a
dog he is very good fast.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I think I would keep an eye on DJ Moore
and Cole Comet.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm not saying they're losing their jobs or anything, but
I don't think anything's given. They're gonna have to work
for it. It's not like, hey, you're the incumbent, You're
a lot. So I'm Chicago's gonna be super interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Obviously. Final story, Colin is the NBA.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
And listen, you knew this was coming if you've been
watching this show, We've been talking about it for a while.
Yanni's and the Bucks are in trouble. They are facing
elimination in Game five tonight. I cannot believe the Pacers
are only eight point favorites.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
It feels like free money.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
No Dame Lillard, you know the Bucks are shook when
everybody's favorite guy, Dame Lillard goes down with the Achilles. Well,
how about this. Brian Winhorst, who you.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
And I know well, believes the entire NBA.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Offseason will hinge on Giannis, whether he stays or asks
out of Milwaukee. That a couple of weeks ago, it
was Vin Durant. Now it's Yannis your thought.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, So first of all, everybody's gonna freak out in Milwaukee.
A lot of teams. The Sacramento Kings, remember that never
got a ring.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You got a ring.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, now you didn't get two to three, but you
got a trophy. The Denver Nuggets swiping Joker got a trophy.
So you drafted him, you developed him, you got a trophy.
We've been on this for three years. You're old, You're
not built, You're you're just too old. I my take
is everybody's going to freak out. But if you do
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good GMing, you will be set up for a decade.
If you go back in the mid seventies, I remember
this when Kareem gets traded to the Lakers. Milwaukee got
really good players. Now they never won a title, but
they were viable for a decade. They had good teams.
They were believe we didn't have the internet. They were
on Sports Illustrated all the time. They were I mean,
(27:41):
you talked about the Milwaukee Bucks for about a decade.
You could get four firsts. You could get multiple players,
one maybe an All Star. Because remember, Giannis is the
kind of guy where teams will fight over him. Yeah, okay,
look at what Rudy Gobar got. Okay, so this idea
that Milwaukee's sunk. No, Milwaukee, you're not a viable trophy team.
(28:06):
You could be a viable trophy team with the right trade.
I mean, good God, if the Mavericks would have gotten
three first ad and Austin Reeves, you'd feel the different
about that today.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And so it's yeah, Colin, I'm sure there's Bucks fans
out there who are like, no, we're not trading. Honest, guys,
they have zero first round picks for I believe the
next four drafts, so you can't build through the draft.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
They are in salary cap.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Hell, they have no nobody on their roster, Colin, anybody wants.
Can you believe they have Kyle Kuzma. He is so
awful in this series. Bucks fans are out on him.
Brook Lopez is what like thirty seven. There's literally nobody
on the roster anybody wants. So there is no path
to rebuilding with Yannis. You have to say, Yannis, we
can quietly trade you. If you ask out, the market shrinks.
(28:52):
But like right now, you know the Orlando Magic could
make a play for Yannis and say we're going to
go all in for two years. Like that could happen.
Remember Paul George when he asked out of Indy, he
went to Oklahoma City. They took a chance. It didn't
quite work out, but like I can see Giannis going
to another small market for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's possible.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Look at look at what.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
McHale Bridges got. McHale Bridges got five first round picks.
So because the draft is so wonky in college basketball
and NBA now, but I mean you could set yourself up.
I mean you go back. This is what Danny Ainge
has done multiple times, Like in Utah, he's just will file.
(29:33):
Oklahoma City did the Sam Presty. Now, Presty got lucky
because as they were building, like Danny Age and the Celtics,
they were actually good. Presty's that good. Danny Ainge is
that good. But this will come down to good GMing.
You could easily get four to five first round picks
and like two McHale Bridges level players and then another
borderline all star. I think you got to look at Houston.
(29:55):
I think you could get five first round picks in
a Jalen Green, Amen Thompson. I mean you think that
sounds like too much, go look at Rudyer Bear and
Michale Bridges and there by the way, there wasn't a
tug of war over Rudy Gobert, I mean Yannis. There
could be seven to ten teams in the league that
fight over Yannis.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Houston could have used Jannis last night down the stretch
against Dog Golden State.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Hunh.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
They didn't have a go to guy. And I know
Green really struggled in that game. But that's a young
guy up and down. But Joanna's fascinating all off season.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Jmck with the news.
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Speaker 1 (32:08):
Saturday seven Eastern on Fox Taya Jmack. This town screams
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Speaker 5 (32:18):
You signing autographs on the train?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
There? No, okay, keep my head down and work and
back a couple photo ops. Huh No, none of those.
So the Niners paid George Kittle. It's a big contract.
George Kittle is very good. He's thirty one, he's been
banged up, but he mostly plays every Sunday. So but
but I do believe they have to pay George Kittle.
So I was thinking about this. I've said before the
Niners missing a lot of draft picks. Shanahan, in my
(32:42):
opinion from what I've been told, kind of controls the draft.
I didn't love their draft this weekend. I thought the
weird picks. But the Niners are sort of the opposite
of the Chiefs and the Rams. The Chiefs walked away
from Tyreek Hill, a Sneed, the very talented corner d Ford,
Tarvarius war Joe Tooney. They walked away from Jujus ms
(33:04):
Schuster say what you want was their number one receiver
in the playoffs. They walked away from him. Why Mahomes,
the Rams walk away the minute. Cooper Cup ages by
Trent Williams has been aging for years, so is Christian McCaffrey.
They're not letting them go. Todd Gurley led the league.
I think in touchdowns back to back years started aging.
(33:25):
Mcveigh's like, get him out of here because he trusted
Golf and Kansas City trusts. Mahomes is the Niners, they're
the opposite. They pay almost everybody, even when they lose.
Guys like the safety Hufunga. They wanted to pay him,
they couldn't make it work. But I was looking this
morning at the notable Niner contracts. They're top of the
market for all of them. Christian McCaffrey positional money rank second,
(33:50):
George Kittle first, Trent Williams first, Fred Warner second, Nick
Bosa top five, Brandon Iuke top seven. Is a receiver.
And my take is why because of brock Purty, Dallas
does this. They'll pay Mike at top of the market.
They'll pay Cedee Lamb talk of the mark, top of
the market. Whatever you think about a quarterback, teams are
(34:13):
not going to come out and tell you what you
want to hear. Guys like me want to hear the
Niners be honest about purty.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
They're not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
But what they decide to move off of or resign,
I mean, San France just goes old. Why are the
Rams so young? Because they trust mcvah and Stafford. They
move off Jalen Ramsey, a girly, a cup, They move
off good corners. They move off people all the time.
The minute you show age, you're out. Von Miller by Buffalo,
(34:47):
you pay him, and I think a great head coach
and a truly great quarterback gives you so much freedom.
Rams don't pay anybody on defense.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Look it up.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They don't pay anybody. They're the opposite of the Steelers,
who pay everybody on defense.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Why they have to. They're not good at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But when you watch Brett Veach in Kansas City, he's
got Reding Mahomes. Chris Jones will pay, Kelsey will pay.
Those are Hall of Fame guys. But good guys, very
good guys.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
We'll move off.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I'm not knocking the Kittle contract. George deserves it. He
plays a physical brand of football, yet is available on
every Sunday. Look at Buffalo, they moved off Stefan Diggs,
Gabe Davis. No effect, absolutely no effect. And these are
all very good tight ends. But they have to pay
(35:44):
Christian McCaffrey. They can't move off Trent Williams.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I mean they paid Deebo, they paid AYUK, they paid Kittle, Trent, Christian,
they pay everybody because they have to. So if you
like Purtty, so do I. But if you love him,
he's more dacked and the niners are telling you that
you don't have a choice. You have to pay CD Lamb.
(36:09):
So this story is actually now because it is a
little odd. I think nobody's quite sure how to cover it.
And I don't think there's any great valor in sticking
to an opinion if it's not the right opinion. I've
said on this show for years. I want to get
(36:29):
it right, not be right. And I have changed my
opinion on Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson's relationship. Yeah, the
age GAP's a little uncomfortable for people. They're two consenting adults.
But it's really interesting this interview on CBS. So Bill's
now got his hands on spygate, deflate gate, and interview gate.
(36:51):
He's got more gates than O'Hair. Here's the interview Sunday
that really changed my mind on how I view his
young twenty.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Four year old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You have Jordan thread over there.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
They've got an opinion about your private life.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
He's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested
in it.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Never been too worried about what everybody else thanks, just
to try to do what I feel like is be'st
for me and what's right?
Speaker 3 (37:22):
How did you guys meet? Not talking about this? No, no,
okay like that to me. She's not arm candy.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
She's a real protective pr director, social influencer.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Bill didn't need that in the NFL. Nobody needs that
in the NFL. You need it in college. Who was
trending last night? In America?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Bill Belichick? When the Rockets and Warriors are playing, Yeah,
that matters. Eighteen year old draw on their phone all day.
Dad's mostly not in the NFL. You choose the players
in college, they choose you. And the truth is Carolina
can go toe to toe with Ohio State and Oregon
in Georgia for nil in Texas, so they need influence,
(38:06):
they need to be connected to young people and listen,
she is a bridge and it works. And when I
saw her not only protect him. I've been in the
rooms like that and heard PR people say that if
you do an interview with sixty minutes and you're a president,
you got about four of those and they often stop
the interview. We're not asking that. That's what a real
PR director does. So yeah, the age thing, I get.
(38:29):
It's uncomfortable. My wife doesn't like it like I get it,
and I didn't like it either. But when I watched that,
I was like, Okay, that's exactly I've seen that. That's
a professional. And yes, they both have something to gain
in the relationship. You know, folks, a lot of people
that are dating have something to gain in the relationship.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
That's sort of.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
The way it works. You know, you find her super attractive,
she finds you to be funny. You know, she needs
to be funnier and have more fun. You provide it, right,
like she he's a social magnet, a butterfly.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You're benefiting from it, like everybody's benefiting from something. And
so I look at this whole thing now and I
just I see it differently. Yeah, she's attractive, okay, whatever,
she's feisty, she's protecting him, she's a social bridge. She
obviously gets the entire currency of stuff that I don't like,
Like Bill seventy. I mean, this is a guy that
(39:26):
famously called it snap Graham and in the chat like now,
I think he was going over the top and had
an idea what it was called. But I'm not. I'm
not worried as much about being right as getting it right.
And I flipped my opinion on this. There was a moment.
Haven't you all done this in your life where you
don't believe in something, you don't believe in something I
don't believe in.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I don't believe in UFOs.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think they're either a technology that China's ahead of us,
or I think there are government hiding something, or I
think there are planes and you've had too many cocktails.
I don't believe in UFOs. But landed next to my
house here in Chicago and Little Green Men popped out,
I'd have a different take on tomorrow show, Like I'm
willing to learn stuff, and so yeah, the minute I
(40:11):
see something, I'm not a big believer in ghosts.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I think there's spirits.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But again, if I was at a hotel, I woke
up in the middle of the night and somebody's talking
to me in a robe, sitting at the edge of
the bed, I gotta be honest. New opinion. I'm hoping
it doesn't happen. But the whole thing kind of works
for me. Now Bill's the star of the show. She's
protecting and assisting him. It's okay. For the record, every
(40:38):
coach in college football has this kind of assistant.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
They're not dating them necessarily, but they.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
All have this.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Everybody's got this.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You're not getting Ryan Day for an interview without an
SID sitting next to you.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's not working.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
They're not Ohio States, Hey, Ryan, go on.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
The local show.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's not the way it works.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So JA I know, Jmack, you still are struggling with
the age gap.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I understand that I can't hear you, Jmack. For some reason,
I can't hear you.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think it's very cool that Bill Belichick is dating
a twenty five year old. The problem is she's starting
to get increasingly involved in unc business interviews.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
That is not great, But I like what you said
at the outset. This is tough to like cover. I
don't know how to talk about this situation. It's just
this is new ground. Like when was the last time
you discussed a coach dating someone fifty years younger than him.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yes, it's different, there's a you know it's again. When
Bill went to Carolina, my takeaway was he's gonna have
no time for the bureaucracy of the NCAA or the
bureaucracy of a college campus. Where can you come watch
the volleyball match?
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
I took the train to work today. I haven't done
that in my entire career. After what was an amazing
playoff game, I just got to look at the ratings
for the Lakers playoff game.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Seven and a half million people watch.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You do not have to be a basketball fan if
you're a casual as a as KD calls it a casual.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Were you not glued to that game.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Last incredible theater. I can't believe Steve Kerr pulled off
the hack a shack to get Adams off the floor.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Genius stuff from Steve Kirk.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So I'm watching that game last night and then I
go to the box score this morning. Houston did so
many things that were good enough to win, great field
goal percentage, didn't take a lot of threes, but hit
a lot of them. Very good on the glass, dominate
points in the paint. But what about late game execution.
That's the NBA playoffs. It was such a classic Warrior
(01:29):
playoff win. Draymond's on the floor getting the tee. The
game is shippy, Steph's good, but let's a teammate step
up and dominate the fourth and Jimmy Butler and they
have always like one young guy. This time it's Pods
who plays a key role. But this series has been
about who makes the play in the moment. That's the Warriors.
(01:50):
And you saw Houston's inexperience on display. Jalen Green, a
borderline all star for them, zero points in the second half,
three or four games single digits, and again they're relying
on him his big game. They won the three. He
hasn't played well, lost all of them. So Houston's go
two scorers in the fourth quarter, Fred van Vliet and
(02:13):
a twenty two year old big that's it. Their final
shot is classic young team trying to win a game
a fifteen foot fallaway. So I think what makes this
more impressive is that basically, the Warriors have conceded size
and physicality. They're not playing Kaminga, the barely playing Kaevon Looney,
(02:34):
so they're conceding it. Nope, you're gonna be bigger, stronger,
more athletic, and deeper, but we're gonna shoot twice as
many threes. And it's not like the Rockets didn't hit
their threes. But this is where Pods was so crucial
last night. The Warriors always, even in their great teams,
there's always a bench guy or a young guy that
makes an impact. And Jimmy Butler, like a Wiggins, his
(02:57):
team gets tired of him. And then you go to
the finals and Wigan is playing the Celtics and you're like, oh,
we wouldn't win the finals without him. And last night
in the fourth quarter, it's like, yeah, they don't win
the game without Jimmy Butler. And this is how we've
talked about this. I can't believe they're doing it. I mean,
there's so many advantages for Houston, but this is how
the playoffs work.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You gotta crawl before you walk.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So three of the Rocket starters are twenty three or younger. Well, Colin,
what about the bench Yeah, they go to the bench
to a twenty three year old and a twenty one
year old, So it's like it's just in fact, I
would argue Steven Adams old, Steven Adams was probably the
most consistent Rocket last night, rebounding, physicality and defense. So
(03:38):
this is what scares everybody in the West about the Warriors,
that Curry doesn't have to be great. They now have
a second scorer who's often better. Pods can light it up. Well,
he felt like, he you know, you come with these
young guys. Houston's got tons of them. The Warriors got
one young guy, and Pods is like, can I take shots?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Is this my moment went? And he felt it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So Pods will probably this point forward give you that
a couple of games in the series. But I mean
to be able to win when Curry's not great, and
Jimmy Butler can lead in the fourth quarter. And then
there was a rebound, the very big rebound at the
end of the game was so classic Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You have all these trees, all this size, all this late.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
For the Houston Rockets, and here's scrappy Jimmy Butler out
maneuvering out physical jumping and seizing the rebound. I mean
between Draymond's defense late on Sengun Sengun, between Jimmy Butler's
rebound between you know, Buddy Healed Classic Warriors. All year long,
(04:44):
people complained, Oh, let's get rid of Buddy Healed. No,
not really. Remember the Warriors, the Miami Heat team that
had like Miller and Battier and they disappear for moments,
But how many big threes do they hit in those heatels?
Playoffs runs for four years. This was a classic Warrior
performance near Steve Kerr on Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
It's the playoffs and he's Jimmy Butler, so this is
this is what he does.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The rebound at the end.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Was just incredible, the elevation, the force, then of course
knocking down the free throws to clinch it Jimmy was
just amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Probably the most fun yet the most difficult thing I cover,
and we cover all year long, is not games. It's
the NFL Draft. Because I've said this many times. You
get lied to for a month to two months up
to it, and so often during the draft, and every
(05:53):
few drafts there's a guy that really falls precipitously falls.
This year, it was Sdor Sanders, It's been Aaron Rodgers,
it's been Dan Marino. There's every few years somebody fallows
a lot and so, but those stories don't come out
until like the fall and after the fall, right, and
so Albert Brer had a great article on Shoudeur Sanders,
(06:16):
and one of the things we talked about this is
what I was told on Friday after the herd. A
GM told me, if he doesn't go by pick thirty
seven thirty eight, he's now a backup. And there's a
lot of teams that do not want that circus as
a backup. Albert Breer in his article says teams generally
(06:36):
want backups to blend in with the furniture. It's white
guys like t Bow had trouble finding jobs, and white
guys like Cam Newton and Jay Cutler struggled at the
end of their career to find jobs. That's what we
talked about, but there were two other things that came
out that I hadn't heard of. These are huge factors.
So a lot of times when you go to these
(06:56):
combine meetings, teams give you things to challenge you. Teams
will have a player's worst players ready for him, and
they'll show him his worst plays and say, hey, why
don't you explain him? And Shadeur apparently didn't take to
it well, and at one point one of the few
teams that actually was interested in him said, well, what
do you make of this really bad play? And Shador said,
(07:19):
you know, maybe I'm not the guy for you. That's
not the answer, since there were only three or four
teams in the first round that we're going to consider
it now that Pittsburgh apparently has a deal with Aaron Rodgers,
so take them out another moment. What they do during
the film and the combine in the meetings is teams
(07:40):
will install mistakes, intentionally plant it in the install and they.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Want you to catch him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Shador didn't, and when a coach called him out once again,
it didn't sit well. Say, bro, there's not many teams
needing quarterbacks, especially since Pitts appears to have a deal
with Aaron Rodgers, and Tennessee's getting cam Ward, so you're
down to the Giants who were not interested at all,
and Cleveland, who traded out of that two spot because
(08:10):
clearly they were looking for next year's class. Like the
Rams are and I heard a lot of this. What
about John Elway? His dad didn't want him to play?
What about Eli Manning? John Elway's probably Now, let's take
out the probably. He's the greatest quarterback prospect of all time.
I'm old enough to have watched him in college. There
was no Lway pre Lway. He was a first ballot
(08:33):
Hall of Famer talent. I mean you think Andrew luck
was bally Hooton talked about ad personality. I mean Lay
could have played for the Yankees. Okay, his football family
the Lway family. So he's not Elway. And oh, by
the way, he's not Eli, who was a much better prospect.
Go look up his draft review. You can look it
(08:54):
up on the internet. Also, Eli's brother, maybe you've heard
of him, Peyton was the MVP of the league in
Eli's last year in college.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So he's not Eli.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
When you've got unbelievable skill, like Dion Sanders did, you
can sandbag interviews. Dion did and bragged about it. Elway
could have. Elway's dad can play a role. Eli's family
and Archie Manning wasn't jerky about it. He's just like,
I don't want him plan for the Chargers. So I
think this comes down to, let's be honest, Dad and
(09:24):
Shudor Sanders had a much higher opinion of themselves than
the league did. It happens, It's not the end of
the world. Again, I've said this before. Where you land
is more important than how high you land. Honestly, if
cam Ward was going to sit beside behind Matt Stafford
for two years with the Rams, probably a better place
to go than number one in Tennessee because you make
(09:45):
your money on your second contract. But here's something to
really think about, because one of the few teams that
was interested at least going into it in January and
February into the draft evaluation was the New York Giants.
Think about this. The Giants offered they wanted a quarterback.
They offered Tennessee two first round picks to get cam Wore.
(10:06):
Tennessee said no things. Then they traded three picks for
Jackson Dart. So one of the teams that was willing
to give up major picks for a quarterback eventually did,
and the worst interview should or had was reportedly with
that team, the New York Giants. So again just booberrosiasin
(10:29):
also came out yesterday a popular New York radio holes
former NFL MVP quarterback with Cincinnati. He came out and
said he was told multiple teams owners said we're not
doing this entitled nonsense. So I think, in hindsight, and
this is why the draft is incredibly difficult to cover.
You're lied to constantly. I'm not lied to before a
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Rockets Warriors game or a Super Bowl or March Madness.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Nobody's lying to me. I've been saying this for years.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I have three or four executives I really trust in
the NFL and not many others. In fact, my rule
has always been I will not ask an executive in
the NFL a question about a player if that team
needs that player. I could ask a GM like Brett
Veach in Kansas City about quarterbacks because he's got one,
But I'm not going to ask him about left tackles
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because he doesn't, and I know he's going to give
me an answer that's fuzzy, and I'm putting him in
a bad spot. So I think that the truth of
the matter is when you start looking at these stories
they're coming out now, it's a classic example. There weren't
many job openings. And once he became a backup, once
he turned off the Giants, nobody wanted they want to
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back up. As Albert Breer said, to blend in with
the furniture. And he's not a blending he's not from
a blend in with the furniture family. Yeah, be legendary
before you call yourself. That's how about. That's a rule
going forward for quarterbacks. Just just be legendary. Gotta be
better than thirteen and twelve in college. Be legendary before
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you do a draft room and it's painted all over
the draft room.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And again, it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But what do we always say on the show when
you're a quarterback, everything is something, nothing's everything, but that
legendary is something, all right? J Macthez, I think we
have a bunch of NBA playoff games tonight. How many
do we have tonight? Three or four playoff games tonight?
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Four games tonight?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Bucks Pacers starts at six pm Pacific time. I think
three sorry, three o'clock Pacific, six Eastern. That's an early start.
Pacers Bucks the end of the Yannis era. I can't
wait for you to open that the show with that tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
All right, Yeah, first show in Chicago. We're gonna go
back back in forth La and Chicago a little bit.
Nobody cares about that except me. Obviously, taking the train
to work was fun today. I'd never done that before.
But coming up next, I've argued about it. I think
there's proof we were right on it that the NBA
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doesen need a face of the league.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We've got that next.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
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Speaker 1 (13:16):
We've talked about this a lot on this show, about
this need for the face of the league. First of all,
I do think an international player can be the face
of the NBA, because Shoe Hee Otani is the face
of baseball. Could I have if I'd have told you
fifteen years ago, yeah, the face of baseball, I mean,
each zero was popular, but the face of baseball will
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not be from the States. You'd have said, whoa, whoa.
The face of baseball is Otani. Aaron Judges. Second, It's okay. Oh,
Vechkin hockey, We've talked about this MESSI is now the
face of the MLS. Folks, the borders, they're all fuzzy.
Now it's globalization, it's all fuzzy. But I do think
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it helps if you have a domestic face of the league.
For basketball. I don't think NBA is better if it's
more domestic. In fact, I think it's better if it's
more European. I think in European influence makes the game
more skilled, especially with big guys. But I do think
there's an argument that if I can watch you in
March Madness for a couple of years, like college football,
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Baker Mayfield, then you go to the pros.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think it helps.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Because a lot of these international guys they just don't
want to be faced of the league. Jokisch has no
interest but and checks a lot of boxes. Now, he
did go to a football school, he didn't make March Madness,
and he got drafted by the Minneapolis te Wolves Minnesota
TI Wolves. That doesn't help. But he's handsome, his game
is dynamic. The worst thing you can do is try
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to force this. I mean, like the Jason Tatum thing.
Jason Tatum is a great player, but his game is
fundamentally great. Fundamentals don't feel like face of the league.
Tim Duncan was called the big fundamental. He was never
the face of the league. It doesn't mean he wasn't
the best power forward. I think I heard Charles Barkley
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say last week he thought Tim Duncan was the best
power forward of all time. I probably agree, but he
was a fundamental player. Jason Tatum might trout feel more
like that. You know there is an esthetic to being
great now. I do think it helps if you knock
out Lebron and the Lakers. I do think it helped
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last year beating and knocking out the defending champion Denver Nuggets.
I think that stuff really helps. But going to Minneapolis,
playing at Georgia, not making March Madness makes it an
uphill climb, and I think that's one of the things
about being faced in the league. In the NBA, the
NBA is very different. In the NFL, it's all about winning.
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Nobody cares about anything else. Basketball is different. Optics matter,
style matters. The first player I fell in love with
was Doctor j. He wasn't the best, shit are the
best ball handler. He was cool, sweeping his hands under
the back. It is like I've never seen anything like that,
and many I mean, I've argued there's only been five
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to six faces of the league ever, Magic and Bird,
more magic than Bird because Magic embraced it. Lebron, MJ. Staff,
Kobe Shack, that's it. Duncan was never that Kobe by himself.
I didn't think was ever that it was more of
a Kobe Shack tandem deal. But the ratings for these
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playoff games have been excellent. Lakers game something got a
big number. I don't think you have to have Ocean's
eleven was fine with a bunch of good actors. The
NFL as popular as it is, farv retired, Brady retired,
Manning retired, Aaron's going to retire. Ratings go up. But
we live in a very distracted world right now. And
I will say this, The problem the NBA has is
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its regular season ratings well SODA's hockey and baseball. So
we've talked about this on the show Life. We've become
an event nation with all the distractions, a very polarizing
political world. Trump, Biden, it doesn't matter. It's a very
polarizing world we live in. Biden was polarizing, Trump's polarize.
So you're just losing people. But you know when you
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don't lose him when the games matter, World Cup, Olympics,
NFL Sunday, college football, and these playoff games. I think
Ant has a chance to be the face of the league.
Most of the faces of the league, if not initially,
eventually got a great coach. Took Michael a fewd to
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get Phil. I do think Chris Finch has a low
profile because he has no interest being, you know, front
and center. But right now they're out coaching JJ Reddick,
who I like, but they are throwing so many different
lineups and so many different looks. Finch within the league
is very highly regarded, so it's not always your first coach,
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and it's not always the highest profile coach. Lebron's a
little bit of an outlier where he's had multiple coaches.
But most of the time, you get a Magic and
a pat Riley, you get a Michael and a Phil Jackson,
you get a Staff and a Steve Kerr. There's like
a legendary coach. This is the same with quarterbacks. Marino
has a Shoela, Elway has got a Shanahan, Brady's got
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a Belichick, Mahomes has an Andy Reid, Breeze has a
Sean Payton most of the time. Eventually, you need that
great coach to really understand you, to elevate you, to
surround you with the right people. So I think Ant
has a shot to be the face of the league.
Knocking the Lakers out will not hurt, and it looks
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like they will.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Jmck with a.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
News this is the herd Line news and the other thing.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Jmack to throw this out there, I'd argue it's a
better plan of action to not have a face of
the league, arguably because when MJ left for eight years,
the ratings fell off. When Shaq and Kobe broke up,
the ratings. I mean, let's be honest, Hollywood now is
depending every year on a Tom Cruise movie in Minecraft.
That's what the industry has got. I mean they're literally
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or a Christopher Nolan movie Sinners.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Come on, that's popping it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's supposed to be great. That's supposed to be great.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, all right, let's get started with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Colin. They kind of had a good draft pick, I
guess in Tyler Booker twelfth.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Overall, he made a great impression going on the Micah
Parsons podcast.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Very impressive stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Jerry Jones introduced the first round pick to the media
and made a lofty comparison.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Listening to Tyler, I'm reminded that, uh, I don't know
that we ever see a Super Bowl that I would
have a chance to be a part of if it
weren't for Michael Urban and Michael we know the competitor,
we know of the challenger, and we know the spirit.
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But part of Michael Irvin that was most impressive because
he was the leader.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna compare a guard
to Michael Irvin. I think I think Aikman also had
to say in this you know what's interesting, there's a
guy you know and Warren Sharp. Yes, So Warren Sharp
is if you really he comes out with a book
every year and it's like an LA phone book. I mean,
if you love it's like Phil Steele, you got to
love football to love it. But it's super I get it,
Warren Warren Sharp, Yeah, I get it too, and I
go through it. Warren Sharp points out that there are
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some analytics on Tyler Booker the Cowboys that that predict
he's going to struggle. But there is something I think
what Jerry's saying is there are players that are cert
at a certain level, are passionate, and there they sort
of galvanize the team. They're kind of front and center
off the bus, and I do think Booker has that quality.
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But there are there are some analytics if you look
at his length and you look at some stats that
tell you it may have been a reach. So I
don't totally disagree with you. I will take it a
different direction. So we know Jerry Jones's old school. He's
very much like the current president. When they watch TV
and hear stuff being said about them, they kind of respond.
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Michael Irvin was on this show, you remember on Friday.
Michael Irvin was not raving about what the Cowboys did.
I think this was an olive brinch. Hey, Mike, I
know you didn't love the Booker pick. I know you
don't love the direction, and we need.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Other stuff, but man, we got a guy who's a leader.
I think this is Jerry trying to win back over
one of his favorite all time players, not that he
lost him, but I think a lot of Cowboys fans
were kind of scratching their head. Colin with an interior
lineman Top fifteen when there are needs at wide receiver
and all over the defense.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, I mean, listen. I didn't like the Miami Dolphins draft.
I thought the Niners draft was weird. And I haven't
in recent years been impressed with the Cowboy drafts.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I just haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I tend to like the drafts of the gms who
I think are brilliant, Howie Roseman, John Snyder in Seattle,
Brett Veach in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think being in Buffalo is really really good. I
don't want to there's about.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, Jason Light in Tampa seems to me always
gets good players. Dallas has been weird where I look
at a lot of their draft picks and I always
feel like, yeah, I don't remember him from college where
I watched the Seahawks draft picks. I'm like, I watched
all of those guys in big games and they were
all productive, and so we'll see. I'm not gonna hand
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out grades. I just don't really know, but I have
felt in recent years with Dallas picks that they've been
pretty good on their first pick and then it's just
a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I have a feeling by Halloween we're gonna have to
revisit this because this could be like a five or
six win Cowboys team.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
You and I agree on that.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I don't think Booker's significantly moving the needle with that team,
all right.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Next up is Ben Johnson Colin. He's in the early.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Stages of reshaping the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Now this is interest.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Following the draft, Johnson spoke to the media saying he
doesn't know for sure what players will be in what
spot because everyone has to earn their spot.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
The moment the players got back in the building, call
it three weeks ago. Now, it was going to be
in competitive environment.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
There is no depth chart right now.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
If you want to play, you got to go earn it.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
If you want a role, you got to go earn it.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
They know that, so we were very straightforward and honest
with them when they came into the building. I think
all we did this weekend was we might have just
turned up the notch just a couple of dials for
certain people in the building. So that's a good thing.
That's a healthy thing. That's where you bring out the
best not only in your team, but in each individual.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I had said this before Caleb got picked. I said,
I really worry about Chicago. They just don't do quarterback well.
Years ago, when I lived in Connecticut, there was a
private boys school. It's called Avon Old Farms, and I
I knew parents who sent their sons there, and they
always said they do boys well, like they get boys
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at eighteen nineteen get into trouble like the Bears don't
do quarterback well, and they never have.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's always been a defensive culture. This is the.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
First time in my life, and I've been watching football since,
you know, early mid seventies. I can remember watching in
a black and white TV Washington Miami George Allen against
Miami in the Super Bowl nineteen seventy two. Miami won
at fourteen seven, I think, so first time I've looked
at the Chicago Bears and thought, oh, this is an
offensive franchise. You got to give them credit. Remember a
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few years ago Miami did this when they had Brian
Floor as the defensive coach and he was alienating to
and they said, Okay, we're gonna go, We're gonna pivot
to an offensive franchise. Tyreek Hill, Mike McDaniel. I honestly
think that's harder than people think. The Steelers can't do this.
They've been struggling with this for a decade. I think
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the Bears have done something that is very difficult when
you been your best, when you've been dominant defensively in
a Midwest town. The Bears have clearly is a franchise
pivot to do guys. We're spending money on offensive guys.
This is what the Steeler should have done seven years
ago and can't. It's what the Bears are doing. And
I think it's a playoff roster.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, listen, I would agree with that. The playoff is
the roster is playoff worthy. The schedule is brutal. But
to Ben Johnson's point, Colin, I look at this depth
chart and I think he was talking about two guys
about hey, nothing's given.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I think Cole Comett is won at tight end.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I know they liked him, he was good, but there's
a reason they drafted Colson Loveland tenth overall. And I
think the other guy to watch is DJ Moore. He
had some moments last year. I'm sure you remember where
he didn't seem thrilled with the quarterback. And I look
at that drafting of Luther Burden, that dude is a
dog he is very good fast.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I think I would keep an eye on DJ Moore
and Cole Comet.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm not saying they're losing their jobs or anything, but
I don't think anything's given. They're gonna have to work
for it. It's not like, hey, you're the incumbent, You're
a lot. So I'm Chicago's gonna be super interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Obviously. Final story, Colin is the NBA.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
And listen, you knew this was coming if you've been
watching this show, We've been talking about it for a while.
Yanni's and the Bucks are in trouble. They are facing
elimination in Game five tonight. I cannot believe the Pacers
are only eight point favorites.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
It feels like free money.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
No Dame Lillard, you know the Bucks are shook when
everybody's favorite guy, Dame Lillard goes down with the Achilles. Well,
how about this. Brian Winhorst, who you.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
And I know well, believes the entire NBA.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Offseason will hinge on Giannis, whether he stays or asks
out of Milwaukee. That a couple of weeks ago, it
was Vin Durant. Now it's Yannis your thought.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, So first of all, everybody's gonna freak out in Milwaukee.
A lot of teams. The Sacramento Kings, remember that never
got a ring.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You got a ring.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, now you didn't get two to three, but you
got a trophy. The Denver Nuggets swiping Joker got a trophy.
So you drafted him, you developed him, you got a trophy.
We've been on this for three years. You're old, You're
not built, You're you're just too old. I my take
is everybody's going to freak out. But if you do
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good GMing, you will be set up for a decade.
If you go back in the mid seventies, I remember
this when Kareem gets traded to the Lakers. Milwaukee got
really good players. Now they never won a title, but
they were viable for a decade. They had good teams.
They were believe we didn't have the internet. They were
on Sports Illustrated all the time. They were I mean,
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you talked about the Milwaukee Bucks for about a decade.
You could get four firsts. You could get multiple players,
one maybe an All Star. Because remember, Giannis is the
kind of guy where teams will fight over him. Yeah, okay,
look at what Rudy Gobar got. Okay, so this idea
that Milwaukee's sunk. No, Milwaukee, you're not a viable trophy team.
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You could be a viable trophy team with the right trade.
I mean, good God, if the Mavericks would have gotten
three first ad and Austin Reeves, you'd feel the different
about that today.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And so it's yeah, Colin, I'm sure there's Bucks fans
out there who are like, no, we're not trading. Honest, guys,
they have zero first round picks for I believe the
next four drafts, so you can't build through the draft.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
They are in salary cap.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Hell, they have no nobody on their roster, Colin, anybody wants.
Can you believe they have Kyle Kuzma. He is so
awful in this series. Bucks fans are out on him.
Brook Lopez is what like thirty seven. There's literally nobody
on the roster anybody wants. So there is no path
to rebuilding with Yannis. You have to say, Yannis, we
can quietly trade you. If you ask out, the market shrinks.
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But like right now, you know the Orlando Magic could
make a play for Yannis and say we're going to
go all in for two years. Like that could happen.
Remember Paul George when he asked out of Indy, he
went to Oklahoma City. They took a chance. It didn't
quite work out, but like I can see Giannis going
to another small market for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's possible.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Look at look at what.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
McHale Bridges got. McHale Bridges got five first round picks.
So because the draft is so wonky in college basketball
and NBA now, but I mean you could set yourself up.
I mean you go back. This is what Danny Ainge
has done multiple times, Like in Utah, he's just will file.
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Oklahoma City did the Sam Presty. Now, Presty got lucky
because as they were building, like Danny Age and the Celtics,
they were actually good. Presty's that good. Danny Ainge is
that good. But this will come down to good GMing.
You could easily get four to five first round picks
and like two McHale Bridges level players and then another
borderline all star. I think you got to look at Houston.
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I think you could get five first round picks in
a Jalen Green, Amen Thompson. I mean you think that
sounds like too much, go look at Rudyer Bear and
Michale Bridges and there by the way, there wasn't a
tug of war over Rudy Gobert, I mean Yannis. There
could be seven to ten teams in the league that
fight over Yannis.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Houston could have used Jannis last night down the stretch
against Dog Golden State.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Hunh.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
They didn't have a go to guy. And I know
Green really struggled in that game. But that's a young
guy up and down. But Joanna's fascinating all off season.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Jmck with the news.
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So the Niners paid George Kittle. It's a big contract.
George Kittle is very good. He's thirty one, he's been
banged up, but he mostly plays every Sunday. So but
but I do believe they have to pay George Kittle.
So I was thinking about this. I've said before the
Niners missing a lot of draft picks. Shanahan, in my
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opinion from what I've been told, kind of controls the draft.
I didn't love their draft this weekend. I thought the
weird picks. But the Niners are sort of the opposite
of the Chiefs and the Rams. The Chiefs walked away
from Tyreek Hill, a Sneed, the very talented corner d Ford,
Tarvarius war Joe Tooney. They walked away from Jujus ms
(33:04):
Schuster say what you want was their number one receiver
in the playoffs. They walked away from him. Why Mahomes,
the Rams walk away the minute. Cooper Cup ages by
Trent Williams has been aging for years, so is Christian McCaffrey.
They're not letting them go. Todd Gurley led the league.
I think in touchdowns back to back years started aging.
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Mcveigh's like, get him out of here because he trusted
Golf and Kansas City trusts. Mahomes is the Niners, they're
the opposite. They pay almost everybody, even when they lose.
Guys like the safety Hufunga. They wanted to pay him,
they couldn't make it work. But I was looking this
morning at the notable Niner contracts. They're top of the
market for all of them. Christian McCaffrey positional money rank second,
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George Kittle first, Trent Williams first, Fred Warner second, Nick
Bosa top five, Brandon Iuke top seven. Is a receiver.
And my take is why because of brock Purty, Dallas
does this. They'll pay Mike at top of the market.
They'll pay Cedee Lamb talk of the mark, top of
the market. Whatever you think about a quarterback, teams are
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not going to come out and tell you what you
want to hear. Guys like me want to hear the
Niners be honest about purty.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
They're not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
But what they decide to move off of or resign,
I mean, San France just goes old. Why are the
Rams so young? Because they trust mcvah and Stafford. They
move off Jalen Ramsey, a girly, a cup, They move
off good corners. They move off people all the time.
The minute you show age, you're out. Von Miller by Buffalo,
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you pay him, and I think a great head coach
and a truly great quarterback gives you so much freedom.
Rams don't pay anybody on defense.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Look it up.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They don't pay anybody. They're the opposite of the Steelers,
who pay everybody on defense.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Why they have to. They're not good at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But when you watch Brett Veach in Kansas City, he's
got Reding Mahomes. Chris Jones will pay, Kelsey will pay.
Those are Hall of Fame guys. But good guys, very
good guys.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
We'll move off.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I'm not knocking the Kittle contract. George deserves it. He
plays a physical brand of football, yet is available on
every Sunday. Look at Buffalo, they moved off Stefan Diggs,
Gabe Davis. No effect, absolutely no effect. And these are
all very good tight ends. But they have to pay
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Christian McCaffrey. They can't move off Trent Williams.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I mean they paid Deebo, they paid AYUK, they paid Kittle, Trent, Christian,
they pay everybody because they have to. So if you
like Purtty, so do I. But if you love him,
he's more dacked and the niners are telling you that
you don't have a choice. You have to pay CD Lamb.
(36:09):
So this story is actually now because it is a
little odd. I think nobody's quite sure how to cover it.
And I don't think there's any great valor in sticking
to an opinion if it's not the right opinion. I've
said on this show for years. I want to get
(36:29):
it right, not be right. And I have changed my
opinion on Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson's relationship. Yeah, the
age GAP's a little uncomfortable for people. They're two consenting adults.
But it's really interesting this interview on CBS. So Bill's
now got his hands on spygate, deflate gate, and interview gate.
(36:51):
He's got more gates than O'Hair. Here's the interview Sunday
that really changed my mind on how I view his
young twenty.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Four year old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You have Jordan thread over there.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
They've got an opinion about your private life.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
He's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested
in it.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Never been too worried about what everybody else thanks, just
to try to do what I feel like is be'st
for me and what's right?
Speaker 3 (37:22):
How did you guys meet? Not talking about this? No, no,
okay like that to me. She's not arm candy.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
She's a real protective pr director, social influencer.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Bill didn't need that in the NFL. Nobody needs that
in the NFL. You need it in college. Who was
trending last night? In America?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Bill Belichick? When the Rockets and Warriors are playing, Yeah,
that matters. Eighteen year old draw on their phone all day.
Dad's mostly not in the NFL. You choose the players
in college, they choose you. And the truth is Carolina
can go toe to toe with Ohio State and Oregon
in Georgia for nil in Texas, so they need influence,
(38:06):
they need to be connected to young people and listen,
she is a bridge and it works. And when I
saw her not only protect him. I've been in the
rooms like that and heard PR people say that if
you do an interview with sixty minutes and you're a president,
you got about four of those and they often stop
the interview. We're not asking that. That's what a real
PR director does. So yeah, the age thing, I get.
(38:29):
It's uncomfortable. My wife doesn't like it like I get it,
and I didn't like it either. But when I watched that,
I was like, Okay, that's exactly I've seen that. That's
a professional. And yes, they both have something to gain
in the relationship. You know, folks, a lot of people
that are dating have something to gain in the relationship.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
That's sort of.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
The way it works. You know, you find her super attractive,
she finds you to be funny. You know, she needs
to be funnier and have more fun. You provide it, right,
like she he's a social magnet, a butterfly.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You're benefiting from it, like everybody's benefiting from something. And
so I look at this whole thing now and I
just I see it differently. Yeah, she's attractive, okay, whatever,
she's feisty, she's protecting him, she's a social bridge. She
obviously gets the entire currency of stuff that I don't like,
Like Bill seventy. I mean, this is a guy that
(39:26):
famously called it snap Graham and in the chat like now,
I think he was going over the top and had
an idea what it was called. But I'm not. I'm
not worried as much about being right as getting it right.
And I flipped my opinion on this. There was a moment.
Haven't you all done this in your life where you
don't believe in something, you don't believe in something I
don't believe in.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I don't believe in UFOs.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think they're either a technology that China's ahead of us,
or I think there are government hiding something, or I
think there are planes and you've had too many cocktails.
I don't believe in UFOs. But landed next to my
house here in Chicago and Little Green Men popped out,
I'd have a different take on tomorrow show, Like I'm
willing to learn stuff, and so yeah, the minute I
(40:11):
see something, I'm not a big believer in ghosts.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I think there's spirits.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But again, if I was at a hotel, I woke
up in the middle of the night and somebody's talking
to me in a robe, sitting at the edge of
the bed, I gotta be honest. New opinion. I'm hoping
it doesn't happen. But the whole thing kind of works
for me. Now Bill's the star of the show. She's
protecting and assisting him. It's okay. For the record, every
(40:38):
coach in college football has this kind of assistant.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
They're not dating them necessarily, but they.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
All have this.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Everybody's got this.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You're not getting Ryan Day for an interview without an
SID sitting next to you.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's not working.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
They're not Ohio States, Hey, Ryan, go on.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
The local show.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's not the way it works.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So JA I know, Jmack, you still are struggling with
the age gap.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I understand that I can't hear you, Jmack. For some reason,
I can't hear you.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think it's very cool that Bill Belichick is dating
a twenty five year old. The problem is she's starting
to get increasingly involved in unc business interviews.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
That is not great, But I like what you said
at the outset. This is tough to like cover. I
don't know how to talk about this situation. It's just
this is new ground. Like when was the last time
you discussed a coach dating someone fifty years younger than him.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yes, it's different, there's a you know it's again. When
Bill went to Carolina, my takeaway was he's gonna have
no time for the bureaucracy of the NCAA or the
bureaucracy of a college campus. Where can you come watch
the volleyball match?
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